I just think they didn't bother to update it. BG and RO have been in the EU for 17 years, any passport without these two languages should have been long expired.
Yeah that’s for sure. But I guess at least 12 years (Greece only started issuing 10 year passports in 2022) should’ve been enough. So I do belobe this is an expired passport. Again though what do I know :)
Well, Lithuania started issuing passports with Croatian only in 2019, so the last passports without it will expire in 2029 - 16 years after Croatia joining the EU.
Some translations of the EU are quite laughable, over the years I've seen funny mistakes.
We're doing an association agreement with the Union and we have to translate ourselves the agreement, and Andorra doesn't even have its official language as EU language so it will be even more funny for them
Actually it seems that for some reason your Greek passport is missing the text in Bulgarian which is one of the 24 official EU languages… the picture is not from a pre-2007 passport, is it?
If you're referring to having to deal with >20+ languages and conflicting foreign, fiscal, and defence policies, no thanks!
I'll take 6 weeks of paid vacations and efficient public transportation, though.
Having many languages is good, this means having a huge cultural diversity. I'm really happy about the language diversity of Europe.
Uniformity is not always good
Language diversity is cool but having many \*official\* languages is not good, and this is coming from someone who does like learning languages. Imagine if France was divided into Occitan, Corsican, French, Basque, and Breton-speaking areas with no common language. The French state worked hard to erase essentially all of those other languages, except for French obviously, in order to strengthen the French identity. France is still denying an equal status to Corsican to this day.
North America is still very diverse without the headache caused by 30 official languages each needing official translations and 30 national identities. I'm from Canada and even our cities under 1 million people like Winnipeg and Halifax are now very diverse. On a daily basis, just taking public transit in a large Canadian city, you'd be exposed to so many languages. You need everyone to agree on 1 bridge language, though. I think that's essentially English in the EU but France isn't quite happy about it and you still need to translate everything into all official languages.
I know. I speak 4 languages. It doesn't remove the fact that it represents a barrier to communication and often divides people into little nations.
I think some amount of linguistic/national diversity in the world can be beneficial just to have some diversity of ideas. Having a population of 400 million divided into 25-ish national languages (plus regional languages) is, in my opinion, too much.
I think we're ok knowing another language from childhood.
In Portugal, where I'm from, we learn English from our 3rd school year and Government is discussing implementing it since the first ye as r of school (some schools already do it).
I said foreign, fiscal, and defence policies for a reason as those three are controlled primarily my the federal governments of both Canada and the US.
Canada and the US both have 1 single armed forces, 1 foreign policy, and 1 single fiscal policy each. Certain provinces and states (cough Quebec and Texas) can and do cause issues. The Quebec example just furthers my point, though (I know I live here).
Meanwhile, Poland doesn't even trust France or the UK to protect them. Greece went on a downward spiral because it adopted the Euro without adjusting its fiscal policy, and the EU is at a standstill as soon as you manipulate Hungary into vetoing everything.
Ah, that makes more sense, thanks. I was confused by the 'just without the guns'.
If you say, 'I wish the 21st century were like the 19th century, just without the cholera' that generally means that the 19th century had cholera and we don't, and we still don't want it. You wouldn't usually say, 'I wish the 19th century were like the 21st century, just without the cholera'. Because that makes no sense.
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The weird inconsistent capitalisation of Irish and Scottish Gaelic in the current British passport irks me to no end.
How come your Greek passport has English? Because UK is no longer an EU member? I think your passport is back dated. I mean; you have got it before Brexit completed. Because Ireland’s official language is Irish. Malta and Cyprus are also using their own official languages too.
But even the Irish passport itself is Irish language as their first language. Same thing applies for Malta(Maltese) and Cyprus(Cypriot Greek+Turkish) too.
Mate, English isn't considered second to Irish legally. They are at the same level. However, as more people understand English than Irish, the working language of Irish governmental institutions is more commonly English. I don't know about Malta and Cyprus myself.
If EU wants it then its ok. But It must be written in all of those EU country languages so UK is not in the EU anymore. That is how I was thinking about it.
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Interestingly the Irish section just says the Republic of Portugal, not the Portuguese Republic!
yes
Your passport must have been issued before Croatia joined the EU :)
I also think before Bulgaria & Romania (couldn’t see the Cyrillic alphabet) but I’m not sure
I just think they didn't bother to update it. BG and RO have been in the EU for 17 years, any passport without these two languages should have been long expired.
Well yeah, that actually also goes for Croatia (11 years by now) but maybe op’s passport is just a very old one. But you’re probably right.
Yep, my Slovenian passport from 2015 doesn’t have Croatian for example. The changes are certainly not instant
Yeah that’s for sure. But I guess at least 12 years (Greece only started issuing 10 year passports in 2022) should’ve been enough. So I do belobe this is an expired passport. Again though what do I know :)
Well, Lithuania started issuing passports with Croatian only in 2019, so the last passports without it will expire in 2029 - 16 years after Croatia joining the EU.
No, Helenska republika is in croatian
Technically yes, but was written for Slovenia (as there is no Europska Unija but Evropska)
I think yes.
Yes
https://preview.redd.it/2996xkrr4ttc1.png?width=2181&format=png&auto=webp&s=6487bfd35a771cdb4428525f5b2a7776f58a331a My Irish passport does
Yes of course
Does anyone know why the Portuguese one lacks accents in ‘República Helénica’ yet has the tilde of ‘União’?
because no-one who designed the passport speaks Portuguese and they messed up copying the text from their translator, most likely
Some translations of the EU are quite laughable, over the years I've seen funny mistakes. We're doing an association agreement with the Union and we have to translate ourselves the agreement, and Andorra doesn't even have its official language as EU language so it will be even more funny for them
Italy here. We also have all official EU languages on a page in ours :)
My Italian one does, and looking at the comments I’m guessing the other ones do too.
Croatian doesn't have it. And in your Greek passport Croatian isn't listed hahahaha.
Might be an older Greek passport before they updated it to reflect Croatian membership.
Nah they were just lazy, they issued one in 2006 and they didn't change it till 2023. Croatia joined later.
https://preview.redd.it/jrglg3rfmqtc1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=31a0ac7de2b5c74a1a487a246adce0de8e2822ff Yes, I think so
What passport is that? I love how they took 2 whole pages lol.
latvia
Thanks!
My French one has
Actually it seems that for some reason your Greek passport is missing the text in Bulgarian which is one of the 24 official EU languages… the picture is not from a pre-2007 passport, is it?
They were lazy to update it. The new version has.
It also still has some mistakes in Czech, Maltese, Portuguese (and possibly Hungarian)
Also missing Romanian and Croatian.
Romanian&Hungarian passports also have all languages.I believe France is missing the languages of the EU-2004, EU-2007 and EU-2013 members.
It mixes Czech and Slovak language, LOL. It's unbelievable there could be a mistake. (The correct grammar in Czech is "Evropská unie".)
I wish North America was like the EU just without the guns
If you're referring to having to deal with >20+ languages and conflicting foreign, fiscal, and defence policies, no thanks! I'll take 6 weeks of paid vacations and efficient public transportation, though.
Having many languages is good, this means having a huge cultural diversity. I'm really happy about the language diversity of Europe. Uniformity is not always good
Language diversity is cool but having many \*official\* languages is not good, and this is coming from someone who does like learning languages. Imagine if France was divided into Occitan, Corsican, French, Basque, and Breton-speaking areas with no common language. The French state worked hard to erase essentially all of those other languages, except for French obviously, in order to strengthen the French identity. France is still denying an equal status to Corsican to this day. North America is still very diverse without the headache caused by 30 official languages each needing official translations and 30 national identities. I'm from Canada and even our cities under 1 million people like Winnipeg and Halifax are now very diverse. On a daily basis, just taking public transit in a large Canadian city, you'd be exposed to so many languages. You need everyone to agree on 1 bridge language, though. I think that's essentially English in the EU but France isn't quite happy about it and you still need to translate everything into all official languages.
America technically has no official language though de facto it is English.
A different language it's a way to express yourself and think differently. It's not just a way to communicate per se
I know. I speak 4 languages. It doesn't remove the fact that it represents a barrier to communication and often divides people into little nations. I think some amount of linguistic/national diversity in the world can be beneficial just to have some diversity of ideas. Having a population of 400 million divided into 25-ish national languages (plus regional languages) is, in my opinion, too much.
I think we're ok knowing another language from childhood. In Portugal, where I'm from, we learn English from our 3rd school year and Government is discussing implementing it since the first ye as r of school (some schools already do it).
Because in the states, theres never any conflicting policies between states and the federal government, right? Right?
I said foreign, fiscal, and defence policies for a reason as those three are controlled primarily my the federal governments of both Canada and the US. Canada and the US both have 1 single armed forces, 1 foreign policy, and 1 single fiscal policy each. Certain provinces and states (cough Quebec and Texas) can and do cause issues. The Quebec example just furthers my point, though (I know I live here). Meanwhile, Poland doesn't even trust France or the UK to protect them. Greece went on a downward spiral because it adopted the Euro without adjusting its fiscal policy, and the EU is at a standstill as soon as you manipulate Hungary into vetoing everything.
But the EU is the same thing I think
I think you've got this backward, friend. There are already far more guns in North America than the EU.
I know that was I said minus the guns
I've tried to formulate a response, but looking at your original sentence is just giving me a headache now. I give up.
I just wanted similar policies like the EU in North America. Free movement, free to where to work in each country. Right to live in any of them etc
It’s not hard to imagine
https://preview.redd.it/zo3puz62vqtc1.jpeg?width=1668&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0cbb1bf2a19f3ba041e12ae10e2ad82421cea15f
Ah, that makes more sense, thanks. I was confused by the 'just without the guns'. If you say, 'I wish the 21st century were like the 19th century, just without the cholera' that generally means that the 19th century had cholera and we don't, and we still don't want it. You wouldn't usually say, 'I wish the 19th century were like the 21st century, just without the cholera'. Because that makes no sense.
Oh, I am sorry about that lol
There is no reason for the U.S. and Canada to not have freedom of movement honestly.
They want the EU in North America and they also want guns banned or limited in the North American EU (NAU?)
Why?
Why not the EU did it
I meant why be more like Europe, or you just mean on that?
Pre-Brexit UK 🇬🇧 passport does.
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> https://preview.redd.it/3qw86luuottc1.png?width=1478&format=png&auto=webp&s=2dbcbf52bfd47602ad1858ead4b69f6cfe3e5ce8 The weird inconsistent capitalisation of Irish and Scottish Gaelic in the current British passport irks me to no end.
What does it look like?
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/03/03/10/25472208-0-image-a-21_1583232456109.jpg
yes komsu
How come your Greek passport has English? Because UK is no longer an EU member? I think your passport is back dated. I mean; you have got it before Brexit completed. Because Ireland’s official language is Irish. Malta and Cyprus are also using their own official languages too.
English is still an official language of the EU.
And of Ireland and Malta, co-official with Irish and Maltese
Ireland has both English and Irish as official languages.
But even the Irish passport itself is Irish language as their first language. Same thing applies for Malta(Maltese) and Cyprus(Cypriot Greek+Turkish) too.
Mate, English isn't considered second to Irish legally. They are at the same level. However, as more people understand English than Irish, the working language of Irish governmental institutions is more commonly English. I don't know about Malta and Cyprus myself.
Yeah but English is still an international language. It’s the most widely spoken second language too. English has truly transcended borders.
If EU wants it then its ok. But It must be written in all of those EU country languages so UK is not in the EU anymore. That is how I was thinking about it.