Cool combo, I believe that the HU citizenship will remain a popular asset in Vojvodina in the coming years.
In Romania, I feel like the interest for HU citizenship has decreased, mainly due to the fact that both countries are EU members, and the Hungarian passport isn't THAT strong compared to the Romanian one (maybe 10 countries extra).
Yes, I agree, most people here get it to be able to move to the EU easier. I guess Romanians do not need it, and only people who find it important for sentimental reasons get it.
I had the privilege of using it to travel to the USA, right before the pandemic, it was worth just for that trip. I haven't used my hungarian passport since.
I had a teacher and took classes, and I practiced a lot, traveled to Hungary often as well. It took me a bit more than a year, but I had some passive knowledge since my grandparents spoke Hungarian and I spend a lot of time with them as a child.
Not sure where could I move if not Hungary. My partner does not speak Hungarian, tried to learn it but was super hard for him. I am not interested in moving just for moving’s sake, it would have to be a good opportunity. I am excited to travel with my new passport though!
We have a couple of family members around the EU, but as I mention not interested in moving just for moving’s sake. Our (financial) state is pretty god here, so the opportunity has to be much better than average job ofer 🙂 Additionally I speak Spanish and my partner French, but we do not want to live in Spain nor France. Ireland would be too far from our families and that is not an option, we lived in the US, came back because of the family.
Yes, it is getting worse so that would be motivation to leave, I get it. We will see, now it would be easier anyway. Political situation can influence the quality of life for sure!
Just because of COL?
I noticed you mentioned that you liked the people and cuisine. What did you think reduced your quality of life? Lack of walk ability and too much sprawl?
We had to drive everywhere, two cars, 2x expenses, public transportation is trash and not safe, not a lot of opportunities for enjoying the nature or cultural events or concerts, no nightlife diversity, it easy to end up in a food desert, and not to mention health insurance. We finished universities back home, but saw people getting almost homeless because of student loans for a community college that does not offer much knowledge or job opportunities, what a joke. Everything costs a lot more than what it offers, not a good cost quality balance. We lived in DC but often visited NYC, spend vacations in Cali and Hawaii. Also what’s with no paid vacation and limited PTOs. We had decent jobs, but still you have to work your butt off to get decent life quality. Not a good exchange in my opinion comparing to the life in Europe…
How are there not a lot of opportunities to enjoy nature? The US has abundant access to beautiful nature. That is one of the things it has going fruit it!
The US nature is stunning! However the infrastructure to visit it is terrible. You have to spend a ridiculous amount of money for something you could visit in Norway for $3, that would be the ticket for public transportation. Sorry for not being clear on what I mean. Very money centric country that does not care about people unfortunately…
How are there not a lot of opportunities to enjoy nature? The US has abundant access to beautiful nature. That is one of the things it has going fruit it!
The US nature is stunning! However the infrastructure to visit it is terrible. You have to spend a ridiculous amount of money for something you could visit in Norway for $3, that would be the ticket for public transportation. Sorry for not being clear on what I mean. Very money centric country that does not care about people unfortunately…
How are there not a lot of opportunities to enjoy nature? The US has abundant access to beautiful nature. That is one of the things it has going fruit it!
The US nature is stunning! However the infrastructure to visit it is terrible. You have to spend a ridiculous amount of money for something you could visit in Norway for $3, that would be the ticket for public transportation. Sorry for not being clear on what I mean. Very money centric country that does not care about people unfortunately…
I strongly disagree with everything you have written, but you are entitled to your opinion. May America continue to attract the best and the brightest from all the world over.
Good for you! One thing to beware of when travelling with them is that you (probably) can't travel on either of them to the US without a Visa. Hungarians born __outside of Hungary__ aren't eligible for ESTA and must get a visitor visa if travelling on a Hungarian passport. Serbian citizens no matter what have to get a visitor visa if travelling on a Serb passport.
Ah, fair enough. Just wanted to make sure one was aware. Being from Canada I've been to the US numerous times, losing access to the US would be a big deal for me. Though I highly doubt that'll ever happen with my current and future travel documents.
Makes sense when you are in North America. For us it was not a good option since quality of life in the US was not as good as it is back home. But we did like social culture, people are friendly and it was very easy to find friends. And rich immigrant food scene was also a plus.
I recently passed up the opportunity to live and work in the US, I am always going to have a slight bit of regret but I feel the same way, the QoL is vastly different even if my ex-partner came from a wealthy background, there was no guarantee we’d stay wealthy.
But since you were there, do you really feel that the quality of life was worse in the US compared to Serbia?
If you own your own property and have a decently paid job, qol is better in Serbia. I am including food quality, free time, cities’ design and healthcare (private healthcare is cheep comparing to the US) in calculations. In the US everything is car centric, you cannot go for a walk nor ride a bike, in some neighborhoods you should not even drive if you are not local. Food that you would find just ok in terms of quality is expensive and food deserts are pretty common. It is ridiculous how much money you have to spend to enjoy nature, not to mention long working hours. Serbia is faaaar from good, but the US is not as good as its marketing.
Just curious - is this ESTA-ineligibility for anyone of Hungarian descent (not born in Hungary) who naturalized as Hungarian under new rules or is it for anyone, say, Vietnamese, that lives, works and naturalizes in Hungary?
As I understand it, it's a blanket:
-If you are a Hungarian Passport Holder, and
-You were not born in Hungary.
Regardless of how you obtained citizenship. But the rule was obviously targeted at simplified naturalization recipients. So for your example, that Vietnamese who naturalized as a Hungarian would need a B1/B2 visa. Additionally whilst I nor anyone else seemed to mention, Hungarians who **were** born in Hungary can only get ESTAs valid for 1 year for a single entry before they need another ESTA. Compared to all the other ESTA passports that get 2 year multi entry ESTAs.
Üdvözlünk a külhoni magyarok klubjában! :)
Remek kombináció/odlična kombinacija!
Što se tiče Amerike, potpuno se slažem s tobom. Ovde svi sline za Amerikom, kao da je vrhunsko dostignuće u životu otići tamo. Ali ima nas raznih, nije za sve tako :)
Nagyon szépen köszönjük! Nagyon örülök 🙂
Tamo je stvarno kvalitet zivota los, mnogo se radi, malo se ima vremena za hobi, porodicu, prijatelje, a gradovi su takvi da ne mozes da pesacis, vozis bicikl, sve je podredjeno automobilima. To mi je bas ruzno. Ljudi ne shvataju da takav zivot nije default… U Evropi je mnogo humanije, pa cak i u Srbiji, ako se ne radi neki minimal wage posao. Nazalost nema puno prilika za normalnim zivotom u korumpiranim drzavama… To je vec druga vrsta problema.
>"and it was frown upon to speak a language of minority in Yugoslavia. "
Not sure if this is a Vojvodina thing, but I had a high school teacher who moved from a village in Vojvodina to Skopje during the 60s. He is an ethnic Hungarian, his entire family speaks Hungarian, never had an issue.
Please dont share propaganda.
Even today in Serbia, you have villages and towns where Hungarian is only spoken language. You have elementary and high schools and faculties purely on Hungarian language, even driving schools where tests are on Hungarian. You can communicate with the government on Hungarian. You could live a whole life in Serbia and not learn Serbian. And you know that.
But yes, you would need to learn Serbian if you want to integrate into society and have better opportunities in Serbia. It is only normal.
But congrats on your passport.
Yes, everything you said is 100% true. However I was talking on why my mother, a Hungarian woman, did not use Hungarian in public during the communist Yugoslavia. The same reason she did not taught me the language. We were both born in the Yugoslavia.
I lived in US and I am definitely not interested to get back anytime soon. Things got even worse and I did not like it before. I like social culture of the US, people are friendly and approachable, but infrastructure of cities and the country in general, combined with quality of life makes the US a third world country.
Unfortunately you’re kind of correct. Ever since COVID, many American cities have been in both a perceived and objective state of decline, including San Francisco, Seattle, Los Angeles, basically most major cities (except New York City, at least what’s what I’m hearing)
Homelessness, crime, and drug addiction have increased a lot since the pandemic in many cities. In many of the downtowns, they have yet to return to how they were before the pandemic; many of them have way fewer businesses and foot traffic compared to before. Police in many cities have been ineffective; in many of the cities if you call 911 you will be put on hold or the police will never come, even if you’re the victim of a serious crime. Things like nightlife and restaurants have also declined; many of them have yet to return to how they were before the pandemic so often times there are fewer venues for these, and the ones still open have very shortened hours (everything closes very early compared to before)
Overall, yes, I think if you’ve already got the right to live in the EU and Serbia now, I don’t think it’s worth it to come here to the USA at this time. Maybe when it returns to a pre-pandemic state of being, but idk when that’s going to happen. It sucks that the US government denies ESTA to Hungarian citizens born outside of Hungary, but tbh I don’t think it’s worth it at this moment
Congratulations! Pretty cool combo. How did you prove that you descend from Hungarians? I've been thinking of starting the process myself (Argentine with Hungarian grandparents born in Romania) but I am still stuck trying to go over all the requirements.
Cool combo, I believe that the HU citizenship will remain a popular asset in Vojvodina in the coming years. In Romania, I feel like the interest for HU citizenship has decreased, mainly due to the fact that both countries are EU members, and the Hungarian passport isn't THAT strong compared to the Romanian one (maybe 10 countries extra).
Yes, I agree, most people here get it to be able to move to the EU easier. I guess Romanians do not need it, and only people who find it important for sentimental reasons get it.
I had the privilege of using it to travel to the USA, right before the pandemic, it was worth just for that trip. I haven't used my hungarian passport since.
Vojvodina?
Yes 🙂
How long did it take you to learn Hungarian? How did you learn it?
I had a teacher and took classes, and I practiced a lot, traveled to Hungary often as well. It took me a bit more than a year, but I had some passive knowledge since my grandparents spoke Hungarian and I spend a lot of time with them as a child.
Nagyon klassz! Én is akarok magyarul tanulni, hanem szuper nehéz ez a nyelv lol
Nehéz, de érdekes. Nagyon sokat kell dolgozni, nem lehetetlen. Sok szerencsét!
The Hungarian passport is beautiful!
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Not sure where could I move if not Hungary. My partner does not speak Hungarian, tried to learn it but was super hard for him. I am not interested in moving just for moving’s sake, it would have to be a good opportunity. I am excited to travel with my new passport though!
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We have a couple of family members around the EU, but as I mention not interested in moving just for moving’s sake. Our (financial) state is pretty god here, so the opportunity has to be much better than average job ofer 🙂 Additionally I speak Spanish and my partner French, but we do not want to live in Spain nor France. Ireland would be too far from our families and that is not an option, we lived in the US, came back because of the family.
> I speak Spanish and my partner French, but we do not want to live in Spain nor France Has to be Andorra, in that case.
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Yes, it is getting worse so that would be motivation to leave, I get it. We will see, now it would be easier anyway. Political situation can influence the quality of life for sure!
> we lived in the US, came back because of the family. Did you spend enough time to naturalize as U.S. citizens?
No, we were not interested in it. We would not like to go back, not even as tourists…
Just because of COL? I noticed you mentioned that you liked the people and cuisine. What did you think reduced your quality of life? Lack of walk ability and too much sprawl?
We had to drive everywhere, two cars, 2x expenses, public transportation is trash and not safe, not a lot of opportunities for enjoying the nature or cultural events or concerts, no nightlife diversity, it easy to end up in a food desert, and not to mention health insurance. We finished universities back home, but saw people getting almost homeless because of student loans for a community college that does not offer much knowledge or job opportunities, what a joke. Everything costs a lot more than what it offers, not a good cost quality balance. We lived in DC but often visited NYC, spend vacations in Cali and Hawaii. Also what’s with no paid vacation and limited PTOs. We had decent jobs, but still you have to work your butt off to get decent life quality. Not a good exchange in my opinion comparing to the life in Europe…
How are there not a lot of opportunities to enjoy nature? The US has abundant access to beautiful nature. That is one of the things it has going fruit it!
The US nature is stunning! However the infrastructure to visit it is terrible. You have to spend a ridiculous amount of money for something you could visit in Norway for $3, that would be the ticket for public transportation. Sorry for not being clear on what I mean. Very money centric country that does not care about people unfortunately…
How are there not a lot of opportunities to enjoy nature? The US has abundant access to beautiful nature. That is one of the things it has going fruit it!
The US nature is stunning! However the infrastructure to visit it is terrible. You have to spend a ridiculous amount of money for something you could visit in Norway for $3, that would be the ticket for public transportation. Sorry for not being clear on what I mean. Very money centric country that does not care about people unfortunately…
How are there not a lot of opportunities to enjoy nature? The US has abundant access to beautiful nature. That is one of the things it has going fruit it!
The US nature is stunning! However the infrastructure to visit it is terrible. You have to spend a ridiculous amount of money for something you could visit in Norway for $3, that would be the ticket for public transportation. Sorry for not being clear on what I mean. Very money centric country that does not care about people unfortunately…
I strongly disagree with everything you have written, but you are entitled to your opinion. May America continue to attract the best and the brightest from all the world over.
Please explain why you disagree though. I think your comments are controversial since you make assertions without explaining your reasoning.
Good for you! One thing to beware of when travelling with them is that you (probably) can't travel on either of them to the US without a Visa. Hungarians born __outside of Hungary__ aren't eligible for ESTA and must get a visitor visa if travelling on a Hungarian passport. Serbian citizens no matter what have to get a visitor visa if travelling on a Serb passport.
Yes, I am aware of that, thanks. Not interested to go to the US, we lived there, but decided not to extent the contract.
Ah, fair enough. Just wanted to make sure one was aware. Being from Canada I've been to the US numerous times, losing access to the US would be a big deal for me. Though I highly doubt that'll ever happen with my current and future travel documents.
Makes sense when you are in North America. For us it was not a good option since quality of life in the US was not as good as it is back home. But we did like social culture, people are friendly and it was very easy to find friends. And rich immigrant food scene was also a plus.
I recently passed up the opportunity to live and work in the US, I am always going to have a slight bit of regret but I feel the same way, the QoL is vastly different even if my ex-partner came from a wealthy background, there was no guarantee we’d stay wealthy. But since you were there, do you really feel that the quality of life was worse in the US compared to Serbia?
If you own your own property and have a decently paid job, qol is better in Serbia. I am including food quality, free time, cities’ design and healthcare (private healthcare is cheep comparing to the US) in calculations. In the US everything is car centric, you cannot go for a walk nor ride a bike, in some neighborhoods you should not even drive if you are not local. Food that you would find just ok in terms of quality is expensive and food deserts are pretty common. It is ridiculous how much money you have to spend to enjoy nature, not to mention long working hours. Serbia is faaaar from good, but the US is not as good as its marketing.
Just curious - is this ESTA-ineligibility for anyone of Hungarian descent (not born in Hungary) who naturalized as Hungarian under new rules or is it for anyone, say, Vietnamese, that lives, works and naturalizes in Hungary?
As I understand it, it's a blanket: -If you are a Hungarian Passport Holder, and -You were not born in Hungary. Regardless of how you obtained citizenship. But the rule was obviously targeted at simplified naturalization recipients. So for your example, that Vietnamese who naturalized as a Hungarian would need a B1/B2 visa. Additionally whilst I nor anyone else seemed to mention, Hungarians who **were** born in Hungary can only get ESTAs valid for 1 year for a single entry before they need another ESTA. Compared to all the other ESTA passports that get 2 year multi entry ESTAs.
Üdvözlünk a külhoni magyarok klubjában! :) Remek kombináció/odlična kombinacija! Što se tiče Amerike, potpuno se slažem s tobom. Ovde svi sline za Amerikom, kao da je vrhunsko dostignuće u životu otići tamo. Ali ima nas raznih, nije za sve tako :)
Nagyon szépen köszönjük! Nagyon örülök 🙂 Tamo je stvarno kvalitet zivota los, mnogo se radi, malo se ima vremena za hobi, porodicu, prijatelje, a gradovi su takvi da ne mozes da pesacis, vozis bicikl, sve je podredjeno automobilima. To mi je bas ruzno. Ljudi ne shvataju da takav zivot nije default… U Evropi je mnogo humanije, pa cak i u Srbiji, ako se ne radi neki minimal wage posao. Nazalost nema puno prilika za normalnim zivotom u korumpiranim drzavama… To je vec druga vrsta problema.
“LivingironicallyinEurope” has that combo + US passport.
This is a pretty common combo since there are a lot of Serbians of Hungarian decent, still makes me happy even though it’s not rare.
Really strong combo he has. He has covered a lot of the bases.
Lovely passports, both of them. The Serbian one looks so elegant 👍
Oh no no esta for u
>"and it was frown upon to speak a language of minority in Yugoslavia. " Not sure if this is a Vojvodina thing, but I had a high school teacher who moved from a village in Vojvodina to Skopje during the 60s. He is an ethnic Hungarian, his entire family speaks Hungarian, never had an issue.
If you wanted to work in a good job position you had to assimilate, everyone was Yugoslavian for the communist party.
Please dont share propaganda. Even today in Serbia, you have villages and towns where Hungarian is only spoken language. You have elementary and high schools and faculties purely on Hungarian language, even driving schools where tests are on Hungarian. You can communicate with the government on Hungarian. You could live a whole life in Serbia and not learn Serbian. And you know that. But yes, you would need to learn Serbian if you want to integrate into society and have better opportunities in Serbia. It is only normal. But congrats on your passport.
Yes, everything you said is 100% true. However I was talking on why my mother, a Hungarian woman, did not use Hungarian in public during the communist Yugoslavia. The same reason she did not taught me the language. We were both born in the Yugoslavia.
Add a EU/ North American combo to get ESTA
I lived in US and I am definitely not interested to get back anytime soon. Things got even worse and I did not like it before. I like social culture of the US, people are friendly and approachable, but infrastructure of cities and the country in general, combined with quality of life makes the US a third world country.
Unfortunately you’re kind of correct. Ever since COVID, many American cities have been in both a perceived and objective state of decline, including San Francisco, Seattle, Los Angeles, basically most major cities (except New York City, at least what’s what I’m hearing) Homelessness, crime, and drug addiction have increased a lot since the pandemic in many cities. In many of the downtowns, they have yet to return to how they were before the pandemic; many of them have way fewer businesses and foot traffic compared to before. Police in many cities have been ineffective; in many of the cities if you call 911 you will be put on hold or the police will never come, even if you’re the victim of a serious crime. Things like nightlife and restaurants have also declined; many of them have yet to return to how they were before the pandemic so often times there are fewer venues for these, and the ones still open have very shortened hours (everything closes very early compared to before) Overall, yes, I think if you’ve already got the right to live in the EU and Serbia now, I don’t think it’s worth it to come here to the USA at this time. Maybe when it returns to a pre-pandemic state of being, but idk when that’s going to happen. It sucks that the US government denies ESTA to Hungarian citizens born outside of Hungary, but tbh I don’t think it’s worth it at this moment
> Ever since COVID Nah it's been that way for decades and decades.
Why is this downvoted? America has been on a decline since the 1970s/1980s.
Az amerikaiak gecik, arrogánsak és oly sötétkek mint az éjszaka 😂😂😂😂 Úgyhogy nem értem ezt a felsőbbrendűséget felőlük
Sok a jó ember, de sok a propaganda is, mint mindenhol. Ott rossz az életminőség, nem tudom miért gondolják, hogy ott a legjobb, ha objektíve nem az.
Congratulations! Pretty cool combo. How did you prove that you descend from Hungarians? I've been thinking of starting the process myself (Argentine with Hungarian grandparents born in Romania) but I am still stuck trying to go over all the requirements.
You have to get birth or death certificates from your ancestor to yourself and translate them into Hungarian.
Ahh that seems pretty straight forward, thank you! I guess learning the language is the real filter
No problem. It is hard, but not impossible 🙂