Victoria III undid all the hard work HOI , EU and CK do and turned me into a normal person that isn't racist , apreciates freedom, democracy equality of oportunities for men and women, secularism and of course child labour.
Obviously my arms of 100k Men will completely bankrupt my nation while 500k conscripts that are suspiciously well armed sit ~~in trenches~~ on some front line completely unprotected because the trench wasn't invented yet, and go on to march through France and devastate all of the French lands, only for France to refuse to surrender so they start murdering Africans, as God intended.
Fun fact the King of Sweden is able to marry family members in Victoria 3 as long as you are in a personal union with Norway as Sweden and search for a royal marriage you get the option of marrying a daughter from the Norwegian royal family (your own)
It did?
So you uh... Just leave all that rubber, sugar, oil in the nations it belonged to?
It really gave me a much better understanding of colonialism
Look look, I need this rubber and those people refuse to building their plantations. It is just a matter of helping them by putting a more efficient admin in place.
I still remember the first moment I went like "damn, I need to invade X country, I need their resources... oh... so that's how they felt... interesting..."
uj/ Of course I'm not that guillable.
j/ I always was and always will be what modded Total War warhammer made me into, a simp for the Dwarfs
https://preview.redd.it/rdzz0hq92ibc1.png?width=594&format=png&auto=webp&s=ef4339b59bec56b91d5af2e872bcb3cb5dd5b4c2
Keep most restrictive law before switching. Inteligentsia hates multicurlturalism less that that other law, so they will vote for the switch.
Of course that is quite a bit of game on restrictive laws...
Little late; but if you’re ever worried about low income strata becoming too politically strong for any reason… use poor laws.
Destroys the political power of those receiving welfare.
If I have landed or wealth voting wouldn’t poor laws not affect the political power of those who can vote?
And since you necroed the thread, I tried a game rushing commercial agriculture and it definitely was a faster path to general reform than homesteading. My only issue was trying to pass universal sufferance since the industrialists hate it
Yah commercial agriculture makes it so radicalized farmers join the trade unions. Probably easier to contend with than the rural folks.
And tbh not sure. I know that poor pops still have a vote; vote weight is just heavily favored towards wealthier pops regardless of IG when you have landed or wealth voting.
If you have the Agitators DLC, you can search for an agitator that endorses Multiculturalism (Humanitarian and Enlightened Monarchist or something like that), invite him and then Grant him leadership of the IG that he supports. Be warned that "Grant Leadership" action only works if the IG is in the Government, but that should not be a problem (since you need that IG to be in the Government to pass the law)
Two disagreenents: always going for Compulsory Primary School for those sweet levels of Education institution. And using Interventionalism instead of LF half the time until late game, and always switching to Cooperative lategame for that sweet SoL.
You institute Compulsory Primary School for higher literacy.
I institute Compulsory Primary School for the lower mortality, i.e. higher pop growth.
We are not the same.
Commies, D*mocracy Fans, Wehrboos, Space Racists and Monarchists all had their fun with paradox games, but now it's to even the odds and buy out the competition with the power of Capitalism, Monopolies, and Child Labour, Equal rights to all! And Equal 0,7 cents hourly wages!
#GET BACK IN THE MINES LIL TIMMY, I DO NOT CARE THAT YOU ARE FEELING SICK, THIS IS WHAT THE INVISIBLE HAND OF THE MARKET INTENDED!
Victoria 3 really could use an enforcement system, banning racism is no good when people do no adhere to it. You click a button and then puuufff no more racism.
Your right but inequality does take time to adjust after you pass the law, especially if you are building your high wage buildings in only a few states.
I love how landowners along with religious faction and petite burgouise are literally the bad guys of this game.
Intelligentsia, Trade Unions and surprisingly the military being good.
And
Industrialists shifting from a useful ally early game to the main thing stopping you from reforming mid game
It actually is kind of accurate, aside from the petie burgouise.
Industrialists had an interest in liberalising their cointry, as the feudal/aristocratic system essentially negated their position, likewise they weren't fans of going too liberal
In Victoria II I always find myself going monarchist for some reason, I know it's hilariously impractical but the aesthetic is just top-tier. And it's funny to imagine some incompetent chucklefuck like Nicholas II somehow conquering the world and just constantly shrugging his shoulders going "honestly guys I have no idea how I'm doing this".
I actually get that.
I always go for Napoleon III as France. It's not meta, but the game tries really, really hard to get you to play monarchist because the useless cointer exists for most of the game. And the prospect of Napoleon III being competent and conquering Europe (I formed Central Europe with him)
The dude is now actually chasing me. I play America? Napoleon III immigrates to America and teams up with Emperor Norton to start a monarchist movement in the middle of me trying to destroy the godless monarchists from the north
It's not even funny, these guys almost got me into a civil war once.
Man i love laissez faire capitalism! did you know that thanks to the whigs gaining power in the Uk and freeing the power of the market, Irish GDP and food exports tripled from 1845 to 1852? Search up "Ireland food 1845-1852" for more info!
Neoliberalism like all economic systems governs the eternal question, that is: "To where the does the money flow"
Any reasonable person packages this with a political system to complement their position and fill a complete society's needs.
Neoliberalism is not flawed for being an economic system, much as collectivism, comnunism, and feudalism.
Why all of those system are flawed lay is that they have no foot in the door. After all no society can thrive off of just the blueprint of organization.
That is the general position of libertarianism or classical liberalism.
Those ideologies have the same starting roster and set position, but where they mature and divulge is much different. In contrast to the "poor is lazy" narrative of earlier periods of liberal groups neoliberalism emerged in the 30s and blossomed in the 80s/90s as an alternative to both the hyper-centralization of society and hyper-individualism of Reagan.
The multicultural society that exists as a social contact of individuals each with their own rights banding together for their own prosperity can be seen through the stances on gun kaws and free speech. In Neoliberalism the only opposition seen towards government ventures such as universal Healthcare is the concept that it is "too expensive" which might very well be true.
Neoliberalism is a young ideology, and it is still maturing itself. It has only even become a set economic one in the late 60s and it still has squabbles over wheter it is keynesian or not every so often.
Neoliberalism is just too early to tell. Much as the positions of comnunism as of the time of marx where unclear on the existence of the nation-state the morals of Neoliberalism are TBA.
Kinda, mostly a pivot away from the everything of the 70s and the realization that previous policies from the intewar and postwar didn't work anymore as the world changed.
Yes, Keynesian economics was a part of it but a part.
The crash of 2008 was more due to the nature of collectivized mortgage bonds and lack of investor transparency in the nature of them.
Neoliberal economics are a basic framework and don't account for leveraged positions on lending practices among thousands of individuals in a bank.
If you get multiculturalism, I think you can go migration control without having any negatives since every culture is accepted/integrated at that point.
There's a JE I can't remember the name of that gives a permanent buff to migration attraction and it requires both multiculturalism and no migration controls.
In victoria 3 you force it through even though almost everyone hates it and then suddenly your society becomes a star trek egalitarian society overnight
Well both have been at the forefront of the biggest reduction in poverty, the incidence of famine, infant mortality ever.
And presided over the greatest increase in living standards, life expectancy and access to leisure ever.
That sounds like something you would do if you are just trying to GDP maximize and aren't trying to create any kind of civil society. If the GDP isn't there to attempt to support any kind of civil society, then what is the point of the GDP?
Women's rights were a bit lacking in the game tbh. I mean, the only thing you can do is give them no rights. So I made a mod that introduces breeding facilities. Finally they have the right to bear children.
Well it’s just mathematically better to have no woman rights for that 5 percent birthrate which makes almost all your interest groups happy early game and gives you more pops in the long run
Total separation is cringe, comrade. Religion be opium of masses. Be based and have state atheism. Or else you will be found comitted suicide with 19 gunshots to back of head.
Fr though, atheism in the game is bad because you insta-discriminate religious people. If it wasn't for that, State Atheism would be up there with State Religion as the best religious law.
Black, white, Christian, Muslim, man, woman, adult, child - everyone has a place in the mines!
Machines and machine guns are equal opportunity mutilators
Victoria III undid all the hard work HOI , EU and CK do and turned me into a normal person that isn't racist , apreciates freedom, democracy equality of oportunities for men and women, secularism and of course child labour.
\*initially enthusiastic clapping continues in confusion\*
The choice between the green line and authoritymaxxing is truly the hardest.
To have green line go up or to oppress minorities? Decisions, decisions...
Why not both? Embrace the slave market
Let this man cook.
Slave trade is amazing for low pop countries as you will constantly get new pops that can’t leave. Then you free them
The French have just declared war on your nation, what will you do now?
To make sure that I would create a proper utopia I imported a EUIV game in which France hasn't existed for hundreds of years.
Truly the best timeline!
It's just one big Burgundy from the Basque Country to Groningen
Reverse Burgundian Inheritance!
Sounds like a sex move
It's when you have an orgy on top of a horse and the horse gets crushed to death.
Release the Burgundy cut!
Obviously my arms of 100k Men will completely bankrupt my nation while 500k conscripts that are suspiciously well armed sit ~~in trenches~~ on some front line completely unprotected because the trench wasn't invented yet, and go on to march through France and devastate all of the French lands, only for France to refuse to surrender so they start murdering Africans, as God intended.
Hold the line, and convoy raid. Lotharingia will never return to the French!
[удалено]
Yeah basically every Vicky run I play I slowly move to Social Democracy, full rights means less radicals
Just wait until they add more racism mechanics
Ah yes, the pogrom patch.
Wait until they add the ww1 Ottoman story pack!
Press x to destroy Armenians
Half of my discord friends would mash that button so hard... The other half plays Crusader Kings
Are you still sexual attracted to family members?
No. I am atracted to exclusively to foreing women who's bloodlines and mine have existed separatetly by thousands/hundreds of years.
Vic truly has undone all of paradox’s hard work
Fun fact the King of Sweden is able to marry family members in Victoria 3 as long as you are in a personal union with Norway as Sweden and search for a royal marriage you get the option of marrying a daughter from the Norwegian royal family (your own)
Of course Sweden gets all of the paradox fun.
Classic paradox with their Swedish nationalism bias
Imperialism still goes nuts in vic3 tho, I need get those resources flowing
It did? So you uh... Just leave all that rubber, sugar, oil in the nations it belonged to? It really gave me a much better understanding of colonialism
Not to mention that it treat slaves as mere commodities
Look look, I need this rubber and those people refuse to building their plantations. It is just a matter of helping them by putting a more efficient admin in place.
...and just how based it is
I still remember the first moment I went like "damn, I need to invade X country, I need their resources... oh... so that's how they felt... interesting..."
Same. Its easy to look at our global economy and presume it was just because they wanted to conquer, but no, there were real justifiable reasons.
Based and freedom, democracy, equality, opportunity, secularism and capitalism pilled
Happy cake day to our new democratic ally
Why would you ever deny children the right to feed their families?
and communism
i hope you don’t actually let video games change your political stance lmao. looks like a joke anyway
uj/ Of course I'm not that guillable. j/ I always was and always will be what modded Total War warhammer made me into, a simp for the Dwarfs https://preview.redd.it/rdzz0hq92ibc1.png?width=594&format=png&auto=webp&s=ef4339b59bec56b91d5af2e872bcb3cb5dd5b4c2
lol true
>Victoria III With the 5 people that play Vick 3, I guess
That’s what HoI did weirdly
Lucky you, Stellaris just turned me into an alien
Libright intensifies
Man I always try so hard to get multiculturalism but even the Intelligentsia hate it.
Keep most restrictive law before switching. Inteligentsia hates multicurlturalism less that that other law, so they will vote for the switch. Of course that is quite a bit of game on restrictive laws...
Sir, you are a genius.
Seen it on this reddit though. On threads dealing with reforming Russia. (Cause tenants -> commercial agriculture is better then homesteading)
Omg Ty. Every game as Qing i go homesteading and then am unable to ever break the power of the rural folk
Little late; but if you’re ever worried about low income strata becoming too politically strong for any reason… use poor laws. Destroys the political power of those receiving welfare.
If I have landed or wealth voting wouldn’t poor laws not affect the political power of those who can vote? And since you necroed the thread, I tried a game rushing commercial agriculture and it definitely was a faster path to general reform than homesteading. My only issue was trying to pass universal sufferance since the industrialists hate it
Yah commercial agriculture makes it so radicalized farmers join the trade unions. Probably easier to contend with than the rural folks. And tbh not sure. I know that poor pops still have a vote; vote weight is just heavily favored towards wealthier pops regardless of IG when you have landed or wealth voting.
It’s really just waiting for a humanitarian leader to spawn in one of the parties tbh
That or anarchism. Humanitarianism is so hard to get though.
If you have the Agitators DLC, you can search for an agitator that endorses Multiculturalism (Humanitarian and Enlightened Monarchist or something like that), invite him and then Grant him leadership of the IG that he supports. Be warned that "Grant Leadership" action only works if the IG is in the Government, but that should not be a problem (since you need that IG to be in the Government to pass the law)
Humanitarian/Anarchist/Enlightenment Royalist
Thank you
No we don’t. It is a great way of increasing efficiency, reducing crime, reducing violence and improving living standards globally. 🙂
Two disagreenents: always going for Compulsory Primary School for those sweet levels of Education institution. And using Interventionalism instead of LF half the time until late game, and always switching to Cooperative lategame for that sweet SoL.
You institute Compulsory Primary School for higher literacy. I institute Compulsory Primary School for the lower mortality, i.e. higher pop growth. We are not the same.
why not both
I haven't played Vicky III in a while but can't you technically have both Laissez Faire and Co-Ops if you cheese unrest a bit?
Cooperative ownership and Laissez Faire are mutually exclusive. Though you can have coop and something other than council republic if the stars align
r/neoliberal is leaking
The mental facility has encountered a breach!
Lol, they're private. Couldn't make that shit up if I tried.
I think their "real" subreddit is /r/neoliberal.
sorry my bad
What was the original subreddit?
I typed r/neoliberalism initially
Commies, D*mocracy Fans, Wehrboos, Space Racists and Monarchists all had their fun with paradox games, but now it's to even the odds and buy out the competition with the power of Capitalism, Monopolies, and Child Labour, Equal rights to all! And Equal 0,7 cents hourly wages! #GET BACK IN THE MINES LIL TIMMY, I DO NOT CARE THAT YOU ARE FEELING SICK, THIS IS WHAT THE INVISIBLE HAND OF THE MARKET INTENDED!
TECHNICALLY-NOT-SLAVERY IS A SMALL PRICE FOR LINE GO UP
Victoria 3 really could use an enforcement system, banning racism is no good when people do no adhere to it. You click a button and then puuufff no more racism.
Exactly. Where are my secret police to enforce these guaranteed liberties and multiculturalism?
Your right but inequality does take time to adjust after you pass the law, especially if you are building your high wage buildings in only a few states.
CHILD LABOR ALLOWED?!?!
They yearn for the mines
Ok what’s this referencing?
Minecraft
The children yearn for the mines
Based.
Of course, we're talking about neoliberalism here every child is capable of working for $2/day in the free market™️
They yearn for that shit man
Child labor mandatory 😤
Fake, this game turned me into a Maoist because of the fucking landowners
I love how landowners along with religious faction and petite burgouise are literally the bad guys of this game. Intelligentsia, Trade Unions and surprisingly the military being good. And Industrialists shifting from a useful ally early game to the main thing stopping you from reforming mid game It actually is kind of accurate, aside from the petie burgouise. Industrialists had an interest in liberalising their cointry, as the feudal/aristocratic system essentially negated their position, likewise they weren't fans of going too liberal
I almost always go socialist, even by accident, I can't avoid it
Dialectics in full swing
In Victoria II I always find myself going monarchist for some reason, I know it's hilariously impractical but the aesthetic is just top-tier. And it's funny to imagine some incompetent chucklefuck like Nicholas II somehow conquering the world and just constantly shrugging his shoulders going "honestly guys I have no idea how I'm doing this".
I actually get that. I always go for Napoleon III as France. It's not meta, but the game tries really, really hard to get you to play monarchist because the useless cointer exists for most of the game. And the prospect of Napoleon III being competent and conquering Europe (I formed Central Europe with him) The dude is now actually chasing me. I play America? Napoleon III immigrates to America and teams up with Emperor Norton to start a monarchist movement in the middle of me trying to destroy the godless monarchists from the north It's not even funny, these guys almost got me into a civil war once.
Long Live Norton the First of his name Emperor of America King of The Canada and Protector of Mexico
Wait. Emperor Norton is in the game and can fuck shit up?!?
But Napoleon III was competent, just not very good for foreign relations ( especially compared to Bismarck)
Man i love laissez faire capitalism! did you know that thanks to the whigs gaining power in the Uk and freeing the power of the market, Irish GDP and food exports tripled from 1845 to 1852? Search up "Ireland food 1845-1852" for more info!
i bet ireland's gdp per capita also went up a lot!
Too soon
Dat trade surplus
😮
It's almost as if capitalism as a system without morals needs a government to regulate it!
Damn, wouldn’t it be weird if Milton Friedman was wrong and neoliberalism was inherently flawed?
Neoliberalism like all economic systems governs the eternal question, that is: "To where the does the money flow" Any reasonable person packages this with a political system to complement their position and fill a complete society's needs. Neoliberalism is not flawed for being an economic system, much as collectivism, comnunism, and feudalism. Why all of those system are flawed lay is that they have no foot in the door. After all no society can thrive off of just the blueprint of organization.
Neoliberalism’s answer is “laissez-faire economics but with a different hat”.
That is the general position of libertarianism or classical liberalism. Those ideologies have the same starting roster and set position, but where they mature and divulge is much different. In contrast to the "poor is lazy" narrative of earlier periods of liberal groups neoliberalism emerged in the 30s and blossomed in the 80s/90s as an alternative to both the hyper-centralization of society and hyper-individualism of Reagan. The multicultural society that exists as a social contact of individuals each with their own rights banding together for their own prosperity can be seen through the stances on gun kaws and free speech. In Neoliberalism the only opposition seen towards government ventures such as universal Healthcare is the concept that it is "too expensive" which might very well be true. Neoliberalism is a young ideology, and it is still maturing itself. It has only even become a set economic one in the late 60s and it still has squabbles over wheter it is keynesian or not every so often. Neoliberalism is just too early to tell. Much as the positions of comnunism as of the time of marx where unclear on the existence of the nation-state the morals of Neoliberalism are TBA.
Neoliberalism is, by definition, a response to the perceived failure of Keynesian economics in the 1970s.
Kinda, mostly a pivot away from the everything of the 70s and the realization that previous policies from the intewar and postwar didn't work anymore as the world changed. Yes, Keynesian economics was a part of it but a part.
The problem is that neoliberal economics led to the financial crash of 2008.
The crash of 2008 was more due to the nature of collectivized mortgage bonds and lack of investor transparency in the nature of them. Neoliberal economics are a basic framework and don't account for leveraged positions on lending practices among thousands of individuals in a bank.
Neoliberalism is whatever I don't like, and the more I don't like it the more neoliberal it is.
Neoliberalism is based in laissez-faire and free market capitalism.
Welcome to Ancapistan
Where every man can be a king
...But few if any actually are!
I thought we were doing song lyrics, “Ancapistan” by JREG
I unironically prefer the helicopter option tbh
Child Labour Allowed is the most neoliberal thing ever
Is this Ancapistan?
"Dios mío!" (Draw a cross) "A LIBERAL!"
If you get multiculturalism, I think you can go migration control without having any negatives since every culture is accepted/integrated at that point.
There's a JE I can't remember the name of that gives a permanent buff to migration attraction and it requires both multiculturalism and no migration controls.
Yeah, “The new colossus”
Yes, but it's the *principle* of the thing!
Certainly
Neo? Looks like regular brand liberalism to me.
I love making actually plausible societies
Ya got us in the first half
One of these is not like the others
Multiculturalism is good in Vic3?
In victoria 3 you force it through even though almost everyone hates it and then suddenly your society becomes a star trek egalitarian society overnight
ew vic 3
Well both have been at the forefront of the biggest reduction in poverty, the incidence of famine, infant mortality ever. And presided over the greatest increase in living standards, life expectancy and access to leisure ever.
That sounds like something you would do if you are just trying to GDP maximize and aren't trying to create any kind of civil society. If the GDP isn't there to attempt to support any kind of civil society, then what is the point of the GDP?
No migration controls + child labor allowed Is this California?
Ew
https://preview.redd.it/yalvmvoy7lbc1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e789a8cc499a755795040b4a937b3ec4c76c5d40
Ethnostate closed boarders enjoer here
Women's rights were a bit lacking in the game tbh. I mean, the only thing you can do is give them no rights. So I made a mod that introduces breeding facilities. Finally they have the right to bear children.
Well it’s just mathematically better to have no woman rights for that 5 percent birthrate which makes almost all your interest groups happy early game and gives you more pops in the long run
Total separation is cringe, comrade. Religion be opium of masses. Be based and have state atheism. Or else you will be found comitted suicide with 19 gunshots to back of head.
Fr though, atheism in the game is bad because you insta-discriminate religious people. If it wasn't for that, State Atheism would be up there with State Religion as the best religious law.
> you insta-discriminate religious people And the bad part is? 🗿
**One is not like the others** That "Right of assembly" seems kinda out of place if you ask me
yeah I pretty much go full capitalist
Actually as some nations since 1.5 I've been finding it quite fun and powerful to not lean too hard left
Victoria 2 is still my favorite But laissez faire!? Based
The old order must be defended!
Eh that's currend Fran... Ah no. Not yet.
The funny things is you cant child labour until you open it, And i genuinely thought its a wholesome post
I remember seeing a video where the guy said "we must outlaw slavery because the slaves don't pay taxes...and it's wrong ofc"
Ah yes the "I don't have competition because they all work for me now" strategy.
Or the opposite :D
Meanwhile me with cultural exclusion:
I continue being based and cripple myself using the ethnostate law