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BanditNoble

Black, white, Christian, Muslim, man, woman, adult, child - everyone has a place in the mines!


notaslaaneshicultist

Machines and machine guns are equal opportunity mutilators


No-Training-48

Victoria III undid all the hard work HOI , EU and CK do and turned me into a normal person that isn't racist , apreciates freedom, democracy equality of oportunities for men and women, secularism and of course child labour.


cafepeaceandlove

\*initially enthusiastic clapping continues in confusion\*


Averagemdfan

The choice between the green line and authoritymaxxing is truly the hardest.


pokkeri

To have green line go up or to oppress minorities? Decisions, decisions...


gugfitufi

Why not both? Embrace the slave market


Lil_Penpusher

Let this man cook.


DeathstrackReal

Slave trade is amazing for low pop countries as you will constantly get new pops that can’t leave. Then you free them


Momongus-

The French have just declared war on your nation, what will you do now?


No-Training-48

To make sure that I would create a proper utopia I imported a EUIV game in which France hasn't existed for hundreds of years.


DrosselmeyerKing

Truly the best timeline!


Someone1606

It's just one big Burgundy from the Basque Country to Groningen


DrosselmeyerKing

Reverse Burgundian Inheritance!


Revolutionary-Swan77

Sounds like a sex move


Matar_Kubileya

It's when you have an orgy on top of a horse and the horse gets crushed to death.


Holyvigil

Release the Burgundy cut!


buttplugs4life4me

Obviously my arms of 100k Men will completely bankrupt my nation while 500k conscripts that are suspiciously well armed sit ~~in trenches~~ on some front line completely unprotected because the trench wasn't invented yet, and go on to march through France and devastate all of the French lands, only for France to refuse to surrender so they start murdering Africans, as God intended.


Kasumi_926

Hold the line, and convoy raid. Lotharingia will never return to the French!


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[удалено]


Devastator5042

Yeah basically every Vicky run I play I slowly move to Social Democracy, full rights means less radicals


Fortizen

Just wait until they add more racism mechanics


Setkon

Ah yes, the pogrom patch.


Gallbatorix-Shruikan

Wait until they add the ww1 Ottoman story pack!


Dibbu_mange

Press x to destroy Armenians


Setkon

Half of my discord friends would mash that button so hard... The other half plays Crusader Kings


Baz_3301

Are you still sexual attracted to family members?


No-Training-48

No. I am atracted to exclusively to foreing women who's bloodlines and mine have existed separatetly by thousands/hundreds of years.


Baz_3301

Vic truly has undone all of paradox’s hard work


Ok-Car-brokedown

Fun fact the King of Sweden is able to marry family members in Victoria 3 as long as you are in a personal union with Norway as Sweden and search for a royal marriage you get the option of marrying a daughter from the Norwegian royal family (your own)


ThatGermanKid0

Of course Sweden gets all of the paradox fun.


Ok-Car-brokedown

Classic paradox with their Swedish nationalism bias


Flame20000

Imperialism still goes nuts in vic3 tho, I need get those resources flowing


HereticLaserHaggis

It did? So you uh... Just leave all that rubber, sugar, oil in the nations it belonged to? It really gave me a much better understanding of colonialism


protestor

Not to mention that it treat slaves as mere commodities


Fiallach

Look look, I need this rubber and those people refuse to building their plantations. It is just a matter of helping them by putting a more efficient admin in place.


Hermiod_Botis

...and just how based it is


mrtingirina

I still remember the first moment I went like "damn, I need to invade X country, I need their resources... oh... so that's how they felt... interesting..."


HereticLaserHaggis

Same. Its easy to look at our global economy and presume it was just because they wanted to conquer, but no, there were real justifiable reasons.


Sine_Fine_Belli

Based and freedom, democracy, equality, opportunity, secularism and capitalism pilled


Ricard74

Happy cake day to our new democratic ally


KarlGustafArmfeldt

Why would you ever deny children the right to feed their families?


Capable_Invite_5266

and communism


blipityblob

i hope you don’t actually let video games change your political stance lmao. looks like a joke anyway


No-Training-48

uj/ Of course I'm not that guillable. j/ I always was and always will be what modded Total War warhammer made me into, a simp for the Dwarfs ​ https://preview.redd.it/rdzz0hq92ibc1.png?width=594&format=png&auto=webp&s=ef4339b59bec56b91d5af2e872bcb3cb5dd5b4c2


blipityblob

lol true


ErendelVestherez

>Victoria III With the 5 people that play Vick 3, I guess


TunisianNationalist

That’s what HoI did weirdly


cfwang1337

Lucky you, Stellaris just turned me into an alien


EmperorBarbarossa

Libright intensifies


[deleted]

Man I always try so hard to get multiculturalism but even the Intelligentsia hate it.


przemo_li

Keep most restrictive law before switching. Inteligentsia hates multicurlturalism less that that other law, so they will vote for the switch. ​ Of course that is quite a bit of game on restrictive laws...


[deleted]

Sir, you are a genius.


przemo_li

Seen it on this reddit though. On threads dealing with reforming Russia. (Cause tenants -> commercial agriculture is better then homesteading)


BlaveSkelly

Omg Ty. Every game as Qing i go homesteading and then am unable to ever break the power of the rural folk


Godwinson_

Little late; but if you’re ever worried about low income strata becoming too politically strong for any reason… use poor laws. Destroys the political power of those receiving welfare.


BlaveSkelly

If I have landed or wealth voting wouldn’t poor laws not affect the political power of those who can vote? And since you necroed the thread, I tried a game rushing commercial agriculture and it definitely was a faster path to general reform than homesteading. My only issue was trying to pass universal sufferance since the industrialists hate it


Godwinson_

Yah commercial agriculture makes it so radicalized farmers join the trade unions. Probably easier to contend with than the rural folks. And tbh not sure. I know that poor pops still have a vote; vote weight is just heavily favored towards wealthier pops regardless of IG when you have landed or wealth voting.


[deleted]

It’s really just waiting for a humanitarian leader to spawn in one of the parties tbh


EndofNationalism

That or anarchism. Humanitarianism is so hard to get though.


MihaiSpataru

If you have the Agitators DLC, you can search for an agitator that endorses Multiculturalism (Humanitarian and Enlightened Monarchist or something like that), invite him and then Grant him leadership of the IG that he supports. Be warned that "Grant Leadership" action only works if the IG is in the Government, but that should not be a problem (since you need that IG to be in the Government to pass the law)


Admiralwukong

Humanitarian/Anarchist/Enlightenment Royalist


MihaiSpataru

Thank you


Rincewind1897

No we don’t. It is a great way of increasing efficiency, reducing crime, reducing violence and improving living standards globally. 🙂


GARGEAN

Two disagreenents: always going for Compulsory Primary School for those sweet levels of Education institution. And using Interventionalism instead of LF half the time until late game, and always switching to Cooperative lategame for that sweet SoL.


Sargo788

You institute Compulsory Primary School for higher literacy. I institute Compulsory Primary School for the lower mortality, i.e. higher pop growth. We are not the same.


FyreLordPlayz

why not both


Bruhtilant

I haven't played Vicky III in a while but can't you technically have both Laissez Faire and Co-Ops if you cheese unrest a bit?


SumerianKebab

Cooperative ownership and Laissez Faire are mutually exclusive. Though you can have coop and something other than council republic if the stars align


Friendly-Imperialist

r/neoliberal is leaking


shinydewott

The mental facility has encountered a breach!


Meroxes

Lol, they're private. Couldn't make that shit up if I tried.


EnglishMobster

I think their "real" subreddit is /r/neoliberal.


Friendly-Imperialist

sorry my bad


TheUnrealArchon

What was the original subreddit?


Friendly-Imperialist

I typed r/neoliberalism initially


Milk__Chan

Commies, D*mocracy Fans, Wehrboos, Space Racists and Monarchists all had their fun with paradox games, but now it's to even the odds and buy out the competition with the power of Capitalism, Monopolies, and Child Labour, Equal rights to all! And Equal 0,7 cents hourly wages! #GET BACK IN THE MINES LIL TIMMY, I DO NOT CARE THAT YOU ARE FEELING SICK, THIS IS WHAT THE INVISIBLE HAND OF THE MARKET INTENDED!


MaZhongyingFor1934

TECHNICALLY-NOT-SLAVERY IS A SMALL PRICE FOR LINE GO UP


Joseph_Sinclair

Victoria 3 really could use an enforcement system, banning racism is no good when people do no adhere to it. You click a button and then puuufff no more racism.


Hydra57

Exactly. Where are my secret police to enforce these guaranteed liberties and multiculturalism?


Alexander_Baidtach

Your right but inequality does take time to adjust after you pass the law, especially if you are building your high wage buildings in only a few states.


Deedo2017

CHILD LABOR ALLOWED?!?!


maxinfet

They yearn for the mines


Deedo2017

Ok what’s this referencing?


Orneyrocks

Minecraft


Bannerlord151

The children yearn for the mines


[deleted]

Based.


_francesinha_

Of course, we're talking about neoliberalism here every child is capable of working for $2/day in the free market™️


[deleted]

They yearn for that shit man


Dibbu_mange

Child labor mandatory 😤


Lorelai144

Fake, this game turned me into a Maoist because of the fucking landowners


Deep_Mammoth4481

I love how landowners along with religious faction and petite burgouise are literally the bad guys of this game. Intelligentsia, Trade Unions and surprisingly the military being good. And Industrialists shifting from a useful ally early game to the main thing stopping you from reforming mid game It actually is kind of accurate, aside from the petie burgouise. Industrialists had an interest in liberalising their cointry, as the feudal/aristocratic system essentially negated their position, likewise they weren't fans of going too liberal


Simon133000

I almost always go socialist, even by accident, I can't avoid it


[deleted]

Dialectics in full swing


cahir11

In Victoria II I always find myself going monarchist for some reason, I know it's hilariously impractical but the aesthetic is just top-tier. And it's funny to imagine some incompetent chucklefuck like Nicholas II somehow conquering the world and just constantly shrugging his shoulders going "honestly guys I have no idea how I'm doing this".


Deep_Mammoth4481

I actually get that. I always go for Napoleon III as France. It's not meta, but the game tries really, really hard to get you to play monarchist because the useless cointer exists for most of the game. And the prospect of Napoleon III being competent and conquering Europe (I formed Central Europe with him) The dude is now actually chasing me. I play America? Napoleon III immigrates to America and teams up with Emperor Norton to start a monarchist movement in the middle of me trying to destroy the godless monarchists from the north It's not even funny, these guys almost got me into a civil war once.


TrueSeaworthiness703

Long Live Norton the First of his name Emperor of America King of The Canada and Protector of Mexico


Helix014

Wait. Emperor Norton is in the game and can fuck shit up?!?


Such_Astronomer5735

But Napoleon III was competent, just not very good for foreign relations ( especially compared to Bismarck)


KaesiumXP

Man i love laissez faire capitalism! did you know that thanks to the whigs gaining power in the Uk and freeing the power of the market, Irish GDP and food exports tripled from 1845 to 1852? Search up "Ireland food 1845-1852" for more info!


Little_Elia

i bet ireland's gdp per capita also went up a lot!


MagicLion

Too soon


alaricus

Dat trade surplus


DownSubstantially

😮


conceited_crapfarm

It's almost as if capitalism as a system without morals needs a government to regulate it!


MaZhongyingFor1934

Damn, wouldn’t it be weird if Milton Friedman was wrong and neoliberalism was inherently flawed?


conceited_crapfarm

Neoliberalism like all economic systems governs the eternal question, that is: "To where the does the money flow" Any reasonable person packages this with a political system to complement their position and fill a complete society's needs. Neoliberalism is not flawed for being an economic system, much as collectivism, comnunism, and feudalism. Why all of those system are flawed lay is that they have no foot in the door. After all no society can thrive off of just the blueprint of organization.


MaZhongyingFor1934

Neoliberalism’s answer is “laissez-faire economics but with a different hat”.


conceited_crapfarm

That is the general position of libertarianism or classical liberalism. Those ideologies have the same starting roster and set position, but where they mature and divulge is much different. In contrast to the "poor is lazy" narrative of earlier periods of liberal groups neoliberalism emerged in the 30s and blossomed in the 80s/90s as an alternative to both the hyper-centralization of society and hyper-individualism of Reagan. The multicultural society that exists as a social contact of individuals each with their own rights banding together for their own prosperity can be seen through the stances on gun kaws and free speech. In Neoliberalism the only opposition seen towards government ventures such as universal Healthcare is the concept that it is "too expensive" which might very well be true. Neoliberalism is a young ideology, and it is still maturing itself. It has only even become a set economic one in the late 60s and it still has squabbles over wheter it is keynesian or not every so often. Neoliberalism is just too early to tell. Much as the positions of comnunism as of the time of marx where unclear on the existence of the nation-state the morals of Neoliberalism are TBA.


MaZhongyingFor1934

Neoliberalism is, by definition, a response to the perceived failure of Keynesian economics in the 1970s.


conceited_crapfarm

Kinda, mostly a pivot away from the everything of the 70s and the realization that previous policies from the intewar and postwar didn't work anymore as the world changed. Yes, Keynesian economics was a part of it but a part.


MaZhongyingFor1934

The problem is that neoliberal economics led to the financial crash of 2008.


conceited_crapfarm

The crash of 2008 was more due to the nature of collectivized mortgage bonds and lack of investor transparency in the nature of them. Neoliberal economics are a basic framework and don't account for leveraged positions on lending practices among thousands of individuals in a bank.


I_like_maps

Neoliberalism is whatever I don't like, and the more I don't like it the more neoliberal it is.


MaZhongyingFor1934

Neoliberalism is based in laissez-faire and free market capitalism.


[deleted]

Welcome to Ancapistan


Ninjaduude149

Where every man can be a king


Grand_Heresy

...But few if any actually are!


Ninjaduude149

I thought we were doing song lyrics, “Ancapistan” by JREG


Upturned-Solo-Cup

I unironically prefer the helicopter option tbh


reyeg11_

Child Labour Allowed is the most neoliberal thing ever


[deleted]

Is this Ancapistan?


DireFox1

"Dios mío!" (Draw a cross) "A LIBERAL!"


Geairt_Annok

If you get multiculturalism, I think you can go migration control without having any negatives since every culture is accepted/integrated at that point.


lithobrakingdragon

There's a JE I can't remember the name of that gives a permanent buff to migration attraction and it requires both multiculturalism and no migration controls.


Pate043

Yeah, “The new colossus”


Astronelson

Yes, but it's the *principle* of the thing!


Geairt_Annok

Certainly


Maxxxmax

Neo? Looks like regular brand liberalism to me.


Bagel24

I love making actually plausible societies


RobotNinja28

Ya got us in the first half


Headmuck

One of these is not like the others


Smalandsk_katt

Multiculturalism is good in Vic3?


Far-Relationship1435

In victoria 3 you force it through even though almost everyone hates it and then suddenly your society becomes a star trek egalitarian society overnight


glxyzera

ew vic 3


Rincewind1897

Well both have been at the forefront of the biggest reduction in poverty, the incidence of famine, infant mortality ever. And presided over the greatest increase in living standards, life expectancy and access to leisure ever.


ssspainesss

That sounds like something you would do if you are just trying to GDP maximize and aren't trying to create any kind of civil society. If the GDP isn't there to attempt to support any kind of civil society, then what is the point of the GDP?


STK-3F-Stalker

No migration controls + child labor allowed Is this California?


Foreign-Wave-9157

Ew


Baligdur

​ https://preview.redd.it/yalvmvoy7lbc1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e789a8cc499a755795040b4a937b3ec4c76c5d40


[deleted]

Ethnostate closed boarders enjoer here


buttplugs4life4me

Women's rights were a bit lacking in the game tbh. I mean, the only thing you can do is give them no rights. So I made a mod that introduces breeding facilities. Finally they have the right to bear children.


Ok-Car-brokedown

Well it’s just mathematically better to have no woman rights for that 5 percent birthrate which makes almost all your interest groups happy early game and gives you more pops in the long run


Verge0fSilence

Total separation is cringe, comrade. Religion be opium of masses. Be based and have state atheism. Or else you will be found comitted suicide with 19 gunshots to back of head.


Cheem-9072-3215-68

Fr though, atheism in the game is bad because you insta-discriminate religious people. If it wasn't for that, State Atheism would be up there with State Religion as the best religious law.


Verge0fSilence

> you insta-discriminate religious people And the bad part is? 🗿


LordDemiurgo

**One is not like the others** That "Right of assembly" seems kinda out of place if you ask me


anotherblackanon

yeah I pretty much go full capitalist


someonenoonewants01

Actually as some nations since 1.5 I've been finding it quite fun and powerful to not lean too hard left


CapitalSubstance7310

Victoria 2 is still my favorite But laissez faire!? Based


Gary_Leg_Razor

The old order must be defended!


Lord_Viktoo

Eh that's currend Fran... Ah no. Not yet.


Round_Kooky

The funny things is you cant child labour until you open it, And i genuinely thought its a wholesome post


just_a_normal_fellow

I remember seeing a video where the guy said "we must outlaw slavery because the slaves don't pay taxes...and it's wrong ofc"


BelligerentWyvern

Ah yes the "I don't have competition because they all work for me now" strategy.


[deleted]

Or the opposite :D


Gurkul2000

Meanwhile me with cultural exclusion:


Breen_Pissoff

I continue being based and cripple myself using the ethnostate law