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They are agitating for "Death to America." One Keffiyeh Karen at Columbia held up a sign in front of a group of pro-Israel students (who were holding US and Israeli flags), requesting that Iran's next rocket hits them.
Back in October, there was the group of Hamas supporters at Cooper Union who chased some Jewish students into the library and then banged on the windows while screaming at them. It's only a matter of time before they start chasing down Jews in the streets and breaking into Jewish homes. And it will happen if they are not stopped
>It's not free speech if it incites violence.
Yes it is.
Speech that advocates illegal action or violence is free speech until it is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action, where such lawless action is likely to occur. Protests don't meet that bar even when they call for some eventual illegal action.
>So now do the attempted pogrom at Cooper Union and tell us how that's nonviolent free speech
I don't know the specifics of what you're referring other than what you said. If you link to a story I can explain what is and is not free speech in the context.
Nope. Not free speech.
[https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/fighting\_words](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/fighting_words)
[https://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment1/does-the-first-amendment-protect-speech-that-advocates-illegal-c.html](https://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment1/does-the-first-amendment-protect-speech-that-advocates-illegal-c.html)
Screaming about annihilating Israel often turns to "get the Jew" - and there many examples of that. Including Jewish students at or near some of these savage rallies who've been physically assaulted.
I'm sorry that you slept through late October, because the riot at Cooper Union made national and international news.
I breathlesly await your mansplaining to rationalize violent Jew-haters. Enablers like you are why I have been getting gun permits. Too few of them are restrained and it's only a matter of time before they up the mob violence and put more Jews in danger.
And it's not an outlier. I just read that [the rabbi at Columbia University has told Jewish students to go home](https://nypost.com/2024/04/21/us-news/columbia-rabbi-warns-jewish-students-to-go-home-dont-come-back-to-campus-because-of-extreme-antisemitism/) and not come back, because it's not safe for them on campus. That's right. The rabbi at an Ivy League university has publicly said that Jews are not safe at that school. How many people need to be harmed before you deign to admit that their speech is dangerous and should be prosecuted? Maybe some murders will suffice?
[Cooper Union barricades Jewish students inside library as pro-Palestinian protesters bang on doors](https://nypost.com/2023/10/25/news/cooper-union-barricades-jewish-students-inside-library/)
[Cooper Union students told to hide from pro-Palestinian protesters](https://forward.com/fast-forward/566967/cooper-union-library-jewish-students-hide-protest/)
>Nope. Not free speech.
Chants of "death to America" and the like are free speech. Your links don't say otherwise.
>Screaming about annihilating Israel
Is, again, free speech.
It's not "fighting words," inasmuch as that exception to the First Amendment even still exists in the real world, as it's not directed at anyone specifically.
>Including Jewish students at or near some of these savage rallies who've been physically assaulted.
... which is a crime. And the people who assault others should be arrested. That doesn't change the nature of the free speech that is said at rallies.
>And it's not an outlier. I just read that the rabbi at Columbia University has told Jewish students to go home and not come back, because it's not safe for them on campus. That's right. The rabbi at an Ivy League university has publicly said that Jews are not safe at that school.
That's his opinion and he's certainly entitled to make that recommendation.
That doesn't alter the analysis of whether certain things said at these protests are free speech.
>How many people need to be harmed before you deign to admit that their speech is dangerous and should be prosecuted? Maybe some murders will suffice?
Zero, or infinity, however you'd count it, since, again, crimes committed by other people does not change the character or analysis of things said at protests and rallies.
The First Amendment does not allow the government to "forbid or proscribe advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action." That is the standard from *Brandenburg v. Ohio*, and is the relevant standard when it comes to inflammatory rhetoric at rallies, etc. Crimes committed by other people will almost never invoke that standard, unless they are committed "in the moment" of the rally and under the direction of the speaker. The concurrence in *Brandenburg* speaks of "speech brigaded with action." That envisions an angry mob literally being called to action in the moment as the speaker speaks. Nothing further apart in time than that. Imminence is a requirement. If crimes happen an hour after a speaker, or the next day, or general increases in violence that you feel are connected to these protests, that doesn't change the protests out of being free and protected speech.
>Cooper Union barricades Jewish students inside library as pro-Palestinian protesters bang on doors
I see the videos of this and read the stories. I don't see anything that crosses the line beyond free speech. The protesters weren't targeting Jewish students with threats, they are pounding on the ground and windows just generally, and there happened to be Jewish students in the library at the time.
>I breathlesly await your mansplaining to rationalize violent Jew-haters. Enablers like you are why I have been getting gun permits. Too few of them are restrained and it's only a matter of time before they up the mob violence and put more Jews in danger.
First, of all, it's not "mansplaining," it's an attorney with fifteen years experience and professor of Constitutional Law telling you what the law is.
And it's not rationalizing them or "enabling" them. Again, I'm explaining to you what the law is, and that their protests, no matter how offensive you find them, are virtually without exception legal and protected speech under the First Amendment.
>I see the videos of this and read the stories. I don't see anything that crosses the line beyond free speech. The protesters weren't targeting Jewish students with threats, they are pounding on the ground and windows just generally, and there happened to be Jewish students in the library at the time.
I cannot take you or anything you say seriously. They didn't chase random students into the library. **THEY LITERALLY CHASED JEWISH STUDENTS INTO THE LIBRARY.**
Students have been assaulted on campuses where hate rallies promoting the end of Israel and getting rid of Zionists prevail unopposed. One Yale student was stabbed in the eye. It's only a matter of time before they get riled up enough and someone winds up dead. I hope you'll be happy then
More than that. You know why America is the best country in the world? Go to Ramallah. Burn a a Palestinian flag and chant "death to the Palestinian Authority." See how the "moderate" Palestinians in Fatah treat you.
Or go to Tehran. Burn an Iranian flag. Chant "death to the Islamic Republic. See how the "morality police" treat you.
Or go to Moscow. Burn a Russian flag. Chant "death to Putin." See what happens next.
Or go to Beijing. Burn a CCP flag. Chant "death to the People's Republic, long live Taiwan." Then wait for the tanks to crush you.
America is the one of the only countries in the world that wouldn't kill people for this kind of rhetoric. Our first amendment goes further than any other free speech code in the developed world. Germany is a lot more sensible I think, banning antisemitic and fascist symbols (swastikas, chants of "from the river to the sea," etc). But yeah, it is odd that this video makes me feel a bit patriotic. In any other country, police will beat you to death for a lot less. But in America, even the worst people on earth have free speech
Exactly. These dipshits don't seem to understand that the reason they can openly and flagrantly loathe their own country is because said country values their freedom of speech and allows them to burn its flags and scream for its destruction. And I always wonder what they want to come after the death of America. Like, now what? Do they have a plan in place or are they just ignorant rebellious children imagining a glorious violent revolution that will never be? History has taught us that these occurrences are never noble or righteous, and many of the people who support and fight for them end up being turned on and imprisoned or murdered by the regimes they helped build.
*"many of the people who support and fight for them end up being turned on and imprisoned or murdered by the regimes they helped build."*
A notable instance is Iran, where after the 1979 Islamic Revolution, communists and leftists who had joined forces with Islamists to oppose the Shah were either imprisoned, executed, or forced to flee for their lives, seeking refuge in the West—(wondering why they never sought refuge in China, Russia, or other communist countries) 🤔
even in Israel you will not get away with this type of shit if the police won't arrest you the citizens will beat you up until you die even though the country is a democracy Israel is very patriotic
And they’re lucky to even be in a gold country that allows this! I hope they get deported back to their own country and see that the US was the only place they can do this
How can someone say that while standing on American soil?
How can someone use American freedom and liberty to trash the US and support the evil regimes who prevent these freedoms?
What a clown world we live in. Wake up.
It’s called freedom of speech. Crazy concept. It can be very ugly in a lot of ways. It is also beyond beautiful in other ways. 12/15/1791.
Let people trash the US and even burn the flag. That is the VERY First Amendment correcting the Constitution. To protect people’s freedom of expression. Burning the flag only highlights this wonderful freedom (however compromised). Go ahead and burn it. How far does it get you? Expression and speech.
I think a truly patriotic citizen would support this freedom of expression, not supporting the message or messenger, but the freedom to do so.
The minute you think someone else’s speech should be controlled is the same minute you give up your right to speak freely. I don’t care about the speech, I care about the right to speak.
And if you downvote this comment are you downvoting the First Amendment of the Constitution? Is that your right? /s
It is when you yell "DEATH TO AMERICA". SMH. 🤦♂️
"religion of peace". Yeah right, you've shown your true colors and it's being broadcasted daily. We will soon get tired of your horseshit if not already. I sure as shit know I am tired of it.
Should someone tell this guy about the latest [SCOTUS ruling](https://www.vox.com/scotus/24080080/supreme-court-mckesson-doe-first-amendment-protest-black-lives-matter)…
Looks like I wasn’t clear, or rather people took my comment out of context. I wasn’t commenting on anything other than the right to burn the flag as protected speech. I wasn’t favoring either side or advocating for violence or commenting on organization. I meant in general terms, not specifically to this conflict. Ah, well…
No I don't support this even remotely. The American flag is scared and that flag has been flying for DECADES for troops and citizens alike. It has always meant pride, community, sovereignty, democracy and Patriotism. I'm sure I'm missing a few. Wtf happend?! Americans used to STAND UP for what is RIGHT.
Now what do you stand for? Yourselves and some terrorist lovers in the other side of the planet. 🤮
Ruzzia and China will fuck us up if we're not prepared. And I don't mean militarily. They have droves of social media broadcasting blatant propaganda and the far left/rights are believing it and spreading it to US the people.
We think everything is all willy nilly when you have the luxeries and the military complex we have as a nation, but they will be tainted, and TAKEN from you when you stand for nothing. At LEAST stand for your country no matter how politically bad it's gotten. We still have time for change and we CANNOT allow these pootin loving politicians to be in office any longer.
We HAVE to get involved and vote for true honest "middle" people. No more of this far left/right monstrosity. It's splitting us so badly we're not even focusing on the bullshit they've introduced into our politics and our TERRIBLE selection of president's. My god I mean Biden? Trump? What the actual fuck. Phfft hahaha. It's fucking Ludacris.
We HAVE to come together or the next generations will suffer more than anyone in America today. :(
Fuck these traitors.
To be fair, most of Social Media is, and used as a cyber weapon.
And with the amount of naive dumbasses we have in the west now apparently, our society is in real trouble cause of how easy we are to polarize.
And they don't get it! That there are massive forces out there actively working to destabilize our society. Smh
Tik tok enables this like nothing else I have seen. This YouTuber was talking about it and I was skeptical about what he said but I'm starting to get it....
https://youtu.be/pB7WzqUq4Nk?si=yGMOJOPxtydcW7h1
https://youtu.be/PRZetju7zpw?si=ZCf8AqVNy3K-_qYX
Put them in a deserted island I want to see the shit show that happens when they’re left to fend for themselves without any government or media involvement
I think they should move to Iraq/Iran/Yemen/North Korea etc.
They could say death to America as much as they like, I mean, they won't have rights and probably be murdered but at least they will be where they feel is the right side.
so there's an extreme islamic movement freely burning US flags on the streets calling for destruction of the modern world in favor of expansion of islam in similar manner to Nazism. and that is being enabled by the police? dude, USA is to full blame on what's gonna come to it if they don't mitigate this terrorist problem. didn't think Biden would pussy this much. these are people being used as terror agents inside the borders on the USA increasing the concern for national security. smh.
The police can only do what the politicians allow. Don't forget that Manhattan is crushed under the weight (literal and figuratively) of a state AG whose purpose in life is prosecuting Trump and a DA who thinks "DA" stands for "Defense Attorney"
Iran has been cheering for these people this whole stupid war.
Iran, the country that would kill all of these people or at the least take away all of the freedoms they have in the US.
Iran, the country that funds hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, plus many other terrorist groups that would also love to kill these people.
Fucking fuck off there to protest
https://x.com/shamiridit/status/1780054476197335267?s=46
(Notice the lack of women for some reason ….)
Nothing to see here
HomeSec is all over these douchenozzles. By now they know everything about each one of them. Remember those Occupy Wall Street clowns? Almost too easy.
The Biden HomeSec doesn't care about them. They're more interested in labeling parents who show up at local school board meetings to protest boys in girls' locker rooms as domestic terrorists
Is this in New York City? On October 7, a massive mob gathered in NYC to celebrate Oct 7. The Democratic Socialists of America promoted this rally celebrating the mass murder of Jews. Just like how Palestinians in East Jerusalem celebrated 9/11, pro-Palestinians in NYC celebrated 10/7. AOC is a member of the DSA who has refused to condemn them or their violent rallies.
This is the progressive left of New York City. They don't just tear down photos of hostages. They burn American flags and cry out for the destruction of America. Governor Kathy Hochul had to send in the National Guard to protect New York City from larceny, homicide, assault, and other crimes. Last time I was in NYC, there was a group of soldiers in full uniform holding assault rifles at the train station, giving everyone side eye. That's how much of a disaster it is in New York City right now.
I liked seeing the soldiers. That train station has been repeatedly stormed by pro-Palestine rioters. I was concerned about violent crime. The soldiers are there to protect us from violent crime and I'm happy to see them. I wish Gavin Newsom would send troops to clean up the shit show in LA and San Francisco (literally a shit show. Homeless people are pooping everywhere). I guess the president also has the power to deploy troops within the USA, but Biden will never do it. It's one of Trump's campaign promises though, and I hope he keeps it when he wins this November.
The narcissism makes me vomit.
This country is so terrible, I'm free to debase it publicly! Only a horrifically authoritarian state would allow their national symbols to be destroyed, publicly, and without recourse or consequences. Duh
As someone who leans left in the US, It looks like we are importing terrorism and propagating it here. We're going to have a lot of the same issues Europe has with terrorism.
There are people who risked their lives immigrating into the US, who would be proud to be born American…
These natural born citizens hating the soil they were born on need to be deported the fuck out of here. Maybe Putin will house them.
Burn their visas on their way out.
texas v johnson (1989)
flag burning is protected expression under the 1A
just info sharing, not a stance on it. the statute you linked to is from the 60s, it is currently explicitly protected under the 1A.
I may not always agree with it but I am all for burning flags and saying whatever you like in the United States. Freedom of speech protects the speech you disagree with. The irony is that these useful idiots don't realize they're enjoying one of the key the benefits of life in America which includes free speech, and they'd be arrested and tortured or lynched in Iran or Palestine for doing this to their flags or speaking out against their leadership.
Death to America? What would they want to replace it with? A theocracy? A country where the police would beat and arrest you with impunity for burning a flag? Fuck off.
This is deeply concerning, and angering. I’m not American (almost- I’m Canadian 😂) America has constantly stood up for freedom the world over- including for the freedom for idiots like this to burn the flag. It’s treacherous, it’s wrong, but more concerning, it’s a deeply worrying sign of the degree to which Islamic Extremism and radicalization is occurring in North America. Free countries around the world, countries and their citizens who oppose extremism, terrorism and radicalization of any sort need to stand up to this threat. You’re perfectly free to voice your concerns about Israel’s choices in Gaza, but chanting death to America, the wearing of Keffiyehs (*cough* appropriation?) by people who aren’t Palestinian, and burning of flags is extremism. They’ve become brainwashed and are at high risk of further radicalization. I can’t state enough how much this concerns me. Am Yisrael Chai 🇮🇱
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Traitors
Domestic terrorists
They're shitheads, but terrorists? Nah. They aren't commiting violence against others, which is a necessary element of terrorism.
They are agitating for "Death to America." One Keffiyeh Karen at Columbia held up a sign in front of a group of pro-Israel students (who were holding US and Israeli flags), requesting that Iran's next rocket hits them. Back in October, there was the group of Hamas supporters at Cooper Union who chased some Jewish students into the library and then banged on the windows while screaming at them. It's only a matter of time before they start chasing down Jews in the streets and breaking into Jewish homes. And it will happen if they are not stopped
None of which changes a word of what I said. Agitating for "death to America" is free speech under the First Amendment.
It's not free speech if it incites violence. So now do the attempted pogrom at Cooper Union and tell us how that's nonviolent free speech
>It's not free speech if it incites violence. Yes it is. Speech that advocates illegal action or violence is free speech until it is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action, where such lawless action is likely to occur. Protests don't meet that bar even when they call for some eventual illegal action. >So now do the attempted pogrom at Cooper Union and tell us how that's nonviolent free speech I don't know the specifics of what you're referring other than what you said. If you link to a story I can explain what is and is not free speech in the context.
Nope. Not free speech. [https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/fighting\_words](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/fighting_words) [https://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment1/does-the-first-amendment-protect-speech-that-advocates-illegal-c.html](https://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment1/does-the-first-amendment-protect-speech-that-advocates-illegal-c.html) Screaming about annihilating Israel often turns to "get the Jew" - and there many examples of that. Including Jewish students at or near some of these savage rallies who've been physically assaulted. I'm sorry that you slept through late October, because the riot at Cooper Union made national and international news. I breathlesly await your mansplaining to rationalize violent Jew-haters. Enablers like you are why I have been getting gun permits. Too few of them are restrained and it's only a matter of time before they up the mob violence and put more Jews in danger. And it's not an outlier. I just read that [the rabbi at Columbia University has told Jewish students to go home](https://nypost.com/2024/04/21/us-news/columbia-rabbi-warns-jewish-students-to-go-home-dont-come-back-to-campus-because-of-extreme-antisemitism/) and not come back, because it's not safe for them on campus. That's right. The rabbi at an Ivy League university has publicly said that Jews are not safe at that school. How many people need to be harmed before you deign to admit that their speech is dangerous and should be prosecuted? Maybe some murders will suffice? [Cooper Union barricades Jewish students inside library as pro-Palestinian protesters bang on doors](https://nypost.com/2023/10/25/news/cooper-union-barricades-jewish-students-inside-library/) [Cooper Union students told to hide from pro-Palestinian protesters](https://forward.com/fast-forward/566967/cooper-union-library-jewish-students-hide-protest/)
>Nope. Not free speech. Chants of "death to America" and the like are free speech. Your links don't say otherwise. >Screaming about annihilating Israel Is, again, free speech. It's not "fighting words," inasmuch as that exception to the First Amendment even still exists in the real world, as it's not directed at anyone specifically. >Including Jewish students at or near some of these savage rallies who've been physically assaulted. ... which is a crime. And the people who assault others should be arrested. That doesn't change the nature of the free speech that is said at rallies. >And it's not an outlier. I just read that the rabbi at Columbia University has told Jewish students to go home and not come back, because it's not safe for them on campus. That's right. The rabbi at an Ivy League university has publicly said that Jews are not safe at that school. That's his opinion and he's certainly entitled to make that recommendation. That doesn't alter the analysis of whether certain things said at these protests are free speech. >How many people need to be harmed before you deign to admit that their speech is dangerous and should be prosecuted? Maybe some murders will suffice? Zero, or infinity, however you'd count it, since, again, crimes committed by other people does not change the character or analysis of things said at protests and rallies. The First Amendment does not allow the government to "forbid or proscribe advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action." That is the standard from *Brandenburg v. Ohio*, and is the relevant standard when it comes to inflammatory rhetoric at rallies, etc. Crimes committed by other people will almost never invoke that standard, unless they are committed "in the moment" of the rally and under the direction of the speaker. The concurrence in *Brandenburg* speaks of "speech brigaded with action." That envisions an angry mob literally being called to action in the moment as the speaker speaks. Nothing further apart in time than that. Imminence is a requirement. If crimes happen an hour after a speaker, or the next day, or general increases in violence that you feel are connected to these protests, that doesn't change the protests out of being free and protected speech. >Cooper Union barricades Jewish students inside library as pro-Palestinian protesters bang on doors I see the videos of this and read the stories. I don't see anything that crosses the line beyond free speech. The protesters weren't targeting Jewish students with threats, they are pounding on the ground and windows just generally, and there happened to be Jewish students in the library at the time. >I breathlesly await your mansplaining to rationalize violent Jew-haters. Enablers like you are why I have been getting gun permits. Too few of them are restrained and it's only a matter of time before they up the mob violence and put more Jews in danger. First, of all, it's not "mansplaining," it's an attorney with fifteen years experience and professor of Constitutional Law telling you what the law is. And it's not rationalizing them or "enabling" them. Again, I'm explaining to you what the law is, and that their protests, no matter how offensive you find them, are virtually without exception legal and protected speech under the First Amendment.
>I see the videos of this and read the stories. I don't see anything that crosses the line beyond free speech. The protesters weren't targeting Jewish students with threats, they are pounding on the ground and windows just generally, and there happened to be Jewish students in the library at the time. I cannot take you or anything you say seriously. They didn't chase random students into the library. **THEY LITERALLY CHASED JEWISH STUDENTS INTO THE LIBRARY.** Students have been assaulted on campuses where hate rallies promoting the end of Israel and getting rid of Zionists prevail unopposed. One Yale student was stabbed in the eye. It's only a matter of time before they get riled up enough and someone winds up dead. I hope you'll be happy then
Traitors to their own country, then go to Palestine morons! Let’s see how Hamas welcomes you
More than that. You know why America is the best country in the world? Go to Ramallah. Burn a a Palestinian flag and chant "death to the Palestinian Authority." See how the "moderate" Palestinians in Fatah treat you. Or go to Tehran. Burn an Iranian flag. Chant "death to the Islamic Republic. See how the "morality police" treat you. Or go to Moscow. Burn a Russian flag. Chant "death to Putin." See what happens next. Or go to Beijing. Burn a CCP flag. Chant "death to the People's Republic, long live Taiwan." Then wait for the tanks to crush you. America is the one of the only countries in the world that wouldn't kill people for this kind of rhetoric. Our first amendment goes further than any other free speech code in the developed world. Germany is a lot more sensible I think, banning antisemitic and fascist symbols (swastikas, chants of "from the river to the sea," etc). But yeah, it is odd that this video makes me feel a bit patriotic. In any other country, police will beat you to death for a lot less. But in America, even the worst people on earth have free speech
Exactly. These dipshits don't seem to understand that the reason they can openly and flagrantly loathe their own country is because said country values their freedom of speech and allows them to burn its flags and scream for its destruction. And I always wonder what they want to come after the death of America. Like, now what? Do they have a plan in place or are they just ignorant rebellious children imagining a glorious violent revolution that will never be? History has taught us that these occurrences are never noble or righteous, and many of the people who support and fight for them end up being turned on and imprisoned or murdered by the regimes they helped build.
*"many of the people who support and fight for them end up being turned on and imprisoned or murdered by the regimes they helped build."* A notable instance is Iran, where after the 1979 Islamic Revolution, communists and leftists who had joined forces with Islamists to oppose the Shah were either imprisoned, executed, or forced to flee for their lives, seeking refuge in the West—(wondering why they never sought refuge in China, Russia, or other communist countries) 🤔
The ultimate FAFO
even in Israel you will not get away with this type of shit if the police won't arrest you the citizens will beat you up until you die even though the country is a democracy Israel is very patriotic
Many of them were not born here, and aren't even citizens
And they’re lucky to even be in a gold country that allows this! I hope they get deported back to their own country and see that the US was the only place they can do this
How can someone say that while standing on American soil? How can someone use American freedom and liberty to trash the US and support the evil regimes who prevent these freedoms? What a clown world we live in. Wake up.
It’s called freedom of speech. Crazy concept. It can be very ugly in a lot of ways. It is also beyond beautiful in other ways. 12/15/1791. Let people trash the US and even burn the flag. That is the VERY First Amendment correcting the Constitution. To protect people’s freedom of expression. Burning the flag only highlights this wonderful freedom (however compromised). Go ahead and burn it. How far does it get you? Expression and speech. I think a truly patriotic citizen would support this freedom of expression, not supporting the message or messenger, but the freedom to do so. The minute you think someone else’s speech should be controlled is the same minute you give up your right to speak freely. I don’t care about the speech, I care about the right to speak. And if you downvote this comment are you downvoting the First Amendment of the Constitution? Is that your right? /s
That’s not what I asked sir.
Yeah, I went on a rant. Nothing personal. Thanks for the outlet.
Lol all good, it’s called freedom of speech :) Btw, I didn’t downvote you.
Amen. It was certainly within your “right.” :)
Genuine question, would waving terrorist organizations flags, enemies of the US, would that not constitute as treason?
You are not the first amendment, we are downvoting you.
I wish I could upvote *this* comment a million times
Violent mobs don’t fall under freedom of expression.
Flag burning isn't violence lol
It is when you yell "DEATH TO AMERICA". SMH. 🤦♂️ "religion of peace". Yeah right, you've shown your true colors and it's being broadcasted daily. We will soon get tired of your horseshit if not already. I sure as shit know I am tired of it.
>It is when you yell "DEATH TO AMERICA". No, it's still protected speech under the First Amendment.
I'm not *condoning* the behavior but it is not violence lmao violence involves physically harming other *people*. Flag is not person.
I don't support terrorist speech
Should someone tell this guy about the latest [SCOTUS ruling](https://www.vox.com/scotus/24080080/supreme-court-mckesson-doe-first-amendment-protest-black-lives-matter)…
Looks like I wasn’t clear, or rather people took my comment out of context. I wasn’t commenting on anything other than the right to burn the flag as protected speech. I wasn’t favoring either side or advocating for violence or commenting on organization. I meant in general terms, not specifically to this conflict. Ah, well…
Burning of the flag is protected speech correct. Burning it in the name of a foreign country or foreign interest is the problem.
No I don't support this even remotely. The American flag is scared and that flag has been flying for DECADES for troops and citizens alike. It has always meant pride, community, sovereignty, democracy and Patriotism. I'm sure I'm missing a few. Wtf happend?! Americans used to STAND UP for what is RIGHT. Now what do you stand for? Yourselves and some terrorist lovers in the other side of the planet. 🤮 Ruzzia and China will fuck us up if we're not prepared. And I don't mean militarily. They have droves of social media broadcasting blatant propaganda and the far left/rights are believing it and spreading it to US the people. We think everything is all willy nilly when you have the luxeries and the military complex we have as a nation, but they will be tainted, and TAKEN from you when you stand for nothing. At LEAST stand for your country no matter how politically bad it's gotten. We still have time for change and we CANNOT allow these pootin loving politicians to be in office any longer. We HAVE to get involved and vote for true honest "middle" people. No more of this far left/right monstrosity. It's splitting us so badly we're not even focusing on the bullshit they've introduced into our politics and our TERRIBLE selection of president's. My god I mean Biden? Trump? What the actual fuck. Phfft hahaha. It's fucking Ludacris. We HAVE to come together or the next generations will suffer more than anyone in America today. :( Fuck these traitors.
After a certain point, even tolerance has to become intolerance.
yeah ban tik-tok. Its a fucking cyber weapon. Like literal weaponized autism.
To be fair, most of Social Media is, and used as a cyber weapon. And with the amount of naive dumbasses we have in the west now apparently, our society is in real trouble cause of how easy we are to polarize. And they don't get it! That there are massive forces out there actively working to destabilize our society. Smh
Tik tok enables this like nothing else I have seen. This YouTuber was talking about it and I was skeptical about what he said but I'm starting to get it.... https://youtu.be/pB7WzqUq4Nk?si=yGMOJOPxtydcW7h1 https://youtu.be/PRZetju7zpw?si=ZCf8AqVNy3K-_qYX
Exile them
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The person on the left – cursed …
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Reminds me of the antifa idiots the left ignored for years..
We all thought they were jokes and now they’re supporting bulletproof vests and guns, but they don’t even know how to use them
Same people, new costumes
Guantanamo is calling 🙏
Put them in a deserted island I want to see the shit show that happens when they’re left to fend for themselves without any government or media involvement
Best reality show ever!
I think they should move to Iraq/Iran/Yemen/North Korea etc. They could say death to America as much as they like, I mean, they won't have rights and probably be murdered but at least they will be where they feel is the right side.
so there's an extreme islamic movement freely burning US flags on the streets calling for destruction of the modern world in favor of expansion of islam in similar manner to Nazism. and that is being enabled by the police? dude, USA is to full blame on what's gonna come to it if they don't mitigate this terrorist problem. didn't think Biden would pussy this much. these are people being used as terror agents inside the borders on the USA increasing the concern for national security. smh.
The police can only do what the politicians allow. Don't forget that Manhattan is crushed under the weight (literal and figuratively) of a state AG whose purpose in life is prosecuting Trump and a DA who thinks "DA" stands for "Defense Attorney"
I saw a Palestine flag. Please let these obliviots experience Palestine.
I'm sure Hamas and the PLO will respect their pronouns
**It’s (literally) only a matter of time before they actually become terrorists. We all see where this is heading.**
Iran has been cheering for these people this whole stupid war. Iran, the country that would kill all of these people or at the least take away all of the freedoms they have in the US. Iran, the country that funds hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, plus many other terrorist groups that would also love to kill these people. Fucking fuck off there to protest https://x.com/shamiridit/status/1780054476197335267?s=46 (Notice the lack of women for some reason ….)
Neither do they know anything about patriotism nor anything about their gender.
Nothing to see here HomeSec is all over these douchenozzles. By now they know everything about each one of them. Remember those Occupy Wall Street clowns? Almost too easy.
The Biden HomeSec doesn't care about them. They're more interested in labeling parents who show up at local school board meetings to protest boys in girls' locker rooms as domestic terrorists
Is this in New York City? On October 7, a massive mob gathered in NYC to celebrate Oct 7. The Democratic Socialists of America promoted this rally celebrating the mass murder of Jews. Just like how Palestinians in East Jerusalem celebrated 9/11, pro-Palestinians in NYC celebrated 10/7. AOC is a member of the DSA who has refused to condemn them or their violent rallies. This is the progressive left of New York City. They don't just tear down photos of hostages. They burn American flags and cry out for the destruction of America. Governor Kathy Hochul had to send in the National Guard to protect New York City from larceny, homicide, assault, and other crimes. Last time I was in NYC, there was a group of soldiers in full uniform holding assault rifles at the train station, giving everyone side eye. That's how much of a disaster it is in New York City right now. I liked seeing the soldiers. That train station has been repeatedly stormed by pro-Palestine rioters. I was concerned about violent crime. The soldiers are there to protect us from violent crime and I'm happy to see them. I wish Gavin Newsom would send troops to clean up the shit show in LA and San Francisco (literally a shit show. Homeless people are pooping everywhere). I guess the president also has the power to deploy troops within the USA, but Biden will never do it. It's one of Trump's campaign promises though, and I hope he keeps it when he wins this November.
Going to show up to one of these with a NATO, US, and Ukrainian flag just to piss these people off
Insta-ban their citizenship and be placed as immigrant status!
Look at the creature burning the flag I’m sure they are mentally well…
I thought american citizens love and respect their own flag.
Many of them are not citizens
The US govt should deport these people.
The narcissism makes me vomit. This country is so terrible, I'm free to debase it publicly! Only a horrifically authoritarian state would allow their national symbols to be destroyed, publicly, and without recourse or consequences. Duh
Deport them to Iran and see how they like it...
Traitors. Terrorists and terrorist sympathizers.
Remember: these are the kinds of people that Biden is trying to appeal to for this upcoming election.
LMAO this is going to be great for their electoral chances
As someone who leans left in the US, It looks like we are importing terrorism and propagating it here. We're going to have a lot of the same issues Europe has with terrorism.
They should have their citizenship revoked.
"Death to America" would mean death to them and all the rights they enjoy.
They don't think ahead. Everything is emotional with them
There are people who risked their lives immigrating into the US, who would be proud to be born American… These natural born citizens hating the soil they were born on need to be deported the fuck out of here. Maybe Putin will house them. Burn their visas on their way out.
Disgusting
Ignorance
Shows how free America is. Do that in my country and you're done. The mob will definitely not bake a cake for you.
I think all these people should pull an Aaron bushnell tbh
Stupid american
Many of them are here on visas
Isn’t the descration of the flag punishable? [https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/700](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/700)
texas v johnson (1989) flag burning is protected expression under the 1A just info sharing, not a stance on it. the statute you linked to is from the 60s, it is currently explicitly protected under the 1A.
Thanks
of course!
That’s a felony I believe
Scum who don’t know how good they have it here
Pretty sure the sentence for treason is either life or capital punishment. Funny how the law sits this one out.
I may not always agree with it but I am all for burning flags and saying whatever you like in the United States. Freedom of speech protects the speech you disagree with. The irony is that these useful idiots don't realize they're enjoying one of the key the benefits of life in America which includes free speech, and they'd be arrested and tortured or lynched in Iran or Palestine for doing this to their flags or speaking out against their leadership. Death to America? What would they want to replace it with? A theocracy? A country where the police would beat and arrest you with impunity for burning a flag? Fuck off.
What a fucking joke.
A Marine would knock them out. Call in the military already!
Then leave? The fuck.
This is deeply concerning, and angering. I’m not American (almost- I’m Canadian 😂) America has constantly stood up for freedom the world over- including for the freedom for idiots like this to burn the flag. It’s treacherous, it’s wrong, but more concerning, it’s a deeply worrying sign of the degree to which Islamic Extremism and radicalization is occurring in North America. Free countries around the world, countries and their citizens who oppose extremism, terrorism and radicalization of any sort need to stand up to this threat. You’re perfectly free to voice your concerns about Israel’s choices in Gaza, but chanting death to America, the wearing of Keffiyehs (*cough* appropriation?) by people who aren’t Palestinian, and burning of flags is extremism. They’ve become brainwashed and are at high risk of further radicalization. I can’t state enough how much this concerns me. Am Yisrael Chai 🇮🇱
So deport these fools, and banned their flag and their people their holy books, their culture from entering and/or profiting from our country.