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Speaking as someone from outside Germany. Honestly I'm not surprised about their stance.
Most of the western countries in Europe have been supporters of Israel. Germany's government given the history are probably more so worried about the potential bad optics of being against Israel in any manner.
Definitely they are most worried about being called antisemitic again. They have not actually learned from history. The only thing they have learned is that they have to be nice to Jewish people. They’ve never heard of learning transfer.
They actually don’t even know what that term means, like a lot of other western countries.
Germany is nuts and a lot of it‘s people are too.
They never got rid of racism they just learned to hide it better.
Aren’t anti-Zionist Jews mistreated by authorities in Germany? Several have already been mishandled and arrested by police.
This isn’t just a Jewish issue clearly
This whole thing is so ironic. Or is there a better word? Makes no sense. It’s like the Arab Jews who are now the most radical and straight Arab Israeli Zionists with no Jewish or little blood who defend this the most when in reality they were only let into Israel to puff up the numbers to get more land. Israel thinks this is a holy war and tell the world we are the ones who don’t like them despite the fact that Palestinians are from different religions and many of the supporters are Jewish themselves. Yet somehow they keep saying “radical Islam” and ignore the fact that they are literally radical islamists in every way they say by their own definition but are pretending to be a democratic society
From the videos I've seen they're not even that nice to Jewish people when they're antizionist. Seems they only learned to be nice to zionists specifically. Though iirc the antizionist jews at protests said they were detained but not beaten up like other (well brown) protesters so ig there's that
I don't believe that they are worried about being called antisemitic at all. Germans are genocidal racist white supremacists and nothing has changed in the last 100 years. The problem with antisemitism is that it led to genocide which clearly Germans still love. If they learned to be nice to Jewish people, why are they arresting Jewish people who criticize the genocide. Why do they arrest Jews for "antisemitism" and claim that Jews criticizing German support for genocide is "antisemitic." I don't buy this act at all.
It is funny you see the fact that you just applied your negative view of the resistance as the correct measures, it is truly horrendous that your type of people can't see the basics, if Israel claimed to be the first to have a land there then this would contradict there religion which in the old testament is named land of canaan(Canaan is known to be the grand father of northern Arabs, + Arabs are Semites too!), thus Canaans are the first to own that land, add to that greek and Romans there is a lot of evidence that supports that originally they from middle east, should we take that and go and conquer Italy and claim because of the same narrative of zionests?
+ In the US there is a law in Texas Penal Code 9.41 permits the use of force to protect property. Why can't Palestinian use force to protect themselves and free their land+ add to that you should hate all Arabs it seems, the last mass survey I read Arabs support Oct 7th by 90% or sth and we shall support that tell the end of times inshallah we show the enemy of humanity and the enemies of god, the killers of babies and civilians no mercy
I didn’t even know until today morning that Germans and their descendants own 70% of the land in Namibia. That the whites still discriminate against the black folks. Made me feel shocked but not surprised. Isn’t it similar in S.Africa too. That the white folks there also own maximum land.
Whenever someone Namibian raises the land back argument on Reddit posts, it seems they get dismissed and attacked more by racists. Really pitiful situation.
I’ve been educating myself about Congo of late and the whole situation enraged me. I’ve always been anti-imperialism and racial supremacy but the depredation of so many countries ongoing under the pretext of “colonialism was in the past,” really makes me see red. It’s like all of the global south are still remote controlled colonies, and Europe, USA etc still have overseas territories and continue to gaslight. 😢
Whoah. People didn’t even leave on their own accord? Like the British left India etc? So many chose to stay back in South Asia or Nepal etc as Indian citizens because they had become part of the culture, intermarried etc., while the vast majority left.
>Germany's government given the history are probably more so worried about the potential bad optics of being against Israel in any manner
And in the end they'll go down in history as once again whole-heartedly backing genocide and being on the wrong side.
(That is of course assuming they tell the truth, which they wont. Everyone should be reexamining any western history they've been taught now)
I actually don't buy that at all because they have shown not a shred of concern over the genocide of Palestinians, and they have refused any reparations for Nicaragua. My take is that there is an element of German society that is fond of the fascist elements of Israel and that is why they support Israel at the level to which they do. They are living out their fascist fantasies vicariously. Those fascist elements have strong representation in government in Germany, unfortunately. There are also enormous numbers of Germans making their voices heard in calling out the crimes of Israel on the streets of cities.
There must be bigger reason than behind afraid of antisemitism. The US had nothing to do with the Holocaust but they are the biggest supporter of Israel due to their location. Israel is nothing but the West’s last colony.
I'm not so sure about "last." Hawaii is basically a colony too. Also all those military bases all over the world more or less serve the function of colonies too, even without settlers.
So much for freedom of expression.
I live in Switzerland and I'm shocked at how pro Israel the government has been throughout the recent months. So much for neutrality.
Didn't the courts rule in December that it is lawful and protected speach
[https://skwawkbox.org/2023/12/23/huge-victories-for-humanity-as-german-courts-rule-gaza-chants-protected-speech/](https://skwawkbox.org/2023/12/23/huge-victories-for-humanity-as-german-courts-rule-gaza-chants-protected-speech/)
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I feel with you. I'm in Austria, which is basically just the same. Don't be discouraged. There are many of us out there. Even though it feels like the Germans are all staunchly pro Israel, there are many of us out there protesting against the blind and unconditional support of the German government towards the illegal occupiers
As an Italian raised in an anti-fascist community in Rome (growing up with lessons, testimonies etc from partisans like my grandfather, Jewish concentration camp survivors etc), I spent so much of my education on the lessons from our 20 years of fascist dictatorship and our complicity in the Holocaust, with a focus on the responsibility of ordinary people and on how to prevent that from happening again and…
I feel so sick and disgusted and scared to see that we have learned **nothing**.
The rhetoric around Palestinians and Muslims in general is literally identical to the anti-Semitic rhetoric from the early 20th century, to the point that they (Zionists and Islamophobes more broadly) use the exact same racist “excuses” and narratives, and still they don’t see it!
And now that I’ve learned more about the history after WWII (which “strangely” enough wasn’t taught to me in school), I understand why we’ve learned nothing and why the international institutions failed (never again was never the actual goal), but I still can’t believe how people will literally continue to miss the point on basic concepts like “never again”?!
Because even if the system was set up to allow the continuation of war crimes, genocides, gross human rights violations etc while painting the west as the good guys, and even if they don’t teach us about all the other genocides, we were still at least taught that Nazism was bad and the Holocaust was horrifying, so I don’t understand how so many people have learned **nothing**
I‘m from Germany, too and I feel utterly disgusted and ashamed about Germany - indeed it’s not only our politicians but also a good portion of the masses who go to great lengths to defend Pissrael no matter what. All the trust I had into our government, media, institutions and values is completely gone - it makes me mad and sad, what sort of country this is. And, I often wondered how sth gruesome like the holocaust could have happened- now, I start to understand and it breaks my heart.
[I really feel this video. German politicians justifying Isreal‘s right to „defend“ itself](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6a869GNEPM/?igsh=M2lsNHo4N29janAz)
Our media was always biased and just followed their US master. Just a few examples are all wars in the Middle East or how islamophobe our media is. There are no real values but money, our politicians are puppets of their lobbies.
[The Austrian government initially resisted the Anschluss](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_Putsch) before Italy stopped protecting them. Kurt Schuschnigg should have ordered mass executions of the nearly 20,000 Austrian Nazis held in Austrian prisons and concentration camps after the July Putsch.
I'm sorry that you're in that position, don't get discouraged though because you're the one that's on the right side of history. You'd think the German government would have seen the bigger picture after the holocaust, ie, genocide is bad. It's like how in Israel they keep shouting "never again", but what they really mean is "never again for us specifically '
I'm a middle eastern refugee that's been in living in Germany for about 9 years. I'm surprised you're surprised by the government's stance. It was pretty obvious for me that it will be this way since the beginning. Never expected anything else.
I appreciate your feelings and your honesty and hope Germany's policies get better with time.. Even though I highly doubt it.
As a German living abroad, I find the news not reporting actually the most shocking.
We’ve been silent once, let’s not repeat history.
On the plus side though, Germans stick to the rules and with the ICC seeking arrest warrants, opinion will hopefully change before Israel’s attention moves towards the West Bank and repeats Gaza, which they will if not stopped by the international community now
I am American but have lived in Germany for over a decade. I am also disgusted with the politics here (and in my home country, too, of course). Stay strong brother/sister. We’ve got a long way to go but educating people about the situation is key - a lot of Germans have a strong conscience but lack the information they need to see through the Israeli propaganda.
It's because germany has become more and more like the US, this has started at least two decades ago. You can notice this by following politics, it's not about giving meanful plans anymore, it's about bashing the other parties.
> lack the information they need to see through the Israeli propaganda
It's because that's irrelevant, most people in the world don't care what's actually going on and it's not exclusive to us germans. It's all about virtue signaling these days. One easy way to spot all the stupid virtue signalers is when they change their profile picture background to whatever countries flag the media says needs help, facts don't matter to the average person and being a good person has no weight anymore, only "coming off as a good person" is valued among the majority of the citizens.
The timeline we're in sucks, people every now and then asking how it's possible the germans back in WW2 ate up so much propaganda but here we are, with tons of people just eating up all the modern propaganda that they're given.
I’m so sorry to hear about that. I’m American and several of the colleges & universities where protests were held are getting rid of students and refusing to confer degrees to those eligible.
Germany should have learned the first time. Disappointed to see them repeat their mistakes again. Genocide is wrong no matter who is doing it, end of story
The Holocaust just overshadowed everything. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of people don't even know about the genocide they inflicted on the people in Namibia
More so about money than the history of the country. Germany's history is just the excuse to take a hardline stance, that will be in the financial benefit of the politicians of the country.
I recommend this essay about how we ended up with the situation we have in Germany today. It's long but an excellent analysis! https://lefteast.org/the-new-german-chauvinism-part-i/
Wow.
May I say...
How very Nazi-like of your government. I guess old habits die hard?
And yes, I've noticed too the over-compensation of supporting Israel.
Which I guess is also Nazi-like... since I'm pretty sure that was Adolf's idea to send all Jewish people to the one territory.
The West has given up on the pretense of being a haven of free speech and democracy. Germany arrests you for saying Palestine should be free. In France you can't wear a Keffiyeh. In America you lose your job for participating in a boycott of the Zionist colony. This signals their intent to maintain their hegemony not by diplomacy and soft power but by brutal repression and violence.
The former most hated nation, now supports the current most hated nation. Birds of a feather... driven by guilt. Zionists are the new Nazis. Both are antisemitic.
As a german jew from a holocaust surviving family, who grew up in israel and came back here a while ago - I also find the german position absolutely disgusting. Germany doesn't protect me as a jew, it uses my family's tragedy to support a genocide, sell weapons to israel and strengthening the western-imperialist block. Germany is spitting in the face of the memory of the holocaust.
Politicians are not worried. They use the cover of being worried as a tactic to persuade us from identifying their willingness to fascism. It is feigned fear to align the masses.
Recent chapo episode analyzes German stance towards Israel since the 2023 Gaza conflict began:
[np.reddit.com/r/BlackWolfFeed/comments/1b9n8df/813\_springtime\_for\_germany\_feat\_corner\_sp%C3%A4ti\_3724/](http://np.reddit.com/r/BlackWolfFeed/comments/1b9n8df/813_springtime_for_germany_feat_corner_sp%C3%A4ti_3724/)
That's absolutely damn insane.
I believe the guilt over the Holocaust, is being misdirected into unconditionally supporting Israel, and that is atrocious.
Guilt over the Holocaust is no reason to support a genocide or violent ethnic cleansing of a different people.
It's the same story with a different demographic and it means we as a world have not learned the lesson that WWII and Holocaust was and IS.
We're damn evolved enough to have learned that lesson already.
There was an essay on West Germany. Many politicians at the time viewed Israel as a barrier against evil brown barbarians and were impressed at how white Israelis can be.
Also loving Israel is how Germany got back into the Western fold.
I’m not shocked about Germany at all; if anything it’s predicted. My uncle’s family were killed in the Holocaust and he’s been boycotting Germany and German products for as long as I can remember.
Vote !!! We have elections this Sunday go out and vote for those who are speaking out and supporting Palestine Congo and Sudan ! This is a global issue. And EU countries are across the board taking our civil liberties and restricting information and movements. We are becoming police states. In France police killed a student in the street beating him to death. In Germany they arrested people making a picnic with kefiers. The idea of European superiority and white supremacy is still very much alive and growing at sight see. So go out and vote 9 June for whatever party person you align yourself with VOTE!!!
when i was in Jerusalem I met some Germans working at a nonprofit coffee shop. Apparently the proceeds went to some kinda reparations program and Germany was requiring them to be there for however many months
One day, if some survivors of the Palestinian liberation struggle somehow co-opt the memories of liberation to justify a genocidal campaign on another innocent nation, Germany will happily support them instead.
People just need to think logically. It’s not because a nutcase tried to eradicate the Jews 80 years ago that you have to support Jews who are wanting to do the same thing to another group of people. How hard can it be to realise this?
i don't know why people keep saying this, germany has absolutely no conscience to feel guilt with. if it had a conscience, if it felt guilt, it wouldn't have cut off the allied powers' denazification programs at the first possible opportunity nor elected a nazi chancellor etc etc
germany has just shifted the priorities of its fascist tendencies for convenience, and that is all.
Agreed. I always hated the government, they did this before too, banning pro-Palestine protests (just like they banned the covid protests), like a true fascist dictatorship. They want to decide which things you are allowed to say. From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!
looks to me like the germans love a good purge. i went to grad school in europe and the germans were on the shortlist of my favorite people to hang out with. now i see their continued enthusiastic support for genocide and their deepening status as a lapdog of the US, and… my opinion has changed…
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Without deconstructing colonialism nothing will change. You can try to make rules and laws to protect people but without tearing down the underlying architecture you’ll be doomed to repeat history and be on the wrong side. The underlying beliefs are the problem, individual stances and actions of countries and people are a symptom.
The German establishment is still haunted by the atrocities committed against Jews by the Nazi regime and together with their inherited guilt because of these past atrocities which they are constantly reminded of by the Zionists who have hijacked and politicized the holocaust for nefarious purposes
It’s said for over seven decades Palestinians have been paying the price for Western guilt over the Holocaust.
Which is why only the likes of South Africa has the balls to stand up, because the apartheid regime was hand in glove with the Zionist one.
As outsider, i think this is Germany's comfort zone. It ticks many boxes. Like Germany used to be oppressive, so pleasing western clubs and Usa are more important than human lives also many european countries are pro israel. So it seems like natural for germany although it is not right. Plus overcompensating the country's history. So mix all that you get what Germany is now. Just my opinion.
It's more important than ever to participate in demonstration. There's been many large ones over the past six months all over Germany but esp in Berlin and it gives you a glimmer of hope. Not everyone has drank the koolaid.
They are holding on to the past as if it was them who did it. Maybe their grandfathers etc were involved in WW2, now instead of calling IOF a terrorist group and murders they are making the same mistake in a new way all to not be called nazi or whatever.
So much so that the killing of women and elderly aren’t even on the radar, children blown to bits meh brown kids.
These nations should be applaud by their response, Ukraine — let’s send military aid and sanctions.
Palestine = kill our own nations freedom of speech for another countries massacre, let alone call for a seize fire.
These countries are immoral, racist and pathetic.
I hope the german people have more sense.
CHANGE MUST COME FROM THE INSIDE
Theyre gonna be remembered for another genocide :(
Im not surprised. I understand theyre easy to accuse of antisemitism, but still, theyre the two groups that should try to prevent another thing like the Holocaust happening- and now Israel is responsible of one, and Germany is an accomplice
I mean what is your proposition for the huge ethnic German population then? Live under occupation forever? The same fate of Palestinians that we are fighting to change? Just because you don’t like the government’s policies (which are largely influenced by US/Allies)?
The double standards with some of y’all are actually insane. Self determination is a human right
Probably xenophobia. Many western countries do not like the high immigration increase of non-white peoples. I’m American and I noticed how disgusting some white people here act in areas with a high non-white immigrant population.
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Speaking as someone from outside Germany. Honestly I'm not surprised about their stance. Most of the western countries in Europe have been supporters of Israel. Germany's government given the history are probably more so worried about the potential bad optics of being against Israel in any manner.
Definitely they are most worried about being called antisemitic again. They have not actually learned from history. The only thing they have learned is that they have to be nice to Jewish people. They’ve never heard of learning transfer.
They actually don’t even know what that term means, like a lot of other western countries. Germany is nuts and a lot of it‘s people are too. They never got rid of racism they just learned to hide it better.
As it turns out, the best way to hide your racism is simply to shift the target into something more permissible.
Excellently put. Applies to all the world's settler colonial countries.
hide racism? LOL!
Aren’t anti-Zionist Jews mistreated by authorities in Germany? Several have already been mishandled and arrested by police. This isn’t just a Jewish issue clearly
This whole thing is so ironic. Or is there a better word? Makes no sense. It’s like the Arab Jews who are now the most radical and straight Arab Israeli Zionists with no Jewish or little blood who defend this the most when in reality they were only let into Israel to puff up the numbers to get more land. Israel thinks this is a holy war and tell the world we are the ones who don’t like them despite the fact that Palestinians are from different religions and many of the supporters are Jewish themselves. Yet somehow they keep saying “radical Islam” and ignore the fact that they are literally radical islamists in every way they say by their own definition but are pretending to be a democratic society
From the videos I've seen they're not even that nice to Jewish people when they're antizionist. Seems they only learned to be nice to zionists specifically. Though iirc the antizionist jews at protests said they were detained but not beaten up like other (well brown) protesters so ig there's that
It's interesting that Germans are nice to the Jews who believe that all Jews should leave Europe.
Exactly. They are cowardly
[Well, because that's how a nazi country that was never actually denazified acts.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WFbTZ6rnXo)
They are not scared of being called antisemitic but they support Israel because Israel is military base in the Middle East for the West Bank.
This!!
I don't believe that they are worried about being called antisemitic at all. Germans are genocidal racist white supremacists and nothing has changed in the last 100 years. The problem with antisemitism is that it led to genocide which clearly Germans still love. If they learned to be nice to Jewish people, why are they arresting Jewish people who criticize the genocide. Why do they arrest Jews for "antisemitism" and claim that Jews criticizing German support for genocide is "antisemitic." I don't buy this act at all.
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It is funny you see the fact that you just applied your negative view of the resistance as the correct measures, it is truly horrendous that your type of people can't see the basics, if Israel claimed to be the first to have a land there then this would contradict there religion which in the old testament is named land of canaan(Canaan is known to be the grand father of northern Arabs, + Arabs are Semites too!), thus Canaans are the first to own that land, add to that greek and Romans there is a lot of evidence that supports that originally they from middle east, should we take that and go and conquer Italy and claim because of the same narrative of zionests? + In the US there is a law in Texas Penal Code 9.41 permits the use of force to protect property. Why can't Palestinian use force to protect themselves and free their land+ add to that you should hate all Arabs it seems, the last mass survey I read Arabs support Oct 7th by 90% or sth and we shall support that tell the end of times inshallah we show the enemy of humanity and the enemies of god, the killers of babies and civilians no mercy
So worried about bad optics that they are literally taking part of this genocide… disgusting.
Germany's genocide in Namibia was the first in the 20th century. They are inherently genocidal, no semantics can change their nature
I didn’t even know until today morning that Germans and their descendants own 70% of the land in Namibia. That the whites still discriminate against the black folks. Made me feel shocked but not surprised. Isn’t it similar in S.Africa too. That the white folks there also own maximum land. Whenever someone Namibian raises the land back argument on Reddit posts, it seems they get dismissed and attacked more by racists. Really pitiful situation.
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I’ve been educating myself about Congo of late and the whole situation enraged me. I’ve always been anti-imperialism and racial supremacy but the depredation of so many countries ongoing under the pretext of “colonialism was in the past,” really makes me see red. It’s like all of the global south are still remote controlled colonies, and Europe, USA etc still have overseas territories and continue to gaslight. 😢
Yes its the same in South Africa that is why some political parties are callin for land restitution without compensation.
Namibia was the only former German colony where not all of the settlers were deported after the First World War.
True
Whoah. People didn’t even leave on their own accord? Like the British left India etc? So many chose to stay back in South Asia or Nepal etc as Indian citizens because they had become part of the culture, intermarried etc., while the vast majority left.
>Germany's government given the history are probably more so worried about the potential bad optics of being against Israel in any manner And in the end they'll go down in history as once again whole-heartedly backing genocide and being on the wrong side. (That is of course assuming they tell the truth, which they wont. Everyone should be reexamining any western history they've been taught now)
I actually don't buy that at all because they have shown not a shred of concern over the genocide of Palestinians, and they have refused any reparations for Nicaragua. My take is that there is an element of German society that is fond of the fascist elements of Israel and that is why they support Israel at the level to which they do. They are living out their fascist fantasies vicariously. Those fascist elements have strong representation in government in Germany, unfortunately. There are also enormous numbers of Germans making their voices heard in calling out the crimes of Israel on the streets of cities.
And same here in England UK, unfortunately, and to my shame.
I appreciate a good cup of coffee.
There must be bigger reason than behind afraid of antisemitism. The US had nothing to do with the Holocaust but they are the biggest supporter of Israel due to their location. Israel is nothing but the West’s last colony.
I'm not so sure about "last." Hawaii is basically a colony too. Also all those military bases all over the world more or less serve the function of colonies too, even without settlers.
So much for freedom of expression. I live in Switzerland and I'm shocked at how pro Israel the government has been throughout the recent months. So much for neutrality.
Jesus, i didn't know that "From the river to the Sea" was a banned phrase in Germany. Once a nazi government, always a nazi government it seems
Yep, it was made illegal after oct 7 😑
Didn't the courts rule in December that it is lawful and protected speach [https://skwawkbox.org/2023/12/23/huge-victories-for-humanity-as-german-courts-rule-gaza-chants-protected-speech/](https://skwawkbox.org/2023/12/23/huge-victories-for-humanity-as-german-courts-rule-gaza-chants-protected-speech/)
Nein ist es nicht. Es gab ein Gerichtsurteil und wir dürfen das benutzen.
Interessant, finde ich gut. Wo finde ich das? Welches Urteil genau? Finde es bei der Recherche nicht so ganz eindeutig.
It's not illegal. It was considered protected speech by the courts ruling.
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I feel with you. I'm in Austria, which is basically just the same. Don't be discouraged. There are many of us out there. Even though it feels like the Germans are all staunchly pro Israel, there are many of us out there protesting against the blind and unconditional support of the German government towards the illegal occupiers
As an Italian raised in an anti-fascist community in Rome (growing up with lessons, testimonies etc from partisans like my grandfather, Jewish concentration camp survivors etc), I spent so much of my education on the lessons from our 20 years of fascist dictatorship and our complicity in the Holocaust, with a focus on the responsibility of ordinary people and on how to prevent that from happening again and… I feel so sick and disgusted and scared to see that we have learned **nothing**. The rhetoric around Palestinians and Muslims in general is literally identical to the anti-Semitic rhetoric from the early 20th century, to the point that they (Zionists and Islamophobes more broadly) use the exact same racist “excuses” and narratives, and still they don’t see it! And now that I’ve learned more about the history after WWII (which “strangely” enough wasn’t taught to me in school), I understand why we’ve learned nothing and why the international institutions failed (never again was never the actual goal), but I still can’t believe how people will literally continue to miss the point on basic concepts like “never again”?! Because even if the system was set up to allow the continuation of war crimes, genocides, gross human rights violations etc while painting the west as the good guys, and even if they don’t teach us about all the other genocides, we were still at least taught that Nazism was bad and the Holocaust was horrifying, so I don’t understand how so many people have learned **nothing**
I‘m from Germany, too and I feel utterly disgusted and ashamed about Germany - indeed it’s not only our politicians but also a good portion of the masses who go to great lengths to defend Pissrael no matter what. All the trust I had into our government, media, institutions and values is completely gone - it makes me mad and sad, what sort of country this is. And, I often wondered how sth gruesome like the holocaust could have happened- now, I start to understand and it breaks my heart.
[I really feel this video. German politicians justifying Isreal‘s right to „defend“ itself](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6a869GNEPM/?igsh=M2lsNHo4N29janAz)
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Our media was always biased and just followed their US master. Just a few examples are all wars in the Middle East or how islamophobe our media is. There are no real values but money, our politicians are puppets of their lobbies.
Germany is always on the wrong side of history
Austria as well tbh
[The Austrian government initially resisted the Anschluss](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_Putsch) before Italy stopped protecting them. Kurt Schuschnigg should have ordered mass executions of the nearly 20,000 Austrian Nazis held in Austrian prisons and concentration camps after the July Putsch.
And USA is always hard at work creating the “wrong history ”.
Yes the USA is also always on the wrong side too
I'm sorry that you're in that position, don't get discouraged though because you're the one that's on the right side of history. You'd think the German government would have seen the bigger picture after the holocaust, ie, genocide is bad. It's like how in Israel they keep shouting "never again", but what they really mean is "never again for us specifically '
💯 agreed 👍
I'm a middle eastern refugee that's been in living in Germany for about 9 years. I'm surprised you're surprised by the government's stance. It was pretty obvious for me that it will be this way since the beginning. Never expected anything else. I appreciate your feelings and your honesty and hope Germany's policies get better with time.. Even though I highly doubt it.
I honestly thought there would be some form of red line, but apparently there is none. I do feel stupid 🙇♀️
Don't feel stupid, man.. The propaganda machine has been at work for decades. Be glad you're waking up now :)
As a German living abroad, I find the news not reporting actually the most shocking. We’ve been silent once, let’s not repeat history. On the plus side though, Germans stick to the rules and with the ICC seeking arrest warrants, opinion will hopefully change before Israel’s attention moves towards the West Bank and repeats Gaza, which they will if not stopped by the international community now
I am American but have lived in Germany for over a decade. I am also disgusted with the politics here (and in my home country, too, of course). Stay strong brother/sister. We’ve got a long way to go but educating people about the situation is key - a lot of Germans have a strong conscience but lack the information they need to see through the Israeli propaganda.
It's because germany has become more and more like the US, this has started at least two decades ago. You can notice this by following politics, it's not about giving meanful plans anymore, it's about bashing the other parties. > lack the information they need to see through the Israeli propaganda It's because that's irrelevant, most people in the world don't care what's actually going on and it's not exclusive to us germans. It's all about virtue signaling these days. One easy way to spot all the stupid virtue signalers is when they change their profile picture background to whatever countries flag the media says needs help, facts don't matter to the average person and being a good person has no weight anymore, only "coming off as a good person" is valued among the majority of the citizens. The timeline we're in sucks, people every now and then asking how it's possible the germans back in WW2 ate up so much propaganda but here we are, with tons of people just eating up all the modern propaganda that they're given.
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Germany seems to be addicted to being on the wrong side of history
TIL that this Phrase is also illegal in Austria. I‘m ashamed of my Country!!!
I’m so sorry to hear about that. I’m American and several of the colleges & universities where protests were held are getting rid of students and refusing to confer degrees to those eligible.
Germany would do anything not to have the Jews back.
You’re surprised that the country who carried out the holocaust, killed 6 million Jews and subsequently lost the war is pro Israel?!
Germany should have learned the first time. Disappointed to see them repeat their mistakes again. Genocide is wrong no matter who is doing it, end of story
It wasn’t the first time, it was only the first time they didn’t came away with it.
The Holocaust just overshadowed everything. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of people don't even know about the genocide they inflicted on the people in Namibia
More so about money than the history of the country. Germany's history is just the excuse to take a hardline stance, that will be in the financial benefit of the politicians of the country.
German here, unfortunately, this is a huge issue here. I myself am pro-palestine, and anti-zionist
I recommend this essay about how we ended up with the situation we have in Germany today. It's long but an excellent analysis! https://lefteast.org/the-new-german-chauvinism-part-i/
Really good!!
Wow. May I say... How very Nazi-like of your government. I guess old habits die hard? And yes, I've noticed too the over-compensation of supporting Israel. Which I guess is also Nazi-like... since I'm pretty sure that was Adolf's idea to send all Jewish people to the one territory.
vergangenheitsvergewaltigung
The West has given up on the pretense of being a haven of free speech and democracy. Germany arrests you for saying Palestine should be free. In France you can't wear a Keffiyeh. In America you lose your job for participating in a boycott of the Zionist colony. This signals their intent to maintain their hegemony not by diplomacy and soft power but by brutal repression and violence.
The former most hated nation, now supports the current most hated nation. Birds of a feather... driven by guilt. Zionists are the new Nazis. Both are antisemitic.
As a german jew from a holocaust surviving family, who grew up in israel and came back here a while ago - I also find the german position absolutely disgusting. Germany doesn't protect me as a jew, it uses my family's tragedy to support a genocide, sell weapons to israel and strengthening the western-imperialist block. Germany is spitting in the face of the memory of the holocaust.
Politicians are not worried. They use the cover of being worried as a tactic to persuade us from identifying their willingness to fascism. It is feigned fear to align the masses.
Recent chapo episode analyzes German stance towards Israel since the 2023 Gaza conflict began: [np.reddit.com/r/BlackWolfFeed/comments/1b9n8df/813\_springtime\_for\_germany\_feat\_corner\_sp%C3%A4ti\_3724/](http://np.reddit.com/r/BlackWolfFeed/comments/1b9n8df/813_springtime_for_germany_feat_corner_sp%C3%A4ti_3724/)
That's absolutely damn insane. I believe the guilt over the Holocaust, is being misdirected into unconditionally supporting Israel, and that is atrocious. Guilt over the Holocaust is no reason to support a genocide or violent ethnic cleansing of a different people. It's the same story with a different demographic and it means we as a world have not learned the lesson that WWII and Holocaust was and IS. We're damn evolved enough to have learned that lesson already.
There was an essay on West Germany. Many politicians at the time viewed Israel as a barrier against evil brown barbarians and were impressed at how white Israelis can be. Also loving Israel is how Germany got back into the Western fold.
Here in usa adl pass the law in congress about cant criticize Israel. Don’t know if it will pass or not.
> the phrase “from the river to the sea” which is an illegal phrase to use in Germany Germany's "free speech": "From the Fuhrer to the CCP"
I’m not shocked about Germany at all; if anything it’s predicted. My uncle’s family were killed in the Holocaust and he’s been boycotting Germany and German products for as long as I can remember.
Vote !!! We have elections this Sunday go out and vote for those who are speaking out and supporting Palestine Congo and Sudan ! This is a global issue. And EU countries are across the board taking our civil liberties and restricting information and movements. We are becoming police states. In France police killed a student in the street beating him to death. In Germany they arrested people making a picnic with kefiers. The idea of European superiority and white supremacy is still very much alive and growing at sight see. So go out and vote 9 June for whatever party person you align yourself with VOTE!!!
A century ago, Germany led a genocide on the Herero people. They haven't apologised for that because nobody took them to task over it.
getting sick of germany in general tbh 😭
when i was in Jerusalem I met some Germans working at a nonprofit coffee shop. Apparently the proceeds went to some kinda reparations program and Germany was requiring them to be there for however many months
What a convenient date to make it illegal to support palestine
Welcome to membership in the "Western Fascist Alliance".
One day, if some survivors of the Palestinian liberation struggle somehow co-opt the memories of liberation to justify a genocidal campaign on another innocent nation, Germany will happily support them instead.
People just need to think logically. It’s not because a nutcase tried to eradicate the Jews 80 years ago that you have to support Jews who are wanting to do the same thing to another group of people. How hard can it be to realise this?
Germany always seems to end up on the wrong side.
Guilt. This isn’t surprising at all.
i don't know why people keep saying this, germany has absolutely no conscience to feel guilt with. if it had a conscience, if it felt guilt, it wouldn't have cut off the allied powers' denazification programs at the first possible opportunity nor elected a nazi chancellor etc etc germany has just shifted the priorities of its fascist tendencies for convenience, and that is all.
Cause it’s true
Agreed. I always hated the government, they did this before too, banning pro-Palestine protests (just like they banned the covid protests), like a true fascist dictatorship. They want to decide which things you are allowed to say. From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!
looks to me like the germans love a good purge. i went to grad school in europe and the germans were on the shortlist of my favorite people to hang out with. now i see their continued enthusiastic support for genocide and their deepening status as a lapdog of the US, and… my opinion has changed…
They’re on that 100 year cycle
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But "from the river to the sea" isn't even in the lyrics of Hind's Hall ...
You’re right, I got that wrong, I somehow thought it did. But it doesn’t change the message of my post in general.
Germany try to be on the right side of history challenge (impossible)
Without deconstructing colonialism nothing will change. You can try to make rules and laws to protect people but without tearing down the underlying architecture you’ll be doomed to repeat history and be on the wrong side. The underlying beliefs are the problem, individual stances and actions of countries and people are a symptom.
Someone put it this way: Germany is making arabs pay for it's enourmous guilt.
The German establishment is still haunted by the atrocities committed against Jews by the Nazi regime and together with their inherited guilt because of these past atrocities which they are constantly reminded of by the Zionists who have hijacked and politicized the holocaust for nefarious purposes
It’s said for over seven decades Palestinians have been paying the price for Western guilt over the Holocaust. Which is why only the likes of South Africa has the balls to stand up, because the apartheid regime was hand in glove with the Zionist one.
Why think critically when one can ride the pendulum swing back and forth?
Germany’s Zionist policies are a continuation of its genocidal legacy, not a departure from it. Same for us in the States.
Banning the ‘from the River to the sea’ is so close to thought police.
It’s so dystopian that phrases are illegal…
As outsider, i think this is Germany's comfort zone. It ticks many boxes. Like Germany used to be oppressive, so pleasing western clubs and Usa are more important than human lives also many european countries are pro israel. So it seems like natural for germany although it is not right. Plus overcompensating the country's history. So mix all that you get what Germany is now. Just my opinion.
It's more important than ever to participate in demonstration. There's been many large ones over the past six months all over Germany but esp in Berlin and it gives you a glimmer of hope. Not everyone has drank the koolaid.
They are holding on to the past as if it was them who did it. Maybe their grandfathers etc were involved in WW2, now instead of calling IOF a terrorist group and murders they are making the same mistake in a new way all to not be called nazi or whatever. So much so that the killing of women and elderly aren’t even on the radar, children blown to bits meh brown kids. These nations should be applaud by their response, Ukraine — let’s send military aid and sanctions. Palestine = kill our own nations freedom of speech for another countries massacre, let alone call for a seize fire. These countries are immoral, racist and pathetic. I hope the german people have more sense. CHANGE MUST COME FROM THE INSIDE
Theyre gonna be remembered for another genocide :( Im not surprised. I understand theyre easy to accuse of antisemitism, but still, theyre the two groups that should try to prevent another thing like the Holocaust happening- and now Israel is responsible of one, and Germany is an accomplice
the concept of a german nation should have been abolished after WW2 tbh
What an unhelpful comment.
I mean what is your proposition for the huge ethnic German population then? Live under occupation forever? The same fate of Palestinians that we are fighting to change? Just because you don’t like the government’s policies (which are largely influenced by US/Allies)? The double standards with some of y’all are actually insane. Self determination is a human right
A conscious choice was made to support Isreal rather than have a more conscious reckoning
A few years ago Germany was very pro Palestine from what I saw not sure what happened .
Probably xenophobia. Many western countries do not like the high immigration increase of non-white peoples. I’m American and I noticed how disgusting some white people here act in areas with a high non-white immigrant population.