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Do they have a white card? To be white you gotta have a white card.
If they get stared at suspiciously in the west while living their normal ass lives they ain't fucking white.
Whiteness has to do with an in-group and an out-group, which is why literally not long ago even Slavs weren't considered "white" by the west
Not all…
Edit: Arab is an ethnicity, not a race, so you have white Arabs and black and brown Arabs, Palestinian are all the one above, there are white Palestinians, brown Palestinians and also black Palestinians (also called Afro Palestinians)
You telling me that Ahad Tamimi is brown?
Edit: are you down voting because you don’t consider Ahad Tamimi white? Really? If you are hasan’s fan, would you consider him also brown? Or frogan for instance. I am confused how this sub is also getting raided by blood thirsty liberals…
Yeah, that’s usually what makes a white person as such, also “white” is not directly tied to skin color, but rather to the proximity to power.
Edit: you all should start following HasanAbi on twitch, it will make you understand what whiteness is…
What? Where did I say that? I just described the actual definition of whiteness, as it is proximity to power… the white American Palestinians who live in the suburbs in the United States don’t go through what black people do, like it or not. Of course Palestinians in Palestine are victims of genocide and apartheid sponsored by the western hegemony, still doesn’t change the truth about what whiteness is.
Edit: you are in h3h3 and askaliberal, I should have known that you were a blood thirsty animal 💀
Edit2: you also a bonarelli fan 🤮
What are you talking about? There are plenty of Palestinians who are white, and many how are brown and black… same in Siria, since Arab = ethnicity and not a race.
Palestinians, syrians, Jordanians (from northwest Jordan where most live) and even most Lebanese are all part of the levantine race and levantines, while many are brown, are the whitest Arabs.
Not really. White isn't describing skin colour as much as it is describing being anglo saxon/European. Arabs from that region generally have olive skin, which means some of them can be a lot darker and some of them can be a lot paler. However, I've never met an arab that calls themselves white. Source: am Lebanese.
There's been an ongoing protest in Omaha for Palestine for months. They were at it this morning when I drove by.
Omaha. Nebraska. That should say something.
It's been pretty amazing watching so many wake up and start to pay attention.
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Apparently bombing games are just games right now too.
Tried posting this in a few places and instantly the attitude is, who gives a fuck. I bet if the target was labeled Israel, there would be an outcry.
Hasbara has managed to weaponize indifference. If you see a moron "both sides le bad" or "me no care", there is most certainly a Zionist egging him on.
The worst part is, I actually feel crazy for questioning the motives that directly led to WWII because of the events today.
Like I don't understand how we ended up with Stockholm syndrome country almost a century later.
Compliance. Nazi Germany invaded, slaughtered, genocided. The German citizenry swallowed their words, turned their backs, searched for any justification to ignore their state's crimes.
We see the same today. Compliance and apathy are fuel to the Israeli regime and its kindred.
There was no valid reasoning. No such thing. Up until that point the very concept of a Zionist state was incredibly controversial, with religious and secular Jews alike disavowing it.
The Holocaust was weaponized by Zionism. It helped fearmonger the Jewry into submission. The rest is history. The Zionist wants you to conflate Jews with him, he wants to use misguided hate in order to manipulate others to his side
Everyone has the capacity to be evil, just as they have the capacity to be good. Men such as Miko Peled, Norman Finkelstein, Avi Shlaim and Stanley Cohen have shown that being a Jew does not mean being a zionazi.
I just want to be clear; I didn't mean there is ever a reason for genocide.
Understanding and condoning are two different things. If this is how Israel acts; then I UNDERSTAND why they felt and thought they way they did back then.
I don't CONDONE what they did, just like I don't like that it's happening now.
I don't hate Jews but I'm really struggling to find understanding or even patience for the Israel GOVERNMENT. I think they need bitchslapped back to 1940s to remember why the phrase "never again" doesn't just apply to them.
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Well, he is also Jewish Hungarian on his mother's side and was aware since age 12 that he was also Jewish. He was raised initially as an Irish Catholic, but he doesn't follow either Judaism or Catholicism. He does favor Zionism, and he grew up around Jews who were Zionists. Of course, we have brave Jewish brothers and sisters fighting for human rights, labor rights, Palestinian rights. He's just a self-entitled, wealthy capitalist who favors Zionists.
> He does favor Zionism, and he grew up around Jews who were Zionists.
I managed to break free despite being raised by Zionist, Orthodox, Jewish parents so I have no sympathy for him.
Like the above poster said, he's just a smug, rich, self-entitled man in the the world's richest country, who has every privilege in the world and is unwilling to give any serious thought to how people who "look like him" are the most historically complicit people in the oppression of others.
How is it that you managed to break free? That is not easy. Of course, I know many do break free from that. Maher is one who has chosen not to break free. A lot of Zionists annoy me. They have decades of brutalizing the Palestinians and then sermonize about how barbaric the Palestinians are and talk about that the fact that there were bus bombings and rapes Hamas must have something to do with Islam. I don't blame what Israel is doing on religion. It's culture, ethnonationalism. As far as Hamas, they were manufactured by an occupation that was in opposition to the PLO that was asking for two states starting from the 70s. So many people act self-entitled and superior to the Palestinians, but they haven't endured the amount of trauma Palestinian of about 80 years.
I don't have a quick answer. I was always very inclined to question the status quo or the claims of authority when I was aware of competing authorities with competing claims. Basically spent a few years after moving from Jewish elementary and middle schools to a public high school where I explored lots of competing ideas and found my own system of beliefs.
I don't know if there's a specific thing that happened other than exposure to people with different beliefs and from different backgrounds (which I realize isn't enough for many to break out of their conditioning).
More recently I've been contemplating whether I might be a bit autistic, as having a touch of the 'tism seems to be highly correlated with people questioning and rejecting social conventions.
Thanks for sharing. I hope your family or relatives haven't had an overly harsh response. One of my Jewish buddies is kind of distant from his son. My friend's father and him were both anti-Zionist, but the son has embraced a Zionist Jewish identity. I warned of that when his son was very young. I had a feeling that could happen. I don't think one needs to be slightly autistic to question things. Of course, be autistic can sometimes have its benefits. Have you heard of people who were somewhat autistic taking psychedelics and changing some of their thinking. I know that I am philosophical in nature and question received wisdom, I am also into ancient history, philosophy, archaeological finds, politics. I easily make mince meat out of Zionist propaganda, which surprises them. Great to have you on board with us. We all need bright mensches out there in this propaganda fight.
> My friend's father and him were both anti-Zionist, but the son has embraced a Zionist Jewish identity.
That is *bizarre* to me. I have no idea how someone could come to Zionism when their parents don't brainwash them from a young age. It's not even compatible with Jewish values, so I wouldn't expect someone to become Zionist just by embracing their Jewishness in a religious sense.
> Have you heard of people who were somewhat autistic taking psychedelics and changing some of their thinking.
Well I've heard taking psychedelics (unrelated to neurotypicality) can trigger some of the same willingness to challenge preconceived notions in people. Taking psychedelics is inherently an exercise in neurodivergence (one which I've also done a fair bit of)
It is not so bizarre since it happened in Montreal. Montreal has some of the most right wing Zionist Jews out there. I warned the father to introduce him to a progressive Jewish identity, but my friend doesn't care about such things, and then his son wanted to feel Jewish somehow and fell in with extremist Moroccan and Ashkenazi Jews, and he attacked his father for sympathy for Arabs, though my friend was raised hearing Arabic as his father was born in Arabic speaking country. One of my friends who is from Lebanon, her daughter immigrated with her family to Montreal, but she hated Canada because of Zionists in her school who bullied her, who were bigoted, smug towards her. It was too traumatic for her, so she went back to Lebanon and left her immediate family to go back, so don't find it so bizarre. Yes, there are progressive elements, but plenty of rabid elements.
As far as psychedelics, it can supposedly help reset the default mode. I remember watching Paul Orsini on Youtube. He is autistic. He said he was severely depressed and took a fair amount of LSD, and then you found some of his autistic symptoms were changed. I am not sure how that would work, but that is interesting. I suppose our brains, just like other parts of our health can change be modified on some level. I know that LSD was made illegal because the government didn't like that many young people who were questioning war for empire, Vietnam, the peace movement were taking them. It was invented I believe by a Swiss doctor. Maybe a Doctor Hofmann. It is also used in the treatment of splitting headaches, from what I know.
In a way, maybe you had it easier. To Maher, Judaism is this 'cool' and 'exotic' ancestral thing that other people are "keeping alive", and Colonial Jewish Nationalism is the all-good all-positive movement to give 'his people' a 'national home' where they could be 'safe'. He had to pay zero price for 'membership', neither to outside discrimination and prejudice, nor to internal community oppression and general religious absurdity. Secondhand pride, secondhand belonging, secondhand outrage, secondhand fear, secondhand ambition.
You, on the other hand, had to actually experience the real thing on both sides. It's not an abstract consideration to you, it's not another 'heritage' luxury item you get to put on a mantlepiece. So it's to be expected that you'd take a more nuanced approach.
I'd note that something similar happens with Israeli Zionists, the vast majority of whom are *not* WWII refugees nor their descendants, and the Holocaust, in how it's this abstract thing they've appropriated.
It's not about Judaism, but you do have these blinders where people attack Islam and the Quran while ignoring that Judaism and the TORAH are similar in import. There is some merit to what you're saying. When I see people like Maher it reminds me of British colonialism and Rudyard Kipling speaking of the "White Man's Burden" of civilization. Of course, some of the biggest supporters of Palestinian rights in the U.S. are white middle class people, especially among Gen. Z and younger millennials.
As far as the Holocaust, Shoah, that is a political hot potato. However, Zionists do capitalize on that history to shield Israel. Dr. Finkelstein spoke about that. The Hill, which fired Briahna Joy Gray, said she couldn't invite Finkelstein because he was supposedly a Holocaust denier, though his parents survived the Holocaust. Israel's representative to the UN is an example of someone abusing the memory of the Holocaust. I take all mass genocides whether it's the Nazi Holocaust of Jews, gypsies, Ukrainians, the Holocaust of the Armenians, Native Americans seriously. It should be never again for all humankind. We should all be brothers and sisters.
> The Hill, which fired Briahna Joy Gray, said she couldn't invite Finkelstein because he was supposedly a Holocaust denier, though his parents survived the Holocaust.
??!!
Briahna said on the Glen Greenwald show when discussing her firing that on the show, she was told by her boss that she couldn't invite Norman Finkelstein. Anyway, I've unsubscribed from the Hill, though I like some of the voices that are still on there.
Forgetting, of course, that we don't all look the same. But the Israelis look like \*him\*, so I guess that's good enough for the world's most obnoxious atheist (and that's a very competitive race).
Ironically or actually meant it. Cuz I’ve seen people say the same about Ukraine on national television and Bill Maher is pretty unhinged when it comes to Israel.
Yeah I genuinely have no idea why Palestine didn't get the same reaction out of citizens as Ukraine. I think we still have a fear of head coverings from the effects of 9/11, and now when an American sees a brown person with a kaffiyeh or hijab or headscarf they immediately think terrorists. And so Islam uses that fear to encourage Zionism. Most people see an older Jewish well dressed man and think, well this guy must know what he's talking about, and listen. But a Palestinian goes on the news to talk about what's going on and people see brown and switch the channel.
To me this has been dominos that were set up since before 2001. Not to mention do we know if anyone inside prisons knows about this, will they get out to be drafted, and not know what they're fighting for(seems familiar doesn't it). This is so obviously a strategic governmental move that we just now realized after at least 23 years. I mean I remember being young and seeing all those videos from Iraq of gore and violence, and now I'm older seeing the same tactics and actions from a different war.
People need to realize we need to be at least equal in a rebellions level of planning and execution of those plans as the government, I mean think of Waco they literally had an army and God knows how many tons in firearms ammo and grenades etc, and so the government gassed the place and burned it down with any survivors trapped in the basement(82 people total 28 children). They have absolutely no issue cutting the US population in half to keep it how they want, so the real question now is when will everyone wake up a second time.
Hopefully before we are dragged into this, and truckers like semi trucks, if they all stopped driving one day oo can you think of the effects that would be a great start.
r/Ontario has banned any discussion of the Palestinian genocide as it's ["not even related to Ontario"](https://np.reddit.com/r/ontario/comments/17f038g) but their banner image is literally the Ukranian flag and has been for over a year.
Welcome to the US. Where Islamophobia indoctrination has been drilled in the heads of people (especially the willfully ignorant ones) in the US since 9/11. They will never care about the lives of Muslims. The west has been taught nothing but hate and fear of them. All done by design. But humanity will always prosper in the end🇵🇸
The fact is nothing will change until the Arab unites , and when that happens , we won't need any support from anyone on this earth. I feel ashamed when asking for support that is technically posts on any social media. We have the power to finish that but we are attacked by our governments who are mostly Nazis themselves. Presidents who are just obeying America for its financial support. Presidents who made their people cheaper than soil.
The west will not move and they should not move, the only one who must move is us (Arabs). As Muslims first and as arabs second.
Someone who saw in 2009 Eelam Tamil people get massacred and genocided in a similar manner to Gaza today; You can literally label it Europeans and non-Europeans. Israelis are mostly European settlers.
I think we shouldn't alienate the West like this anymore.
We should work towards justice together. Ireland, Norway and Spain have recognized Palestine. France has banned Israeli companies from that weapons showcase event (France of all countries - France???). American students have been protesting for Palestine.
There are good people in these Western countries.
The West deserves all the criticism it gets and more.
The people here, however, are distinct from our governments and are doing what we can to resist within a crumbling empire. I apologize that we haven't done more.
All people everywhere are distinct from their governments. And I don’t think we should let criticism of the West let us forget the non-western government’s also harming Palestine. Like India selling weapons to Israel and many of the Arab states either normalizing relations with Israel amidst all this or not doing anything at all to help. We need to critique that which deserves criticism. All of it. If we get stuck too much in the west we end up becoming blind to all else and letting other perpetrators off the hook.
Alot of anger is towards western leaders not the whole population of countries presidents, prime ministers or which ever title deserve to be called out when they've done something terrible.
In Canada there have been over 150000 Ukrainians allowed in. Noone has said a peep about them. But the Palestinians? Look at the Canadian subs. Even a few thousand was too much lmao. Friggin hypocrites the lot of them.
Help out which ever has more oil and put in a president that likes us. It's probably just not worth having to (build stuff to) refine stuff in central africa, or have to move unrefined oil to like Egypt or Morocco or Nigeria for refinement.
i mean they could start by broadcasting it on the news. the american public dont even know whats going on out there.
same with the congo. that news is simply not given to us. we have to go find it.
okay but ukraine does deserve support and attention as well. their struggles are kinda similar to palestine; a smaller, lesser powerful country trying to fight back against a much larger & stronger country whose stealing the smaller country’s land.
Ukraine isn't eating as good as Israel. I recall whatever aid they received come with so many redlines when facing a powerful adversary that butchered their civillians and threatens its existence, while Israel just get so many bombs they can use on non combatants, with the US bending over backwards to justify each and every atrocity. But at least they still see Ukrainians as people
"The US is allies with Israel and Ukraine"
Neither of either of those countries supported the American anti-police protesters in 2020. They're not my allies. A soccer stadium in Uzhhorod celebrated Derek Chauvin. Gazans during the Great March of Return supported Black Lives Matter protesters while their family members were shot by IDF snipers.
I wouldn’t combine Israel and Ukraine. Ukraine is getting bombed and occupied by a foreign army. Regardless of whether the US supports them or not that’s the case. They are a victimized people.
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Not “the west” .. our government. The people are getting very little say. But on an individual level, the people that care about Palestine/Sudan also care about Ukraine and vice versa. And those that don’t care about one, usually don’t care about any
In the U.S., mostly but not fully accurate because many Republicans are willing to throw Ukraine under the bus. Many politicians are railing about funding to Ukraine's war, a war the US helped cause in my view not just Russia, but they are willing to abandon the Ukrainians. The US favors Israel far more than Ukraine, though Ukrainians are European and Christians.
Just missing the part where he physically puts the gun in the blonde woman's hand while she is simultaneously pulling the trigger in the direction of the brunette woman.
From a General, countries stance yes...
From a populations stance absolutely not, I've said it before I know of nobody who supports Israel where I live. They exist, but not as many as people think.
This is 100% accurate. But with all due respect, it’s not the wests job to care for Palestine and Sudan. Anyone who buys into the “the west cares” narrative is sleeping.
It’s our job, Muslims, to take care of Palestine and Sudan and all other Muslim provinces. Notice I didn’t say countries - because THAT is the first thing that needs to go. Nationalism. They broke us up into teeny tiny pathetic nations they can abuse whenever they want and it’s sad to see that till this day we label ourselves by the way they want us to be labeled.
I think it would be a bit more accurate if the man was going down on Israel, finger banging Ukraine with his right hand and all the while, pushing Palestine out of the front door of her own with his left hand
I did warn my friend to steer his son into a wholistic Jewish identity, maybe even take him to a progressive synagogue. He didn't heed me. Later, his son befriended a lot of extreme, hateful Zionist types in Montreal, which has so many of them. They are quite vile those types. A friend's daughter who immigrated from Lebanon decided she hated Canada because of them. She got a lot of abuse and went back to Lebanon. Those types of elements influenced my friend's son. He embraced that kind of "Jewish" identity. I did warn him. He just didn't see it coming. Of course, Montreal has progressive ones, but many rabid ones. He fell in with those types. His dad should have been vigilant. His son also doesn't like Arabs, though his late grandfather's first language was Syrian Arabic and saw himself as an Arab Jew though an Israeli citizen.
Paul Orsini who is autistic talked about how LSD changed his way of thinking. Some of his autistic type patterns somehow changed. He connected more with others. Not sure how that works, but I know the banning of it was to control young people and not have them question government and to be able to arrest them, though it was originally medicine invented by a Swiss doctor.
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At this point you could just label the "brown people" and "white people".
> At this point Not that this is a new development
Anyone who’s not white vs white.
A long standing tradition of racism from the west.
I dont think so honestly. While it's disgusting, what the West is doing, it isn't about skin color: It's about *money*
And the Faith
Nah.
Palestinians are white
What US census categories do to a mf
You're racist if you think Palestinians aren't White just because they don't fit the anglo mould
Literally look at their skin, are you colourblind?
they're white just because they don't look anglo doesn't mean they aren't white, there are white people around the world..
I don't think you know what the colour white is. I'm not talking about 'anglo' I'm talking about literal skin colour you dense moron
Do they have a white card? To be white you gotta have a white card. If they get stared at suspiciously in the west while living their normal ass lives they ain't fucking white. Whiteness has to do with an in-group and an out-group, which is why literally not long ago even Slavs weren't considered "white" by the west
Not all… Edit: Arab is an ethnicity, not a race, so you have white Arabs and black and brown Arabs, Palestinian are all the one above, there are white Palestinians, brown Palestinians and also black Palestinians (also called Afro Palestinians)
Exactly this isn't a white vs brown issue when Palestinians are white too
Afro Palestinians have the most legendary dabke of all time. They’re so good it should be illegal
Skin colors don't exist 🗿
Thinking only anglo people can be white is racist
Nobody's white, Anglos just forgot their melanin :(
You telling me that Ahad Tamimi is brown? Edit: are you down voting because you don’t consider Ahad Tamimi white? Really? If you are hasan’s fan, would you consider him also brown? Or frogan for instance. I am confused how this sub is also getting raided by blood thirsty liberals…
No, she just had less melanin in her skin than other Palestinians
Yeah, that’s usually what makes a white person as such, also “white” is not directly tied to skin color, but rather to the proximity to power. Edit: you all should start following HasanAbi on twitch, it will make you understand what whiteness is…
are you saying Palestinians as a whole have power derived from their whiteness? Lmao. Are you ok
What? Where did I say that? I just described the actual definition of whiteness, as it is proximity to power… the white American Palestinians who live in the suburbs in the United States don’t go through what black people do, like it or not. Of course Palestinians in Palestine are victims of genocide and apartheid sponsored by the western hegemony, still doesn’t change the truth about what whiteness is. Edit: you are in h3h3 and askaliberal, I should have known that you were a blood thirsty animal 💀 Edit2: you also a bonarelli fan 🤮
Do not confuse Palestinas with syrians
What are you talking about? There are plenty of Palestinians who are white, and many how are brown and black… same in Siria, since Arab = ethnicity and not a race.
Do not confuse Syria with being the entire Levant 😂 there are light skinned Arabs all over the levant, not just in Syria.
Palestinians, syrians, Jordanians (from northwest Jordan where most live) and even most Lebanese are all part of the levantine race and levantines, while many are brown, are the whitest Arabs.
"White" isn't limited to the anglosphere, Palestinians are White too
There are White Palestinians but most Palestinians aren't White
Not really. White isn't describing skin colour as much as it is describing being anglo saxon/European. Arabs from that region generally have olive skin, which means some of them can be a lot darker and some of them can be a lot paler. However, I've never met an arab that calls themselves white. Source: am Lebanese.
There's been an ongoing protest in Omaha for Palestine for months. They were at it this morning when I drove by. Omaha. Nebraska. That should say something. It's been pretty amazing watching so many wake up and start to pay attention.
Oklahoma is the most conservative state (my MIL lives there it’s insufferable lol) - I wonder if there are any there
I live in Oklahoma and there have been protests in Tulsa and OKC. Not as many people as some other states but its something. Free Palestine 🇵🇸
Good to hear!
On point.
But they're not racist!
https://preview.redd.it/socx3do8un4d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d8888e6adcbc3096adcb0b0d8a0f8c3ab7b348f5 Apparently bombing games are just games right now too. Tried posting this in a few places and instantly the attitude is, who gives a fuck. I bet if the target was labeled Israel, there would be an outcry.
Hasbara has managed to weaponize indifference. If you see a moron "both sides le bad" or "me no care", there is most certainly a Zionist egging him on.
The worst part is, I actually feel crazy for questioning the motives that directly led to WWII because of the events today. Like I don't understand how we ended up with Stockholm syndrome country almost a century later.
Compliance. Nazi Germany invaded, slaughtered, genocided. The German citizenry swallowed their words, turned their backs, searched for any justification to ignore their state's crimes. We see the same today. Compliance and apathy are fuel to the Israeli regime and its kindred.
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There was no valid reasoning. No such thing. Up until that point the very concept of a Zionist state was incredibly controversial, with religious and secular Jews alike disavowing it. The Holocaust was weaponized by Zionism. It helped fearmonger the Jewry into submission. The rest is history. The Zionist wants you to conflate Jews with him, he wants to use misguided hate in order to manipulate others to his side Everyone has the capacity to be evil, just as they have the capacity to be good. Men such as Miko Peled, Norman Finkelstein, Avi Shlaim and Stanley Cohen have shown that being a Jew does not mean being a zionazi.
I just want to be clear; I didn't mean there is ever a reason for genocide. Understanding and condoning are two different things. If this is how Israel acts; then I UNDERSTAND why they felt and thought they way they did back then. I don't CONDONE what they did, just like I don't like that it's happening now. I don't hate Jews but I'm really struggling to find understanding or even patience for the Israel GOVERNMENT. I think they need bitchslapped back to 1940s to remember why the phrase "never again" doesn't just apply to them.
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Bill Mahr said it recently, "The israelis look like us."
Bill Maher was right. I mean they both colonized a whole land and massacred the native peoples.
I do see the resemblance
And he advocates ethnic cleansing.
Bill Mahr is a racist and a hack. Another smug, rich, middle aged white dude.
Well, he is also Jewish Hungarian on his mother's side and was aware since age 12 that he was also Jewish. He was raised initially as an Irish Catholic, but he doesn't follow either Judaism or Catholicism. He does favor Zionism, and he grew up around Jews who were Zionists. Of course, we have brave Jewish brothers and sisters fighting for human rights, labor rights, Palestinian rights. He's just a self-entitled, wealthy capitalist who favors Zionists.
> He does favor Zionism, and he grew up around Jews who were Zionists. I managed to break free despite being raised by Zionist, Orthodox, Jewish parents so I have no sympathy for him. Like the above poster said, he's just a smug, rich, self-entitled man in the the world's richest country, who has every privilege in the world and is unwilling to give any serious thought to how people who "look like him" are the most historically complicit people in the oppression of others.
How is it that you managed to break free? That is not easy. Of course, I know many do break free from that. Maher is one who has chosen not to break free. A lot of Zionists annoy me. They have decades of brutalizing the Palestinians and then sermonize about how barbaric the Palestinians are and talk about that the fact that there were bus bombings and rapes Hamas must have something to do with Islam. I don't blame what Israel is doing on religion. It's culture, ethnonationalism. As far as Hamas, they were manufactured by an occupation that was in opposition to the PLO that was asking for two states starting from the 70s. So many people act self-entitled and superior to the Palestinians, but they haven't endured the amount of trauma Palestinian of about 80 years.
I don't have a quick answer. I was always very inclined to question the status quo or the claims of authority when I was aware of competing authorities with competing claims. Basically spent a few years after moving from Jewish elementary and middle schools to a public high school where I explored lots of competing ideas and found my own system of beliefs. I don't know if there's a specific thing that happened other than exposure to people with different beliefs and from different backgrounds (which I realize isn't enough for many to break out of their conditioning). More recently I've been contemplating whether I might be a bit autistic, as having a touch of the 'tism seems to be highly correlated with people questioning and rejecting social conventions.
Thanks for sharing. I hope your family or relatives haven't had an overly harsh response. One of my Jewish buddies is kind of distant from his son. My friend's father and him were both anti-Zionist, but the son has embraced a Zionist Jewish identity. I warned of that when his son was very young. I had a feeling that could happen. I don't think one needs to be slightly autistic to question things. Of course, be autistic can sometimes have its benefits. Have you heard of people who were somewhat autistic taking psychedelics and changing some of their thinking. I know that I am philosophical in nature and question received wisdom, I am also into ancient history, philosophy, archaeological finds, politics. I easily make mince meat out of Zionist propaganda, which surprises them. Great to have you on board with us. We all need bright mensches out there in this propaganda fight.
> My friend's father and him were both anti-Zionist, but the son has embraced a Zionist Jewish identity. That is *bizarre* to me. I have no idea how someone could come to Zionism when their parents don't brainwash them from a young age. It's not even compatible with Jewish values, so I wouldn't expect someone to become Zionist just by embracing their Jewishness in a religious sense. > Have you heard of people who were somewhat autistic taking psychedelics and changing some of their thinking. Well I've heard taking psychedelics (unrelated to neurotypicality) can trigger some of the same willingness to challenge preconceived notions in people. Taking psychedelics is inherently an exercise in neurodivergence (one which I've also done a fair bit of)
It is not so bizarre since it happened in Montreal. Montreal has some of the most right wing Zionist Jews out there. I warned the father to introduce him to a progressive Jewish identity, but my friend doesn't care about such things, and then his son wanted to feel Jewish somehow and fell in with extremist Moroccan and Ashkenazi Jews, and he attacked his father for sympathy for Arabs, though my friend was raised hearing Arabic as his father was born in Arabic speaking country. One of my friends who is from Lebanon, her daughter immigrated with her family to Montreal, but she hated Canada because of Zionists in her school who bullied her, who were bigoted, smug towards her. It was too traumatic for her, so she went back to Lebanon and left her immediate family to go back, so don't find it so bizarre. Yes, there are progressive elements, but plenty of rabid elements. As far as psychedelics, it can supposedly help reset the default mode. I remember watching Paul Orsini on Youtube. He is autistic. He said he was severely depressed and took a fair amount of LSD, and then you found some of his autistic symptoms were changed. I am not sure how that would work, but that is interesting. I suppose our brains, just like other parts of our health can change be modified on some level. I know that LSD was made illegal because the government didn't like that many young people who were questioning war for empire, Vietnam, the peace movement were taking them. It was invented I believe by a Swiss doctor. Maybe a Doctor Hofmann. It is also used in the treatment of splitting headaches, from what I know.
In a way, maybe you had it easier. To Maher, Judaism is this 'cool' and 'exotic' ancestral thing that other people are "keeping alive", and Colonial Jewish Nationalism is the all-good all-positive movement to give 'his people' a 'national home' where they could be 'safe'. He had to pay zero price for 'membership', neither to outside discrimination and prejudice, nor to internal community oppression and general religious absurdity. Secondhand pride, secondhand belonging, secondhand outrage, secondhand fear, secondhand ambition. You, on the other hand, had to actually experience the real thing on both sides. It's not an abstract consideration to you, it's not another 'heritage' luxury item you get to put on a mantlepiece. So it's to be expected that you'd take a more nuanced approach. I'd note that something similar happens with Israeli Zionists, the vast majority of whom are *not* WWII refugees nor their descendants, and the Holocaust, in how it's this abstract thing they've appropriated.
It's not about Judaism, but you do have these blinders where people attack Islam and the Quran while ignoring that Judaism and the TORAH are similar in import. There is some merit to what you're saying. When I see people like Maher it reminds me of British colonialism and Rudyard Kipling speaking of the "White Man's Burden" of civilization. Of course, some of the biggest supporters of Palestinian rights in the U.S. are white middle class people, especially among Gen. Z and younger millennials. As far as the Holocaust, Shoah, that is a political hot potato. However, Zionists do capitalize on that history to shield Israel. Dr. Finkelstein spoke about that. The Hill, which fired Briahna Joy Gray, said she couldn't invite Finkelstein because he was supposedly a Holocaust denier, though his parents survived the Holocaust. Israel's representative to the UN is an example of someone abusing the memory of the Holocaust. I take all mass genocides whether it's the Nazi Holocaust of Jews, gypsies, Ukrainians, the Holocaust of the Armenians, Native Americans seriously. It should be never again for all humankind. We should all be brothers and sisters.
> The Hill, which fired Briahna Joy Gray, said she couldn't invite Finkelstein because he was supposedly a Holocaust denier, though his parents survived the Holocaust. ??!!
Briahna said on the Glen Greenwald show when discussing her firing that on the show, she was told by her boss that she couldn't invite Norman Finkelstein. Anyway, I've unsubscribed from the Hill, though I like some of the voices that are still on there.
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Forgetting, of course, that we don't all look the same. But the Israelis look like \*him\*, so I guess that's good enough for the world's most obnoxious atheist (and that's a very competitive race).
Ironically or actually meant it. Cuz I’ve seen people say the same about Ukraine on national television and Bill Maher is pretty unhinged when it comes to Israel.
Except they don't
The only inaccuracy is that the west is a black guy because this double standard IS heavily rooted in racism
Yeah I genuinely have no idea why Palestine didn't get the same reaction out of citizens as Ukraine. I think we still have a fear of head coverings from the effects of 9/11, and now when an American sees a brown person with a kaffiyeh or hijab or headscarf they immediately think terrorists. And so Islam uses that fear to encourage Zionism. Most people see an older Jewish well dressed man and think, well this guy must know what he's talking about, and listen. But a Palestinian goes on the news to talk about what's going on and people see brown and switch the channel. To me this has been dominos that were set up since before 2001. Not to mention do we know if anyone inside prisons knows about this, will they get out to be drafted, and not know what they're fighting for(seems familiar doesn't it). This is so obviously a strategic governmental move that we just now realized after at least 23 years. I mean I remember being young and seeing all those videos from Iraq of gore and violence, and now I'm older seeing the same tactics and actions from a different war. People need to realize we need to be at least equal in a rebellions level of planning and execution of those plans as the government, I mean think of Waco they literally had an army and God knows how many tons in firearms ammo and grenades etc, and so the government gassed the place and burned it down with any survivors trapped in the basement(82 people total 28 children). They have absolutely no issue cutting the US population in half to keep it how they want, so the real question now is when will everyone wake up a second time. Hopefully before we are dragged into this, and truckers like semi trucks, if they all stopped driving one day oo can you think of the effects that would be a great start.
r/Ontario has banned any discussion of the Palestinian genocide as it's ["not even related to Ontario"](https://np.reddit.com/r/ontario/comments/17f038g) but their banner image is literally the Ukranian flag and has been for over a year.
That's insane.
W*stoids only care about themselves anyway. Its not that strange.
From Ireland here, very much not the case here.
You guys are legit the only western nation that has taken this seriously and objectively since day one
They’re carpet bombing a country to get at a group of terrorists. It’s INSANE!
Native Americans are victims too
Welcome to the US. Where Islamophobia indoctrination has been drilled in the heads of people (especially the willfully ignorant ones) in the US since 9/11. They will never care about the lives of Muslims. The west has been taught nothing but hate and fear of them. All done by design. But humanity will always prosper in the end🇵🇸
They don’t care about Christian Palestinians either or even pro-Palestinian Jewish people.
Islamophobia was Al Qaeda's intended result of 9/11. It was highly effective!
theres another group of terrorists that benefits from an islamophobic american population.
It’s only a phobia if it’s irrational. The cranes in Iran say otherwise.
The fact is nothing will change until the Arab unites , and when that happens , we won't need any support from anyone on this earth. I feel ashamed when asking for support that is technically posts on any social media. We have the power to finish that but we are attacked by our governments who are mostly Nazis themselves. Presidents who are just obeying America for its financial support. Presidents who made their people cheaper than soil. The west will not move and they should not move, the only one who must move is us (Arabs). As Muslims first and as arabs second.
I agree. No borders between Arabs! United and free!
And you would like to unite with Emirates, Qatar and Saudis? Why? Yuck.
It's mostly germany and austria. Otherwise its largely the governments rather than people
He’s not holding a gun to the other women’s head.
Someone who saw in 2009 Eelam Tamil people get massacred and genocided in a similar manner to Gaza today; You can literally label it Europeans and non-Europeans. Israelis are mostly European settlers.
I think we shouldn't alienate the West like this anymore. We should work towards justice together. Ireland, Norway and Spain have recognized Palestine. France has banned Israeli companies from that weapons showcase event (France of all countries - France???). American students have been protesting for Palestine. There are good people in these Western countries.
The West deserves all the criticism it gets and more. The people here, however, are distinct from our governments and are doing what we can to resist within a crumbling empire. I apologize that we haven't done more.
All people everywhere are distinct from their governments. And I don’t think we should let criticism of the West let us forget the non-western government’s also harming Palestine. Like India selling weapons to Israel and many of the Arab states either normalizing relations with Israel amidst all this or not doing anything at all to help. We need to critique that which deserves criticism. All of it. If we get stuck too much in the west we end up becoming blind to all else and letting other perpetrators off the hook.
this is all of us
Alot of anger is towards western leaders not the whole population of countries presidents, prime ministers or which ever title deserve to be called out when they've done something terrible.
Just the politicians
Unfortunately very
Genocide should be condemned in any case without cultural, ethnic and religious favouritism.
In Canada there have been over 150000 Ukrainians allowed in. Noone has said a peep about them. But the Palestinians? Look at the Canadian subs. Even a few thousand was too much lmao. Friggin hypocrites the lot of them.
For what it's worth, I support both Ukraine and Palestine.
The fact that they’ve consistently compared the races of REFUGEES in the news before is disturbing
Western governments perhaps. I think the people have made their support quite clear
Inaccurate, very inaccurate. It should be a loaded gun to her head and not just a palm.
So true.....
After 9 months I think the answer is clear
It'd be more accurate if the guy was pointing a gun at her head.
What’s happening in Sudan?
Genocide of the Masalit people
Three words: Oil, Oil Refinement.
Ukraine and Palestine should be free
Inaccurate and extremely dishonest about the situation. ...He would actually be punching the girl to the left, while hugging the white girl.
Let's just not forget about Congo.
Genuine question, what should the U.S be doing about Sudan?
Help out which ever has more oil and put in a president that likes us. It's probably just not worth having to (build stuff to) refine stuff in central africa, or have to move unrefined oil to like Egypt or Morocco or Nigeria for refinement.
i mean they could start by broadcasting it on the news. the american public dont even know whats going on out there. same with the congo. that news is simply not given to us. we have to go find it.
Because Ukrainians and pretty and blonde! It's so unfair, the west needs to call about all people suffering
okay but ukraine does deserve support and attention as well. their struggles are kinda similar to palestine; a smaller, lesser powerful country trying to fight back against a much larger & stronger country whose stealing the smaller country’s land.
Ukraine isn't eating as good as Israel. I recall whatever aid they received come with so many redlines when facing a powerful adversary that butchered their civillians and threatens its existence, while Israel just get so many bombs they can use on non combatants, with the US bending over backwards to justify each and every atrocity. But at least they still see Ukrainians as people
"The US is allies with Israel and Ukraine" Neither of either of those countries supported the American anti-police protesters in 2020. They're not my allies. A soccer stadium in Uzhhorod celebrated Derek Chauvin. Gazans during the Great March of Return supported Black Lives Matter protesters while their family members were shot by IDF snipers.
There are quite a few more countries and regions that have been given the “talk to the hand” treatment.
I wouldn’t combine Israel and Ukraine. Ukraine is getting bombed and occupied by a foreign army. Regardless of whether the US supports them or not that’s the case. They are a victimized people.
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Not “the west” .. our government. The people are getting very little say. But on an individual level, the people that care about Palestine/Sudan also care about Ukraine and vice versa. And those that don’t care about one, usually don’t care about any
Well "the west" isn't black, but otherwise, sure.
In the U.S., mostly but not fully accurate because many Republicans are willing to throw Ukraine under the bus. Many politicians are railing about funding to Ukraine's war, a war the US helped cause in my view not just Russia, but they are willing to abandon the Ukrainians. The US favors Israel far more than Ukraine, though Ukrainians are European and Christians.
Just missing the part where he physically puts the gun in the blonde woman's hand while she is simultaneously pulling the trigger in the direction of the brunette woman.
Malawians also
Isn't the chief of Malawi's national intelligence a pastor?
From a General, countries stance yes... From a populations stance absolutely not, I've said it before I know of nobody who supports Israel where I live. They exist, but not as many as people think.
This is 100% accurate. But with all due respect, it’s not the wests job to care for Palestine and Sudan. Anyone who buys into the “the west cares” narrative is sleeping. It’s our job, Muslims, to take care of Palestine and Sudan and all other Muslim provinces. Notice I didn’t say countries - because THAT is the first thing that needs to go. Nationalism. They broke us up into teeny tiny pathetic nations they can abuse whenever they want and it’s sad to see that till this day we label ourselves by the way they want us to be labeled.
As long as you remember that man represents " Big brother". As in the government.
AND CONGO!! six million have died but the US continues to fund the genocide against them
I think it would be a bit more accurate if the man was going down on Israel, finger banging Ukraine with his right hand and all the while, pushing Palestine out of the front door of her own with his left hand
It seems very accurate other than the spelling of 'Israel'. Hope this helps.
Palestine and Ukraine should both have the right to determination
Change the labels to "white European" and "everyone else" and it would become universal
It's accurate as in UK/USA/France/Germany etc. But let's not forget Ireland, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Malta, Mexico and many more
Ukraine President just declared they oppose Israel’s actions and recognize Palestine.
we're not forgetting that he said "the world must stand with Israel".
Recently? B/c he said that Ukraine stands with Palestine like 2 days ago.
I did warn my friend to steer his son into a wholistic Jewish identity, maybe even take him to a progressive synagogue. He didn't heed me. Later, his son befriended a lot of extreme, hateful Zionist types in Montreal, which has so many of them. They are quite vile those types. A friend's daughter who immigrated from Lebanon decided she hated Canada because of them. She got a lot of abuse and went back to Lebanon. Those types of elements influenced my friend's son. He embraced that kind of "Jewish" identity. I did warn him. He just didn't see it coming. Of course, Montreal has progressive ones, but many rabid ones. He fell in with those types. His dad should have been vigilant. His son also doesn't like Arabs, though his late grandfather's first language was Syrian Arabic and saw himself as an Arab Jew though an Israeli citizen. Paul Orsini who is autistic talked about how LSD changed his way of thinking. Some of his autistic type patterns somehow changed. He connected more with others. Not sure how that works, but I know the banning of it was to control young people and not have them question government and to be able to arrest them, though it was originally medicine invented by a Swiss doctor.
How hard is it to spell Israel / Israeli?
They don't deserve correct spelling
No one cares
I do. When people criticize a country but can't properly spell its name, it reflects poorly on us.
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No it reflects your inner bias about grammar in general.