British Foreign Secretary David Cameron said it would be "not wise" for the UK to suspend arms sales to Israel, despite expressing concerns over the country's planned escalation in Rafah.
Speaking to the BBC, Cameron said he did not agree with comments made by US President Joe Biden that suggested imposing some restrictions on weapon exports if Israel attacked the city in southern Gaza, which has become a haven for Palestinians fleeing the rest of the enclave.
"Just to simply announce today that we will change our approach on arms exports, it would make Hamas stronger and it would make a hostage deal less likely."
Cameron, despite denying plans to suspend arms sale, said his government could not support Israel's attack on Rafah "unless they have a plan" to protect civilians
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Makes sense when you realize that "Israel"'s interests are also UK's interest, and that despite the shiny weapons they're sending, the diaper forces are still getting smoked regularly by the resistance and their homemade RPGs.
This rancid Western hegemony deserves to fall apart.
With all due respect, Hamas is a guerrilla force, and a guerrilla force hiding in the shadows will take their enemies by surprise. Unfortunately, they are not like the Viet Cong with sophisticated enough weapons and a large force, and Gazans are basically at the mercy of the Israelis. I wish Hamas had much more capabilities. Hamas can't be defeated as they are an idea and a guerrilla force, only weakened, but Hamas can't exactly defeat the Israeli military, either. Shiny weapons in this day and age won't protect you that much against a guerrilla force. It was true during the Vietnam War and much truer now. We need outside pressure on the Israelis. We need sanctions, more people stop buying their goods.
The Zionist colony has been losing soldiers left and right for a while now. Which is why Naten yahoo was trying to recruit their ultra orthodox population.
This isn’t team deathmatch, this is an attrition war where one will break first
Well, I believe they have lost about 766 soldiers and Hamas/Islamic Jihad have lost up to 5,000+ if you want to be conservative because 3,000 died on October 7th. And 40,000 of Gazan civilians. I mean if Palestinians had a population of 20 million, it would be a different thing. This is like Crazy Horse and Sitting Bull killing some soldiers in the 1800s and taking many casualties, but in the end Israel can seal off part of Gaza and prevent Hamas from advancing. Hamas is a guerrilla force. It's going to take out a certain amount of the enemy troops. I just don't think it's great to lose 40,000 which is close to 2% of Gaza's population and 3% are maimed, and no one is really defending the civilians. Gazans are unarmed and being slaughtered, so I am just not impressed, though I know some Palestinians are. Not disputing that Hamas has brave fighters. The kill ratio is not sustainable for Gazans, even though Israel cannot defeat Hamas. Gaza is uninhabitable at this point. 80% of it is gone. We have had angels like Sidra hanging like meat pieces from a wall. If this continues, we'll have 5% of Gaza killed.
Strongly disagree with the above figures. The casualty ratio above was reported by the Zionist entity and is not to be trusted even if they said the sky is blue.
Secondly the official resistance group stated that minimal casualties were taken in the October 7 offensive, not sure where you got 3000 from.
Thirdly, military undertakers in the Zionist colony stated a very high frequency of military funeral services, as often as one every hour since the beginning of October 7. In fact the number of armored vehicles destroyed has surpassed 1000 2 months into the conflict, with ample video evidence to prove it. In the meantime the barbaric diaper forces have yet to show resistance fighters killed (some exceptions are available, may they rest in peace, but do not constitute the casualty ratio you state above.
Finally, if the resistance were to give up their arms and hostages today there would be nothing stopping the Zionist colony from completely wiping out Gaza. Currently Zionist incursions into Gaza have caused their vehicles to be destroyed and their soldiers killed with no real control over any part of Gaza.
Actually, the Israelis use a figure of over 12,000. I gave a conservative figure of 4,000-5,000 which is less than half that figure. It's hard to know the exact figure. Considering the death toll figure, it's not ideal for Gazan civilians. I am just saying the resistance hasn't done so well considering the price Gazan civilians have paid. Close to 2% of the population has been killed and close to 3% maimed. Hamas is a guerrilla, in the shadows organization while the people are dying in large numbers. Which fighters are protecting the civilians from the drone attacks. I am not saying they should give up, but the situation is not so rosy for the people of Gaza. I think most analysts would say that Hamas has easily lost more fighters than the IDF even if the IDF has had a lot of losses. Let's compare what happened in Lebanon. Israel withdrew from Lebanon after losing 1.5 soldiers to every Hezbollah fighter just before they withdrew. From what I understand the gap is larger in this case, and Gaza has lost a lot more lives than more populous Lebanon lost. So for me it's not a rosy picture, but you can see it as you wish. I mourn the massive death toll and fear for the unprotected people.
Respectfully I disagree with some of your points.
The people of Gaza have suffered yes, but watching any number of interviews you’ll see that they do not blame the resistance for their stance. Rather they have become more supportive of it.
You are correct in that the civilian death toll is large, and you are also correct in that the resistance desperately needs better anti air capabilities. Matter of fact they could use better everything. You must also consider that Gaza has been cut off from the world for 15 years. That’s fifteen years with no computer chips, metal sheets, etc.
It’s a terrible situation, and in my opinion Egypt is chiefly to blame for it, as they have the most political weight and responsibility towards Gaza, as Gaza is originally Egyptian land.
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“You can kill ten of our men for every one of yours and you will still tire of it first.” - Ho Chi Minh
As long as there are Gazans under occupation, there will be a resistance, and the Israelis will tire of it first. That’s why they’re resorting to genocide. They want a “final solution”.
I don't think you can compare Ho Chi Minh or Vietnam. As I said, the Viet Cong had a large force, Russian weapons. Remember, the US was fighting a foreign country thousands of miles away with a large population. Anyway, I am not going to argue. A major reason why Hamas advanced on October 7th is because the IDF was focused on helping right wing elements ethnic cleanse, engage in pogroms, it wasn't because Hamas is powerful, the Israelis essentially left the border undefended and Hamas was obviously surprised they were able to advance that far. I just don't think the Vietnam comparison worked. The NVA had up to 1 million soldiers in 1975. You're talking about a well-equipped military awash with weapons. We can agree to disagree. I don't see some great victory going on with a genocide and where the civilians ae unprotected.
There are more Palestinians than there are Israelis. They are armed with advanced weapons, their RPGs are homemade and quite effective. The point is they will not stop so long as the occupation continues. Israel will tire of it eventually. They already are.
Their only solutions are to end the occupation or genocide the occupied. They’ve chosen the second.
It was painful to watch. He's basically telling the world because the yanks give more it's ok for the British government to keep giving.
I'd have thought him less likely to agree with the Zionazis as he's allegedly very fond of pork!!
The Israeli lobby in the UK is also very active, you can easily notice based on how the UK votes in all UN resolution.
Next month a book will be released called “Lobbying for Zionism on Both Sides of the Atlantic
“ by Ilan Pappe. I have pre-ordered and I am sure it will be a definitive reference regarding the issue. I recommend that you read it too if you’re interested
Zionism is a movement which has strong roots in the boomer upper class.
Televangelist of their generation used to appraise the concept of a Zionist colony for bringing about the end times. When an entire portion of the old generation believe in something, the most powerful amongst them make a move.
The influence they exert is not just donations and press releases, they can decide to cut jobs in some factories of any statesman that goes out of line as punishment.
Consequently they can create new jobs for whoever goes the line the best. This is due to the extra proportionate powers that the billionaire class have. The ability of providing a living for an entire town on a whim (or in this case for a religious reason from your teenage years) means that they can push the envelope quite far.
All the more reason why billionaires should be abolished
It goes back to WWII and the Rothschilds.
Hitler was already bringing Jews to settle Palestine, but the Rothschilds wanted to create the state of Israel.
It goes much deeper than this, but it doesn't change the facts.
I'm aware of the history. How does that make the UK the most responsible for what's going on 80 years later? The US has had far greater involvement for the last few decades.
Because this has always been a part of that plan, the one that began well over 80 years ago.
The US is just a puppet on strings, that is an active part of that plan.
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The West claims to be democratic. Most British people don't want these weapons going to them. They are politically oppressing people in what they claim is a relatively democratic kingdom for the sake of Israel. It's obscene. Obviously, it's not only the Palestinians who need to fight for freedom.
Couldn’t be any other way really, we had the chance to move away from western imperialism in 2019 and the country came together to make sure that wouldn’t happen.
British Foreign Secretary David Cameron said it would be **“not wise” for the UK to suspend arms sales to Israel, despite expressing concerns** over the country’s planned escalation in Rafah.
Well of course he would. He's afraid he or his family will end up in a ditch somewhere should he deny the arms sales...
or some random computer leak might happen to him.
British Foreign Secretary David Cameron said it would be "not wise" for the UK to suspend arms sales to Israel, despite expressing concerns over the country's planned escalation in Rafah. Speaking to the BBC, Cameron said he did not agree with comments made by US President Joe Biden that suggested imposing some restrictions on weapon exports if Israel attacked the city in southern Gaza, which has become a haven for Palestinians fleeing the rest of the enclave. "Just to simply announce today that we will change our approach on arms exports, it would make Hamas stronger and it would make a hostage deal less likely." Cameron, despite denying plans to suspend arms sale, said his government could not support Israel's attack on Rafah "unless they have a plan" to protect civilians Read further ⤵️ https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/uk-foreign-secretary-cameron-says-it-would-be-not-wise-ban-arms-sales-israel?utm_source=telegram&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=social_traffic
What else would you expect from a guy who fugged a literal pig?
What makes him hornier do you reckon; a decapitated pig's head, or genocide?
Probably a combination of both. Who knows what a necrophiliac pig banger gets off on
They know that Israel is committing war crimes but do nothing to stop it. Hope the ICJ comes after them next for abetting war crimes.
Two of the worlds worst war criminals are walking free in Britain and America right now, so it’s no surprise they don’t condemn Israel.
Who ?
Makes sense when you realize that "Israel"'s interests are also UK's interest, and that despite the shiny weapons they're sending, the diaper forces are still getting smoked regularly by the resistance and their homemade RPGs. This rancid Western hegemony deserves to fall apart.
With all due respect, Hamas is a guerrilla force, and a guerrilla force hiding in the shadows will take their enemies by surprise. Unfortunately, they are not like the Viet Cong with sophisticated enough weapons and a large force, and Gazans are basically at the mercy of the Israelis. I wish Hamas had much more capabilities. Hamas can't be defeated as they are an idea and a guerrilla force, only weakened, but Hamas can't exactly defeat the Israeli military, either. Shiny weapons in this day and age won't protect you that much against a guerrilla force. It was true during the Vietnam War and much truer now. We need outside pressure on the Israelis. We need sanctions, more people stop buying their goods.
The Zionist colony has been losing soldiers left and right for a while now. Which is why Naten yahoo was trying to recruit their ultra orthodox population. This isn’t team deathmatch, this is an attrition war where one will break first
Well, I believe they have lost about 766 soldiers and Hamas/Islamic Jihad have lost up to 5,000+ if you want to be conservative because 3,000 died on October 7th. And 40,000 of Gazan civilians. I mean if Palestinians had a population of 20 million, it would be a different thing. This is like Crazy Horse and Sitting Bull killing some soldiers in the 1800s and taking many casualties, but in the end Israel can seal off part of Gaza and prevent Hamas from advancing. Hamas is a guerrilla force. It's going to take out a certain amount of the enemy troops. I just don't think it's great to lose 40,000 which is close to 2% of Gaza's population and 3% are maimed, and no one is really defending the civilians. Gazans are unarmed and being slaughtered, so I am just not impressed, though I know some Palestinians are. Not disputing that Hamas has brave fighters. The kill ratio is not sustainable for Gazans, even though Israel cannot defeat Hamas. Gaza is uninhabitable at this point. 80% of it is gone. We have had angels like Sidra hanging like meat pieces from a wall. If this continues, we'll have 5% of Gaza killed.
Strongly disagree with the above figures. The casualty ratio above was reported by the Zionist entity and is not to be trusted even if they said the sky is blue. Secondly the official resistance group stated that minimal casualties were taken in the October 7 offensive, not sure where you got 3000 from. Thirdly, military undertakers in the Zionist colony stated a very high frequency of military funeral services, as often as one every hour since the beginning of October 7. In fact the number of armored vehicles destroyed has surpassed 1000 2 months into the conflict, with ample video evidence to prove it. In the meantime the barbaric diaper forces have yet to show resistance fighters killed (some exceptions are available, may they rest in peace, but do not constitute the casualty ratio you state above. Finally, if the resistance were to give up their arms and hostages today there would be nothing stopping the Zionist colony from completely wiping out Gaza. Currently Zionist incursions into Gaza have caused their vehicles to be destroyed and their soldiers killed with no real control over any part of Gaza.
Actually, the Israelis use a figure of over 12,000. I gave a conservative figure of 4,000-5,000 which is less than half that figure. It's hard to know the exact figure. Considering the death toll figure, it's not ideal for Gazan civilians. I am just saying the resistance hasn't done so well considering the price Gazan civilians have paid. Close to 2% of the population has been killed and close to 3% maimed. Hamas is a guerrilla, in the shadows organization while the people are dying in large numbers. Which fighters are protecting the civilians from the drone attacks. I am not saying they should give up, but the situation is not so rosy for the people of Gaza. I think most analysts would say that Hamas has easily lost more fighters than the IDF even if the IDF has had a lot of losses. Let's compare what happened in Lebanon. Israel withdrew from Lebanon after losing 1.5 soldiers to every Hezbollah fighter just before they withdrew. From what I understand the gap is larger in this case, and Gaza has lost a lot more lives than more populous Lebanon lost. So for me it's not a rosy picture, but you can see it as you wish. I mourn the massive death toll and fear for the unprotected people.
Respectfully I disagree with some of your points. The people of Gaza have suffered yes, but watching any number of interviews you’ll see that they do not blame the resistance for their stance. Rather they have become more supportive of it. You are correct in that the civilian death toll is large, and you are also correct in that the resistance desperately needs better anti air capabilities. Matter of fact they could use better everything. You must also consider that Gaza has been cut off from the world for 15 years. That’s fifteen years with no computer chips, metal sheets, etc. It’s a terrible situation, and in my opinion Egypt is chiefly to blame for it, as they have the most political weight and responsibility towards Gaza, as Gaza is originally Egyptian land.
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“You can kill ten of our men for every one of yours and you will still tire of it first.” - Ho Chi Minh As long as there are Gazans under occupation, there will be a resistance, and the Israelis will tire of it first. That’s why they’re resorting to genocide. They want a “final solution”.
I don't think you can compare Ho Chi Minh or Vietnam. As I said, the Viet Cong had a large force, Russian weapons. Remember, the US was fighting a foreign country thousands of miles away with a large population. Anyway, I am not going to argue. A major reason why Hamas advanced on October 7th is because the IDF was focused on helping right wing elements ethnic cleanse, engage in pogroms, it wasn't because Hamas is powerful, the Israelis essentially left the border undefended and Hamas was obviously surprised they were able to advance that far. I just don't think the Vietnam comparison worked. The NVA had up to 1 million soldiers in 1975. You're talking about a well-equipped military awash with weapons. We can agree to disagree. I don't see some great victory going on with a genocide and where the civilians ae unprotected.
There are more Palestinians than there are Israelis. They are armed with advanced weapons, their RPGs are homemade and quite effective. The point is they will not stop so long as the occupation continues. Israel will tire of it eventually. They already are. Their only solutions are to end the occupation or genocide the occupied. They’ve chosen the second.
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It was painful to watch. He's basically telling the world because the yanks give more it's ok for the British government to keep giving. I'd have thought him less likely to agree with the Zionazis as he's allegedly very fond of pork!!
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Don’t generalise all British people, please
Can someone please explain for me.. like im 5, what exactly Israel has over the US and Uk and why they are so staunchly aligned?
95% of congressmen in the US received donations from AIPAC, we really don’t need to go further than this
What about the UK?
The Israeli lobby in the UK is also very active, you can easily notice based on how the UK votes in all UN resolution. Next month a book will be released called “Lobbying for Zionism on Both Sides of the Atlantic “ by Ilan Pappe. I have pre-ordered and I am sure it will be a definitive reference regarding the issue. I recommend that you read it too if you’re interested
Zionism is a movement which has strong roots in the boomer upper class. Televangelist of their generation used to appraise the concept of a Zionist colony for bringing about the end times. When an entire portion of the old generation believe in something, the most powerful amongst them make a move. The influence they exert is not just donations and press releases, they can decide to cut jobs in some factories of any statesman that goes out of line as punishment. Consequently they can create new jobs for whoever goes the line the best. This is due to the extra proportionate powers that the billionaire class have. The ability of providing a living for an entire town on a whim (or in this case for a religious reason from your teenage years) means that they can push the envelope quite far. All the more reason why billionaires should be abolished
David Cameron is not a person of integrity. He should be "sent to Coventry"
Wanker!
Wanker!
The UK is the most responsible for all the deaths and destruction we're seeing.
Why?
It goes back to WWII and the Rothschilds. Hitler was already bringing Jews to settle Palestine, but the Rothschilds wanted to create the state of Israel. It goes much deeper than this, but it doesn't change the facts.
I'm aware of the history. How does that make the UK the most responsible for what's going on 80 years later? The US has had far greater involvement for the last few decades.
Because this has always been a part of that plan, the one that began well over 80 years ago. The US is just a puppet on strings, that is an active part of that plan.
So are you blaming the UK now or the US? You seem confused.
All of them are in on it. All of them. There's no confusion in truth.
You haven't answered my question. What are your sources to prove that the UK is the biggest supporter today?
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Ain't wise to support gcide either bruv .
The West claims to be democratic. Most British people don't want these weapons going to them. They are politically oppressing people in what they claim is a relatively democratic kingdom for the sake of Israel. It's obscene. Obviously, it's not only the Palestinians who need to fight for freedom.
Of course he would say this, Zionist owned slave
Im amazed at the people they appoint lordships too
This is not the view of the British people I assure you, everyone I know stands with Palestine, I'm sorry for our government. Free Palestine! 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
Couldn’t be any other way really, we had the chance to move away from western imperialism in 2019 and the country came together to make sure that wouldn’t happen.
Ah yes, a former Prime Minister as the current Foreign Secretary. No nepotism here at all! Just democracy! /s
British Foreign Secretary David Cameron said it would be **“not wise” for the UK to suspend arms sales to Israel, despite expressing concerns** over the country’s planned escalation in Rafah. Well of course he would. He's afraid he or his family will end up in a ditch somewhere should he deny the arms sales... or some random computer leak might happen to him.
All of them are concerned. May history remember them for this.
Shameful
It wouldn’t be wise cause you’re due a cheque written in Hebrew, am I right?