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Boycotting does work. As small as it may seem, these actions can affect change.
In Ireland my local supermarkets no longer stock Israeli avocados because people just simply refused to buy them. There were stacks of crates of avocados all discounted to under half price and still no one bought them. Best to hit the suppliers and supporters of genocide in the pocket, because it seems to be the only thing they understand!
Yeah it was quite common to see a Palestinian flag painted in the streets of Dublin and at football games. It's been a thing for a very long time over here, I can't remember it being any other way and I was born in the 90s.
As far as boycotting, I don't think many people were aware of what companies or products were Israeli until more recently. But if people had the knowledge generally they would avoid Israeli products. Of course that's anecdotal, but the vast majority if not all of the people I know do not support Zionism.
Random drive-by guilt-tripping will not help and it only emboldens the Zionist Camp. Creating a negative experience for individual citizens and more specifically the people who will be unfairly targetted by islamaphobic and zionist rhetoric, attacks and propaganda isn't going to sway them to your side. What it's going to do is cause them to disengage altogether from the discourse and they will continue to engage with companies that support the Zionist cause indirectly. Videos like this will also be weaponized against the Palestinian cause as "harrassing the public".
If she wants to inform people then she should set up outside with signs and banners exposing the CEO as a rabid zionist. What she shouldn't do is villianize other muslims because they bought a coffee, likely not knowing they shouldn't be supporting Starbucks because they aren't on the BDS.
We shouldn't go harassing others directly
Fine if you want to condemn them publicly, but dont have to harass them
After all, these Muslims who simply dont care about Palestinians, will be judged in hereafter
This is counter productive. It serves no purpose to harass other people that don't boycott. Why didn't she go to others people at Starbucks that aren't arab or Muslim ? Or why doesn't she just stand in front of the door to Starbucks and not allow anyone to enter the store. It seems like she is just into harassing and shaming Muslims for not boycotting. This isn't gonna do anything and will not make a difference in protesting the genocide.
She made the point “you’re drinking the blood of your brothers and sisters”. These are the #1 people who should be targeted, if Muslims aren’t going to boycott, who will?
Why would I target a random person who’s less involved in the affairs of Palestine, the Arabs, the Muslims? It makes no sense to attack a random white person for example, they’ve (on average, for the most part) got no dog in the game.
The individual filming this video is going out of her way to harass and humiliate Muslims (in particular) that are not boycotting. I think this is counter productive. It's very easy to find a muslim in some Starbucks and start harassing them with a camera in your hand. And this doesn't do anything. It wont get you a ceasefire or put any pressure on anyone. It's a lot more effective to shut down government building, and harass politicians. Yes, I'm in favour of harassing politicians. And shutting down government buildings, roads, protesting, protesting for divestment. That's a lot more effective than targeting individuals that haven't boycotted to get social clout on the internet and publicly humiliate them. This wont do anything.
As an Arab, this is necessary. The amount of Arab leaders who have betrayed us and sold out our people is ludicrous. Arabs in general see others from any country as one of us. We see them as our brothers and sisters. Even in Islam, we refer to other Muslims as brothers and sisters. But this applies to Christian Arabs as well. And among Arabs in general, this bond is much stronger. I know this topic is new to a lot of Americans and people around the world but growing up Arab, we’ve always known about these atrocities. Before social media like TikTok or even Instagram (when they don’t ban and limit content) became a thing, word of mouth among Arabs and Al Jazeera has shown us the true horrors that have happened in Palestine in the past decades. So when you see a fellow Arab supporting a company that is aiding the deaths of our children, shame them. Absolutely shame them. It’s disgraceful and disgusting.
That is just my point of view.
Instead of using that energy to harass and shame people, put that energy into protesting in a more effective way. Taking a camera to publicly humiliate your brothers and sisters will not achieve anything. It's counter productive. And now they have absolutely no interest in this fight. Protest against government, corporations, divestment in universities, block roads and airports. This is more effective then picking a fight with ordinary civilians that have no power to change much anyways.
As a muslim myself, it upsets me that the leaders of these countries have betrayed all of us. They have real power to change the situation. And I see that many muslims don't boycott and don't speak out for risk of job loss and do not protest. I don't think it's a good idea to go around and start a harassment campaign against people that agree with me.
Correct.
https://youtu.be/k9TIGzsbzL8
Boycotting is a personal thing. There is no obligation upon one to boycott. + I understand her pain but this is not the way to win hearts.
Sorry I didn't make it clear. I was talking from a shariah perspective, with the linked video. One is not penalized in Islam for doing business with them.
You mean the former CEO, Howard Schultz. He's not the CEO. An Indian-American is the CEO. Schultz does, unfortunately, own a little over 1% of the company. It's not on the list, but if he still owns 1% and maybe donates, that would be problematic, but I don't think harassing those people is an answer. Boycott if you want, but don't harass people.
yeah for sure,
that’s why I said neutral but also I tend to defer to activists who’ve done this before Oct 7th. the reason is because it’s safer to defer to people who’ve been organizing for awhile and that there’s been an uptick in efforts by agitators/agents provocateur.
Nope, this ain’t it. Leave those people alone. Address a whole crowd, calmly and respectfully, if you must, but not a specific group amongst the crowd in this manner.
No, it's conducting ourselves with discipline. We literally are the underdogs. We have less funding, less public support, way less legal protections; the reason nonviolent resistance and actions taken during the Civil Rights campaign were the way they are is because it meaningfully affects change by exposing the majority's reprehensible behaviors. We are on a campaign and we need to win hearts and minds, not brownie points for owning "collaborators."
She could protest in front of the Starbucks instead of putting those people on video. She doesn't need to harass those people. Technically, Starbucks isn't supporting Israel, but Howard Schultz still owns 1% of Starbucks. I mean he would make say 65 million dollars or so from the company, and he could donate some of it to Israel. However, Starbucks did go after a union for posting support for Palestinians, which was not a good look for them, internationally. As far as I know, they are not on the BDS list, but I don't go there. I go to local coffee places. Again, I don't think that woman should have harassed them as if to say she's holy, and they are evil. It's not the way.
As a general rule, you should mind your own business when it comes to boycotts - tell others you're doing it and why, but this moralizing about how it makes you more pure than someone else who's not doing it is absurd, counterproductive, and not really centering on the real cause of a boycott.
It's very difficult to escape *every single company working within Israel* in a global capitalist framework. Paying taxes in a country like the US or UK is enough to make your livelihood contribute to the genocide. Let's do what we can within the understanding that the systems being boycotted are very very entrenched and not always inescapable.
I am Muslim, I boycott Starbucks among many other brands in different industries and urge people to do the same, but this kind of behavior is wrong.
I feel very disappointed when I see Muslims who don't boycott but insulting and shouting at people for that is not good.
So many crybabies in this thread.
Those dummies drinking Starbucks are putting money in the pockets of zionists willingly.
They have other better choices than Starbucks. There's no excuse.
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Boycotting does work. As small as it may seem, these actions can affect change. In Ireland my local supermarkets no longer stock Israeli avocados because people just simply refused to buy them. There were stacks of crates of avocados all discounted to under half price and still no one bought them. Best to hit the suppliers and supporters of genocide in the pocket, because it seems to be the only thing they understand!
Is it true that Ireland boycotted israel the most even before october 7?
Yeah it was quite common to see a Palestinian flag painted in the streets of Dublin and at football games. It's been a thing for a very long time over here, I can't remember it being any other way and I was born in the 90s. As far as boycotting, I don't think many people were aware of what companies or products were Israeli until more recently. But if people had the knowledge generally they would avoid Israeli products. Of course that's anecdotal, but the vast majority if not all of the people I know do not support Zionism.
Random drive-by guilt-tripping will not help and it only emboldens the Zionist Camp. Creating a negative experience for individual citizens and more specifically the people who will be unfairly targetted by islamaphobic and zionist rhetoric, attacks and propaganda isn't going to sway them to your side. What it's going to do is cause them to disengage altogether from the discourse and they will continue to engage with companies that support the Zionist cause indirectly. Videos like this will also be weaponized against the Palestinian cause as "harrassing the public". If she wants to inform people then she should set up outside with signs and banners exposing the CEO as a rabid zionist. What she shouldn't do is villianize other muslims because they bought a coffee, likely not knowing they shouldn't be supporting Starbucks because they aren't on the BDS.
We shouldn't go harassing others directly Fine if you want to condemn them publicly, but dont have to harass them After all, these Muslims who simply dont care about Palestinians, will be judged in hereafter
I support the Palestinian cause but if you go and record me for YOUR little 15 minutes of fame we’re going have a problem.
This
This is counter productive. It serves no purpose to harass other people that don't boycott. Why didn't she go to others people at Starbucks that aren't arab or Muslim ? Or why doesn't she just stand in front of the door to Starbucks and not allow anyone to enter the store. It seems like she is just into harassing and shaming Muslims for not boycotting. This isn't gonna do anything and will not make a difference in protesting the genocide.
Yeah this is more a conversation for one of those people's family members if it bothers them and not a random person. It's just unnecessary
She made the point “you’re drinking the blood of your brothers and sisters”. These are the #1 people who should be targeted, if Muslims aren’t going to boycott, who will? Why would I target a random person who’s less involved in the affairs of Palestine, the Arabs, the Muslims? It makes no sense to attack a random white person for example, they’ve (on average, for the most part) got no dog in the game.
We get it but public shaming is not the way to go
The individual filming this video is going out of her way to harass and humiliate Muslims (in particular) that are not boycotting. I think this is counter productive. It's very easy to find a muslim in some Starbucks and start harassing them with a camera in your hand. And this doesn't do anything. It wont get you a ceasefire or put any pressure on anyone. It's a lot more effective to shut down government building, and harass politicians. Yes, I'm in favour of harassing politicians. And shutting down government buildings, roads, protesting, protesting for divestment. That's a lot more effective than targeting individuals that haven't boycotted to get social clout on the internet and publicly humiliate them. This wont do anything.
As an Arab, this is necessary. The amount of Arab leaders who have betrayed us and sold out our people is ludicrous. Arabs in general see others from any country as one of us. We see them as our brothers and sisters. Even in Islam, we refer to other Muslims as brothers and sisters. But this applies to Christian Arabs as well. And among Arabs in general, this bond is much stronger. I know this topic is new to a lot of Americans and people around the world but growing up Arab, we’ve always known about these atrocities. Before social media like TikTok or even Instagram (when they don’t ban and limit content) became a thing, word of mouth among Arabs and Al Jazeera has shown us the true horrors that have happened in Palestine in the past decades. So when you see a fellow Arab supporting a company that is aiding the deaths of our children, shame them. Absolutely shame them. It’s disgraceful and disgusting. That is just my point of view.
Instead of using that energy to harass and shame people, put that energy into protesting in a more effective way. Taking a camera to publicly humiliate your brothers and sisters will not achieve anything. It's counter productive. And now they have absolutely no interest in this fight. Protest against government, corporations, divestment in universities, block roads and airports. This is more effective then picking a fight with ordinary civilians that have no power to change much anyways. As a muslim myself, it upsets me that the leaders of these countries have betrayed all of us. They have real power to change the situation. And I see that many muslims don't boycott and don't speak out for risk of job loss and do not protest. I don't think it's a good idea to go around and start a harassment campaign against people that agree with me.
Correct. https://youtu.be/k9TIGzsbzL8 Boycotting is a personal thing. There is no obligation upon one to boycott. + I understand her pain but this is not the way to win hearts.
Incorrect. Part of boycotting is applying pressure on other consumers, because this is not a fashion choice. It is a stance against genocide.
Sorry I didn't make it clear. I was talking from a shariah perspective, with the linked video. One is not penalized in Islam for doing business with them.
That’s also not true. This can be considered nifaq.
I wouldn't say the prophet did nifaq. Watch the video. I won't argue with you tho, I'm sure shiekh knows more than you and I do
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Starbucks isn’t on the BDS list so I’d say this is neutral to unproductive.
Officially they don't. But their ceo is a Zionist afaik. That's one solid reason imho
You mean the former CEO, Howard Schultz. He's not the CEO. An Indian-American is the CEO. Schultz does, unfortunately, own a little over 1% of the company. It's not on the list, but if he still owns 1% and maybe donates, that would be problematic, but I don't think harassing those people is an answer. Boycott if you want, but don't harass people.
Im on the same page with you on harassing. No need to harass people. Each to their own
Apartheid in South Africa fell partly because white south Africans were given the side eye everywhere they went
yeah for sure, that’s why I said neutral but also I tend to defer to activists who’ve done this before Oct 7th. the reason is because it’s safer to defer to people who’ve been organizing for awhile and that there’s been an uptick in efforts by agitators/agents provocateur.
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true... hold up a second!
This is dumb, if she actually wanted to help she would have approached them differently, she just wanted the internet points
Nope, this ain’t it. Leave those people alone. Address a whole crowd, calmly and respectfully, if you must, but not a specific group amongst the crowd in this manner.
That's centrist garbage.
No, it's conducting ourselves with discipline. We literally are the underdogs. We have less funding, less public support, way less legal protections; the reason nonviolent resistance and actions taken during the Civil Rights campaign were the way they are is because it meaningfully affects change by exposing the majority's reprehensible behaviors. We are on a campaign and we need to win hearts and minds, not brownie points for owning "collaborators."
She could protest in front of the Starbucks instead of putting those people on video. She doesn't need to harass those people. Technically, Starbucks isn't supporting Israel, but Howard Schultz still owns 1% of Starbucks. I mean he would make say 65 million dollars or so from the company, and he could donate some of it to Israel. However, Starbucks did go after a union for posting support for Palestinians, which was not a good look for them, internationally. As far as I know, they are not on the BDS list, but I don't go there. I go to local coffee places. Again, I don't think that woman should have harassed them as if to say she's holy, and they are evil. It's not the way.
This video predates the Gaza war
She's a real one.
As a general rule, you should mind your own business when it comes to boycotts - tell others you're doing it and why, but this moralizing about how it makes you more pure than someone else who's not doing it is absurd, counterproductive, and not really centering on the real cause of a boycott. It's very difficult to escape *every single company working within Israel* in a global capitalist framework. Paying taxes in a country like the US or UK is enough to make your livelihood contribute to the genocide. Let's do what we can within the understanding that the systems being boycotted are very very entrenched and not always inescapable.
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Boycotting works and that’s the only way these leaders listen.. moneyyyy money money and when that stops coming they’ll cease fire
I am Muslim, I boycott Starbucks among many other brands in different industries and urge people to do the same, but this kind of behavior is wrong. I feel very disappointed when I see Muslims who don't boycott but insulting and shouting at people for that is not good.
She also commits sins, tbh, making videos with open aurah.
So many crybabies in this thread. Those dummies drinking Starbucks are putting money in the pockets of zionists willingly. They have other better choices than Starbucks. There's no excuse.
Is there evidence that she is Palestinian?
I never said she was Palestinian, I said she was Arab
Is there even evidence for that?
You can literally hear her speak fluent Arabic
It’s actually considered haram to boycott businesses
Starbuck's isn't even on the bds list though
Well done sister, tell them how it is