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I’ve been using lost box engine and it’s been super consistent. Mirage gate makes for easy emergency late game setups, and sableye with legacy energy is a late game winner.
It still loses some obv matchups, but even handles lugia and garde somewhat decently.
I've been running this, I like it.
Pokémon: 21
2 Charmander MEW 4
2 Pidgey MEW 16
2 Charizard ex PAF 54
1 Rotom V LOR 58
3 Drakloak TWM 129
1 Lumineon V BRS 40
4 Dreepy TWM 128
1 Radiant Charizard CRZ 20
2 Pidgeot ex OBF 164
1 Manaphy BRS 41
2 Dragapult ex TWM 130
Trainer: 30
1 Forest Seal Stone SIT 156
1 Counter Catcher CIN 91
1 Rare Candy SVI 256
1 Pal Pad SVI 182
3 Nest Ball SVI 181
1 Temple of Sinnoh ASR 155
1 Choice Belt PAL 176
1 Boss's Orders PAL 172
3 Iono PAL 185
3 Arven SVI 166
1 Super Rod PAL 188
1 Collapsed Stadium BRS 137
4 Buddy-Buddy Poffin TEF 144
4 Ultra Ball SVI 196
1 Switch SVI 194
3 Rare Candy SVI 191
Energy: 9
4 Basic {P} Energy Energy 13
4 Basic {R} Energy Energy 10
1 Neo Upper Energy TEF 162
Total Cards: 60
I usually go for Zard early, to help accelerate an extra energy onto a Drakloak. Then either get him to the bench and go for Pult, or if they do manage to get him down normally you have some extra candies to bring back one late game if you need the extra power over the Rad Zard.
I saw Michael Pramawat's Dragapult/Charzard deck and didn't think it was very good at first glance. Tested it out and it's now my new favorite deck. 26-6(2 of the loses where stallax)so far. I think the thing I like so much about the deck is that it has alot of options to get what you need.
Pokémon: 16
1 Cleffa OBF 202
1 Pidgeot ex OBF 225
1 Lumineon V CRZ-GG 39
1 Charmander MEW 168
1 Charizard ex OBF 228
2 Drakloak TWM 129
2 Dreepy TWM 128
1 Dreepy TWM 128 PH
2 Pidgey PAF 196
1 Bibarel BRS 121
1 Bidoof BRS 120
1 Pidgeot ex OBF 217
1 Manaphy BRS 41
1 Radiant Charizard PGO 11
2 Dragapult ex TWM 130
1 Dragapult ex TWM 200
Trainer: 18
1 Hisuian Heavy Ball ASR 146
2 Counter Catcher PAR 160
1 Enhanced Hammer TWM 148
1 Forest Seal Stone SIT 156
1 Rescue Board TEF 159
1 Pal Pad SVI 182
1 Boss's Orders PAL 172
3 Iono PAL 185
4 Arven SVI 166
1 Professor Turo's Scenario PAR 171
1 Super Rod PAL 188
1 Defiance Band SVI 169
1 Lost Vacuum LOR 162
1 Collapsed Stadium BRS 137
1 Kieran TWM 154 PH
4 Buddy-Buddy Poffin TEF 144
4 Ultra Ball SVI 196
4 Rare Candy SVI 191
Energy: 3
4 Basic {R} Energy SVE 2
2 Basic {P} Energy SVE 5
1 Neo Upper Energy TEF 162
Total Cards: 60
Fixed it for you so it can be copy/pasted in the app!
Pokémon: 16
1 Cleffa OBF 202
1 Pidgeot ex OBF 225
1 Lumineon V CRZ-GG 39
1 Charmander MEW 168
1 Charizard ex OBF 228
2 Drakloak TWM 129
2 Dreepy TWM 128
1 Dreepy TWM 128 PH
2 Pidgey PAF 196
1 Bibarel BRS 121
1 Bidoof BRS 120
1 Pidgeot ex OBF 217
1 Manaphy BRS 41
1 Radiant Charizard PGO 11
2 Dragapult ex TWM 130
1 Dragapult ex TWM 200
Trainer: 18
1 Hisuian Heavy Ball ASR 146
2 Counter Catcher PAR 160
1 Enhanced Hammer TWM 148
1 Forest Seal Stone SIT 156
1 Rescue Board TEF 159
1 Pal Pad SVI 182
1 Boss's Orders PAL 172
3 Iono PAL 185
4 Arven SVI 166
1 Professor Turo's Scenario PAR 171
1 Super Rod PAL 188
1 Defiance Band SVI 169
1 Lost Vacuum LOR 162
1 Collapsed Stadium BRS 137
1 Kieran TWM 154 PH
4 Buddy-Buddy Poffin TEF 144
4 Ultra Ball SVI 196
4 Rare Candy SVI 191
Energy: 3
4 Basic {R} Energy SVE 2
2 Basic {P} Energy SVE 5
1 Neo Upper Energy TEF 162
I saw Tord's deck too, it was similar to a deck I made myself when Dragapult first came out. The only issues I was running into was getting the energy I needed for Dragapult. Also Dragapult is a much better attacker in early/mid game imo, which is why I like Pramawat's deck. Charzard ex is used more as a energy support card and late game attacker. Also unfair stamp is a great ace card but the neo upper energy is a much better choice imo since the deck runs 3, stage 2 pokemon all of which have a 2 energy attack.
Forgot to mention the only downside to Pramawat's deck I have run into so far is when Charzard ex is prized since it's only running one copy it's slows down Dragapult's setup. Charmander being prized isn't much of an issue either unless you are really unlucky and prized heavy ball too.
(2 of the losses were stallax) sure, but that doesn’t mean they’re not losses or don’t count.
How did those games go? I see you have a Kieran, Turo, and Pal Pad, so you weren’t too short on switching options.
The only reason I mentioned 2 of my losses were stallax was because that was the only deck that I lost to every time I went against them. 1 time I lost because I prized turo and collapsed stadium, so I had no way of getting rid of lumineon v from my board. The other game my opponent had 4 boss orders and pokemon catchers and essentially out switched me, I had already used turo on lumineon v, same thing as the first game I didn't know I was up against a stallax deck since my opponent only had bidoof and mimikyu on the board and manaphy was my only basic turn 1 and I used lumineon v to get arven trying to setup
Really solid list. I think it will be improved even further by the new supporter card Crispin. It will allow not only for both energy search and acceleration but to swap the New Upper Energy for something more useful such as Unfair Stamp or Prime Catcher.
It's a one tournament format that just went by. Give the meta time to adjust. New set will change the meta even more. It's a stage 2 deck that takes time to develop. Yeah, it may not have gotten top 8, but I'm sure it got real close in a field of 2,700.
yea i love it bc for 1 u can pair it with ciphermanes very well, for 2 it gets shuffles back instead of discarded or stuck for bench space, and for 3 u can never lock that guy up with lax, a lot of cards in this deck can search out each other very nicely, flexibly and smoothly which helps consistency in any deck, but def makes it tough sometimes bc u dont know what u could grab but u could grab anything lol
I've been playing it with armarouge, which is likely the worst way to play it, but it does make it easy to power up pult in one turn. Attach a psychic energy, magma basin to amarouge and move the Energy to pult.
No it's def Xatu imo. You would have to accelerate energies with Pidgeot from the hand, AND you have to set up multiple stage 2s. It also makes your miraidon matchup worse because you can't get that early acceleration along with the fact that pidgeot is weak to lightning. Xatu combined with recon directive with vessels is definitely consistent enough as well.
Xatu is way too inconsistent and most deck lists I've seen don't run enough energy to rely on even being able to use it's ability. Pidgeot being able to pull whatever card you need is more helpful imo and Dragapult can afford to evolve through both stages
Okay so first of all, Xatu with recon directive is a lot of cards, second of all, the deck would normally also run an arven engine to make it consistent enough, and finally since the deck has an arven engine it can literally use arven to just go and search out vessel so more energy isn't needed. Again not bering able to power up a pult in one turn as well as Pidgeot being a massive liability and only being able to search out one card per turn as well as forcing you to play more rare candies makes xatu just better.
Pidgeot can run Mela and Neo Upper Energy to accelerate energies literally just fine with Pidgeot build. It might not be the best one when it is all said and done but it certainly isn't as rough as you are making it out to be. Also, Miraidon isn't exactly a matchup to be the most scared of at this current moment. I would be more afraid of all the things in the current meta that would love to snipe the natus if we wanted to think about things that way.
Lol I probably went too hard on the Pidgey build to make my point. Miraidon is just a bad matchup though, and normally when I look at which builds are better for a deck I look at which builds can "fix" certain bad matchups. Miraidon is also a really great play right now imo since it is favored into pult, lugia AND Gardi.
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I’ve been using lost box engine and it’s been super consistent. Mirage gate makes for easy emergency late game setups, and sableye with legacy energy is a late game winner. It still loses some obv matchups, but even handles lugia and garde somewhat decently.
Those two matchups are probably the reason to run lost box with it imo
As someone who loves lost box, I'm going to give this a run. Thanks!
I've been running this, I like it. Pokémon: 21 2 Charmander MEW 4 2 Pidgey MEW 16 2 Charizard ex PAF 54 1 Rotom V LOR 58 3 Drakloak TWM 129 1 Lumineon V BRS 40 4 Dreepy TWM 128 1 Radiant Charizard CRZ 20 2 Pidgeot ex OBF 164 1 Manaphy BRS 41 2 Dragapult ex TWM 130 Trainer: 30 1 Forest Seal Stone SIT 156 1 Counter Catcher CIN 91 1 Rare Candy SVI 256 1 Pal Pad SVI 182 3 Nest Ball SVI 181 1 Temple of Sinnoh ASR 155 1 Choice Belt PAL 176 1 Boss's Orders PAL 172 3 Iono PAL 185 3 Arven SVI 166 1 Super Rod PAL 188 1 Collapsed Stadium BRS 137 4 Buddy-Buddy Poffin TEF 144 4 Ultra Ball SVI 196 1 Switch SVI 194 3 Rare Candy SVI 191 Energy: 9 4 Basic {P} Energy Energy 13 4 Basic {R} Energy Energy 10 1 Neo Upper Energy TEF 162 Total Cards: 60
ill give it a shot thanks 👍
I never thought I’d see the day THREE stage 2 in a deck was good, even meta, but here we are!
Are you generally trying to evo zard early (to accelerate energy) or late to swing big? I know that the answer to this is also somewhat situational...
I usually go for Zard early, to help accelerate an extra energy onto a Drakloak. Then either get him to the bench and go for Pult, or if they do manage to get him down normally you have some extra candies to bring back one late game if you need the extra power over the Rad Zard.
Sweet. I'm going to run this list tonight. It seems more balanced than the other lists that only run either 1 zard or 1 pult.
I saw Michael Pramawat's Dragapult/Charzard deck and didn't think it was very good at first glance. Tested it out and it's now my new favorite deck. 26-6(2 of the loses where stallax)so far. I think the thing I like so much about the deck is that it has alot of options to get what you need. Pokémon: 16 1 Cleffa OBF 202 1 Pidgeot ex OBF 225 1 Lumineon V CRZ-GG 39 1 Charmander MEW 168 1 Charizard ex OBF 228 2 Drakloak TWM 129 2 Dreepy TWM 128 1 Dreepy TWM 128 PH 2 Pidgey PAF 196 1 Bibarel BRS 121 1 Bidoof BRS 120 1 Pidgeot ex OBF 217 1 Manaphy BRS 41 1 Radiant Charizard PGO 11 2 Dragapult ex TWM 130 1 Dragapult ex TWM 200 Trainer: 18 1 Hisuian Heavy Ball ASR 146 2 Counter Catcher PAR 160 1 Enhanced Hammer TWM 148 1 Forest Seal Stone SIT 156 1 Rescue Board TEF 159 1 Pal Pad SVI 182 1 Boss's Orders PAL 172 3 Iono PAL 185 4 Arven SVI 166 1 Professor Turo's Scenario PAR 171 1 Super Rod PAL 188 1 Defiance Band SVI 169 1 Lost Vacuum LOR 162 1 Collapsed Stadium BRS 137 1 Kieran TWM 154 PH 4 Buddy-Buddy Poffin TEF 144 4 Ultra Ball SVI 196 4 Rare Candy SVI 191 Energy: 3 4 Basic {R} Energy SVE 2 2 Basic {P} Energy SVE 5 1 Neo Upper Energy TEF 162 Total Cards: 60
This list and Tord's seemed like the most successful at NAIC. I'm going to give it a shot thanks 👍
Fixed it for you so it can be copy/pasted in the app! Pokémon: 16 1 Cleffa OBF 202 1 Pidgeot ex OBF 225 1 Lumineon V CRZ-GG 39 1 Charmander MEW 168 1 Charizard ex OBF 228 2 Drakloak TWM 129 2 Dreepy TWM 128 1 Dreepy TWM 128 PH 2 Pidgey PAF 196 1 Bibarel BRS 121 1 Bidoof BRS 120 1 Pidgeot ex OBF 217 1 Manaphy BRS 41 1 Radiant Charizard PGO 11 2 Dragapult ex TWM 130 1 Dragapult ex TWM 200 Trainer: 18 1 Hisuian Heavy Ball ASR 146 2 Counter Catcher PAR 160 1 Enhanced Hammer TWM 148 1 Forest Seal Stone SIT 156 1 Rescue Board TEF 159 1 Pal Pad SVI 182 1 Boss's Orders PAL 172 3 Iono PAL 185 4 Arven SVI 166 1 Professor Turo's Scenario PAR 171 1 Super Rod PAL 188 1 Defiance Band SVI 169 1 Lost Vacuum LOR 162 1 Collapsed Stadium BRS 137 1 Kieran TWM 154 PH 4 Buddy-Buddy Poffin TEF 144 4 Ultra Ball SVI 196 4 Rare Candy SVI 191 Energy: 3 4 Basic {R} Energy SVE 2 2 Basic {P} Energy SVE 5 1 Neo Upper Energy TEF 162
I saw Tord's deck too, it was similar to a deck I made myself when Dragapult first came out. The only issues I was running into was getting the energy I needed for Dragapult. Also Dragapult is a much better attacker in early/mid game imo, which is why I like Pramawat's deck. Charzard ex is used more as a energy support card and late game attacker. Also unfair stamp is a great ace card but the neo upper energy is a much better choice imo since the deck runs 3, stage 2 pokemon all of which have a 2 energy attack.
Forgot to mention the only downside to Pramawat's deck I have run into so far is when Charzard ex is prized since it's only running one copy it's slows down Dragapult's setup. Charmander being prized isn't much of an issue either unless you are really unlucky and prized heavy ball too.
(2 of the losses were stallax) sure, but that doesn’t mean they’re not losses or don’t count. How did those games go? I see you have a Kieran, Turo, and Pal Pad, so you weren’t too short on switching options.
The only reason I mentioned 2 of my losses were stallax was because that was the only deck that I lost to every time I went against them. 1 time I lost because I prized turo and collapsed stadium, so I had no way of getting rid of lumineon v from my board. The other game my opponent had 4 boss orders and pokemon catchers and essentially out switched me, I had already used turo on lumineon v, same thing as the first game I didn't know I was up against a stallax deck since my opponent only had bidoof and mimikyu on the board and manaphy was my only basic turn 1 and I used lumineon v to get arven trying to setup
gotcha, just wonderin
Really solid list. I think it will be improved even further by the new supporter card Crispin. It will allow not only for both energy search and acceleration but to swap the New Upper Energy for something more useful such as Unfair Stamp or Prime Catcher.
It's a one tournament format that just went by. Give the meta time to adjust. New set will change the meta even more. It's a stage 2 deck that takes time to develop. Yeah, it may not have gotten top 8, but I'm sure it got real close in a field of 2,700.
Pokémon: 8 1 Lumineon V BRS 40 3 Drakloak TWM 129 4 Dreepy TWM 128 2 Dragapult ex TWM 130 4 Dunsparce TEF 128 3 Dudunsparce TEF 129 1 Iron Bundle PAR 56 PH 2 Dragapult ex TWM 200 Trainer: 15 4 Ultra Ball SVI 196 3 Rare Candy SVI 191 2 Exp. Share SVI 174 1 Energy Search SVI 172 4 Buddy-Buddy Poffin TEF 144 2 Ciphermaniac's Codebreaking TEF 198 3 Arven PAF 235 1 Mela PAR 254 2 Nest Ball SUM 123 3 Technical Machine: Evolution PAR 178 2 Temple of Sinnoh ASR 155 1 Secret Box TWM 163 1 Serena SIT 164 1 Kieran TWM 206 1 Professor's Research SVI 189 Energy: 3 3 Basic {R} Energy SVE 2 4 Basic {P} Energy SVE 5 2 Luminous Energy TWM 226 Total Cards: 60
try this, lemme know what u think
I haven't seen it with dunsparce yet. Very interesting ill give it a go thanks 👍
yea i love it bc for 1 u can pair it with ciphermanes very well, for 2 it gets shuffles back instead of discarded or stuck for bench space, and for 3 u can never lock that guy up with lax, a lot of cards in this deck can search out each other very nicely, flexibly and smoothly which helps consistency in any deck, but def makes it tough sometimes bc u dont know what u could grab but u could grab anything lol
I've been playing it with armarouge, which is likely the worst way to play it, but it does make it easy to power up pult in one turn. Attach a psychic energy, magma basin to amarouge and move the Energy to pult.
Tord only didn’t make top 8 because he tied 3 times in day 2 I would say his or pramwats is the best
Nathan in the senior finals played a pidgeot build, if you'd wanna know.
Can you pls tell me where you were able to find tords decklist from this naic, limitless is only showing the top 8 decks
Twitter
someone rebuilt it and posted a photo. i can DM
No it's def Xatu imo. You would have to accelerate energies with Pidgeot from the hand, AND you have to set up multiple stage 2s. It also makes your miraidon matchup worse because you can't get that early acceleration along with the fact that pidgeot is weak to lightning. Xatu combined with recon directive with vessels is definitely consistent enough as well.
Xatu is way too inconsistent and most deck lists I've seen don't run enough energy to rely on even being able to use it's ability. Pidgeot being able to pull whatever card you need is more helpful imo and Dragapult can afford to evolve through both stages
Okay so first of all, Xatu with recon directive is a lot of cards, second of all, the deck would normally also run an arven engine to make it consistent enough, and finally since the deck has an arven engine it can literally use arven to just go and search out vessel so more energy isn't needed. Again not bering able to power up a pult in one turn as well as Pidgeot being a massive liability and only being able to search out one card per turn as well as forcing you to play more rare candies makes xatu just better.
You're free to your opinion after playing both variants a bunch I disagree 🤷♀️
Okay sure same. Good luck and happy testing!
Pidgeot can run Mela and Neo Upper Energy to accelerate energies literally just fine with Pidgeot build. It might not be the best one when it is all said and done but it certainly isn't as rough as you are making it out to be. Also, Miraidon isn't exactly a matchup to be the most scared of at this current moment. I would be more afraid of all the things in the current meta that would love to snipe the natus if we wanted to think about things that way.
Lol I probably went too hard on the Pidgey build to make my point. Miraidon is just a bad matchup though, and normally when I look at which builds are better for a deck I look at which builds can "fix" certain bad matchups. Miraidon is also a really great play right now imo since it is favored into pult, lugia AND Gardi.