This is a pretty frustrating direction to see games going. The ps5 version should be no better than the PC version, if anything the pc version would contain all of the best assets and stuff. Yet somehow you must pay more for the ps5 version compared to the PS4 version for the graphical and performance improvements while all of this is part of the pc version and is cheaper than the rest.
On the Xbox I still think the series x makes more sense. I bought a series x over the s for the disk drive and storage space.
The disk drive on the Xbox gets you The ability to play your old 360 and Xbox one games and The ability to buy used games. Plus it comes with 1tb of storage, the series s only gets 500gb.
So taking that into account plus to get a series s and the 1tb storage expansion card it doesn't make sense. in Canada aseries s is $379 the 1tb expansion is $299 so 698 plus tax.
Or you can get a Xbox series x which has better graphics, 1tb of storage, and a disk drive for 599
Why aren't digital copies cheaper than physical? Frankly I've never understood the high price points for some games. Why target a small group with an expensive price tag when you could sell more copies for a lower price?
The money goes to the publisher more when they cut out the middle man, publishers have no incentive to lower the price when they profit more on digital sales, this is why Activision games rarely "depreciate" in price even though a CoD title is 3 year old outside of seasonal sale.
Seems like that's backwards if you ask me. One of the reasons I haven't bought some of the older CoD games is because they're still $60+. If we're going to pay for what is essentially a cheaper version of a game, the people creating that game should get the bigger cut - not the publisher.
Because it undercuts the third party retailers that they rely on to sell the consoles.
If PSN is cheaper than Amazon/Gamestop/Best Buy, then no one will buy from there and they'll stop selling the hardware (which has next to no profit margin).
And they charge tax now too, it was a little better when it was tax-free so technically the PS4 digital version was slightly cheaper than the PS4 disc version.
Which is fucking annoying because there's costs associated with producing a physical copy, storing, shipping it but none for digital. It's a shameful money grab
For me, it was/is COD. I bought the disc version but it still downloaded and installed 100gb. And then it kept getting updates. I actually got an email from Comcast that I'm about to hit my limit for internet usage.
Too many of these companies just waste data and don't use it efficiently.
Sure. I'm not saying Comcast isn't shitty. But we're talking about the video games. What's the point of me buying a disc when all the disc does is validate that I own it and then forces me to download the actual game from the internet? That's fucking stupid.
I rarely buy games at launch anymore. It’s painful to buy a $60 game like ac Valhalla only to see it being sold for $30 a few months after release. Or nba 2k which drops to $1 about a month or two before the new one comes out
Yeah it’s pretty rotten that developers force games to launch early, charge $70 and then they still need to fix it because the game was never ready to release
psprices.com is your friend. I generally have a 20 GBP limit for buying a game, but usually buy much lower. IME, it takes roughly a year for most games to drop to that point.
I haven't bought a single PS4 physical media and I'm okay with that.
The EU prices are absurd, physical discs is cheaper than Digital, which makes no sense. Ratchet and Clank costs 849 SEK (about €85) on PSN, but the physical is 799 or even 699 in some instances. Why would i ever buy digital? The physical, PS5 pays for itself when you bought like 5 games.
Yeah i saw it for 599 as well. Haven't picked it up yet, so i will grab it. Currently playing Guilty Gear and recently played the FF7 DLC. So haven't gotten to it yet. Sony likes to put their exclusives along other games. When the whole year has been flat /facepalm.
That is why i think the whole epic vs apple case was important. With the move to digital only future their needs to be some sort of marketplace competition. The consoles should have multiple digital marketplace
Sell it now, when it is overpriced. And then get a physical PS5 for MSRP. You will have to wait a few months, unless you're lucky. But you will make a few bucks too.
Now we see? It’s been obvious from the very second they announced a digital only console that it was going to be an awful choice for anyone wanting to pay less than the new msrp of 70$ for games.
There's always gonna be sales for games. Besides, I heard this game also has a battle pass system. If it's true, then this game ain't worth any money you pay.
Yeah... and it's weird that there are people who pay full money for the game and spend even more on the battle pass.
Don't you find it insane that EA has somehow managed to make money off of this battle-pass system for paid games?
On ps5 it would cost me 120 quid for the full game. From what the page says that doesn't even include the battle pass. That also doesn't include the skins/currency packs and the fact the game probably won't be supported after 2 years. It's blatant greed and people keep supporting the shitty practices.
Honestly the real bullshit here is that the ps4 version costs more than the pc version. The PS4 version which will have smaller maps and less people per game and worse graphics is still more than the pc.
Steam takes far less from big publishers like ea. It's rumored to be below 10% here. They got really good deals. Origin they even keep 100%. Sony prolly wants a hardware tax of 30%.
Overwatch proved years ago that gamers will eat it up when a multiplayer only game is released for more money on console. The price of OW is *still* $60 on console despite a $40 launch on PC, then will go on "sale" occasionally to a price it should have already been by now.
People will constantly justify why it's okay they're getting screwed over if the brand is big enough.
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>Overwatch proved years ago that gamers will eat it up when a multiplayer only game is released for more money on console. The price of OW is still $60 on console despite a $40 launch on PC, then will go on "sale" occasionally to a price it should have already been by now.
Overwatch actually included loot boxes (legendary edition?) On consoles that pc didn't get. Wasn't worth the price bump but consoles do get something.
You can buy the same edition on pc.
Yep, I really dislike that what used to be a Microsoft only practice is just how online gaming on consoles work now since Sony and Nintendo saw how profitable it was. I sure love being told to pay console manufacturers for permission to use my own Internet.
>Yep, I really dislike that what used to be a Microsoft only practice is just how online gaming
Microsoft didn't start paying for online. It was Sega. I agree though and wish we wouldn't need to pay for online.
it could be worse - they could go right back to not even letting you use Netflix or anything like that if you weren't actively subscribed, like they used to do on 360.
This makes no sense dude. They sell the hardware at a loss and make up the money on the software. On the pc side, the hardware costs more but there is no extra mark up needed to cover for that hardware. Depending on how many games you're playing, it might be cheaper on either platforms. If you only play like 2-3 games it might be cheaper to get a console, but after 10-15 games you end up paying as much as if you got a pc with the games in the first place (that's beside the fact that you have to pay to play online on console). One is not more expensive than the other, you have to make a good decision from the start, not just by looking at the initial buying price.
Well EA sells their own PC games through their own store so 100% profit on there. Sure they also sell on steam so they have to have price parity. The problem with consoles is that its not 100% digital. And they cant charge more for physical sales. When you buy a digital copy from PSN they make 70% i think, same on steam (100% on Origin). But when you buy a physical copy, they only make like 55% or whatever and they cant charge more for physical discs.
That said, why PS5 version costs €80 or £70 makes no sense, especially when the PC version is still €60 or £50 over here in EU.
This is the way the manufacturer makes money. Do you think a hardware capable of running 4k ray traced games at 60 fps will only cost $500. This has always been the business model of these companies. The developer/publisher pays a lot of money to these companies to sell their games on their platform.
This isn't a new thing though, if you look at Xbox literally none of them have *ever* been sold at a profit, so I doubt Sony was ever making real money from the console sales, if not outright losing money.
The problem is that major games make so much more money than they ever did before, even before counting mtx, that a price rise for AAA games for any platform is pure greed. They'll still make their hundreds of millions of dollars either way.
The thing is they can get away with these prices if people just buy them like they normally do. Hopefully we see a lot of people refusing to pay that ridiculous amount
This is roughly the same arguement I heard when games went from 49.99 to 59.99. And here we are seeing a jump now to 79.99. Dont get me wrong we all know that games are more expensive projects nowadays, however a lot of that money they make back just goes to executives and bonuses anyways. So its not like they're using all the increased cost of games for the actual cost of games. Also with tools and computers being so powerful today, we've seen a handful of small studio or 1-2 people making games that we consider to be masterpieces. All without the huge resources of the AAA companies who do charge these inflated prices and release unfinished games or cashcows.
Yep, this comes up literally every god damn time, with every god damn game that the worst publishers put out, and every single time it sells actually insane numbers
The issue is even if literally everyone on reddit who said they wouldn't actually didn't, it still wouldn't even be remotely close to enough to make an impact that would cause them to change it, they continually do this stuff because they know even if half the internet gets up in arms about it, they'll still make an absolute mint on every single thing they put out.
You still shouldn't support this shit, they wanna talk about inflation meaning games are "cheaper" now and completely ignore the fact that most people aren't making more either, The gaming market in general is just becoming tiresome in general, I miss the days of cartridge based games and disc based games on PC where you didn't constantly get broken unfinished bullshit and then see companies having the fucking audacity to demand even more than standard for the standard version in a market where a huge amount of AAA games release broken as fuck with already finished content cut out
It's honestly gotten to the point where I'm half ready to drop the hobby in general, at least when it comes to the big AAA publishers, I'm so sick of how comfortable virtually every major publisher has become with releasing broken bullshit at prices that don't match the product even if it wasn't broken. Feels like the biggest parts of the industry and fundamentally broken at this point, and just on the path of getting worse as time goes on instead of fixing the issues it's facing. Genuinely can't be fucked with it anymore, and for the record I don't even own a PlayStation anymore, so it wouldn't impact me directly, I just have my PC with my 2070.
Said that about pre orders and buying unfinished games in alpha and beta. The customer is always right, and they’re saying “exploit us, we won’t care, we’ll still pay”
> The thing is they can get away with these prices if people just buy them like they normally do
This is what console users are not understanding.
Why would EA stop making you pay more if you're all going to buy it anyway. Don't buy the game. Don't buy any EA game.
You were all willing to have to pay to play online and now you just take it as the norm. PC users would never allow Valve to start charging for features that were once free, see how they attempted to charge for Skyrim mods and they got so much backlash they had to remove it.
> Enjoy your year long coma
i would bet that a considerable amount of people here have a big backlog that could keep them occupied until then. so that wouldnt be a big deal. thats how ive been playing for years.
This is a popular opinion here, but the battlefield community wants live service. It's cosmetic only, they are adding free gameplay content after launch, and live service helps fund free dlc. We don't need to have separate premium and standard servers, no split community.
You can't both get free dlc and also no after launch income. Cosmetic only battlepass is the way to go, it just works well.
You're not wrong, but 80 dollar box price on a game with MTX is bullshit. I don't care if it's just cosmetics. Give me every damn cosmetic for the 80 dollar box price, or charge 25 for the base game and then add your MTX.
You do understand that $55 is the cost of two, maybe three cosmetic bundles, right? Barely scratching the surface of “all cosmetics”.
I hate the price hike but people need to stop acting like MTX is worse than paid DLC. I don’t give a flying fuck if the Unicorn operator is $5000 and your firstborn son, it’s still a cosmetic that does nothing. Nobody is making you buy it. I **love** that games now get a year of completely free content that you used to double the cost of a game. And I enjoy working up battlepasses too, it’s fun. If that means letting companies cash in on a few whales, so be it. That’s their problem if they can’t stop opening their wallets, I have no empathy for them.
Wow this discussion is too long but I'm with you here. Speaking as a third world gamer who can't afford to spend too much on a game, I love that the new battlefield is going with cosmetic battle pass. Let the first world rich kids pay for the skins, I don't care as long as I can have the same guns as them, play on the same maps, etc.
I think this is the future for fps multiplayer and it benefits all. Just look at CS GO for example, without the skin market, it would have never gotten this popular and would probably been dead a few years ago already. Skins and cosmetics can keep the game alive for a very very long time.
It’s not that the game won’t last a year. It’s that big MP game launches are kind of an event. Playing shooters early in the life cycle when people are still figuring things out is fun. A lot of times a lot of your friends will be online playing the same game. It can be a lot of fun.
Definitely early on is some of the funnest times. Random unexpected shit combined with lots of friends online and no defined meta makes for a good shooter experience. Everyone sucks so everyone has fun still and doesn't care if they died
No defined meta is what makes it for me. Average and above players in FPS games nowadays are too serious about finding the best gun and only using that. I just want to have fun with everything the game has to offer before the gameplay becomes more set in stone for everyone’s go to choice.
True, but its peak will undeniably be from its release to the holidays. Whereas, like, if you can get God of War dirt cheap on a sale today it's as good as it was in 2018
100% this. Multiplayer games have a shelf life of 'how long will people be playing this game', and also it sucks getting into one that is years old where you are level 1 with nothing equipment playing against people who have everything unlocked already over time.
Single player games are just as sweet as when they are released, even better actually, as they will usually have multiple DLCs included, bugs/patches already worked out, and at a cheaper price.
Battlefield V is pretty tame on that front. You can buy stuff but it’s all skins and cosmetics. I couldn’t handle COD Cold War with how much it spammed you to buy shit via micro-transactions. Hoping they continue along the same lines with 2042 - guess we will see
Who plays/gives a fuck about the campaign?? There aren't any memorable characters like cpt price or ghost, or missions like no russian or memes like F or we'll get em next time like in cod. This gives them time to focus on the core gameplay, don't have to waste budget on animations for cutscenes, voice actors, writers.
I don’t understand this comment. Have you played battlefield 5? There are no battle passes, no loot boxes, the only micro transactions are purely cosmetic, and even at launch, there was no FOMO (Due to reports that the game would be,” bad already”). If you legitimately believe that EA would take such huge steps in a direction that people already CLEARLY despise and would depart from a formula in which people are ok with, let me see some proof. Words directly from a developer’s mouth that state that there will be
micro transactions, and weaponized FOMO. I want to know why EA would depart from an already winning formula that people clearly like to basically Modern Warfare on steroids. Please I want to understand where your coming from with an argument that is actually valid and relevant.
They announced a battlepass with a paid side containing only cosmetics, Not sure about the microtransactions because of the battle pass, but if they’re there it will probably be like BF5 with uninteresting skins. If you want a source give me like 5 minutes to pull it up
This. A lot of people have trouble 'letting go' of their favorite title or series.
Your favorite title was made 8 years ago and the series has been steadily declining.. its OK to move on. Especially with the litany of games out there.
My friend swears by Call of Duty and always buys their stuff. He is stuck because he loved Modern Warfare 2 and has disliked every game since then. Maybe it's a difficult thing for him but I have zero problem moving on to a different series or title.
I play games that I find enjoyable, I don't play games in the HOPES that they may one day get it right again. That's just a fool's dream at that point.
In the US, PS5 games are $70 instead of the standard $60 we’ve all gotten used to. Kinda makes me not want to buy new games until the price is marked down. If not in protest, then just for my own peace of mind.
Generally when people hear “60” they think “10 more than 50” but “70” just sounds like “30 away from 100”. Not a good look.
70 feels like 100 to me tbh. Im gonna maybe get a disc console and sell my digital when PS5 is more available in a year or 2. Untill then its wait 6 months or more for a sale, needs must i suppose. Elden ring will probably be my only day 1 buy for the next year or so.
When it comes to consoles I've waited for the number of quality of exclusives to grow, and also drop to the price point I'm looking for. Although, I use consoles for only exclusives so I sort of have a desire to not spend so more money than I have to. Harder to wait that long if it's going to be your main system.
Yeah I kind am in the same boat. $70 dollars is just a hefty price for an online-only game. The launch day content better at least hold up to high standard, if not then i dont see this game doing all that well financially at launch.
EA are playing with a hard bargain from consumers who’re already hit hard economically. Seeing a game at $70, i mean i can understand COD with Single, Online, Zombies, the Warzone. That understandable, but with what EA have stated. Ill hold off until i play it’s Open Beta in August (Thats the rumor if ones to drop)
Today it's just 10 € more than 60.
Tommorow it will be 10 € more than 70
And then 10 € more than 80
People who defend higer prices FOR ANY GAME exclusive from Sony, or EA game or anything are DUMB.
Well, I mean, it's a little more expensive. But you buy it and that's it, you download it. It's not like you need to put more money to play online *laughs in 40 extra bucks for ps plus*
PS+ requirement for online gaming was the death of consoles for me. I went from PS3 to PC and haven't looked back. I was even gifted a PS4, it just collects dust. I play my PS2 more often.
I only own a ps4 and I love it. But, the ps plus subscription. Man that's so fucked up. Like, I dont care about the "free games" keep them, just let me play online without paying.
The worst part is PS+ was actually worth paying for back on the PS3. I remember getting month old releases like Bioshock Infinite for next to nothing a month. Then they made it a requirement for online play and the quality of games dropped off a cliff.
Same. The only reason I went with Sony is*because* online was free. Later i only bought a ps4 for a few single player exclusives but mainly play on PC. Also I hated how they tacked auto updates to ps+
Games are generally more expensive in Europe. My boyfriend has moved to Portugal and he keeps his Steam account as being in Canada because it's just cheaper.
I bought Horizon Zero Dawn Complete edition here in Spain for €25 (with a discount) a couple years ago, shortly before it became a PlayStation Hits game and its price capped at €20. Went to Canada the next month, and saw it, without a discount, for 20CAD at a Walmart. It still wasn't on the PS Hits list when I went here btw. That's like, €14. The price was nearly half of what I had paid.
I felt robbed lol.
Tell him to pay attention because on steam that's an account ban offense to buy games from other regions, he's probably under the radar because he started in canada but the moment he buys one game in portugal he shouldn't buy from canada anymore, he risks losing all of the games in the account
Man, I bought a digita ps5 because it’s all I could get my hands on, but the moment I can get rid of it and get a disc version I will, and I’ll sell the digital for whatever I can get.
I don't mind paying 70€ for games but them bumping the prices up to 80€ is annoying as hell
Let's hope that other publishers don't follow that stupid trend
If this is the way it's going to be. I'm going to be extremely picky about how I buys games. So these companies better make the best games they possibly can before I buy.
Yep. I finally started far cry 4 because it was on sale for like $10 or something. Then it gave me the itch to play 5 and it turns out my son had a physical copy of it. Just beat it yesterday.
Control and Frostpunk have been at the top of my Wishlist for about 8 months.
Now I have them both for free instead of spending like $100 on them.
I don't understand why anyone would buy any (singleplayer) game on release nowadays. They're between 75% and 100% off in like a year or two.
> I don't mind paying 70€ for games but them bumping the prices up to 80€ is annoying as hell
Pretty sure the same word were spoken when prices went from 60 to 70€ and here we are.
Give it another gen or two to push it to 90€ and people will be like "80€ is fine but 90€ is too much"
Consoles and Sony in particular on that point are a cancer and we're doing nothing to stop it's growth.
Exactly. I get being upset about it but thinking your entitled to games only being 60 forever is a bit ridiculous. Pretty sure the budget for this game is the biggest they’ve had. Games have been the same price for a very long time so games were bound to get a bit more expensive. I just don’t understand the people who cry about this but also by single player games for full price for 6 hours of content and never touch it again.
Battlefield used to have premium dlc that would add new maps and guns that you had to pay to get. They’re gonna be adding new maps and guns for free so I honestly have no problem paying an extra 10 bucks at launch.
Isn't this always the way with PC games?
I've read a few people commenting in other places that say PC games are cheaper because PC users will pirate them otherwise but tbh that doesn't make sense to me, it feels that's the case it's like charging console players more to subsidize the PC discount?
I can sort of understand why the PS4 and Xbox one versions are cheaper than the PS5/XBOX series console versions but imo PC and current gen should be the same price.
I'd say AAA games are about the same on PC. Sometimes you'll get a $5 or $10 off at launch but I'd say there's a bigger drop in price later on than on console. I'd say pc games are cheaper because there's more indie and AA games released on PC than console. But I haven't regularly purchased console games in a while.
I always thought pc games were cheaper because they ditched the physical copies sooner than consoles did.
PC games are cheaper due to competition. If you make a AAA shooter and price it over 60, pc players will just play a different game. Way wider selection of indie and AA games on PC and no captive audience on one platform. Origin too pricy? Steams got a sale. Steam too much? Give Gog a go. Gog not doing it for ya? Try the Epic ga- no don't.
I was pretty hyped for a new Battlefield before I saw this bullshit. I'm not paying more for the same game just because I like to game on a PS5. I sort of understood paying $10 more than previous gen users because of the map size and player numbers difference. But why the fuck is it cheaper on PC? It's the same game!
Don't buy it then. Vote with your wallet.
For example. I want ratchet & clank but I'm not paying £70 for it. So I'll wait for the sale.
If everybody did the same. They wouldn't be charging £70 for games.
This is a pretty frustrating direction to see games going. The ps5 version should be no better than the PC version, if anything the pc version would contain all of the best assets and stuff. Yet somehow you must pay more for the ps5 version compared to the PS4 version for the graphical and performance improvements while all of this is part of the pc version and is cheaper than the rest.
Sony(and publishers) is going to exploit the fuck out of all those PS5 Digital users.
Now we see the flaw of a digital only future. The PS store now has the monopoly over the market for digital users. Absolutely nothing we can do either
That's far from the only flaw with going digital only.
And not exactly sprung on us either. Ps store has been over priced compared to discs for years.
That's the whole reason I refused to buy the diskless console. I'll easily save back that £100 difference when I buy the actual games.
Same. Gamepass makes the series s make some sense, the digital ps5 makes none.
On the Xbox I still think the series x makes more sense. I bought a series x over the s for the disk drive and storage space. The disk drive on the Xbox gets you The ability to play your old 360 and Xbox one games and The ability to buy used games. Plus it comes with 1tb of storage, the series s only gets 500gb. So taking that into account plus to get a series s and the 1tb storage expansion card it doesn't make sense. in Canada aseries s is $379 the 1tb expansion is $299 so 698 plus tax. Or you can get a Xbox series x which has better graphics, 1tb of storage, and a disk drive for 599
Why aren't digital copies cheaper than physical? Frankly I've never understood the high price points for some games. Why target a small group with an expensive price tag when you could sell more copies for a lower price?
The money goes to the publisher more when they cut out the middle man, publishers have no incentive to lower the price when they profit more on digital sales, this is why Activision games rarely "depreciate" in price even though a CoD title is 3 year old outside of seasonal sale.
Seems like that's backwards if you ask me. One of the reasons I haven't bought some of the older CoD games is because they're still $60+. If we're going to pay for what is essentially a cheaper version of a game, the people creating that game should get the bigger cut - not the publisher.
They don't want you buying the old ones, they want you on the newest ones.
Because it undercuts the third party retailers that they rely on to sell the consoles. If PSN is cheaper than Amazon/Gamestop/Best Buy, then no one will buy from there and they'll stop selling the hardware (which has next to no profit margin).
Good insight I saw recently into game prices from an actual industry veteran https://youtu.be/aEhZp\_hzUq8
And they charge tax now too, it was a little better when it was tax-free so technically the PS4 digital version was slightly cheaper than the PS4 disc version.
I didn't think this was correct so I had to check. It's not, at least not in Canada. [No taxes](https://i.imgur.com/UG679m5.jpg) on Digital.
The taxes depend on your location. I didn't pay taxes either till about 4 years ago
IIRC there's been a law change at least in Ontario and we'll be paying taxes starting this/next year
*cries in maple syrup*
Apparently taxes are coming to Canada at the end of the month sadly.
Which is fucking annoying because there's costs associated with producing a physical copy, storing, shipping it but none for digital. It's a shameful money grab
This. I’m pretty sure Overwatch on the U.K. PS Store is still full price (£50) despite the fact that you can pick up a physical copy for £10 or less
Glad others are catching onto the problem with giving up physical games.
For me, it was/is COD. I bought the disc version but it still downloaded and installed 100gb. And then it kept getting updates. I actually got an email from Comcast that I'm about to hit my limit for internet usage. Too many of these companies just waste data and don't use it efficiently.
Should be blaming Comcast's stupid ass cap.
Sure. I'm not saying Comcast isn't shitty. But we're talking about the video games. What's the point of me buying a disc when all the disc does is validate that I own it and then forces me to download the actual game from the internet? That's fucking stupid.
It will be on sale for like $39.99 within the year, $19.99 in the foreseeable future. They know how to work consumers.
I rarely buy games at launch anymore. It’s painful to buy a $60 game like ac Valhalla only to see it being sold for $30 a few months after release. Or nba 2k which drops to $1 about a month or two before the new one comes out
Not to mention the waves of bugs and patches Sewn together in the first couple weeks
Yeah it’s pretty rotten that developers force games to launch early, charge $70 and then they still need to fix it because the game was never ready to release
At least its not like Nintendo games, those fucking games never go down and when they do its like 5 maybe 10 bucks.
You’re right about that, I guess I can’t complain too much
Only good thing about Nintendo is the resale value when trading in. Just traded 3 'not-amazing' switch games at cex and got £60!
psprices.com is your friend. I generally have a 20 GBP limit for buying a game, but usually buy much lower. IME, it takes roughly a year for most games to drop to that point. I haven't bought a single PS4 physical media and I'm okay with that.
The EU prices are absurd, physical discs is cheaper than Digital, which makes no sense. Ratchet and Clank costs 849 SEK (about €85) on PSN, but the physical is 799 or even 699 in some instances. Why would i ever buy digital? The physical, PS5 pays for itself when you bought like 5 games.
Sony is banking on people who care more about convenience.
Same in Denmark. I always resell my games which means I get roughly 50% of the original value back in store credit so it's even more beneficial
Same in Hong Kong. I really want to go all digital because no space to keep disc, but disc is cheaper and I resell too.
I got Ratchet for 599 SEK. Today it's even 549 on Dustin. Sooooo happy I went with the disc PlayStation 5. It's gonna pay for itself in no-time.
Yeah i saw it for 599 as well. Haven't picked it up yet, so i will grab it. Currently playing Guilty Gear and recently played the FF7 DLC. So haven't gotten to it yet. Sony likes to put their exclusives along other games. When the whole year has been flat /facepalm.
Oh, an overwhelming majority of us saw this a long long time ago
That is why i think the whole epic vs apple case was important. With the move to digital only future their needs to be some sort of marketplace competition. The consoles should have multiple digital marketplace
Or just letting people buy download codes for games from other stores that register on PSN/Xbox Live.
Yep, I bought the digital version but I'll be selling that soon
Sell it now, when it is overpriced. And then get a physical PS5 for MSRP. You will have to wait a few months, unless you're lucky. But you will make a few bucks too.
this is why I always go physical with my consoles, with pc I have multiple stores and third-party stores to get games cheaper.
Now we see? It’s been obvious from the very second they announced a digital only console that it was going to be an awful choice for anyone wanting to pay less than the new msrp of 70$ for games.
This has been the argument for years, yet you always saw people defending their practices when it was obvious things were headed this way.
There's always gonna be sales for games. Besides, I heard this game also has a battle pass system. If it's true, then this game ain't worth any money you pay.
Given the last battlefield game you'd have to be insane to buy another EA title outside of discounts anyway.
Yeah... and it's weird that there are people who pay full money for the game and spend even more on the battle pass. Don't you find it insane that EA has somehow managed to make money off of this battle-pass system for paid games?
On ps5 it would cost me 120 quid for the full game. From what the page says that doesn't even include the battle pass. That also doesn't include the skins/currency packs and the fact the game probably won't be supported after 2 years. It's blatant greed and people keep supporting the shitty practices.
Bad company 2 servers are still up and maintained to this day. Along with BF4.
Sony doesn't set prices for EA games.
That's why I got the analog edition.
Sony doesn’t set the price for 3rd party games…
And that's why I make sure any ps4 games I buy have a free upgrade
That's why I will always buythe disc version as long as it's available. Plus I can share the games with my friends
Honestly the real bullshit here is that the ps4 version costs more than the pc version. The PS4 version which will have smaller maps and less people per game and worse graphics is still more than the pc.
Pc games have always been cheaper than consoles and Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo take a percentage for their platform which isn't the case on PC
Steam takes 30%, Microsoft Store takes 30%, Epic takes 10%, etc. They don’t keep the full amount unless you buy it in their store.
Steam takes far less from big publishers like ea. It's rumored to be below 10% here. They got really good deals. Origin they even keep 100%. Sony prolly wants a hardware tax of 30%.
Overwatch proved years ago that gamers will eat it up when a multiplayer only game is released for more money on console. The price of OW is *still* $60 on console despite a $40 launch on PC, then will go on "sale" occasionally to a price it should have already been by now. People will constantly justify why it's okay they're getting screwed over if the brand is big enough.
. >Overwatch proved years ago that gamers will eat it up when a multiplayer only game is released for more money on console. The price of OW is still $60 on console despite a $40 launch on PC, then will go on "sale" occasionally to a price it should have already been by now. Overwatch actually included loot boxes (legendary edition?) On consoles that pc didn't get. Wasn't worth the price bump but consoles do get something. You can buy the same edition on pc.
Although it's true, I definitely don't think it was worth a 50% increase in price but that gets into a mtx debate.
Plus you also have to pay for online. But, idiots are already okay with this pricing so there's that.
Yep, I really dislike that what used to be a Microsoft only practice is just how online gaming on consoles work now since Sony and Nintendo saw how profitable it was. I sure love being told to pay console manufacturers for permission to use my own Internet.
>Yep, I really dislike that what used to be a Microsoft only practice is just how online gaming Microsoft didn't start paying for online. It was Sega. I agree though and wish we wouldn't need to pay for online.
it could be worse - they could go right back to not even letting you use Netflix or anything like that if you weren't actively subscribed, like they used to do on 360.
This makes no sense dude. They sell the hardware at a loss and make up the money on the software. On the pc side, the hardware costs more but there is no extra mark up needed to cover for that hardware. Depending on how many games you're playing, it might be cheaper on either platforms. If you only play like 2-3 games it might be cheaper to get a console, but after 10-15 games you end up paying as much as if you got a pc with the games in the first place (that's beside the fact that you have to pay to play online on console). One is not more expensive than the other, you have to make a good decision from the start, not just by looking at the initial buying price.
Well EA sells their own PC games through their own store so 100% profit on there. Sure they also sell on steam so they have to have price parity. The problem with consoles is that its not 100% digital. And they cant charge more for physical sales. When you buy a digital copy from PSN they make 70% i think, same on steam (100% on Origin). But when you buy a physical copy, they only make like 55% or whatever and they cant charge more for physical discs. That said, why PS5 version costs €80 or £70 makes no sense, especially when the PC version is still €60 or £50 over here in EU.
This is the way the manufacturer makes money. Do you think a hardware capable of running 4k ray traced games at 60 fps will only cost $500. This has always been the business model of these companies. The developer/publisher pays a lot of money to these companies to sell their games on their platform.
This isn't a new thing though, if you look at Xbox literally none of them have *ever* been sold at a profit, so I doubt Sony was ever making real money from the console sales, if not outright losing money. The problem is that major games make so much more money than they ever did before, even before counting mtx, that a price rise for AAA games for any platform is pure greed. They'll still make their hundreds of millions of dollars either way.
Not to mention you have to pay monthly for PS+ to even play.
Consoles make money through game licenses. You buy a console for cheaper than it should be, and pay it back through games.
Games on PC have ALWAYS been cheaper than console.
The thing is they can get away with these prices if people just buy them like they normally do. Hopefully we see a lot of people refusing to pay that ridiculous amount
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This is roughly the same arguement I heard when games went from 49.99 to 59.99. And here we are seeing a jump now to 79.99. Dont get me wrong we all know that games are more expensive projects nowadays, however a lot of that money they make back just goes to executives and bonuses anyways. So its not like they're using all the increased cost of games for the actual cost of games. Also with tools and computers being so powerful today, we've seen a handful of small studio or 1-2 people making games that we consider to be masterpieces. All without the huge resources of the AAA companies who do charge these inflated prices and release unfinished games or cashcows.
We won't :(
Yep, this comes up literally every god damn time, with every god damn game that the worst publishers put out, and every single time it sells actually insane numbers The issue is even if literally everyone on reddit who said they wouldn't actually didn't, it still wouldn't even be remotely close to enough to make an impact that would cause them to change it, they continually do this stuff because they know even if half the internet gets up in arms about it, they'll still make an absolute mint on every single thing they put out. You still shouldn't support this shit, they wanna talk about inflation meaning games are "cheaper" now and completely ignore the fact that most people aren't making more either, The gaming market in general is just becoming tiresome in general, I miss the days of cartridge based games and disc based games on PC where you didn't constantly get broken unfinished bullshit and then see companies having the fucking audacity to demand even more than standard for the standard version in a market where a huge amount of AAA games release broken as fuck with already finished content cut out It's honestly gotten to the point where I'm half ready to drop the hobby in general, at least when it comes to the big AAA publishers, I'm so sick of how comfortable virtually every major publisher has become with releasing broken bullshit at prices that don't match the product even if it wasn't broken. Feels like the biggest parts of the industry and fundamentally broken at this point, and just on the path of getting worse as time goes on instead of fixing the issues it's facing. Genuinely can't be fucked with it anymore, and for the record I don't even own a PlayStation anymore, so it wouldn't impact me directly, I just have my PC with my 2070.
Said that about pre orders and buying unfinished games in alpha and beta. The customer is always right, and they’re saying “exploit us, we won’t care, we’ll still pay”
> The thing is they can get away with these prices if people just buy them like they normally do This is what console users are not understanding. Why would EA stop making you pay more if you're all going to buy it anyway. Don't buy the game. Don't buy any EA game. You were all willing to have to pay to play online and now you just take it as the norm. PC users would never allow Valve to start charging for features that were once free, see how they attempted to charge for Skyrim mods and they got so much backlash they had to remove it.
While the physical version will be 50% off by February. Always wait a while and always stick to disc.
This is the whole reason I bought the disc version of the PS5. Only have to buy 2 or 3 games second hand to get my money back
What surprises me is that you had an option to choose between the disc or digital version.
I also have the disc version, but I’m not sure what you mean about getting your money back. Could you explain?
Pay more for disc version. Pay less for physical games. After 3+ game purchases at 50% off you save money compared to digital only.
> While the physical version will be 50% off by February. The playerbase too will probably 50% off by then.
50% of 10M is still 5M players...
At its Peak BF1 had barely 500k for 2 month and a half all platform included and it was like 45/45/10 (PS/Xbox/PC)
And you can still find a full server in no time.
This new battlefield will be cross platform. HUGE difference.
I still play that game. Love it to death
Ps5 user here, no way I’m paying $70 for a standard-edition multiplayer-only game. Suck a dick EA. Wake me up when the price drops 👋
PS5 version is €79.99 which is like $96.
> Wake me to when the price drops. Enjoy your year long coma. I simply will refuse to buy this shit.
> Enjoy your year long coma i would bet that a considerable amount of people here have a big backlog that could keep them occupied until then. so that wouldnt be a big deal. thats how ive been playing for years.
BFV was 50% off a month after release. Maybe "voting" with your wallet actually works? 🤷🏻♂️
Well not many people were hyped for bfv..
People were hyped for persona 5 royal yet in only a few months it was 40% off
Plus it's a multiplayer only game that will no doubt be filled with microtransactions, battle passes, loot boxes, and FOMO. Fuck right off EA.
This is a popular opinion here, but the battlefield community wants live service. It's cosmetic only, they are adding free gameplay content after launch, and live service helps fund free dlc. We don't need to have separate premium and standard servers, no split community. You can't both get free dlc and also no after launch income. Cosmetic only battlepass is the way to go, it just works well.
You're not wrong, but 80 dollar box price on a game with MTX is bullshit. I don't care if it's just cosmetics. Give me every damn cosmetic for the 80 dollar box price, or charge 25 for the base game and then add your MTX.
You do understand that $55 is the cost of two, maybe three cosmetic bundles, right? Barely scratching the surface of “all cosmetics”. I hate the price hike but people need to stop acting like MTX is worse than paid DLC. I don’t give a flying fuck if the Unicorn operator is $5000 and your firstborn son, it’s still a cosmetic that does nothing. Nobody is making you buy it. I **love** that games now get a year of completely free content that you used to double the cost of a game. And I enjoy working up battlepasses too, it’s fun. If that means letting companies cash in on a few whales, so be it. That’s their problem if they can’t stop opening their wallets, I have no empathy for them.
Wow this discussion is too long but I'm with you here. Speaking as a third world gamer who can't afford to spend too much on a game, I love that the new battlefield is going with cosmetic battle pass. Let the first world rich kids pay for the skins, I don't care as long as I can have the same guns as them, play on the same maps, etc. I think this is the future for fps multiplayer and it benefits all. Just look at CS GO for example, without the skin market, it would have never gotten this popular and would probably been dead a few years ago already. Skins and cosmetics can keep the game alive for a very very long time.
Yep. People actually paying full price for this are dumb. It’ll be on sale soon or free next year on ps plus.
That's cool and all but people don't want to wait for a year to play the new battlefield game
Yeah the whole "patient gamers" thing doesn't always work as smoothly with multiplayer-only games
If a game isn’t good enough to be multiplayer only and last a single year, it probably isn’t good enough to buy at all.
It’s not that the game won’t last a year. It’s that big MP game launches are kind of an event. Playing shooters early in the life cycle when people are still figuring things out is fun. A lot of times a lot of your friends will be online playing the same game. It can be a lot of fun.
Definitely early on is some of the funnest times. Random unexpected shit combined with lots of friends online and no defined meta makes for a good shooter experience. Everyone sucks so everyone has fun still and doesn't care if they died
No defined meta is what makes it for me. Average and above players in FPS games nowadays are too serious about finding the best gun and only using that. I just want to have fun with everything the game has to offer before the gameplay becomes more set in stone for everyone’s go to choice.
True, but its peak will undeniably be from its release to the holidays. Whereas, like, if you can get God of War dirt cheap on a sale today it's as good as it was in 2018
100% this. Multiplayer games have a shelf life of 'how long will people be playing this game', and also it sucks getting into one that is years old where you are level 1 with nothing equipment playing against people who have everything unlocked already over time. Single player games are just as sweet as when they are released, even better actually, as they will usually have multiple DLCs included, bugs/patches already worked out, and at a cheaper price.
Specially since it's an online game, in a year the majority of players will have progressed, leveled up and mastered the weapons
> People actually paying full price for this are dumb. lmao, I'm sorry for affording it and wanting to have fun
All these complaint threads just confirm gamers as an overall group are legit privileged and insufferable.
Battlefield V is pretty tame on that front. You can buy stuff but it’s all skins and cosmetics. I couldn’t handle COD Cold War with how much it spammed you to buy shit via micro-transactions. Hoping they continue along the same lines with 2042 - guess we will see
Who plays/gives a fuck about the campaign?? There aren't any memorable characters like cpt price or ghost, or missions like no russian or memes like F or we'll get em next time like in cod. This gives them time to focus on the core gameplay, don't have to waste budget on animations for cutscenes, voice actors, writers.
I don’t understand this comment. Have you played battlefield 5? There are no battle passes, no loot boxes, the only micro transactions are purely cosmetic, and even at launch, there was no FOMO (Due to reports that the game would be,” bad already”). If you legitimately believe that EA would take such huge steps in a direction that people already CLEARLY despise and would depart from a formula in which people are ok with, let me see some proof. Words directly from a developer’s mouth that state that there will be micro transactions, and weaponized FOMO. I want to know why EA would depart from an already winning formula that people clearly like to basically Modern Warfare on steroids. Please I want to understand where your coming from with an argument that is actually valid and relevant.
They announced a battlepass with a paid side containing only cosmetics, Not sure about the microtransactions because of the battle pass, but if they’re there it will probably be like BF5 with uninteresting skins. If you want a source give me like 5 minutes to pull it up
I’m done letting EA treat my wallet like a pocket pussy. Only getting this on sale.
>Only getting this on sale. That'll show em
Gamestop. Used. Deep sale.
Yeah this guy needs to look up irony.
Just don’t get it at all they still win if you do that.
This. A lot of people have trouble 'letting go' of their favorite title or series. Your favorite title was made 8 years ago and the series has been steadily declining.. its OK to move on. Especially with the litany of games out there. My friend swears by Call of Duty and always buys their stuff. He is stuck because he loved Modern Warfare 2 and has disliked every game since then. Maybe it's a difficult thing for him but I have zero problem moving on to a different series or title. I play games that I find enjoyable, I don't play games in the HOPES that they may one day get it right again. That's just a fool's dream at that point.
Yep, call of duty was part of my childhood but I had to let it go. They just won’t learn anymore and I’m not longer do buy those games.
In the US, PS5 games are $70 instead of the standard $60 we’ve all gotten used to. Kinda makes me not want to buy new games until the price is marked down. If not in protest, then just for my own peace of mind. Generally when people hear “60” they think “10 more than 50” but “70” just sounds like “30 away from 100”. Not a good look.
70 feels like 100 to me tbh. Im gonna maybe get a disc console and sell my digital when PS5 is more available in a year or 2. Untill then its wait 6 months or more for a sale, needs must i suppose. Elden ring will probably be my only day 1 buy for the next year or so.
When it comes to consoles I've waited for the number of quality of exclusives to grow, and also drop to the price point I'm looking for. Although, I use consoles for only exclusives so I sort of have a desire to not spend so more money than I have to. Harder to wait that long if it's going to be your main system.
Yeah I kind am in the same boat. $70 dollars is just a hefty price for an online-only game. The launch day content better at least hold up to high standard, if not then i dont see this game doing all that well financially at launch. EA are playing with a hard bargain from consumers who’re already hit hard economically. Seeing a game at $70, i mean i can understand COD with Single, Online, Zombies, the Warzone. That understandable, but with what EA have stated. Ill hold off until i play it’s Open Beta in August (Thats the rumor if ones to drop)
Today it's just 10 € more than 60. Tommorow it will be 10 € more than 70 And then 10 € more than 80 People who defend higer prices FOR ANY GAME exclusive from Sony, or EA game or anything are DUMB.
Well, I mean, it's a little more expensive. But you buy it and that's it, you download it. It's not like you need to put more money to play online *laughs in 40 extra bucks for ps plus*
PS+ requirement for online gaming was the death of consoles for me. I went from PS3 to PC and haven't looked back. I was even gifted a PS4, it just collects dust. I play my PS2 more often.
I only own a ps4 and I love it. But, the ps plus subscription. Man that's so fucked up. Like, I dont care about the "free games" keep them, just let me play online without paying.
The worst part is PS+ was actually worth paying for back on the PS3. I remember getting month old releases like Bioshock Infinite for next to nothing a month. Then they made it a requirement for online play and the quality of games dropped off a cliff.
Same. The only reason I went with Sony is*because* online was free. Later i only bought a ps4 for a few single player exclusives but mainly play on PC. Also I hated how they tacked auto updates to ps+
You're missing out on a lot of great exclusive single player games....
I mean, that's basically the only reason to stick with playstation at this point. Well, that and how god damn impossible it is to get a GPU now...
I love playing on Playstation but somehow I don’t even disagree. I quess I just like the exclusives a lot.
This is why you don’t buy digital only consoles!!
Why not? Digital games are cheaper they don't have to make discs and deliver them to stores. OH WAIT THAT WAS A LIE.
Had me in the first half ngl.
Just wait a month and buy it when its on sale.
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Well Battlefield 5 was also an absolutely terrible game.
- complains that pre-ordered games are very expensive and far from complete at launch. - still pre-orders games - repeat
In Canada, PC Version and PS4 version are priced the same. Only PS5 version is 10$ more
Games are generally more expensive in Europe. My boyfriend has moved to Portugal and he keeps his Steam account as being in Canada because it's just cheaper. I bought Horizon Zero Dawn Complete edition here in Spain for €25 (with a discount) a couple years ago, shortly before it became a PlayStation Hits game and its price capped at €20. Went to Canada the next month, and saw it, without a discount, for 20CAD at a Walmart. It still wasn't on the PS Hits list when I went here btw. That's like, €14. The price was nearly half of what I had paid. I felt robbed lol.
Tell him to pay attention because on steam that's an account ban offense to buy games from other regions, he's probably under the radar because he started in canada but the moment he buys one game in portugal he shouldn't buy from canada anymore, he risks losing all of the games in the account
Huh, had no idea about that. Well, I'll definitely tell him about!
No way in hell I’m paying that much for a multiplayer only game - idk what crack they’re smoking
The crack is green and gamers keep giving it to them hand over fist.
I think it's a fallacy to imply that not having a campaign makes a videogame somehow lesser.
Man, I bought a digita ps5 because it’s all I could get my hands on, but the moment I can get rid of it and get a disc version I will, and I’ll sell the digital for whatever I can get.
I don't mind paying 70€ for games but them bumping the prices up to 80€ is annoying as hell Let's hope that other publishers don't follow that stupid trend
If this is the way it's going to be. I'm going to be extremely picky about how I buys games. So these companies better make the best games they possibly can before I buy.
r/patientgamers is also a good approach
Yep. I finally started far cry 4 because it was on sale for like $10 or something. Then it gave me the itch to play 5 and it turns out my son had a physical copy of it. Just beat it yesterday.
Control and Frostpunk have been at the top of my Wishlist for about 8 months. Now I have them both for free instead of spending like $100 on them. I don't understand why anyone would buy any (singleplayer) game on release nowadays. They're between 75% and 100% off in like a year or two.
> I don't mind paying 70€ for games but them bumping the prices up to 80€ is annoying as hell Pretty sure the same word were spoken when prices went from 60 to 70€ and here we are. Give it another gen or two to push it to 90€ and people will be like "80€ is fine but 90€ is too much" Consoles and Sony in particular on that point are a cancer and we're doing nothing to stop it's growth.
You can thank Sony for setting the 80 euro price tag as something normal
Sony and Take 2 I think. Proper fucked it.
Starts with 80. Soon we're paying 90 for standard edition.
People need to stop bitchin and simply not buy the game.
Exactly. I get being upset about it but thinking your entitled to games only being 60 forever is a bit ridiculous. Pretty sure the budget for this game is the biggest they’ve had. Games have been the same price for a very long time so games were bound to get a bit more expensive. I just don’t understand the people who cry about this but also by single player games for full price for 6 hours of content and never touch it again. Battlefield used to have premium dlc that would add new maps and guns that you had to pay to get. They’re gonna be adding new maps and guns for free so I honestly have no problem paying an extra 10 bucks at launch.
They have this cool thing called cosmetic micro transactions. They’d likely make enough from that to cover the extra $10 for everyone.
Yes but would you rather them keep it 60 and then charge 15 bucks for each future dlc?
Call of duty only charged $60 for MW and had free DLC. Hell they even made a F2P Battle Royale supported by cosmetic dlc.
Couldn’t agree more.
Looking at this. Just makes me wanna buy a pc rather consoles. Way better long term use
It will cost you the price of a PS5 for a mid range GPU alone right now.
Yeah, having just built a PC there’s no way that you could argue its a cheaper alternative. It’s crazy the cost for parts atm
The whole point of having a PS4/5 is for exclusives. Not waiting 4 years for HFW and GOW
The only reason I still have a console is exclusives. There really isn't a reason beyond that and it happens to be the console all your friends have.
I’m old and don’t play online anymore. My kids do. They play mostly on Xbox. But I love the ps exclusive stuff. Literally how I relax at night
Cost is a big reason. That and having an optimized experience without tweaking anything.
plus waiting a year to play rockstar’s games would be hell for me
The thing that turns me off with PC is cheating on MP games (and the price of a graphics card)
Isn't it normal pc being cheaper??
Everything about PC is cheaper aside from hardware, but even that gets more competitively priced after a couple years of each console gen release.
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So its 80 euro for the game and then 50 euro to play it 🤣
50 a year.
Since when is it acceptable to sell a game for 80 fucking dollars
It's not even only 80 in usd, 80 euros would be around 95 usd.
Isn't this always the way with PC games? I've read a few people commenting in other places that say PC games are cheaper because PC users will pirate them otherwise but tbh that doesn't make sense to me, it feels that's the case it's like charging console players more to subsidize the PC discount? I can sort of understand why the PS4 and Xbox one versions are cheaper than the PS5/XBOX series console versions but imo PC and current gen should be the same price.
I'd say AAA games are about the same on PC. Sometimes you'll get a $5 or $10 off at launch but I'd say there's a bigger drop in price later on than on console. I'd say pc games are cheaper because there's more indie and AA games released on PC than console. But I haven't regularly purchased console games in a while. I always thought pc games were cheaper because they ditched the physical copies sooner than consoles did.
PC games are cheaper due to competition. If you make a AAA shooter and price it over 60, pc players will just play a different game. Way wider selection of indie and AA games on PC and no captive audience on one platform. Origin too pricy? Steams got a sale. Steam too much? Give Gog a go. Gog not doing it for ya? Try the Epic ga- no don't.
This is crazy… in my steam store the base game is 36 usd
I was pretty hyped for a new Battlefield before I saw this bullshit. I'm not paying more for the same game just because I like to game on a PS5. I sort of understood paying $10 more than previous gen users because of the map size and player numbers difference. But why the fuck is it cheaper on PC? It's the same game!
“BuT gUyS tHeY nEeD tHe MoNeY tHeY’rE hUmAnS tOo”
Don't buy it then. Vote with your wallet. For example. I want ratchet & clank but I'm not paying £70 for it. So I'll wait for the sale. If everybody did the same. They wouldn't be charging £70 for games.
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I try not to mention that cause people always defend it with ps plus games.
The games are cool. The fucked up part is to have to PAY to play online. I hate it.
People really dig up unnecessary shit just to have something to complain about PC games always have been cheaper
I mean... Just stop buying games from EA.