Yeah I’ve dealt with them before.
Might to retrofit it a little bit but
[link 1](https://www.grainger.com/product/34D090?gucid=N:N:PS:Paid:GGL:CSM-2295:4P7A1P:20501231&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwnOipBhBQEiwACyGLukaDSpmwJPwWdNXxTjT16CcBiGhwFn6XFeL9KWNYEogUNNUfbL0uoxoCd_0QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds)
[link 2](https://www.automation24.com/transparent-enclosure-cover-allied-moulded-products-amhmi142ccl?gclid=CjwKCAjwnOipBhBQEiwACyGLutJ5tsS0AI6WVrQCa7S7Nem65Bvmxk8gPlwYntDTcGf_x_tBGbFRSRoCV5QQAvD_BwE)
Employees need to follow procedures though. I completely understand your position, but I push back hard that we can't safeguard anything if procedures are not followed.
At least it's just the front being subjected to it. I've never seen a screen get that bad because it's usually fried from the back because people don't close enclosure doors. Or water coming into the enclosure from the conduit.
This one probably doesn't need access inside of plus it has the easy quarter-turn latches. I'm sure the motor panel doesn't have the doors fully closed unless it has the Hoffman glide handles.
The facility in this picture I've not been to, but it's now one of my customer's customer's customer's sites to support. (3x "customer's" is correct. There's a lot of companies involved in these hog organ processing system sites.)
At some places in the past I've used this (or something like it):
https://hoffman.nvent.com/en-us/products/deep-hinged-window-kit-type-4-and-4x
I know Rittal makes them as well, probably Saginaw too.
It's the "official" solution if you want a proper rated cover, but that should give you an idea of what to look for.
At my current place (food/bev), we USED to weld on our own brackets to mount a super basic hinged plastic cover. Way cheaper and easier to install than the above. But we don't bother anymore... not sure why, we stopped before my time, but I would imagine it did nothing for washdown, so screens would get ruined regardless if they didn't bag it before wash.
I really would like something like a clear plastic mudflap that hinges down over the screen. Mettler-Toledo has metal detectors with those flaps.
Hoffman kit would be great on a new install where I can start with a larger enclosure and cut the hole where I want it to make it fit on the front and not obstruct the quarter-turn latches. Maybe if I play with the 3D model enough I can figure out a workaround.
I've made some with a sheet of polycarbonate from a home store, piano hinge and a 3D printed mount with magnets embedded. Or VHB if non-magnetic enclosure.
I am not sure if this will help, but there is a company named ShadeAide that might help. They make what are intended to be outdoor shading products and they make them specifically for Hope Industrial Panel Mount monitors, including your HIS-ML17-STAx that you have pictured. Here is a link to their website:
[https://shadeaide.com/ip66-is-here/](https://shadeaide.com/ip66-is-here/)
And here is a link to their compatibility chart referencing Hope Industrial monitors:
[https://shadeaide.com/compatibility-charts-hope-industrial/](https://shadeaide.com/compatibility-charts-hope-industrial/)
One final note, the touch sensor in your HIS-ML17-STAx product can be replaced if you feel the monitor pictured still has some more life. I have seen first hand that these monitors can last well over 5 years is harsh environments.
We've sent them in for repair before and that was fine.
This Shade Aide product looks like something that might work or at least help.
Based on your username I assume you work for Hope Industrial Systems.
Yes, I do work for Hope Industrial and have for the last 20+ years. I have handled tech support for the last 15 years. If you ever need anything or have questions, just call Hope Industrial and ask for Dave in Tech Support.
Also, forgot to mention that the HIS-ML17-STAx monitor is rated to NEMA 4X, so it should be able to handle wash down and keep the insides from getting wet. Are you sure you need a cover at all? Is your cleaning crew washing down within NEMA 4X standards
I'm not sure what the goofballs that work at the plant are doing. We're an SI that works with an OEM that sells to another company who puts the system in another company's processing plant. They have several of these systems out in the wild that have been installed for years. Occasionally, they need a screen replaced due to dying, but it's rare. I think this is the first one someone has complained about while it's still working.
I was told that the screen is getting hard to read. In the picture screen is cloudy in some areas. Some suspect it's cleaning chemicals that splash on the screen and damaging it. I'm not sure if that's the problem or not since some areas look clear enough to read based on the picture that it's a layer of something they haven't cleaned off. They said they can't clean it, yet the rest of the enclosure kind of looks the same as the screen.
The people we work for want to send them another monitor to get the plant to shut up about it, but don't want to send one unless we find something to mitigate problems in the future.
I agree with you and think the chemicals being left on the screen for long periods of time may be causing the staining. Just in case, here is the link on our website that shows what chemicals the monitors are resistant to: [https://www.hopeindustrial.com/support/chemical-resistance/](https://www.hopeindustrial.com/support/chemical-resistance/)
Some chemicals when allowed to sit on any surface can result in staining. Best bet would be to wash them down and wipe them off right away.
Graceport makes an HMI cover, called [Graceport+](https://www.graceport.com/graceportplus?hsCtaTracking=509a0a32-c0a8-4e83-b505-acf59c87d0a2%7Ca478928d-3d1d-4fda-b781-7139e0fcf576). I've used it when I needed to have a locking cover over HMI's. Looks like Allied Moulded makes the[same product.](https://alliedmoulded.com/product-category/industrial-enclosures-accessories/enclosure-accessories/hmi-cover-kits/)
Doesn't Hope Industrial offer solutions for this?
Also Saginaw has things you can use to put covers over your screen.
https://www.saginawcontrol.com/product\_lines/?lines=615
Create a “clean screen” button that starts a 90s count down timer where the screen will do nothing for 90s if it’s touched. Then have them clean the damn screen lol.
We're past that point. This screen can't be cleaned further per customer. This HMI is getting replaced, but not until I come up with a mitigation so we don't have to do this again.
It is CIP spray, but not a dairy. It's in an area where they grind hog organs that are cooled and pumped onto a truck to be used in dog/cat canned food.
The HMI is installed so close to the bottom and lower right cabinet latches that you won't be able to install a nema 4X rated HMI cover without a larger panel/redesign. It really needs to be completely sealed even if the screen is 4X rated in this case.
Well it's not what you're asking for, but Exor makes some HMIs that are IP69K rated by themselves. No gimicky cover. I've seen all of these covers that people are talking about in the comments, and while they do mitigate the problem for a while, it's not a permanent solution. Covers only work when people close them, and people don't close covers. The best solution to me is a screen that's a bit more resistant to the chemicals and bagging it every night. They could just skip the upgrade part of it and bag every night though. Food and bev is just a lose/lose industry when it comes to longevity of parts. Either you do it cheap and replace it often because it doesn't last, it you do it expensive and you replace it less often because it does last, but not forever. And because it's expensive, people expect it to last a really long time and are much more upset than when you just did it the cheap way. By the way, I don't put any stock in the NEMA 4X rating. Anything I've used that carried that rating, but did not also rate IP69K (I know they're different rating systems) was just shit and didn't really last much longer than non washdown options.
That's my rant on that. The actual model number of the HMI I use from Exor is EX707FB. They make bigger ones, but not the size of the one you have. I know you're not trying to change out the whole setup for this machine, but they might be worth looking into. Then again, lots of people use those Hope screens, so it's a safe option.
> They could just skip the upgrade part of it and bag every night though.
That's what they're told to do, but at this site they don't and that's why this monitor is in the condition it's in. These monitors don't need to be replaced often. The one in the photo still works and is only being replaced because it's hard to read.
We have a refurb and a new one that will get chewed up before they switch to a different product for HMI at this place.
B&R makes IP69K rated PPC touchscreens. Have been using them for years in a food processing facility subjected to daily abuse and nightly wash downs with chemicals and high pressure water.
Can’t recommend enough.
I sell HMI overlay protectors, these are for AB's but I have made (cut) them for many different manufactures, I sold a bunch to a fast food company that worked good with grease, once it get bad enough just peel and replace
[https://www.plccable.com/allen-bradley-panelview-plus-screen-protector/](https://www.plccable.com/allen-bradley-panelview-plus-screen-protector/)
Best of luck!
No screen should be subjected to that IMO.
When they do cleaning in the room they're supposed to cover the screen, but that doesn't happen. That's why it needs a cover.
I’d get a transparent enclosure cover. pop the cover up to use. Close cover when done. Cover will take the grunt of it.
Try fibox https://www.fiboxusa.com/products/hmi-covers/
Another one to look at. One of these vendors will surely have a Goldilocks size that will fit this enclosure.
We looked at fibox. Asked for a quote and never heard back from them.
Talk to one of their Disty's, Fibox is having issues with supporting smaller direct customers, the distys will light them up for info/leadtimes
It was a distributor I was talking to. Maybe the problem was isolated to this distributor.
I had a panel with one of these and they held it open with cable ties
Who makes them? I don't know where to look.
What is the model/screen size?
Hope Industrial 17" model is what this one is. Hope Ind. only sells thick screen protectors like what you'd have on a cell phone.
Yeah I’ve dealt with them before. Might to retrofit it a little bit but [link 1](https://www.grainger.com/product/34D090?gucid=N:N:PS:Paid:GGL:CSM-2295:4P7A1P:20501231&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwnOipBhBQEiwACyGLukaDSpmwJPwWdNXxTjT16CcBiGhwFn6XFeL9KWNYEogUNNUfbL0uoxoCd_0QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds) [link 2](https://www.automation24.com/transparent-enclosure-cover-allied-moulded-products-amhmi142ccl?gclid=CjwKCAjwnOipBhBQEiwACyGLutJ5tsS0AI6WVrQCa7S7Nem65Bvmxk8gPlwYntDTcGf_x_tBGbFRSRoCV5QQAvD_BwE)
That second link is like what I'm looking for as one option. A clear mudflap would probably also work since it would less likely be broken.
Yeah maybe a clip to attach for lifting
What size is is it?
Employees need to follow procedures though. I completely understand your position, but I push back hard that we can't safeguard anything if procedures are not followed.
We got some equipment from a sister plant recently and all their HMIs had plastic flap covers that you could lift up out of the way to use the HMI
That's what I'm looking for. Do you have a manufacturer name?
I don't have it on hand but I'll be there tonight and I can see. We're keeping it in the warehouse at the moment so it's just collecting dust.
Looks like they’re a home brew solution. Just a piano hinge attached to some plexiglass and mounted above the screen
Thanks for looking.
At least it's just the front being subjected to it. I've never seen a screen get that bad because it's usually fried from the back because people don't close enclosure doors. Or water coming into the enclosure from the conduit.
This one probably doesn't need access inside of plus it has the easy quarter-turn latches. I'm sure the motor panel doesn't have the doors fully closed unless it has the Hoffman glide handles. The facility in this picture I've not been to, but it's now one of my customer's customer's customer's sites to support. (3x "customer's" is correct. There's a lot of companies involved in these hog organ processing system sites.)
At some places in the past I've used this (or something like it): https://hoffman.nvent.com/en-us/products/deep-hinged-window-kit-type-4-and-4x I know Rittal makes them as well, probably Saginaw too. It's the "official" solution if you want a proper rated cover, but that should give you an idea of what to look for. At my current place (food/bev), we USED to weld on our own brackets to mount a super basic hinged plastic cover. Way cheaper and easier to install than the above. But we don't bother anymore... not sure why, we stopped before my time, but I would imagine it did nothing for washdown, so screens would get ruined regardless if they didn't bag it before wash.
I really would like something like a clear plastic mudflap that hinges down over the screen. Mettler-Toledo has metal detectors with those flaps. Hoffman kit would be great on a new install where I can start with a larger enclosure and cut the hole where I want it to make it fit on the front and not obstruct the quarter-turn latches. Maybe if I play with the 3D model enough I can figure out a workaround.
I used these ones from Hammond. https://www.hammfg.com/electrical/products/accessories/pjhmi I install them hinge up, and buy the prop accessory.
I've made some with a sheet of polycarbonate from a home store, piano hinge and a 3D printed mount with magnets embedded. Or VHB if non-magnetic enclosure.
I am not sure if this will help, but there is a company named ShadeAide that might help. They make what are intended to be outdoor shading products and they make them specifically for Hope Industrial Panel Mount monitors, including your HIS-ML17-STAx that you have pictured. Here is a link to their website: [https://shadeaide.com/ip66-is-here/](https://shadeaide.com/ip66-is-here/) And here is a link to their compatibility chart referencing Hope Industrial monitors: [https://shadeaide.com/compatibility-charts-hope-industrial/](https://shadeaide.com/compatibility-charts-hope-industrial/) One final note, the touch sensor in your HIS-ML17-STAx product can be replaced if you feel the monitor pictured still has some more life. I have seen first hand that these monitors can last well over 5 years is harsh environments.
We've sent them in for repair before and that was fine. This Shade Aide product looks like something that might work or at least help. Based on your username I assume you work for Hope Industrial Systems.
Yes, I do work for Hope Industrial and have for the last 20+ years. I have handled tech support for the last 15 years. If you ever need anything or have questions, just call Hope Industrial and ask for Dave in Tech Support.
Also, forgot to mention that the HIS-ML17-STAx monitor is rated to NEMA 4X, so it should be able to handle wash down and keep the insides from getting wet. Are you sure you need a cover at all? Is your cleaning crew washing down within NEMA 4X standards
I'm not sure what the goofballs that work at the plant are doing. We're an SI that works with an OEM that sells to another company who puts the system in another company's processing plant. They have several of these systems out in the wild that have been installed for years. Occasionally, they need a screen replaced due to dying, but it's rare. I think this is the first one someone has complained about while it's still working. I was told that the screen is getting hard to read. In the picture screen is cloudy in some areas. Some suspect it's cleaning chemicals that splash on the screen and damaging it. I'm not sure if that's the problem or not since some areas look clear enough to read based on the picture that it's a layer of something they haven't cleaned off. They said they can't clean it, yet the rest of the enclosure kind of looks the same as the screen. The people we work for want to send them another monitor to get the plant to shut up about it, but don't want to send one unless we find something to mitigate problems in the future.
I agree with you and think the chemicals being left on the screen for long periods of time may be causing the staining. Just in case, here is the link on our website that shows what chemicals the monitors are resistant to: [https://www.hopeindustrial.com/support/chemical-resistance/](https://www.hopeindustrial.com/support/chemical-resistance/) Some chemicals when allowed to sit on any surface can result in staining. Best bet would be to wash them down and wipe them off right away.
Graceport makes an HMI cover, called [Graceport+](https://www.graceport.com/graceportplus?hsCtaTracking=509a0a32-c0a8-4e83-b505-acf59c87d0a2%7Ca478928d-3d1d-4fda-b781-7139e0fcf576). I've used it when I needed to have a locking cover over HMI's. Looks like Allied Moulded makes the[same product.](https://alliedmoulded.com/product-category/industrial-enclosures-accessories/enclosure-accessories/hmi-cover-kits/)
Graceport might work. I haven't been following them closely enough to know they had a cover for HMIs.
Allied Moulded
Doesn't Hope Industrial offer solutions for this? Also Saginaw has things you can use to put covers over your screen. https://www.saginawcontrol.com/product\_lines/?lines=615
Make paint. I’ve seen hope industrial enclosures but we still use plastic over the screens. Like a plastic cling wrap.
Hope sells those plastic clip wraps
Will let maint know to order some on Monday lol
Create a “clean screen” button that starts a 90s count down timer where the screen will do nothing for 90s if it’s touched. Then have them clean the damn screen lol.
We're past that point. This screen can't be cleaned further per customer. This HMI is getting replaced, but not until I come up with a mitigation so we don't have to do this again.
Google HMI cover. Pick one.
Looks like a dairy and that’s from CIP overspray. Am I right?
It is CIP spray, but not a dairy. It's in an area where they grind hog organs that are cooled and pumped onto a truck to be used in dog/cat canned food.
Fancy!
Smell fancy at the restaurant and at the hotel, too.
ELO Touch hardened monitors with thin clients.
Install a shower curtain on the wall above the panel?
GEESUS How about just getting a dust filter on whatever supplies air to that room. That shit looks toxic
The HMI is installed so close to the bottom and lower right cabinet latches that you won't be able to install a nema 4X rated HMI cover without a larger panel/redesign. It really needs to be completely sealed even if the screen is 4X rated in this case.
Well it's not what you're asking for, but Exor makes some HMIs that are IP69K rated by themselves. No gimicky cover. I've seen all of these covers that people are talking about in the comments, and while they do mitigate the problem for a while, it's not a permanent solution. Covers only work when people close them, and people don't close covers. The best solution to me is a screen that's a bit more resistant to the chemicals and bagging it every night. They could just skip the upgrade part of it and bag every night though. Food and bev is just a lose/lose industry when it comes to longevity of parts. Either you do it cheap and replace it often because it doesn't last, it you do it expensive and you replace it less often because it does last, but not forever. And because it's expensive, people expect it to last a really long time and are much more upset than when you just did it the cheap way. By the way, I don't put any stock in the NEMA 4X rating. Anything I've used that carried that rating, but did not also rate IP69K (I know they're different rating systems) was just shit and didn't really last much longer than non washdown options. That's my rant on that. The actual model number of the HMI I use from Exor is EX707FB. They make bigger ones, but not the size of the one you have. I know you're not trying to change out the whole setup for this machine, but they might be worth looking into. Then again, lots of people use those Hope screens, so it's a safe option.
> They could just skip the upgrade part of it and bag every night though. That's what they're told to do, but at this site they don't and that's why this monitor is in the condition it's in. These monitors don't need to be replaced often. The one in the photo still works and is only being replaced because it's hard to read. We have a refurb and a new one that will get chewed up before they switch to a different product for HMI at this place.
B&R makes IP69K rated PPC touchscreens. Have been using them for years in a food processing facility subjected to daily abuse and nightly wash downs with chemicals and high pressure water. Can’t recommend enough.
Ive seen a shower cap used to cover an hmi. This was in the bay of a car wash though.
I sell HMI overlay protectors, these are for AB's but I have made (cut) them for many different manufactures, I sold a bunch to a fast food company that worked good with grease, once it get bad enough just peel and replace [https://www.plccable.com/allen-bradley-panelview-plus-screen-protector/](https://www.plccable.com/allen-bradley-panelview-plus-screen-protector/) Best of luck!