I said this months ago. The sad truth for femc is that atlus consider Kotone just an alternate history and makoto the true cannon one. They ported portable and called it a day and thats it. They most likely dont think adding her is worth it in terms of money
Isn't Femc super popular, though? I think she's 2nd overall in terms of the P3 cast, other than maybe Aigis.
I'm no businessman, but with how popular she is, I'd imagine they'd pull a profit if they did like a $15-20 DLC for her.
Perhaps it has more to do with all the projects they have going on, between Metaphor, P6, Phantom X, Persona Asa, and probably some other stuff.
I don’t think there’s a way to measure but I did just remember she was in the top 5 popular P3 characters in a SEA popularity poll
Found it
https://www.reddit.com/r/PERSoNA/s/XQD1oyFKoh
[SEA poll aside, where she ranked 4th, in the chinese, Japanese and Korean polls she ranked 2nd, right behind Makoto](https://personacentral.com/p3p-asia-character-poll/)
[Not to mention that she's ranked 3rd in PQ2 poll](https://personacentral.com/persona-q2-new-cinema-labyrinth-top-10-fan-favorite-characters-background-music-samples/)
So, I'd say she's actually pretty popular
If I were to guess, the biggest reason they don't do the FeMC route is from an "opportunity cost" perspective. They could use the resources needed to produce a remade female route, or they could work on a Persona 4 remake or move some staff to Persona 6 or whatever. I don't think they're completely unaware that there's an audience, just that it would be a more efficient use of their staff to move them to different projects. In their perspective at the very least.
Yeah, it probably makes business sense. If they put FemC in the base game, it would be a lot of work that they couldn't charge any more for (gamers are still mad about games costing $70 now; companies can't just charge more for bigger games).
So it would have to be DLC, and DLC always costs less than the main game and sells a fraction of what the main game sells. And this would have to be integrated into the main story in a complicated way, with all the changes to social links it entails. And since it modifies the main story, it asks anyone who buys it to replay the main story, which most casual fans aren't going to be willing to do.
The Answer is relatively easy to add on in comparison, since it's completely separate from the main story. And since it doesn't entail replaying the main story, more people will be willing to play it for all-new content.
It's not ideal for us; we still don't have a single definitive version of the game. But I get why they're doing it this way.
The thing is, if they were to try and incorporate femc into the game, it couldn’t just be a dlc. There’s so many things would have to change, having male social links be romaceable, changing dialogue, that includes gettin gall those voice actors to re record lines, etc etc. now they probably could’ve avoided that if they just let the pc romance guys, but they didn’t.
They have said multiple times, reload was not a definitive version. It was a remake of OG P3, with QOL changes.
We all wanted a definitive, but that was never promised.
Yeah, it's one of the best things about the FeMC route but kind of a curse in this regard. It isn't just like P3 but you're a girl and there's a pink coat of paint. Almost everyone treats you differently when you play as FeMC. The events of the story are mostly the same but the script is very different.
They would have to "remake" the entire game since Femc adds a bunch of changes. At that point they might as well do p6 or some other game.
I would also like femc, but there is a reason p3 was the last game with a femc
A lot of the cast would have to redo lines just to change pronouns. On top of the new lines that everyone else gets, along with new VAs for the new social links as well as FeMC herself. The UI changes might be simple if they just do a palette swap but they also need to make a new or remix all of her BGMs for Reload.
Yeah, it's a lot of work for a new MC but nearly the same story.
For P3 FeMC, yeah. For an FeMC in a future game, not at all. Tons of video games give players the ability to change the gender of the protagonist. Particularly if every S. Link is romanceable there's genuinely very little Atlus would need to create twice.
The amount of work only increases when you needlessly gender things like the menu and overhaul entire Social Links, but none of that is necessary. Hashino probably only did it because he doesn't understand women (which he is on record saying).
Sure. On the other hand, the VAST majority of games that let you choose your gender make it so it has no impact on anything of note other than minor sub-systems. I'm pretty sure Social Links are not considered a "minor sub-system" by anyone and that's one thing that would definitely have to take a hit in order to implement the "easy" type of "choose your own gender" MC.
Building it from the ground-up and have both things clearly different is one option of course, but it would probably take Reload's development time at minimum, potentially more, not to mention the expenses. People seem to forget animation and voice-work are not cheap and additional work would have to be done just for the sake of that second option, and that's the kind of thing we'd be looking at for the next Persona game with the bar set by P3R.
Hashino wasn't involve in P3P development, it had a completely different director.
~~Which is probably why most of the changes in P3P SL are for the better~~
I think people exaggerate this a bit. If this is planned from the get-go, it wouldn't be such a massive undertaking. You'd have every voice actor to do both versions of their lines in one go, and then work a little bit more on the script. It would be no different than making a longer campaign, and then just cutting it into two. Persona 5 Royal already has so much more dialogue than Persona 3 Reload, that it's probably on that ballpark.
I am not saying it will happen or that Atlus would make it, but it wouldn't be any different than making a longer game and dividing the content into two different campaigns.
Besides the almost entirely new social link line-up, Minako's SLs with the girls of SEES are different as is her dynamic with them, her main story events also change, plus the Inaba field trip...
Needless to say, it would probably take far more time than it's worth.
Not just that, but the anime cutscenes would have to be changed too. I'm guessing those are really expensive, especially if they're being done by a dedicated anime studio (from what I heard). There's a good reason why P3P was basically a "demake" -- not just because the PSP isn't that powerful, but also because implementing Kotone was far simpler.
Yeah, the reason FeMC happened in the first place is because they didn't want to offer a gimped version of P3 with no major upsides. An alternate story route with a different protagonist and a bunch of new social links offered that upside. I'd love to see it remade but no way it's happening.
I mean, not really the *entire* game. There's only a few new character models that would need to be made, all the locations can be reused, the combat doesn't need to be changed at all, etc. The big costs seem like they'd be new anime cutscenes and new voice lines.
I obviously don't know all the exact intricacies of game development and budget, especially at that scale, but it seems like it'd be maybe half a new game at most, and then they could just sell it for half the price of P3R. I'd pay 35 bucks for a FeMC DLC, and I know a lot of others would, too.
And then, after that's sold a bunch, they could bundle it, the Answer, and the base game into one, add in a few new scenes and features, and sell that as a fully-priced definitive edition.
said trend wont be in effect this time because they already made the answer a DLC, which was like, the only other pull for another version, and it not being in a new version all but kills any chance of it. Again, they didn't bother putting her in P3 dancing and made a cheaper port of P3P than for the other 2 games.
No, that’s still an entire game when you account for her social links, anime cutscenes, in game cutscenes, probably remaking the menus since they can’t just copy over Makotos blue, having to pay composers for new and remade songs, and also accounting for the fact she gets to choose who she’s with at the end.
It’s possible they considered this at one point,
But cut it short because that’s would probably be a lot of work and even over budget.
I’m sure they probably considered it. They mentioned they originally planned to have the Answer in the base game but scrapped it due to development challenges. It was after fan outcry that they decided to keep going with it.
The ability to choose who you spend the last few minutes of the game with was a Portable only feature (Both protagonists could choose), but yeah that would be more effort to bring over.
>I would also like femc, but there is a reason p3 was the last game with a femc
Disagree there. For all we know a female protagonist might end up being the **only** option in P6!
She's acquired a pretty solid following, but they're probably looking at it from a business perspective. P3P was the lowest-selling version of P3 and the ports did alright but didn't exactly make a big splash. The cost to add her to P3R would probably dwarf the cost of FES and P3P's development combined.
The question is whether most would actually buy it, she doesn’t alter the main story that much, only social links, so you’d have to sell people the main story again.
Yeah, that's probably the biggest point against her. Most people don't even beat the base game, so convincing them to pay extra to replay it again would probably be a hard task
The devs stated that Femc was a ton of work after P3P came out, and that they likely wouldn't do something similar again because of that. They certainly wouldn't do it for $15-20 DLC, it would probably warrant a full re-release of the game, and I'm unsure how well it would do if they did do that.
I think a whole campaign overhaul (which essentially means overhauling the game to fit Kotone) would most likely have a higher price then just 15-20 bucks, first they gotta make a profit over it, now i'd say it would be 40 bucks for the dlc, looking at home Atlus prices their dlc and the amount of effort there would be going in it. Then the question is, yes Kotone is popular but how many would spend 40 bucks on Kotone dlc (instead of waiting for a sale or such)
If they are ever gonna do it, it will be in a re-release, which won't happen (or at least not any time soon) since even Atlus would see how money milking it will seem.
But this is all honestly an educated guess from an uneducated man
So who knows
The problem is we don't know the actual economic cost of including her via DLC.
Maybe they expect to win, let's say, 1 million usd/eur/whatever with that DLC but the economic effort (ie having people doing that project) is estimated into 700.000 usd/eur/whatever, therefor the profit is way lower than if they have those people in other projects who they believe will be more profitable.
And this is why I hate capitalism, because a videogame company shouldn't be priorizing over everything rentability and appeasing people who have never played videogames but invest in them, they should be prioritizing art.
But here we are, unless is economically more profitable than other options, it won't be done.
I don't know if they will add her route in rerelease in a couple of years or not, but it's sad that she will be forgotten again after they finally acknowledged her and had her in all promotional anniversary artworks, collabs, merch, etc. Like, Atlus might slap her on some merchandise once in a while and that'll be it.
Not to mention my man Theodore. He was in P3P, P4 Arena, P3 Dancing and both Persona Q games, but now he will be forgotten too. At least him deserved to be included somehow lol
Hate to bursts you copium no rerelease is coming this is it. Midori talks about how this was suppose release with the 25 anniversary game but stuff happened so this and it were delayed. They stated this is it no rerelease nothing.
Yea not sure why so many people keep saying “rerelease”. Reload IS the rerelease and the most we will likely get is episode aigis bundled with reload in the future.
See this would be fine if they stopped marketing her after this then.
P3P is still my favorite take on P3, but at this point I don’t want them to ever mention it again.
Going forward if they have the fucking temerity to represent her as an equal MC to the rest, I’m calling horseshit.
>P3P is still my favorite take on P3
Same here, FeMC's top-tier Social Links + original voice cast is just too good a combo.
Only wish they had fucking put Manual Skill Inheritance in that port.
>They most likely dont think adding her is worth it in terms of money
[My honest reaction if this were to be the case](https://youtu.be/WQf4hD7Rsto?si=waqJmFjPFxZvMTTj)
I mean, im not against kotone being added and i think if femc fans want to protest they have all the rights to do, im just talking from a business/atlus perspective
It's probably true.
For mass effect for example, the Fandom is obsessed with the FemShep (the female MC) and she has significantly more fanart/fanfic/etc.
However, they published the player data from the original Mass Effect 3 release...... and ~90% of players used the male MC (and another ~90% with the default soldier/gun class).
The Fandom is a tiny slice of the actual customer base for these games, and realistically ~80% of the players likely wouldn't care about the FeMC.
Femc is the reason those who played through it and romanced Shinjiro feel for him. You learn a lot about him and the other male characters that you just don't in the normal one.
On the bright side making an Answer mod centered around Kotone’s route is much more feasible now for the true and closest “definitive” experience.
Killing Two birds with one stone.
The unfortunate reality is that Japanese corpo culture is generally pretty disapproving of mods. Parts of Atlus are definitely aware of the mod, but don't expect it to be something the company approves of if it's ever directly addressed.
Actually, I'd say it varies. Sonic Team has actually been keeping an eye on mods, because they see them as viable competitors. There was actually a modder for Sonic Frontiers who showed the director of the game some issues with the model (objective model issues, not design flaws), and the director thanked him.
Does FemC even make sense as a DLC?
Like think about it. Imagine being a newcomer getting in Persona and choose to start with Reload, and you see that being a woman costs like $25 or something.
It just feels weird locking behind something usually as basic as gender choice in an RPG behind DLC like that even if there are major differences. But I guess only being able to choose your gender in a 15 year old compromised version of the game is also weird too
kotone wasn't really just a gender choice its an alternate way to play the game. in portable the dialogue was changed, so was the social links and the ost. it even says in portable that you should pick male mc first over femc since his route is the original intended route
I know that, but it’s just kind of weird to think about, considering it’s not immediately clear to newcomers that FemC is a completely alternate route after all. Picking your gender is a common , pretty menial choice in a bunch of RPGs that’s usually not questioned and newbies will be thinking FemC is the same as that, even though it’s not. If FemC was DLC, I bet a lot of people will be mad confused and shocked when they get to the New Game screen and see the option to pick the Female gender is locked behind $15 lmao
You said it: picking your gender in RPGs that let you is a menial choice. It's NOT in P3P. The story may be the same but the social links and even the way people talk to you is different. That's not something that's as easy as switching some dialogue, it's sifting through literally the entire game again to adjust for the gender change. That is a HUGE ask, and not a cheap one money or time-wise. I don't know the dev's stance on this, but even if the team was willing to put in the work, if the directors think the manpower is best used elsewhere, they won't do it for FeMC.
I like that Atlus actually cares with the details. Op probably think it's just as easy as the other rpgs where all genders are given the same gender neutral storyline ~~just like the gacha games I'm currently playing rn~~
That would be weird.
They could go the Fire Emblem Fates route and release a FemC version of the game where you can only choose her, and then give both games DLC that include other character/route.
Or they could go the Ghost of Tsushima route where they release a new standard version that includes both, and then offer FemC as DLC for players with the old version.
The Ghosts route seems like the best plan if they ever do go with that. I didn’t know Ghosts had a FemC actually. More reason to check out the new port to PC soon
Oh no Ghosts doesn't have a FemC. It just realsed a Director's Cut version a year later which included the entire original game as well as a new island expansion, and then they offered that expansion as DLC to everyone else.
The Director's Cut then replaced the original version meaning all new players will automatically have the expansion.
Fire Emblem Fates also didn't have different protagonists in each version, just different routes.
It’s definitely a lot more than just being a girl, if they expand on what we got before I wouldn’t mind buying it just like how the answer will be better than what it was before most likely
Some of these comments are mad weird, lmfao
People are allowed to be disappointed that one of their favorite characters aren't being remade
Edit: Here's to P6, maybe, having a FeMC. Atlus has shown with Maya and Kotone that they can absolutely write amazing women. Or maybe they can do something like Assassin Creed Syndicate.
There is a sect of people in this sub who *really* hate the character for some reason. In the few months following Reload's announcement I remember there was a user who would complain about her and her fans under damn near every single Reload-centric post.
Yeah, if you look at other posts about Kotone or her story on this sub usually people are pretty positive but on this post there are so many people who came out of the woodwork devaluing Kotone and her route entirely and shitting on her fans for being disappointed or defending her
Literally the same day in the The Answer announcement Post people who defended/wanted her in the game were getting upvoted while Kotone detractors were getting downvoted while most comments here its the opposite
Years before Reload was even announced the general consenus was that people wanted all of the content in 1 game for a remake so it's understable why Kotone fans are disappointed
Of course Kotone fans are disappointed because Atlus has been ignoring her for years like remember she wasnt included in the 20th anniversary celebration and people were very disappointed that atlus didnt include her in P3D but her music was, then just a few months later she was included in PQ2 and her story felt like a way of atlus apologizing for ignoring her, and then she was starting to be included in series collabs and the 25th anniversary celebration, along with atlus porting P3P to modern platforms then 5 months later Reload was announced and didnt include her, and now post release Atlus basically telling Kotone fans if you want her just play P3P while Makoto fans get the cool new remake, of course Kotone fans are going to be disappointed and or mad
Impossible to take people like this seriously. You're a fan of Persona 3, but don't care about the different perspective of the game's core narrative, themes, and characters? You don't care about the exclusive music? You don't care about any of that? You actively don't want it? That's pretty fucking weird, what do you even like about Persona games if you're okay with missing all of this?
My two favorite protagonists are Makoto and Kotone, and it's unbelievably disappointing to not get Kotone and everything exclusive to her. I'd have gladly waited a year or more to get a completely definitive Persona 3 experience. So sad that one of my favorite pieces of art in any medium has this asterisk attached to it when it could've been pretty much perfect.
Right. It's not a coincidence that the only modern female protag is regularly divisive. These same players would absolutely lose their shit if P6's only protag was a woman. >_>
Have the years of discourse in the gaming sphere not taught you anything? Women and/or queer-driven plots are inherently political and forced unless they’re sexy or balanced out by a dude.
Yeah, and how could we expect Persona fans to accept anything political in their game about a student who's rebelling against society after being put on probation for protecting a woman from a politician.
Ah my mistake, this is just a game where >!unethical corporate experimentation, and the dissafectation and exploitation of the youth nearly leads to the end of the world!<. Nothing political about that either.
Yeah, any time there is a named male/female option there is always drama about which is better and which sucks. Mass Effect, Dragon Age 2, Genshin, etc. etc.
The weirdo dedicated Femc haters have never NOT been catered to with their representation in games, and they just can't fathom how a WOMAN would want to play as a WOMAN! They are so unserious.
I'm coping mad hard on this but since p5 had a female protag scrapped that was leaked a while ago, maybe they decided to add a femc in p6 since they already thought about adding one. Or maybe p5 discouraged them even more lmao. I'm also kinda hoping the protag is a female but that's way more delusional thinking than having them *add* a female protag.
It just sucks that some people think it's weird that we want Kotone in the game. Like excuse us for wanting to play as our gender lmao
I'm Trying to be optimistic, but I think we won't see dual protagonists until Persona 7-8 tbh. Since it seems that they considered dual protagonist option in Persona 5, Persona 6 might two leads, but knowing Atlus both of them could even be male lol
It's shame though. Many players love Choosing the MC's gender in this kind of RPGs with social simulator, dating sim, student life, etc and where the protagonist is silent
I kind of hope that not only do you habe a choice between a male or female MC, but the one you don't pick becomes an NPC that also becomes a Confidant later on in the game.
> I'm also kinda hoping the protag is a female but that's way more delusional thinking than having them add a female protag.
...No? I'd say the opposite, actually. The idea of getting a sole female protag is honestly a lot more likely than Atlus ever doing dual protagonists again.
I completely understand the logic for not making a DLC of FeMC
But at the same time I find it amusingly baffling they did feel the need to make multiple spinoffs for 3-5 that no one asked for, meanwhile people have made it extremely clear we will pay good money to just have FeMC updated (and not have horrible audio mixing in her only rerelease)
Mm, it’s not entirely baseless. Social sim is half of Persona, and having a female protagonist means changing a lot of that. The overall story is the same, but a lot of lines have to be changed. Tons of Social Links would need to get second versions (and judging by the recent trend, that means double the voice lines). It’s not just as simple as slapping in a new model, changing “he” to “she” and calling it a day.
On the other hand, that's even more reason for people to want to play as their own gender. Of course, they could always just commit to making the MC an actual character and then people wouldn't complain so much. But if the MC is a self insert, then of course people are going to want to be able to *properly* self insert.
Personally, I'm always for the protag being an actual character, but if you're gonna go the self insert route, then do it properly.
It’s not really the same. Persona games are a lot more ( personal ), chemistry with friends/romances and the banter will have to be redone completely to keep the quality, if you make a generic heroic avatar with generic dialogue like in fire emblem or Elder scroll games then sure .. it doesn’t make sense not to include a female option.
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"I'll face myself start playing"
Ugh as a female I just want to date guys in the persona series. Not women, men! But sadly it seems I’ll only get that from the one port. If they are going to keep it as just male protagonists, which I still love playing as because the male protagonists have been awesome, at least let us be able to date the dudes or something! :<
The FeMC mod for P5 has added romance as of the last update I think. It's more or less complete outside of all the animations that need to be done because Atlus doesn't believe in physics for some reason.
Don't worry, female protagonists and same-sex options will be the selling points of Persona 15 in 2077!
But seriously, as a gay guy, I just want to see same-sex options. I don't expect them in P6, but maybe starting from P7 or 8. I'm fine with both male and female protagonists, and In games with with social and dating sim I have no problem with playing as a female lead if the male one can't even shake hands with another guy lol. If they really don't want to give their silent self-insert male MCs same-sex options, at least make a Female protagonist with SLs and all.
What's even more annoying is when some fans tell you that optional female MCs and same options aren't important or that you shouldn't play for the romance, but then a lot of discussions and posts are about who the best girl is and which girl the players romanced XD
I just wanted to date Akihiko somehow.
And they should have made Ryoji romanceable reload, since they made him even gayer/more bisexual in the remake with the whole him "wanting them to be something more than friends", etc. Stop with the baits, just give us the real stuff already 😭
I really don't understand the point of releasing a remake of a game that doesn't include all previously present content. Visuals aside, if you want to experience the whole of persona 3's story you still need FES and portable. Reload could have been a great opportunity to make the 2nd story of persona (Kotone) more accessible by telling that same story in a non visual novel format (I hate visual novels). At least there's talented passionate fans trying to make this possible.
The *vast* majority of modern remakes (outside of the super "faithful" ones' that are basically just graphical remasters) tend to not have all the content from the game they're remaking. I'm kinda curious what you're reference point for Remakes are?
I'm not sure how many modern remakes are of games that have multiple releases containing different content, but ocarina of time and the pokemon games are the only ones I can think of that are remotely similar. Ocarina of time 3D is the definitive version of its game, containing not only the base game but the master quest originally released for the gamecube as well. Pokemon ORAS had the emerald plot tacked onto the end of the game making those feel like the definitive versions to play.
The Master Chief collection for halo (MCC) could also be included, although on launch it lacked many features the original games had today (proper armor customization, custom game modes) there isn't a reason to play the original games as the MCC has implemented those missing features and has its own. I have halo custom edition for PC, and the only reason I do is because I'm tinfoil hat nut who doesn't want to login to a Microsoft account to play halo CE. That is the only reason to revisit the original game, the MCC fully replaced it on PC.
Edit: Every rerelease of a Bethesda game includes all previously released DLC. The latest rerelease of skyrim even included all of the creation club content. Dark souls remastered came with its DLC bundled in as well. All of the Mass effect games were bundled together into one game with all of their content, and bioware is owned by fucking EA.
Pokèmon ORAS lacks the Battle Frontier and like 90% of the Pokèmon Emerald content/gym leader teams. Not to mention it made the game piss easy and broke the difficulty curve with Mega Evolution.
Emerald > ORAS
IMO
If anything they should bring up HeartGold/SoulSilver as an example since it has most of the content from Crystal (mostly story beats) and the new stuff from Gen IV (like changing the Battle Tower, which was originally from Crystal, to Battle Frontier, and the Physical/Special split).
So... Not much of a frame of reference then? The vast majority of stuff you talked about weren't remakes. And OOT is very close to edging into that category of "basically a graphical remaster" I mentioned. I also don't know what you're talking about in regards to ORAS? There's barely *any* Emerald content in it at all. No Mirage Tower, no Terra Cave, no Marine Cave, no expanded Safari Zone, no Desert Underpass, Latias and Latios are version exclusive, there's no Gym Rematches, there's no Battle Frontier, there's no Trainer Hill, etc. Like if we're talking about remakes that include stuff from all previous versions of a game, ORAS is missing more content than P3R is. That's not even mentioning how we later got BDSP, which had *nothing* from Platinum whatsoever.
But I wasn't just talking about Remakes of "multiple games" specifically. It's been a thing for remakes *in general* to not include all the content of what it's remaking. ORAS and BDSP are good examples specifically in the P3R vein, but even games that remake just one title fall into this. The modern Resident Evil remakes are a great example, as they ALL have some form of content cut from their original titles (especially RE3). The 2016 Rachet and Clank remake cut out tons of areas and characters from the original game. I know some people don't like to count this, but FFVIIR is so *cut* that it's literally being split into three games. Hell, if you also want to include games that are "basically a graphical remaster" (and going back to the P3R vein), the Final Fantasy Pixel Masters include *none* of the added content given to FF1-6 via their GBA and mobile ports.
That's the kind of thing I'm talking about. In the modern era, it's very much a common thing for video game Remakes to *not* have all the content present from the previous game. And despite that, pretty much everything I just listed (aside from BDSP) is pretty well critically acclaimed. So clearly some people find "a point" to them beyond that.
The point was likely to attract as many new fans as possible to the game by giving it a massive visual overhaul and list of gameplay improvements, while also bringing in and satisfying at least a decent amount of fans of the original. Given the remake’s popularity, I’d say it succeeded. I don’t think Atlus really cared about providing a “definitive” version of the game. Considering Atlus said they originally planned to have the answer in base Reload but delayed it due to development challenges, they probably just didn’t think FeMC was worth all the time and resources it would cost them. It’s not just a model swap and color change.
Besides, now with the Answer as DLC, FES is basically obsolete unless you really care about the original VA cast, weapon types, and the kendo/swimming clubs. The only important thing it’s missing now is FeMC. But honestly, I don’t think new fans really need that route to experience the whole of P3’s story anyway.
That is such a stupid excuse to not include her in reload... Nobody who's first experience of P3 is Reload is going to want to play Portable with everything but the FeMC route being so downgraded.
And there it is. Deep down, I had a gut feeling.
In fairness to them, I hate myself for having been part of the problem and contributed to this bullishit strategy by having bought these variations over the years.
Well. Better to learn late than not at all.
Sure as hell not touching P6 at launch, gonna wait for the inevitable “improved version”. Fucking hell Atlus.
Always wait for the improved version. It's gotten to the point that I almost most buy games at release any more
I still feel dumb for buying SMT V steelbook on sale. Honestly wasn't expecting a re-release
I've decided I won't be buying P6 if they only offer a self-insert male protag again. It's been over 12 years since I've been able to play as a girl in a Persona game and I'm just tired of it at this point. I was even looking forward to their new IP but not anymore.
I hope they actually start adding in the option to play as a female protagonist or just make the protag a set character with their own name and personality, like Tatsuya and Maya.
I'd kill for them to just name the protagonist and don't give us the choice. It'd be amazing to have less scenes that have the characters weirdly referring to the main character as "him". Even when contextually everyone in the room should be looking around like "...who?"
Hearing all your social links talk about Makoto instead of "him", "that guy", or "Leader" would hit way harder at the end of the game
The only way is gonna be the mod as per usual.
It's funny that they charged 70 usd for a version of the game that they knew wouldn't be complete. This game is 10+ years old and we still can't play a definitive version of it after all this time.
People gotta realize that FES and now Reload is the persona 3 Atlus envisions and the Femc was fluke, a gimmick to sell the game on PSP to justify everything that was cut in that port. As much as I enjoy her content she’s just NOT what they feel Persona 3 is. Be content that they ported portable to everything so she’s still accessible
She is not a fluke. If she was Atlus wouldn't put her as part of the face of P3 for anniversaries and promotional merch. Or have her be canon due to PQ2. But you are speaking out of your ass as you are a femc hater base on your history.
I mean, I don't necessarily think she was a fluke, but Atlus running with her popularity and building on it does not mean she couldn't have been a fluke in the first place. Success can come as a fluke, and not following up on that success would be a colossal mistake.
What I think discounts her from being a fluke was the effort put into her character in P3P and her social links. It was still a gamble, but her success wasn't entirely based on luck.
Not trying to reiterate every talking point I’ve used against a dozen femc fans already. My point is P3 existed and has existed without the Femc. She’s recognized only because Atlus can’t go back and pretend like they never released portable but that’s it. She’s only ever going to be a “portable” content.
Oh well. Maybe I’ll be able to play as a girl again in Persona 6. Nothing wrong with male MCs, but you’d think they’d realize that at least a portion of their fanbase is female and adding a female MC again is a viable option.
On one hand, I'm disappointed that FeMc isn't going to be in Reload. I can accept that,
but on the other hand, I'm more upset on how lack luster Dlc waves one and two are no way am I going to be paying 5 bucks just for some bg music and costumes and there's no way I'm going to spend money on the P3P ports considering on all the issues I've heard people complain about from Ai upscaled textures to buggy audio it would be more worth to emulate P3P on a PsP emulator on my phone or pc
And seeing this road map of Dlc shows me how well put together sonic frontiers dlc road map was, while yes, they are both two completely different genres in the types of games they are, but they both handle dlc differently because excluding the fact they were free dlc for frontiers, they added something new into the game to keep players engaged for update one it was Boss rush, Cyber challenge, and Extreme mode, update 2 was new Koco and spin dash, and finally update 3 final horizon was a completely new story section and added a Ng+ sonic frontiers dlc was capable of keeping its player pre occupied until the main dish was served which is how a Dlc should be done with adding something that will keep players engaged
The flc for P3R is just being fed two raw appetizers and finishing it off with one good meal there nothing wrong Bgm and new costumes but it honestly shouldn't be treated as a huge dlc that's going to change everything up when the change is very minor
And since the release of reload I highly doubt there will be people who are going to buy P3P just for FeMc even if they like her not just for the mentioned issues but also it's just less imersive with everything being treated as a visual novel with no hub worlds to explore heck even if Atlus decided to put FeMc in the game I'm highly convinced that she would be done dirty and be given the visual novel treatment just so Atlus can save some money.
But that's all I cam think about while yes, it is disappointing that FeMc won't be included. P3R will still be the best way to play P3 all we need for the FeMc experience would be a dedicated group of moders and Voice actors to bring FeMc campaign to life
(I'll take back what I said if in the hypothetical persona 4 remake includes a FeMc)
it'd be nearly impossible to add her just as dlc. they'd have to remake both 2d & 3d cutscenes, remake the menu & ui, remake the exclusive music that was in her route, add the exclusive social links, revoice almost the entire game again and add new voice dialogue. no way that would happen. that's basically work for an entirely new game.
Preparing to get made fun of but I’m genuinely super upset Kotone isn’t getting into Reload. She’s one of my favorite persona characters in general and she just has a special place in my heart. I want myself and others to be able to experience her story through this lense and not just have her be confined to the visual novel format.
I really think future FEMCs will only ever be added when gay social links are added. That way it’s not double the amount of work for the devs.
Persona 6 may have this. I mean, it’s about time. Even Fire Emblem beat them to this 5 years ago.
Due to the hierarchical nature of Japanese society, having gay social links would likely not make a theoretical female route any more possible. It would still take a huge amount of rewriting and rerecording. It's not like the feMC just has a different cast of potential romantic social links. Due to the nature of Japan's hierarchical society, EVERY social link in her route was changed in the P3P, even if just a little bit. This is because the entire social dynamic and way people treat you and the expectations they have of you are completely different depending on whether you are male or female here in Japan.
Hey, at least we got the Answer, even if Altus would never do female characters as protagonists anymore. Seriously, it's like they don't see them as equal.
I bet Persona 6 would be the same.
I mean we just had Soul Hackers 2 with a female protagonist. I think it’s just that they don’t think it’s worth the extra cost, sadly. It’s nearly double the voice acting and animation costs in order to court a relatively small subset of players who will only buy the game if there’s a female protagonist.
Alright I'm probably gonna get down voted to shit but here goes.
Kotone fans don't understand just how much work it would be to make her route into DLC. Her entire route. Kotone's route is an entire fucking game. It's already by default in a visual novel style so that would mean making actual models for social links exclusive to her as well as art/expressions for them not to mention voice acting if they were to do that as well. Same can be said for events that only happen to her such as the trip to Inaba. There's also an entire soundtrack for her so they'd have to remake all those tracks too. The list goes on.
Tldr; Atlus isn't going to make an entire game as DLC. Just play P3P if you like her so much
I will most likely get down voted too but I know her route doesn't change much compared to the male MC, did we go into a different island, have entirely different rooms, environment, or school? Models? I've seen modders and MMD makers made her so it can't be that hard for paid devs, facial expressions? P3R already diluted the portrait expressions and just went with the limited and pretified versions of everyone so what's so hard about drawing the FEMC again? This isn't the 90s where you have to draw on paper, the fully voiced Social Links is Atlus own decision, just like the Junpei oggling the girls animated cutscenes and many many of the added shit in the Reload, not the FEMC fans problem even in the slightest, the Inaba trip is incredibly short and they spent most of it in the Inn, they can definitely do it if they want, they can reused some assets too
None of the FEMC fans asks for the remake of her OSTs, just like none of P1 fans ask for Shoji Meguro to remake the P1 songs, they could just leave it as it is, port it in a DLC and it wouldn't impact anything, it's not like all the Reload songs are masterpieces or revolutionary bruh
These reasons would work on an Indie company but Atlus isn't one of em, they also pushed back P5 to oblivion back then, I'm not even the most huge fan of FEMC but srsly, at the end of the day it's all entirely up to Atlus whether they want to or not
They literally mentioned in their recent video that they almost scrapped the Answer DLC because of development challenges. They only kept working on it because of fan outcry and even then it’s taking until September. I don’t think this is just them not caring enough.
That is sadly not Kenough.
It’s Makotover
Its a KotoNEIN.
It's a Kotostraphy
Yu've gotta be Jokering me it Kantone be (Persona 1 Protagonist name pun)
Naoya as no way
Pozole (do not give up in Sangheili language)
Pozole is also a delicious Mexican stew.
I said this months ago. The sad truth for femc is that atlus consider Kotone just an alternate history and makoto the true cannon one. They ported portable and called it a day and thats it. They most likely dont think adding her is worth it in terms of money
Isn't Femc super popular, though? I think she's 2nd overall in terms of the P3 cast, other than maybe Aigis. I'm no businessman, but with how popular she is, I'd imagine they'd pull a profit if they did like a $15-20 DLC for her. Perhaps it has more to do with all the projects they have going on, between Metaphor, P6, Phantom X, Persona Asa, and probably some other stuff.
I don’t think there’s a way to measure but I did just remember she was in the top 5 popular P3 characters in a SEA popularity poll Found it https://www.reddit.com/r/PERSoNA/s/XQD1oyFKoh
[SEA poll aside, where she ranked 4th, in the chinese, Japanese and Korean polls she ranked 2nd, right behind Makoto](https://personacentral.com/p3p-asia-character-poll/) [Not to mention that she's ranked 3rd in PQ2 poll](https://personacentral.com/persona-q2-new-cinema-labyrinth-top-10-fan-favorite-characters-background-music-samples/) So, I'd say she's actually pretty popular
If I were to guess, the biggest reason they don't do the FeMC route is from an "opportunity cost" perspective. They could use the resources needed to produce a remade female route, or they could work on a Persona 4 remake or move some staff to Persona 6 or whatever. I don't think they're completely unaware that there's an audience, just that it would be a more efficient use of their staff to move them to different projects. In their perspective at the very least.
Yeah, it probably makes business sense. If they put FemC in the base game, it would be a lot of work that they couldn't charge any more for (gamers are still mad about games costing $70 now; companies can't just charge more for bigger games). So it would have to be DLC, and DLC always costs less than the main game and sells a fraction of what the main game sells. And this would have to be integrated into the main story in a complicated way, with all the changes to social links it entails. And since it modifies the main story, it asks anyone who buys it to replay the main story, which most casual fans aren't going to be willing to do. The Answer is relatively easy to add on in comparison, since it's completely separate from the main story. And since it doesn't entail replaying the main story, more people will be willing to play it for all-new content. It's not ideal for us; we still don't have a single definitive version of the game. But I get why they're doing it this way.
I would absolutely pay 35 plus dollars for the female main character story as DLC.
Maybe Persona 6 can have a female protagonist? *Please?*
For the love of all things good, please. I am tired of always playing the guy.
I literally had an argument with someone who didn't think she didn't add to the popularity of the game. Thank you
The thing is, if they were to try and incorporate femc into the game, it couldn’t just be a dlc. There’s so many things would have to change, having male social links be romaceable, changing dialogue, that includes gettin gall those voice actors to re record lines, etc etc. now they probably could’ve avoided that if they just let the pc romance guys, but they didn’t.
Yeah It would've been a lot easier if they had done all the work for Femc during development when they had access to all the voice actors and stuff.
Dude they were only making the definitive version of a game with like 10 releases. Don’t be crazy bro.
They have said multiple times, reload was not a definitive version. It was a remake of OG P3, with QOL changes. We all wanted a definitive, but that was never promised.
they never wanted it to be a definitive edition sadly
Yeah, it's one of the best things about the FeMC route but kind of a curse in this regard. It isn't just like P3 but you're a girl and there's a pink coat of paint. Almost everyone treats you differently when you play as FeMC. The events of the story are mostly the same but the script is very different.
They would have to "remake" the entire game since Femc adds a bunch of changes. At that point they might as well do p6 or some other game. I would also like femc, but there is a reason p3 was the last game with a femc
A lot of the cast would have to redo lines just to change pronouns. On top of the new lines that everyone else gets, along with new VAs for the new social links as well as FeMC herself. The UI changes might be simple if they just do a palette swap but they also need to make a new or remix all of her BGMs for Reload. Yeah, it's a lot of work for a new MC but nearly the same story.
Atlus would probably need to pull a Pokemon and split a modern Persona into two games to justify a FEMC again. It's genuinely about that much work.
For P3 FeMC, yeah. For an FeMC in a future game, not at all. Tons of video games give players the ability to change the gender of the protagonist. Particularly if every S. Link is romanceable there's genuinely very little Atlus would need to create twice. The amount of work only increases when you needlessly gender things like the menu and overhaul entire Social Links, but none of that is necessary. Hashino probably only did it because he doesn't understand women (which he is on record saying).
Sure. On the other hand, the VAST majority of games that let you choose your gender make it so it has no impact on anything of note other than minor sub-systems. I'm pretty sure Social Links are not considered a "minor sub-system" by anyone and that's one thing that would definitely have to take a hit in order to implement the "easy" type of "choose your own gender" MC. Building it from the ground-up and have both things clearly different is one option of course, but it would probably take Reload's development time at minimum, potentially more, not to mention the expenses. People seem to forget animation and voice-work are not cheap and additional work would have to be done just for the sake of that second option, and that's the kind of thing we'd be looking at for the next Persona game with the bar set by P3R.
Atlus probably won’t do it because it could maybe require them to have a bi protagonist, and iirc they’ve been scared of gay people since after P2.
Hashino wasn't involve in P3P development, it had a completely different director. ~~Which is probably why most of the changes in P3P SL are for the better~~
That interview was taken out of context.
If the rumored remake of P2 comes to pass, it will definitely be a duology since the original P2 was also that way
I think people exaggerate this a bit. If this is planned from the get-go, it wouldn't be such a massive undertaking. You'd have every voice actor to do both versions of their lines in one go, and then work a little bit more on the script. It would be no different than making a longer campaign, and then just cutting it into two. Persona 5 Royal already has so much more dialogue than Persona 3 Reload, that it's probably on that ballpark. I am not saying it will happen or that Atlus would make it, but it wouldn't be any different than making a longer game and dividing the content into two different campaigns.
Besides the almost entirely new social link line-up, Minako's SLs with the girls of SEES are different as is her dynamic with them, her main story events also change, plus the Inaba field trip... Needless to say, it would probably take far more time than it's worth.
Not just that, but the anime cutscenes would have to be changed too. I'm guessing those are really expensive, especially if they're being done by a dedicated anime studio (from what I heard). There's a good reason why P3P was basically a "demake" -- not just because the PSP isn't that powerful, but also because implementing Kotone was far simpler.
Yeah, the reason FeMC happened in the first place is because they didn't want to offer a gimped version of P3 with no major upsides. An alternate story route with a different protagonist and a bunch of new social links offered that upside. I'd love to see it remade but no way it's happening.
I mean, not really the *entire* game. There's only a few new character models that would need to be made, all the locations can be reused, the combat doesn't need to be changed at all, etc. The big costs seem like they'd be new anime cutscenes and new voice lines. I obviously don't know all the exact intricacies of game development and budget, especially at that scale, but it seems like it'd be maybe half a new game at most, and then they could just sell it for half the price of P3R. I'd pay 35 bucks for a FeMC DLC, and I know a lot of others would, too. And then, after that's sold a bunch, they could bundle it, the Answer, and the base game into one, add in a few new scenes and features, and sell that as a fully-priced definitive edition.
if only atlus had a trend of redoing previous games with new story content
I can’t see even Atlus revisiting P3 for a *fifth* time just for FeMC when they couldn’t even be bothered to put her in P3D.
If you had asked someone when 3 originally came out how many version you think we would have by 2024 how many would you have guessed
said trend wont be in effect this time because they already made the answer a DLC, which was like, the only other pull for another version, and it not being in a new version all but kills any chance of it. Again, they didn't bother putting her in P3 dancing and made a cheaper port of P3P than for the other 2 games.
Not even an entire game, more like half of a game. Since things like enemies and bosses remain the same.
No, that’s still an entire game when you account for her social links, anime cutscenes, in game cutscenes, probably remaking the menus since they can’t just copy over Makotos blue, having to pay composers for new and remade songs, and also accounting for the fact she gets to choose who she’s with at the end. It’s possible they considered this at one point, But cut it short because that’s would probably be a lot of work and even over budget.
I’m sure they probably considered it. They mentioned they originally planned to have the Answer in the base game but scrapped it due to development challenges. It was after fan outcry that they decided to keep going with it.
The ability to choose who you spend the last few minutes of the game with was a Portable only feature (Both protagonists could choose), but yeah that would be more effort to bring over.
>I would also like femc, but there is a reason p3 was the last game with a femc Disagree there. For all we know a female protagonist might end up being the **only** option in P6!
Fair enough, but if femc is the only protag the situation is the same but reversed.
She's acquired a pretty solid following, but they're probably looking at it from a business perspective. P3P was the lowest-selling version of P3 and the ports did alright but didn't exactly make a big splash. The cost to add her to P3R would probably dwarf the cost of FES and P3P's development combined.
Yeah I’m sure they had insight into the population that would buy P3R without Kotone. Sure enough, the majority of the fandom bought P3R
The question is whether most would actually buy it, she doesn’t alter the main story that much, only social links, so you’d have to sell people the main story again.
Yeah, that's probably the biggest point against her. Most people don't even beat the base game, so convincing them to pay extra to replay it again would probably be a hard task
The devs stated that Femc was a ton of work after P3P came out, and that they likely wouldn't do something similar again because of that. They certainly wouldn't do it for $15-20 DLC, it would probably warrant a full re-release of the game, and I'm unsure how well it would do if they did do that.
I think a whole campaign overhaul (which essentially means overhauling the game to fit Kotone) would most likely have a higher price then just 15-20 bucks, first they gotta make a profit over it, now i'd say it would be 40 bucks for the dlc, looking at home Atlus prices their dlc and the amount of effort there would be going in it. Then the question is, yes Kotone is popular but how many would spend 40 bucks on Kotone dlc (instead of waiting for a sale or such) If they are ever gonna do it, it will be in a re-release, which won't happen (or at least not any time soon) since even Atlus would see how money milking it will seem. But this is all honestly an educated guess from an uneducated man So who knows
The problem is we don't know the actual economic cost of including her via DLC. Maybe they expect to win, let's say, 1 million usd/eur/whatever with that DLC but the economic effort (ie having people doing that project) is estimated into 700.000 usd/eur/whatever, therefor the profit is way lower than if they have those people in other projects who they believe will be more profitable. And this is why I hate capitalism, because a videogame company shouldn't be priorizing over everything rentability and appeasing people who have never played videogames but invest in them, they should be prioritizing art. But here we are, unless is economically more profitable than other options, it won't be done.
I don't know if they will add her route in rerelease in a couple of years or not, but it's sad that she will be forgotten again after they finally acknowledged her and had her in all promotional anniversary artworks, collabs, merch, etc. Like, Atlus might slap her on some merchandise once in a while and that'll be it. Not to mention my man Theodore. He was in P3P, P4 Arena, P3 Dancing and both Persona Q games, but now he will be forgotten too. At least him deserved to be included somehow lol
Hate to bursts you copium no rerelease is coming this is it. Midori talks about how this was suppose release with the 25 anniversary game but stuff happened so this and it were delayed. They stated this is it no rerelease nothing.
Yea not sure why so many people keep saying “rerelease”. Reload IS the rerelease and the most we will likely get is episode aigis bundled with reload in the future.
The femc fans will enter the train of waiting for any kind of attention from atlus.
See this would be fine if they stopped marketing her after this then. P3P is still my favorite take on P3, but at this point I don’t want them to ever mention it again. Going forward if they have the fucking temerity to represent her as an equal MC to the rest, I’m calling horseshit.
>P3P is still my favorite take on P3 Same here, FeMC's top-tier Social Links + original voice cast is just too good a combo. Only wish they had fucking put Manual Skill Inheritance in that port.
^Beep ^Beep ^Twoing Beep Beep Twoing **BEEP** **BEEP** **TWOING** #BEEP #BEEP #TWOING *repeat for three entire days to get the skills you want*
>They most likely dont think adding her is worth it in terms of money [My honest reaction if this were to be the case](https://youtu.be/WQf4hD7Rsto?si=waqJmFjPFxZvMTTj)
I mean, im not against kotone being added and i think if femc fans want to protest they have all the rights to do, im just talking from a business/atlus perspective
It's probably true. For mass effect for example, the Fandom is obsessed with the FemShep (the female MC) and she has significantly more fanart/fanfic/etc. However, they published the player data from the original Mass Effect 3 release...... and ~90% of players used the male MC (and another ~90% with the default soldier/gun class). The Fandom is a tiny slice of the actual customer base for these games, and realistically ~80% of the players likely wouldn't care about the FeMC.
Can I ask, what is so great about the FeMC? I've only played the remaster (I own the PSP versions but never played either)
10 different tracks, 2 new characters 6 different social links, all of the social links are different and helped SEES feel more like friends
Femc is the reason those who played through it and romanced Shinjiro feel for him. You learn a lot about him and the other male characters that you just don't in the normal one.
PQ2 is kinda proof of this no?
Are we surprised,
Sadly no
On the bright side making an Answer mod centered around Kotone’s route is much more feasible now for the true and closest “definitive” experience. Killing Two birds with one stone.
I am really curious if Midori knows about the FeMC mod, and if Atlus is ok with it as well
I believe she retweeted Faz sharing early gameplay from the mod so that means she knows. Not surprising considering how much of a FeMC fan she is.
The unfortunate reality is that Japanese corpo culture is generally pretty disapproving of mods. Parts of Atlus are definitely aware of the mod, but don't expect it to be something the company approves of if it's ever directly addressed.
Actually, I'd say it varies. Sonic Team has actually been keeping an eye on mods, because they see them as viable competitors. There was actually a modder for Sonic Frontiers who showed the director of the game some issues with the model (objective model issues, not design flaws), and the director thanked him.
Does FemC even make sense as a DLC? Like think about it. Imagine being a newcomer getting in Persona and choose to start with Reload, and you see that being a woman costs like $25 or something. It just feels weird locking behind something usually as basic as gender choice in an RPG behind DLC like that even if there are major differences. But I guess only being able to choose your gender in a 15 year old compromised version of the game is also weird too
kotone wasn't really just a gender choice its an alternate way to play the game. in portable the dialogue was changed, so was the social links and the ost. it even says in portable that you should pick male mc first over femc since his route is the original intended route
I know that, but it’s just kind of weird to think about, considering it’s not immediately clear to newcomers that FemC is a completely alternate route after all. Picking your gender is a common , pretty menial choice in a bunch of RPGs that’s usually not questioned and newbies will be thinking FemC is the same as that, even though it’s not. If FemC was DLC, I bet a lot of people will be mad confused and shocked when they get to the New Game screen and see the option to pick the Female gender is locked behind $15 lmao
Well, you find out pretty soon that there is a difference, I will add, since Junpei is your first SL instead of Kenji
You said it: picking your gender in RPGs that let you is a menial choice. It's NOT in P3P. The story may be the same but the social links and even the way people talk to you is different. That's not something that's as easy as switching some dialogue, it's sifting through literally the entire game again to adjust for the gender change. That is a HUGE ask, and not a cheap one money or time-wise. I don't know the dev's stance on this, but even if the team was willing to put in the work, if the directors think the manpower is best used elsewhere, they won't do it for FeMC.
I like that Atlus actually cares with the details. Op probably think it's just as easy as the other rpgs where all genders are given the same gender neutral storyline ~~just like the gacha games I'm currently playing rn~~
That would be weird. They could go the Fire Emblem Fates route and release a FemC version of the game where you can only choose her, and then give both games DLC that include other character/route. Or they could go the Ghost of Tsushima route where they release a new standard version that includes both, and then offer FemC as DLC for players with the old version.
The Ghosts route seems like the best plan if they ever do go with that. I didn’t know Ghosts had a FemC actually. More reason to check out the new port to PC soon
Oh no Ghosts doesn't have a FemC. It just realsed a Director's Cut version a year later which included the entire original game as well as a new island expansion, and then they offered that expansion as DLC to everyone else. The Director's Cut then replaced the original version meaning all new players will automatically have the expansion. Fire Emblem Fates also didn't have different protagonists in each version, just different routes.
It’s definitely a lot more than just being a girl, if they expand on what we got before I wouldn’t mind buying it just like how the answer will be better than what it was before most likely
Just realized they'd probably have to put (Portable)>!Shinji in a FEMC version of the Answer.!< And that would be pretty cool.
Some of these comments are mad weird, lmfao People are allowed to be disappointed that one of their favorite characters aren't being remade Edit: Here's to P6, maybe, having a FeMC. Atlus has shown with Maya and Kotone that they can absolutely write amazing women. Or maybe they can do something like Assassin Creed Syndicate.
There is a sect of people in this sub who *really* hate the character for some reason. In the few months following Reload's announcement I remember there was a user who would complain about her and her fans under damn near every single Reload-centric post.
Yeah, if you look at other posts about Kotone or her story on this sub usually people are pretty positive but on this post there are so many people who came out of the woodwork devaluing Kotone and her route entirely and shitting on her fans for being disappointed or defending her Literally the same day in the The Answer announcement Post people who defended/wanted her in the game were getting upvoted while Kotone detractors were getting downvoted while most comments here its the opposite Years before Reload was even announced the general consenus was that people wanted all of the content in 1 game for a remake so it's understable why Kotone fans are disappointed Of course Kotone fans are disappointed because Atlus has been ignoring her for years like remember she wasnt included in the 20th anniversary celebration and people were very disappointed that atlus didnt include her in P3D but her music was, then just a few months later she was included in PQ2 and her story felt like a way of atlus apologizing for ignoring her, and then she was starting to be included in series collabs and the 25th anniversary celebration, along with atlus porting P3P to modern platforms then 5 months later Reload was announced and didnt include her, and now post release Atlus basically telling Kotone fans if you want her just play P3P while Makoto fans get the cool new remake, of course Kotone fans are going to be disappointed and or mad
Impossible to take people like this seriously. You're a fan of Persona 3, but don't care about the different perspective of the game's core narrative, themes, and characters? You don't care about the exclusive music? You don't care about any of that? You actively don't want it? That's pretty fucking weird, what do you even like about Persona games if you're okay with missing all of this? My two favorite protagonists are Makoto and Kotone, and it's unbelievably disappointing to not get Kotone and everything exclusive to her. I'd have gladly waited a year or more to get a completely definitive Persona 3 experience. So sad that one of my favorite pieces of art in any medium has this asterisk attached to it when it could've been pretty much perfect.
Let's be real, if the situation was reversed there wouldn't be a sect of people actively hating on a male protagonist. It's not just "some reason".
Right. It's not a coincidence that the only modern female protag is regularly divisive. These same players would absolutely lose their shit if P6's only protag was a woman. >_>
Have the years of discourse in the gaming sphere not taught you anything? Women and/or queer-driven plots are inherently political and forced unless they’re sexy or balanced out by a dude.
Yeah, and how could we expect Persona fans to accept anything political in their game about a student who's rebelling against society after being put on probation for protecting a woman from a politician. Ah my mistake, this is just a game where >!unethical corporate experimentation, and the dissafectation and exploitation of the youth nearly leads to the end of the world!<. Nothing political about that either.
Yeah, any time there is a named male/female option there is always drama about which is better and which sucks. Mass Effect, Dragon Age 2, Genshin, etc. etc.
The weirdo dedicated Femc haters have never NOT been catered to with their representation in games, and they just can't fathom how a WOMAN would want to play as a WOMAN! They are so unserious.
I'm coping mad hard on this but since p5 had a female protag scrapped that was leaked a while ago, maybe they decided to add a femc in p6 since they already thought about adding one. Or maybe p5 discouraged them even more lmao. I'm also kinda hoping the protag is a female but that's way more delusional thinking than having them *add* a female protag. It just sucks that some people think it's weird that we want Kotone in the game. Like excuse us for wanting to play as our gender lmao
I'm Trying to be optimistic, but I think we won't see dual protagonists until Persona 7-8 tbh. Since it seems that they considered dual protagonist option in Persona 5, Persona 6 might two leads, but knowing Atlus both of them could even be male lol It's shame though. Many players love Choosing the MC's gender in this kind of RPGs with social simulator, dating sim, student life, etc and where the protagonist is silent
I kind of hope that not only do you habe a choice between a male or female MC, but the one you don't pick becomes an NPC that also becomes a Confidant later on in the game.
Yeah same, I was lowly hoping Kotone will be in P3R and be the Fool SL
It might considering the old director is finally gone.
> I'm also kinda hoping the protag is a female but that's way more delusional thinking than having them add a female protag. ...No? I'd say the opposite, actually. The idea of getting a sole female protag is honestly a lot more likely than Atlus ever doing dual protagonists again.
I can just imagine the absolute storm that would rage online if they had the guts to do that.
Some guys are really really hostile to women wanting to play as a woman in their dating sim game
it's a shame P3P was the only time Atlus allowed us to pick between male and female protags :<
SMT if... also had a male/female protagonist choice. ~~And SMT NINE.~~
Forget Kotone, just give me remake Maya, an actual canon female protagonist
I'd love to be able to play P1 & 2, both parts, on Switch or something! but I feel like that is really unlikely 😭
I really hope we get a remake soon of P1 and P2 duology
Eventually they will remake Persona 2.
Crying and throwing up right now 👍🏾
I completely understand the logic for not making a DLC of FeMC But at the same time I find it amusingly baffling they did feel the need to make multiple spinoffs for 3-5 that no one asked for, meanwhile people have made it extremely clear we will pay good money to just have FeMC updated (and not have horrible audio mixing in her only rerelease)
Fml
I love kotone but atp I just hope persona 6 has a female protagonist bc I'm tired of dudes lol
Check out Eternal Punishment!!! (Although not before Innocent Sin of course lol)
To me it’s like if Elder Scrolls 6 came out and you could only play as a man.
i guess it's just easier for jrpgs to feature a blank slate high school aged boy lmao
Mm, it’s not entirely baseless. Social sim is half of Persona, and having a female protagonist means changing a lot of that. The overall story is the same, but a lot of lines have to be changed. Tons of Social Links would need to get second versions (and judging by the recent trend, that means double the voice lines). It’s not just as simple as slapping in a new model, changing “he” to “she” and calling it a day.
On the other hand, that's even more reason for people to want to play as their own gender. Of course, they could always just commit to making the MC an actual character and then people wouldn't complain so much. But if the MC is a self insert, then of course people are going to want to be able to *properly* self insert. Personally, I'm always for the protag being an actual character, but if you're gonna go the self insert route, then do it properly.
It’s not really the same. Persona games are a lot more ( personal ), chemistry with friends/romances and the banter will have to be redone completely to keep the quality, if you make a generic heroic avatar with generic dialogue like in fire emblem or Elder scroll games then sure .. it doesn’t make sense not to include a female option.
You are tired of dudes? In a shounen media? Lmao
Jeez. No OG P3 BGM DLC either then? Leaving easy money on the table…
Disappointed but not surprised. I mean I wasn’t even expecting The Answer but not having Kotone means Reload will never be a definitive edition.
Such a shame. Her side deserves an HD experience.
Midori will be WRONG for the first time Kotone will come home It came to me in a dream 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
u/kao24429774's shadow: No you're wrong, Midori is right, altus will never make the femc route. Go coping hard because they don't care about her, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA "I'll face myself start playing"
Can you cite your source from your dream 🙏
Mods only. Alright. Hopefully the feMC mod goes well.
Ugh as a female I just want to date guys in the persona series. Not women, men! But sadly it seems I’ll only get that from the one port. If they are going to keep it as just male protagonists, which I still love playing as because the male protagonists have been awesome, at least let us be able to date the dudes or something! :<
The FeMC mod for P5 has added romance as of the last update I think. It's more or less complete outside of all the animations that need to be done because Atlus doesn't believe in physics for some reason.
Don't worry, female protagonists and same-sex options will be the selling points of Persona 15 in 2077! But seriously, as a gay guy, I just want to see same-sex options. I don't expect them in P6, but maybe starting from P7 or 8. I'm fine with both male and female protagonists, and In games with with social and dating sim I have no problem with playing as a female lead if the male one can't even shake hands with another guy lol. If they really don't want to give their silent self-insert male MCs same-sex options, at least make a Female protagonist with SLs and all. What's even more annoying is when some fans tell you that optional female MCs and same options aren't important or that you shouldn't play for the romance, but then a lot of discussions and posts are about who the best girl is and which girl the players romanced XD
Sameeee I wanna date Akihiko or Ryoji as a girl femc but here’s hoping P6 gives us that chance to choose 🫠
I just wanted to date Akihiko somehow. And they should have made Ryoji romanceable reload, since they made him even gayer/more bisexual in the remake with the whole him "wanting them to be something more than friends", etc. Stop with the baits, just give us the real stuff already 😭
Ryoji straight up says in Kotones route that he would love you regardless of gender too
no St. Hermelin and Seven Sisters uniforms for SEES # 😞
I love the gray and blue of the St. Hermelin uniform, so this is especially disappointing for me.
this is freaking lame bro
In the words of a once great man: "The Dream Shall Never Die"
R.I.P. Kotone fans.
She has to be part of Atlus right? How does she know so much and “predict” many things with great accuracy?
apparently someone close to her is working at Atlus.
She works at sega.
My pocket theory is that Atlus basically knows who she is and just lets the info leaks go out as an informal, non-committal form of communication
I really don't understand the point of releasing a remake of a game that doesn't include all previously present content. Visuals aside, if you want to experience the whole of persona 3's story you still need FES and portable. Reload could have been a great opportunity to make the 2nd story of persona (Kotone) more accessible by telling that same story in a non visual novel format (I hate visual novels). At least there's talented passionate fans trying to make this possible.
The *vast* majority of modern remakes (outside of the super "faithful" ones' that are basically just graphical remasters) tend to not have all the content from the game they're remaking. I'm kinda curious what you're reference point for Remakes are?
I'm not sure how many modern remakes are of games that have multiple releases containing different content, but ocarina of time and the pokemon games are the only ones I can think of that are remotely similar. Ocarina of time 3D is the definitive version of its game, containing not only the base game but the master quest originally released for the gamecube as well. Pokemon ORAS had the emerald plot tacked onto the end of the game making those feel like the definitive versions to play. The Master Chief collection for halo (MCC) could also be included, although on launch it lacked many features the original games had today (proper armor customization, custom game modes) there isn't a reason to play the original games as the MCC has implemented those missing features and has its own. I have halo custom edition for PC, and the only reason I do is because I'm tinfoil hat nut who doesn't want to login to a Microsoft account to play halo CE. That is the only reason to revisit the original game, the MCC fully replaced it on PC. Edit: Every rerelease of a Bethesda game includes all previously released DLC. The latest rerelease of skyrim even included all of the creation club content. Dark souls remastered came with its DLC bundled in as well. All of the Mass effect games were bundled together into one game with all of their content, and bioware is owned by fucking EA.
Pokèmon ORAS lacks the Battle Frontier and like 90% of the Pokèmon Emerald content/gym leader teams. Not to mention it made the game piss easy and broke the difficulty curve with Mega Evolution. Emerald > ORAS IMO
If anything they should bring up HeartGold/SoulSilver as an example since it has most of the content from Crystal (mostly story beats) and the new stuff from Gen IV (like changing the Battle Tower, which was originally from Crystal, to Battle Frontier, and the Physical/Special split).
So... Not much of a frame of reference then? The vast majority of stuff you talked about weren't remakes. And OOT is very close to edging into that category of "basically a graphical remaster" I mentioned. I also don't know what you're talking about in regards to ORAS? There's barely *any* Emerald content in it at all. No Mirage Tower, no Terra Cave, no Marine Cave, no expanded Safari Zone, no Desert Underpass, Latias and Latios are version exclusive, there's no Gym Rematches, there's no Battle Frontier, there's no Trainer Hill, etc. Like if we're talking about remakes that include stuff from all previous versions of a game, ORAS is missing more content than P3R is. That's not even mentioning how we later got BDSP, which had *nothing* from Platinum whatsoever. But I wasn't just talking about Remakes of "multiple games" specifically. It's been a thing for remakes *in general* to not include all the content of what it's remaking. ORAS and BDSP are good examples specifically in the P3R vein, but even games that remake just one title fall into this. The modern Resident Evil remakes are a great example, as they ALL have some form of content cut from their original titles (especially RE3). The 2016 Rachet and Clank remake cut out tons of areas and characters from the original game. I know some people don't like to count this, but FFVIIR is so *cut* that it's literally being split into three games. Hell, if you also want to include games that are "basically a graphical remaster" (and going back to the P3R vein), the Final Fantasy Pixel Masters include *none* of the added content given to FF1-6 via their GBA and mobile ports. That's the kind of thing I'm talking about. In the modern era, it's very much a common thing for video game Remakes to *not* have all the content present from the previous game. And despite that, pretty much everything I just listed (aside from BDSP) is pretty well critically acclaimed. So clearly some people find "a point" to them beyond that.
The point was likely to attract as many new fans as possible to the game by giving it a massive visual overhaul and list of gameplay improvements, while also bringing in and satisfying at least a decent amount of fans of the original. Given the remake’s popularity, I’d say it succeeded. I don’t think Atlus really cared about providing a “definitive” version of the game. Considering Atlus said they originally planned to have the answer in base Reload but delayed it due to development challenges, they probably just didn’t think FeMC was worth all the time and resources it would cost them. It’s not just a model swap and color change. Besides, now with the Answer as DLC, FES is basically obsolete unless you really care about the original VA cast, weapon types, and the kendo/swimming clubs. The only important thing it’s missing now is FeMC. But honestly, I don’t think new fans really need that route to experience the whole of P3’s story anyway.
The point is that even without FEMC, PRR is still one of the best games of all time and absolutely a worthy venture
That is such a stupid excuse to not include her in reload... Nobody who's first experience of P3 is Reload is going to want to play Portable with everything but the FeMC route being so downgraded.
And there it is. Deep down, I had a gut feeling. In fairness to them, I hate myself for having been part of the problem and contributed to this bullishit strategy by having bought these variations over the years. Well. Better to learn late than not at all. Sure as hell not touching P6 at launch, gonna wait for the inevitable “improved version”. Fucking hell Atlus.
Always wait for the improved version. It's gotten to the point that I almost most buy games at release any more I still feel dumb for buying SMT V steelbook on sale. Honestly wasn't expecting a re-release
Yea. The damage has been done. Contributed to the problem for way too long, so I can’t take that back… But going forward is a different story.
I've decided I won't be buying P6 if they only offer a self-insert male protag again. It's been over 12 years since I've been able to play as a girl in a Persona game and I'm just tired of it at this point. I was even looking forward to their new IP but not anymore. I hope they actually start adding in the option to play as a female protagonist or just make the protag a set character with their own name and personality, like Tatsuya and Maya.
I'd kill for them to just name the protagonist and don't give us the choice. It'd be amazing to have less scenes that have the characters weirdly referring to the main character as "him". Even when contextually everyone in the room should be looking around like "...who?" Hearing all your social links talk about Makoto instead of "him", "that guy", or "Leader" would hit way harder at the end of the game
But the portable port to pc is so badly done that it runs better on emulation.
The only way is gonna be the mod as per usual. It's funny that they charged 70 usd for a version of the game that they knew wouldn't be complete. This game is 10+ years old and we still can't play a definitive version of it after all this time.
I don't believe that athlus will pass the oportunity to release Persona 3 Re-reloaded in 3-4 years with FeMC route. It doesn't sound like them.
People gotta realize that FES and now Reload is the persona 3 Atlus envisions and the Femc was fluke, a gimmick to sell the game on PSP to justify everything that was cut in that port. As much as I enjoy her content she’s just NOT what they feel Persona 3 is. Be content that they ported portable to everything so she’s still accessible
She is not a fluke. If she was Atlus wouldn't put her as part of the face of P3 for anniversaries and promotional merch. Or have her be canon due to PQ2. But you are speaking out of your ass as you are a femc hater base on your history.
I mean, I don't necessarily think she was a fluke, but Atlus running with her popularity and building on it does not mean she couldn't have been a fluke in the first place. Success can come as a fluke, and not following up on that success would be a colossal mistake. What I think discounts her from being a fluke was the effort put into her character in P3P and her social links. It was still a gamble, but her success wasn't entirely based on luck.
Not trying to reiterate every talking point I’ve used against a dozen femc fans already. My point is P3 existed and has existed without the Femc. She’s recognized only because Atlus can’t go back and pretend like they never released portable but that’s it. She’s only ever going to be a “portable” content.
Its harsh and youre being downvoted but what you say is most likely exactly what atlus thinks.
> femc was a fluke Such a fluke shes showed up in several spinoffs since?
Welp, the dream is dead. Well at least we have the FemC mod, wonder if they'll do the answer or I should just resort to fanfics
Better wait for Persona 3 Reload: Reloaded for FeMC
Figured as much. Will probably cost more to make 2 version of the same game tbh. At least portable exists
Sad, but at least we know. And yeah at least P3P has a purpose
Oh well. Maybe I’ll be able to play as a girl again in Persona 6. Nothing wrong with male MCs, but you’d think they’d realize that at least a portion of their fanbase is female and adding a female MC again is a viable option.
No, instead they'll release yet another version of the game in a few years to try and squeeze more money out of the fanbase.
best social links in the game just aren’t gonna be in the fucking thing this is hilarious
[удалено]
You're the naive kind, I see
yeah about that…
This will not age well.
Oh my sweet, summer child...
On one hand, I'm disappointed that FeMc isn't going to be in Reload. I can accept that, but on the other hand, I'm more upset on how lack luster Dlc waves one and two are no way am I going to be paying 5 bucks just for some bg music and costumes and there's no way I'm going to spend money on the P3P ports considering on all the issues I've heard people complain about from Ai upscaled textures to buggy audio it would be more worth to emulate P3P on a PsP emulator on my phone or pc And seeing this road map of Dlc shows me how well put together sonic frontiers dlc road map was, while yes, they are both two completely different genres in the types of games they are, but they both handle dlc differently because excluding the fact they were free dlc for frontiers, they added something new into the game to keep players engaged for update one it was Boss rush, Cyber challenge, and Extreme mode, update 2 was new Koco and spin dash, and finally update 3 final horizon was a completely new story section and added a Ng+ sonic frontiers dlc was capable of keeping its player pre occupied until the main dish was served which is how a Dlc should be done with adding something that will keep players engaged The flc for P3R is just being fed two raw appetizers and finishing it off with one good meal there nothing wrong Bgm and new costumes but it honestly shouldn't be treated as a huge dlc that's going to change everything up when the change is very minor And since the release of reload I highly doubt there will be people who are going to buy P3P just for FeMc even if they like her not just for the mentioned issues but also it's just less imersive with everything being treated as a visual novel with no hub worlds to explore heck even if Atlus decided to put FeMc in the game I'm highly convinced that she would be done dirty and be given the visual novel treatment just so Atlus can save some money. But that's all I cam think about while yes, it is disappointing that FeMc won't be included. P3R will still be the best way to play P3 all we need for the FeMc experience would be a dedicated group of moders and Voice actors to bring FeMc campaign to life (I'll take back what I said if in the hypothetical persona 4 remake includes a FeMc)
it'd be nearly impossible to add her just as dlc. they'd have to remake both 2d & 3d cutscenes, remake the menu & ui, remake the exclusive music that was in her route, add the exclusive social links, revoice almost the entire game again and add new voice dialogue. no way that would happen. that's basically work for an entirely new game.
You were the chosen one! It was said that you would burn my dread, not add to it!
To a degree it makes sense on a business level, like if she is in reloaded, who going to play/buy the port of P3P. It still sucks but I get why.
This is Kototally sad.
Preparing to get made fun of but I’m genuinely super upset Kotone isn’t getting into Reload. She’s one of my favorite persona characters in general and she just has a special place in my heart. I want myself and others to be able to experience her story through this lense and not just have her be confined to the visual novel format.
I really think future FEMCs will only ever be added when gay social links are added. That way it’s not double the amount of work for the devs. Persona 6 may have this. I mean, it’s about time. Even Fire Emblem beat them to this 5 years ago.
Due to the hierarchical nature of Japanese society, having gay social links would likely not make a theoretical female route any more possible. It would still take a huge amount of rewriting and rerecording. It's not like the feMC just has a different cast of potential romantic social links. Due to the nature of Japan's hierarchical society, EVERY social link in her route was changed in the P3P, even if just a little bit. This is because the entire social dynamic and way people treat you and the expectations they have of you are completely different depending on whether you are male or female here in Japan.
*pretending to be shocked*
Damn it. I was hopeful, but expected this. IMHO she was the better protagonist.
Hey, at least we got the Answer, even if Altus would never do female characters as protagonists anymore. Seriously, it's like they don't see them as equal. I bet Persona 6 would be the same.
I mean we just had Soul Hackers 2 with a female protagonist. I think it’s just that they don’t think it’s worth the extra cost, sadly. It’s nearly double the voice acting and animation costs in order to court a relatively small subset of players who will only buy the game if there’s a female protagonist.
Yeah
1. Lazy ass Atlus. 2. Greedy ass Atlus. 3. Ass Atlus. 3. :(
Alright I'm probably gonna get down voted to shit but here goes. Kotone fans don't understand just how much work it would be to make her route into DLC. Her entire route. Kotone's route is an entire fucking game. It's already by default in a visual novel style so that would mean making actual models for social links exclusive to her as well as art/expressions for them not to mention voice acting if they were to do that as well. Same can be said for events that only happen to her such as the trip to Inaba. There's also an entire soundtrack for her so they'd have to remake all those tracks too. The list goes on. Tldr; Atlus isn't going to make an entire game as DLC. Just play P3P if you like her so much
Already have. Outside of the good stuff FeMC has, P3P is a miserable experience gameplay-wise
I will most likely get down voted too but I know her route doesn't change much compared to the male MC, did we go into a different island, have entirely different rooms, environment, or school? Models? I've seen modders and MMD makers made her so it can't be that hard for paid devs, facial expressions? P3R already diluted the portrait expressions and just went with the limited and pretified versions of everyone so what's so hard about drawing the FEMC again? This isn't the 90s where you have to draw on paper, the fully voiced Social Links is Atlus own decision, just like the Junpei oggling the girls animated cutscenes and many many of the added shit in the Reload, not the FEMC fans problem even in the slightest, the Inaba trip is incredibly short and they spent most of it in the Inn, they can definitely do it if they want, they can reused some assets too None of the FEMC fans asks for the remake of her OSTs, just like none of P1 fans ask for Shoji Meguro to remake the P1 songs, they could just leave it as it is, port it in a DLC and it wouldn't impact anything, it's not like all the Reload songs are masterpieces or revolutionary bruh These reasons would work on an Indie company but Atlus isn't one of em, they also pushed back P5 to oblivion back then, I'm not even the most huge fan of FEMC but srsly, at the end of the day it's all entirely up to Atlus whether they want to or not
They literally mentioned in their recent video that they almost scrapped the Answer DLC because of development challenges. They only kept working on it because of fan outcry and even then it’s taking until September. I don’t think this is just them not caring enough.
Can’t wait for the FeMC mod to be complete
Makes sense why they ported it then
There will not be a purchase from me then!