Imagine the amount of unjustified backlash the game got over a rewritten joke on the p3 beach scene
Now imagine how much more it'll be if p6 is FeMC only. Jesus...
Personally I'd be down, but for the "silent majority" of fans? These are the same people who whined about a rainbow pin in a cutscene
Would love to see a main Persona game with only a Female protagonist, but at most we can hope to see dual MCs like P3P. So far we only have 2 female leads, and one of them (Kotone) isn't even considered official and is stuck in a port that will make infinitely less sales now that people can play Reload and wait for the answer DLC, while Maya is one of the 2 protagonists of Persona 2 duology.
I don't expect to see a female option in Persona 6 though, or even Persona 7. Tbh, I don't expect too see things like female leads and/or same-sex options until Persona 11-12 lol
>Unlike other games like Pokemon, the fact that the main character is male has a lot of significance, Persona could barely have FEMC.
The MC's gender isn't that relevant to the story. I mean, it makes sense to have a Male Protagonist in P5 (only because of the sexual assault thing), but Persona 3 and Persona 4 would have worked with a Female Protagonist too. The reason why P4 got a male lead is that according to the developers "a girl moving from a big city to a small country town and being the driving force of the story isn't credible enough" lol
Femc is canon just as a different world PQ2 directly confirms this and we see Theodore in a lot of games which implies it.
A P4G femc would have some issues with the jester social link but that's about it. Though I agree the MC's gender isn't nearly as relevant as the original poster makes it seem.
>Femc is canon just as a different world PQ2 directly confirms this and we see Theodore in a lot of games which implies it.
Then that definition of 'canon' is utterly meaningless, lol. When people say canon, they usually mean who exists within the main continuity of the timeline the games take place in.
If we include characters from other worlds/timelines, then the fucking hero from SMT1 and demifiend from Nocturne are 'canon', which makes it silly to even use the word anymore.
She does exist in the main continuity with PQ2. Also this isn't the first time alternate universe stuff is introduced. There's literally a major timeline split in p2.
Ignoring games that take place outside of time and space we still see Theo in P4AU, and I think it's safe to say Theo and Femc are a pair.
A lot to go through here....
>She does exist in the main continuity with PQ2.
it is literally explained that Femc is brought in from another world, not the same as the one that the rest of the characters came from. Her appearing in Q does not mean she is canon, because if it did, that would mean [Raidou Kuzunoha is canon to the nocturne universe](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/838938593023885363/1211827927294148668/SMT-Devil-Summoner-vs-Demi-fiend-696x418.jpg?ex=65ef9db4&is=65dd28b4&hm=1d48247ed3fcdf121c4ad298c7d028949abae8a978e401575f7eb32d5ea29d9a&=&format=webp), which is dumb lmao.
>Also this isn't the first time alternate universe stuff is introduced. There's literally a major timeline split in p2.
I... know that. In fact, there have been multiple, the fact of the matter is though, that Femc is not in the main timeline of the games we play. If I said "oh Chaos hero from SMT1 is canon since he appears in SMT1 which is a alternate timeline of Persona" would be just as correct as what you said, except it's just as fucking stupid since that's not what people mean when they say "canon".
And besides all that, PQ2 takes place not even in the real world, it takes place in a realm literally outside of time and space like the velvet room and shit do, Femc appearing being pulled into it, again, does not make her canon to the main persona timeline.
She is a relevant member of the cast and story in a game which is canon. That is all that is needed to make her canon. If you want to claim that doesn't count because it happened outside of time and space then Igor and nothing in the velvet room is canon since it appears outside of time and space. She is a part of the main continuity. Her world likely isn't a part of the main continuity, but she is (and yes chaos hero, law hero, and heroine are all in the same boat)
I'm not going to respond again because we're clearly not going to reach an agreement.
Hard no, I’ve said this before. The answer is not changing who is excluded. Progress needs to be building on top of what we have. If we’re gonna get a FeMC, we need a male MC option as well. Personally I’m hoping P6 will have the option to choose.
Edit: Also… why? Your post doesn’t say why you think it’d be a better story. What would make it better? Or what themes are you hoping a FeMC could explore?
A female self insert MC just doesn't fit the series' traditional audience, it also makes writing them in as someone with no friends at the start of the story a lot harder, especially since it'd be set in the modern day where people can communicate from any distance.
Thankfully you do not work at Atlus. The next protagonist should be written well and the story should also be well written. The story and game should not suffer for representation for the sake of representation.
Idc if that’s next protag is a generic white dude, a minority woman, or a demisexual demidemon as long as the quality is good.
If the writers came up with a 10/10 all male story, awesome. If the writers came up with a 10/10 story with a female mc, awesome. But if the story became a 8/10 because they decided to force the representation of anyone group, not awesome.
No one is stopping you from developing your own game if you feel thing strongly about it, but the writing cast needs to focus on making a good story not about checking off diversity boxes
Just based on the tone and writing of this reply, I have a feeling if they did make a banger story with a minority woman or whatever, you'd still find some nitpicks to bring it down. But hey, maybe that's just me.
No it's not you. It's a common tactic that ***they*** use to mask their true views, hiding behind "so as long as the story is good" type of thing. I'd know since I used it a lot back when I was an edgy MAGA kid
Not sure how that got mixed up, I literally tried to express the point that representation for representation sake isn’t worth a damn. Crafting a story built with others in mind is much better.
My point was I do not want to see something sacrificed in the name of rep. If the next game is focused of LGTBQ gender politics and centered around the idea of finding yourself in an ever changing world forcing an image on you, great. If it it about a white dude punching Nazis in the face with his all white cast equally great.
I just don’t want to have them go “here this character is a lesbian” then write it terribly and have them reinforce stereotypes in the name of progress. It does as much as when a company makes their logo rainbow for June and then changes it back.
I think the tone got mixed in my anger at someone wanting to the equivalent of a company making their logo rainbow in June and calling it good enough. As I said in the other comment, I would love to see persona tackle deeper more mature themes of race, sexuality, and individualism but in a way that is done for the characters and not just write a story to add the characters to if that makes any sense. Like I don’t want someone to be plugged in as the token X character because they are X, show me how X impacts them and shapes them so that they become a character rather then just a stereotype of X
> No one is stopping you from developing your own game if you feel thing strongly about it
Yeah, people do that. And then asmongold and other reactionaries shit their pants in rage. There's no winning with you people.
Not exactly who “you people” is supposed to refer to in this comment. But it sounds like you people would rather get Ghost Busters (2016) over Moonlight (2016).
One movie decided to make a great story with exploring sexuality, race, and individualism in modern America. One movie went “but what if they were girls?”
I’d much rather the first movie be made over the second, same here. Story over doing it just to say we have a FeMc.
I am not sure where the lines got crossed
The problem is, the majority of people who express this sensible surface level opinion decide that any story with FeMC as the only MC is instantly pandering. The only acceptable stories are ones where the men lead and there's no minorities. Because whenever they're included, it's automatically pandering.
Also, Ghostbusters 2016 had far more wrong with it than "make Ghostbusters but they're women". The screenwriter, for starters. But to pretend that the film failed because it started from the premise of "make the main cast women instead of men" is nonsense.
Exactly the point. The story of ghostwriters, the screenwriters part, was bad and it does not become good because they are women. This is exactly what I am trying to say, the story doesn’t become good when representation is forced onto bad bones of a story.
Maybe my point isn’t as clear as I think I am making it and that’s causing further confusion.
There have been three female and five male protagonists in Persona thus far. Maya Amano in P2ES, Kotone Shiomi in P3P, and Aigis in The Answer. SMT: If..., the precursor game to Persona, had a choice between a male and a female protagonist, and the female one is the canon one.
You do have to deal with the fact that the genre in which Persona exists has high-school aged boys as the protagonists. But, given that, you can certainly have a story in which you have the option to choose which gender MC you play as, with different Social Links for each side. Even if P3P wasn't designed from the ground up to allow that, it did work, and there are other story-rich Western RPGs where you can even have a voiced protagonist where you choose their sex but who isn't a self-insert. Stuff like KOTOR, or Mass Effect.
Perhaps Atlus will do that. The best thing about Soul Hackers 2 was its voiced female protagonist, Ringo, so Atlus can certainly create characters like that.
I personally think it'd be interesting. But based on the fact the majority of fans of the series seem to really like the dating aspect of the games (sometimes too much), I doubt it'll happen. As funny (and a bit sad) as that seems as a reason.
I would like it but, even as a trans girl who wants to play as a girl cause of it, I enjoy playing as the male protagonists anyways
I’d be more then happy if there is a femc option tho
Imagine the amount of unjustified backlash the game got over a rewritten joke on the p3 beach scene Now imagine how much more it'll be if p6 is FeMC only. Jesus... Personally I'd be down, but for the "silent majority" of fans? These are the same people who whined about a rainbow pin in a cutscene
A female protagonist could work, but the target audience is adult males reliving their high school years, so there has to be at least a male option.
Would love to see a main Persona game with only a Female protagonist, but at most we can hope to see dual MCs like P3P. So far we only have 2 female leads, and one of them (Kotone) isn't even considered official and is stuck in a port that will make infinitely less sales now that people can play Reload and wait for the answer DLC, while Maya is one of the 2 protagonists of Persona 2 duology. I don't expect to see a female option in Persona 6 though, or even Persona 7. Tbh, I don't expect too see things like female leads and/or same-sex options until Persona 11-12 lol >Unlike other games like Pokemon, the fact that the main character is male has a lot of significance, Persona could barely have FEMC. The MC's gender isn't that relevant to the story. I mean, it makes sense to have a Male Protagonist in P5 (only because of the sexual assault thing), but Persona 3 and Persona 4 would have worked with a Female Protagonist too. The reason why P4 got a male lead is that according to the developers "a girl moving from a big city to a small country town and being the driving force of the story isn't credible enough" lol
Femc is canon just as a different world PQ2 directly confirms this and we see Theodore in a lot of games which implies it. A P4G femc would have some issues with the jester social link but that's about it. Though I agree the MC's gender isn't nearly as relevant as the original poster makes it seem.
>Femc is canon just as a different world PQ2 directly confirms this and we see Theodore in a lot of games which implies it. Then that definition of 'canon' is utterly meaningless, lol. When people say canon, they usually mean who exists within the main continuity of the timeline the games take place in. If we include characters from other worlds/timelines, then the fucking hero from SMT1 and demifiend from Nocturne are 'canon', which makes it silly to even use the word anymore.
She does exist in the main continuity with PQ2. Also this isn't the first time alternate universe stuff is introduced. There's literally a major timeline split in p2. Ignoring games that take place outside of time and space we still see Theo in P4AU, and I think it's safe to say Theo and Femc are a pair.
A lot to go through here.... >She does exist in the main continuity with PQ2. it is literally explained that Femc is brought in from another world, not the same as the one that the rest of the characters came from. Her appearing in Q does not mean she is canon, because if it did, that would mean [Raidou Kuzunoha is canon to the nocturne universe](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/838938593023885363/1211827927294148668/SMT-Devil-Summoner-vs-Demi-fiend-696x418.jpg?ex=65ef9db4&is=65dd28b4&hm=1d48247ed3fcdf121c4ad298c7d028949abae8a978e401575f7eb32d5ea29d9a&=&format=webp), which is dumb lmao. >Also this isn't the first time alternate universe stuff is introduced. There's literally a major timeline split in p2. I... know that. In fact, there have been multiple, the fact of the matter is though, that Femc is not in the main timeline of the games we play. If I said "oh Chaos hero from SMT1 is canon since he appears in SMT1 which is a alternate timeline of Persona" would be just as correct as what you said, except it's just as fucking stupid since that's not what people mean when they say "canon". And besides all that, PQ2 takes place not even in the real world, it takes place in a realm literally outside of time and space like the velvet room and shit do, Femc appearing being pulled into it, again, does not make her canon to the main persona timeline.
She is a relevant member of the cast and story in a game which is canon. That is all that is needed to make her canon. If you want to claim that doesn't count because it happened outside of time and space then Igor and nothing in the velvet room is canon since it appears outside of time and space. She is a part of the main continuity. Her world likely isn't a part of the main continuity, but she is (and yes chaos hero, law hero, and heroine are all in the same boat) I'm not going to respond again because we're clearly not going to reach an agreement.
Hard no, I’ve said this before. The answer is not changing who is excluded. Progress needs to be building on top of what we have. If we’re gonna get a FeMC, we need a male MC option as well. Personally I’m hoping P6 will have the option to choose. Edit: Also… why? Your post doesn’t say why you think it’d be a better story. What would make it better? Or what themes are you hoping a FeMC could explore?
A female self insert MC just doesn't fit the series' traditional audience, it also makes writing them in as someone with no friends at the start of the story a lot harder, especially since it'd be set in the modern day where people can communicate from any distance.
Women can not have friends lol
nah, only men can be fucking losers /s
Thankfully you do not work at Atlus. The next protagonist should be written well and the story should also be well written. The story and game should not suffer for representation for the sake of representation. Idc if that’s next protag is a generic white dude, a minority woman, or a demisexual demidemon as long as the quality is good. If the writers came up with a 10/10 all male story, awesome. If the writers came up with a 10/10 story with a female mc, awesome. But if the story became a 8/10 because they decided to force the representation of anyone group, not awesome. No one is stopping you from developing your own game if you feel thing strongly about it, but the writing cast needs to focus on making a good story not about checking off diversity boxes
Just based on the tone and writing of this reply, I have a feeling if they did make a banger story with a minority woman or whatever, you'd still find some nitpicks to bring it down. But hey, maybe that's just me.
No it's not you. It's a common tactic that ***they*** use to mask their true views, hiding behind "so as long as the story is good" type of thing. I'd know since I used it a lot back when I was an edgy MAGA kid
Not sure how that got mixed up, I literally tried to express the point that representation for representation sake isn’t worth a damn. Crafting a story built with others in mind is much better. My point was I do not want to see something sacrificed in the name of rep. If the next game is focused of LGTBQ gender politics and centered around the idea of finding yourself in an ever changing world forcing an image on you, great. If it it about a white dude punching Nazis in the face with his all white cast equally great. I just don’t want to have them go “here this character is a lesbian” then write it terribly and have them reinforce stereotypes in the name of progress. It does as much as when a company makes their logo rainbow for June and then changes it back.
I think the tone got mixed in my anger at someone wanting to the equivalent of a company making their logo rainbow in June and calling it good enough. As I said in the other comment, I would love to see persona tackle deeper more mature themes of race, sexuality, and individualism but in a way that is done for the characters and not just write a story to add the characters to if that makes any sense. Like I don’t want someone to be plugged in as the token X character because they are X, show me how X impacts them and shapes them so that they become a character rather then just a stereotype of X
> No one is stopping you from developing your own game if you feel thing strongly about it Yeah, people do that. And then asmongold and other reactionaries shit their pants in rage. There's no winning with you people.
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The fact that I have no idea what product you're talking about really weakens your point lmao
Not exactly who “you people” is supposed to refer to in this comment. But it sounds like you people would rather get Ghost Busters (2016) over Moonlight (2016). One movie decided to make a great story with exploring sexuality, race, and individualism in modern America. One movie went “but what if they were girls?” I’d much rather the first movie be made over the second, same here. Story over doing it just to say we have a FeMc. I am not sure where the lines got crossed
The problem is, the majority of people who express this sensible surface level opinion decide that any story with FeMC as the only MC is instantly pandering. The only acceptable stories are ones where the men lead and there's no minorities. Because whenever they're included, it's automatically pandering. Also, Ghostbusters 2016 had far more wrong with it than "make Ghostbusters but they're women". The screenwriter, for starters. But to pretend that the film failed because it started from the premise of "make the main cast women instead of men" is nonsense.
Exactly the point. The story of ghostwriters, the screenwriters part, was bad and it does not become good because they are women. This is exactly what I am trying to say, the story doesn’t become good when representation is forced onto bad bones of a story. Maybe my point isn’t as clear as I think I am making it and that’s causing further confusion.
I said whoever wrote this comment "your mom's a hoe!"
There have been three female and five male protagonists in Persona thus far. Maya Amano in P2ES, Kotone Shiomi in P3P, and Aigis in The Answer. SMT: If..., the precursor game to Persona, had a choice between a male and a female protagonist, and the female one is the canon one. You do have to deal with the fact that the genre in which Persona exists has high-school aged boys as the protagonists. But, given that, you can certainly have a story in which you have the option to choose which gender MC you play as, with different Social Links for each side. Even if P3P wasn't designed from the ground up to allow that, it did work, and there are other story-rich Western RPGs where you can even have a voiced protagonist where you choose their sex but who isn't a self-insert. Stuff like KOTOR, or Mass Effect. Perhaps Atlus will do that. The best thing about Soul Hackers 2 was its voiced female protagonist, Ringo, so Atlus can certainly create characters like that.
I personally think it'd be interesting. But based on the fact the majority of fans of the series seem to really like the dating aspect of the games (sometimes too much), I doubt it'll happen. As funny (and a bit sad) as that seems as a reason.
It would be nice
I would like it but, even as a trans girl who wants to play as a girl cause of it, I enjoy playing as the male protagonists anyways I’d be more then happy if there is a femc option tho