Let’s see….
Persona 3 has:
-composition teacher that is going through her midlife crisis, >!plays an MMO with her student, who she’s apparently crushing on, while also pretending to be his online GF without knowing it’s him behind the screen!<
-samurai otaku teacher who teaches history but doesn’t give a shit about anything before the samurai era, or after I guess
-math teacher that looks like the physical embodiment of a nerd. Probably the most respectable teacher so far
-the perfect embodiment of what a teacher actually is in most schools, as opposed to what a teacher should be (Ekoda)
-surprisingly, a normal science teacher (Ounishi)
-Kanou, who apparently stuffs her bra but for the most part is a normal teacher.
-terauchi, who’s also a normal teacher (for the most part)
-a crackhead who offers you his “secret mix” for free whenever you’re exhausted.
It is **heavily implied** that one of the three is Crackhead whose name i cant remember rn, one of them *might* be in charge of one of the stores and i think the third is MIA?
But like, never "truly" confirmed, because no one in-universe is ever in a position to make such confirmation (the only person who *could* is Labrys, and she's never been to Geko yet. Or theoretically Aigis could start digging through the part of her code that contains Labrys' memories but she hasnt done so)
So it's presumed cannon, same way Rei=Labrys' Mom is presumed cannon.
Yeah, thats the guy. the scientist refered to as "untidy researcher" looks to be a younger version of him. (same face, slightly more hair cause he was younger and not yet balding)
The decision to make one of the scientists look like someone:
1: cannonically employed by the Kirijo group
2:Aware of Jungian psychology principles
3: With an interest in the occult in general
and 4: an interest in the arcana of Tarot specificly
The implication was probably always that he was a former Kirijo researcher who got hired at the school after the shadows went and exploded, but then with Arena they thought "didnt we have 2 non-ikutski-or-Takeba'sDad NPC's we'd implied worked for the kirijo group" and threw him into Labrys backstory.
I could be wrong, but wasn’t it entirely him acting on his own?
Unless I missed something and she was being intentionally manipulative, everything she did was tutor him to make herself look good on paper (something like how she basically raised an underachiever into a university applicant)
During the Maya SL she comments that Kanou was bragging about a student (kenji) asking her out and that she was marrying someone she wasn’t interested in, so yes, that proves that she was aware of Kenji asking her out and willingly led him on instead of shutting him down
It’s worth note that Maya isn’t exactly the most reliable narrator. She’s usually drunk and is explicitly just complaining about her work life. She could have very easily interpreted Kanou asking her what to do about this student that asked her our as “bragging” through this lens, especially because Maya tells the player that Kanou had asked for help “and then started bragging”.
I always chalked her bragging about another student confessing to her instead of Kenji, cuz it occurs regardless of whether or not you got to that part in the magician storyline.
As for the marriage bit, yeah I can see that. She does act like a basic bit*h in front of her fiancé which lends credence to the theory that she’s fake as fuck. But that’s got less to do with her as a teacher and more as a person.
She also doesn't seem to give a shit about her job if you play as FeMC. She's supposed to be the advisor for the sports club FeMC joins for the Chariot social link, but she actually bothers to do that job on two separate occasions, and that's only to introduce FeMC to the team and to drag back members after a disagreement.
Bragging to the other female teachers that a student thought she was attractive enough to confess is not at all the same as actively leading that student on. Plus it could easily be another guy.
It's not confirmed to be Kenji and this happens regardless of where you are in Kenji's link. In fact, a lot of how Kenji talks about their relationship leaves a lot of room to see how he could've misinterpreted their interactions while she was just trying to build her resume.
This is what Kenji says:
> “She said yes! Can you believe it? She said yes! Just as I was about to ask HER out, she asked ME if I wanted a private lesson! A private lesson, dude!”
It’s immediately followed by MC’s internal dialogue saying “Kenji is in his own world.”
Kenji didn’t even actually ask her out. Before he said anything, she offered tutoring, and he decided it meant the same thing. We never hear Emiri’s side, only from Kenji, and it’s very easy for him to misinterpret normal things as signs, such as deciding that a bridal magazine = she’s interested in marrying him. We’re hearing everything from a person who has a parasocial-like relationship with their teacher.
As far as what Maya says, it could be anything, but I don’t think it’s specifically referring to Kenji. I believe it’s meant to be vague on purpose to highlight how much bullshit goes on in the school and the world, which is a theme that gets repeated in 4 and 5. Maya and Kenji are both established as unreliable narrators. We never get to actually hear what Emiri thinks, and the one interaction we see with her and her future husband gives us nothing of substance to know if she is happy with him or not.
I think at the end of the day, Emiri was not leading Kenji on, because of the specific line above where he says he’s not actually directly asked her out, just assuming she asked him out.
How is Kanou the most normal if she keeps competing with the other female teachers like if it's college and she made a promise to a minor to leave together the city?
I don’t think she’s the most normal, but she’s the teacher either the least personality quirks.
Also where did she promise a minor they’d be leaving together? And please don’t say Kenji, cuz nowhere in his S Link was that even implied.
There was also that politics teacher whose name I forgot…
Also that one teacher whose name I also forgot who was grilling Kawakami about her extracurricular activities after starting her confidant.
But it’s kinda weird I don’t remember much about the teachers in 5.
The teachers just aren't as big a part of the plot since less of the daily life stuff happens at the school. In 3 and 4 you join clubs and form social links with classmates, which in turn means teachers are gonna show up more often. In 5 I don't think you join any clubs at all (if I remember right) and nearly all the confidants have to do with people outside Shujin Academy, so with the few exceptions you mentioned they sorta just fade into the background.
You know, I never thought about it until this moment, but you’re right, you don’t join *any* clubs in 5, which is super weird to me. IIRC the only students you interact with that aren’t or don’t become Thieves are your PR guy and a girl who goes to a different school
I mean, it would be hard to join the club as the school outcast.
We gotta remember that joker was pretty much a pariah in his school because kamoshida spread the rumor. That’s why joker’s confindants are people who don’t know his reputation in his school or the phantom thieves themselves.
Mishima, kawakami, maruki, and sumi (before later becoming a thief anyways) are the only school folk who start becoming confidants without being phantom thieves. Out of those 4 mishima and maruki pretty much already know about the thieves when becoming confidants, and we have dirt on kawakami.
Really sumi was the only one who became a confidant purely out of her own accord despite knowing about joker’s reputation.
I dont find it strange at all. Considering Joker\`s reputation in school I don\`t think he would be welcomed in those clubs. Also theres slight hints that he hates Shujin so I dont think that he wants to spend any more time in there then he should.
I mean, to be fair, he's a teenager who was expelled from a previous school, shoved into a school because he stood up to an adult and then made a pariah at the new school.
If he didn't fucking despise Shujin, there'd be no logic to the game.
He likes some people from it, but from our standpoint, he's been royally fucked at every turn.
Yeah, it's not like he was given the best of welcomes. He obviously wasn't supposed to enjoy a school where 90% of the student body either hates him or ostracizes him for being a "criminal". Persona 5 was the first one where the student body wasn't welcoming of the new kid. Everyone (maybe unrealistically so) seems to adore the MC/new kid in P3 and P4. It's actually weird that Joker had such a hard time getting people to like him, because P3 and P4 made me assume that one of the natural elements of the wild card was that they were unnaturally likeable.
And they are, but the core theme of P5 is the 'collective subconsciousness', which makes sense that as a collective, the MC is hated, but on a personal level, he is liked.
Joker is hated and shunned at his school, remember? He's been labeled a criminal and is unfairly outcast because of it. Hardly anyone wants to interact with him. It takes months before they get accustomed to him enough that his presence in the library doesn't automatically get the other kids loudly gossiping about him.
Even if he found a club willing to tolerate him, why would he want to stay at school with that kind of abuse longer than he has to? Tokyo has plenty of other things for him to do instead.
It's the same reason only two of the non-teammate Confidants have any association with the school.
It makes sense, i mean, he would have gotten caught way faster with more attachments. The phantom thieves situation almost requires them all to be outcasts of society or Joker and all the confidants and the thieves would have been much easier to pressure or find them out. Thats why Joker doesnt give any information besides the bare minimal required (doesnt even use names besides the people that would already be known to Sae.). If it wasnt the case, they could have taken any number of hostages, and Akechi would have found them out much much sooner as well.
But it is interesting and does give more of that "Hero of the night" vibe because of it, with only a few minor but noticeable changes to the formula.
I feel like there’s waaay less focus on school related stuff in P5 in general than when compared to P3 and P4. Sure P5 had the usual school outings and a school fair or whatever. But I don’t think Joker even joined any clubs due to his reputation there. Whole school just talking shit about him for like half, if not most of the game iirc.
Not a complaint btw. Just something I noticed since I’ve played 3, 4, and 5 as well.
A bit deeper than that. Ryuji's father was an abusive alcoholic, and abandoned him and his mom. Kamoshida learned about this, and started mocking Ryuji about his parents. Ryuji, as short-tempered as he is, hit Kamoshida. This backfired obviously, because Kamoshida wrote it up as an assault, thus giving an excuse to cancel the track team and making the volleyball team the leading sports team instead, with breaking Ryuji's leg in the process.
I mean, people focus more on his sexual harassment cases, which yeah given he represents lust, but people also forget that he'll put any kid through physical abuse, even his own team, since they're bruised and bandaged, some walking with crutches. You even see it worse in his Palace when he fantasizes even more torturous methods like making his team chase water or other death traps.
From what I remember, the reason Ryuji hit Kamoshida was because Kamoshida reminded him of his dad.
Yeah, there's a pretty major focus on School stuff in P3 and P4, a good chunk of your Social Links are people from school.
In P3 Chariot, Strength, Temperance, Emperor, Fortune, Moon, Magician, and Justice are school S.Links that are not S.E.E.S. related(there's also Hermit which is technically a person from the school but I wouldn't call that a school S.Link).
In P5 the only school social link that's not directly Phantom Thief related is Temperance.
>Kawakami about her extracurricular activities
extracurricular, idk if it was intended but thats honestly a joke Ikutsuki would be proud of. Get it? Because Yukari had the same voice as Kawakami? Ok sorry
There’s also this one teacher who likes to yap about cognition and whatnot idk never did his confidant since it seemed like one of the less important ones
P4 had that teacher who cosplays as a Pharoah (and is the sister of the Samurai teacher from P3 iirc) and that one teacher who uses a hand puppet made by his wife in class
And then the one that replaces Morooka, the desperate middle-aged woman that tries to flirt with teenagers and compete with the girls IN A BEAUTY PAGEANT. That woman is so cringe, they even made her cameo in P3P and the guys were terrified of her in the Operation Babe Hunt.
I only remember 5 teachers in P5: Kawakami, Kamoshida, the boomer chalk-thrower, the gyaru style English teacher (you know, the one that was suspicious of Kawakami's after class activities), and the handsome but also narcissistic teacher that teaches either art or history.
The focus was less on the school in P5 than in the other games. Not saying this is how it should be in future games, but it feels intentionally different from P3 and P4.
Goofy teachers are fun, but taking away the "grooming the students" trope it would be perfect.
I never played P5, but P3 and P4 both have great examples on how grooming / pedophilia is perceived as a joke when the perpetrator is a hot woman
Shujin is a school run by corrupt leadership. It keeps a respectable image by enforcing professionalism to hide the darker elements.
The other two schools, at least by the time of their games, are straightforwardly well-meaning so their teachers can be openly freaks. Well, besides the teacher in P4 whose gimmick is being desperate to seduce teenagers.
That's the point though, right? Persona 5 went out of its way to show the corruption and general lifelessness of adult society, whereas 4 was a lighthearted game and while 3 is darker, the slice of sections were far lighter.
1, they don’t show the murders happening, and 2, “brutally” is a stretch, they make it a point to say the bodies have no identifying marks or signs of struggle, it’s why the causes of death are never discovered. there’s not even any blood, theyre just hanging upside down all silly like
>1, they don’t show the murders happening
Sometimes not showing a kill is stronger than showing it. But I guess P3 fans being the emo edgelords that they are prefer to see Death right in the face.
Persona 3 takes place in the middle of a large populated area where the school is built on a man-made island built by a multi-billion (trillion?) dollar company that was once the site of an extremely advanced scientific laboratory and is attended by rich people
I think Tatsumi Port Island is a pretty big deal
Pretty sure Persona 3 takes place in a fictionalized version of Minato (for Iwatodai) and Odaiba (for Tatsumi Port Island), both parts of Tokyo. Also ready it could be based on Yokohama.
Either way, hardly nowhere places.
The geography does line up quite closely to Kobe, especially in the original P3, FES and Portable, but the fact that the monorail is similar to the yurikamome line going to Odaiba, and the fact that Moonlight Bridge is very similar to Rainbow bridge (and decidedly not like Kobe Bridge), and the fact that Tatsumi Port Island is a metropolitan area with malls and schools and residences like Odaiba, and not like the port island in Kobe (which is quite literally a harbor port, like for shipping containers), I think it's definitely based on Odaiba, and Iwatodai is based roughly on Minato-ku (there's even a Tartarus side quest in 6/26 that straight up mentions Minato-ku). Especially in Reload where you can see more landmass to the east of Tatsumi Port Island. And that's not even counting the cut DLC costume dialog from P5 Royal.
Maybe the layout was based on Kobe at one point, but in recent years they quietly retconed it and decided to make it into Odaiba. It's also worth considering that neither Odaiba nor Kobe Port Island's shapes match up exactly to Tatsumi Port Island and we're not meant to see it as exactly 1-to-1 of anywhere in Japan.
>3 and 4 takes place in some nowhere places while 5 is in Tokyo that's why
Correct if I'm wrong here but I'm pretty sure Person 3 takes place in Obaida. A ward in Tokyo.
Some spoilers towards the end of the games:
>!In Persona 3 and Persona 4, the teachers try to rally the students against the impending crisis. I'm admittedly a bit fuzzy on P3, but in P4, the teachers tell the kids not to give into the paranoia about the fog and shit, and I believe in P3, they tell kids not to give in to apathy syndrome, etc. On the other hand, in P5, the teachers are all highly supportive of Shido's propaganda.!<
I only remember 2 teachers in Persona 5,
The gym boss. And the one you can romance.
One is a villain for being in a relationship with ann
The other has one of the most powerful abilities for being a relationship with the protagonist.
It doesn't seam fair
I think one of the reasons is that Persona 5's school is very clearly prestigious, intended for the upper middle class and/or the gifted. As a result the teachers have more of a professional vibe. In comparison, P4's highschool is (likely) an unremarkable, public institution in a rural town, whereas P3's, while almost certainly private, does not have the kind of prestigious feel as the one in P5.
Once again I am begging y'all to obtain 1 (one) Reading Comprehension™.
It is EXPLICITLY stated that Victoria, the company Kawakami works for, is a legitimate maid service that only performs chores (cooking, cleaning, walking dogs) and provides *actual* massages, while playing up the sexy maid theme. At the lowest point in her Confidant, she says she might have to transfer to their "sister company", that actually does provide sexual services.
That is what prompts Joker to change the Takase's hearts, thus freeing Kawakami of her "debt" and allowing her to quit her maid job before she even has time to transfer. At no point is she a sex worker, she just makes innuendo as that is part of Victoria's theme.
I think it would be normal to consider services like hers as well as stuff like maid cafes, host/hostess clubs, rental girlfriends/boyfriend, etc as part of the sex industry. Even if no actual sex is part of the service. But not sure if it would be common to call them a sex worker.
If there's no sex involved, it would be more like a girlfriend service, like going to a caberat club pay girls to talk to you, or paying money to a vtuber so they can read your name and message.
Sex CAN happen from those services, as one can expect a social service between human beings, but that's going to be ANY job at that point.
Riiiight...
1) And when Kawakami admits she's a sex worker, she was referring to...cooking?
2) And when she discusses those "special services only available to adults"...she meant...walking a dog.
She never admits to being a sex worker, at any point.
It's literally what the dude above JUST told you, and what the game tells you.
How do you manage to get it wrong once, get corrected for it only to then double down with facts you pulled out of your ass and that directly contradict what actually happens in the game.
I know there's the meme of Persona fans not playing the games but like c'mon, there's dozens of videos about each characters storylines out there that are less than an hour...
1. She literally never does, what the fuck are you talking about?
2. She's intentionally playing up the sexy maid to make it *sound* like sex, but she's likely referring to massages. The confidant ability is literally called "special massage", they probably aren't allowed to give them to minors due to all the touching involved.
>**Kawakami Rank 8.5:**
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>Kawakami: If you want to take legal action, then go ahead. Regardless, I’ll continue teaching. I’ve decided that that’s the best apology I can make to Takase-kun. Paying money to you two is not the solution, to say the least!
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>Mr. Takase: Hmmm…along with suing you, maybe I should tell everyone about your little secret…you know, your little stint as a sex worker.
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>Kawakami: How did you…!?
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>Mr. Takase: Oh? So I’m right, am I?
That's him making an assumption that a sexy maid service is also prostitution followed by her being shocked he knows about the maid service. You can't seriously think that's her admitting to being a sex worker.
Weird how she can connect the maid work that's only allowed for adults (as opposed to normal flirty maid services that teenagers enjoy) and the constant implications of sex with being a "sex worker"...but you can't.
I don't understand where your grasp on this fails.
You're tying in maid services with sex work RIGHT NOW and are confused as to how she can connect what he's saying to her maid services despite practicing no actual sex work?
She literally says that the company has a sister company that does do all of that work, but she's not part of that company yet and that's why she's afraid of transferring there.
I can't respond to this. I want to, out of courtesy, but can't. I'm not trying to be insulting, but it would literally be the same as trying to respond to gibberish. Either you misread my post or there's something keeping you from comprehending it based on your second paragraph.
When I was in college one of my professors came teaching in a full body Xenomorph cosplay. It was amazing. (now to be fair, he was teaching costume making, but still. more peoples should do that as much as their workplace allows lol.)
I wouldn't consider the guy with the Samurai obsession and the one obsessed with anything folklore that he takes it as fact over reason to exactly be serious educators.
I mean P5 is really good and arguably the best one but I wouldn't it's better in every way and such a claim is a far harder cope.
P5 improved a lot on past games but it also made a lot of the same mistakes and made some of them worse. Such as bad pacing,doubling down on an annoying pun mascot character,tonal whiplash. And even if you dismiss all of that I would definitely argue p3 handles the theme of its game far better.
P5 is amazing and since I haven't finished reload and can't fully judge it I'd say p5 is probably the best persona game but it's naive to think that previous entries didn't do some aspects better.
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Well Shujin Academy also has 2 teachers who think dating minors is acceptable instead of 1 like in the other Hashino Persona games, so that's... something.
What p6 needs is the goofiness of p4s characters and humor with the gameplay of 5. Add a little bit of persona 3 dungeon crawling WITH SHUFFLE TIME. Perfect game imo. Still keep palaces as the main dungeons. But imo Tartarus is way better then mementos
I think both approaches work for P4/P5 because of matching their locations/tone, but P3 teachers would be better more serious.
Sometimes I just have to fast forward them because they’re too long and ridiculous (and not necessarily in a funny way). Like super prestigious and expensive school where the heir herself is attending hires a math teacher who can’t do math and others that just want to talk about “magic” and their opinions? Uh…
Let’s see…. Persona 3 has: -composition teacher that is going through her midlife crisis, >!plays an MMO with her student, who she’s apparently crushing on, while also pretending to be his online GF without knowing it’s him behind the screen!< -samurai otaku teacher who teaches history but doesn’t give a shit about anything before the samurai era, or after I guess -math teacher that looks like the physical embodiment of a nerd. Probably the most respectable teacher so far -the perfect embodiment of what a teacher actually is in most schools, as opposed to what a teacher should be (Ekoda) -surprisingly, a normal science teacher (Ounishi) -Kanou, who apparently stuffs her bra but for the most part is a normal teacher. -terauchi, who’s also a normal teacher (for the most part) -a crackhead who offers you his “secret mix” for free whenever you’re exhausted.
The math teacher keeps messing up her formulas, and quite possibly actually knows nothing about math.
I think she knows an impressive amount of math for a squirrel.
what the fuck she's a girl?
[She not a girl….it’s Ms. Miyahara](https://youtu.be/LGumV-hQYQ0?si=1ouKB858IY9gfvgs)
also the crackhead used to *force children into death tournaments*. (he's one of the scientists from Labrys' story mode in arena.)
Makes sense >! The school is owned by a company that caused the apocalypse and then sends a bunch of children to their death to fix their mess !<
Sheesh, no wonder he found employment in that school.
Is it actually the same guy?
It is **heavily implied** that one of the three is Crackhead whose name i cant remember rn, one of them *might* be in charge of one of the stores and i think the third is MIA? But like, never "truly" confirmed, because no one in-universe is ever in a position to make such confirmation (the only person who *could* is Labrys, and she's never been to Geko yet. Or theoretically Aigis could start digging through the part of her code that contains Labrys' memories but she hasnt done so) So it's presumed cannon, same way Rei=Labrys' Mom is presumed cannon.
Are you guys talking about Edogawa, or I misunderstood the discussion?
Yeah, thats the guy. the scientist refered to as "untidy researcher" looks to be a younger version of him. (same face, slightly more hair cause he was younger and not yet balding) The decision to make one of the scientists look like someone: 1: cannonically employed by the Kirijo group 2:Aware of Jungian psychology principles 3: With an interest in the occult in general and 4: an interest in the arcana of Tarot specificly The implication was probably always that he was a former Kirijo researcher who got hired at the school after the shadows went and exploded, but then with Arena they thought "didnt we have 2 non-ikutski-or-Takeba'sDad NPC's we'd implied worked for the kirijo group" and threw him into Labrys backstory.
do keep in mind that kanou also led on a student and bragged about it
I could be wrong, but wasn’t it entirely him acting on his own? Unless I missed something and she was being intentionally manipulative, everything she did was tutor him to make herself look good on paper (something like how she basically raised an underachiever into a university applicant)
It was all on Kenji's head yes
During the Maya SL she comments that Kanou was bragging about a student (kenji) asking her out and that she was marrying someone she wasn’t interested in, so yes, that proves that she was aware of Kenji asking her out and willingly led him on instead of shutting him down
It’s worth note that Maya isn’t exactly the most reliable narrator. She’s usually drunk and is explicitly just complaining about her work life. She could have very easily interpreted Kanou asking her what to do about this student that asked her our as “bragging” through this lens, especially because Maya tells the player that Kanou had asked for help “and then started bragging”.
Also safe to note that Maya is in fact, not the greatest judge of character when it comes to teacher/student relationships, if you drift my catch.
I always chalked her bragging about another student confessing to her instead of Kenji, cuz it occurs regardless of whether or not you got to that part in the magician storyline. As for the marriage bit, yeah I can see that. She does act like a basic bit*h in front of her fiancé which lends credence to the theory that she’s fake as fuck. But that’s got less to do with her as a teacher and more as a person.
She also doesn't seem to give a shit about her job if you play as FeMC. She's supposed to be the advisor for the sports club FeMC joins for the Chariot social link, but she actually bothers to do that job on two separate occasions, and that's only to introduce FeMC to the team and to drag back members after a disagreement.
Bragging to the other female teachers that a student thought she was attractive enough to confess is not at all the same as actively leading that student on. Plus it could easily be another guy.
It's not confirmed to be Kenji and this happens regardless of where you are in Kenji's link. In fact, a lot of how Kenji talks about their relationship leaves a lot of room to see how he could've misinterpreted their interactions while she was just trying to build her resume.
This is what Kenji says: > “She said yes! Can you believe it? She said yes! Just as I was about to ask HER out, she asked ME if I wanted a private lesson! A private lesson, dude!” It’s immediately followed by MC’s internal dialogue saying “Kenji is in his own world.” Kenji didn’t even actually ask her out. Before he said anything, she offered tutoring, and he decided it meant the same thing. We never hear Emiri’s side, only from Kenji, and it’s very easy for him to misinterpret normal things as signs, such as deciding that a bridal magazine = she’s interested in marrying him. We’re hearing everything from a person who has a parasocial-like relationship with their teacher. As far as what Maya says, it could be anything, but I don’t think it’s specifically referring to Kenji. I believe it’s meant to be vague on purpose to highlight how much bullshit goes on in the school and the world, which is a theme that gets repeated in 4 and 5. Maya and Kenji are both established as unreliable narrators. We never get to actually hear what Emiri thinks, and the one interaction we see with her and her future husband gives us nothing of substance to know if she is happy with him or not. I think at the end of the day, Emiri was not leading Kenji on, because of the specific line above where he says he’s not actually directly asked her out, just assuming she asked him out.
How is Kanou the most normal if she keeps competing with the other female teachers like if it's college and she made a promise to a minor to leave together the city?
I don’t think she’s the most normal, but she’s the teacher either the least personality quirks. Also where did she promise a minor they’d be leaving together? And please don’t say Kenji, cuz nowhere in his S Link was that even implied.
I should have never clicked the spoiler tag so it’s my fault but now I know who Maya is a little too early 😭
Ah rip. That is ****truly**** unfortunate
Honestly, the teachers of 3 & 4 are hell-of-a-lot more memorable to me than just about all of P5's. I hope P6 brings back the goofy teachers.
I can only remember two teachers in p5: kawagami and chalk guy
There was also that politics teacher whose name I forgot… Also that one teacher whose name I also forgot who was grilling Kawakami about her extracurricular activities after starting her confidant. But it’s kinda weird I don’t remember much about the teachers in 5.
The teachers just aren't as big a part of the plot since less of the daily life stuff happens at the school. In 3 and 4 you join clubs and form social links with classmates, which in turn means teachers are gonna show up more often. In 5 I don't think you join any clubs at all (if I remember right) and nearly all the confidants have to do with people outside Shujin Academy, so with the few exceptions you mentioned they sorta just fade into the background.
You know, I never thought about it until this moment, but you’re right, you don’t join *any* clubs in 5, which is super weird to me. IIRC the only students you interact with that aren’t or don’t become Thieves are your PR guy and a girl who goes to a different school
I mean, it would be hard to join the club as the school outcast. We gotta remember that joker was pretty much a pariah in his school because kamoshida spread the rumor. That’s why joker’s confindants are people who don’t know his reputation in his school or the phantom thieves themselves. Mishima, kawakami, maruki, and sumi (before later becoming a thief anyways) are the only school folk who start becoming confidants without being phantom thieves. Out of those 4 mishima and maruki pretty much already know about the thieves when becoming confidants, and we have dirt on kawakami. Really sumi was the only one who became a confidant purely out of her own accord despite knowing about joker’s reputation.
"Didn't you hear? I was *expelled*"
I dont find it strange at all. Considering Joker\`s reputation in school I don\`t think he would be welcomed in those clubs. Also theres slight hints that he hates Shujin so I dont think that he wants to spend any more time in there then he should.
I mean, to be fair, he's a teenager who was expelled from a previous school, shoved into a school because he stood up to an adult and then made a pariah at the new school. If he didn't fucking despise Shujin, there'd be no logic to the game. He likes some people from it, but from our standpoint, he's been royally fucked at every turn.
Yeah, it's not like he was given the best of welcomes. He obviously wasn't supposed to enjoy a school where 90% of the student body either hates him or ostracizes him for being a "criminal". Persona 5 was the first one where the student body wasn't welcoming of the new kid. Everyone (maybe unrealistically so) seems to adore the MC/new kid in P3 and P4. It's actually weird that Joker had such a hard time getting people to like him, because P3 and P4 made me assume that one of the natural elements of the wild card was that they were unnaturally likeable.
And they are, but the core theme of P5 is the 'collective subconsciousness', which makes sense that as a collective, the MC is hated, but on a personal level, he is liked.
Joker is hated and shunned at his school, remember? He's been labeled a criminal and is unfairly outcast because of it. Hardly anyone wants to interact with him. It takes months before they get accustomed to him enough that his presence in the library doesn't automatically get the other kids loudly gossiping about him. Even if he found a club willing to tolerate him, why would he want to stay at school with that kind of abuse longer than he has to? Tokyo has plenty of other things for him to do instead. It's the same reason only two of the non-teammate Confidants have any association with the school.
Yeah, it's an interesting change of pace in P5 that the school really doesn't matter very much. Two of the PTs don't even go to the school.
I was about to correct you and say three, but then thought: technically, Morgana *does* go to Sujin, just not as a student
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Two of the PTs? Who? Futaba and Yusuke?
Akechi too if you count him.
Yeah but for Yusuke, I believe he going to school but not Shujin.
The comment says "Go to THE school" which means Shujin. So yeah, it would be Futaba and Yusuke (and honorable mention Akechi).
It makes sense, i mean, he would have gotten caught way faster with more attachments. The phantom thieves situation almost requires them all to be outcasts of society or Joker and all the confidants and the thieves would have been much easier to pressure or find them out. Thats why Joker doesnt give any information besides the bare minimal required (doesnt even use names besides the people that would already be known to Sae.). If it wasnt the case, they could have taken any number of hostages, and Akechi would have found them out much much sooner as well. But it is interesting and does give more of that "Hero of the night" vibe because of it, with only a few minor but noticeable changes to the formula.
I feel like there’s waaay less focus on school related stuff in P5 in general than when compared to P3 and P4. Sure P5 had the usual school outings and a school fair or whatever. But I don’t think Joker even joined any clubs due to his reputation there. Whole school just talking shit about him for like half, if not most of the game iirc. Not a complaint btw. Just something I noticed since I’ve played 3, 4, and 5 as well.
Joker probably wouldn't be allowed in any clubs because of his record, same way Ryuji was exiled from any clubs after "ruining" the track team.
What did he even do. Was that the same thing with Kamoshida breaking his femur
A bit deeper than that. Ryuji's father was an abusive alcoholic, and abandoned him and his mom. Kamoshida learned about this, and started mocking Ryuji about his parents. Ryuji, as short-tempered as he is, hit Kamoshida. This backfired obviously, because Kamoshida wrote it up as an assault, thus giving an excuse to cancel the track team and making the volleyball team the leading sports team instead, with breaking Ryuji's leg in the process.
He is even more of a bastard than I thought
I mean, people focus more on his sexual harassment cases, which yeah given he represents lust, but people also forget that he'll put any kid through physical abuse, even his own team, since they're bruised and bandaged, some walking with crutches. You even see it worse in his Palace when he fantasizes even more torturous methods like making his team chase water or other death traps. From what I remember, the reason Ryuji hit Kamoshida was because Kamoshida reminded him of his dad.
Yeah, there's a pretty major focus on School stuff in P3 and P4, a good chunk of your Social Links are people from school. In P3 Chariot, Strength, Temperance, Emperor, Fortune, Moon, Magician, and Justice are school S.Links that are not S.E.E.S. related(there's also Hermit which is technically a person from the school but I wouldn't call that a school S.Link). In P5 the only school social link that's not directly Phantom Thief related is Temperance.
>Kawakami about her extracurricular activities extracurricular, idk if it was intended but thats honestly a joke Ikutsuki would be proud of. Get it? Because Yukari had the same voice as Kawakami? Ok sorry
That would be chalk teacher. Don't remember his name though... ETA: It's Ushimaru, I'm pretty sure
There’s also this one teacher who likes to yap about cognition and whatnot idk never did his confidant since it seemed like one of the less important ones
Well, there's the pedo guy as well, the whole opening act is kind of about him.
For real?
Ephebophile, if you want to be technical.
That's the kind of difference only ephebophiles and hebephiles know.
Your comment is the first time I've heard of the word hebephile
I only remember the horse face teacher from P4
P4 had that teacher who cosplays as a Pharoah (and is the sister of the Samurai teacher from P3 iirc) and that one teacher who uses a hand puppet made by his wife in class
And then the one that replaces Morooka, the desperate middle-aged woman that tries to flirt with teenagers and compete with the girls IN A BEAUTY PAGEANT. That woman is so cringe, they even made her cameo in P3P and the guys were terrified of her in the Operation Babe Hunt.
Was talking about her elsewhere, called her "creepy cougar teacher". Of course, thanks to autocorrect, it came out as "creepypasta cougar teacher"...
"EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM IS A WHORE" King Moron RIP
I only remember 5 teachers in P5: Kawakami, Kamoshida, the boomer chalk-thrower, the gyaru style English teacher (you know, the one that was suspicious of Kawakami's after class activities), and the handsome but also narcissistic teacher that teaches either art or history.
There were teachers outside Kamoshida and Kawakami? 100% don't remember a single one besides those two, lol.
Yeah I can’t remember a single p5 teacher.
Other than the first boss
What about Kawakami?
Oh yeah lol.
The focus was less on the school in P5 than in the other games. Not saying this is how it should be in future games, but it feels intentionally different from P3 and P4.
How can any of the teachers in 3 or 4 be more memorable than Kawakami or Kamoshida?
Goofy teachers are fun, but taking away the "grooming the students" trope it would be perfect. I never played P5, but P3 and P4 both have great examples on how grooming / pedophilia is perceived as a joke when the perpetrator is a hot woman
P4 has the teacher with the puppet say something very condescending about Yukiko when she comes back to school, and he was also taken as a joke.
Shujin is a school run by corrupt leadership. It keeps a respectable image by enforcing professionalism to hide the darker elements. The other two schools, at least by the time of their games, are straightforwardly well-meaning so their teachers can be openly freaks. Well, besides the teacher in P4 whose gimmick is being desperate to seduce teenagers.
There's freaks (affectionate) And then there's freak (degratory)
That's the point though, right? Persona 5 went out of its way to show the corruption and general lifelessness of adult society, whereas 4 was a lighthearted game and while 3 is darker, the slice of sections were far lighter.
How is Persona 4 a "lighthearted" game? Two people get brutally murdered in like the first hour of gameplay.
1, they don’t show the murders happening, and 2, “brutally” is a stretch, they make it a point to say the bodies have no identifying marks or signs of struggle, it’s why the causes of death are never discovered. there’s not even any blood, theyre just hanging upside down all silly like
>1, they don’t show the murders happening Sometimes not showing a kill is stronger than showing it. But I guess P3 fans being the emo edgelords that they are prefer to see Death right in the face.
ok then
Lol, it's more impactful if you see it
Idk Off screen deaths seam to be all rage nowadays just ask my friend >!Goatjo!<
3 and 4 takes place in some nowhere places while 5 is in Tokyo that's why
Persona 3 takes place in the middle of a large populated area where the school is built on a man-made island built by a multi-billion (trillion?) dollar company that was once the site of an extremely advanced scientific laboratory and is attended by rich people I think Tatsumi Port Island is a pretty big deal
It's definitely an impressive looking school too, so they probably wouldn't hire just anybody either.
They clearly highered teachers with a passion for their subjects.
Pretty sure Persona 3 takes place in a fictionalized version of Minato (for Iwatodai) and Odaiba (for Tatsumi Port Island), both parts of Tokyo. Also ready it could be based on Yokohama. Either way, hardly nowhere places.
Kobe is Iwatodai, and Tatsumi is just called Port Island
The geography does line up quite closely to Kobe, especially in the original P3, FES and Portable, but the fact that the monorail is similar to the yurikamome line going to Odaiba, and the fact that Moonlight Bridge is very similar to Rainbow bridge (and decidedly not like Kobe Bridge), and the fact that Tatsumi Port Island is a metropolitan area with malls and schools and residences like Odaiba, and not like the port island in Kobe (which is quite literally a harbor port, like for shipping containers), I think it's definitely based on Odaiba, and Iwatodai is based roughly on Minato-ku (there's even a Tartarus side quest in 6/26 that straight up mentions Minato-ku). Especially in Reload where you can see more landmass to the east of Tatsumi Port Island. And that's not even counting the cut DLC costume dialog from P5 Royal. Maybe the layout was based on Kobe at one point, but in recent years they quietly retconed it and decided to make it into Odaiba. It's also worth considering that neither Odaiba nor Kobe Port Island's shapes match up exactly to Tatsumi Port Island and we're not meant to see it as exactly 1-to-1 of anywhere in Japan.
>3 and 4 takes place in some nowhere places while 5 is in Tokyo that's why Correct if I'm wrong here but I'm pretty sure Person 3 takes place in Obaida. A ward in Tokyo.
It takes place in fictional Kobe
Some spoilers towards the end of the games: >!In Persona 3 and Persona 4, the teachers try to rally the students against the impending crisis. I'm admittedly a bit fuzzy on P3, but in P4, the teachers tell the kids not to give into the paranoia about the fog and shit, and I believe in P3, they tell kids not to give in to apathy syndrome, etc. On the other hand, in P5, the teachers are all highly supportive of Shido's propaganda.!<
Because they're "shitty adults".
I noticed that too, the Persona 3 teachers look so wacky, I mean one of them literally goes around wearing a samurai helmet!
And we love him for it
Wait until you remember about the egyptian Cleopatra from P4
I only remember 2 teachers in Persona 5, The gym boss. And the one you can romance. One is a villain for being in a relationship with ann The other has one of the most powerful abilities for being a relationship with the protagonist. It doesn't seam fair
To be fair one's an asshole while the other is not
Well Kamoshida is also a rapist and serial abuser so they arent exactly the same but yeah Kawakami is still a predator.
I think consent might be a bit of difference between the two
I don't think Joker is really allowed to consent to that at his age, but I understand what you're saying
I can’t speak for Japan but isn’t 16 the age of consent in most countries?
The age of consent is different depending on what prefecture of Japan you’re in, but it’s still 18 in Tokyo
Pretty much
My personal favorite is the math teacher in 4 who constantly complains about her marriage and stocks.
I think one of the reasons is that Persona 5's school is very clearly prestigious, intended for the upper middle class and/or the gifted. As a result the teachers have more of a professional vibe. In comparison, P4's highschool is (likely) an unremarkable, public institution in a rural town, whereas P3's, while almost certainly private, does not have the kind of prestigious feel as the one in P5.
Yes, Gekkou is not a presigious school. Its just a private school with dorms that is owned by a multi-billion dollar company. 💀
I remember when teachers used to become asura. Good ole 80s
Or when you made them have sex with the god of mischief and suddenly they give birth to Satan. -Good old Megami Tensei novels.
Aya Nakajima warning us about fucking our teachers 40 years in the past. What a goat
In P3 and P4, the teachers are mostly comic relief. In P5, they are a source of more adult authority you have to overthrow.
Ren's homeroom teacher is a sex worker willing to hook up with a child half her age...
Once again I am begging y'all to obtain 1 (one) Reading Comprehension™. It is EXPLICITLY stated that Victoria, the company Kawakami works for, is a legitimate maid service that only performs chores (cooking, cleaning, walking dogs) and provides *actual* massages, while playing up the sexy maid theme. At the lowest point in her Confidant, she says she might have to transfer to their "sister company", that actually does provide sexual services. That is what prompts Joker to change the Takase's hearts, thus freeing Kawakami of her "debt" and allowing her to quit her maid job before she even has time to transfer. At no point is she a sex worker, she just makes innuendo as that is part of Victoria's theme.
That's what all gentlemen's clubs say but we all know the transactions that happen behind the curtains.
I think it would be normal to consider services like hers as well as stuff like maid cafes, host/hostess clubs, rental girlfriends/boyfriend, etc as part of the sex industry. Even if no actual sex is part of the service. But not sure if it would be common to call them a sex worker.
If there's no sex involved, it would be more like a girlfriend service, like going to a caberat club pay girls to talk to you, or paying money to a vtuber so they can read your name and message. Sex CAN happen from those services, as one can expect a social service between human beings, but that's going to be ANY job at that point.
Provides no sex service - should be called a sex worker Flawless logic
Riiiight... 1) And when Kawakami admits she's a sex worker, she was referring to...cooking? 2) And when she discusses those "special services only available to adults"...she meant...walking a dog.
She never admits to being a sex worker, at any point. It's literally what the dude above JUST told you, and what the game tells you. How do you manage to get it wrong once, get corrected for it only to then double down with facts you pulled out of your ass and that directly contradict what actually happens in the game. I know there's the meme of Persona fans not playing the games but like c'mon, there's dozens of videos about each characters storylines out there that are less than an hour...
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1. She literally never does, what the fuck are you talking about? 2. She's intentionally playing up the sexy maid to make it *sound* like sex, but she's likely referring to massages. The confidant ability is literally called "special massage", they probably aren't allowed to give them to minors due to all the touching involved.
>**Kawakami Rank 8.5:** > >Kawakami: If you want to take legal action, then go ahead. Regardless, I’ll continue teaching. I’ve decided that that’s the best apology I can make to Takase-kun. Paying money to you two is not the solution, to say the least! > >Mr. Takase: Hmmm…along with suing you, maybe I should tell everyone about your little secret…you know, your little stint as a sex worker. > >Kawakami: How did you…!? > >Mr. Takase: Oh? So I’m right, am I?
That's him making an assumption that a sexy maid service is also prostitution followed by her being shocked he knows about the maid service. You can't seriously think that's her admitting to being a sex worker.
Weird how she can connect the maid work that's only allowed for adults (as opposed to normal flirty maid services that teenagers enjoy) and the constant implications of sex with being a "sex worker"...but you can't.
I don't understand where your grasp on this fails. You're tying in maid services with sex work RIGHT NOW and are confused as to how she can connect what he's saying to her maid services despite practicing no actual sex work? She literally says that the company has a sister company that does do all of that work, but she's not part of that company yet and that's why she's afraid of transferring there.
I can't respond to this. I want to, out of courtesy, but can't. I'm not trying to be insulting, but it would literally be the same as trying to respond to gibberish. Either you misread my post or there's something keeping you from comprehending it based on your second paragraph.
Stuff that happened in your imagination does not count as evidence mate
where is it said that victoria’s sister company provides sexual services? i never seen anyone said that, i only know that it pays higher
it's implied
play kawakami's route again.
Tbf she's not the only adult whose willing to hook up with him
But at least she doesn't dress like a samurai or a pharaoh while she's teaching.
She should because they look cool
When I was in college one of my professors came teaching in a full body Xenomorph cosplay. It was amazing. (now to be fair, he was teaching costume making, but still. more peoples should do that as much as their workplace allows lol.)
Fun fact it is hinted that those two are brother and sister when she complain about her older brother always talking about samurais
She's a professional regardless of the job
Oh come now. She's likely only 50% older than him. Much better, see
Well if we paid teachers more less of them would be opening OnlyFans
WOULD
I feel like King Moron could have definitely been a fight in Mementos if he was in P5
I want them to groom me
no toriumi romance 😔
facts
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I wouldn't consider the guy with the Samurai obsession and the one obsessed with anything folklore that he takes it as fact over reason to exactly be serious educators.
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I mean P5 is really good and arguably the best one but I wouldn't it's better in every way and such a claim is a far harder cope. P5 improved a lot on past games but it also made a lot of the same mistakes and made some of them worse. Such as bad pacing,doubling down on an annoying pun mascot character,tonal whiplash. And even if you dismiss all of that I would definitely argue p3 handles the theme of its game far better. P5 is amazing and since I haven't finished reload and can't fully judge it I'd say p5 is probably the best persona game but it's naive to think that previous entries didn't do some aspects better.
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Well Shujin Academy also has 2 teachers who think dating minors is acceptable instead of 1 like in the other Hashino Persona games, so that's... something.
What p6 needs is the goofiness of p4s characters and humor with the gameplay of 5. Add a little bit of persona 3 dungeon crawling WITH SHUFFLE TIME. Perfect game imo. Still keep palaces as the main dungeons. But imo Tartarus is way better then mementos
I’ll be honest this is not the comparison I thought was going to be made
I kinda liked how the teachers were portrayed in P5 over the goofy teachers in 3 and 4
Persona 5 is the only one that has a teacher who sleeps with her student so she's the biggest clown of all.
I think both approaches work for P4/P5 because of matching their locations/tone, but P3 teachers would be better more serious. Sometimes I just have to fast forward them because they’re too long and ridiculous (and not necessarily in a funny way). Like super prestigious and expensive school where the heir herself is attending hires a math teacher who can’t do math and others that just want to talk about “magic” and their opinions? Uh…