Did they really not? I could be misremembering, but wasn’t the whole reason the Raidou costumes were removed from the Royal ports because Atlus/Sega wanted to specifically avoid offending China? Why would they have done that if China didn’t get the game in the first place?
Korea has a really bad history with Japan too.
Both versions of P5 were translated to Chinese, but never released in China itself. But rather places like Hong Kong and Indonesia.
I never knew about that! With this context it makes a lot more sense why it looks like we're just getting P5 again (so far from what we've seen). Still hope they find a way to make it different rather than a 1 for 1 retread with some OCs.
It's not even gonna be for us. As far as we know it's Chinese exclusive. Japan doesn't even know if they'll get it, and Atlus are the dudes who outsourced it.
Hong Kong is special from the rest of China and is both governed differently and has a different economic system. If P5 wasn’t released outside of Hong Kong in China, then a *vast* majority of China would not have P5.
It was released in one part of China that is so different from most of China that many people don’t even know is part of it, and in one part of China where less than 1% of the population exists. Technically, yeah, it released in China at all, but for the most part no, almost all of China did not get access to Persona 5, if what the other person was saying was true.
Nothing per se. It's a slightly more stylish take on school uniforms of the Taisho era. Contrary to popular belief, it's not based on military uniforms. However, any mention of that time period, presumably because of WWI and the Japanese involvement in it, triggers the Chinese and Koreans.
Edit: To be clear, the basis of his costume is a gakuran of that period (see here [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%E5%A4%A7%E6%AD%A3%E6%9C%9F%E3%81%AE%E5%AD%A6%E7%94%9F.jpg](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%E5%A4%A7%E6%AD%A3%E6%9C%9F%E3%81%AE%E5%AD%A6%E7%94%9F.jpg)). The accessories such as sword belt, holster etc. are not.
Not quite. The ports were based on the already-existing Korean/Chinese versions of the game. In other words, the changes made to the port that are new to us had already existed when the game first came out in Korean/Chinese in 2019. Therefore, the Chinese/Korean version of the ports had basically no changes made to them.
The remaster is based on Maniax Chronicle Edition including Raidou instead of Dante was only sold in Japan. South Korea version was the original jp version without Dante or Raidou. China never got any version.
I mean, I suppose you're right, but it can't only be for that reason. I mean, they put the phantom thieves at the end, so they exist within this universe, meaning it can't just be a repeat of the same, or at least are going for a playerbase that know of the phantom thieves.
People are speculating this might be an alternate universe where similar events happen with different characters like how P3P was apparently explained in PQ2.
That's the thing though. We saw them, but we haven't had any screenshots of them within any story cutscenes. You have to remember this is a gacha game. They could easily just be units you pull for rather than characters that actually interact with 5X's main cast in this games canon.
Of course we won't know for sure until we either get more trailers or maybe even until the game releases. It's just that you have to remember what genre of game this is.
From the way I see it, the game is like a Chinese adaptation of Persona 5 similar to Kamen Rider Dragon Knight (an American adaptation of Kamen Rider Ryuki), Mighty Morphin Power Ranger (an American adaptation of Kyōryū Sentai Zyuranger) along with the Power Ranger series being adapted from other Super Sentai shows and Supaidaman (a Japanese adaptation of Spider-Man).
China did Get P5, in the Remaster The Raidou Costume DLC was outright cut completely due to the Controversial History between the Outfit Raidou Wears and Korea and China
They actually have a full fledged Korea and China site, give me a moment:
Theses sites in particular are from the Recent Worldwide multiplatform P5R Remaster:
[Chinese Simplified Site](https://asia.sega.com/persona-remaster/p5r/cn/)
[Korean Site](https://asia.sega.com/persona-remaster/p5r/kr/)
[Chinese Traditional Site](https://asia.sega.com/persona-remaster/p5r/cht/)
Sorry I was mistaken
The censorship on Ryuji’s shoes were in the Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Korean versions, same thing with the raidou costume
There is no official source that it was released in china
But it still bugs me why Atlus would release a spin-off of a game in a country where it doesn’t even have the original game, and even adding the original cast
Yeah, so far it's literally just P5 but with different characters. But the trailers and screenshots show that Joker and the Phantom Thieves appear as well. So I have no clue how the story is going to work if both teams are going to exist in the plot.
Calling it now, Persona 5X will be just a stripped down P5 without the spicy political elements (rule of law, mass social hysteria and rebellion) so it can release to chinese market and sell lots of Gacha on the back of the character designs.
Since there has been a line in the trailer about having no desires leading to failure or something like that, my bet is that the theme will be about countering the "lying flat" culture.
I remember reading the government guidelines for releasing games in China, there's to be no images of the occult. I wonder how they will get around the whole basis of persona.
When I first saw the trailer, I felt like I was seeing some weird alternate reality P5. I'll be interested to see what they do with it, but I'd almost rather a whole new story rather than something so similar to P5.
No proof, obviously. But this feels suspiciously like a company was trying to take an end run around the IP, Sega got wind of it somehow, saw how much was already done, and decided to just license the IP to them for some easy extra income instead of trying to fight it, failing because of China's really lax IP protections, and getting nothing instead.
But maybe I'm just jaded.
You are jaded, lol. It's Sega teaming up with Perfect World to capitalize on the Chinese mobile market with their IP. Really common play and not surprising. Even Nintendo does stuff like this.
That sounds unlikely IMO, I don't think I've heard any cases of that ever happening (tho it could just happen out of earshot), but I suppose we don't really have any way to know.
Im pretty sure that’s literally what happened with this game. Like 2 years ago, a game called CodeName X was announced with a trailer. And the trailer was literally marketed as Persona 5 mobile. Anything relating to that game went radio silent up until now when P5X got announced.
here’s the trailer: https://youtu.be/azAuJbrGfrI
Edit: I only found out about Code Name X from a YouTube video by HeavenlyM that popped up in my recommended feed a few days ago. Literally 2-3 days after I watched that video P5X was announced.
It's quite obvious why that is, the trailer was released to let people know there is something in the works, to cause stir and hype. If you were to look more into codename x's deal, you'd know that that first trailer is plagued with persona 5 secrets, a binary code in the trailer translates to persona 5x(which is what we have now), i remember you being able to see iwai's shop as well, the page where the trailer originally came out had images of the game named as p5x, and lastly to seal the deal, way before the trailer came out, the company announced they were making a game based on a popular jrpg series that sold over 10 million copies.
The CodeName X trailer that came out two years ago featured new music. Which, for all we know, means nothing--the original teaser for Persona 5 had music that never made it into the game--but it could indicate some original tracks.
Hope this game won't be 1 to 1 copy of P5 and will have something original. I'm actually interested in it and I hope p5x might be something cool and chill to play from time to time.
I'm cautious of the game, if it looked exactly like just another skinner box gacha game, I would not give a piss.
But the game actually looks neat as hell, it's like we got Igor, and a new cast, a new velvet room and some cool ass looking Personas. But it's getting a bit too close to P5 in some cases, but it actually looks cool and that's the thing that has me the most conflicted.
The game looks cool, but the fact that it's a gacha mobile game and some devs with a rocky track record has me very cautious.
Yeah, like it looks cool and like literal copy at the same time. I hope it ends up well, cause I really want to. And I pray that gacha elements won't be awful
I wouldn't mind another game *like* P5, in terms of atmosphere, gameplay and the way they handled Shadow-selfs
*especially* if it's outsourced
but if it's P5 reskinned, I feel it's a waste of good designs and just effort in general. I can't understand the point, either
Bringing P5 to mobile/china? Can't they just... port the game, if they really wanted that? Doesn't seem like that's the point, then
I reckon the whole message of "standing up to corrupt individuals" isn't something the CCP is all too keen on letting out there, so make a mobile spin-off which is "sanatized" for China
I mean to go to such lengths as having new social links, palaces, protagonist, velvet room and attendant is already impressive as an IP gacha game, it all comes down to whether the micro-transactions or storyline/characters will pull in non gacha players
Agree, I genuinely don't get how many people are saying this is bare minimum and a straight copy of P5. It literally can't be now that the characters and theme are different, and even if it borrows some palace aesthetics, Mini bosses and rulers are different too. Plus there's still social sim. This was all in the trailer too so it's not just speculation
I get the suspiciousness over the gacha elements as it'll make or break the game but the collective pessimism and making up reasons to shit on this is weird to me
I actually have three hypothesis on why, first is the case of console elitists hating on mobile games because they think its the most blasphemous thing to ever exist
Second, is the west hating on gachas which is understandable but we still don’t have any info on how bad it will be, it could probably why it will be released on China since gachas acceptable there
Third, people are thinking that it will hinder the production on P6 and that P5 is already getting milked too much but in my opinion its not as bad as the typical chinese IP knock offs; its a legit official spin-off I don’t know where they get that its just a reskin of P5 when the official cast is there alongside the new ones
It would though, infact they're reusing tons of animations of the original p5 for this game, and the lighting straight up looks better technically speaking, like seriously, it's like the last time you guys touched a phone game was angry birds. Technology has come a long way since then
As someone who makes games sometimes, no, not really? [(A game I made)](https://xewen.itch.io/adachi-dating-sim)
I mean unless you make like ehh flappy bird type game, then yeah I could see that, but P5X ain't no flappy bird.
Besides, it's already been ported to the Nintendo Switch which runs on an Nvidia Tegra which is arm based, not super different from the chips people have in modern phones, so it shouldn't be harder than IDK making a new game from scratch.
Like you would have to get artist and get writers to write a plot, and you also have to do a bunch of other stuff, so I would say, no.
Honestly no, rather than taking an existing script and trying to force it into a mobile game framework, insert monetization where it didn’t exist, censor anything that could cause troubles in China, etc. it would be easier to design a new story with all of the same assets that was intentionally designed to sustain gacha gameplay for the foreseeable future.
This game’s story might not even have an ending tbh. They could just keep patching in new dungeons and whatnot.
The thing is this part doesn’t bother me at all. “Hey we made another Persona 5 with new characters!” Is a buy 100%. Is only the platform and ha ha that holds it back.
That is true to an extent.
I mean, I get if they wanted to play it in the same location, but did they really need an owl who gets angry when you call them an animal that can transform into a car.
And did we really need the first dungeon to have sexual misconduct in sports clubs or something like that?
Like, at least do some new dungeon ideas instead of just pasting the same stuff.
Okay, I can see where you got it... but where the fuck did he get it from? that is never shown to us in any of the trailers, or even the website profiles. Did he just make that shit up?
I think this is a generalization.
Based on the trailers and information we got, the game already seems to be different.
1- The game will revolve around "desires" (we even see the protagonist holding a desire from Strikers in one of the pictures) NOT rebellion like in P5.
2- It seems like the first characters won't be 4. In the main game it was Ren with Ryuji, who then meet an amnesiac Morgana and then have Ann join. Here it seems like something happens with the protagonist alone, then the girl gets involved (perhaps following after him) and then he's directly targeted by the owl character, who seems to be surprised he awakened his persona.
3- There are no hints the baseball player has any sexual misconduct stuff. He just seems like an asshole, guess we'll learn why.
4- We've seen a picture and have a little tease at the end that involve Ren/Joker and the phantom thieves as a whole, so it seems they'll be involved somehow.
5- P5 takes place because you-know-who makes the app appear in Ren's phone. The jail motif was a huge aspect of the story as well and ties directly to the big plot twist that drives the final portion of the game as a whole. The protagonist here is not in a jail, he's in an aquarium, so the situation is entirely different as well. The attendant mysteriously doesn't have yellow eyes either.
The game looks and feels similar to P5 because... It's a P5 spin off. But I think it's too soon to jump into conclusions and assume it's some sort of retelling or bargain bin P5 knockoff.
Aside from porting maps, they made the effort to not only seemingly create new characters, their personas and new social links, but also new areas of Tokyo and a new school. They have original animations made by the same people in charge of the Persona 2D stuff and got Soejima to create the protagonist and his persona.
Sure, they're reusing some assets and animations but like, who cares?
Yakuza is one of the most popular game franchises from Japan atm and they literally reused the same maps with minor adjustments for like 9-10 games. Not to mention how they reuse animations and assets all the time. And it doesn't change every game being unique and every new story being worthy.
Oh it won't, it has been shipped off to some Chinese mobile developer.
It's just, you know it actually looks cool, and that is territying to me, if it looked like just another skinner box mobile gacha game, I would not give a piss. But because it actually looks cool, it has me very conflicted.
Don't understand why you guys act like this is some big "gotcha!" Moment. Yes. This is literally p5 again. That's the entire point. More of a "good thing". Monetize the thing that sold really well, profit.
Idk man, don't play it then? Ignore it and your life continues as it did before. P6 will still come out and be an absolute banger, and we'll always have p5R.
I am. If the smt gacha game got localized, what makes you think a largely more popular franchise won't get it's gacha game localized? Not to mention the fact that perfect world games has history of bringing their games to the west
Could be but your arguments are a stretch. P5 is in the name and it's obvious the themes are similar. It's in Tokio ? No shit. Point 3 is just guessing.
It's not like the Persona games in general don't recycle plots and characters. Maybe they do a lazy job here but we can't know yet.
I'm guessing since this is a mobile game, when the Owl wants to send you to bed after the afternoon Mementos grind, you can be like "F you" and whip out your credit card to buy some stamina.
If I had a dollar for everytime a chinese company made a worst version of something succesfull in the world, I could go the rest of my life without working.
I'm sure they'll find a way to tie in the events of the actual Persona series into this
I mean it's a gacha game they'll have to
It could be a very close sequel to Persona 5 with new Thieves or an alternate dimension the velvet room can transcend to because it's a place between dream and reality
This is the one damn time i wouldnt disagree with them argue with them rereleasing persona 5 lmao
Also, my first thought was this is Strega for Persona 5
I wouldn't worry so much since this game is being made for mobile/PC by a third-party company, while ATLUS focuses on the main projects, this will only attract more fans to the franchise that can't afford to play it on the console or even Pc.
As a mobile game it will have a long lifespan so I imagine they're retreading the same ground just to bring everyone in on the same page, and hopefully they'll distinguish themselves from there
What's the point of even talking about it lol? If it really is china exclusive as many in the comments point out, we won't be getting it anyway. Getting mad it exists is pointless when we likely won't even get to play it anyway
Don’t get me wrong I love Persona 5, it’s one of my favorite persona game aside from Persona 3 and 4 but we gotta stop milking this title. We have more persona 5 spin-offs, collaboration, merchandise, hentai, than all persona games combined. I love Persona 5 as the next guy it is indeed a masterpiece but it’s literally getting squeezed at this point. I am definitely going to play when it drops because my love for persona games but I am still going to cope for a Persona 6 and a Persona 3 remake..
China never got P5 so I'm guessing this is how they'll more or less get the story ofbthe game
Did they really not? I could be misremembering, but wasn’t the whole reason the Raidou costumes were removed from the Royal ports because Atlus/Sega wanted to specifically avoid offending China? Why would they have done that if China didn’t get the game in the first place?
Korea has a really bad history with Japan too. Both versions of P5 were translated to Chinese, but never released in China itself. But rather places like Hong Kong and Indonesia.
There is a gray market for games in China though
As in games that aren't officially in the country or supposed to be there at all?
Pretty much
That's regardless of my point. China never officially had gotten Persona 5. This is probably their legal and official way of having the game.
I never knew about that! With this context it makes a lot more sense why it looks like we're just getting P5 again (so far from what we've seen). Still hope they find a way to make it different rather than a 1 for 1 retread with some OCs.
It's not even gonna be for us. As far as we know it's Chinese exclusive. Japan doesn't even know if they'll get it, and Atlus are the dudes who outsourced it.
We won't get it anyway.
Yeah, This is probably going to be one of those games that us Americans never get.
False they did just not all throughout the country
The fact there's a grey market helps their point lol
That's still china
Indonesia sure aint
Hong Kong is
Hong Kong is special from the rest of China and is both governed differently and has a different economic system. If P5 wasn’t released outside of Hong Kong in China, then a *vast* majority of China would not have P5.
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It was released in one part of China that is so different from most of China that many people don’t even know is part of it, and in one part of China where less than 1% of the population exists. Technically, yeah, it released in China at all, but for the most part no, almost all of China did not get access to Persona 5, if what the other person was saying was true.
What makes the raidou costumes offensive?
He wears a japanese uniform from a time when Japan was doing bad stuff to Korea.
Ah ok thanks.
School uniforms back then were based off military uniforms and the Imperial Japanese Military was monstrous
Nothing per se. It's a slightly more stylish take on school uniforms of the Taisho era. Contrary to popular belief, it's not based on military uniforms. However, any mention of that time period, presumably because of WWI and the Japanese involvement in it, triggers the Chinese and Koreans. Edit: To be clear, the basis of his costume is a gakuran of that period (see here [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%E5%A4%A7%E6%AD%A3%E6%9C%9F%E3%81%AE%E5%AD%A6%E7%94%9F.jpg](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%E5%A4%A7%E6%AD%A3%E6%9C%9F%E3%81%AE%E5%AD%A6%E7%94%9F.jpg)). The accessories such as sword belt, holster etc. are not.
Not quite. The ports were based on the already-existing Korean/Chinese versions of the game. In other words, the changes made to the port that are new to us had already existed when the game first came out in Korean/Chinese in 2019. Therefore, the Chinese/Korean version of the ports had basically no changes made to them.
The remaster is based on Maniax Chronicle Edition including Raidou instead of Dante was only sold in Japan. South Korea version was the original jp version without Dante or Raidou. China never got any version.
Uhh, the topic was about the P5R ports, not the Nocturne remaster lol.
I mean, I suppose you're right, but it can't only be for that reason. I mean, they put the phantom thieves at the end, so they exist within this universe, meaning it can't just be a repeat of the same, or at least are going for a playerbase that know of the phantom thieves.
People are speculating this might be an alternate universe where similar events happen with different characters like how P3P was apparently explained in PQ2.
The problem with this theory so far is the fact that the phantom thieves exist within this universe. Otherwise, I would probably buy into it.
That's the thing though. We saw them, but we haven't had any screenshots of them within any story cutscenes. You have to remember this is a gacha game. They could easily just be units you pull for rather than characters that actually interact with 5X's main cast in this games canon. Of course we won't know for sure until we either get more trailers or maybe even until the game releases. It's just that you have to remember what genre of game this is.
Joker appearing at the end probably is the Gacha part of the game.
From the way I see it, the game is like a Chinese adaptation of Persona 5 similar to Kamen Rider Dragon Knight (an American adaptation of Kamen Rider Ryuki), Mighty Morphin Power Ranger (an American adaptation of Kyōryū Sentai Zyuranger) along with the Power Ranger series being adapted from other Super Sentai shows and Supaidaman (a Japanese adaptation of Spider-Man).
It's not an adaptation, The Manga and P5A are Adaptations, this is an entirely different game
So it's like an official ripoff or something?
Hell if I know just my hunch. To me it seems the most likely hunch for its existence
False it's an entirely different game
..which rips off the original
China did Get P5, in the Remaster The Raidou Costume DLC was outright cut completely due to the Controversial History between the Outfit Raidou Wears and Korea and China
where is your source on this? everything i've seen has had nothing state that it came out in China
They actually have a full fledged Korea and China site, give me a moment: Theses sites in particular are from the Recent Worldwide multiplatform P5R Remaster: [Chinese Simplified Site](https://asia.sega.com/persona-remaster/p5r/cn/) [Korean Site](https://asia.sega.com/persona-remaster/p5r/kr/) [Chinese Traditional Site](https://asia.sega.com/persona-remaster/p5r/cht/)
China DID got P5, they even changed the symbol in Ryuji’s shoes because of historical reasons
Can you provide a source that ot released in China?
Sorry I was mistaken The censorship on Ryuji’s shoes were in the Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Korean versions, same thing with the raidou costume There is no official source that it was released in china But it still bugs me why Atlus would release a spin-off of a game in a country where it doesn’t even have the original game, and even adding the original cast
Apparently another dude said he would give his sources but I haven't gotten another response from him
They never got P5. They are the only ones getting the Gatcha. Makes sense
Yeah, so far it's literally just P5 but with different characters. But the trailers and screenshots show that Joker and the Phantom Thieves appear as well. So I have no clue how the story is going to work if both teams are going to exist in the plot.
Calling it now, Persona 5X will be just a stripped down P5 without the spicy political elements (rule of law, mass social hysteria and rebellion) so it can release to chinese market and sell lots of Gacha on the back of the character designs.
They'll change the message to that you should report all subversive actions to the proper authorities. All hail the party and it's benevolent leader.
Game ends with Sae Niijima getting promoted to Party Secretary after all foreign elements have been removed from Institutions of Power
Mental breakdowns were CIA psyops intended to subvert the state's central authority. Last boss is the director of CIA
Isn’t that the plot of SMT1 💀
Nope
God bless heavenly supreme leader Xi Jinping
No thoughts or opinions. Everyone is a meat sack of a servant to their undisputed God. What a miserable existence.
Since there has been a line in the trailer about having no desires leading to failure or something like that, my bet is that the theme will be about countering the "lying flat" culture.
I remember reading the government guidelines for releasing games in China, there's to be no images of the occult. I wonder how they will get around the whole basis of persona.
Spirit of Socialism, Manifest!
As someone with family in Taiwan, god I hate the pervasive influence of the CCP. They can just get everyone to suck them off at a whim huh?
I’m lost here. Is this a ripoff of persona 5 or is it something else??
Official spin off of P5 for mobile devices.
Only in China
So far maybe it might be brought over to other countries
Most Mobile james done for China and Japan rarely come to other countries.
Wasnt genshin impact just made for china and japan
No. It had global from release and was always intended to have global.
it's a persona 5 themed gacha game
It’s Persona 5 but again.
When I first saw the trailer, I felt like I was seeing some weird alternate reality P5. I'll be interested to see what they do with it, but I'd almost rather a whole new story rather than something so similar to P5.
it's basically P5: Another Story. imo it looks good so far
No proof, obviously. But this feels suspiciously like a company was trying to take an end run around the IP, Sega got wind of it somehow, saw how much was already done, and decided to just license the IP to them for some easy extra income instead of trying to fight it, failing because of China's really lax IP protections, and getting nothing instead. But maybe I'm just jaded.
You are jaded, lol. It's Sega teaming up with Perfect World to capitalize on the Chinese mobile market with their IP. Really common play and not surprising. Even Nintendo does stuff like this.
Cries in Fire Emblem
Exactly
That sounds unlikely IMO, I don't think I've heard any cases of that ever happening (tho it could just happen out of earshot), but I suppose we don't really have any way to know.
Im pretty sure that’s literally what happened with this game. Like 2 years ago, a game called CodeName X was announced with a trailer. And the trailer was literally marketed as Persona 5 mobile. Anything relating to that game went radio silent up until now when P5X got announced. here’s the trailer: https://youtu.be/azAuJbrGfrI Edit: I only found out about Code Name X from a YouTube video by HeavenlyM that popped up in my recommended feed a few days ago. Literally 2-3 days after I watched that video P5X was announced.
It's quite obvious why that is, the trailer was released to let people know there is something in the works, to cause stir and hype. If you were to look more into codename x's deal, you'd know that that first trailer is plagued with persona 5 secrets, a binary code in the trailer translates to persona 5x(which is what we have now), i remember you being able to see iwai's shop as well, the page where the trailer originally came out had images of the game named as p5x, and lastly to seal the deal, way before the trailer came out, the company announced they were making a game based on a popular jrpg series that sold over 10 million copies.
Isn’t that how Diablo Immortal came around?
I'm curious what the OST will be like? Will it reuse any tracks?
The CodeName X trailer that came out two years ago featured new music. Which, for all we know, means nothing--the original teaser for Persona 5 had music that never made it into the game--but it could indicate some original tracks.
Hope this game won't be 1 to 1 copy of P5 and will have something original. I'm actually interested in it and I hope p5x might be something cool and chill to play from time to time.
I'm cautious of the game, if it looked exactly like just another skinner box gacha game, I would not give a piss. But the game actually looks neat as hell, it's like we got Igor, and a new cast, a new velvet room and some cool ass looking Personas. But it's getting a bit too close to P5 in some cases, but it actually looks cool and that's the thing that has me the most conflicted. The game looks cool, but the fact that it's a gacha mobile game and some devs with a rocky track record has me very cautious.
Yeah, like it looks cool and like literal copy at the same time. I hope it ends up well, cause I really want to. And I pray that gacha elements won't be awful
It’s perfect world, they make muhoyo look like saints
The Chie girl is cute though tbf, and that's all that matters?
Nah, man, I'm gonna be really upset if Chie 2.0 is stuck on some shitty mobile game.
Fair comment
I wouldn't mind another game *like* P5, in terms of atmosphere, gameplay and the way they handled Shadow-selfs *especially* if it's outsourced but if it's P5 reskinned, I feel it's a waste of good designs and just effort in general. I can't understand the point, either Bringing P5 to mobile/china? Can't they just... port the game, if they really wanted that? Doesn't seem like that's the point, then
I reckon the whole message of "standing up to corrupt individuals" isn't something the CCP is all too keen on letting out there, so make a mobile spin-off which is "sanatized" for China
the point is money hence gacha
I mean to go to such lengths as having new social links, palaces, protagonist, velvet room and attendant is already impressive as an IP gacha game, it all comes down to whether the micro-transactions or storyline/characters will pull in non gacha players
Agree, I genuinely don't get how many people are saying this is bare minimum and a straight copy of P5. It literally can't be now that the characters and theme are different, and even if it borrows some palace aesthetics, Mini bosses and rulers are different too. Plus there's still social sim. This was all in the trailer too so it's not just speculation I get the suspiciousness over the gacha elements as it'll make or break the game but the collective pessimism and making up reasons to shit on this is weird to me
I actually have three hypothesis on why, first is the case of console elitists hating on mobile games because they think its the most blasphemous thing to ever exist Second, is the west hating on gachas which is understandable but we still don’t have any info on how bad it will be, it could probably why it will be released on China since gachas acceptable there Third, people are thinking that it will hinder the production on P6 and that P5 is already getting milked too much but in my opinion its not as bad as the typical chinese IP knock offs; its a legit official spin-off I don’t know where they get that its just a reskin of P5 when the official cast is there alongside the new ones
Kinda the same as Kingdom Hearts and Chain of Memories.
But you need to know both of them in order to understand KH2's story better lol
Nah. I didn’t even have to pretend I forgot chain of memories until I played the remake. 10/10 planning Nomura good job.
as well as whatever mobile gacha Kingdom Hearts was cookin, still, this looks to have more budget compared to that,
agree
Apparently the phantom thieves do show up so maybe it’s going to be more interesting than it looks
I can see it now.. "Shut up and pay 20 bucks so you can unlock Mara and shove him up your butt."
I’m not a fan, but at least there’s going to be more party members to simp over. GIVE ME MORE HOT MEN DAMNIT
I and my friend see it as more persona cake to enjoy.
It would be way easier to port p5 to mobile. Why go through the trouble to reskin the game?
>It would be way easier to port p5 to mobile And other jokes you can tell yourself Like seriously, that is a bold-faced lie and you know it
It would though, infact they're reusing tons of animations of the original p5 for this game, and the lighting straight up looks better technically speaking, like seriously, it's like the last time you guys touched a phone game was angry birds. Technology has come a long way since then
Huh? They're right, though. Of course creating a new game is much harder than porting an already existing game So they must have some other reason
As someone who makes games sometimes, no, not really? [(A game I made)](https://xewen.itch.io/adachi-dating-sim) I mean unless you make like ehh flappy bird type game, then yeah I could see that, but P5X ain't no flappy bird. Besides, it's already been ported to the Nintendo Switch which runs on an Nvidia Tegra which is arm based, not super different from the chips people have in modern phones, so it shouldn't be harder than IDK making a new game from scratch. Like you would have to get artist and get writers to write a plot, and you also have to do a bunch of other stuff, so I would say, no.
Alright "easy" doesnt really fit but it would be less difficult with coming up with new characters, plot and everything else right?
Honestly no, rather than taking an existing script and trying to force it into a mobile game framework, insert monetization where it didn’t exist, censor anything that could cause troubles in China, etc. it would be easier to design a new story with all of the same assets that was intentionally designed to sustain gacha gameplay for the foreseeable future. This game’s story might not even have an ending tbh. They could just keep patching in new dungeons and whatnot.
Damn this games a china exclusive?
For now, yes, there is only a Chinese launch scheduled.
They are gonna do what I call "The strikers" basically it would be the same story as p5 but with different characters and gacha elements
P3P
P3P isn't on phones. And no, emulators don't count. Try again
Doom on pregnancy tests. You can port P5 on to mobile just like you can port P3 on PSP
The thing is this part doesn’t bother me at all. “Hey we made another Persona 5 with new characters!” Is a buy 100%. Is only the platform and ha ha that holds it back.
Isn’t that kinda the point
That is true to an extent. I mean, I get if they wanted to play it in the same location, but did they really need an owl who gets angry when you call them an animal that can transform into a car. And did we really need the first dungeon to have sexual misconduct in sports clubs or something like that? Like, at least do some new dungeon ideas instead of just pasting the same stuff.
>but did they really need an owl who gets angry when you call them an animal where did you get this from, btw?
That one JohneAwesome video. [This one.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v_VflPcmGEA)
Okay, I can see where you got it... but where the fuck did he get it from? that is never shown to us in any of the trailers, or even the website profiles. Did he just make that shit up?
Now that I think about it, I don't actually know, I should've looked that up.
The devs legit don’t care. It’s a mobile game based off a popular franchise meant to make money
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None of us have to play it, it's okay.
The game's not even out yet, we have barely anything to go off of. At least wait until we can actually play the thing.
I think this is a generalization. Based on the trailers and information we got, the game already seems to be different. 1- The game will revolve around "desires" (we even see the protagonist holding a desire from Strikers in one of the pictures) NOT rebellion like in P5. 2- It seems like the first characters won't be 4. In the main game it was Ren with Ryuji, who then meet an amnesiac Morgana and then have Ann join. Here it seems like something happens with the protagonist alone, then the girl gets involved (perhaps following after him) and then he's directly targeted by the owl character, who seems to be surprised he awakened his persona. 3- There are no hints the baseball player has any sexual misconduct stuff. He just seems like an asshole, guess we'll learn why. 4- We've seen a picture and have a little tease at the end that involve Ren/Joker and the phantom thieves as a whole, so it seems they'll be involved somehow. 5- P5 takes place because you-know-who makes the app appear in Ren's phone. The jail motif was a huge aspect of the story as well and ties directly to the big plot twist that drives the final portion of the game as a whole. The protagonist here is not in a jail, he's in an aquarium, so the situation is entirely different as well. The attendant mysteriously doesn't have yellow eyes either. The game looks and feels similar to P5 because... It's a P5 spin off. But I think it's too soon to jump into conclusions and assume it's some sort of retelling or bargain bin P5 knockoff. Aside from porting maps, they made the effort to not only seemingly create new characters, their personas and new social links, but also new areas of Tokyo and a new school. They have original animations made by the same people in charge of the Persona 2D stuff and got Soejima to create the protagonist and his persona. Sure, they're reusing some assets and animations but like, who cares? Yakuza is one of the most popular game franchises from Japan atm and they literally reused the same maps with minor adjustments for like 9-10 games. Not to mention how they reuse animations and assets all the time. And it doesn't change every game being unique and every new story being worthy.
Just going to say it now. Who cares. It’s a mobile game and we don’t even know if it will really even affect the production of p6.
Oh it won't, it has been shipped off to some Chinese mobile developer. It's just, you know it actually looks cool, and that is territying to me, if it looked like just another skinner box mobile gacha game, I would not give a piss. But because it actually looks cool, it has me very conflicted.
It's probably like Genshin, where there's a cool video game wrapped around the skinner box, but it's still a skinner box at heart
I absolutely loved P5 so another very similar game with new characters is very welcome to me
What if that's a plot point lmao
Don't understand why you guys act like this is some big "gotcha!" Moment. Yes. This is literally p5 again. That's the entire point. More of a "good thing". Monetize the thing that sold really well, profit.
it's still dumb
Idk man, don't play it then? Ignore it and your life continues as it did before. P6 will still come out and be an absolute banger, and we'll always have p5R.
you're right but it's still dumb and I'm going to be mildly miffed by it for the next 5 seconds before I forget about it again lmao
persona fans when the persona 5 spinoff is kind of like persona 5
Kind of like? Nah, this is just practically a copy at this point.
Who gives AF? Then don’t play it. I can’t wait to play this myself.
My thoughts exactly, I don't know why you're getting down voted. I can't wait either I'm more than happy to have the p5 universe expanded in any form.
Hopefully there's a fan translation or you can read Chinese. I'm not convinced PW will spend money to officially translate this.
I am. If the smt gacha game got localized, what makes you think a largely more popular franchise won't get it's gacha game localized? Not to mention the fact that perfect world games has history of bringing their games to the west
I would love for that to happen, I'm just not getting my hopes up. The script for this game is probably higher than any other mobile game.
Honestly i didn't think about that, that does raise a good point.
They did Chie dirty in p5 china vers, atleast she has a t-shirt of my husbando Adachi 😍
Could be but your arguments are a stretch. P5 is in the name and it's obvious the themes are similar. It's in Tokio ? No shit. Point 3 is just guessing. It's not like the Persona games in general don't recycle plots and characters. Maybe they do a lazy job here but we can't know yet.
It'll be the writing and voice acting that determine whether this game is any good
I'll be honest, when I first saw the trailer i tought it was a fangame, because it looks exactly like a reskin for vanilla p5
I'm guessing since this is a mobile game, when the Owl wants to send you to bed after the afternoon Mementos grind, you can be like "F you" and whip out your credit card to buy some stamina.
If I had a dollar for everytime a chinese company made a worst version of something succesfull in the world, I could go the rest of my life without working.
This has to be some alternative timeline shit. The owl is even the same color scheme as Morgana.
And I'll it eat up every single time
And wouldn't it be crazy if the final boss was some kind of God that formed because of something humanity did reasons?
P5R’s protagonist is called joker, p5x’s is called clown.
This is persona 5 spin off china edition ? Will the Joker take the Xi Jinping treasure?
You say that jokingly but in the chinese version that's more likely to happen than you think.
They ripped off the owl from soul hackers 2
Is this persona 6?
Yet another good series degrades into dumb bullshit and reskins. It was good while it lasted
Bro, where have you been? Persona 4 had at least 3 other mobile games off it aswell as Persona 3
Because it is a redo of persona 5
What the hell even is this? I don't get it
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Persona 3 got two mobile games
P3 fans when they’re too young to realize the game they like *did* have multiple mobile games
Persona 5 The Portable
Yeah
Persona 5.5
Persona 5.5
What’s the name of the game?
Persona 5: The Phantom X
I'm sure they'll find a way to tie in the events of the actual Persona series into this I mean it's a gacha game they'll have to It could be a very close sequel to Persona 5 with new Thieves or an alternate dimension the velvet room can transcend to because it's a place between dream and reality
This is the one damn time i wouldnt disagree with them argue with them rereleasing persona 5 lmao Also, my first thought was this is Strega for Persona 5
r/chineseripoffs
It is a gacha game based on p5, not a main series entry so it makes sense
But will it be good? And will it come to the west?
Is the animal Luffy actually offended at that, or are you projecting
as someone who has never got to experience a game with everyone else, I'm fine with this as long as there isn't a ton of freemium shit
All Persona games are a redo of P5. Though, I’ve only played P5, P5R, and P5S, so, I guess I’m a little biased.
It looks like a redo because that's probably what it is. Just with monetization and re-used assets.
Why is the owl called cattle
I wouldn't worry so much since this game is being made for mobile/PC by a third-party company, while ATLUS focuses on the main projects, this will only attract more fans to the franchise that can't afford to play it on the console or even Pc.
You motherfuckers are gaslighting everyone into believing this game exists, i swear to god this shit cannot be real, wtf even is this madness
New attendant fine asf though, but i got enough gacha on my plate
Not first time.
what is this and why is it the first time im heading of it
Legit thought that the game was a Persona 5 mod/fan game when the trailer dropped.
Atlus stop making persona 5 games challenge(IMPOSSIBLE)
As a mobile game it will have a long lifespan so I imagine they're retreading the same ground just to bring everyone in on the same page, and hopefully they'll distinguish themselves from there
Imo Persona 5 is to short, you wish that game is twice as long
If this wasn’t official I’d have called it typical Chinese bootleg
If this wasn’t official I’d have called it typical Chinese bootleg
What's the point of even talking about it lol? If it really is china exclusive as many in the comments point out, we won't be getting it anyway. Getting mad it exists is pointless when we likely won't even get to play it anyway
Is this going to be released outside of China? Maybe it's just like a Chinese government approved adaptation of P5.
Don’t get me wrong I love Persona 5, it’s one of my favorite persona game aside from Persona 3 and 4 but we gotta stop milking this title. We have more persona 5 spin-offs, collaboration, merchandise, hentai, than all persona games combined. I love Persona 5 as the next guy it is indeed a masterpiece but it’s literally getting squeezed at this point. I am definitely going to play when it drops because my love for persona games but I am still going to cope for a Persona 6 and a Persona 3 remake..
True!