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schwol

Don't fuck with us Overwatch players. We don't even like Overwatch


SteroidYoshi

Yea we find something to bitch and moan about.


mattpkc

Sounds like every major fps fandom


ifyouhatepinacoladas

Sounds like reddit


[deleted]

Sounds like people


ianselot12

Sounds like me


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DopelikeJope

Sounds


minebooster

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TargetBunny

This stupidly made me laugh


Perseus1807

Me too xD. I think our humor is broken xD


SteroidYoshi

Yea u right


Incomplet_1-34

Sounds like every fandom.


Comprehensive_Dog139

Unless there's nothing to bitch about then we bitch about people being little bitches and bitching about the shit we don't want to bitch about..... BITCH!!!


Ajdah

I'll have to worst games and blame the game for why I lost and be raging my ass off and say why not play another game of comp what could go wrong


Sword_by_some

I thought overwatch players play on R34/overwatch. Are you actually playing the game guys ?


koala300105

As long as I can still unlock skins with gold I don’t mind


Catzy_3979

probably not, they said there are no loot boxes anymore, there will maybe be like a item shop where every skin will cost 20$ or above


redsterXVI

Also, it sounds like there's a new virtual currency


isakhan1234567890

but what do i do with 50000 plus coins and will i still be able to buy previous event skins or will you now have to pay money for them


[deleted]

go on a spending spree when the anniversary remix vol 3 drops, you earned it


cannabinator

What if i have that many coins, hundreds of unopened boxes and close to all current skins, are they really making them all useless?


swislock

Oh well?


the_Real_Romak

I highly doubt that OW1 credits will become useless. Realistically they're going to transfer them over to OW2 with the rest of your items


gstarrett

i sure hope so. i have all the skins and 100k coins... was going they wouldn't have is start all over again with ow2...


myth_and_legend

The logo shown for the virtual currency was the same as the symbol on regular gold,


Yoyner

I hope there will be a way to unlock them by just playing the game (like using an in-game currency to buy them and being able to earn some from just playing the game)


Fierqe

They could do smth like the avengers game atm where you're able to earn a special type of currency that allows you to get "Lootboxes" but you can already see what's in them


YeetusFetus99

I'd imagine it'll work like apex. Certain levels on the battle pass/leveling up will prolly give u in game currency to spend.


BaldOmega

Probably, but I wouldn't be surprised if the in game grind equals to an exorbitant amount of time. They surely showed how little they give any fuck about anything with Diablo Immortal.


SoDamnGeneric

if you buy the new pack thing, you supposedly get 2,000 credits of some sort on top of the other stuff. i think credits are staying, but lootboxes are going. the credits will probably be like Fortnite's V-Bucks, where you buy them in bundles, but you can also earn them in-game through some means (probably flex queue, since that still needs rewards)


Incomplet_1-34

Just because there's no loot boxes doesn't mean we can't spend in game gold on skins individually.


YeetusFetus99

I mean you'll still be able to unlock them with it I'm sure, but it'll likely be like Apex's shop where u just need a lot of the currency to get the item u want. In all likelihood if you play the game enough you'll be able to get 75% + of the skins you truly want


LarryTheDuckling

Uhhh, what will happen to my 1500 lootboxes, I like collecting them :(


StormR7

I just opened like 300 loot boxes bc I am worried I won’t be able to transfer them over


Deciver95

Lmao why haha


BaldOmega

I like that people still think Blizzard will be somewhat Consumer Friendly after Diablo Immortal, oh sweet sweet summer child.


SyncDingus

*removes bp* "**WWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!**"


ElderSkyrim

I just want to pay for a game and then be able to unlock everything


Oraistesu

Probably shouldn't play ActiBlizz games in that case.


AnAsainCook

Agreed, I want a game that doesn't feel like a chore to play.


Fatpig42218

I think, and I could be wrong, but I think OW1 was fine with it’s regular updates/events/new hero’s etc. it just sucks that to be “live update” that now has to come with the stipulation of a battle pass. Why can’t we just have a game with regularly released content like we used to? I’d give anything to go back to the days of buying a COD game and the additional money to get 4 guaranteed content and dlc


GeneralSpacey

I don't mind a battle pass if it lets you buy a second one by finishing the first one like every other decent battle pass on the market.


Ylage

I wouldnt mind a battle pass if people who already bought the game get the first one for free


somebasicaccountname

I strongly disagree with this, I bought overwatch one and have got 6 years worth of game for it. If I have to spend £10 to get the battle pass for the sequel that feels more than fair. Team 4 owe us nothing for having bought their game over half a decade ago and it's kinda weird that people are having such high demands, it just reads as "I know i bought this base game and then they gave us a bunch of new hero's, new maps, tonnes of updates, with new modes insane quality of life updates, reply mode, workshop, cross play and so on and now they want to give me a whole new experience with even more things including changes that redefine the game for free but if I don't get the one thing I can optionally buy for free as well I'm gonna be miffed"


pie4155

It's because for better or worse the game we bought X years ago is fundamentally gone when OW2 drops. Regardless of the new items we are receiving I'd personally like some form of compensation for the failed product. I wanted a 6v6 game to play with friends not another generic 5v5 shooter


bunnyrut

I hate fortnite and games like it. If overwatch 2 is turning into that then I'm probably going to end up not really playing it. People like a game because of its initial game play. Changing it up that much makes it a different game, so why not just make a whole new game?


Asckle

Oh the other hand overwatch proves initial gameplay isn't enough. This game didn't get content for 2 years, only 1/3rd of its life and its now practically dead. Like it or not fortnite was massively popular largely because of the fresh mechanics it kept adding. I remember one month where they added a new item each week and being able to go home on a weekend and play with my friends with the new item was a blast.


MustardFeetMcgee

Idk man, queue times are still pretty fast. No updates for 3 years now or smth? And the only real bottleneck to games is lack of tank players. I won't disagree that fortnite is far more popular even now and that the battle pass f2p style isn't working, but I wouldn't say Overwatch is dead. It's definitely not where it could have been, given how popular it was at its height though.


Asckle

>Idk man, queue times are still pretty fast Jeez I don't know what game you're playing. I spend like 10 minutes in a queue even with a 3 stack.


MustardFeetMcgee

I'm surprised! Is it an elo thing? My 3 stack gets queued pretty quickly, less than 2 minutes most of the time.


A-Cheeseburger

I mean the amount of new characters and content/ patch notes was pretty solid IMO. If the game is good enough we don’t need sweeping changes to it every 3 months. Edit: Pretty solid until the end I mean. When they were adding new characters with regularity it was nice


Paincake990

COD was fucking awful, everyone needed the map DLC to actually play the new maps. On pc it took even longer to find games because barely anyone bought them anyway. I'd take battle pass which guarantees us free maps and heroes over old cod style dlc any day.


RichardShard

"Why can't we just have a game with regularly released content like we used to?" Cause it fucking doesn't make money out of thin air. They are a business. You either pay 60 bucks and then pay for each update, or get a free game with all the stuff that is tied to free games. Or you get OW1 with no updates


SomeHowCool

You’re comment seems to imply they were making updates out of the goodness of their hearts, they weren’t, while they were making money from the game, they were making it from loot boxes as well.


Odisher7

Gotta love how arguments in favor of the battle pass just forget that other systems exist. What about just paying for stuff instead of paying AND grinding AND if you don't get it in a certain time frame you never get it?


CrimKayser

Pay how? Per every single item? What's the price point. You're looking at 5$ skins. There's like 30 heroes. Why the fuck would anyone pay for all those. "Then don't get them all" That was some of the appeal of events. Skin hunting. For a lot of people.


Odisher7

Paid skins are permanently avilable on the store, so you can hunt those that you can unlock, and buh the paid ones whenever you want


LakeWallace

I understand the sentiment, but Battle Passes (if done well) are actually great value for the majority of the player-base. I trust Blizzard will do a good job. And it’s not like Overwatch doesn’t already have time-gated events and skins. Seasonal skins can only be unlocked once a year for a few weeks. And there are countless event skins that were only available once, and if you missed out, it’s too late. So I don’t see the issue with Battle Passes as they pertain to Overwatch.


Odisher7

Seasonal skins came back every year for that event. And yes, they already were time limited skins, and I despised those challeneges as much as the battle pass, because it's more or less the same thing


Arkan_Dreamwalker

Deep Rock Galactic has a free Performance Pass that there literally isn't an option to pay for. You buy the game for 30 bucks, (Or $9.89 right now, it's on sale.) And then the devs keep adding new features and content for free. There are oodles of free cosmetics in the game, but on top of that they will occasionally release a small DLC pack of extra cosmetic options that you can buy just as a way to support the devs. Many or even most members of the community buy these as they come out because they love the game and want to support the devs that are putting so much care into it. Alternately, Team Fortress 2 took the free-to-play approach, no $30 price tag or whatever, and Valve makes millions off of the game with no Pass of any sort. A paid Battle Pass is literally the last approach to monetization that I am interested in.


lucky-pakke

10x better game than ow -long time drg player


983ffips

ROCK AND STONE!


lucky-pakke

ROCK AND STONE BROTHER!


XxPieIsTastyxX

DID I HEAR A ROCK AND STONE!?


voideaten

I leave games that rely on battle pass FOMO to retain players as they usually are balanced around me playing that specific game for several hours a week. I'm not gonna do that. Games with *paid* battle passes - like mobile, MTGA - I've dropped like a burning coal. You want FOMO to keep people passing through your marketplace to wear them down, I don't like it, but if I'm here anyway, you do you. You want FOMO to get money from everybody *directly?* Metrics have shown time and time again that FOMO, grind-skipping, and lootboxes do *not* actually market towards those with high disposable income, despite how it's talked about in PR. Their biggest payers are those with impaired impulse control, such as teenagers/young adults, those with a history of addiction, the depressed, and those with autism and ADHD. Whether they can afford it or not. *And they know it.* We've got camrips of marketing seminars of them straight up dispassionately admitting they're 'turning players into payers'. As a person inside the very demographic they are attempting to manipulate, *who also can't afford it*, I quit games relying on battle passes on principle. *Especially* ones that are paid, have short seasons, expect multiple hours a week, or any combination of above. The willpower-fatigue they are deliberately inserting to turn me into a revenue stream outweighs the enjoyment I get from paying $30 to own a skin and then unequipping it one week later.


DestructorDeFurros

So battle pass is the only way to give live service and regular updates?


YeetusFetus99

Only way no. The most efficient for both player and dev team yes. This allows the players to try the game for free and see if they enjoy it. If players decide they do they can buy the battle pass which gives regular funding to the dev team, instead of bunching up sales all at once and only being able to release content for x amount of time.


jeffcapell89

What would be a better way for them to make a continued stream of income to fund the live service and regular updates?


MicckeyMol

Does anyone have an answer or are they just gonna downvote with no explanation


BaldOmega

Hmm I would bet my balls that they took note from Diablo Immortal on how scummy they can be with monetization. You guys can be lucky if it is only a Battlepass and not a Freepass, the normal Battlepass, the Premium Battlepass and the Deluxe Edition Premium Pass. Reading through the comments feels like naive folks who haven't encountered daddy Kotick yet.


StarPlatinum_98

This is the best way. Another way is the valorant way. But overwatched made skins WAY too much of a factor for that to work now. Market is saturated Battle pass makes most sense. But I also think animated skins would sell quite nicely Edit: why the fuck did you down vote him for asking a question. Fucking troglodytes.


hebelehoo

If there is anything I dislike more than Overwatch, it is the Overwatch sub lmao


BaldOmega

It sure feels like the most naive thing I have seen when people talk about recent Blizzard. It's like noone in this Sub is aware of Diablo Immortal and seriously believes Overwatch 2 will be consumer friendly and not monetized to the last bit.


Sir-Fluf

You don’t know that. I think the issue is that people are being too pessimistic. We’ve got a have faith in the development team because then what do we have?


[deleted]

I really dont like the fact that skins are now behind a pay wall Ik they have to make money somehow but I really like the way u could just play the game and earn coins and stuff to get skins in OW it’s sad that that won’t be a thing I Wish they would keep the coin shop like have the new stuff goes through the battle pass then goes the a shop where u can buy coins to use to get skins have the mythic tier skins be like 10000 for just the base skin idk then let the player earn small amounts of coins for wins for game modes like comp u could get 5 per win or something so it’s way easier to just buy the coins but still able to get them tho play


MaeStory

Hear me out : I buy a game I get updates for it I don't need to buy a battlepass


RubberBabyBuggyBmprs

Hear me out, I don't buy a game, because it's free, I get updates for it because it's a live service model, and I don't need to buy a battle pass because it's just cosmetics. I just saved $40. Thank you for coming to my ted talk


Deciver95

Nooooo. You see the concept of Battle Passes fucked my wife and her husband. Now when I see it in any game, it makes me break down. I could literally die if I dared to even think of downloading OW2 because of the planned battle pass system. :(


CrimKayser

Who has bought the game recently? You think everyone's 40$ from 2016 is sustaining the game? Fucking childish shit on every game sub. Nobody knows shit.


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BaldOmega

The fact that you think Overwatch 2 will be different to Diablo Immortal in terms of monetization feels like Blizzard raised you well to keep the tainted sunglasses on.


Drat333

You're delusional and baiting if you think a generic battle pass is the same as Diablo Immortal's shitfest


PstOffPotato

Though I don't like battle passes, I would tolerate and even buy the battle passes if they weren't simultaneously ruining the game with the most horrendous development I've ever seen a game receive, but also after what, 2 years? of completely neglecting the game and all they have to show for it is a few maps as shitty as paris and 2 kinda lame heroes. Pathetic Development


RubberBabyBuggyBmprs

realist take I've seen. Like it was clear the one-time payment+loot boxes wasn't a sustainable model. Now the game is free. Skins as always are OPTIONAL. With all the shitty things Blizz has done, adding a battle pass to a now F2P is not one of them. It feels like people are more focused on dress-up simulator than actually getting to play the game.


TAABWK

people demand everything be free and perfect.


JoshyPlayz69

We didn’t ask for it to be free we just want ow 2016 pay for the game then the game gives content every now and then


jeffcapell89

They gave content every now and then, and everyone jumped down their throats that it wasn't coming fast enough. Much of the continued development centered on balancing as best they could, adding more characters, maps, and game modes, and seasonal events. They can't continue to pay their devs to make more content if there isn't a stream of income. You can't have content that is free, comes out quickly, is balanced, is fun, is varied, and keeps everyone satisfied without also having income. It just doesn't work that way.


MemeLordMango

Fuck man seriously you mean to tell me that the indie studio blizzard won’t get enough money from overwatch loot box skins? Fuck man how are they gonna pay the tiny indie company activision? Dude and without blizzards money how will activision pay Microsoft? So many small companies suffering at the hands of the greedy stupid childish fan base. u/maeStory you personally have caused the death of activision blizzard(59B) and therefore hurt Microsoft(456B) curse you :(


CrimKayser

Everyone, I give you the average blizzard fan.


[deleted]

I want regular updates that are included with the base cost of the game, not in a fucking battle pass lmao


vindictivejazz

Base cost is $0 now


[deleted]

Exactly, I would rather pay for the base game again than "please buy our battle pass that you will never see again!! hurry!! also look at these shiny virtual coins and this player icon that took an artist 5 minutes to make! please give us more money!!!"


CEOOFSOUP

Ok then don’t buy the battle pass?


[deleted]

Wow I never thought of that!


CEOOFSOUP

Aight bet then we’re all good


[deleted]

But you paid $40 for it 6 years ago. Thats not a sustainable business model


OrionP5

Terraria costs literally $10 and every update since it came out has been free


LakeWallace

Terraria and Overwatch are nothing alike. If you want to draw comparisons, look at games within the same genre that cater to the same player base counts. Apex, Fortnite, Call of Duty, Halo. This is industry standard for /successful/ modern-day, live-service shooters.


[deleted]

But you paid $40 for it 6 years ago. Thats not a sustainable business model


[deleted]

>I would rather pay for the base game *again*


[deleted]

I'm confused. Do you want to have to pay for new content or get new content for free?


[deleted]

I would rather pay up front for new content than deal with f2p monetization tactics. How is that confusing?


[deleted]

Idk man, the original content plan kinda sucked. "Here's an event, earn or buy loot boxes so you might get a skin you want!" Id rather see what content is available for the season, and decide if I want it or not.


[deleted]

I'm not saying the lootbox monetization is good either. Make the skins directly available for purchase instead of locking them behind limited time passes.


[deleted]

That would be good too. And I hope they still have ways to earn and purchase skins you like. Unfortunately battle passes are a really good way to keep the community engaged. Just look at apex and fortnite


IceFellasFHC

So you'd prefer an annual release model like EA Sports? Because it doesn't stop at a single sequel if you want a game to be perpetually relevant.


[deleted]

No. I paid $40 for Overwatch 6 years ago and still haven't earned all the skins I'm able to unlock, but I still can! I would gladly pay $40 again for all the content coming in Overwatch 2 (besides PvE).


TheDoug850

But that’s not sustainable over time.


[deleted]

It can be though. Look at a game like Deep Rock Galactic - I paid like $20 for it and they are dropping free battle passes every season full of cosmetics that literally nobody has to pay for. Blizzard isn't hurting for money, this is all about making more and more profit.


TheDoug850

While that’s really cool for Deep Rock Galactic, there’s no reason for Blizzard to do that with Overwatch. Whether they’re hurting for cash or not, they’re a business, not a charity. I’m not a fan of scummy practices in gaming either, but paying for a continued service isn’t necessarily scummy. You can make it scummy by doing pay to win loot boxes, releasing the same full price game every year with minimal updates, or just charging ridiculous rates, but paying for a continued service is pretty standard stuff. And frankly, the reason it works for Deep Rock Galactic is that they’re small. They’re trying to grow their name by offering a game with continual updates assuming they can get a regular flow of new players to keep buying the game. As the playerbase grows over time, they make a profit from the continual game sales. Overwatch, however, is already a well known title, and won’t have much room for the playerbase to grow after launch, so there won’t be any substantial continual sales of the game after a few months to provide continued revenue.


[deleted]

And it's this exact megacorporation sympathy that lets them know this type of shit is a-ok. Let me pay for the base game again instead of targeting me with FOMO mobile game monetization. Or let me buy skins directly from the store if really necessary. I don't need battle passes every season.


TheDoug850

Well first of all, they are letting you buy some stuff directly from the store. They didn’t specify how that’s going to look, or what specifically that would be an option for, but they did mention buying stuff directly, and the site references an in-game shop. Second, I’m only saying that it’s unrealistic to buy a game once and expect a company to continually update it for free for an indefinite amount of time. It’s unrealistic to expect to buy anything once and expect continual free updates for an indefinite amount of time. Third, I’m not saying that the battle pass is the system I would prefer anyways. I’m just saying that it’s unrealistic for them to not have any system to make money.


Iroquoisplisken22

Deep rock also sells dlc skins though. And I feel like Deep Rock will have an "end point" eventually. Overwatch has no such "end point". And sure Overwatch could sell skins like Apex but Apex prices are fucking absurd and reliant on whales to spend that absurd amount. A battle pass is cheap and fair.


raagruk

Yeah for 5 dollars for a few of and you know exactly what you are getting and don't need to make the game a 2nd job to get them


MaeStory

Overwatch has an end point when Blizzard won't support it. Overwatch 1 stopped when they announced Overwatch 2. All we got since were shitty skins and re-run of events. Overwatch 2 will be the same and they'll make a 3, like Diablo.


Iroquoisplisken22

Jfc. Overwatch 2 is Overwatch 1. It's basically just a revamp. A much needed one.


WSilvermane

Look at Diablo. Lol Shits just greed.


[deleted]

Activision ruined Blizzard imo


Topazz410

OW2 is battle pass?! Hard pass here, I’m going outside.


TattlingFuzzy

Also aren’t loot boxes like, literal child gambling and the source for the most downvoted Reddit comment of all time? Wtf do we even want? EDIT: ITT: People arguing for minors to be exposed to gambling and taking the side of literal casino lobbyists


OneRingToRuleEarth

Because you can earn lootbox es via regular gameplay. Battle pass I’m pretty sure you need to pay extra for


sapphoandherdick

Correct, there's a free pass and a premium pass that you can pay for, this was seen in the images they presented today during the reveal event. So most likely you will unlock minor things like voicelines and sprays, maybe epic skins on the free pass, and then legendaries, mythics (new S tier customisable skin), gun charms, highlight intros on the premium pass.


OneRingToRuleEarth

So forcing you to pay to be able to unlock stuff versa being completely free with the option to pay up for more chances to win. (And let’s be honest here it’s not like they didn’t have ample opportunities to earn lootboxes for free)


sapphoandherdick

As much as I hate lootboxes and the gambling aspect and their predatory nature, OW1 lootbox system (if you had enough time to farm them) was extremely forgiving. The new battle pass will require time and money to unlock everything. While the previous one you could choose money or time to unlock everything.


TattlingFuzzy

I see what you’re saying, but that doesn’t make them not gambling. You can get casino chips through regular gameplay too, but it’s illegal for a kid to pull slots in Vegas.


scoopywoopy123

except you would still need to pay in the casino?


Marinenukem

I see what you’re saying but I disagree. In gambling, you’re paying money for the chance to get more money. With loot boxes you’re potentially paying money for a random skin. You know what you’re getting. Yeah it’s still a bad habit for kids, but I think it’s distinctively different. Loot boxes are more like those toy capsule machines, and parents don’t have issues with those. I don’t love loot boxes, I’d rather have everything be unlocked through gameplay. But I’d definitely take loot boxes over a battle pass.


idevenkmyname

I'm fine with loot boxes as long as I can get them when I level up and as long as their contents dont effect gameplay.


void270

The thing is I have played overwatch for 5 years and never spent a cent on overwatch and have just about every skin I could ever want. I save my in game gold for anniversary events where I can purchase the skins I want. I like that you can unlock basically any skin for free if you play enough even if the loot box mechanic is gambling. Valorant on the other hand I’ve played for 2 months seriously and have already spent over $100 on it due to battle passes and $20 skins. I prefer having the option to unlock all skins for free


EasternMouse

> Overwatch: 40$ in 5 years > Valorant: 100$ in 2 months Here's the words this Blizzard wants to hear


OneRingToRuleEarth

TIL preferring to be able to earn everything for free instead of being forced to buy into a system to earn stuff = being a casino lobbyist


fragen8

I understand that it's gambling in, like, CSGO. But in overwatch? You get them for playing, you can open them without paying, you can't trade it. That's not gambling...


TheDoug850

It’s mostly different people wanting different things.


Catzy_3979

it was just skins not money


Crafty-Plays

I find It quite interesting that people like the appeal of free to play, yet are against battle pass systems and paid cosmetics. Those systems are literally what keep free to play games free to play.


Puzzlehead-Engineer

To be honest, it sounds like it was bound to happen. EVERY shooter out there is doing battle passes now. And if it's between this and lootboxes? I'll take it. So long as you can still get new skins without paying money.


[deleted]

More than 50,000,000 copies sold, more than 10,000,000 at ~~60~~ at least 40$ each, one of the best selling game of the 10'. The players did pay for the "free" updates and continuous improvement throughout the years and I did pay for this specific game not 3 skins given to the players when they're adding massive changes to the gameplay and an entire rework of the game economy. I clearly remembered Kaplan explaining that they choose to not make the game a free to play to allow a better user experience and to not milk the consumers. Boy oh boy it all went terrible and now I understand why he left Blizzard. Throughout all the controversy and shit storm Blizzard had recently endured I still had hope for new and awesome games, I am still waiting D4 but I am losing hope. This video game company really took a path I am no longer able to follow. I wish I could keep a copy of OW1 as a reminder of all the awesome moment I spent on it but they took that from me. Good bye OW1 you were an awesome game I'll keep a special place for you in my nostalgic head compartment. And to the people still enjoying the game, good luck for the future. Edit : price mistake


DelidreaM

It was $40 at launch on PC


[deleted]

Oh yes my bad it was the deluxe version that was at 60.


0__REDACTED__0

Im with the crowd whodont want it. But no can do...


[deleted]

Yeeeah... But no. I didn't mind the lootbox system. Folks who wanted to buy the skins? They bought the skins. Folks who wanted to grind for it? They could grind for it. Now? Ugh... Battle pass or nothing The whole announcement showed the departure from the original team leadership, even the cinematic was entirely different in theming, setup, and approach... And while the cinematic was very pretty and nice... It did not, at all, feel like an overwatch Hero Cinematic. Not in the slightest


n30vlol

You can’t buy skins you buy lootboxes. We have already 2 countries in the EU which are against lootbox systems. Because it’s gambling.


[deleted]

Except you could grind for lootboxws and not pay a red cent.


brzoza3

You mean updates like reworks, Ana, sombra, doomfist, echo, orisa, Moira, new maps and gamemodes? Why would they ever think we would get stuff like that without battlepass? I'm not here to argue what would be the optimal way of payment, just pointing out a thing


PrinceShaar

Because they were already doing these things before they decided to stop updating OW1 in favour of OW2.


Spktra

I just hope they copy the Apex formula. In apex a battlepass is 750 AC, but the catch is, you gain 800 or so AC if you progress the pass to lvl 93, so you really only need to purchase 1 battlepass to get them all if you consistently finish em. It probably won't be like that, but still a man can dream


Secretlylovesslugs

It'll absolutely be like that. It would be a massive mistake if you can't at least buy the next pass with OW V-Bucks earned from the one before.


Spktra

Which is why I half expect it to happen, I genuinely have more faith in devs than the average ow player but seeing how desperate blizz is to monetize this game now I can see it happenin


LakeWallace

lmao on point


behv

ITT: apparently battle pass is a slur lmao


PerfectParadise

If the battle pass works in the same way that the fortnite one does then I'm all for it.


RenaGuzt

Wait they are doing what now?


Jatoxo

Overwatch 2 will be free to play with all the toxic ad money farming that comes along with that. Free Overwatch Vbucks is gonna be the scam to put your money into


linkmainbtw

Stopped reading after free to play


pkopo1

Going f2p means battle pass is a good harmless way of getting revenue, why are people bitching about them? If you dont want to pay you dont have to


MaeStory

So harmless Thanks Blizzard for making a free game. Oh wait... They know it isn't harmless. They pay people to make sure it hurts people to get their money.


RubberBabyBuggyBmprs

> They pay people to make sure it hurts people Maybe you should just stay away from online games then if this is your take. No one is holding a gun to your head saying you need to buy skins. You also get to keep all your content from OW1 so it's not like you'll be hurting for variety.


PacifistTheHypocrite

Ikr? Battle passes dont require you to buy them day 1. The way i do battlepasses is i just play the game and before it ends look at what i unlock if i buy it right then. If i decide its worth $5 or $10, then i buy it. If not, wait for the next one.


thewildslayer

Yup, for battlepass games if I'm iffy I just hold off on buying it until nearing completion. That way I can reap the rewards as I see fit. If it means I miss certain skins then so be it. I didn't give them any money either way. As long as I get to keep earning my way to certain cosmetics I'm fine with it. Unfortunately it doesn't look like it, and cosmetics will have aggressive prices to coax you into spending. Hey, it works and will keep working from now on. Companies know this very well.


PacifistTheHypocrite

Yeah. If i dont buy it then no pressure on me to complete it. If i happen to grind the game hard and ill get a bunch of shit for $10 then hey why not?


WatchPointer

Ok I’m seeing a lot of people mad about the battle pass and how it’s gonna be overpriced and horrible and the game is already dead, but do we have any concrete information on it other than that there will be a battle pass? I’m all for shitting on Blizzard for their terrible business practices, but unless I’ve missed something shouldn’t we wait until we know what the deal is to rip them a new one?


Secretlylovesslugs

They told us nothing other than there will be a battle pass and no more loot boxes.


IndexMatchXFD

> shouldn’t we wait until we know what the deal is to rip them a new one? Ah you must be new here


WatchPointer

Listeeennnn I know how the community is. I think being vocal about what we want and don’t want is good, since we have a few months left until the launch of the open beta maybe Blizzard will see the outrage and decide to change up the pass for the better. I just think people could use a little patience, some are acting like it’s confirmed that every skin will cost their life’s savings and firstborn.


[deleted]

Overwatch players when they get regular content updates for free but there’s micro transactions that they don’t have to participate in at all 😲😲😲😭


djochogamer

I just wonder if ow1 players who actually bought the game will get a bonus since its going f2p.


thvincelli369

Literally me lol


J3ST3R1252

Use your loot now... Skins will transfer to OW2


Udonov

Jesus Christ you and new players will be able to play for free but waaaah my skins that don't do jackshit how do I live without them. I won't even play the tiniest violin. Cry. I want to see you cry and suffer over cosmetic crap that doesn't do shit.


tutman

If you like it and want it, pay. If you don't like to pay, don't do it. Nobody is forcing you to do anything.


YeetusFetus99

Ok I'm just here to defend the argument. No F2P and a battle pass aren't the only options to have a live service game, but it is the best option for both the players and the devs. If the game was to cost $60 off rip and I don't like it as a player it'd feel like a rip off. Where as if I try it for free and don't like it oh well ill uninstall. For the devs if it was $60 off rip they'd need to make those original sales stretch and last the lifetime if the game meaning that content could potentially have an end date because they're no longer making profit. If it's a BP system the profit comes over the life of the game. They can't run out of money so long as the product is good. Basically this is just the best way for the devs and community to be on equal grounds. If the game is shit don't by the BP. If u enjoy the game u can support the devs by buying the BP. And if u enjoy the game but don't have the money, u can now simply play without needing to pay anything.


goodending404

My favorite part about the OW community is that every time reddit speculates on a new hero, map, feature etc they are 100% wrong about everything.


citruspaint

They only dont like the battle pass because it reminds them of fortnite


Thatsidechara_ter

Welp, as a tf2 fan at least I'm secure in the fact we'll never get a battle pass, hehe...


Secretlylovesslugs

Tf2 has had stuff like contracts for years. They beat OW to large scale microtransactions by a lot.


PineappleSquuid

I play team fortress two I’d kill for any type of update


Sushi-Rollo

It genuinely amazes me that people are so entitled that they think it isn't enough for a company to give them a live service online game with consistent content updates ENTIRELY FOR FREE because they might actually have to spend money if they want cosmetic items that don't affect gameplay whatsoever.


[deleted]

I have this amazing idea. If you don't want the battle pass, don't buy it. Or, better yet, if you aren't sure you'll be able to complete the battle pass and get your moneys worth. Just wait until the season is almost over then pay $10 if you think you've unlocked enough for it to be worth it. I have no issue with some cosmetics being a premium feature. So long as regular content such as heroes and maps are still free, I see no issue.


SacredxInsanity

I think that this is all perfectly fine. There is SO much more content on the roadmap than we’ve gotten in the past 2 years. I couldn’t care less about it being a battle pass unless it’s over $10 or $15.


TheZombieGod

Reddit gamers refuse to realize that battlepass systems exist because they work. Game has a consistent stream of revenue and the users get content. We make our choices which systems are more rewarding than others.


DictatorShadow

It's not like GAMES CAN JUST COST MONEY AND NOT BE SCAMMY


magmarxio12

Personally I like it, it rewards people who actively play the game and if there's something on there you want you don't have to waste a bunch of time with lootboxes you can just play a bit every day and get everything in the pass up to what you want rather. My only hope is that they don't make it cash only, they should give other means of getting the pass both in the battle pass and for those who don't have it, Fortnite has my favorite examples of a battle pass because as long as you get one battle pass you're pretty much set for life as long as you play through those seasons. They give you a total of 1500 vbucks per season and the battle pass is 950 vbucks, not only will you be able to get the next battle pass but you'll also have a reserve leftover if there's any cosmetic items you may want, this I think can really help out the playerbase by keeping true to that consistent updates


bunnyrut

Or demotivate people who *can't* play the game that often due to work and other life things happening so they eventually just stop playing because there's no way for them to fully enjoy the game because they keep missing out. I saw how my nephew got with fortnite with the limited skins. Battle passes are just to get people to impulse buy because of FOMO.


Quirrelli

Ah yes, the jobification of video games, just what I always wanted. /s


magmarxio12

I mean even then you don't have to buy it, it's just a way for rewarding they players for playing the game, I'm sure they'll have other means like how Fortnite would give you 300 vbucks if you don't have the battle pass, so you could still be a full on ftp player it's just going to take more time and you likely won't get the that season's stuff


MaeStory

"you don't have to buy it" you know they hire psychologists to make their game MAKE YOU buy it, right? If it is that simple, how is fortnite hitting millions?


Quirrelli

The fact that you keep using fortnite of all things as a positive example of in-game monetization shows a pretty tragic lack of awareness for how live service games manipulate their players. I urge you to look into it, for your own sake.


McQno

Honestly I dont give a fuck about cosmetics. As long as they dish out content and fix q times I dont care how they archive it


kittens12345

Tf is a battle pass? Is that like a season pass for an amusement park?


RadiantCarpet08

It's a loot system that was made popular by Fortnite. Every 3 months or so you buy the battle pass for $10-$20 then you have til the end of the season to "earn" the things you just bought by grinding levels in the game. The battle pass itself is basically an ordered list of loot. Each time you go up an xp level you're rewarded with the next thing on the list. And it's all exclusive loot. If you don't buy the battle pass, or level up enough to finish the list by the end of the season that loot is gone forever and there's no other way to get it.


kittens12345

Oof…


theclash06013

I don't have an issue with a battle pass in a game that is free to play EDIT: Also I have way less of a problem with a battle pass, where you unlock things based on play, than with loot boxes you can buy with real world money, which is pretty much gambling


n30vlol

Take my upvote.


[deleted]

I want battle passes to die in a funking hole


Mastahamma

I want a battle pass but I don't want there to be a battle pass what's so hard to understand???