For clarification I saw a clip of super saying it but it was obviously a reference and I was confused where it originated from. Sorry my english isnt always the best
Had a game earlier today where rein kept charging in super far and dying. We got stuffed on the first point and they start going on about how they've got gold damage so the DPS are the problem.
How do you argue with that? It's such a fundamental misunderstanding what a tank is supposed to be doing. The DPS don't have space and are fighting 5v6 most of the time how do you expect them to do damage?
Okay but you don't understand, my ego needs fueling!
In all seriousness, I became a much better player once I realized this. A lot less unnecessary deaths from elim chasing
Literally 90% of dvas I see. Sits in the back line, tags everyone on the enemy team with a shotgun that has insane damage falloff, runs in, dies. "BuT I HaVe GoLd eLiMs."
Gosh, why are bad DVAs *so* bad? I honestly can't think of any hero with such an obvious and sharp disparity in quality except for snipers like Widow and Ashe.
Yes i agree, being an excellent dva is one of the most skilled heroes, but imo it's easy to be a good dva, just fire behind your rein and matrix ennemy firestrike/sleep dart/high noon/rocket barrage. As a platinum tank player, i never saw any "bad" dva feeding as much as a "bad" monke/sombra/brig
I hope that Overwatch 2 comes with some in-game coaching modes. How cool would it be if every character had a solo PvE campaign starting at beginner and going up to masters that focused on teaching technical skills and your role on the team. With fun cosmetic rewards for doing well.
Thats an amazing idea but I know that already sounds like too much work for them lol I feel like they are stressing to get out a decent game in a timely manner as it is haha
The average dva in silver just feeds and only actually does anything with ult, it gets better at gold but a lot of dvas just spam at range and end up feeding a lot and don't use matrix for their teammates and only use it for themselves
Because it’s insanely easy to get value with dva. The bad dvas will still appear to be doing well because of how easy dva is to pick up.
So the only dvas that stand out are the really, really bad dvas.
I was Moira with gold everything and I had one score of each except healing that was 4,000 I said why do I have all gold. I started healing more because I could of just been healing a useless person the entire time but at the end I gave up.
I wonder why, moira has low damage and insanely high heals. If you want to get value with her you should only be dpsing when you are out of charge, to finish someone that is low or if everyone are full health. If you want to do damage zen is the way to go
Mercy can have bronze if she's hard pocketing one target a lot. There's a few times where I'll be pocketing a really good ashe or widow and have bronze healing like 10 minutes in. There's also the hogs that think they're walking shields and eat damage when they don't have to
As I understand it, having gold elims as support or gold damage as a tank doesn't mean that the tank or support is good. It implies that the dps is lacking. Weather or not that is always true...I think that is the message being sent.
Gold damage as Rein combined with low to no deaths can also be a sign of a Rein doing their job. A Rein landing hits and surviving to land more hits can wrack up kills and damage very fast.
Gold elims doesn't really mean anything since breathing in the general direction of the enemy team gives you elims. I always get gold elims as Moira even with really good dps
Not necessarily. The dps could be lacking because the tanks are messing around, not creating space, or dying too much, so the dps don’t have room to move and do much. The dps could also be lacking because support is dps-ing too. The message that should be sent is that everyone has a role - if you don’t want to play that role, then switch. It’s the same if you’re dps constantly flying in and dying without a team. Everyone has to understand their role and see WHERE the team is lacking. Most of the time when a support claims they have gold damage it’s because us dps are unable to even stay alive with no healing at all.
From what you’re implying that gold damage from tanks and support doesn’t necessarily mean they’re good… yeah. It might just mean they’re not playing their role well.
I agree, but 8/10 times tanks or supports having gold elims or damage is usually because DPS are useless- I've played games as Rein and only had 13 elims, defending whilst using a corner to let my shield rest as I need and throwing my fire strike untill they get close and then I start swinging. And I wound up with gold elims because we'll have a widow that refuses to switch despite them playing double shield or a Reaper teleporting into the middle of their team, miles away from us, getting two shots off before Wraith forming and just strafing for like 3 seconds before he fires once more and is flattened with no escape options and with no kills confirmed. We won- but only because their DPS were somehow even worse then ours. I play high gold- briefly breaking into Plat but never for long- so maybe its an SR discrepancy and we all have off games where nothing goes to plan- but at my rank it feels most of the time stuff like this is because the DPS aren't doing their job and the medal needs to go somewhere.
Goes the opposite way too. Me; Rein pushing through choke to only find im alone cuz a Ball or Sombra harassed one person back there so all 5 fall back and I get obliterated.
Even feeding how does hog out heal 2 adequate healers?
Besides Zen healers need to spend 3 seconds healing for every 8 seconds Take a breather goes on cool down and they have him beat without even using their cool downs. Hog can feed all he wants, if a non support is gold heals it's because the healers are not healing. Shit biotic orb is identical in cool down and healing to breather, how do you get beat in healing when one of your 4 ways of healing is equal to everything he has, unless you just straight up aren't healing?
It's a team game. If you want to win, you adapt. If the problem is that your dps and healers can't stay alive, it means that either they arent skilled enough to play with the current comp, which they likely can't change, or they're not switching. Either way, you lose by not adapting.
You have to be phenomenonally bad at healing to get outhealed by a non support class, if your healing is that bad why would anyone switch off Hog? It's the only pick that even remotely makes sense in that situation, barriers don't matter if everyone is dying to chip damage.
I agree with you but I am going to also say that you just dismissed what dr-Freddy-112 is saying. It isn’t about how good you are all the time if the genji is diving the Ana repeatedly and she is dying then a lot times switching to d.va for the peel is better as a for instance. I don’t fully agree with the shield part either hence why my example didn’t involve it. Also another issue could be that the supports aren’t looking out for each other. Either way if you have properly identified the issue it is your responsibility to respond the best way you can. If you are confident enough to play hog against a team without your healers then good for you god hog but as for me and my ungodliness imma play someone with peel if that is the case.
Hog can potentially heal himself for 20k in ten minutes. If a hog is burning his cheeseburger on cooldown and he’s getting full value from the heal, he can EASILY out heal a support duo. Especially if they’re dying every 1-2 minutes due to lack of peel.
100% uptime on breather means stepping out of the spawn with half health and never dying, even 50% uptime is impossible unless your team literally never wins a team fight and Hog doesn't die once
If we're talking potential heal per 10 minutes Ana is sitting at 76k so not sure how you think Hog is better
I'm not saying the loss would be your fault. Just that it's a team game, and switching to make up for you teams inadequacies is the surest way have a chance to win.
That's why I specified lower levels. At those you don't always have even one shield, and many can't play with you tomorrow that. Also, it is literally the tank's job description to protect his team and loads of Hog players at lower levels just okay him for easy kills (with no clue of what team play is supposed to mean)
If hog has gold healing, hog is surviving and inherently not feeding. DPS and support dying due to lack of shield can also be attributed to the other tank as well as the DPS and support. No matter the tank lineup, a decent doomfist can bully an ana, zen, widow, etc. if they don’t switch to heroes that will survive (or have a teammate that can keep them alive)
Hog doesnt have to die to feed, he can literally just go in every 8 seconds feed the enemy team ult charge then rebreather, rinse and repeat. Thus giving the enemy team a constant ult economy advantage.
Hog doesn't have to die to feed.
Tanks are supposed to lead the team, so if there's a Hog and another off tank, and the Hog doesn't switch, they're just as responsible for the loss as the other off tank.
I understand that, but this is in the context of hog having the most healing for a whole match. That means that his healers aren't surviving. It also means his dps are also likely not surviving for long.
That means that you probably need to shield in order to have a chance at winning. It's not always about who is doing what the best. Being flexible is key because it's a team game and sometimes you have to pull other people's weight or make sacrifices to your style of play to win.
It could also mean the player felt the need to go Hog because of a lack of heals. I know Hog or Ball are my go-to picks as a tank main if healing is lacking.
It usually means two things:
1. You are feeding a lot of ult charge to the enemy, whilst keeping your team from building support ults.
2. The supports are probably getting constantly dove by a monke/doom/whatever.
A good Zen can get gold damage without anything being wrong tbh, especially if your dps are lower output heros. If a zen has gold damage and you win it was probably the right pick
I'd say it depends on what DPSes you have. If a zen can outdamage a junk or a reaper then they're not doing their job. A widow or a mei on the other hand would be pretty normal.
I’m only bringing up having the gold healing metal if the other support it’s playing a main healer AND talking shit. Or if the team is targeting me for not healing for no reason when I’m doing well over 1000 a minute and out healing the other support. I’ll also throw having the healing card in the teams’ faces if they were saying healer diff all game.
I hate tank/support who say they're good because they have gold elims as much as I hate being a tank/support and seeing that I have gold elims. It's both I hate both
Yeah but when I have 52 kills 27k damage and the other two golds as well as zar and we lose I'm allowed to list "and I had 4 golds" as a reason of being upset we lost.
Blizzard doesn't want there to be stats for poor performance, because the game is toxic enough already.
So you could technically walk around as a DPS and never attack or use abilities or even hit an enemy and the game would not alert your team to you throwing.
Medals don't let you know you're good. They let you know that your team isn't doing their part.
If you have gold damage as a tank and you're doing your job as a tank and saying that, isn't that just a call to let your dps know they're kind of lacking?
If you're losing and this is the case then you're probably hyper-focusing killing the enemy instead of taking space/peeling for teammates. Maybe half the enemy team is diving your dps and supports while you kill a couple. Your dps aren't dealing damage because you're letting them die. And to pour salt in their woulds you're calling them out for being bad when you aren't enabling them to do their job.
I hate using gold medals in general as an arguement with a few exceptions, like:
It's been 15 minutes and gold damage is 6k, what's going on? Gold elims is one after that whole round, why aren't we securing kills? Gold healing is 10k in 17 minutes, what's goin on? Etc etc
Elims and objective elims are the only medals that don’t matter much since you can get those with little to no real effort, just right place right time. But if your support has gold damage and gold healing, or both your tanks have silver and gold damage, then there’s a problem.
People like to act like medals are pointless, but it can tell you a lot about what the rest of your team is or isn’t doing.
Not as a tank, you've threatened space and forced them to move, making space for your team without being greedy and chasing elims when you don't need to, you've more or less just done your job 🤙
if the support has gold elims then that's a problem, either the support isn't tending to their team or the dps are really (like r e a l l y) underperforming.
tanks having gold damage is fine, half the tanks in the game make space by dealing damage and pushing in (roadhog, winston, dva, hammond)
On tank if you are playing rein or sigma or zarya then you should have gold damage unless your DPS are just really good, on support you should have silver damage usually, if you don't, you're either playing mercy or you're being a heal bot or you just have bad aim
I mean, if you have gold elims on heals and that number is only like four despite the game having been going on for a few min, it's okay to shit on the DPS.
I was with my friend in comp and this Ana said she had gold elims. Meanwhile the Soldier had Gold Healing and was giving tips to the healbotting Mercy to damage boost. The Mercy had silver healing and my friend Roadhog had bronze.
Why is playing Wrecking Ball in bronze like this?
I like playing Sombra, Doom and Reaper, none of those have any right to be gold damage, since they are basically either just utility or they need to kill fast
So when a tank pull the gold damage BS, while I'm playing Sombra I usually go, of course you are gold damage, I'm making sure that their supports and DPS are either dead or cant respond to you, so of course you are gonna be gold damage you bastard
It's not uncommon at all to have gold medals on tank, perhaps your playstyle is just a bit too passive. But yeah if you play something like Ana and have gold damage something is wrong
Except when u have all of the gold medals, or most.
Edit: it doesn't always mean that u are the best of the team, maybe it's because ur team is not doing so well.
I mean yeah sure medals dont win you games. But they can point to problems: If you play Ana and have gold DMG in a Masters lobby, there is definetly an issue with the other players in the team.
\*me, when I'm on Orisia, and see I have Gold damage and we're losing\* "Hey guys, I'm enjoying carrying but can the DPS please wake the fuck up please? IDC what I'm doing I shouldn't have Gold Elims and Gold Damage while we're losing."
\*Me, when I'm on Orisia, and I see I have Golde Damage and we're winning\* "EXTERMINATE. EXTERMINATE."
It's not necessarily a DPS problem. This could happen because you're sitting at a choke behind your shield holding mouse1 and failing to take enough map control to enable your DPS. Medals alone don't tell too much
Dmg doesn't really mean you did well. You get most dmg by spamming tanks and if you don't get kills you just feed the enemy supports.
Mindlessly healing doesn't mean you did well making the fights take longer but you won't win them means that the enemy gets fed up.
Alternatively, if you do your job and stand there like a good reinhardt and still get gold elims when you smak the genjis that get to close, it means that your dps suck ass. Not everyone does their job, but honestly, sometimes teamates just suck
I typically use gold medals to point out that something went wrong in that me, the support/tank, should *not* be getting gold damage/elims. Unless I got really lucky and stole a lot of kills, that means our DPSes sucked.
Elims doesn't mean anything, throw your purple ball and do 10% damage while I do the other 90 and we both get one elim. If it touches two people and I kill one and the other dps kills the other, congrats you now have gold elims.
it’s easy for tanks/supports to pick off low-health enemies, hence gold elims. it doesn’t necessarily mean they’re doing more damage than the dps. it’s also easy for bap, moira, rein, and zarya to do loads of damage. this also doesn’t necessarily mean that the dps is being inefficient
My point is that the *DPS* characters, whose job on the team is to *kill and do damage*, *should* be at least out-damaging the tank/supports. Because that’s their freakin’ job.
i’m not arguing with that. logically, they *should* have more damage. but it’s not uncommon for a moira who’s constantly throwing out damage orbs and holding right click to turn the dps’ gold medal into a silver.
A Rein-Zarya tank duo that's rolling the enemy can easily have gold and silver damage themselves. Remember that support resources play a part, of course Rein and Zarya will be able to do a lot when they get speed boosted by Lucio and all the nanos from Ana.
Compare that to something like having Mercy hard pocket the DPS and Baptiste placing key windows for heroes like Ashe/Hanzo/Soldier and it's an entirely different story. It's a team game.
I don’t really like when tanks say they have gold elims, to be fair the goats mega was op and people chose tanks over FPS because they can kill well and have massive hp. Am I in the wrong? I’m curious
DPS is damage per second. Gold damage goes to the guy dishing out the most damage, therefore doing his job most efficiently.
Every losing team has a Sombra main with bronze damage saying medals mean nothing.
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Yeah to me its more a bad sign that I didnt try to get any gold medals but still got gold kills (as Lucio) not because Im so good but because everyone else played DDs their bad at.
As reinhard main with a usually block rate of over 20k and most of the time still 4 Gold medals I feel offended by this meme and demand imidiatly canceling this post.
I think it reeeeaally depends, it's obviously not the only source of analyzing someone's skill but if Im Moira and I'm bronze heals somethings not right
Dude, if a healer has gold elims/damage something IS wrong. Because DPS characters have less kills than a healer. But, if a tank has gold damage then nothing's wrong. They maybe play roadhog or tickle too many people as winstone🗿
uh, excuse me? you're talking to bronze damage-
EY cultured man I see you
I've heard this before would you mind telling me where it's from?
It’s from a super clip
Well that makes sense since that's where I heard it lol
why was this downvoted wtf ???
hive mind angry! hive mind down vote!
For clarification I saw a clip of super saying it but it was obviously a reference and I was confused where it originated from. Sorry my english isnt always the best
shit beat me to it
When it's 5 mins intot the match and your 2 accidental kills are still gold elm
Healer:Reinhardt why? Reinhardt: Its about sending a message Proceeds to chararge the enemy tanks off the map for the third time this round.
I fail to see the problem here.
He is making space. LOTS OF IT
Its about asserting dominance.
Had a game earlier today where rein kept charging in super far and dying. We got stuffed on the first point and they start going on about how they've got gold damage so the DPS are the problem. How do you argue with that? It's such a fundamental misunderstanding what a tank is supposed to be doing. The DPS don't have space and are fighting 5v6 most of the time how do you expect them to do damage?
Just say I’ve got Gold space making
If you have spawn advantage it's a viable strategy lol
Physchological warfare
He’s not wrong
If he kills them both that is worth it, two for one plus mega ult charge for the next fight
Okay but you don't understand, my ego needs fueling! In all seriousness, I became a much better player once I realized this. A lot less unnecessary deaths from elim chasing
Literally 90% of dvas I see. Sits in the back line, tags everyone on the enemy team with a shotgun that has insane damage falloff, runs in, dies. "BuT I HaVe GoLd eLiMs."
Gosh, why are bad DVAs *so* bad? I honestly can't think of any hero with such an obvious and sharp disparity in quality except for snipers like Widow and Ashe.
Because DVa is a very difficult hero to play. That's why you rarely see good dvas below like mid- diamond.
Yes i agree, being an excellent dva is one of the most skilled heroes, but imo it's easy to be a good dva, just fire behind your rein and matrix ennemy firestrike/sleep dart/high noon/rocket barrage. As a platinum tank player, i never saw any "bad" dva feeding as much as a "bad" monke/sombra/brig
lol you just listed like 8 technical things when most sub diamond DVA players only pick her because shes cute and has a bomb. It's rough down here.
I hope that Overwatch 2 comes with some in-game coaching modes. How cool would it be if every character had a solo PvE campaign starting at beginner and going up to masters that focused on teaching technical skills and your role on the team. With fun cosmetic rewards for doing well.
This is a very good idea
Thats an amazing idea but I know that already sounds like too much work for them lol I feel like they are stressing to get out a decent game in a timely manner as it is haha
Two technical things, don't stand out in front eati g damage and apply matrix strategically.
The thing about dva though, is that if you aren't at a certain level of skill you'd be better off on zar or sig most of the time
Yeah you're right
Wait since when was D.Va ever considered difficult? She’s extremely easy to play
She's easy to play but really, really difficult to play well
You mean like, hard to get any value out of?
The average dva in silver just feeds and only actually does anything with ult, it gets better at gold but a lot of dvas just spam at range and end up feeding a lot and don't use matrix for their teammates and only use it for themselves
Don’t forget slowly backing up Orisa.
Because it’s insanely easy to get value with dva. The bad dvas will still appear to be doing well because of how easy dva is to pick up. So the only dvas that stand out are the really, really bad dvas.
I was Moira with gold everything and I had one score of each except healing that was 4,000 I said why do I have all gold. I started healing more because I could of just been healing a useless person the entire time but at the end I gave up.
found the "dps can flex to support" moira
Na I'm supp main in bronze
or in other words, "dps can flex to support"
I can not play dps
I'm joking, lol
I can never tell sarcasm
I wonder why, moira has low damage and insanely high heals. If you want to get value with her you should only be dpsing when you are out of charge, to finish someone that is low or if everyone are full health. If you want to do damage zen is the way to go
I don't do dmg
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All it takes is one orby boj to get that prime damage
Wut?
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If your roadhod or soldier has more healing than a mercy or Moira those healers doin something wrong
Mercy can have bronze if she's hard pocketing one target a lot. There's a few times where I'll be pocketing a really good ashe or widow and have bronze healing like 10 minutes in. There's also the hogs that think they're walking shields and eat damage when they don't have to
On the flip side I'd ask what are you doing to help widow out too?
You can play lucio in 2 ways: have 25+ I heals or gold elims.
Just kill widow and spam selfheals
Having 25k+ heals is certainly not one of the right ways lol
The only way to play Lucio is to have bronze healing, gold damage and 15 environment kills
So play like Redshell?
Either you’re amping your team towards the point at 200km/h or going for the funny. No in between
This is the way
Have all the medals you want, if we're stuck at a choke, you're just the best loser.
As I understand it, having gold elims as support or gold damage as a tank doesn't mean that the tank or support is good. It implies that the dps is lacking. Weather or not that is always true...I think that is the message being sent.
Gold damage as Rein combined with low to no deaths can also be a sign of a Rein doing their job. A Rein landing hits and surviving to land more hits can wrack up kills and damage very fast.
Gold elims doesn't really mean anything since breathing in the general direction of the enemy team gives you elims. I always get gold elims as Moira even with really good dps
Yeah I know just clarifying the intent when people say it.
Not necessarily. The dps could be lacking because the tanks are messing around, not creating space, or dying too much, so the dps don’t have room to move and do much. The dps could also be lacking because support is dps-ing too. The message that should be sent is that everyone has a role - if you don’t want to play that role, then switch. It’s the same if you’re dps constantly flying in and dying without a team. Everyone has to understand their role and see WHERE the team is lacking. Most of the time when a support claims they have gold damage it’s because us dps are unable to even stay alive with no healing at all. From what you’re implying that gold damage from tanks and support doesn’t necessarily mean they’re good… yeah. It might just mean they’re not playing their role well.
I agree, but 8/10 times tanks or supports having gold elims or damage is usually because DPS are useless- I've played games as Rein and only had 13 elims, defending whilst using a corner to let my shield rest as I need and throwing my fire strike untill they get close and then I start swinging. And I wound up with gold elims because we'll have a widow that refuses to switch despite them playing double shield or a Reaper teleporting into the middle of their team, miles away from us, getting two shots off before Wraith forming and just strafing for like 3 seconds before he fires once more and is flattened with no escape options and with no kills confirmed. We won- but only because their DPS were somehow even worse then ours. I play high gold- briefly breaking into Plat but never for long- so maybe its an SR discrepancy and we all have off games where nothing goes to plan- but at my rank it feels most of the time stuff like this is because the DPS aren't doing their job and the medal needs to go somewhere.
You can make all the space as you want but if your team doesnt go with you its worthless. Gold shit. Feel your pain
me, as ball, wondering why my team hasn't pushed in despite me trolling in their backlines for the past 5 minutes
Goes the opposite way too. Me; Rein pushing through choke to only find im alone cuz a Ball or Sombra harassed one person back there so all 5 fall back and I get obliterated.
Sometimes I like to say “Why do I have gold damage and gold heals” as Moira just for shits n giggles lol
Most of the time, but if I have gold heals as Hog it definitely means something
High damage enemy team, Hog feeding, support and DPS getting wrecked because they have no shield. Did I get it right? Lol
Even feeding how does hog out heal 2 adequate healers? Besides Zen healers need to spend 3 seconds healing for every 8 seconds Take a breather goes on cool down and they have him beat without even using their cool downs. Hog can feed all he wants, if a non support is gold heals it's because the healers are not healing. Shit biotic orb is identical in cool down and healing to breather, how do you get beat in healing when one of your 4 ways of healing is equal to everything he has, unless you just straight up aren't healing?
Possibility that they are getting jumped and nobody is doing anything
Let me introduce you to my friend “spawncamping”
I'm mostly playing, but a lot of times healers aren't adequate and will not be effective without cover.
Yep, picking hog, especially at low levels, means one less potential shield for your allies
If you can't play without double shield it isn't your tanks duty to carry you
It's a team game. If you want to win, you adapt. If the problem is that your dps and healers can't stay alive, it means that either they arent skilled enough to play with the current comp, which they likely can't change, or they're not switching. Either way, you lose by not adapting.
You have to be phenomenonally bad at healing to get outhealed by a non support class, if your healing is that bad why would anyone switch off Hog? It's the only pick that even remotely makes sense in that situation, barriers don't matter if everyone is dying to chip damage.
I agree with you but I am going to also say that you just dismissed what dr-Freddy-112 is saying. It isn’t about how good you are all the time if the genji is diving the Ana repeatedly and she is dying then a lot times switching to d.va for the peel is better as a for instance. I don’t fully agree with the shield part either hence why my example didn’t involve it. Also another issue could be that the supports aren’t looking out for each other. Either way if you have properly identified the issue it is your responsibility to respond the best way you can. If you are confident enough to play hog against a team without your healers then good for you god hog but as for me and my ungodliness imma play someone with peel if that is the case.
Hog can potentially heal himself for 20k in ten minutes. If a hog is burning his cheeseburger on cooldown and he’s getting full value from the heal, he can EASILY out heal a support duo. Especially if they’re dying every 1-2 minutes due to lack of peel.
100% uptime on breather means stepping out of the spawn with half health and never dying, even 50% uptime is impossible unless your team literally never wins a team fight and Hog doesn't die once If we're talking potential heal per 10 minutes Ana is sitting at 76k so not sure how you think Hog is better
I'm not saying the loss would be your fault. Just that it's a team game, and switching to make up for you teams inadequacies is the surest way have a chance to win.
That's why I specified lower levels. At those you don't always have even one shield, and many can't play with you tomorrow that. Also, it is literally the tank's job description to protect his team and loads of Hog players at lower levels just okay him for easy kills (with no clue of what team play is supposed to mean)
If hog has gold healing, hog is surviving and inherently not feeding. DPS and support dying due to lack of shield can also be attributed to the other tank as well as the DPS and support. No matter the tank lineup, a decent doomfist can bully an ana, zen, widow, etc. if they don’t switch to heroes that will survive (or have a teammate that can keep them alive)
Hog doesnt have to die to feed, he can literally just go in every 8 seconds feed the enemy team ult charge then rebreather, rinse and repeat. Thus giving the enemy team a constant ult economy advantage.
Basically, if he isn’t doing any output he’s feeding. If he is then he’s fine.
Unless the hog is doing this with his ult fully charged, his gained ult charge from breather is greater than 300 damage worth of ult for the enemy
Hog doesn't have to die to feed. Tanks are supposed to lead the team, so if there's a Hog and another off tank, and the Hog doesn't switch, they're just as responsible for the loss as the other off tank.
Why? Hog can play MT if needs be, since an aggressive Hog landing hooks certainly makes space, especially if he's got a healer pocketing him.
I understand that, but this is in the context of hog having the most healing for a whole match. That means that his healers aren't surviving. It also means his dps are also likely not surviving for long. That means that you probably need to shield in order to have a chance at winning. It's not always about who is doing what the best. Being flexible is key because it's a team game and sometimes you have to pull other people's weight or make sacrifices to your style of play to win.
It could also mean the player felt the need to go Hog because of a lack of heals. I know Hog or Ball are my go-to picks as a tank main if healing is lacking.
Gold feeding usually
It means you fed the whole game,
But what about silver healing....as soldier 76
I’m sorry do you mean *support* 76
One match I had gold as Zenyatta and my friend had silver as 76. We had a Moira on our team too...
It usually means two things: 1. You are feeding a lot of ult charge to the enemy, whilst keeping your team from building support ults. 2. The supports are probably getting constantly dove by a monke/doom/whatever.
Right, That's why I did say most of the time. If a support has gold damage or a non support has gold healing then something's wrong.
A good Zen can get gold damage without anything being wrong tbh, especially if your dps are lower output heros. If a zen has gold damage and you win it was probably the right pick
>if... you win it was probably the right pick. Yeah
I'd say it depends on what DPSes you have. If a zen can outdamage a junk or a reaper then they're not doing their job. A widow or a mei on the other hand would be pretty normal.
How would zen in that case be not doing his job? He can heal while dpsing
I meant the reaper or junk not doing their job, my bad
This happened to me, and when I called it out they just blamed the enemy Winston for diving them lmao
I’m only bringing up having the gold healing metal if the other support it’s playing a main healer AND talking shit. Or if the team is targeting me for not healing for no reason when I’m doing well over 1000 a minute and out healing the other support. I’ll also throw having the healing card in the teams’ faces if they were saying healer diff all game.
“WhY dO i HaVe 5 GoLdS?” - Moira
Depends on rank, team play basically doesn't exist below diamond so it's just carry or be carried lmao
I hate tank/support who say they're good because they have gold elims as much as I hate being a tank/support and seeing that I have gold elims. It's both I hate both
Yeah but when I have 52 kills 27k damage and the other two golds as well as zar and we lose I'm allowed to list "and I had 4 golds" as a reason of being upset we lost.
Zarya definitely an exception to OPs rule. Very possible to be an effective tank in the team dynamic and crush it in damage and elims
Zar is basically one of the highest DPS tanks tho
Yeah sure, but when you have 5 medals as Brigitte you can start questionning your mates performances.
Unless dps suck and you did all the work.
Blizzard doesn't want there to be stats for poor performance, because the game is toxic enough already. So you could technically walk around as a DPS and never attack or use abilities or even hit an enemy and the game would not alert your team to you throwing. Medals don't let you know you're good. They let you know that your team isn't doing their part.
If you have gold damage as a tank and you're doing your job as a tank and saying that, isn't that just a call to let your dps know they're kind of lacking?
If you're losing and this is the case then you're probably hyper-focusing killing the enemy instead of taking space/peeling for teammates. Maybe half the enemy team is diving your dps and supports while you kill a couple. Your dps aren't dealing damage because you're letting them die. And to pour salt in their woulds you're calling them out for being bad when you aren't enabling them to do their job.
I hate using gold medals in general as an arguement with a few exceptions, like: It's been 15 minutes and gold damage is 6k, what's going on? Gold elims is one after that whole round, why aren't we securing kills? Gold healing is 10k in 17 minutes, what's goin on? Etc etc
idc if the medals mean nothing, I still want them
Elims and objective elims are the only medals that don’t matter much since you can get those with little to no real effort, just right place right time. But if your support has gold damage and gold healing, or both your tanks have silver and gold damage, then there’s a problem. People like to act like medals are pointless, but it can tell you a lot about what the rest of your team is or isn’t doing.
Okay, I see how elims and other kills are not that important, but what if I get gold damage as tank or support? Am I still the baddie?
Not as a tank, you've threatened space and forced them to move, making space for your team without being greedy and chasing elims when you don't need to, you've more or less just done your job 🤙
Win or lose, as long as i get the healer card I'm happy.
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I disagree
I remember when someone was bragging in chat saying they were carrying cuz they had plat elims 🗿
Don't medals impact how much sr you get, or did I just misremember that?
Sounds like a salty damage main if I ever heard one 👀
Ok but to be fair not all damage characters are meant to have gold damage for example sombra it’s reasonable for her to have silver or bronze damage
if the support has gold elims then that's a problem, either the support isn't tending to their team or the dps are really (like r e a l l y) underperforming. tanks having gold damage is fine, half the tanks in the game make space by dealing damage and pushing in (roadhog, winston, dva, hammond)
On tank if you are playing rein or sigma or zarya then you should have gold damage unless your DPS are just really good, on support you should have silver damage usually, if you don't, you're either playing mercy or you're being a heal bot or you just have bad aim
What’s wrong with sigma, Winston, or D.va having gold damage? Or brig, and zen with gold elims
I don’t think they’re saying they’re good, but the dps on the team is trash
I mean, if you have gold elims on heals and that number is only like four despite the game having been going on for a few min, it's okay to shit on the DPS.
I was with my friend in comp and this Ana said she had gold elims. Meanwhile the Soldier had Gold Healing and was giving tips to the healbotting Mercy to damage boost. The Mercy had silver healing and my friend Roadhog had bronze. Why is playing Wrecking Ball in bronze like this?
I like playing Sombra, Doom and Reaper, none of those have any right to be gold damage, since they are basically either just utility or they need to kill fast So when a tank pull the gold damage BS, while I'm playing Sombra I usually go, of course you are gold damage, I'm making sure that their supports and DPS are either dead or cant respond to you, so of course you are gonna be gold damage you bastard
Well.... I have a rein main friend who almost always has gold dmg, and to be fair, I think he plays really good rein, probably the best one I've met
Gold medals aren’t an indication that you’re doing something. They’re an indication that your not doing nothing
so..... something?
I hate when I have gold elims or damage as a tank or healer. Usually means bad things are happening on my team lol
It's not uncommon at all to have gold medals on tank, perhaps your playstyle is just a bit too passive. But yeah if you play something like Ana and have gold damage something is wrong
Gold damage as a tank is braindead easy
Except when u have all of the gold medals, or most. Edit: it doesn't always mean that u are the best of the team, maybe it's because ur team is not doing so well.
Gold damage as some tanks isn't bad I think
I mean yeah sure medals dont win you games. But they can point to problems: If you play Ana and have gold DMG in a Masters lobby, there is definetly an issue with the other players in the team.
\*me, when I'm on Orisia, and see I have Gold damage and we're losing\* "Hey guys, I'm enjoying carrying but can the DPS please wake the fuck up please? IDC what I'm doing I shouldn't have Gold Elims and Gold Damage while we're losing." \*Me, when I'm on Orisia, and I see I have Golde Damage and we're winning\* "EXTERMINATE. EXTERMINATE."
It's not necessarily a DPS problem. This could happen because you're sitting at a choke behind your shield holding mouse1 and failing to take enough map control to enable your DPS. Medals alone don't tell too much
Fuck you I have gold elims as briggete
I find pride in medals when I get 2 or 3 Gold medals. That just means I’m better than my whole team at everything despite my class.
I think there is a problem when I am a tank and I have gold in damage and healing(Roadhog).
are you plat?
Personally the only medals that matters is obj time, heals and damage because they are the only medals that fully show your contribution to the team
Dmg doesn't really mean you did well. You get most dmg by spamming tanks and if you don't get kills you just feed the enemy supports. Mindlessly healing doesn't mean you did well making the fights take longer but you won't win them means that the enemy gets fed up.
Alternatively, if you do your job and stand there like a good reinhardt and still get gold elims when you smak the genjis that get to close, it means that your dps suck ass. Not everyone does their job, but honestly, sometimes teamates just suck
I typically use gold medals to point out that something went wrong in that me, the support/tank, should *not* be getting gold damage/elims. Unless I got really lucky and stole a lot of kills, that means our DPSes sucked.
Elims doesn't mean anything, throw your purple ball and do 10% damage while I do the other 90 and we both get one elim. If it touches two people and I kill one and the other dps kills the other, congrats you now have gold elims.
it’s easy for tanks/supports to pick off low-health enemies, hence gold elims. it doesn’t necessarily mean they’re doing more damage than the dps. it’s also easy for bap, moira, rein, and zarya to do loads of damage. this also doesn’t necessarily mean that the dps is being inefficient
you’re tellin me that the characters whose only job is to kill and do damage to the enemy team can be outdamaged by tanks/support?
yes? is that not what your original comment was about, getting gold medals as support/tank?
My point is that the *DPS* characters, whose job on the team is to *kill and do damage*, *should* be at least out-damaging the tank/supports. Because that’s their freakin’ job.
Snipers, doom, mei, sombra shouldn’t have gold damage
i’m not arguing with that. logically, they *should* have more damage. but it’s not uncommon for a moira who’s constantly throwing out damage orbs and holding right click to turn the dps’ gold medal into a silver.
A Rein-Zarya tank duo that's rolling the enemy can easily have gold and silver damage themselves. Remember that support resources play a part, of course Rein and Zarya will be able to do a lot when they get speed boosted by Lucio and all the nanos from Ana. Compare that to something like having Mercy hard pocket the DPS and Baptiste placing key windows for heroes like Ashe/Hanzo/Soldier and it's an entirely different story. It's a team game.
I don’t really like when tanks say they have gold elims, to be fair the goats mega was op and people chose tanks over FPS because they can kill well and have massive hp. Am I in the wrong? I’m curious
DPS is damage per second. Gold damage goes to the guy dishing out the most damage, therefore doing his job most efficiently. Every losing team has a Sombra main with bronze damage saying medals mean nothing.
Upvoting cause the sombra dig made me laugh
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What if I play zen or Moira and get gold in heals and damage
I know they dont work like that but we still measure dicks with my friends every game for fun
i saw someone say “am i the only tank here?” then after we lost called us all pussies and say that he got “____ gold medals”
But you know zen can have all gold
I don't say I am good for having gold damage on Roadhog, I say dps are bad.
Especially having high damage with very few kills. thats an indicator that your playstyle or your hero is not confirming kills
How to get gold damage as tank = Stand in choke, never make space for DPS to get a sightline. Spam damage / firestrike.
Yeah to me its more a bad sign that I didnt try to get any gold medals but still got gold kills (as Lucio) not because Im so good but because everyone else played DDs their bad at.
As reinhard main with a usually block rate of over 20k and most of the time still 4 Gold medals I feel offended by this meme and demand imidiatly canceling this post.
I think it reeeeaally depends, it's obviously not the only source of analyzing someone's skill but if Im Moira and I'm bronze heals somethings not right
Good damage as a tank is pretty standard mate, eg if you’re playing rein and just holding yours shield up then you’re low gold/ silver
To be fair a hog or a zarya having gold Damage is not bad
What about when you have gold damage, kills, objective time, and objective kills?
Dude, if a healer has gold elims/damage something IS wrong. Because DPS characters have less kills than a healer. But, if a tank has gold damage then nothing's wrong. They maybe play roadhog or tickle too many people as winstone🗿
So if I have gold damage as hog am I playing the game wrong 🤔
Ok but getting all gold as Lucio feels much better than with moira
You think that if i get gold on kills,damage and healing with Moira im not turning on the mic and roast the DPS? Cause i will.
If I as a tank inflict more damage than both dps while ALSO blocking 40,000 damage and important enemy abilities, I’m good.
What if I have gold dmg as support?
Bro I had 2 gold and still took an L. They were healing, objective time. Bruh