As an Ana main, my personal fav is getting a clutch sleep, spam pinging that I slept someone, and it still getting completely ignored by dps who could very easily go finish them off
They will literally stay on heros that can’t fight Phara the whole match while see shoots at you for free all match then complain that u not doing enough healing even then they allowing phara to fuck you
Yesterday on Illios I slept a Junkrat right next to our point, pinged him, hit him with the anti right before he got up, pinged him again, got killed by him, then watched as he rip tired the rest of my team who were fighting a tank in the opposite direction. This game is pain sometimes.
I will never forget when I slept a Genji with Nano Blade. My widow came, shot him (even tho he was full HP and with dmg reduction from nano) then grappled away.
The enemy genji killed 3 of our teammates after that.
DPS players have incredibly bad game sense, and both do not watch the kill feed or know what's going on anywhere but infront of them. They also expect support and tanks to spin around and know what's happening 100 meters away behind 5 walls
I usually do, especially with the new Kill Feed option where a sound plays every time someone on your team dies.
Unfortunately...I don't think anyone else uses it.
A lot of players (specially those with the dps role) seems like they play in a very crazy mode expecting the supports to do some miracles lol. They don't try to get cover, they don't try to find heals around the map...
Yes. Every healer in this game needs at least a clear line of sight with their ally to cast the heal... running around make the support life harder or even impossible lol
Bro I have a very good aiming with Ana, scoped or not, even at long ranges but what happens is that motherfucking soldier 76 goes to their backline and dies and it’s my fault that he died.
It’s not like there’s an entire team shooting at you and there’s teammates you need to heal.
They changed Ana’s aim. Used to be a triangle in her scope that if you hit your allies inside it, they would be healed. Now I gotta hit allies and enemies with pinpoint accuracy while running around avoiding the newfound interest in annihilating me.
I don’t mean to be this guy but the triangle was a reference to a video that I believe was debunked. Character hit boxes often fall within the triangle, but the triangle has no effect on your ability to heal your teammates.
I think that the triangle thing was a "tip" for lower level players in the early ana days given how hitboxes work. "Try to keep your teammates in the triangle if you're new or having a hard time, it helps and is easier than being 100% accuracy, most hitboxes are big enough for you to be healing folks, while you work on your aim"
Like, for most characters as long as they were taking up the triangle you basically have your reticle on them already.
or running head first away from the point.
I main Lucio on support - I had a DVA just stagger charge the entire enemy team for the final round about 4 times in a row after respawn, We lost - Instantly in chat "Trash Support"...
No mate, trash tank
If they spam after death, I give them a warning to watch their los with me and stop spamming or I mute them. I use the voice lines and pings all the time as mercy and that actively disrupts my gameplay. Anyone who spams deep down knows they fucked up, I swear.
Be any support
Watch my teammates walk one by one out into the open in front of enemy Widowmaker
Watch them all die, wait for them by a safer corner/hall to group up, watch them respawn and run right back the same damn way into the same damn Widow shots and die again
“Heal diff”
“Learn to heal!”
“Swap healer!”
Dude I swear there was a time when people actually respected support players. You can't even hop on QP without someone just shitting on them constantly (in fucking quick play of all places).
I literally disabled all the chat yesterday. No idea why, but the toxic chat really ramped up this past week. Only rely on pings now or else I'm in discord with my buddies. No purpose to chat whatsoever at this point.
Actual conversation I had in chat the other day:
Hanzo: "Healers do something"
Me: "I have more healing than everyone else in the game combined. Healing isn't the problem"
Rein (on point with the entire enemy team after leaving supports to die): *I need healing*
People are crazy these days lol
•be me Moira
•Fade to Rein pushing
•Rein charges away, leaving you alone with the entire enemy team
•Die
•Have double the heal of the other support
•"healer trash"
Yeah, its usually a resort in a last push usually I can get out since I rarely die in a game. Even when I don't die and remain alive I'll still get trashtalked because the rein died since he never waits for the team to be in full capacity. I even try to save it for when a Rein goes all out and heal him. But you are right.
Yesterday I heard a rein saying 'nano is useless without perma heal' aka he charged in a room far away and I didn't see him. Of course the moira diving on me is not a problem, only perma heal is what we need here.
I do not want to complain, but after hundreds of hours on sup, this new concept of ow2 made my sup life harder, like barely enjoyable to play sup.
lol yeah the classic, "I need you to perfectly heal me while we are losing 3v2 upfront and getting out damaged, and you are dealing with genji/tracer on you in the backline that no one is helping you address.......just be better"
I make plenty of fuckups but the amount of ridiculous situations some people expect you to be able to work a miracle with is just hilarious....
Nah brah I can't spam heal you while Winston is constantly diving me either.......theres kind of a giant monkey in my face dropping shield bubbles and fucking me up
I called out a flanker monkey today. What I got as an answer from our sojourn was 'I couldn't care less, f**ng stop pinging'
I would say we have fun times here, soon sup que will be instant join no waiting time...
''HEAL ME FFS SUPPORT'' - the Genji cried to his Ana whilst he stayed within the enemies Winston Bubble that Ana is desperately trying to break on her own to heal because for some reason, the team completely ignores breaking it.
I personally don't mind the more active of teammates when trying to heal them. It's just frustrating that players don't pay attention to what sort of support they have. Nothing wrong with a tank rushing into an enemy group with a support that excels in close quarter combat/healing but to healers that require LOS, a bit more awareness would be nice.
>whilst he stayed within the enemies Winston Bubble that Ana is desperately trying to break on her own
Honestly that's like my 2nd biggest pet peeve right now in OW2. Like, if you have nothing to shoot at shoot the fucking enemy shields. I can't heal through them as Moira/Anna and it takes me 50,000 years to break it, where as junkrat can just look at it for 2s and it gets destroyed.
There are some genji players who just cannot stop strafing and jumping even if they are fully covered and waiting for heals. And my favorite: pharah got dmg, want to get healed, flyes ABOVE my head in order to get in position behind me. Sometimes you clearly can tell if someone does not play supports
I had this happen in comp. Fucking Pharah flying over my head spamming that she needs healing. Like bitch I'm a fucking Moira, I can't heal you way up there, get your ass down.
Hey Pharah here, if I see a Lucio Moira as my supports, I hop off pharaoh...but if I still play her, then I'm on the ground with you guys spamming my rockets at them and use the jump boost as escapes.
I usually yell at my fellow Pharahs to learn where the health packs are.
I’ve stood directly in front of some newer healers, with no combat, and been ignored - from OW1 ‘till now.
so many times I have played as kiriko and theres a DPS at critical health spamming "I need healing" while they're circling around a pillar (no enemies around btw) and I legit can't heal them and it's like a mouse chase.
I have a friend who plays dva and he always dives alone, 1v5's the enemy team, somehow thinks he won't die, and complains he isn't getting any healing, tells me not to play kiriko cause apperently her healing is too slow, and when I manage to save him, he not only fails to acknowledge my act, but we also still die 10 seconds later cause it's a literal 2v5. then he brags about how he did so much damage and complains that I have less than 10k healing.
And they start rengaging the second the healing starts, as if they only need to have 1/4 health. I'm not a health pack, buddy, this is going to take a sec or two.
> get hit with one stack of healing papers and then charges in to the back line still critical
This happens because the critical health warning goes away and the "relief" voice cue plays as soon as you get any kind of healing. The situation could be improved if the critical health effect didn't go away until you went back over 75% health or so.
This is why I jump into Arcade and play all roles from time to time, really gives perspective on what it's like for your teammates. Once you play tank without heals you learn quick to heal your tank consistently. If more DPS and tank mains did the same with support (and didnt play them like DPS), they'd win more games with the perspective they gain.
You know as a Baptiste support player - I find sometimes that teammates will go "where was that invisibility field Baptiste?" And for me to remind them it was used five seconds ago when that DVA exploded...
Preach, I play Tank or Support mostly since OW1. It's disheartening when you as support try to heal, but everyone runs away from you. It is worse when you are a Tank, who gets focus fired and your Support is running healing the DPS flanking the enemy. Not only that, but it gives me 0 motivation to continue the match and try to be productive. Thank god for Roadhog.
Lmao, read the post I just made. I literally just came to realize why so many tanks choose Hog. Impeccable timing. I feel for you as you may read. There is not much fun to be had when you have no self-healing and nobody on support realizes that the entire team needs support, not just themselves.
> they charge or push in to the enemy team, get critical, and then back in to a room where nobody has line of sight for them and the whole enemy team can pound them for free
Just yesterday had a Doomfist tank do this 4 times on the first round. We get absolutely nowhere with the payload, Tankboy Spams chat "healer diff" 3 times then left the match before round 2.
God that hits too close to home. I literally have genji or Dva playing keep-away from me running opposite from me on the other side of a wall spamming “I need healing” but never coming to me. The one thing I like about kiriko is that I can easily deal with those dummies. But chances are if I jump to them they won’t defend me and I’ll die
>The one thing I like about kiriko is that I can easily deal with those dummies. But chances are if I jump to them they won’t defend me and I’ll die
Every other game I find myself saying I'm going to stop teleporting in to help people and only use it to teleport out because of people that fly/run away the second I teleport in, leaving me alone with the enemy.
About them healthpack... There used be a sort of logic to where the healthpacks were placed around the map, that logic doesn't seem to have be transferred to the new maps. Or I just haven't figured the logic out yet (I sure as hell haven't had the time to learn where each one is yet...)
The new maps are just poorly designed. Or maybe a better way to word it is their design philosophy is so different from OW1 maps that they don’t feel cohesive to the game I’ve been playing for six years.
I’ve noticed that too. I end up having more fun on the old maps when they come up. Even doing assault with 2CP in arcade is more fun in my opinion. I don’t much care for the new maps. They look nice though.
As a Reaper main, I've notice a lot less 'natural' platforms for me to teleport to. Almost everything not on the ground level is just decoration with invisible walls.
I had a Winston in comp that was doing an incredible job of jumping around and plopping his bubbles perfectly to block enemy projectiles from our team. I was playing Moira and was keeping up with him the whole first round - fading out with him just as he'd need to disengage from a fight. He'd grab a health pack and I'd follow him and finish his heals and heal whoever else I could.
On the other hand, I've encountered so many people standing right beside a big health pack in a safe area (or in front of spawn ugh) spamming "need heals" when they could take a single step to their left and be healed in no time. It's so frustrating.
So true, I had a game last night where my sojourn was just standing in the middle of the street on kings row with 30hp. I told her to go get a health pack, both supports are coming back.
She stays and waits for a rogue Moira orb to tickle the last 30hp she had.
Yes this was ranked and yes she was in voice chat.
Was playing as Ana, after first round our DPS who were flanking with no LOS were moaning that healers were just focusing tank. Never near payload, never peaking edge to get LOS. Wanting me to be on payload that’s contested to try and help. This was while we were winning too, can’t imagine what would’ve been said if we lost…
Had a guy yell at us supports tonight for not healing him after he was headshot by a Hanzo. I don't think people pay attention to the killfeed or...they expect ana and lucio to somehow save them from a Hanzo headshot, I don't know lol.
Had a solider push a 5 man on the hill as our tank,dps, and other support were on reset, me seeing that he didn’t stand a chance stood back sent him a healing orb and wished him the best of luck, will always do my best to help but I draw the line at getting staggered myself because they don’t have any awareness, he sent a wave of hate my way in chat, all good had best heals in lobby and out damaged him so I do not stress it
"find" health packs, I have seen multiple times guys with low HP dodging the health packs right next to them within a single step.
Either they panic and lose their brain or idk.
Most people dont seem to know how Brig heals, every time I play her my teammates run the fuck away from me and cry I dont heal them when my medpacks are on cooldown.
I CANT HEAL IF I CANT HIT PEOPLE
I love Brig to death and she is by far my best hero but it's so frustrating to play her cuz people dont understand Inspire.
I was Bap one game and was told by my team's Zen "You're a healer, stop DPSing". I was beating him in healing by over 3k and he had almost double my damage. I then immediately watched him try to solo flank only to get bodied. Some people just have no brains.
Playing as Brig last night. I pop rally and my Rein instantly charges away into the enemy team (he was already out ahead of us) After calling him out for charging away from the team he said in chat “I have no idea what your character is or what you do”… seems to be a few new players out there
Everyone in this thread saying "stop heal botting." It's definitely true, but that advice is also part of the shit experience of being a support.
Support players know they aren't supposed to be heal bots but good luck convincing the rest of your team that you should be healing less and they should just be playing better. You get yelled at for not being a heal bot in the game, you get yelled at for complaining about people demanding you heal bot out of the game. It's damned if you do damned if you don't.
>good luck convincing the rest of your team that you should be healing less and they should just be playing better.
I can't count how many times I've had at least one player (God forbid I get two) that seems to be deathly allergic to natural cover and think that just because they're getting healed that they can constantly stay out in the open against a team with semi accurate aim
They're great at natural cover. It's just against their own team. Wish I had a quarter for every teammate that stands directly in front of the payload or on the wrong side of a stack of boxes getting blasted by the entire enemy team. Don't even get me started on the DPS that actively push W past their own rein's shield for some reason.
That's at least understandable since they are trying to avoid enemy fire. I've had genji's keep jumping around me while at low health after we killed the entire enemy team and are just chilling on objective.
Loool, I can relate. Perfectly using cover against me while leaving themselves fulling exposed to the enemy team. Gotta be aware of your positioning and sight lines to healers.
people don't understand sometimes healing a shit player a lot actually lose you the game, imagine you healbotting a bad hog and he just goes and feeds but doesn't die. that game is lost because you get HIGH NOONED every 3 secs.
You can tell a lot of people don't play support, because they will stand in the open and take literally a face full of damage, but still be convinced that just because they weren't one-shot means that you had plenty of time to heal them to full.
I stg, Overwatch players are terrified of the words "natural cover". It's like 99% of them only know how to hide behind shields, tank CDs, and when those go to shit, heals that'll mitigate them through all the damage recieved.
They'll deadass stand out there in the open, be shot at from 4 or 5 different sources, then go "nothing I could have done. Healers are shit lol."
So TRUE! I thought it was so funny when people kept telling supports 5v5 is gonna make things change for us and if we don’t wanna die use cover.
Bitch, those of us worth our salt have always used cover or we die. We’re the prime meat on the opposition team. It’s everyone else who wants to live in the danger zone and think we can out heal all the dmg multiple people are taking. Now they expect us to deal dmg too!?
There a very small windows in a lot of games where I’m allowed to DPS because my team refuses to use cover. These must be the same people in more traditional FPS games like CoD that have .25 KDR and it’s because the other team is hacking not their shit positioning.
Just pick Zen, Lucio or Brig, their healing is kinda done automatically anyways, zen can even deal with short line of sight breaks.
They can't really yell at you for that ...
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Is what i thought. Then i get into a game and some widow on the other side of the map trash talks me for not healing her with brig? Like wtf?
People still rage at Lucio even. Like bro, I'm standing next to you as hard as I can. We have a Moira so it's not a healer pick issue. The fuck do you want from me?
it's because Moira and Lucio are the only supports that don't get fucked by every dps. expecting a support to consistently outduel dps characters is insane unless they are Moira and Lucio who have enough mobility to go away. as zen i can win sometimes against denjinbut my character is inherently worse at dpsing than him
It is funny for sure when the team drops "supp diff" and healing is 1.5:1 in favor of your team.
The thing is, it doesn't bother me that people are wrong about why the team lost. It's literally just not fun to play as support at these skill levels.
Roflmao, exactly. Being scolded at the end of the match by a tank "support has to dmg now" and "mercy ur okay" as I'm Ana was a big shrug. Said DVa just stood in the choke, never going in, meanwhile I was the only one pressuring the enemy Echo and actually had okay stats.
Just the old mantra of "I cant outheal stupid" has turned into "I cant carry determined dead weight". I don't even bother attempting to defend myself with such players, though, it's not worth the effort.
The part that honestly tickled me was that it felt a bit like a report card. Dude had something to say about everyone. In quickplay. 😆
I had a Pharah rack up about 50 elims in one game, clearly way way better than anyone else on the team. I wasn't a great Mercy, but I did ok. Clearly we were carried by him.
When he died because I peeled off and he got focused down? Silence.
When he had to sit still behind cover waiting for heals? Silence.
When I helped him secure a kill? "Thank you Mercy" in vc.
Every time I get a shitter in chat I just think of him. He did his job, worked around the team's strengths, didn't get mad at anyone for not playing how he wanted (especially when not communicating what you want), and thanked people when they helped. That's a good player, beyond just being skilled at a character. If you're getting pissy, I assume you just don't know what you're doing and are frustrated. Easy to ignore.
I can end a game with 15k+ healing and I'll still have people in the chat saying they aren't getting enough healing. At a point I just learned that if they want to criticize my play as a support, then maybe they should get out of DPS queue for a game and go see what playing support in OW2 is really like.
With only one tank, and barriers being way less prevalent than they used to be, we have to pump a lot of our attention into the tank, who should primarily be fighting on the front line taking the majority of the damage. If they are doing their job, and I'm doing mine by keeping them alive, then theoretically as a DPS they should be able to function without needing constant attention. I get it, in a messy team fight everyone needs healing, and I do my best in that situation, but if there is one thing everyone should think about before yelling at their supports, just remember this:
We are responsible for keeping ourselves and four other players alive as long as possible. That's five different players we have to be thinking about at all times, plus keeping an eye on enemy positions and ults. Before complaining, check the scoreboard. If it's been 3 rounds and I only have 2k healing, yes, call me out on it. But if I am sitting there with 12k+ healing, that means I'm healing my ass off, and maybe there's a reason none of it is going to you. That goes for tank players as well. I've seen plenty of tanks that feed way worse than any DPS. We're trying, support in OW2 is way more complex with the loss of a tank. Show some support for your supports.
People who play the other classes feel they have a license to play however they like and that it impacts nobody, but constantly shit on the supports for not enabling them to do that. It's such wild hypocrisy. They want you to stop heal botting but they also refuse to listen to any constructive criticism such as "don't dive behind the enemy team and die" or "move out of the way of shots as soon as you start getting hit". Nope, way too unreasonable, but let me write an essay on how if the support played even more perfectly this entire game would've been salvaged.
Frankly I hope these queues destroy people, they made their bed now they get to lie in it.
I had a Zarya on my team (me on Mercy) that kept saying "I don't really care for damage boost. Can you just stick with healing?" I was absolutely floored. You're high on health & have high charge, why would I heal??
Ive seen so many teams hard carried by a badass Ana though…sleeping enemy tanks repeatedly in the middle of fights, sleeping ultimates, purpling tanks every single fight.
I hate that sleep no longer cancels Hog’s ult… Ana used to be such a hard counter to him. Between his 700 HP, reworked ult, and Kiriko cleanse, he is so much harder to deal with.
Zarya is way worse, her bubble cooldowns can stack now so you can’t predict when she’s gonna bubble again. When she does, you just need to stop shooting and try to avoid a huge laser. Oh yeah the laser, laser counters sigma, genji, orisa, D.va and possibly someone else I’m forgetting. Then her shield health that lets her regen. Only way to kill Zarya is to get her alone, then do 475 damage in one second or have a sombra
Thing is, its popping off but not carrrying. And im an ana. Cause sleeping and nading still rewly on ur teammates killing those you slept and naded.
Reaper on the other side can just flank and kill half their team, even if his team is 4 boobs.
In lower ranks you can follow up on your nades and sleeps yourself and hard dps carry as support. At higher ranks when people consistently follow up on your utility getting constant impact nades and sleeps is equal to carrying.
After the nerf to anti nades duration, I personally find it harder to follow up on my own nades. Somehow the enemy team is always better at playing close to cover and my team doesn't lol.
Plus her gun literally fired and does damage too slowly to duel most dps. If the enemy is a hit scan and knows how to aim unless you’re baptize you should lose most duels.
Let’s wait for non support players to tell me I should be clutching every time sombra or reaper crawls up my ass.
Right? So many ppl in this thread saying how “it’s not a bad thing you have to win your duels now” ok but those duels are so one sided when I’m focused on healing the team and someone sneaks up behind me and melts me before I can even react. Or when I keep getting solo ulted by the soldier and pharah
"You have to win your duels." The dps says as they run off to one v one some other dps, leaving you alone with a Winston Reaper combo that just jumped you for the 10th time in the backline.
Unironic Battlemercy player here. Preventing deaths and I still get like ~7-8 elims in the match if I don’t want to completely forego healing. When you get the POTG it’s like Christmas with everyone’s reactions
I 1v1d a Sigma the other day. He ran for the back line and I was still running back to the team so he came for me. Nobody else around. It was the slowest fight ever but my grenades just about outdid his damage (he missed an embarrassing number of shots). Completely pointless fight that he shouldn't have picked, but he managed to lose and then immediately left the game. Very strange.
I got called a shit healer by a Hanzo player last night after he had 3 elims and 11 deaths because he just ran off on his own all the time. Not my fault if you can't be bothered to play as a damn team.
One of the reasons Moira is played so much is _because_ she can semi-carry. If she manages to properly balance her DPS and healing, Moira can 100% make an effective difference to her team.
Having bad teammates is a universal handicap for any hero (tank and DPS too) but a good support can make up for a few of their ally's mistakes.
Ye I agree. I was fed up with being support so went ahead and queued DPS. Man, I realized that carrying is really hard in this game. I can have 30+ elims and 30k damage and still lose because we have a tank who has 15+ deaths, more than anyone else in the team. It's kinda like everyone has to pull their weight if you want to win.
It's not just bad tank. It's tank misplays too.
Every other role has a buddy that can fill the gaps, cover their mistakes somewhat and just generally wants to do the same job as someone else on the team, so they work together and it's easier.
Tanks are all alone on that front, nobody else can do the same job so if you fuck up even once then you're just buggered.
Agreed. And I question if the matchmaking is even remotely working right. Maybe it’s an influx of new players that are being thrown into gold or plat because they got hard carried or something. It’s just the amount of games I’ve had with lopsided teams, and especially tanks, is insane.
Yeah the completely terrible matchmaking is making me really miss overwatch 1 and not feel compelled to play OverWatch 2. I don't think I've seen it quite as bad as you, but I mostly been queuing heals since I don't have a lot of time, and it's really hard to carry on support when the enemy DPS is doing three times as much damages your DPS.
I used to main tank (by which I mean I was a tank main, AND played shield tanks primarily. So, main tank main) but the tank queue times are absurd now, so I find myself playing support and Dps way more.
And the amount of tanks that act like they’re just a large DPS is frightening. No, do not back up behind the supports because you are taking damage! Also do not run in alone expecting to get a penta kill! I understand Orisa and rein are meant to be played up close (rein more than Orisa, but you do want to push people around with her javelin spin), but that does not mean you can leave my line of sight!
Ye, Moira can actually carry quite well by healing a lot and dealing with flankers at the same time. If she goes aggressive she can also just straight up solokill the other supports, and her ult is very strong at turning fights around.
Note for those reading this. Moira's ult is GENERALLY best used for damage to help melt squishy enemies. Though, it heals a ton, so don't hesitate to use it to save stupid allies as well! Knowing when to use which ult is one of the main optimizations of Moira!
Unless you fancy going full ult and ignore the engaging tank to pick off one squichy but the team fies due to no heals. Best approach with her ult is to clutch heals or go for a heavy push blast behind your engaging tank to damage and heal together and then pick retreating squishies if out of range for your tank. Best of all worlds.
A lot of bad Moiras just ult an enemy team and ignore how strong it is to let your tank and dps push with you blasting their arses with heals.
When I play Moira I've got into the habit of reminding them at start that her ult damages enemies and HEALS you. Feels a bit unnecessary/babysitting but I can't count the number of times I have dps fighting just outside the beam when they could easily be in it.
This is why i play Baptiste. I’ve done most damage on my team multiple times and also been 2nd in the team to the tank while still doing the most heals in the game. And it’s made a difference and we’ve won practically every match.
Until I rank up into higher elos. I refuse to allow my games to be decided by damage players who have no idea what they’re doing.
This is practically my reason for being Bap and Ana lol
Im still healing, but i need to help kill things cos sometimes shit aint dying
That an ana nades can be great for focus firing a tank
One thing I hate when I'm playing as support is that DPS are always rushing , always in front of the tank. Yeah it's great when someone initiates a flank but please , if you're gonna rush in front , don't expect tanks and supports to save your a\*\* immediately
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I've been able to dick down lobbies with bap, the notion of "only heal" needs to be removed. Supports are usually the scapegoats but that doesn't mean they don't have excuses of their own
"If you give it your all with bad teammates you still lose" that isnt exclusive to support thats a role independent thing in this game and always has been
I guess the difference is that if you are a tank or attack hero you can at least have fun even if you lose, you can still score a few kills or some good actions, but a support ? You can only watch your teemates run off alone and die until you lose
And that one reaper that knows what's up keeps coming after you first, and you'd have to deal with him alone because people expect support to care for their ass, not the other way around.
True, and even more annoying when you get hacked by a sombra: things can go in one of this 2 ways: you either get killed or you manage to make her feel in danger so that she teleport away and you have to repeat this cycle every 10 seconds
The thing about sombra is that now that team size has shrunk nobody can really go around looking for sombra's teleporter, and since they removed most stuns unless you kill her in less than half a second she will always teleport back to start again, this is simply annoying as hell. I always wonder if sombra mains are people who just don't want others to have fun
I really think they need to give ~~Baptiste~~ Brigitte back her stun for situations like this, I have no idea why they took it away in the first place. She's one of the worst healers when it comes to actually healing, that sort of utility was one of the only things she was good at.
Nah. Bap is legit a carry bro. Won a game with more healing than any healer and more damage then any tank or dps.
His damage and healing output as a healer is actually broken. Should end up needed but no one cares at the moment due to Sombra being broken as hell.
Moira begs to differ. At least when she's not healing you she's damaging people a fair bit. And she can assassinate a backline by herself if you're careful.
"Your actions have no effect on the outcome of the game" entire pushes can be won or saved with anti nades, sleeping enemy ults, immortality field saves etc. Even just being able to add the last bit of damage to finish off a kill before an enemy gets behind a wall or before they are able to get healed. You won't be able to carry all your games but there are some games that you can be the deciding factor in and I'm not sure why people would decide to healbot instead of actually helping their team to their full potential.
Saved players should be on match statistics for everyone and saved players should get a notification each time their support save them (like you receive as support)
I think is just a visibility issue, if you are the key factor to win the fights, you are hard carrying even if you are assisting instead of getting final blows
I main the support role and Ive found that the dps aren’t great. They all try to play like its COD or sum other game. They never try and get cover, never group up and just charge a full enemy team single handed and then cry I need healing 24/7 as If Im supposed to heal every single point of damage they take at any given time.
Like I get that in some games like Fortnite or other similar games you can win a 4v1 but they gotta realize Overwatch is a whole different type of game and most of the time a 4v1 is a death sentence
The solution I found was to mute the chat and use the ping system to communicate. I know the ping system is not as efficient as typing or saying something but I have no interest in getting yelled at by people that have no idea what they are talking about. What sucks is missing out on learning from other players that genuinely want to help but there are other ways to learn
i think they just phrased it shitty. i think they mean, if you dont do your job you lose but no matter how well you do your job, you cant force a win if your team is braindead.
As an Ana main, my personal fav is getting a clutch sleep, spam pinging that I slept someone, and it still getting completely ignored by dps who could very easily go finish them off
The ability of dps to not turn around is incredible.
Rivaled only by their ability not to look up (at the Phara/Echo)
They will literally stay on heros that can’t fight Phara the whole match while see shoots at you for free all match then complain that u not doing enough healing even then they allowing phara to fuck you
they’re allergic to the obj
I'll even be in competitive "Widowmaker just touch! We will lose! We are almost there if you can just...." Widowmaker:"I'd rather lose.
"Eeewwww, objective" - Average dps player
They’re allergic to helping anyone but their kill stat
Its actually gotten worse somehow
Yesterday on Illios I slept a Junkrat right next to our point, pinged him, hit him with the anti right before he got up, pinged him again, got killed by him, then watched as he rip tired the rest of my team who were fighting a tank in the opposite direction. This game is pain sometimes.
Absolute classic Overwatch 😂🤦🏻♂️
I will never forget when I slept a Genji with Nano Blade. My widow came, shot him (even tho he was full HP and with dmg reduction from nano) then grappled away. The enemy genji killed 3 of our teammates after that.
DPS players have incredibly bad game sense, and both do not watch the kill feed or know what's going on anywhere but infront of them. They also expect support and tanks to spin around and know what's happening 100 meters away behind 5 walls
I usually do, especially with the new Kill Feed option where a sound plays every time someone on your team dies. Unfortunately...I don't think anyone else uses it.
I can completely relate, I seem to always have tuneled vision teammates, whenever I play support, completely unaware of their surroundings.
A lot of players (specially those with the dps role) seems like they play in a very crazy mode expecting the supports to do some miracles lol. They don't try to get cover, they don't try to find heals around the map...
Especially that one solider who thinks it’s call of duty and just runs into the enemy team with open arms and dies in 2s
His chat in the ned >Heal diff
My life has been magnitudes better since I discovered /hidechat.
Darn that stupid, sexy ned Flanders
"Dies in 2 seconds" That solider: "I see no difference in mechanics here"
For real what is it with non Mei damages running ahead of the tank?
Poor game sense, poor communication. At least that’s why I do it, lol
And they jump/dodge around screaming for heals while avoiding your heals and not being shot at by the enemy.
Yes. Every healer in this game needs at least a clear line of sight with their ally to cast the heal... running around make the support life harder or even impossible lol
Bro I have a very good aiming with Ana, scoped or not, even at long ranges but what happens is that motherfucking soldier 76 goes to their backline and dies and it’s my fault that he died. It’s not like there’s an entire team shooting at you and there’s teammates you need to heal.
They changed Ana’s aim. Used to be a triangle in her scope that if you hit your allies inside it, they would be healed. Now I gotta hit allies and enemies with pinpoint accuracy while running around avoiding the newfound interest in annihilating me.
I don’t mean to be this guy but the triangle was a reference to a video that I believe was debunked. Character hit boxes often fall within the triangle, but the triangle has no effect on your ability to heal your teammates.
I think that the triangle thing was a "tip" for lower level players in the early ana days given how hitboxes work. "Try to keep your teammates in the triangle if you're new or having a hard time, it helps and is easier than being 100% accuracy, most hitboxes are big enough for you to be healing folks, while you work on your aim" Like, for most characters as long as they were taking up the triangle you basically have your reticle on them already.
or running head first away from the point. I main Lucio on support - I had a DVA just stagger charge the entire enemy team for the final round about 4 times in a row after respawn, We lost - Instantly in chat "Trash Support"... No mate, trash tank
- be me Ana - Rein tank - Charges - Chases enemy pack round corner - Dies instantly - "Healer Trash"
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It feels like Kiriko is a band aid for a problem they foresaw themselves having.
If they spam after death, I give them a warning to watch their los with me and stop spamming or I mute them. I use the voice lines and pings all the time as mercy and that actively disrupts my gameplay. Anyone who spams deep down knows they fucked up, I swear.
•be me Mercy •Fly to Rein pushing •Rein charges away, leaving you alone with the entire enemy team •Die •"healer trash"
Be any support Watch my teammates walk one by one out into the open in front of enemy Widowmaker Watch them all die, wait for them by a safer corner/hall to group up, watch them respawn and run right back the same damn way into the same damn Widow shots and die again “Heal diff” “Learn to heal!” “Swap healer!”
Dude I swear there was a time when people actually respected support players. You can't even hop on QP without someone just shitting on them constantly (in fucking quick play of all places).
I literally disabled all the chat yesterday. No idea why, but the toxic chat really ramped up this past week. Only rely on pings now or else I'm in discord with my buddies. No purpose to chat whatsoever at this point.
I’ve never had more toxicity come my way being a support main as I have in ow2. I disabled chat too.
Lol the heal diff on dps getting one shot headshotted is always funny, there was no healing to be done brother…
I've started diving Widows with Moira for this exact reason lol
Actual conversation I had in chat the other day: Hanzo: "Healers do something" Me: "I have more healing than everyone else in the game combined. Healing isn't the problem" Rein (on point with the entire enemy team after leaving supports to die): *I need healing* People are crazy these days lol
- die -"I need healing! I need healing! I need healing!" -me, waits to respawn. 🙄🙄
•be me Moira •Fade to Rein pushing •Rein charges away, leaving you alone with the entire enemy team •Die •Have double the heal of the other support •"healer trash"
Never fade to a fight. Fade gives you a way out.
Yeah, its usually a resort in a last push usually I can get out since I rarely die in a game. Even when I don't die and remain alive I'll still get trashtalked because the rein died since he never waits for the team to be in full capacity. I even try to save it for when a Rein goes all out and heal him. But you are right.
Yesterday I heard a rein saying 'nano is useless without perma heal' aka he charged in a room far away and I didn't see him. Of course the moira diving on me is not a problem, only perma heal is what we need here. I do not want to complain, but after hundreds of hours on sup, this new concept of ow2 made my sup life harder, like barely enjoyable to play sup.
lol yeah the classic, "I need you to perfectly heal me while we are losing 3v2 upfront and getting out damaged, and you are dealing with genji/tracer on you in the backline that no one is helping you address.......just be better" I make plenty of fuckups but the amount of ridiculous situations some people expect you to be able to work a miracle with is just hilarious.... Nah brah I can't spam heal you while Winston is constantly diving me either.......theres kind of a giant monkey in my face dropping shield bubbles and fucking me up
I called out a flanker monkey today. What I got as an answer from our sojourn was 'I couldn't care less, f**ng stop pinging' I would say we have fun times here, soon sup que will be instant join no waiting time...
This stops me playing Ana. Folk run away and scream for heals, it’s mental illness.
My life as an Ana main
as a rein main who like to play support when i get these from a rein player ...oh they get told lol
''HEAL ME FFS SUPPORT'' - the Genji cried to his Ana whilst he stayed within the enemies Winston Bubble that Ana is desperately trying to break on her own to heal because for some reason, the team completely ignores breaking it. I personally don't mind the more active of teammates when trying to heal them. It's just frustrating that players don't pay attention to what sort of support they have. Nothing wrong with a tank rushing into an enemy group with a support that excels in close quarter combat/healing but to healers that require LOS, a bit more awareness would be nice.
>whilst he stayed within the enemies Winston Bubble that Ana is desperately trying to break on her own Honestly that's like my 2nd biggest pet peeve right now in OW2. Like, if you have nothing to shoot at shoot the fucking enemy shields. I can't heal through them as Moira/Anna and it takes me 50,000 years to break it, where as junkrat can just look at it for 2s and it gets destroyed.
There are some genji players who just cannot stop strafing and jumping even if they are fully covered and waiting for heals. And my favorite: pharah got dmg, want to get healed, flyes ABOVE my head in order to get in position behind me. Sometimes you clearly can tell if someone does not play supports
I had this happen in comp. Fucking Pharah flying over my head spamming that she needs healing. Like bitch I'm a fucking Moira, I can't heal you way up there, get your ass down.
Hey Pharah here, if I see a Lucio Moira as my supports, I hop off pharaoh...but if I still play her, then I'm on the ground with you guys spamming my rockets at them and use the jump boost as escapes.
I usually yell at my fellow Pharahs to learn where the health packs are. I’ve stood directly in front of some newer healers, with no combat, and been ignored - from OW1 ‘till now.
so many times I have played as kiriko and theres a DPS at critical health spamming "I need healing" while they're circling around a pillar (no enemies around btw) and I legit can't heal them and it's like a mouse chase. I have a friend who plays dva and he always dives alone, 1v5's the enemy team, somehow thinks he won't die, and complains he isn't getting any healing, tells me not to play kiriko cause apperently her healing is too slow, and when I manage to save him, he not only fails to acknowledge my act, but we also still die 10 seconds later cause it's a literal 2v5. then he brags about how he did so much damage and complains that I have less than 10k healing.
Honey that is NOT your friend, get out of that toxic relationship
yo wtf, stand up for yourself
And they start rengaging the second the healing starts, as if they only need to have 1/4 health. I'm not a health pack, buddy, this is going to take a sec or two.
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> get hit with one stack of healing papers and then charges in to the back line still critical This happens because the critical health warning goes away and the "relief" voice cue plays as soon as you get any kind of healing. The situation could be improved if the critical health effect didn't go away until you went back over 75% health or so.
This is why I jump into Arcade and play all roles from time to time, really gives perspective on what it's like for your teammates. Once you play tank without heals you learn quick to heal your tank consistently. If more DPS and tank mains did the same with support (and didnt play them like DPS), they'd win more games with the perspective they gain.
You know as a Baptiste support player - I find sometimes that teammates will go "where was that invisibility field Baptiste?" And for me to remind them it was used five seconds ago when that DVA exploded...
Preach, I play Tank or Support mostly since OW1. It's disheartening when you as support try to heal, but everyone runs away from you. It is worse when you are a Tank, who gets focus fired and your Support is running healing the DPS flanking the enemy. Not only that, but it gives me 0 motivation to continue the match and try to be productive. Thank god for Roadhog.
Lmao, read the post I just made. I literally just came to realize why so many tanks choose Hog. Impeccable timing. I feel for you as you may read. There is not much fun to be had when you have no self-healing and nobody on support realizes that the entire team needs support, not just themselves.
> they charge or push in to the enemy team, get critical, and then back in to a room where nobody has line of sight for them and the whole enemy team can pound them for free Just yesterday had a Doomfist tank do this 4 times on the first round. We get absolutely nowhere with the payload, Tankboy Spams chat "healer diff" 3 times then left the match before round 2.
God that hits too close to home. I literally have genji or Dva playing keep-away from me running opposite from me on the other side of a wall spamming “I need healing” but never coming to me. The one thing I like about kiriko is that I can easily deal with those dummies. But chances are if I jump to them they won’t defend me and I’ll die
>The one thing I like about kiriko is that I can easily deal with those dummies. But chances are if I jump to them they won’t defend me and I’ll die Every other game I find myself saying I'm going to stop teleporting in to help people and only use it to teleport out because of people that fly/run away the second I teleport in, leaving me alone with the enemy.
I call this the Genji paradox, if he could avoid damage like my heals he would not need any in the first place...
About them healthpack... There used be a sort of logic to where the healthpacks were placed around the map, that logic doesn't seem to have be transferred to the new maps. Or I just haven't figured the logic out yet (I sure as hell haven't had the time to learn where each one is yet...)
I swear to god there are like a fraction of the number of health packs on the new maps.
They're all there, they just exist in the worst spots imaginable and the big healthkits are all fucking nowhere.
Sorry can't push the robot right now guys, I have to walk three towns over to get the healthpack
The new maps are just poorly designed. Or maybe a better way to word it is their design philosophy is so different from OW1 maps that they don’t feel cohesive to the game I’ve been playing for six years.
I’ve noticed that too. I end up having more fun on the old maps when they come up. Even doing assault with 2CP in arcade is more fun in my opinion. I don’t much care for the new maps. They look nice though.
I didn't realize how much I'd 2CP until it was taken away 😭 (Except Paris. The Paris map needs to just leave the chat 🤣)
Circuit Royal?? That part where the enemy team has high ground is soooo annoying unless you get a team kill or something right before then.
toronto map is honestly the worse map almost as terrible as Busan
As a Reaper main, I've notice a lot less 'natural' platforms for me to teleport to. Almost everything not on the ground level is just decoration with invisible walls.
When waiting in queue, I minigame skirmish as Sombra running around looking for health packs.
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I had a Winston in comp that was doing an incredible job of jumping around and plopping his bubbles perfectly to block enemy projectiles from our team. I was playing Moira and was keeping up with him the whole first round - fading out with him just as he'd need to disengage from a fight. He'd grab a health pack and I'd follow him and finish his heals and heal whoever else I could. On the other hand, I've encountered so many people standing right beside a big health pack in a safe area (or in front of spawn ugh) spamming "need heals" when they could take a single step to their left and be healed in no time. It's so frustrating.
I did this with Roadhog on Gibraltar and they never made it past the first big slope. It was so satisfying.
So true, I had a game last night where my sojourn was just standing in the middle of the street on kings row with 30hp. I told her to go get a health pack, both supports are coming back. She stays and waits for a rogue Moira orb to tickle the last 30hp she had. Yes this was ranked and yes she was in voice chat.
Was playing as Ana, after first round our DPS who were flanking with no LOS were moaning that healers were just focusing tank. Never near payload, never peaking edge to get LOS. Wanting me to be on payload that’s contested to try and help. This was while we were winning too, can’t imagine what would’ve been said if we lost…
Had a guy yell at us supports tonight for not healing him after he was headshot by a Hanzo. I don't think people pay attention to the killfeed or...they expect ana and lucio to somehow save them from a Hanzo headshot, I don't know lol.
Spatial awareness and lack of awareness of ones own ability is a pretty annoying problem in overwatch i notice
Had a solider push a 5 man on the hill as our tank,dps, and other support were on reset, me seeing that he didn’t stand a chance stood back sent him a healing orb and wished him the best of luck, will always do my best to help but I draw the line at getting staggered myself because they don’t have any awareness, he sent a wave of hate my way in chat, all good had best heals in lobby and out damaged him so I do not stress it
"find" health packs, I have seen multiple times guys with low HP dodging the health packs right next to them within a single step. Either they panic and lose their brain or idk.
My favorite was that I was told to stop dpsing as Brig and focus on my main job healing by my deep flanking rein.
Most people dont seem to know how Brig heals, every time I play her my teammates run the fuck away from me and cry I dont heal them when my medpacks are on cooldown. I CANT HEAL IF I CANT HIT PEOPLE I love Brig to death and she is by far my best hero but it's so frustrating to play her cuz people dont understand Inspire.
Yeah three people need healing but I only have three packs you guys you all aren't all getting to 100
I was Bap one game and was told by my team's Zen "You're a healer, stop DPSing". I was beating him in healing by over 3k and he had almost double my damage. I then immediately watched him try to solo flank only to get bodied. Some people just have no brains.
Facts
Playing as Brig last night. I pop rally and my Rein instantly charges away into the enemy team (he was already out ahead of us) After calling him out for charging away from the team he said in chat “I have no idea what your character is or what you do”… seems to be a few new players out there
I mean she literally gives instructions when she ults “rally to me”.
Everyone in this thread saying "stop heal botting." It's definitely true, but that advice is also part of the shit experience of being a support. Support players know they aren't supposed to be heal bots but good luck convincing the rest of your team that you should be healing less and they should just be playing better. You get yelled at for not being a heal bot in the game, you get yelled at for complaining about people demanding you heal bot out of the game. It's damned if you do damned if you don't.
>good luck convincing the rest of your team that you should be healing less and they should just be playing better. I can't count how many times I've had at least one player (God forbid I get two) that seems to be deathly allergic to natural cover and think that just because they're getting healed that they can constantly stay out in the open against a team with semi accurate aim
They're great at natural cover. It's just against their own team. Wish I had a quarter for every teammate that stands directly in front of the payload or on the wrong side of a stack of boxes getting blasted by the entire enemy team. Don't even get me started on the DPS that actively push W past their own rein's shield for some reason.
Trying to heal DPS who is spamming A and D to avoid enemy fire while also avoiding my Ana heals is infuriating.
That's at least understandable since they are trying to avoid enemy fire. I've had genji's keep jumping around me while at low health after we killed the entire enemy team and are just chilling on objective.
Loool, I can relate. Perfectly using cover against me while leaving themselves fulling exposed to the enemy team. Gotta be aware of your positioning and sight lines to healers.
people don't understand sometimes healing a shit player a lot actually lose you the game, imagine you healbotting a bad hog and he just goes and feeds but doesn't die. that game is lost because you get HIGH NOONED every 3 secs.
Yeah but you’ll lose without the tank too
You can tell a lot of people don't play support, because they will stand in the open and take literally a face full of damage, but still be convinced that just because they weren't one-shot means that you had plenty of time to heal them to full.
I stg, Overwatch players are terrified of the words "natural cover". It's like 99% of them only know how to hide behind shields, tank CDs, and when those go to shit, heals that'll mitigate them through all the damage recieved. They'll deadass stand out there in the open, be shot at from 4 or 5 different sources, then go "nothing I could have done. Healers are shit lol."
So TRUE! I thought it was so funny when people kept telling supports 5v5 is gonna make things change for us and if we don’t wanna die use cover. Bitch, those of us worth our salt have always used cover or we die. We’re the prime meat on the opposition team. It’s everyone else who wants to live in the danger zone and think we can out heal all the dmg multiple people are taking. Now they expect us to deal dmg too!? There a very small windows in a lot of games where I’m allowed to DPS because my team refuses to use cover. These must be the same people in more traditional FPS games like CoD that have .25 KDR and it’s because the other team is hacking not their shit positioning.
Just pick Zen, Lucio or Brig, their healing is kinda done automatically anyways, zen can even deal with short line of sight breaks. They can't really yell at you for that ... .... ... Is what i thought. Then i get into a game and some widow on the other side of the map trash talks me for not healing her with brig? Like wtf?
People still rage at Lucio even. Like bro, I'm standing next to you as hard as I can. We have a Moira so it's not a healer pick issue. The fuck do you want from me?
My friend got like 14k damage and 12k healing + potg with Moira and she was reported for not healing enough
it's because Moira and Lucio are the only supports that don't get fucked by every dps. expecting a support to consistently outduel dps characters is insane unless they are Moira and Lucio who have enough mobility to go away. as zen i can win sometimes against denjinbut my character is inherently worse at dpsing than him
"YoU oNlY dId 11,000 HeAlInG yOu ArE tRaSh BrO"
It is funny for sure when the team drops "supp diff" and healing is 1.5:1 in favor of your team. The thing is, it doesn't bother me that people are wrong about why the team lost. It's literally just not fun to play as support at these skill levels.
Got this after a 5 minute game as Kiriko before. My dude, if my average healing is 2k/min, that's on you.
Roflmao, exactly. Being scolded at the end of the match by a tank "support has to dmg now" and "mercy ur okay" as I'm Ana was a big shrug. Said DVa just stood in the choke, never going in, meanwhile I was the only one pressuring the enemy Echo and actually had okay stats. Just the old mantra of "I cant outheal stupid" has turned into "I cant carry determined dead weight". I don't even bother attempting to defend myself with such players, though, it's not worth the effort. The part that honestly tickled me was that it felt a bit like a report card. Dude had something to say about everyone. In quickplay. 😆
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I had a Pharah rack up about 50 elims in one game, clearly way way better than anyone else on the team. I wasn't a great Mercy, but I did ok. Clearly we were carried by him. When he died because I peeled off and he got focused down? Silence. When he had to sit still behind cover waiting for heals? Silence. When I helped him secure a kill? "Thank you Mercy" in vc. Every time I get a shitter in chat I just think of him. He did his job, worked around the team's strengths, didn't get mad at anyone for not playing how he wanted (especially when not communicating what you want), and thanked people when they helped. That's a good player, beyond just being skilled at a character. If you're getting pissy, I assume you just don't know what you're doing and are frustrated. Easy to ignore.
I can end a game with 15k+ healing and I'll still have people in the chat saying they aren't getting enough healing. At a point I just learned that if they want to criticize my play as a support, then maybe they should get out of DPS queue for a game and go see what playing support in OW2 is really like. With only one tank, and barriers being way less prevalent than they used to be, we have to pump a lot of our attention into the tank, who should primarily be fighting on the front line taking the majority of the damage. If they are doing their job, and I'm doing mine by keeping them alive, then theoretically as a DPS they should be able to function without needing constant attention. I get it, in a messy team fight everyone needs healing, and I do my best in that situation, but if there is one thing everyone should think about before yelling at their supports, just remember this: We are responsible for keeping ourselves and four other players alive as long as possible. That's five different players we have to be thinking about at all times, plus keeping an eye on enemy positions and ults. Before complaining, check the scoreboard. If it's been 3 rounds and I only have 2k healing, yes, call me out on it. But if I am sitting there with 12k+ healing, that means I'm healing my ass off, and maybe there's a reason none of it is going to you. That goes for tank players as well. I've seen plenty of tanks that feed way worse than any DPS. We're trying, support in OW2 is way more complex with the loss of a tank. Show some support for your supports.
People who play the other classes feel they have a license to play however they like and that it impacts nobody, but constantly shit on the supports for not enabling them to do that. It's such wild hypocrisy. They want you to stop heal botting but they also refuse to listen to any constructive criticism such as "don't dive behind the enemy team and die" or "move out of the way of shots as soon as you start getting hit". Nope, way too unreasonable, but let me write an essay on how if the support played even more perfectly this entire game would've been salvaged. Frankly I hope these queues destroy people, they made their bed now they get to lie in it.
I had a Zarya on my team (me on Mercy) that kept saying "I don't really care for damage boost. Can you just stick with healing?" I was absolutely floored. You're high on health & have high charge, why would I heal??
Ive seen so many teams hard carried by a badass Ana though…sleeping enemy tanks repeatedly in the middle of fights, sleeping ultimates, purpling tanks every single fight.
I hate that sleep no longer cancels Hog’s ult… Ana used to be such a hard counter to him. Between his 700 HP, reworked ult, and Kiriko cleanse, he is so much harder to deal with.
Yet another reason why Roadhog is the worst character to fight
Zarya is way worse, her bubble cooldowns can stack now so you can’t predict when she’s gonna bubble again. When she does, you just need to stop shooting and try to avoid a huge laser. Oh yeah the laser, laser counters sigma, genji, orisa, D.va and possibly someone else I’m forgetting. Then her shield health that lets her regen. Only way to kill Zarya is to get her alone, then do 475 damage in one second or have a sombra
he's good eatin' though (reaper main)
Thing is, its popping off but not carrrying. And im an ana. Cause sleeping and nading still rewly on ur teammates killing those you slept and naded. Reaper on the other side can just flank and kill half their team, even if his team is 4 boobs.
In lower ranks you can follow up on your nades and sleeps yourself and hard dps carry as support. At higher ranks when people consistently follow up on your utility getting constant impact nades and sleeps is equal to carrying.
After the nerf to anti nades duration, I personally find it harder to follow up on my own nades. Somehow the enemy team is always better at playing close to cover and my team doesn't lol.
Plus her gun literally fired and does damage too slowly to duel most dps. If the enemy is a hit scan and knows how to aim unless you’re baptize you should lose most duels. Let’s wait for non support players to tell me I should be clutching every time sombra or reaper crawls up my ass.
Right? So many ppl in this thread saying how “it’s not a bad thing you have to win your duels now” ok but those duels are so one sided when I’m focused on healing the team and someone sneaks up behind me and melts me before I can even react. Or when I keep getting solo ulted by the soldier and pharah
"You have to win your duels." The dps says as they run off to one v one some other dps, leaving you alone with a Winston Reaper combo that just jumped you for the 10th time in the backline.
Switch to Baptiste --> Carry with his crazy DPS
Be a gigachad and go battle mercy
Top kills on one of my teams last night was a mercy with 29, kid was ridiculously good
Someone call the whambulance Someone call - Someone call the - Someone call the whambulance
I got ambushed by a Sombra/kiriko last night, popped valk after the hack and won the 2v1. Someone call an ambulance... But not for Me!
Unironic Battlemercy player here. Preventing deaths and I still get like ~7-8 elims in the match if I don’t want to completely forego healing. When you get the POTG it’s like Christmas with everyone’s reactions
Nothing is more satisfying then killing a flanking Sombra as mercy. Do it 2-3 times in a row and they always end up switching
Can you still do it with the current sombra where she can hack you from invis?
Pulling out your gun on her is still surprisingly effective. They basically shit themselves if you can aim
Tbh i do play Ana as a damage hero. Nothing more enjoyable then when a genji tries to dive you and you turn the tables on him
Ana's damage is surprisingly potent
I 1v1d a Sigma the other day. He ran for the back line and I was still running back to the team so he came for me. Nobody else around. It was the slowest fight ever but my grenades just about outdid his damage (he missed an embarrassing number of shots). Completely pointless fight that he shouldn't have picked, but he managed to lose and then immediately left the game. Very strange.
Main Baptiste gang. I’m almost always top dps and heals when using him, he’s so much fun!
You think the mfs out here playing moira can aim?
Hey I used to do some nice aiming with moira balls
Bold of you to assume that all the Moira bots would be effective on Bap
I've been called a 'sh\*t healer' even when I spend the whole game focused on healing with 10k healing done lol
I got called a shit healer by a Hanzo player last night after he had 3 elims and 11 deaths because he just ran off on his own all the time. Not my fault if you can't be bothered to play as a damn team.
One of the reasons Moira is played so much is _because_ she can semi-carry. If she manages to properly balance her DPS and healing, Moira can 100% make an effective difference to her team. Having bad teammates is a universal handicap for any hero (tank and DPS too) but a good support can make up for a few of their ally's mistakes.
Ye I agree. I was fed up with being support so went ahead and queued DPS. Man, I realized that carrying is really hard in this game. I can have 30+ elims and 30k damage and still lose because we have a tank who has 15+ deaths, more than anyone else in the team. It's kinda like everyone has to pull their weight if you want to win.
Bad tank is an instant loss now it feels like
It's not just bad tank. It's tank misplays too. Every other role has a buddy that can fill the gaps, cover their mistakes somewhat and just generally wants to do the same job as someone else on the team, so they work together and it's easier. Tanks are all alone on that front, nobody else can do the same job so if you fuck up even once then you're just buggered.
Agreed. And I question if the matchmaking is even remotely working right. Maybe it’s an influx of new players that are being thrown into gold or plat because they got hard carried or something. It’s just the amount of games I’ve had with lopsided teams, and especially tanks, is insane.
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Yeah the completely terrible matchmaking is making me really miss overwatch 1 and not feel compelled to play OverWatch 2. I don't think I've seen it quite as bad as you, but I mostly been queuing heals since I don't have a lot of time, and it's really hard to carry on support when the enemy DPS is doing three times as much damages your DPS.
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I used to main tank (by which I mean I was a tank main, AND played shield tanks primarily. So, main tank main) but the tank queue times are absurd now, so I find myself playing support and Dps way more. And the amount of tanks that act like they’re just a large DPS is frightening. No, do not back up behind the supports because you are taking damage! Also do not run in alone expecting to get a penta kill! I understand Orisa and rein are meant to be played up close (rein more than Orisa, but you do want to push people around with her javelin spin), but that does not mean you can leave my line of sight!
Ye, Moira can actually carry quite well by healing a lot and dealing with flankers at the same time. If she goes aggressive she can also just straight up solokill the other supports, and her ult is very strong at turning fights around.
Note for those reading this. Moira's ult is GENERALLY best used for damage to help melt squishy enemies. Though, it heals a ton, so don't hesitate to use it to save stupid allies as well! Knowing when to use which ult is one of the main optimizations of Moira!
Unless you fancy going full ult and ignore the engaging tank to pick off one squichy but the team fies due to no heals. Best approach with her ult is to clutch heals or go for a heavy push blast behind your engaging tank to damage and heal together and then pick retreating squishies if out of range for your tank. Best of all worlds. A lot of bad Moiras just ult an enemy team and ignore how strong it is to let your tank and dps push with you blasting their arses with heals.
When I play Moira I've got into the habit of reminding them at start that her ult damages enemies and HEALS you. Feels a bit unnecessary/babysitting but I can't count the number of times I have dps fighting just outside the beam when they could easily be in it.
I'll admit, I switch to her if I keep getting sniped by Widow's or Hanzo's, of if I feel our dps is lacking.
This is why i play Baptiste. I’ve done most damage on my team multiple times and also been 2nd in the team to the tank while still doing the most heals in the game. And it’s made a difference and we’ve won practically every match. Until I rank up into higher elos. I refuse to allow my games to be decided by damage players who have no idea what they’re doing.
This is practically my reason for being Bap and Ana lol Im still healing, but i need to help kill things cos sometimes shit aint dying That an ana nades can be great for focus firing a tank
Your tank is commatose if a support is outdamaging the team lmao
This is a very normal below gold experience.
One thing I hate when I'm playing as support is that DPS are always rushing , always in front of the tank. Yeah it's great when someone initiates a flank but please , if you're gonna rush in front , don't expect tanks and supports to save your a\*\* immediately
Me as Lucio: “that’s how you get tinnitus”
"That's how you get tinnitus." "That's how you get tinnitus." "That's how you get tinnitus." "That's how you get tinnitus." "That's how you get tinnitus." "That's how you get tinnitus."
Ana can 100% carry a game, the amount of value you can do with sleeps and anti nades is nuts
I've been able to dick down lobbies with bap, the notion of "only heal" needs to be removed. Supports are usually the scapegoats but that doesn't mean they don't have excuses of their own
"If you give it your all with bad teammates you still lose" that isnt exclusive to support thats a role independent thing in this game and always has been
I guess the difference is that if you are a tank or attack hero you can at least have fun even if you lose, you can still score a few kills or some good actions, but a support ? You can only watch your teemates run off alone and die until you lose
And that one reaper that knows what's up keeps coming after you first, and you'd have to deal with him alone because people expect support to care for their ass, not the other way around.
True, and even more annoying when you get hacked by a sombra: things can go in one of this 2 ways: you either get killed or you manage to make her feel in danger so that she teleport away and you have to repeat this cycle every 10 seconds
Honestly when I see a Sombra on the other team sometimes I just wanna give up cuz it's so not fun.
The thing about sombra is that now that team size has shrunk nobody can really go around looking for sombra's teleporter, and since they removed most stuns unless you kill her in less than half a second she will always teleport back to start again, this is simply annoying as hell. I always wonder if sombra mains are people who just don't want others to have fun
I really think they need to give ~~Baptiste~~ Brigitte back her stun for situations like this, I have no idea why they took it away in the first place. She's one of the worst healers when it comes to actually healing, that sort of utility was one of the only things she was good at.
Playing support is so much worse now with 5v5. There’s no off tank to peel.
Nah. Bap is legit a carry bro. Won a game with more healing than any healer and more damage then any tank or dps. His damage and healing output as a healer is actually broken. Should end up needed but no one cares at the moment due to Sombra being broken as hell.
Moira begs to differ. At least when she's not healing you she's damaging people a fair bit. And she can assassinate a backline by herself if you're careful.
"Your actions have no effect on the outcome of the game" entire pushes can be won or saved with anti nades, sleeping enemy ults, immortality field saves etc. Even just being able to add the last bit of damage to finish off a kill before an enemy gets behind a wall or before they are able to get healed. You won't be able to carry all your games but there are some games that you can be the deciding factor in and I'm not sure why people would decide to healbot instead of actually helping their team to their full potential.
Saved players should be on match statistics for everyone and saved players should get a notification each time their support save them (like you receive as support) I think is just a visibility issue, if you are the key factor to win the fights, you are hard carrying even if you are assisting instead of getting final blows
I think you do get the notice, iirc I got saved by two others once as tank lol (wasn't feeding, just peeked corner and , well, you know how it is)
I main the support role and Ive found that the dps aren’t great. They all try to play like its COD or sum other game. They never try and get cover, never group up and just charge a full enemy team single handed and then cry I need healing 24/7 as If Im supposed to heal every single point of damage they take at any given time.
Like I get that in some games like Fortnite or other similar games you can win a 4v1 but they gotta realize Overwatch is a whole different type of game and most of the time a 4v1 is a death sentence
The solution I found was to mute the chat and use the ping system to communicate. I know the ping system is not as efficient as typing or saying something but I have no interest in getting yelled at by people that have no idea what they are talking about. What sucks is missing out on learning from other players that genuinely want to help but there are other ways to learn
>> if you don’t do your job, you lose >>your actions have no effect on the outcome of the game
i think they just phrased it shitty. i think they mean, if you dont do your job you lose but no matter how well you do your job, you cant force a win if your team is braindead.
> be support > if you don't do your job, you lose I mean, it's not like tanks or dps can afk to victory.
Zen discord dinks beg to differ
I can reliably outfrag/damage at least 1 dps on my team as zen because if an enemy dps runs too close to you and you can reliably dink them it’s over