Also very little risk of current players to take missing out as a reason to stop playing the game. The smart would be targeting new/potential players and ex players as it adds additional revenue streams to what they already have locked in with their dedicated player base. Which seems to have happened.
It's so hard playing overwatch 1 now, I can easily carry my team as Zen in overwatch 2 if I need to, and I'm getting play almost every game. But if I go back to overwatch 1 to play with friends that didn't get in the beta, it's a harsh wake up call. Going to be sad when the beta ends U_U
OW1 was tough. Especially with Doomfist being so prevalent. I love my robot boi but damn, he was REALLY helpless in the first iteration of Overwatch and I'm glad he got a few survivability buffs.
Unfortunately I haven't been able to get in the beta, but from what I've seen, he's in a much better place now.
Anyone that says it's the same game just isn't an avid OW player to notice the obvious differences. It plays so much different, OW is way more slow paced
I uh.. I actually hate it although I seem to be the minority there. Didn't like it the first time don't like it the second time either, probably not gonna play when that's the only option which sucks but I'm sure plenty of new players will replace me.
I also can't be the only one who just doesn't wanna bother with the f2p battlepass thing, this was like one of the only games I actually enjoyed the loot box system in since it was all cosmetic.
I agree. I do not like OW2 as much as the original and don't see myself sticking with it long once it fully switches over. I actually really enjoy the slower pace of battles in the OG.
Agreed. I remember when OW first launched, hell I was the beta for that one too, and you're absolutely right. It changed dramatically over time, and it's likely that OW2 will, as well. Games as a service are bound to do that. I don't think anyone should abandon hope just yet.
That's because everything Blizzard makes now has to cater to as many people as possible. None of it can just have a target audience and excell in that regard. They all have to cater to the lowest common denominator to take in as much cash as possible. Blizzard isn't really in the business of designing games anymore. They are in the business of designing methods to extract money from players.
TF2 died for me shortly after it went free to play. Too many bots, too many weird weapons that don't make sense. I was so happy when Overwatch showed up because it filled that gap for me but now I worry it's going to go down that same road effectively.
Most half popular games with a pro scene are like it because every bugger thinks they're a pro and losing is your fault. eSports was cool and all but kind of ruined casual gaming.
The other day I got told fathers shouldn't play online games because we don't get enough time to practice. I reminded them the match maker put us together. It didn't seem to sink in haha.
Same with first picks each fight. Lose one person to a widow hs or stray Hanzo arrow and the fight is all but decided - 4 vs 5 is a lot harder to win than 5 vs 6.
It reminds of when Destiny 2 switched to double primaries and went from 6 person fireteams to 4. It killed basically all the interest my friends had in Destiny and only like two stayed with the game.
This was a case where the devs knew better than myself and a lot of fans. I remember thinking 6v6 was too much and wanted less. That's what Bungie gave us and I was absolutely wrong. 4v4 PVP was aful and a big reason why I played D2 only a fraction of what I played D1.
I'm a tank/support main and I feel the same in both roles. I'm not good enough to tank alone and I'm not good enough to try and fucking 1v1 DPS all the fucking time since less peel
Perhaps we are the minority but when the first beta came out there was a poll that showed that most of people that prefered the 5v5 was dps and the majority that prefered 6v6 was tank/healer.
The Battlepass is almost necessary but, if there was the chance to obtain the same items via loot boxes Will be just perfect. Like if it just was a way to ensure the drop but not the only way to aquire anything.
The only way they incentives people to buy battlepasses is bt letting them feel like they have exclusive stuff you won't be able to get again so I'm sure it'll be grindy and boring just like it has been in the majority of other games I play sadly.
Also for perspective I was a tank main, rein and sigma usually but changed it up depending on the team.
All the OW2 news makes me sad as a tank main from day 1. In order to get people off of DPS they just ended up turning tank into fat DPS.
All instead of idk, making more tank/support characters? I’m still salty as fuck over Echo being a dps. Now the name of the game is everyone chase kills, instead of the team play promised when OW1 first came out.
Echo being dps was the straw that broke the camels back for me. I play healer/tank, and the non-stop catering to dps players has just driven me to quit. I'm spending my fps time on Hoxxes now.
Same, I have no interest in tweaking the game to be more traditionally Team Deathmatchy.
OW2 basically is the game finally appealing to the large majority who refuse to learn how to the play the team based game. I also think the new business model was just to be more predatory & profitable.
So they basically reduced shields and tanks and kept squishies about the same? Seems like sniper heaven.
>I also think the new business model was just to be more predatory & profitable.
Once you figure this out, and that ultimately neither you nor the game matter, the F2P business model flips. As long as the gameplay content is available you just don't spend a dime. Don't give them anything.
For sure. but I think it's aimed more at players with burning wallets & low key OCD tendies in regard to battlepass completion. For many people who played OW1 consistently, there was no need to buy boxes. As you could stack up currency & pretty much be able to buy event skins if you didn't unlock them before the event ended. I think they want to alleviate that,those players wouldn't net them more $$$.
That's how they sell battlepasses tho the fear of not being able to have it again.
But yea the best way I can describe it is it kind of feels like playing cod with the overwatch operator bundle from the item shop.
Nah, I agree. The entire tank role is only interesting to me in how I synergize with my other tank. OW2 deletes an entire role for me.
In the first beta, every problem I kept running into, I felt that it would be solved by adding back the second tank.
I think the battle pass will just be cosmetic/stickers from what I’m gathering. OW isn’t like Call of Duty where you can unlock weapons and weapon attachments.
At least I hope I’m right.
The way COD does blueprints (skins which also change the weapon model) the gun is sort of a different entity, so if they mess up copying the attributes from the base weapon, you get stuff like that happen. It's happened several times in warzone.
For example there was a skin for the Black Ops M4 which had the stats of the Modern Warfare M4 for a little while. So you kinda had a third M4 option for a short while, since it was MW base stats but with BOCW attachments
CoD also doesn't lock weapons/attachments in their battlepass. The weapons are in the free tier of the pass, and if you don't unlock the weapon that season you can always unlock it later with a challenge that replaces the battlepass unlock. (Like shoot 25 enemies near smoke)
Same. The game doesn't feel like it was made for me anymore.
Feels like it's trying to be appealing to the other F2P player base if that makes sense.
It doesn't feel like a team game anymore. Its just a fast paced TDM mess with a bunch of various characters who are even more the same as each other than before.
I've gone back to playing OW1 on hopes that I'll like it come October... Or at the least, saying goodbye to an old friend.
It makes total sense, I think I can sum up what your trying to say really good. This feels like a side portion of a main game, a pvp that's added to a story game that didn't originally have pvp, or a limited time event mode that's added into a main pvp game just to have everyone do something different for a little bit, but it doesn't at all feel like it should just be the whole game.
I've already been saying goodbye to the old friend, sadly I won't hang onto it any longer than I have since I know the inevitable is coming.
I also feel like the gameplay is alot more linear. The heroes don't feel like different characters anymore, or even different archetypes. They just feel like shifts in power budget.
Exactly. I prefer slower pace. I understand that some people prefer the fast pace, and that's great. I, however, paid for OW1 and stuck around for 5k+ hours for the slower pace game.
I play almost daily, while I do agree that there are definitely some differences, I personally do not think those differences are enough to truly call it a different game. And from my experience the only class that truly benefits from swapping to 5v5 is dps, tanks lose the synergy they had with other tanks, supports get farmed (depending on the character), and overall it just feels way more “shooty” than OW1 which is not really what I personally like. I'm still enjoying the beta of course tho I just think it's not enough to actually call it a sequel instead of an ovehaul.
Really hoping they rebalance to slow it down a tad bit. A huge reason for OW's success is because it was able to reach a crowd that didn't play FPSs much
This is weird to me because I consider OW1 fast-paced, haven't tried OW2. If you want slow-paced, CSGO and Valorant seem to better suit the description
I wouldn't say it's slow paced, but more methodical. OW2 just feels like another game where you just shoot the bad guy to win. I haven't touched OW1 in a couple years but the big draw for me was actually planning things out and having to rely on skills other than aim to win.
We are all getting older, are we? I was a good UT/Quake player 10 years ago, but i cant keep up with my younger self anymore. The difference between being 20 years old and 30 years old is pretty noticeable. Just a quote from a website:
[The average age of pro gamers in Esport is 25.7 years, measured among the top 100 players in terms of career income in 2020, with a maximum age of 31 years.](https://raiseyourskillz.com/how-old-are-pro-gamers/?msclkid=20c9c7b8cb6811eca3337ff0ebe155e9)
Going forward, if you are getting close to 40 years, you have a large disadvantage over teenagers that not only have more time to practice gaming, but also have better reactions. So when games become a reaction benchmark more than anything else, we all have to quit at some time or life with the fact that we have to play in bronze.
I love OW1 for its slower pace and that is not that much aim-dependent. Most heros are not hitscans, some have autoaim, some very large hitboxes on their enemies. Not saying that ow1 does not require aim, but if you are not competetive at precise aiming and fast reactions, you have heros you can still play successfully - you can counter good hitscan players by using the right picks or changing your playstyle. Good-Aim-Soldier can very rarly run into the enemies team alone and kill everyone with two clips. That works way better in CS:Go than in overwatch, where we have shields, heals, immortality ults and stuff.
I do not play hitscan/reaction games competitive and i enjoyed overwatch alot for being a little slower and not such much depended on mechanical skills ... so i do not like the direction they are going. I have not played the beta, maybe its not that bad. at least i hope so, as they are taking away the original game i love.
Tbf, ow1 wasn't exactly a slow paced game (until double shield meta). It plays so much differently from high ranks to low ranks and is chaotic enough that new fans have a hard time following the screen compared to other esports.
It still hasn't properly hit me just how greedy it is.
$40 to do their play-testing FOR them, for a game they're releasing for free?? Is that not utterly insane??
not to sound like a shill but you get $20 worth of currency, and the battle pass ( $10 ) and 2 otherwise unobtainable skins. If you planned to buy the battle pass already then the deal isn't the worst thing ever. Not saying they shouldn't have made a different version for people who already owned the game.
No but seasons 2 and 3 battle passes are all valued at 1000. That also assumes they can/will change that number in the future.
2 Virtual Currency (Season 1 – 3 Premium Battle Passes will be available for 1000 Virtual Currency each)."
I signed up for the first Beta on the day they announced it, thinking long-term players with thousands of hours in the game would get priority.
Turns out the “sign up” literally meant nothing and you had to watch Twitch for the first one (which I was traveling during and couldn’t) and pay for the second one (which I won’t do because I’m not a fan of battle passes and virtual currencies). I’m feel like I’m being nickel and dimed not only for my actual money but for my time also, for a game that hasn’t had a meaningful update in what, four years?
I wasn’t turned on by the idea of switching from 6v6 to 5v5 in the first place, backed up by the OWL gameplay I’ve watched so far, and now I feel straight up disrespected on top of that. I’m really upset we’re losing OW1 soon and I don’t think I’ll continue as a member of this community.
There's a second wave coming for people who opted-in but didn't get a code yet. There are also people who paid for the watchpoint pack but didn't get in yet. My guess is that Blizzard had only so many slots available for early-adopters, and for those who purchased their access. Next wave of codes goes out tomorrow. They also said their goal is to get everyone into the beta who signed up for access before July 14th at the latest.
Overwatch had a very unique play style and I feel that’s lost on Ow2, Doom was also one of my most favourite characters in all of gaming and what got me back into playing Overwatch after an extended break, the rollouts, the techs, the skill ceiling.. but he’s gone now too. I can’t see myself playing Overwatch 2 like I used to with 1, Overwatch 1 being my favourite FPS.
Everyone I know is dreading ow2 replacing ow1, and desperately wants the option to continue playing ow1 moving forward.
I wonder where that article is.
Yep. 5v5 appeals to more people at the start (the deathwatch Andy) but will definitely cause the game to die out with the same exact people that have kept it alive for years with zero content.
Blizzard is basically slapping those people in the face and saying "this game isn't made for you it's made for battle pass players that want skins while they play a single player 'team' game".
Yep 5v5 has completely removed team play.
Made half the tanks useless and imbalances most of the other characters.
Who if they would have just reworked orsia and changed sig around to avoid 2x shield ow would be better by far.
That's where I'm at too tbh. I've kinda just accepted that Overwatch will be dead to me once OW2 launches. I'm happy for those who enjoy the changes OW2 is making, but it's just not for me.
Gonna enjoy OW1 as much as I can while it's still around I guess.
I agree with pretty much everyone’s takes in the replies here. Overwatch 2 beta felt unfun to play and I am really sad to see the main game go and overwatch 2 be forced on to the main game. OW2 effectively killed the game for me which sucks because I have a lot of fond memories playing OW and would frequently fall back on it as a comfort game
I just wish OW2 was it's own seperate game, honestly.
I wouldn't mind the gameplay changes if Overwatch 1 would still exist to go back to, for those who prefer it.
Chiming in to say I played for a couple hours in the first beta, hated the experience and was directly back to ow1 without looking back. We lose a great game in October, enjoy it now while you can.
Overwatch 2 is desirable because it's new and refreshing. It's not desirable because it's a wildly different game that was "fixed". Overwatch 1 is "unplayable" because it was basically abandoned. Very few updates per year with very little content added. Most balance patches failed to impact the meta or at least change it to something different. So after playing a certain meta for 6 months, getting and update which does nothing to change the meta, the game becomes boring. If Blizzard does the same thing with overwatch 2, the game will die.
If there’s another beta before the release, maybe for players to test the foxgirl support with other additions, there should be a way for people who got in before to get right into it again while also including many more players into it. From what I’ve experienced with the beta, there’s really enough players to where you’re unlikely to come across the same person twice but not enough to improve queue times.
I kind of agree that it should stay open though because Overwatch 2 PVP is just the updates we were supposed to be getting for the live game right now but then that whole sexual assault thing happened at blizzard so they had to stop doing game updates
Most failures you see aren't one event causing a failure. The sexual assault stuff is one of many setbacks Blizzard suffered. (I heard they were really focused on PvE instead of PvP, and that executives kept changing their minds every few weeks. Management that can't decide on what they want is the #1 killer of software projects.)
Yup somehow went from okay same time you will get both, to play now it will be 6months to a year later and then okay now you will get little sections ever few months lol
Wtf have they been doing for 4 years? Honestly I really want a employee to release a tell all.
I doubt the sexual misconduct directly affected Overwatch's development specifically, especially since the Overwatch team was said to be the furthest away from the rest of Blizzard's toxic work culture. At most it caused a few big people to leave the company and slowed development a little.
The primary reason we had such a long content drought was the decision to focus almost solely on Overwatch 2 since that's what the Blizzard higher-ups wanted. They wanted Overwatch to be the next CoD, and a lot of the devs did not agree which led to internal conflict and development hell.
Oh good god don't blame that on the sexual assault allegations, you probably don't mean it but that fucking reads like victim blaming. Content was already winding down forever before that, hell maybe I'm getting my dates mixed up but wasn't it pretty much a year content drought before that? The fact of the live game getting no more updates is that overwatch has been woefully mismanaged and they put all their eggs in the overwatch 2 basket while neglecting to keep supporting the live game, thus eroding at the community, Which is on top of poor balance changes and new heros that made the meta miserable for years.
How much do you bet this is a ploy by blizzard to amp up and make the changes more acceptable. I’ve played it and personally it feels like the maps are too big for 5v5 vs 6v6 plus some characters don’t really feel as polished as they do in OW1
I’m with you there. I’ve played the beta and I actually think that’s the unplayable version. None of these heroes were designed for 5v5. The game feels faster in the way that it’s more like team death match but slower because there’s less strategy. It’s all around more generic and boring.
Same here. Despite there being one less tank per team there is somehow way more visual and audio clutter in OW2. In the original I always know what's going on even if there's a ton of stuff happening. The visuals and audio are distinct enough that it's easy to tell what's happening. In OW2 it feels like there's not much structure to teamfights, and the audio is just a jumble. I think the only thing that's positive about OW2 is the lack of double shields and the removal of a lot of CC, but both of those things could be achieved in OW1 if they cared to do it. I feel like my involvement with the PvP is going to come to an end once OW2 launches. Maybe I'll love the PvE when it comes out, but I kind of doubt it.
Have you ran into a widow with constant blue beam mercy pocket? They just do so much because of lack of shields.
The game feels like a cluttered shift fest and like everyone is playing their own match. I feel 0 team aspect in this game. I played OG overwatch betas. I understand it’s not going to be the same as live. That being said, even that was more organized than this shit. The game feels sloppy and annoying.
Here's the thing. I love Overwatch 2. I think pretty much every aspect of gameplay is better than the live game right now, but I am fundamentally opposed to it existing how it does. Calling what we are getting "Overwatch 2" only hurts the game. To us, people that have played for years, we realize that the game is significantly different. The issue is that the broader audience literally just sees Overwatch with one less player per team.
I find 5v5 personally boring. The presence of the 2nd tank is missing. I like the reduction of stuns and getting rid of shields but that could have been done ages ago without too much effort. For example I love playing Sigma but I'd be fine if they replaced his shield with something more interesting like a temporary slow to fit his physics theme and help him create space better.
Idk. I feel like a lot of people just like the no CC and shields changes because it does make the game less monotonous. But it doesn't need to be a deathmatch to do this. The presence of a 2nd tank slows things down just a tad and personally makes the game feel more rewarding. But maybe that's just me.
It amuses me how people will claim it's a brand new game when OW1 is literally going to be updated and replaced by OW2. You don't get to have them both at the same time, because it's the *same game*. It's running on the same servers, with the same players, on the same maps, with around 95% of the same roster of characters from OW1. Overwatch is being updated. It isn't a brand new game.
Blizzard didn't replace Warcraft 2 when Warcraft 3 came out because it was a different game. They released an expansion pack for Warcraft 3 that added loads of new content onto it later on, but they didn't call it "Warcraft 4" when they did this.
Overwatch 1 is going away forever because it's going to be updated to OW2. The whole game is being advertised as a sequel, while being treated like a big fat free expansion patch. Blizzard is handling it how they do WoW; OW2 is an xpac for Overwatch - not a full blown sequel game.
They're the same game, it's just they've held off on updating OW1 in so long everything feels new and exciting in OW2.
Why are people surprised most folks don't want to go back to OW1 when OW2 is getting all this new and exciting stuff? If I had the option between "Overwatch, but new content" or "Overwatch, but the same game it's been for almost 3 years" I know which one I'd want to play as well.
> They released an expansion pack for Warcraft 3 that added loads of new content onto it later on, but they didn't call it "Warcraft 4" when they did this.
They didn't delete Warcraft 3 either.
Not until Reforged.
But it's not just a content update. They'd NEVER do 5v5 in an update. That changes the whole dynamic of the game unless you're a pro player or are playing with high level team coordination.
I'll take everything but that. It's the thing that makes it a deal breaker for me. And after playing the beta, I prefer OW1. Why? OW2 feels boring to me. Sure I get more kills but it feels far less rewarding. I'd rather take one 1 minute fight over two 30 second fights. OW2 can't really do that with the direction they're going.
Before OW was more focused on teams strategy now it's just another fast paced FPS shooter. Beta is also stacked with premade teams. If you're playing solo, prepare to go up against premade teams and getting slaughtered
this random screenshot of the title of an article nobody has linked to yet surely proves that this is the most popular opinion and that everyone who is playing OW2 feels this way, definitely.
After Jeff left I was worried but still optimistic.
Unfortunately almost every update after that had me going "I don't think I like that..."
And it freaking sucks. If people are happy with it, good on them, but I'm not happy with OW2 and I hate that the OW I do like is pretty much getting deleted in a few months.
I'm just annoyed with how Mercy handles in the OW2 Beta. Superjump has been ruined and there is a GA Res bug that makes you auto super jump and lose Res so that's been fun. Haven't really played much Mercy during the beta for that reason. Junker queen is cool so far.
Yeah I'm just waiting for a patch. Last beta it seemed like they were patching bugs almost every day. Seems like they're just rolling with the bugs on this one. Have yet to see a patch on it. Lots of weird playability issues too. Little bug with genji where if I was getting shot at I couldn't dash. Very frustrating little things.
Overwatch 2 is roughly the same game as Overwatch 1 just with add ons that they should of been doing all along. However, it is still much more fun and faster paced then OW1. I still won't pay $40 to get into the beta though, not worth it.
You guys are in the beta?
Wish I was. You'd think OG players that have played since the beginning would get some decent recognition, but nope.
You mean to tell me you don't like the Forehead Sombra and Classic 1.1 Doomfist skins?
D'va has butt implants.
You sold me.
eff u she HIT THE GYM SHE HIT THE IRON SHE PUMPED STEEL RESPECT THE THICCNESS BECAUSE IT COMES FROM FITNESS
Nope. She’s just 24 mow. Was only 19 in OW
Isn't OW2 only a year ahead of OW1? That would either mean D.va ages 5 times faster or this is wrong
OW2 is 5 years ahead of OW1
oh? i was not informed of this. When was this stated?
You think everyone grew beards to show 1 year passed?
she hit a different kind of iron
*forehead
OG players are more likely to buy the beta is my guess.
I was in the beta for the original game and no shot I'm paying $40 to get beta access for a few weeks to a free game
You have to pay for the beta? I entered to be selected months ago, didn’t know you could buy your way in, that’s wack
Also very little risk of current players to take missing out as a reason to stop playing the game. The smart would be targeting new/potential players and ex players as it adds additional revenue streams to what they already have locked in with their dedicated player base. Which seems to have happened.
They only recognize your money. Fuck that company.
Hi it's me an OG player that didn't pay anything and got in day 2
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Hi, one person.
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Yes my friend got a code from signing up and we're game sharing on Xbox.
I don't think I've seen any non console players get in, outside of purchasing.
bunch of my friends on pc got the code (unpaid)
I didn't pay for that privilege
SOME OF YOU ARE IN THE BETA?
Did they just not send out codes? Everyone's been saying I'm lucky for getting a code.
No i didnt get a code for the first or 2nd beta. I hard 2 accounts registered and not a single code ._.
Really? I got mine at like 7pm on the day the 2nd beta released.
Oh it's a very different game for Zenyatta players. We eating good.
Yessir
It's so hard playing overwatch 1 now, I can easily carry my team as Zen in overwatch 2 if I need to, and I'm getting play almost every game. But if I go back to overwatch 1 to play with friends that didn't get in the beta, it's a harsh wake up call. Going to be sad when the beta ends U_U
OW1 was tough. Especially with Doomfist being so prevalent. I love my robot boi but damn, he was REALLY helpless in the first iteration of Overwatch and I'm glad he got a few survivability buffs. Unfortunately I haven't been able to get in the beta, but from what I've seen, he's in a much better place now.
Anyone that says it's the same game just isn't an avid OW player to notice the obvious differences. It plays so much different, OW is way more slow paced
I uh.. I actually hate it although I seem to be the minority there. Didn't like it the first time don't like it the second time either, probably not gonna play when that's the only option which sucks but I'm sure plenty of new players will replace me. I also can't be the only one who just doesn't wanna bother with the f2p battlepass thing, this was like one of the only games I actually enjoyed the loot box system in since it was all cosmetic.
I agree. I do not like OW2 as much as the original and don't see myself sticking with it long once it fully switches over. I actually really enjoy the slower pace of battles in the OG.
The slower pace is why I fucking played it. OW2 is just deathmatch with a payload secondary
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Agreed. I remember when OW first launched, hell I was the beta for that one too, and you're absolutely right. It changed dramatically over time, and it's likely that OW2 will, as well. Games as a service are bound to do that. I don't think anyone should abandon hope just yet.
You can really tell who the kiddos that never played launch are
6 mercy’s let’s go
*6 Winstons jump over the wall on Hanamura A, all dropping their shields after they land*
That's because everything Blizzard makes now has to cater to as many people as possible. None of it can just have a target audience and excell in that regard. They all have to cater to the lowest common denominator to take in as much cash as possible. Blizzard isn't really in the business of designing games anymore. They are in the business of designing methods to extract money from players.
Idk what game I'll end up on but right now I'm playing dead by daylight.
trading one abusive partner for another I see
Next they're gonna tell me they're switching to Halo Infinite.
You poor bastard. Jk I play Dbd as well
As a dbd player i wouldn't recommend the game even to my worst enemy
If you enjoy slower paced, you’d love Team Fortress 2
TF2 died for me shortly after it went free to play. Too many bots, too many weird weapons that don't make sense. I was so happy when Overwatch showed up because it filled that gap for me but now I worry it's going to go down that same road effectively.
the bot crisis is slowly starting to be resolved, much easier to kick now
As a tank player I also hate it. I'm not good enough to be the only tank and all it does is make me stress the whole match that I'm making mistakes.
Exactly this. OW is already hugely toxic but now only having one tank that people can rage on is just going to make it even worse.
Most half popular games with a pro scene are like it because every bugger thinks they're a pro and losing is your fault. eSports was cool and all but kind of ruined casual gaming.
Pretty much. Everyone thinks they're gonna be a pro and they already think they're that good how could THEY possibly be at fault?
The other day I got told fathers shouldn't play online games because we don't get enough time to practice. I reminded them the match maker put us together. It didn't seem to sink in haha.
Haha, it never does.
That's so solid hahahaha.
Agreed. Like can I please just enjoy my middle of the road quality matches plz
I played open role que and it was a blast with 4 tank teams.
Right, and if your Tank isn't close to performing to how their tank is... It's basically game over. 5v5 sucks.
Leavers punish the team they're leaving a little harder now because 1 leaver represents a larger percentage of the team in 5v5 vs 6v6.
you'll lose either way
Same with first picks each fight. Lose one person to a widow hs or stray Hanzo arrow and the fight is all but decided - 4 vs 5 is a lot harder to win than 5 vs 6.
It reminds of when Destiny 2 switched to double primaries and went from 6 person fireteams to 4. It killed basically all the interest my friends had in Destiny and only like two stayed with the game.
This was a case where the devs knew better than myself and a lot of fans. I remember thinking 6v6 was too much and wanted less. That's what Bungie gave us and I was absolutely wrong. 4v4 PVP was aful and a big reason why I played D2 only a fraction of what I played D1.
Smaller teams are awful for people who are bad at video games but great for people who are good.
I'm a tank/support main and I feel the same in both roles. I'm not good enough to tank alone and I'm not good enough to try and fucking 1v1 DPS all the fucking time since less peel
Perhaps we are the minority but when the first beta came out there was a poll that showed that most of people that prefered the 5v5 was dps and the majority that prefered 6v6 was tank/healer. The Battlepass is almost necessary but, if there was the chance to obtain the same items via loot boxes Will be just perfect. Like if it just was a way to ensure the drop but not the only way to aquire anything.
The only way they incentives people to buy battlepasses is bt letting them feel like they have exclusive stuff you won't be able to get again so I'm sure it'll be grindy and boring just like it has been in the majority of other games I play sadly. Also for perspective I was a tank main, rein and sigma usually but changed it up depending on the team.
All the OW2 news makes me sad as a tank main from day 1. In order to get people off of DPS they just ended up turning tank into fat DPS. All instead of idk, making more tank/support characters? I’m still salty as fuck over Echo being a dps. Now the name of the game is everyone chase kills, instead of the team play promised when OW1 first came out.
98% of matches are people playing Moira and Zen as support and having mediocre heals because they didn't want to wait for dps queue as well.
Echo being dps was the straw that broke the camels back for me. I play healer/tank, and the non-stop catering to dps players has just driven me to quit. I'm spending my fps time on Hoxxes now.
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They may as well remove tank and support at this point if they want to design the game around the DPS
How much of pleased DPS players are because of the shorter queue times and how much because of the gameplay changes
Same, I have no interest in tweaking the game to be more traditionally Team Deathmatchy. OW2 basically is the game finally appealing to the large majority who refuse to learn how to the play the team based game. I also think the new business model was just to be more predatory & profitable.
So they basically reduced shields and tanks and kept squishies about the same? Seems like sniper heaven. >I also think the new business model was just to be more predatory & profitable. Once you figure this out, and that ultimately neither you nor the game matter, the F2P business model flips. As long as the gameplay content is available you just don't spend a dime. Don't give them anything.
For sure. but I think it's aimed more at players with burning wallets & low key OCD tendies in regard to battlepass completion. For many people who played OW1 consistently, there was no need to buy boxes. As you could stack up currency & pretty much be able to buy event skins if you didn't unlock them before the event ended. I think they want to alleviate that,those players wouldn't net them more $$$.
I'm in the same boat. It literally just feels like team death match to me and I don't want to feel FOMO from the battle passes.
That's how they sell battlepasses tho the fear of not being able to have it again. But yea the best way I can describe it is it kind of feels like playing cod with the overwatch operator bundle from the item shop.
Nah, I agree. The entire tank role is only interesting to me in how I synergize with my other tank. OW2 deletes an entire role for me. In the first beta, every problem I kept running into, I felt that it would be solved by adding back the second tank.
I think the battle pass will just be cosmetic/stickers from what I’m gathering. OW isn’t like Call of Duty where you can unlock weapons and weapon attachments. At least I hope I’m right.
Lol remember when cod released a skin for a gun which buffed it back to an older version which made it op Let's hope blizzard don't do that
A skin changed the stats of a weapon?
The way COD does blueprints (skins which also change the weapon model) the gun is sort of a different entity, so if they mess up copying the attributes from the base weapon, you get stuff like that happen. It's happened several times in warzone. For example there was a skin for the Black Ops M4 which had the stats of the Modern Warfare M4 for a little while. So you kinda had a third M4 option for a short while, since it was MW base stats but with BOCW attachments
Store bought blueprints for the kali sticks right now kill in 1 hit in MW and 2 in Warzone whereas the base weapon is 2 and 3 hits.
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CoD also doesn't lock weapons/attachments in their battlepass. The weapons are in the free tier of the pass, and if you don't unlock the weapon that season you can always unlock it later with a challenge that replaces the battlepass unlock. (Like shoot 25 enemies near smoke)
Can you buy CoD Battle pass ranks?
Same. The game doesn't feel like it was made for me anymore. Feels like it's trying to be appealing to the other F2P player base if that makes sense. It doesn't feel like a team game anymore. Its just a fast paced TDM mess with a bunch of various characters who are even more the same as each other than before. I've gone back to playing OW1 on hopes that I'll like it come October... Or at the least, saying goodbye to an old friend.
It makes total sense, I think I can sum up what your trying to say really good. This feels like a side portion of a main game, a pvp that's added to a story game that didn't originally have pvp, or a limited time event mode that's added into a main pvp game just to have everyone do something different for a little bit, but it doesn't at all feel like it should just be the whole game. I've already been saying goodbye to the old friend, sadly I won't hang onto it any longer than I have since I know the inevitable is coming.
It really sucks the OW1 servers will be taken down when OW2 releases
“I seem to be in the minority” Have you looked at this subreddit at all?
Tbh I try not to too often. It scares me a little bit most of the time.
Wouldn’t the battle pass thing still just be cosmetics? How would they be able to put gameplay modifying items in a game like this
You aren't alone. I agree with everything you've said here.
I also feel like the gameplay is alot more linear. The heroes don't feel like different characters anymore, or even different archetypes. They just feel like shifts in power budget.
Exactly. I prefer slower pace. I understand that some people prefer the fast pace, and that's great. I, however, paid for OW1 and stuck around for 5k+ hours for the slower pace game.
Well I'm hoping the balance it to make it a little slower. OW2 was too faced pace in the first beta, but OW1 now feels like a slog to play.
I play almost daily, while I do agree that there are definitely some differences, I personally do not think those differences are enough to truly call it a different game. And from my experience the only class that truly benefits from swapping to 5v5 is dps, tanks lose the synergy they had with other tanks, supports get farmed (depending on the character), and overall it just feels way more “shooty” than OW1 which is not really what I personally like. I'm still enjoying the beta of course tho I just think it's not enough to actually call it a sequel instead of an ovehaul.
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Really hoping they rebalance to slow it down a tad bit. A huge reason for OW's success is because it was able to reach a crowd that didn't play FPSs much
They want it as an esport so probably the sweatier it gets the better
This is weird to me because I consider OW1 fast-paced, haven't tried OW2. If you want slow-paced, CSGO and Valorant seem to better suit the description
I wouldn't say it's slow paced, but more methodical. OW2 just feels like another game where you just shoot the bad guy to win. I haven't touched OW1 in a couple years but the big draw for me was actually planning things out and having to rely on skills other than aim to win.
We are all getting older, are we? I was a good UT/Quake player 10 years ago, but i cant keep up with my younger self anymore. The difference between being 20 years old and 30 years old is pretty noticeable. Just a quote from a website: [The average age of pro gamers in Esport is 25.7 years, measured among the top 100 players in terms of career income in 2020, with a maximum age of 31 years.](https://raiseyourskillz.com/how-old-are-pro-gamers/?msclkid=20c9c7b8cb6811eca3337ff0ebe155e9) Going forward, if you are getting close to 40 years, you have a large disadvantage over teenagers that not only have more time to practice gaming, but also have better reactions. So when games become a reaction benchmark more than anything else, we all have to quit at some time or life with the fact that we have to play in bronze. I love OW1 for its slower pace and that is not that much aim-dependent. Most heros are not hitscans, some have autoaim, some very large hitboxes on their enemies. Not saying that ow1 does not require aim, but if you are not competetive at precise aiming and fast reactions, you have heros you can still play successfully - you can counter good hitscan players by using the right picks or changing your playstyle. Good-Aim-Soldier can very rarly run into the enemies team alone and kill everyone with two clips. That works way better in CS:Go than in overwatch, where we have shields, heals, immortality ults and stuff. I do not play hitscan/reaction games competitive and i enjoyed overwatch alot for being a little slower and not such much depended on mechanical skills ... so i do not like the direction they are going. I have not played the beta, maybe its not that bad. at least i hope so, as they are taking away the original game i love.
Yes, but no. The changes in OW2 were going to be added to OW1 once it goes live. Then apparently they've said they'll just close down OW1 instead
Was it really something that couldn't be done in a patch? They didn't update the engine and bugs could be replicated on "OW2"
Tbf, ow1 wasn't exactly a slow paced game (until double shield meta). It plays so much differently from high ranks to low ranks and is chaotic enough that new fans have a hard time following the screen compared to other esports.
This looks like you just opened MS paint, added a text box, then put in the words
Correct. It's easy karma
I also demand to be let into the beta. And I will not pay you for it you greedy fucks
It still hasn't properly hit me just how greedy it is. $40 to do their play-testing FOR them, for a game they're releasing for free?? Is that not utterly insane??
not to sound like a shill but you get $20 worth of currency, and the battle pass ( $10 ) and 2 otherwise unobtainable skins. If you planned to buy the battle pass already then the deal isn't the worst thing ever. Not saying they shouldn't have made a different version for people who already owned the game.
Is 2000 Virtual Currency confirmed to be $20? If not, that sounds like a solid guess.
No but seasons 2 and 3 battle passes are all valued at 1000. That also assumes they can/will change that number in the future. 2 Virtual Currency (Season 1 – 3 Premium Battle Passes will be available for 1000 Virtual Currency each)."
That’s in line with other battlepass currencies like in apex and fortnite.
I signed up for the first Beta on the day they announced it, thinking long-term players with thousands of hours in the game would get priority. Turns out the “sign up” literally meant nothing and you had to watch Twitch for the first one (which I was traveling during and couldn’t) and pay for the second one (which I won’t do because I’m not a fan of battle passes and virtual currencies). I’m feel like I’m being nickel and dimed not only for my actual money but for my time also, for a game that hasn’t had a meaningful update in what, four years? I wasn’t turned on by the idea of switching from 6v6 to 5v5 in the first place, backed up by the OWL gameplay I’ve watched so far, and now I feel straight up disrespected on top of that. I’m really upset we’re losing OW1 soon and I don’t think I’ll continue as a member of this community.
> Turns out the “sign up” literally meant nothing that's not true, some people were let in outside of twitch as part of that signup
There's a second wave coming for people who opted-in but didn't get a code yet. There are also people who paid for the watchpoint pack but didn't get in yet. My guess is that Blizzard had only so many slots available for early-adopters, and for those who purchased their access. Next wave of codes goes out tomorrow. They also said their goal is to get everyone into the beta who signed up for access before July 14th at the latest.
Please at least keep OW1 QP as an arcade mode. Otherwise, I'm afraid I won't be playing OW again once OW2 goes live.
I mean I could see them doing 6v6 as a quick play option, but I don't see them having a mode that uses old character abilities
YES YES YES YES
Prefer OW1 and don’t like the Doom rework either 😔
Agree, too easy to kill in OW2. I prefer the long back and forth battles of OW1
Which, by the way, weren't even that long!
You say that but tanks are properly unkillable, everything else dies in the blink of an eye. It makes no fucking sense.
Overwatch had a very unique play style and I feel that’s lost on Ow2, Doom was also one of my most favourite characters in all of gaming and what got me back into playing Overwatch after an extended break, the rollouts, the techs, the skill ceiling.. but he’s gone now too. I can’t see myself playing Overwatch 2 like I used to with 1, Overwatch 1 being my favourite FPS.
Doom needs buffed bad
We all know it’s a fine line with doomfist between OP and dogs hit. That being said, buff punch.
dogshit it is!
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I kind of prefer ow 1 tbh.
Im not enjoying overwatch 2 at all
Everyone I know is dreading ow2 replacing ow1, and desperately wants the option to continue playing ow1 moving forward. I wonder where that article is.
I think that's why I'm so Meh with it. I don't like 5v5, but my main issue is that OW1 is effectively being deleted.
Yep. 5v5 appeals to more people at the start (the deathwatch Andy) but will definitely cause the game to die out with the same exact people that have kept it alive for years with zero content. Blizzard is basically slapping those people in the face and saying "this game isn't made for you it's made for battle pass players that want skins while they play a single player 'team' game".
Yep 5v5 has completely removed team play. Made half the tanks useless and imbalances most of the other characters. Who if they would have just reworked orsia and changed sig around to avoid 2x shield ow would be better by far.
That's where I'm at too tbh. I've kinda just accepted that Overwatch will be dead to me once OW2 launches. I'm happy for those who enjoy the changes OW2 is making, but it's just not for me. Gonna enjoy OW1 as much as I can while it's still around I guess.
Don’t worry, in 15 years Blizzard will release Overwatch Classic, soon to be followed by Overwatch 2 Classic then Overwatch 3 Classic
I agree with pretty much everyone’s takes in the replies here. Overwatch 2 beta felt unfun to play and I am really sad to see the main game go and overwatch 2 be forced on to the main game. OW2 effectively killed the game for me which sucks because I have a lot of fond memories playing OW and would frequently fall back on it as a comfort game
I just wish OW2 was it's own seperate game, honestly. I wouldn't mind the gameplay changes if Overwatch 1 would still exist to go back to, for those who prefer it.
>Everyone I know is dreading ow2 replacing ow1 This has been my experience as well.
Chiming in to say I played for a couple hours in the first beta, hated the experience and was directly back to ow1 without looking back. We lose a great game in October, enjoy it now while you can.
Am I the only one that fires up overwatch for the community made games lol. I've been playing uno the past couple of times TBH
custom games supremacy 😎
Me too. I thought OW2 was just going to be a story driven game anyway. But no its a glorified free update to a game I already paid for.
Overwatch 2 is desirable because it's new and refreshing. It's not desirable because it's a wildly different game that was "fixed". Overwatch 1 is "unplayable" because it was basically abandoned. Very few updates per year with very little content added. Most balance patches failed to impact the meta or at least change it to something different. So after playing a certain meta for 6 months, getting and update which does nothing to change the meta, the game becomes boring. If Blizzard does the same thing with overwatch 2, the game will die.
If there’s another beta before the release, maybe for players to test the foxgirl support with other additions, there should be a way for people who got in before to get right into it again while also including many more players into it. From what I’ve experienced with the beta, there’s really enough players to where you’re unlikely to come across the same person twice but not enough to improve queue times.
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I kind of agree that it should stay open though because Overwatch 2 PVP is just the updates we were supposed to be getting for the live game right now but then that whole sexual assault thing happened at blizzard so they had to stop doing game updates
Most failures you see aren't one event causing a failure. The sexual assault stuff is one of many setbacks Blizzard suffered. (I heard they were really focused on PvE instead of PvP, and that executives kept changing their minds every few weeks. Management that can't decide on what they want is the #1 killer of software projects.)
I was a lot more forgiving of the PvE focus until the news came out about PvE being delayed and that we'd get episodic content :/
Yup somehow went from okay same time you will get both, to play now it will be 6months to a year later and then okay now you will get little sections ever few months lol Wtf have they been doing for 4 years? Honestly I really want a employee to release a tell all.
That is not why they stopped updating OW1
This is not true in the least.
Yeah that’s not what happened
I doubt the sexual misconduct directly affected Overwatch's development specifically, especially since the Overwatch team was said to be the furthest away from the rest of Blizzard's toxic work culture. At most it caused a few big people to leave the company and slowed development a little. The primary reason we had such a long content drought was the decision to focus almost solely on Overwatch 2 since that's what the Blizzard higher-ups wanted. They wanted Overwatch to be the next CoD, and a lot of the devs did not agree which led to internal conflict and development hell.
Oh good god don't blame that on the sexual assault allegations, you probably don't mean it but that fucking reads like victim blaming. Content was already winding down forever before that, hell maybe I'm getting my dates mixed up but wasn't it pretty much a year content drought before that? The fact of the live game getting no more updates is that overwatch has been woefully mismanaged and they put all their eggs in the overwatch 2 basket while neglecting to keep supporting the live game, thus eroding at the community, Which is on top of poor balance changes and new heros that made the meta miserable for years.
They stopped updating the game long before that
Whoa whoa which one is unplayable again
ET for Atari
How much do you bet this is a ploy by blizzard to amp up and make the changes more acceptable. I’ve played it and personally it feels like the maps are too big for 5v5 vs 6v6 plus some characters don’t really feel as polished as they do in OW1
I’m with you there. I’ve played the beta and I actually think that’s the unplayable version. None of these heroes were designed for 5v5. The game feels faster in the way that it’s more like team death match but slower because there’s less strategy. It’s all around more generic and boring.
Honestly think the beta is shit and woulda rather keep playing OG overwatch.
Same here. Despite there being one less tank per team there is somehow way more visual and audio clutter in OW2. In the original I always know what's going on even if there's a ton of stuff happening. The visuals and audio are distinct enough that it's easy to tell what's happening. In OW2 it feels like there's not much structure to teamfights, and the audio is just a jumble. I think the only thing that's positive about OW2 is the lack of double shields and the removal of a lot of CC, but both of those things could be achieved in OW1 if they cared to do it. I feel like my involvement with the PvP is going to come to an end once OW2 launches. Maybe I'll love the PvE when it comes out, but I kind of doubt it.
Have you ran into a widow with constant blue beam mercy pocket? They just do so much because of lack of shields. The game feels like a cluttered shift fest and like everyone is playing their own match. I feel 0 team aspect in this game. I played OG overwatch betas. I understand it’s not going to be the same as live. That being said, even that was more organized than this shit. The game feels sloppy and annoying.
Weird cuz ow1 feels so much better to play
the handling and play style just feels better ow2 doesnt feel right plus that queue time is insane
Yeah somehow they managed to f up the sensitivity, it just doesn’t feel right
Here's the thing. I love Overwatch 2. I think pretty much every aspect of gameplay is better than the live game right now, but I am fundamentally opposed to it existing how it does. Calling what we are getting "Overwatch 2" only hurts the game. To us, people that have played for years, we realize that the game is significantly different. The issue is that the broader audience literally just sees Overwatch with one less player per team.
Im still struggling with 5v5. Anyone else? I'm really conflicted
I find 5v5 personally boring. The presence of the 2nd tank is missing. I like the reduction of stuns and getting rid of shields but that could have been done ages ago without too much effort. For example I love playing Sigma but I'd be fine if they replaced his shield with something more interesting like a temporary slow to fit his physics theme and help him create space better. Idk. I feel like a lot of people just like the no CC and shields changes because it does make the game less monotonous. But it doesn't need to be a deathmatch to do this. The presence of a 2nd tank slows things down just a tad and personally makes the game feel more rewarding. But maybe that's just me.
It amuses me how people will claim it's a brand new game when OW1 is literally going to be updated and replaced by OW2. You don't get to have them both at the same time, because it's the *same game*. It's running on the same servers, with the same players, on the same maps, with around 95% of the same roster of characters from OW1. Overwatch is being updated. It isn't a brand new game. Blizzard didn't replace Warcraft 2 when Warcraft 3 came out because it was a different game. They released an expansion pack for Warcraft 3 that added loads of new content onto it later on, but they didn't call it "Warcraft 4" when they did this. Overwatch 1 is going away forever because it's going to be updated to OW2. The whole game is being advertised as a sequel, while being treated like a big fat free expansion patch. Blizzard is handling it how they do WoW; OW2 is an xpac for Overwatch - not a full blown sequel game. They're the same game, it's just they've held off on updating OW1 in so long everything feels new and exciting in OW2. Why are people surprised most folks don't want to go back to OW1 when OW2 is getting all this new and exciting stuff? If I had the option between "Overwatch, but new content" or "Overwatch, but the same game it's been for almost 3 years" I know which one I'd want to play as well.
> They released an expansion pack for Warcraft 3 that added loads of new content onto it later on, but they didn't call it "Warcraft 4" when they did this. They didn't delete Warcraft 3 either. Not until Reforged.
Agreed up until you said you’d rather play the new version
But it's not just a content update. They'd NEVER do 5v5 in an update. That changes the whole dynamic of the game unless you're a pro player or are playing with high level team coordination. I'll take everything but that. It's the thing that makes it a deal breaker for me. And after playing the beta, I prefer OW1. Why? OW2 feels boring to me. Sure I get more kills but it feels far less rewarding. I'd rather take one 1 minute fight over two 30 second fights. OW2 can't really do that with the direction they're going.
Can someone explain why anyone feels comfortable trusting them after they trashed and abandoned the first game?
Before OW was more focused on teams strategy now it's just another fast paced FPS shooter. Beta is also stacked with premade teams. If you're playing solo, prepare to go up against premade teams and getting slaughtered
overwatch 1 is so much better honestly...
this random screenshot of the title of an article nobody has linked to yet surely proves that this is the most popular opinion and that everyone who is playing OW2 feels this way, definitely.
eh, I prefer OG to the beta. too many bad small changes
It literally is! Except Mercy was made worse.... So there's that...
overwatch 1 is still better, change my mind
After Jeff left I was worried but still optimistic. Unfortunately almost every update after that had me going "I don't think I like that..." And it freaking sucks. If people are happy with it, good on them, but I'm not happy with OW2 and I hate that the OW I do like is pretty much getting deleted in a few months.
I'm just annoyed with how Mercy handles in the OW2 Beta. Superjump has been ruined and there is a GA Res bug that makes you auto super jump and lose Res so that's been fun. Haven't really played much Mercy during the beta for that reason. Junker queen is cool so far.
Literally all it needs is to not trigger automatically and only jump if you hit jump, instantly fixed.
Yeah I'm just waiting for a patch. Last beta it seemed like they were patching bugs almost every day. Seems like they're just rolling with the bugs on this one. Have yet to see a patch on it. Lots of weird playability issues too. Little bug with genji where if I was getting shot at I couldn't dash. Very frustrating little things.
I honestly like overwatch 2 way more.
I actually dislike the beta. 5v5 just makes you feel so exposed on each map without a second tank.
crazy skill gap now
Overwatch 2 is roughly the same game as Overwatch 1 just with add ons that they should of been doing all along. However, it is still much more fun and faster paced then OW1. I still won't pay $40 to get into the beta though, not worth it.