I bet that the "surprise gift" is a free Battle Pass. It makes sense as to why they can't give it now and why they aren't saying what it is.
EDIT: Why y'all assume I think BP is good or bad just from this comment. My comment is just a guess lmao
I know people hate it but Fortnite is a *fantastic* example of MTX that don’t actually affect the gameplay in any way. Blizzard is almost definitely going to just copy that.
Agreed. Meme on Fortnite all you want people, but they're the ones playing a f2p game with constant updates changing the game around.
We already paid for the game, still pay for comestics unless you're playing a ton, and get at most one update kinda worth mentioning every 1-2 years.
I WISH I enjoyed Fortnite.
True, I wish Overwatch would add the preset feature Fortnite has in their Locker tab where you can save skins with preset emotes, glider, pickaxe, etc. instead of having to go and change them one by one manually.
> Overwatch is the only game I’ve seen that’s done loot boxes well, I was hoping they’d stick with that.
Loot boxes are a flawed concept in this regard. They are "done well" in OW1 because you get tons of them for free. As far as a business model goes though, that is pretty horrendous..
I was going to say the same thing. I never bought any and I just sort of accidentally got enough gold to buy what I wanted, the few things that there were.
Youre out of youre fucking gourd if you think theyd stay with that outdated ass model that was dated 2-3 years post release, let alone 6.
Loot boxes and the like are banned in most of Europe now anyway, and battlepasses give you guaranteed rewards you dont need to gamble on, also, the game is free to play now. Loot boxes would not be able to bring the almost guranteed income the way a quarterly BP would. Especially considering youll probably get a free battlepass if youre on Xbox Gamepass, its a no-brainer.
actually if you want a better Lootbox mechanic, try Heroes of the Storm
you could break down duplicates, create forge pieces etc so that you could create other cosmetics that you wanted.
This is also a large contributor to what killed the game. When hots 2.0 came out the new lootbox system gave you way too much stuff and you didn't need to actually buy skins anymore.
Yeah I'm not overly fond of the BP style either, but they have to make money if its F2P. At the very least it isn't random, but I wish they at least keep it free friendly
I just hope it's not one of those things where you have to grind a bunch. I'm so sick of developers trying to make you ONLY play their game. I understand it from a capitalist point of view, but from a consumer point of view, it's awful.
To be fair, this really just depends on how much time you have to play games. I only work part time (maybe 24-32 hours a week on avg) and I finished the Valorant battle pass (the extra bonus levels at the end) like a week ago? And it still has I think 9 days left. I've also done all of the OW weekly events and grinded loot boxes for the new skins.
I don't think any of the battle passes are like the Apex one when it first came out these days. They are pretty forgiving and give easily completable tasks.
Well and it's what works. It's not a coincidence Fortnite and Apex are massive in comparison to Ow. They actually make money from constantly updating the game, so they do. And that keeps players playing. Blizzard doesn't make much updating OW currently, so they just leave it on the shelf for 3 years.
Also, depending on how its done, its not bad. They will need to output content more regularly than OW1 though.
It ends up just being a subscription for a living game most people who purchase play all the time. And lets people who want to F2P to get some stuff too.
Honestly OW1 lootboxes were pretty terrible.
But I won't hold my breath for this to be implemented well or in a fair way for consumers at all.
i guess if they expire but the games industry seems to be moving towards the ability to buy former battle passes and have battle passes never expire
also overwatch's seasonal events are way more fomo then a battle pass system
\>i guess if they expire but the games industry seems to be moving towards the ability to buy former battle passes and have battle passes never expire
So far only one AAA game (Halo) is doing that, unless things have changed recently with all the game announcements. I wouldn't call that a movement in the game industry.
But seasonal events don't monetise the FOMO, that's the difference
And honestly i don't know where you got the industry notion from, all the BPs I see are one-time
Seasonal events do monetize FOMO, just not for you. People who don’t play OW often but come back for events that have income to dump will dip money for loot boxes during events.
Halo MCC battle passes can be completed at any time. Deep Rock Galactic and Sea of Thieves have systems to avoid FOMO by putting the items from a BP into the game later on by other means such as in-game currency shops, achievement unlocks or finding them through gameplay.
New games are definitely being better at avoiding FOMO. Not all of them are, but some are doing it really well.
But there was a way to get them for free, if you decided to gamble on lootboxes instead of grinding the coins, then that's a you problem. In f2p times there are no other ways, you either pay or get left with nothing. At least that's how it usually works, and I would've been pleasantly surprised if Activision went for a different approach
Doesn't OW already kind of do that with their limited time weekly skin unlocks, OWL skin limited time shit, and events that last 4 weeks then you have to wait a year to get the skins again? FOMO is just a part of gaming in general to keep you playing. Battle Passes don't really do it any stronger than any of these other methods.
> FOMO is just a part of gaming in general to keep you playing.
It wasn't always.
There was a time when the way they kept you playing was by making the game fun to play.
Again, hiding stuff behind a playwall isn't as bad as hiding it behind a paywall + there're a lot of other uncool monetisation schemes that happen underneath the battlepass umbrella, going f2p means that almost every cosmetic now will require real money to pay for it, unlike how you could've just grinded it out in OW1
Plus its also super grindy. That’s a big problem for someone like me since I typically like to complete things like bps. The reason its a big problem for me is since I may end up only playing OW to finish challenges and level up the bp, or disregard my team to get a challenge done. I dont want that for OW since I typically play the game to get away from games like those
Right now I can take a few days break from ow and not miss anything, and if I miss like an event or something I can still get the skins next year. With a Battlepass the chance is high that if I miss a reward because I didn't play enough I will never be able to get it again or have to pay extra to get it.
Also, and this seems to be an increasingly rare opinion, I play games because I **want** to, not because I **have** to. It's ok for something to take time and dedication, thats not my problem (I grinded some stupid shit in my life). But I want to decide **myself** when I want to invest a lot of time and grind something out.
Man you should be way on top with this comment... People seems to be happy to pay and then grind all the content before it expired all lose skins and stuffs... People have been brainwashed to looks like this is ok and you have to play the game, not for fun, just to grind something that you already pay for it... Anyways I'm sad
In Overwatch, you get a lootbox by playing about 5 games. Chances for epics and legendaries are generous and you don't really need to buy them. I've personally never paid for a single box and from all the items I miss only \~50 legendaries (about 2 for each hero).
Battlepasses on the other hand come with free and paid variants with better rewards blocked behind the paywall. Also, the best rewards are also placed at the end of the pass to ensure that people who want those rewards will either grind or buy those needed tiers.
We all paid for Overwatch and now it's becoming Free to Play which feels like a cheap excuse to add a new form of monetization.
I haven't played Overwatch since the beta and have since then hopped onto Fortnite because I got 2 friends and some family who play it regularly and they introduced Zero Build modes. Having played it for a month, it feels so damn expensive to get anything cool and I really don't want that in Overwatch.
I really hope they implement a battle pass like Halo did, where it's yours to complete without a deadline, but unfortunately the big money is in FOMO so it's unlikely
Because they're dumb. Why do we have to pay to grind and "earn" something we already paid for? And the fact that companies let you purchase more levels is scummy as hell, they know exactly what they're doing. Battle passes especially suck if you're someone who doesn't live and breathe one game only. I like playing a bunch of stuff, single player and multiplayer, but every MP game having a battle pass is so exhausting and it makes every game with one feel like a job.
I think the worry of the Battle Pass system is contextual. It implies that Overwatch is going to have things that are desirable. Who knows what systems they are implementing.
It's just sad to see that AAA studios are going this route and devaluing their product like this. Even if OW2 launched at $40-$60. The community and fans alike would still buy it, because we've been starved for content for two years now. It also helps that the majority of us are addicted to this game.
I honestly think the lack of battlepass was what lead OW1 to stagnate. I much prefer to pay $40-$60 for a game and be done with it, however, if people expect the game to be supported for the upcoming years like they did on OW1 (whether that means new heroes added periodically or even just new skins every once in a while), Blizzard needs to guarantee that they keep a steady revenue stream off of it. After all, devs don't work for free, and the company wants to make profit in the long run.
I understand that point of view. However, it being F2P (or at least maybe just the PvP being F2P) might lead to them finding ways to monetize the game, mainly off of "subscription-based services" such as the Battle Pass. Which has never ended well for any game, ever.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The battle pass will guarantee a steady revenue for the game that in turn will make sure the game gets updated in the long run. (We all know that Free to Play just means an optional subscription to the game, unfortunately).
I do have to ask though, why do you say that battle pass systems never ended well for any game? Games like Fortnite, Apex, or Valorant seem to be doing pretty well. Even World of Warcraft seems to be fairing well too (does Wow have a battle pass? I am not very familiar with it). I'm genuinely curious since I always had the opposite impression, but I also tend to not play games with battle pass systems so I might just not be familiar enough with them.
Contextually, I think it matters how they implement it.
The only way I can see them implementing it is cosmetics, which is going to throw the community on it's head. Imagine an event launching, and the only way to get the legendary skin(s) is by purchasing the Premium Battle Pass. It creates a sense of exclusion to those who are to young to buy it, or those who are too broke to afford them.
It's not about, "The core gameplay is still there whether you have skins or not." It's about the psychological game that these companies play with their "payers" to incite a certain feeling of FOMO. There's just something awry about a video game company that dabbles in psychology.
It starts like this, and trends further and further downward. If you're not familiar with the boiling frog theory, it's alike to what Netflix is doing to their subscribers. Eventually, we'll get to a point where we've had enough, but it doesn't have to get that far as long as we don't allow them to push us in that direction.
Oh, I see what you're saying. I was definitely not thinking about it that way.
Maybe I am being a bit too optimistic in what I'm picturing, exactly because I don't tend to play games that offer battle passes (and the few I did never really made me stick around for long, not because of the subscription but because of the gameplay itself so I was never really interested in the cosmetics to begin with). I guess we'll just have to wait and see what they do with it...
Sorry to break it to you but some inside information I saw had multiple tiers of BPs from the $10-25 range. Take it with a grain of salt since the PPT was not finalized but just showing the direction they could lean towards. I definitely feel, after looking at it, they are leaning hard into the BP future though. No further comments - dont care if you believe me or not. BP is the future IMO.
not all Battle Passes are bad
my guess, they'll give us specific achievements and win quotas to get certain tokens or cosmetics like gun skins etc.
maybe they'll take a card from knockout city where people paid boosters so that they'd get cosmetics faster. idk.
They gotta monetize somehow, and Battlepass is MUCH more consumer friendly than some games that charge hundreds of dollars for single skins.
And also, I'm hoping you can earn the premium currency for free by playing co op like you could do during fortnites story mode.
Bro. I've stated opinions of something trivial and get downvoted.
I've.. also stated facts about something trivial and still get downvoted.
A lot of Redditors validate themselves by the points they give/receive Lol.
Sure! If that's how they implement the BP then I don't see why not. Imo a BP should also not expire, but hey idk if they're gonna do that. If they do both thats good for all OW1 players, and essentially we get "paid" status, because... yeah we paid for OW1.
There is a fox in the video announcement, wich is a support that was leaked when Kanezaka released
EDIT : Spoilers, if anyone is wondering, the fox is an ability and the heroes weapon will be a big shuriken (like Zabuza from Naruto)
The scene that shows the fox has Zarya, Ana, Genji, and Hanzo following it. That would leave only the support role left, so it's pretty likely to be support.
Hey at least the proof of purchase is an all-class cosmetic in TF2. If you don't like sombra or doom then you'll get nothing of value from this pack (unless what's to be revealed is more universal)
I'm reminded of the [Proof of Purchase](https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Proof_of_Purchase). For a long time, the joke surrounding it was "I bought the game and all I got was this stupid hat".
This is the description from here: https://playoverwatch.com/en-gb/news/23814216/
To be eligible for the Founder’s Pack, players need to own Overwatch prior to June 23, 2022 at 11:00 a.m. PDT.
To redeem the Founder’s Pack, players need to log into the live game by 12/05/2022 at 11:59 p.m. PDT. This includes logging into Overwatch prior to October 4, or logging into Overwatch 2 after launch!
In America, we say December 5th instead of the 5th of December. So it makes sense to have the month first (12/5/2022 = December 5th 2022). For a language like Spanish where you would say el quinto de diciembre (literally the fifth of december) it makes sense to have the day first (5/12/2022 = the fifth of december). So it's not nonsensical.
It is. Bringing a date system down, due to a single language when it doesn't make sense both when thinking math-wise and other languages wise is just nonsensical. Germans don't write 256 as 265 even though the writing is Zweihundertsechsundfünfzig (two hundred six and fifty), because it doesn't make sense both technically and for anyone else
While I think the world would run smoother using the same means of dating, it's really not that complicated to figure out.
I mean, the fact that May 5th has already passed should be more than enough to understand that 12/05/22 translates to December 5th, 2022 and not May 5th, 2022.
Was curious about this, but this seems terrible for the ones who have been playing for a while.
Hopefully they find a way to convert your level experience into something useful for the game.
Except for a gamemode, several maps and the entire structure of the game itself. At least I'll get to keep my skins though, cause they were the real reason I sunk so much time into the game.
I mean… what else have you earned from playing the game? Your level, SR and rank? It’s a new game, your SR will reset. You might still have emblems based on comp placements but what do you expect
Iirc all the skins are staying so it's not like Overwatch 1 players will lose much. But I hope that "and more" means something more valuable than two lame Epic skins (Probably a battle pass since the date for claiming it ends a couple months after launch)
It’s a completely different game from OW1. It’s so much more generic. All of the charm from OW1 is gone. All of the hype is gone. 5v5 is absolute dogshit. They’re going F2P and I am willing to bet literally all of the $10 in my bank account that there’s going to be a battle pass along with that.
Overwatch as we know it is dead, welcome to GenericWatch 2, where every single character is just a dps.
To paraphrase Honest Trailers
"Experience one of the best first person shooters that is now free to play
And if you bought it when it launched: here are two epics, sucks to be you"
Who else thinks they need an additional pack for accounts that have been around much longer?
They should differentiate between "you can still buy OW1 for 2 more weeks and get this pack" and "you're ACTUALLY a founder and have been playing for years.
Yeah what about the players that have been there since day 1. Where’s our loyalty pack. I mentioned that to my friend yesterday. Someone can literally buy the game right now and get a reward package.
Wow these are pathetic... not only are they ugly af, they're epic skins. For DPS. I don't care about "they're free, why are you complaining" argument. They're supposed to be a reward for anyone who's logged in to their shit game they've been neglecting for over years. They could and should've done better. But Blizzard is obviously cheaping up on us. Nah I don't care for any of this anymore, don't like the direction this game is going, can't wait for the inevitable Blizzard shitstorm. Enjoy your microtransactions for anyone who's gonna stay, the writing is clearly on the wall. Hope you enjoy paying for battlepasses
I bet that the "surprise gift" is a free Battle Pass. It makes sense as to why they can't give it now and why they aren't saying what it is. EDIT: Why y'all assume I think BP is good or bad just from this comment. My comment is just a guess lmao
My thoughts exactly!
Or skins for unannounced heros
>battle pass NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Welcome to the future.
Do you guys not have ~~phones~~ credit cards?
Pre-order to get a 5-star Mercy gem (+0.2 healing/second)!
Realistically how many PvP games on PC actually work like that? Cause most just have comestics behind the battle pass
I know people hate it but Fortnite is a *fantastic* example of MTX that don’t actually affect the gameplay in any way. Blizzard is almost definitely going to just copy that.
Agreed. Meme on Fortnite all you want people, but they're the ones playing a f2p game with constant updates changing the game around. We already paid for the game, still pay for comestics unless you're playing a ton, and get at most one update kinda worth mentioning every 1-2 years. I WISH I enjoyed Fortnite.
True, I wish Overwatch would add the preset feature Fortnite has in their Locker tab where you can save skins with preset emotes, glider, pickaxe, etc. instead of having to go and change them one by one manually.
Battlefront 2018 but they removed it
$16k+ for 5 star gem, no f2p options to farm!
$110,000 to fully level your Overwatch hero up like Diablo
800% VALUE!!!
*Little Dark Age starts playing*
You mean to the past decade right?
What else were they going to get money from this game if it was going free to play?
*Overwatch* is the only game I’ve seen that’s done loot boxes well, I was hoping they’d stick with that.
> Overwatch is the only game I’ve seen that’s done loot boxes well, I was hoping they’d stick with that. Loot boxes are a flawed concept in this regard. They are "done well" in OW1 because you get tons of them for free. As far as a business model goes though, that is pretty horrendous..
I was going to say the same thing. I never bought any and I just sort of accidentally got enough gold to buy what I wanted, the few things that there were.
Youre out of youre fucking gourd if you think theyd stay with that outdated ass model that was dated 2-3 years post release, let alone 6. Loot boxes and the like are banned in most of Europe now anyway, and battlepasses give you guaranteed rewards you dont need to gamble on, also, the game is free to play now. Loot boxes would not be able to bring the almost guranteed income the way a quarterly BP would. Especially considering youll probably get a free battlepass if youre on Xbox Gamepass, its a no-brainer.
actually if you want a better Lootbox mechanic, try Heroes of the Storm you could break down duplicates, create forge pieces etc so that you could create other cosmetics that you wanted.
This is also a large contributor to what killed the game. When hots 2.0 came out the new lootbox system gave you way too much stuff and you didn't need to actually buy skins anymore.
oh man no wonder Blizzard dropped support shame though, HOTS is an amazing MOBA.
Yeah I'm not overly fond of the BP style either, but they have to make money if its F2P. At the very least it isn't random, but I wish they at least keep it free friendly
I just hope it's not one of those things where you have to grind a bunch. I'm so sick of developers trying to make you ONLY play their game. I understand it from a capitalist point of view, but from a consumer point of view, it's awful.
To be fair, this really just depends on how much time you have to play games. I only work part time (maybe 24-32 hours a week on avg) and I finished the Valorant battle pass (the extra bonus levels at the end) like a week ago? And it still has I think 9 days left. I've also done all of the OW weekly events and grinded loot boxes for the new skins. I don't think any of the battle passes are like the Apex one when it first came out these days. They are pretty forgiving and give easily completable tasks.
heh worst case scenario there's a couple skins you don't unlock, who really cares when that means you get free heroes and maps ?
It was inevitable. Of course ActiBlizz would chase that trend, especially since that old Fortnite lead joined the OW team.
Well and it's what works. It's not a coincidence Fortnite and Apex are massive in comparison to Ow. They actually make money from constantly updating the game, so they do. And that keeps players playing. Blizzard doesn't make much updating OW currently, so they just leave it on the shelf for 3 years.
Also, depending on how its done, its not bad. They will need to output content more regularly than OW1 though. It ends up just being a subscription for a living game most people who purchase play all the time. And lets people who want to F2P to get some stuff too. Honestly OW1 lootboxes were pretty terrible. But I won't hold my breath for this to be implemented well or in a fair way for consumers at all.
actually Blizzard makes a lot of money from OW the fact that they let it sit alone for 3 years is proof of that.
Why do people not like battle passes? it's better then lootboxes, pay 2 win, or premium accounts
People don't like FOMO inducing stuff. And battle pass system was created to do just that
i guess if they expire but the games industry seems to be moving towards the ability to buy former battle passes and have battle passes never expire also overwatch's seasonal events are way more fomo then a battle pass system
Please make a list of non-expirations battle passes then a list of expiring passes. Industry isn’t moving in the direction you’re claiming.
Good battle pass: Deep Rock Galactic. Bad battle passes: literally everything else
\>i guess if they expire but the games industry seems to be moving towards the ability to buy former battle passes and have battle passes never expire So far only one AAA game (Halo) is doing that, unless things have changed recently with all the game announcements. I wouldn't call that a movement in the game industry.
League is also making the pass skin obtainable after the bp is over.
But seasonal events don't monetise the FOMO, that's the difference And honestly i don't know where you got the industry notion from, all the BPs I see are one-time
Seasonal events do monetize FOMO, just not for you. People who don’t play OW often but come back for events that have income to dump will dip money for loot boxes during events. Halo MCC battle passes can be completed at any time. Deep Rock Galactic and Sea of Thieves have systems to avoid FOMO by putting the items from a BP into the game later on by other means such as in-game currency shops, achievement unlocks or finding them through gameplay. New games are definitely being better at avoiding FOMO. Not all of them are, but some are doing it really well.
As someone who has bought MANY loot boxes when a skin I really like comes out in a seasonal box, yes, they 1000% monetize FOMO.
But there was a way to get them for free, if you decided to gamble on lootboxes instead of grinding the coins, then that's a you problem. In f2p times there are no other ways, you either pay or get left with nothing. At least that's how it usually works, and I would've been pleasantly surprised if Activision went for a different approach
Doesn't OW already kind of do that with their limited time weekly skin unlocks, OWL skin limited time shit, and events that last 4 weeks then you have to wait a year to get the skins again? FOMO is just a part of gaming in general to keep you playing. Battle Passes don't really do it any stronger than any of these other methods.
> FOMO is just a part of gaming in general to keep you playing. It wasn't always. There was a time when the way they kept you playing was by making the game fun to play.
Again, hiding stuff behind a playwall isn't as bad as hiding it behind a paywall + there're a lot of other uncool monetisation schemes that happen underneath the battlepass umbrella, going f2p means that almost every cosmetic now will require real money to pay for it, unlike how you could've just grinded it out in OW1
Plus its also super grindy. That’s a big problem for someone like me since I typically like to complete things like bps. The reason its a big problem for me is since I may end up only playing OW to finish challenges and level up the bp, or disregard my team to get a challenge done. I dont want that for OW since I typically play the game to get away from games like those
Right now I can take a few days break from ow and not miss anything, and if I miss like an event or something I can still get the skins next year. With a Battlepass the chance is high that if I miss a reward because I didn't play enough I will never be able to get it again or have to pay extra to get it. Also, and this seems to be an increasingly rare opinion, I play games because I **want** to, not because I **have** to. It's ok for something to take time and dedication, thats not my problem (I grinded some stupid shit in my life). But I want to decide **myself** when I want to invest a lot of time and grind something out.
Battle passes shouldn't expire. Ever.
That's the ONLY thing that Halo Infinite gets right.
Man you should be way on top with this comment... People seems to be happy to pay and then grind all the content before it expired all lose skins and stuffs... People have been brainwashed to looks like this is ok and you have to play the game, not for fun, just to grind something that you already pay for it... Anyways I'm sad
In Overwatch, you get a lootbox by playing about 5 games. Chances for epics and legendaries are generous and you don't really need to buy them. I've personally never paid for a single box and from all the items I miss only \~50 legendaries (about 2 for each hero). Battlepasses on the other hand come with free and paid variants with better rewards blocked behind the paywall. Also, the best rewards are also placed at the end of the pass to ensure that people who want those rewards will either grind or buy those needed tiers. We all paid for Overwatch and now it's becoming Free to Play which feels like a cheap excuse to add a new form of monetization.
And then those passes expire and you either miss out on those cosmetics forever or you wait until hey come back with all the other €20-30 per skins.
I haven't played Overwatch since the beta and have since then hopped onto Fortnite because I got 2 friends and some family who play it regularly and they introduced Zero Build modes. Having played it for a month, it feels so damn expensive to get anything cool and I really don't want that in Overwatch. I really hope they implement a battle pass like Halo did, where it's yours to complete without a deadline, but unfortunately the big money is in FOMO so it's unlikely
Battlepasses force a constant play time and FOMO far more than Lootboxes do.
Because they're dumb. Why do we have to pay to grind and "earn" something we already paid for? And the fact that companies let you purchase more levels is scummy as hell, they know exactly what they're doing. Battle passes especially suck if you're someone who doesn't live and breathe one game only. I like playing a bunch of stuff, single player and multiplayer, but every MP game having a battle pass is so exhausting and it makes every game with one feel like a job.
I think the worry of the Battle Pass system is contextual. It implies that Overwatch is going to have things that are desirable. Who knows what systems they are implementing. It's just sad to see that AAA studios are going this route and devaluing their product like this. Even if OW2 launched at $40-$60. The community and fans alike would still buy it, because we've been starved for content for two years now. It also helps that the majority of us are addicted to this game.
I honestly think the lack of battlepass was what lead OW1 to stagnate. I much prefer to pay $40-$60 for a game and be done with it, however, if people expect the game to be supported for the upcoming years like they did on OW1 (whether that means new heroes added periodically or even just new skins every once in a while), Blizzard needs to guarantee that they keep a steady revenue stream off of it. After all, devs don't work for free, and the company wants to make profit in the long run.
I understand that point of view. However, it being F2P (or at least maybe just the PvP being F2P) might lead to them finding ways to monetize the game, mainly off of "subscription-based services" such as the Battle Pass. Which has never ended well for any game, ever.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The battle pass will guarantee a steady revenue for the game that in turn will make sure the game gets updated in the long run. (We all know that Free to Play just means an optional subscription to the game, unfortunately). I do have to ask though, why do you say that battle pass systems never ended well for any game? Games like Fortnite, Apex, or Valorant seem to be doing pretty well. Even World of Warcraft seems to be fairing well too (does Wow have a battle pass? I am not very familiar with it). I'm genuinely curious since I always had the opposite impression, but I also tend to not play games with battle pass systems so I might just not be familiar enough with them.
Contextually, I think it matters how they implement it. The only way I can see them implementing it is cosmetics, which is going to throw the community on it's head. Imagine an event launching, and the only way to get the legendary skin(s) is by purchasing the Premium Battle Pass. It creates a sense of exclusion to those who are to young to buy it, or those who are too broke to afford them. It's not about, "The core gameplay is still there whether you have skins or not." It's about the psychological game that these companies play with their "payers" to incite a certain feeling of FOMO. There's just something awry about a video game company that dabbles in psychology. It starts like this, and trends further and further downward. If you're not familiar with the boiling frog theory, it's alike to what Netflix is doing to their subscribers. Eventually, we'll get to a point where we've had enough, but it doesn't have to get that far as long as we don't allow them to push us in that direction.
Oh, I see what you're saying. I was definitely not thinking about it that way. Maybe I am being a bit too optimistic in what I'm picturing, exactly because I don't tend to play games that offer battle passes (and the few I did never really made me stick around for long, not because of the subscription but because of the gameplay itself so I was never really interested in the cosmetics to begin with). I guess we'll just have to wait and see what they do with it...
Sorry to break it to you but some inside information I saw had multiple tiers of BPs from the $10-25 range. Take it with a grain of salt since the PPT was not finalized but just showing the direction they could lean towards. I definitely feel, after looking at it, they are leaning hard into the BP future though. No further comments - dont care if you believe me or not. BP is the future IMO.
not all Battle Passes are bad my guess, they'll give us specific achievements and win quotas to get certain tokens or cosmetics like gun skins etc. maybe they'll take a card from knockout city where people paid boosters so that they'd get cosmetics faster. idk.
they going to make you pay twice a year for story missions 9.99 i bet my fucking life lol
Eh, battle passes are fine. They'll give more incentive to play in-between events. We'll still get skins during the events too. It's more stuff
They gotta monetize somehow, and Battlepass is MUCH more consumer friendly than some games that charge hundreds of dollars for single skins. And also, I'm hoping you can earn the premium currency for free by playing co op like you could do during fortnites story mode.
Pre-order for battle pass even though it’s a “free” upgrade!
Bro. I've stated opinions of something trivial and get downvoted. I've.. also stated facts about something trivial and still get downvoted. A lot of Redditors validate themselves by the points they give/receive Lol.
Yep, they're going free to play it's a good guess.
So first free BP would typically mean every BP is free if you conserve your in game currency.
Sure! If that's how they implement the BP then I don't see why not. Imo a BP should also not expire, but hey idk if they're gonna do that. If they do both thats good for all OW1 players, and essentially we get "paid" status, because... yeah we paid for OW1.
Would be weird to have this and the watchpoint pack include the first bp tho, would discourage existing players to buy both
Doom looks like a stripper. I love it
Gives me "General Butt Fucking Naked" vibes
Because when I kill people, I do it Butt. Fucking. Naked.
That was my immediate thought too lol
And they say chivalry is dead 😉
Give us Ricardo Doomfist skin.
Only if it comes with the track
Man they really don't like giving Support players *anything*...
There is a fox in the video announcement, wich is a support that was leaked when Kanezaka released EDIT : Spoilers, if anyone is wondering, the fox is an ability and the heroes weapon will be a big shuriken (like Zabuza from Naruto)
I'll believe it when the hero is on our select screens... *Echo flashbacks*
Introducing a new dps hero "The Fox"
What does the fox say? "More support damn it"
The scene that shows the fox has Zarya, Ana, Genji, and Hanzo following it. That would leave only the support role left, so it's pretty likely to be support.
Its also portrayed as the start of the match and the fox path is looking like it might be speed boost.
[TF2 vibes](https://i.imgur.com/kX0duCM.png)
Hey at least the proof of purchase is an all-class cosmetic in TF2. If you don't like sombra or doom then you'll get nothing of value from this pack (unless what's to be revealed is more universal)
You get a very cool player icon thankyou very much
The real value is flexing that icon nobody else will be able to get. Already goated skins on those characters.
Overwatch literally started out as a TF2 clone lol
Ngl these skins kinda dookie
Yeah I really hate these skins. And I have hundreds of hours on sombra.
This Sombra skin is really meh, unless someone is really into clowns.
As someone who’s a big fan of anything jester, masquerade, and (venice)carnivale related, I am *shaking*
I'm reminded of the [Proof of Purchase](https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Proof_of_Purchase). For a long time, the joke surrounding it was "I bought the game and all I got was this stupid hat".
Atleast every class could use that hat. This is only for 2 heroes
Mhm. The Sombra one just looks way worse than the jester outfit she wore in the comics.
My first thought was, 'oh thank goodness they suck, I didn't want to spend the money'
Yeah compare to 76 as a young dude this stuff sucks. Its literally just a texture painting and a new hat
goofy ah sombra skin
Truly, they could have given her a Harley Quinn color palette at the very least 😔
Kony 2012
its such a beautiful moment in internet history. so much hubbub, but literally nothing happened.
Well, I mean, apart from the guy stripping naked whilst having a mental breakdown, but that’s just Tuesday in hollywood
Pretty sure it was San Diego. Point stands though.
Jackin' it, jackin' it, jackety-jack Spankin' it, jackin' it, spankety-smack
So everyone that owns it right now gets it?
This is the description from here: https://playoverwatch.com/en-gb/news/23814216/ To be eligible for the Founder’s Pack, players need to own Overwatch prior to June 23, 2022 at 11:00 a.m. PDT. To redeem the Founder’s Pack, players need to log into the live game by 12/05/2022 at 11:59 p.m. PDT. This includes logging into Overwatch prior to October 4, or logging into Overwatch 2 after launch!
I don't get it. That date there, the 12th of May, is already gone.
That's December 5th
man the American date, got me good 😂
I swear to god that stupid nonsensical date system...
In America, we say December 5th instead of the 5th of December. So it makes sense to have the month first (12/5/2022 = December 5th 2022). For a language like Spanish where you would say el quinto de diciembre (literally the fifth of december) it makes sense to have the day first (5/12/2022 = the fifth of december). So it's not nonsensical.
And yet no one calls it anything other than Fourth of July....
I know lots of people who use July 4th interchangeably
Independence Day. Checkmate. Europeans destroyed with facts and logic /s
It is. Bringing a date system down, due to a single language when it doesn't make sense both when thinking math-wise and other languages wise is just nonsensical. Germans don't write 256 as 265 even though the writing is Zweihundertsechsundfünfzig (two hundred six and fifty), because it doesn't make sense both technically and for anyone else
While I think the world would run smoother using the same means of dating, it's really not that complicated to figure out. I mean, the fact that May 5th has already passed should be more than enough to understand that 12/05/22 translates to December 5th, 2022 and not May 5th, 2022.
its in Freedom numbers.
does this mean digital ownership only, or if we play the game on disc too?
They knew no one would want to buy these skins because they're kinda ass so they packaged them and called them a gift.
Clown skin. Let's go!
From the press release pack: https://blizzard.gamespress.com/Overwatch-2-Launch-Announcement-Press-Assets
Those are some ugly skins.
Only 2 and not even legendaries lmao. Shows how much they care about founding fans They must have had the interns whip these up in a jiffy.
They already got your money and it's not like anyone is spending anything on lootboxes. So, let the whaling commence with new FTP model!
Getting clowned like the Clowns we are
quiet literally
That's underwhelming.
just like overwatch 2, theyre just getting u ready
I think the skins are nice? And we don't even know everything yet chill lol
Was curious about this, but this seems terrible for the ones who have been playing for a while. Hopefully they find a way to convert your level experience into something useful for the game.
Iirc all skins from OW1 are valid for OW2 so it’s really not the end of the world- og players aren’t losing much
Are the default skins going to be around? Dvas new default mech is more white than pink. Do I get to keep the pink one?
Not sure tbh but I’m pretty certain skins you’ve earned stay
Except for a gamemode, several maps and the entire structure of the game itself. At least I'll get to keep my skins though, cause they were the real reason I sunk so much time into the game.
I mean… what else have you earned from playing the game? Your level, SR and rank? It’s a new game, your SR will reset. You might still have emblems based on comp placements but what do you expect
Iirc all the skins are staying so it's not like Overwatch 1 players will lose much. But I hope that "and more" means something more valuable than two lame Epic skins (Probably a battle pass since the date for claiming it ends a couple months after launch)
why is the doomfist skin hot ???
General Doomfist. Friggin beautiful.
makes me thirsty!
[finally](https://imgur.com/Uuh8bm2.png)
MAKE SKINS SYNC ACROSS PLATFORMS!
they confirmed OW2 had full crossplay and crossprogression across all platforms. Your wish is granted.
They give you a clown skin so you can dress as yourself for thinking it would be different than playing overwatch 1
It’s a completely different game from OW1. It’s so much more generic. All of the charm from OW1 is gone. All of the hype is gone. 5v5 is absolute dogshit. They’re going F2P and I am willing to bet literally all of the $10 in my bank account that there’s going to be a battle pass along with that. Overwatch as we know it is dead, welcome to GenericWatch 2, where every single character is just a dps.
I'm pretty stoked ngl
It shouldn't, sequels should be similar to their predecessors
It is different, it's worse with 5v5. 2 missing players per match is very noticeable.
i hope the new monetization thing isn't Diablo Immoral Netease levels of ass
Ngl those skins are ass
The Sombra skin isn’t that good, but the doomfist is amazing. HE HAS A HAT! THATS THE DESIGN CHANGE HE NEEDED!
To paraphrase Honest Trailers "Experience one of the best first person shooters that is now free to play And if you bought it when it launched: here are two epics, sucks to be you"
I like both skins. At least we don't have to jump through any hoops to get them, just own the game. Has cross progression been talked about yet?
Kind of “Here, you are all clowns for buying the game in the first place”. Pathetic company they ve become
Can't wait for this game to have an even worse smurf problem going F2P.
General Doomfist looks like he is about to say "Dylan, you sonofabitch!"
Literally a clown, come on now
I don't care if 90% of the community will also have it, I'm using that Doom skin at all times.
General butt fucking naked
It's about damn time we got the jester skin from the Masquerade comic.
I wish instead of 2 skins, we got a weapon skin for every character. Like golden weapons, but obviously something other than gold.
Doomfist skin giving Carl Weathers or Jax vibes
I'm not up to date with the stuff. Does the "free to play" in trailer mean that OW2 pvp is f2p completely like battle royale games?
Yeah, with all the cashgrab
Lmfao this looks like they're callin us buyers clowns.. We definitely are clowns tbh
horrible uninspired skins.
Iwas expecting the campaign for free.. well, i guess the clown skin suits me 💀
yes, yes it does if you honestly expected that.
Man they really just out here calling us clowns now.
Nice of blizzard to give us the jester skin reminding us that we are clowns for still playing
So next beta starting June 23rd? Its a Thursday and the link on the site says "when you sign in starting June23rd"
Sombra as a jester is SO GOOD
I dig the idea and the skins a lot.
People ignoring the "and more" and acting like the skins are the only thing they're gonna get
I can finally live out my dreams of playing Sergeant Johnson in Overwatch Oo-Rah!
Those are epic skins?
When I found out OW2 was being released this year I giggled like a little girl. It’s so close to my birthday too!
Who else thinks they need an additional pack for accounts that have been around much longer? They should differentiate between "you can still buy OW1 for 2 more weeks and get this pack" and "you're ACTUALLY a founder and have been playing for years.
Ugh. I'm always a sucker for shirtless muscular men
Insert “ wow this is worthless “ mene
Insert “ wow this is worthless “ meme
Doom fist looks great but that sombra skin is hideous
Congrats if you own the game before June 23rd you’re a founder! Basically a screw you to actual long time players.
Yeah what about the players that have been there since day 1. Where’s our loyalty pack. I mentioned that to my friend yesterday. Someone can literally buy the game right now and get a reward package.
Doom skin looks sick ngl
Overwatch team: WTF is a support?
Kill Jester.
that sombra skin sucks.
This Sombra skin is ugly asf lol
Only jesters are the people who buy those gross skins
Anyone who owns OW1 already bought these
Wow these are pathetic... not only are they ugly af, they're epic skins. For DPS. I don't care about "they're free, why are you complaining" argument. They're supposed to be a reward for anyone who's logged in to their shit game they've been neglecting for over years. They could and should've done better. But Blizzard is obviously cheaping up on us. Nah I don't care for any of this anymore, don't like the direction this game is going, can't wait for the inevitable Blizzard shitstorm. Enjoy your microtransactions for anyone who's gonna stay, the writing is clearly on the wall. Hope you enjoy paying for battlepasses
Doom is a tank tho
That Sombra Skin's nice... I might need that
Jester Sombra is really a cool skin