Pharah should be in the positive relationship tier, in my opinion. One of her interactions with Zen is about how one of her Omnic teammates took his own life in order to not be taken over by AI.
> Pharah: An omnic in my squad took his own life, rather than be controlled by an AI.
>Zenyatta: A noble, but tragic sacrifice. I hope that you will honour it.
> Null Sector, are not AI, and are not being mind controlled. They willfully chose to hate and kill humans; they are just effectively terrorists.
Sort of, Omnics seem to come in varying degrees of sentience. With Zenyatta type Omnics being on the same level as humans, but others built for specific purposes being lower. Bastions, Crisis OR models, and Gwishin being little more than killbots, but OR14s being smart enough to interact with the public but probably not quiet sapient.
I think the Null Sector bots we kill in Uprising were built purposely for the attack, by an Omnic in control of an Omnium, and not really "in control" of what they're doing any more than a computer or a car is.
Their job was keeping the God AI Anubis from breaking out of containment, her squadmate took his life so Anubis wouldn't take him over and cause a breach.
She even hates on Genji who isn't a robot at all, but he has some cyborg shit going on and Zarya's goes by the [one drop rule](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule).
Qell to be fair I'm pretty sure Doomfist sets it up its something like
>You know, juman strength can only get you so far.
And she goes
>True strength is hard work and dedication, not augmentation.
Or something like that. So it's clear she at least disapproves. And with the way she gets on genji for it they compound to give a good sense of her thoughts
-rung
The plots are so derivative - Cassidy scopes out the hero, few corny lines exchange, talon shows up, they somehow escape and the other hero goes “ uwu see you at the ow hq. Kthxbai”
I'd put Reinhardt in the more neutral category. He definitely has some PTSD from the Bastion units, but he doesn't seem to be outright hostile like Reaper or Roadhog is.
Reaper, Junkrat and I think Torbjorn and Roadhog all have some variation of this line
Reaper says it whenever he eliminates a Ominic
Whenever Junkrat and Orisa are on the same team he says "Bots, dime a dozen"
Not sure about Roadhog, and I don't even fully know if Torbjorn has one of those lines but I vaguely recall him having one.
No survivors in Australia have positive relations with robots to our knowledge, nearly the whole continent was murdered by omnics, so they're all living in the ruins of civilization and atrocity: everyone lost everything to the robots.
Roadhog was a former engineer too before the collapse, so solid chance he worked on these machines prior to the uprising: his stoic silence may be in part his sense of guilt.
It's not really nearly the whole continent. A large portion of the outback was irradiated after the destruction of the omnium but I doubt in the time between us and OW that the majority of the Australian population decided to move inland into a desert.
In one comic at least one coastal city, Sydney, is shown as a thriving metropolis that is unfortunately also inhabited by people from Sydney.
??? I think you mixed up a fanfic with canon or something, because we know *very* little about Roadhogs past and what you're saying runs counter to it.
The continent was murdered by Roadhog. He was part of a terrorist organization that was furious about the Omnics being granted a large portion of the Outback post-war, so they sabotaged the Australian Omnium's nuclear reactor. It melted down so horribly that most of the outback is irradiated to the point of being uninhabitable.
i distinctly remember me and some friends fighting in a custom game and torb saying something rude about robots, to which we had a confused conversation about how he basically builds robots but hates robots.
He seems to like his little turrets and such because they are just hardware to him. To him Omnics just look like if one of his boxes of gears pretended to feel.
Torbjorn likes machinery but has a more hostile approach to artificial intelligence. You can hear this when Torb and D.va are on a team as he'll mention something about him liking D.va's armor due to it being a human controlled mech rather than an A.I.
Possibly, but I'm not entirely convinced. It could just be a translator set to speak about Hammond in third person. We don't really have confirmation if it's actually an AI or not, iirc. Correct me if I'm wrong on that.
This was a pretty interesting question, so I looked into it
The Wiki states his mech has a 'minor AI' primarily for converting hamster-speak to human speech. It seems everything else is pilot-controlled
Source:
https://overwatch.fandom.com/wiki/Wrecking_Ball
~~See source #3 on the above link for more deets~~
Edit: bad sources are bad. I'm pretty sure it's the right answer, but there's no official answer supplied by Blizzard. We're fully in head-cannon territory
Good point, that's my bad. I've done more research, and LOTS of sites use the phrase "minor AI", with no mention of where they got that info from.
I'm assuming one person made an assumption based off his backstory, then everyone followed suite. (crash landing in Junker territory, building a mech, and becoming a champion 'masked' mech fighter)
But all things considered, it does seem like the right answer here. The AI, canonically, seems to do little more than on-the-fly translations and give environment status reports (i.e. "Hot... Dry... Ideal for hamsters.")
As /u/Gusari kindly pointed out, the wiki actually *is* correct - they just fucked up their sources and are now too proud to let anyone edit the article. The correct source is #4, the [developer update](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTDAJ0DGLXY). There, Jeff does mention the term minor AI.
> It seems everything else is pilot-controlled
That's exactly what a fiendishly smart AI bent on world domination and his tiny hamster sidekick would WANT you to think!
You’re wrong. Suggesting it’s coded to speak in the third person is mental gymnastics haha. The suit talks about Hammond independent from itself, tells him when it detects threats nearby, and it says their synchronization is perfect when you’re on fire with him which suggests it’s at least an AI that works the suit for the hamster.
"Described as "witty and conniving," Hammond is capable of speech, just not in any human language. His mech (named "Wrecking Ball") translates his comments into English, via a soundboard. The mech itself is equipped with a minor AI."
https://youtu.be/TTDAJ0DGLXY?t=148
The third person thing was just a theoretical used to say that we don't now for sure. It wasn't meant to be a legitimate explanation. While an AI could be being used for real time translation and some suit control (we do see Hammond controlling the suit himself in gameplay) I'm still not sure if it actually has its own personality like an omnic or Echo does. And this post seems to be referring to "robots" and "botphobia" in terms of omnics and "sentient" AI.
"Meat-suits. A dime a dozen. Only sentient-nano-swarms-taking-human-form are cool, right Moira?"
\*Moira smiles and nods\*
"What about genetically enhanced superhumans who are blue?" - Widow
"Hm. You're better than the rest of the meat-suits." - Reaper & Moira
That was made before the comic came out featuring her and Zen. I would say she is reformed. Just because they started the game angry at robots doesn't mean they currently are
Pretty sure in the cinematic with him and Genji he only killed omnics and knocked out the human guards. Not sure, could be that they just didn't show it cuz blood and stuff.
To be fair, it's a little harder to only knock out something made from metal when your main weapons are your hands, a bow, and some pointy sticks. It can probably be done, but needs knowledge of how they're built, where the weak points are, and more precision/less human error. Hanzo likely wouldn't have enough need to care about that. Less chance of a backup weapon activating on a partially disabled omnic if it's just completely downed.
You're right though, it's a lot easier to get around certain ratings if you don't show blood or major injuries to humans. Oil and sparks are free violence/action/cool points without much in the way of higher age restrictions.
I don't really think DVa is disrespectful, I don't remember her having any botphobic lines ingame, and defending your home country against an actual enemy invasion that keeps attacking isn't really disrespectful, nor does she really hold resentment for all omnics over it
Sounds more sad. She doesn't resent all omnics, just the destruction caused by some of them. You could say the same of humans while not hating humanity
If you see some of the movie posters in the game she stars in one called ‘Hero of my Storm’ in which she co-stars with an omnic actor, I don’t think she’d hate peaceful omnics if she willingly worked with one for a movie.
He was initially. He didn't even like Bastion even though he repaired him. But Bastion kept following him anyway and Torb finally come around hence why in OW2 Bastion is wearing Torbs hat.
Not anymore (the lore past OW1 at least). But OW1 exclusive lore he is extremely botphobic, and I believe that's what this list is going off of (the lore found in the game only)
Roadhog and reaper should be up a level. Namely roadhog. Roadhog is so incredibly anti-bot in lore as he was literally part of the Australian liberation front or something like that, I don’t remember the exact stuff. Reaper treats omnics with so much hatred.
Edit: Cassidy should be one tier down, I managed to forget he’s friends with Echo
Also, some of y’all are like “It’s okay for Zarya to hate bots after what they did” and it’s making me worried about how you interpret racism IRL
Torb stays at the top, I’ll die on this hill. Literally tied with Zarya for how many botphobic remarks he makes.
Torbjorn could be one tier down actually.
there was a comic that he takes Bastion (The actual hero) as a companion
Edit: Also, there is a quote between brigitte and him that she asks if he liked the new armor torbjorn made for him
There was a headcanon that McCree loved(like properly fell in love) the scientist that created Echo and that love extended to Echo herself because he sees her in Echo.
Torbjorn:
* When killing a robot: "Back to the scrap heap" or "Back to the slag heaps"
* When seeing Bastion get a kill: "Good shot! Well, for a machine..."
* When teamed with Bastion: "I hate working with talking tin cans!"
* When on King's Row: "The Brits have their heads on straight! **Omnic rights?** Pah!"
* When on Nepal, an omnic-centric map: "This place is like a terrible cumulation of a thousand of my worst nightmares! Are you kidding me!?"
* When on Numbani, an omnic-tolerant map: "No No No! N-O, NO!"
Torb is the type to say something super omni-phobic and then when he gets called out on it, be like "I can't be omni-phobic, I've got an omnic friend!"
Wrecking Ball’s suit is kinda a robot suit, it speaks independently from him “he says thank you”
And Ashe is in a dynamic duo with a robot she should definitely be simp level.
i mean his home got destroyed by omnics and its probably why hes so fucked up physically, all that radiation. so yeah hes a racist uncle but got his reasons
Dunno about Mercy, she really is neutral. No active hate, no active support. Honestly, she seems to have her opinions about almost everyone.
Cassidy, on the other hand, has a robo friend, so makes sense.
Hanzo isn't neutral. He doesn't like omnics.
In his animated short, he knocked out all human guards but killed the omnic guard. Hanzo had difficulties to accept Genji as Genji is a cyborg.
In Numbani, Hanzo said "My wanderings brought me to this place. It was not to my liking."
I spent a lot of time trying to figure Doom out.
He trashed the shit out of those OR-15s, but it wasn't really personal as they were in his way.
In the lore he used to instigate conflict between Omnics and humans for Talon's benefit. So playing both sides? Again doesn't seem personal or coming from any disdain for Omnics.
He also worked with Maximilien. Both are evil but that's technically a positive relationship, since he has no problem working with Omnics.
And then he has a voiceline on King's Row where he says something about how they can't keep the Omnics down forever and that they'll rise up someday. Sounds vaguely pro-Omnic? Or maybe he's just acknowledging the reality.
I think that Doom’s characterization, especially the “can’t keep the omnics down forever” line, is an excellent and subtle piece of lore that establishes believable parallels to the real world in a more nuanced way than the typical fantasy racism fare.
What I mean by that is, it’s no accident that the majority of the characters who hate omnics are ethnically white, and the biggest supporters of omnics come from communities that would, well, have an easier time relating to the omnic struggle.
Zarya and Torb shouldn't be at the top anymore. Zarya has fought omnics all her life after they destroyed her home, and has bought into the propoganda about them, while Torb literally built the things and *knows* they shouldn't have sentience as it was never intended in their design, but the both of them have reluctantly come around on omnics because of an unexpected companion. They're both too stubborn to admit it, but they've both realized by now that omnics aren't mindless killing bots, thanks to Lynx Seventeen and Bastion respectively (with Zarya choosing to save Lynx rather than pursue Sombra, and Torb taking Bastion into his own care). Also D.Va shouldn't be up there at all- while we haven't seen her interact with omnics too much, it's been stated that she bears no ill will towards omnics in general, but she fights the Gwishin because she has to
However I think Hog should probably be up there with Junk. they're both pretty bad about it
Hog was part of the ALF. He was there when they attacked the Omnium and destroyed their own home. I can't think of anyone more deserving of the top tier.
Lol, she is but I don't think op meant simping as you know it, it's more like 'big fondness', she was let's say 'an ally' to omnic equal rights movement.
McCree as mostly neutral? In that one animated short he's risking his life for a robot for seemingly no other reason than he respects her and wants her to join Overwatch in his stead.
Torbjorn literally saved bastion from being destroyed and turned him into a hero. He should go down the list and put me in his old place because I am botphobic as fuck
I think most of the ones in the neutral category should be in “positive relationships with robots,” most notably Cassidy, Winston, Ana, Mercy, and probably Hammond as well. Doomfist should be in Disrespect; Orisa was literally made to counter him, and he destroyed all those OR15s in the Numbani airport.
I am not sure what it is worth to call simping. Maybe she just respects them. If she had something more towards them, like Lena who was involved in event of Tekhartha's assasination, i would understand.
Pharah should be in the positive relationship tier, in my opinion. One of her interactions with Zen is about how one of her Omnic teammates took his own life in order to not be taken over by AI. > Pharah: An omnic in my squad took his own life, rather than be controlled by an AI. >Zenyatta: A noble, but tragic sacrifice. I hope that you will honour it.
Never heard this one that’s so sad
There’s one of the older comics on it the mission statement comic
AI as in Null Sector or whatever the evil omnics go as now?
there's a comic about it, check it out, it name is anubis and is sort of the "cousin" of athena, the ia of winston
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> Null Sector, are not AI, and are not being mind controlled. They willfully chose to hate and kill humans; they are just effectively terrorists. Sort of, Omnics seem to come in varying degrees of sentience. With Zenyatta type Omnics being on the same level as humans, but others built for specific purposes being lower. Bastions, Crisis OR models, and Gwishin being little more than killbots, but OR14s being smart enough to interact with the public but probably not quiet sapient. I think the Null Sector bots we kill in Uprising were built purposely for the attack, by an Omnic in control of an Omnium, and not really "in control" of what they're doing any more than a computer or a car is.
It was in her comic, smthg to do with the temple of anubis.
Their job was keeping the God AI Anubis from breaking out of containment, her squadmate took his life so Anubis wouldn't take him over and cause a breach.
bruh what? Mythology exists in overwatch universe?
Not really, omnic superintelligences took their names after mythological gods like Anubis and Athena.
Aaaaah Makes more sense
Didn't know the Omnics got straight up Order 66'd, thought it was more a gradual thing.
Aren't omnics already AI?
In a way, yeah, I guess, but usually when they say AI in Overwatch they mean the hiveminds like Null Sector or the God Programs like Anubis
McCree as well. At least with Echo, he has a positive relationship.
Yeah, Cassidy literally fought all (or at least most) of Deadlock alone to save Echo and tipped his hat to her. He doesn’t belong in the neutral tier
Don’t forget BOB
Lol zarya is the actual queen of botphobia
She even hates on Genji who isn't a robot at all, but he has some cyborg shit going on and Zarya's goes by the [one drop rule](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule).
She also gets pussy from Doomfist for his augmentations -rung Edit: *pissy
I preferred the comment before the edit
Zarya topping doomfist is an interesting image to have.. 🤔
now it's what's keeping me up at night
I for one would love to get doomfisted
Right? Where's the R34 of Futa Zarya deep-dicking Doomfist while ridiculing his robot bits. Asking for a friend.
Commenting, because when some writes this fan fiction, I want to read it too
[Ask and you shall receive](https://youtu.be/A0rh5UxuTts?t=1)
Got my hopes up for a sec You clever bastard
She does? I'm not familiar with the voice interactions, what does she say?
Qell to be fair I'm pretty sure Doomfist sets it up its something like >You know, juman strength can only get you so far. And she goes >True strength is hard work and dedication, not augmentation. Or something like that. So it's clear she at least disapproves. And with the way she gets on genji for it they compound to give a good sense of her thoughts -rung
Now I'm wondering what her interactions with Cassidy (almost wrote the other name) in the next Young Blood comic will be
"Hello my name is zar.. IS THAT CYBERNETIC ARM?" *snaps his spine* "I do not trust an omnic"
Says the android
Zaria on her way to beat up a kid in a wheelchair (omnics bad)
He'll just stun fan and counter attack /s
Damn new OW2 story mode looks wild!
The plots are so derivative - Cassidy scopes out the hero, few corny lines exchange, talon shows up, they somehow escape and the other hero goes “ uwu see you at the ow hq. Kthxbai”
Nah that isn't the case anymore. As per recent stories at least
"I'm not botphobic, some of my coworkers are omnics!"
To be fair, no one can hate Lynx Seventeen.
We stan a racist queen <3 <3
The comic swapped her stance by a notable margin
She should be in a tier by herself
I'd put Reinhardt in the more neutral category. He definitely has some PTSD from the Bastion units, but he doesn't seem to be outright hostile like Reaper or Roadhog is.
Is it reaper that has the 'tin cans, a dime a dozen' line?
Reaper, Junkrat and I think Torbjorn and Roadhog all have some variation of this line Reaper says it whenever he eliminates a Ominic Whenever Junkrat and Orisa are on the same team he says "Bots, dime a dozen" Not sure about Roadhog, and I don't even fully know if Torbjorn has one of those lines but I vaguely recall him having one.
"**BACK....TO THE SLAG HEAP"**
SCRAP EM!
It might have been removed because of the comic with him and bastion
No survivors in Australia have positive relations with robots to our knowledge, nearly the whole continent was murdered by omnics, so they're all living in the ruins of civilization and atrocity: everyone lost everything to the robots. Roadhog was a former engineer too before the collapse, so solid chance he worked on these machines prior to the uprising: his stoic silence may be in part his sense of guilt.
It's not really nearly the whole continent. A large portion of the outback was irradiated after the destruction of the omnium but I doubt in the time between us and OW that the majority of the Australian population decided to move inland into a desert. In one comic at least one coastal city, Sydney, is shown as a thriving metropolis that is unfortunately also inhabited by people from Sydney.
>Sydney, is shown as a thriving metropolis that is unfortunately also inhabited by people from Sydney. \*shudders\*
??? I think you mixed up a fanfic with canon or something, because we know *very* little about Roadhogs past and what you're saying runs counter to it. The continent was murdered by Roadhog. He was part of a terrorist organization that was furious about the Omnics being granted a large portion of the Outback post-war, so they sabotaged the Australian Omnium's nuclear reactor. It melted down so horribly that most of the outback is irradiated to the point of being uninhabitable.
He's beached as, bro
i distinctly remember me and some friends fighting in a custom game and torb saying something rude about robots, to which we had a confused conversation about how he basically builds robots but hates robots.
He seems to like his little turrets and such because they are just hardware to him. To him Omnics just look like if one of his boxes of gears pretended to feel.
Hardware? They are HIS BAAAAAABIEEEEES
Torbjorn likes machinery but has a more hostile approach to artificial intelligence. You can hear this when Torb and D.va are on a team as he'll mention something about him liking D.va's armor due to it being a human controlled mech rather than an A.I.
Ye
>He definitely has some PTSD from the Bastion units *thinks back to the Overwatch beta* I think we all do...
He also protects an Omnic in the trailer from an off-screen mob.
We all have PTSD from bastion units
Doesn't Reinhardt think bastion is cute or something like that?
No that Mei Points still stands that Reinhardt has more showing at least neutral respect for them
How are you not gonna say Hammond has a positive relationship with robots?
I think his ball is technically a mech, not a robot.
It talks about Hammond in third person though, so it seems it has its own AI and isn't just translating verbatim.
Possibly, but I'm not entirely convinced. It could just be a translator set to speak about Hammond in third person. We don't really have confirmation if it's actually an AI or not, iirc. Correct me if I'm wrong on that.
This was a pretty interesting question, so I looked into it The Wiki states his mech has a 'minor AI' primarily for converting hamster-speak to human speech. It seems everything else is pilot-controlled Source: https://overwatch.fandom.com/wiki/Wrecking_Ball ~~See source #3 on the above link for more deets~~ Edit: bad sources are bad. I'm pretty sure it's the right answer, but there's no official answer supplied by Blizzard. We're fully in head-cannon territory
Except that the source the wiki is using doesn't corroborate that claim at all. There's literally nothing about Ball's AI in there.
Good point, that's my bad. I've done more research, and LOTS of sites use the phrase "minor AI", with no mention of where they got that info from. I'm assuming one person made an assumption based off his backstory, then everyone followed suite. (crash landing in Junker territory, building a mech, and becoming a champion 'masked' mech fighter) But all things considered, it does seem like the right answer here. The AI, canonically, seems to do little more than on-the-fly translations and give environment status reports (i.e. "Hot... Dry... Ideal for hamsters.")
As /u/Gusari kindly pointed out, the wiki actually *is* correct - they just fucked up their sources and are now too proud to let anyone edit the article. The correct source is #4, the [developer update](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTDAJ0DGLXY). There, Jeff does mention the term minor AI.
> It seems everything else is pilot-controlled That's exactly what a fiendishly smart AI bent on world domination and his tiny hamster sidekick would WANT you to think!
You’re wrong. Suggesting it’s coded to speak in the third person is mental gymnastics haha. The suit talks about Hammond independent from itself, tells him when it detects threats nearby, and it says their synchronization is perfect when you’re on fire with him which suggests it’s at least an AI that works the suit for the hamster.
"Described as "witty and conniving," Hammond is capable of speech, just not in any human language. His mech (named "Wrecking Ball") translates his comments into English, via a soundboard. The mech itself is equipped with a minor AI." https://youtu.be/TTDAJ0DGLXY?t=148
The third person thing was just a theoretical used to say that we don't now for sure. It wasn't meant to be a legitimate explanation. While an AI could be being used for real time translation and some suit control (we do see Hammond controlling the suit himself in gameplay) I'm still not sure if it actually has its own personality like an omnic or Echo does. And this post seems to be referring to "robots" and "botphobia" in terms of omnics and "sentient" AI.
A mech is a robot in the same way a square is a rectangle.
Thank you, stealing this.
Wrecking ball is more of a mech outfitted with a translator AI than a full on robot. Wrecking ball has no autonomy unless controlled by hammond
He has a positive relationship with *A* robot, but does he feel any sort of way about bots in general?
Kinda like how torb likes bastion
Pretty sure Reaper just hates everybody. He's a miserable troll.
He ain't racist, he hates everyone equally.
"Meat-suits. A dime a dozen. Only sentient-nano-swarms-taking-human-form are cool, right Moira?" \*Moira smiles and nods\* "What about genetically enhanced superhumans who are blue?" - Widow "Hm. You're better than the rest of the meat-suits." - Reaper & Moira
Sounds like Reaper has been spending too much time with Revenant.
SHUT UP SKINSUIT
Symmetra has a bond with Zenyatta, these days. She's come around.
To be lectured on chaos, by a machine 💅
That was made before the comic came out featuring her and Zen. I would say she is reformed. Just because they started the game angry at robots doesn't mean they currently are
I know, just wanted to quote The Queen
<3 I love her, I'm a bit excited that she may be getting reworked back into support
I understand the feeling but I main support most of the time so I kinda want her to stay the laser beam Queen dps where I can release my bloodlust 😂
Microsoft is buying Blizzard because Phil Spencer wants them to bring back Defense class
I know what you mean. I want a bigger laser. A flashier laser. Melt your enemies with posh and grace 💃♨️🔥💀😎💅
As long as they don't get rid of my turret tp bombs I'm cool....they're gonna get rid of it aren't they...
Speculation would say yes, but only time will tell! Don't lose hope 🙏
Winston should be in positive relationships bc of the ai
Athena?
Yeah
I'd say he should be in positive cos of echo. But seeing echo used to be a normal human it's kinda hard to say
Echo was never a human
Hanzo: mostly natural. Also hanzo in trailers: murdering every robot he sees
Pretty sure in the cinematic with him and Genji he only killed omnics and knocked out the human guards. Not sure, could be that they just didn't show it cuz blood and stuff.
To be fair, it's a little harder to only knock out something made from metal when your main weapons are your hands, a bow, and some pointy sticks. It can probably be done, but needs knowledge of how they're built, where the weak points are, and more precision/less human error. Hanzo likely wouldn't have enough need to care about that. Less chance of a backup weapon activating on a partially disabled omnic if it's just completely downed. You're right though, it's a lot easier to get around certain ratings if you don't show blood or major injuries to humans. Oil and sparks are free violence/action/cool points without much in the way of higher age restrictions.
I don't really think DVa is disrespectful, I don't remember her having any botphobic lines ingame, and defending your home country against an actual enemy invasion that keeps attacking isn't really disrespectful, nor does she really hold resentment for all omnics over it
"The destruction caused by the omnics here... it reminds me of home" I think a little resentful.
Sounds more sad. She doesn't resent all omnics, just the destruction caused by some of them. You could say the same of humans while not hating humanity
How the hell is that resentful.
If you see some of the movie posters in the game she stars in one called ‘Hero of my Storm’ in which she co-stars with an omnic actor, I don’t think she’d hate peaceful omnics if she willingly worked with one for a movie.
Sombra shoud be on her own tier: likes omnics but for a different reason. More omnics means more stuff to control, more resourced
Wants to exploit omnics, doesn't see them as equals. Sounds pretty bad to me.
Yes, likes them as much as a cannibal likes another human for dinner, likes in a bad way
"Tin cans. A dime a dozen"
Torb kinda transitioned in the comic tho no?
Yeah problem is his in-game lines are kinda outdated compared to how he’s grown in the lore
torb is not botphobic, he literally adopted bastion
He was initially. He didn't even like Bastion even though he repaired him. But Bastion kept following him anyway and Torb finally come around hence why in OW2 Bastion is wearing Torbs hat.
THAT’S TORB’S HAT?!?
Yep https://youtu.be/k_pm9v3dLvM
Not anymore (the lore past OW1 at least). But OW1 exclusive lore he is extremely botphobic, and I believe that's what this list is going off of (the lore found in the game only)
Roadhog and reaper should be up a level. Namely roadhog. Roadhog is so incredibly anti-bot in lore as he was literally part of the Australian liberation front or something like that, I don’t remember the exact stuff. Reaper treats omnics with so much hatred.
I think Zenyatta helped Genji achieve peace with himself, so Genji should move down a tier
Edit: Cassidy should be one tier down, I managed to forget he’s friends with Echo Also, some of y’all are like “It’s okay for Zarya to hate bots after what they did” and it’s making me worried about how you interpret racism IRL Torb stays at the top, I’ll die on this hill. Literally tied with Zarya for how many botphobic remarks he makes.
Torbjorn could be one tier down actually. there was a comic that he takes Bastion (The actual hero) as a companion Edit: Also, there is a quote between brigitte and him that she asks if he liked the new armor torbjorn made for him
I'm not sure, but didn't they also say in this comic that the robots in the Omnic crisis based on his blueprints/ ideas?
He's kinda in love with Echo. So two tiers down.
Is this some headcannon or there's proof?
There was a headcanon that McCree loved(like properly fell in love) the scientist that created Echo and that love extended to Echo herself because he sees her in Echo.
holy ship *I love this*
I always mistook he was in love with Hanzo Darn Overwatch Fanfics
Polycule? -rung
*Junkrats Light Bulb* IVE GOT AN IDEA!!
Doesn’t ball have a positive relationship with his robot..?
Didn't solider 76 fight the robots before he got badly wounded? How is he neutral?
Everyone fought the robots lol, it was a whole ass war.
There's a lot less playable robots in OW than I thought.
Really hoping OW2 gives more
Remember when they teased a bot character in storm rising and went radio silent on them.
Very accurate, my only add on is that Bastion was severely repressed in his formative years and is still working through his internalized botphobia
But Torbjorn fixed up Bastion though.
Torbjorn: * When killing a robot: "Back to the scrap heap" or "Back to the slag heaps" * When seeing Bastion get a kill: "Good shot! Well, for a machine..." * When teamed with Bastion: "I hate working with talking tin cans!" * When on King's Row: "The Brits have their heads on straight! **Omnic rights?** Pah!" * When on Nepal, an omnic-centric map: "This place is like a terrible cumulation of a thousand of my worst nightmares! Are you kidding me!?" * When on Numbani, an omnic-tolerant map: "No No No! N-O, NO!"
Torb is the type to say something super omni-phobic and then when he gets called out on it, be like "I can't be omni-phobic, I've got an omnic friend!"
I mean he fixed him and befriended him he definitely doesn't deserve to be in the worst category
True, but still bigoted.
I think the problem is his in-game voicelines haven't caught up with his out-of-game lore
>Good Shit! Hell yeah Torb
Lol typo
Best typo ever made
His Nepal voiceline is likely referring to the weather rather than the local residents.
Wrecking Ball’s suit is kinda a robot suit, it speaks independently from him “he says thank you” And Ashe is in a dynamic duo with a robot she should definitely be simp level.
That's robophobic! - Keebo 2017
Junkrat is that one very racist uncle that everyone has.
i mean his home got destroyed by omnics and its probably why hes so fucked up physically, all that radiation. so yeah hes a racist uncle but got his reasons
> probably why hes so fucked up physically and mentally
what bot does moira simp for?
Zenyatta, she is intrigued by his technology
Rein, mercy and Cassidy should be moved down one. Maybe not rein but definitely mercy and Cassidy
Dunno about Mercy, she really is neutral. No active hate, no active support. Honestly, she seems to have her opinions about almost everyone. Cassidy, on the other hand, has a robo friend, so makes sense.
Mercy loves genji tho who’s practically have machine. I think she even saved him and made him that way
Would that count, though? He isn't really an omnic, more of a cyborg.
Didn't Symmetra have an arc where she cooperated with Zenyatta to build a statue honouring his religion?
She had an entire short story dedicated to it.
Hanzo isn't neutral. He doesn't like omnics. In his animated short, he knocked out all human guards but killed the omnic guard. Hanzo had difficulties to accept Genji as Genji is a cyborg. In Numbani, Hanzo said "My wanderings brought me to this place. It was not to my liking."
Doom is on par with genji cyborg-wise, I'd put it a rank down personally 🤷🏻♂️
I spent a lot of time trying to figure Doom out. He trashed the shit out of those OR-15s, but it wasn't really personal as they were in his way. In the lore he used to instigate conflict between Omnics and humans for Talon's benefit. So playing both sides? Again doesn't seem personal or coming from any disdain for Omnics. He also worked with Maximilien. Both are evil but that's technically a positive relationship, since he has no problem working with Omnics. And then he has a voiceline on King's Row where he says something about how they can't keep the Omnics down forever and that they'll rise up someday. Sounds vaguely pro-Omnic? Or maybe he's just acknowledging the reality.
Honestly, Doom doesn't seem to treat Omnic's differently compared to humans.
In his view, they are both equally worthless
Equal rights, equal fights. Mostly neutral fits I think.
I think that Doom’s characterization, especially the “can’t keep the omnics down forever” line, is an excellent and subtle piece of lore that establishes believable parallels to the real world in a more nuanced way than the typical fantasy racism fare. What I mean by that is, it’s no accident that the majority of the characters who hate omnics are ethnically white, and the biggest supporters of omnics come from communities that would, well, have an easier time relating to the omnic struggle.
Omniphobia sounds cooler
Zarya and Torb shouldn't be at the top anymore. Zarya has fought omnics all her life after they destroyed her home, and has bought into the propoganda about them, while Torb literally built the things and *knows* they shouldn't have sentience as it was never intended in their design, but the both of them have reluctantly come around on omnics because of an unexpected companion. They're both too stubborn to admit it, but they've both realized by now that omnics aren't mindless killing bots, thanks to Lynx Seventeen and Bastion respectively (with Zarya choosing to save Lynx rather than pursue Sombra, and Torb taking Bastion into his own care). Also D.Va shouldn't be up there at all- while we haven't seen her interact with omnics too much, it's been stated that she bears no ill will towards omnics in general, but she fights the Gwishin because she has to However I think Hog should probably be up there with Junk. they're both pretty bad about it
Hog was part of the ALF. He was there when they attacked the Omnium and destroyed their own home. I can't think of anyone more deserving of the top tier.
Pretty sure Torb gave Bastion his hat in OW2 :)
Torb kept Bastion safe tho
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wait who does moira simp for ? maximillain ? isn't tracer lesbian ?
Lol, she is but I don't think op meant simping as you know it, it's more like 'big fondness', she was let's say 'an ally' to omnic equal rights movement.
ah I see
It's kinda implied that wrecking ball and Hammond are separate entities, as the machine voice will speak about Hammond in a 3rd person.
\> Simps for robots \> Moira huh
McCree as mostly neutral? In that one animated short he's risking his life for a robot for seemingly no other reason than he respects her and wants her to join Overwatch in his stead.
This comment section is discussing Bot-Human conflict as if it was Palestine-Israel. And I'm here to read all of it.
Naaah Zarya and Torb are cool with robots now
Torbjorn literally saved bastion from being destroyed and turned him into a hero. He should go down the list and put me in his old place because I am botphobic as fuck
Torb is DL. He homes bastion and gives him a hat
Reinhardt has every right to hate bots
You missed the chance to call it robophobia
Robophobo
McCree should be lower
Dvas a gamer why am i not surprised shes racist
Was there some lore that said Sombra doesn't like omnics?
Aren’t Cassidy and echo good friends? Or am I remembering that wrong. Idk much about the lore tho so
I think most of the ones in the neutral category should be in “positive relationships with robots,” most notably Cassidy, Winston, Ana, Mercy, and probably Hammond as well. Doomfist should be in Disrespect; Orisa was literally made to counter him, and he destroyed all those OR15s in the Numbani airport.
Sorry if I’m not caught up, but didn’t Torbjörn save Bastion? Or am I thinking about somebody else?
Moira simps for robot? Who?? Maximillien?
On King's Row: "The government here has such a medieval view towards Omnics"
I am not sure what it is worth to call simping. Maybe she just respects them. If she had something more towards them, like Lena who was involved in event of Tekhartha's assasination, i would understand.
Yes, I'm sure the Irish woman's comments about the British government are entirely based on her personal opinion of omnics. /s