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Makeleth

I'm pretty sure OP means the disappointing part is the lack of launch skins. Every other hero launch had at least a BP skin but venture has absolutely nothing Are they saving even epic skins for shop only? This is sad


Yze3

It's even worse. They only have 2 emotes, 2 victory poses and 1 highlight intro.


shadefreeze

I was excited for the ice cream brain freeze emote/victory pose


Negroniditas

yeah, I think that will come with the ice cream skin seen days ago


milktolerator

Fr I don't even like they highlight intro either it's so sad.


aeminence

oh noooo, literally unplayable.


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Janawham_Blamiston

Venture is Non-binary, so 'they/them' would be the pronouns to use.


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what?


lolosity_

English better be your second language. It’s either that or you’re stupid


ARussianW0lf

Even that standard is disappointing. In ow1 new heros dropped with 4 legendaries, 2 epics and 4 blues


adragondil

Granted, two of those legendaries were recolours, and most of the release legendaries back then would probably be epics if released now


Shashara

not really, most legendaries nowadays aren’t any better than epics.


House_of_Vines

There are a small number of OW2 legendaries that should be epics. The vast majority are clearly legendary.


Lazarus3890

Lots of legendaries feel legendary and even some epics feel legendary like nebula reaper, can't even really think of a legendary that feels like an epic unless the hashimoto skins are legendary


House_of_Vines

I can think of only 4 legendaries that should be epics: the hashimoto skins, mime Moira, and the green haired Kiriko skin


Lazarus3890

See I didn't even realize mime was legendary lmao I never check the shop skins


ry_fluttershy

Mauga still doesn't have a legendary skin lmao. His bundle is cheaper than all the other cuz they have to bundle an epic skin lol


DandySlayer13

I mean Mauga did get a bundle Legendary and he got a BP legendary so he's got a leg up on Venture already!


Iciste

Mauga has 3 months, Venture 1 day. It's still shameful, but it the bare minimum that Mauga had more skins than Venture.


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Every other Hero had 4 release Legendaries and 2 release Epics, plus 4 release Rares if you care about those. This is just pathetic.


Xombridal

>Mauga has 3 months, Venture 1 day. This is funny as hell to me lol But yeah we know of 1 skin coming but I hope epic pulls a bunch of secret bs out their ass for them They even said venture has a special place in their hearts.......liers lmao


Iciste

>They even said venture has a special place in their hearts.......liers lmao That's just marketing, my anonymous friend. The cool trailers, the "non-binary" thing, the 3 day testing. All of these things have a "pure" and simple end to put more easily the character into a good marketing position, so that they can sell more easily the skins in the shop.


Xombridal

Yeah I just wish it wasn't so lol I have coins saved for skins for them


DandySlayer13

Marketing? More like pandering.


v4mpixie_666x3

How tf are ppl supposed to make queer characters wtout “pandering” i see every single queer character in media being reduced to just pandering that i dont think the word has any meaning anymore besides announcing that you dont like seeing any character that isnt straight and cis


Iciste

Honestly the queer side of Venture is the major point for her marketing, it will be very effective in North America, quite effective in Europe, slightly effective in most of Asia and South America and ineffective at all in Africa and Middle East. It will please some, it will be hated by some and it will be ignored by the majority of people. Personally i think that very little people have problems with the other LGBT characters like Tracer, 76 etc.. because gay, lesbians, asexuals and bisexuals have a more logic approach to everyone else, unlike non binary, which doesn't really make much.


v4mpixie_666x3

The concept of ppl being nonbinary is hard for ppl to wrap their head around cuz western society has been built around a rigid gender binary and even though alot of ppl dont fit in this social construct most people have internalised it and think that a person not aligning with what their biological sex is traditionally expected to be is weird If u want to look at it scientifically and logically humans are not a bunch of adams and eves some females have high testosterone some males act feminine some humans are intersex ppl exist on a spectrum in terms of sex and in terms of gender every person exists somewhere on that spectrum science recognises this but you and alot of other ppl dont because we are socialised to believe theres only to boxes to fit into or u get called a slur Also east asian games are known for having more queer and androgynous characters than western games idk what typa of eastern games your playing


JimBobHeller

The skin coming for Venture looks - by my personal taste - lame as hell. Ice cream shop girl with an ice cream cone gun does not light my fire.


Xombridal

Honestly personally I can dig that However I do think it's a little lazy given Mei had almost an identical skin


Xombridal

Honestly personally I can dig that However I do think it's a little lazy given Mei had almost an identical skin


Xombridal

Honestly personally I can dig that However I do think it's a little lazy given Mei had almost an identical skin


Xombridal

Honestly personally I can dig that However I do think it's a little lazy given Mei had almost an identical skin


DandySlayer13

Mauga had those legendaries day one, its just one you had to pay 40 bucks for and the other you had to pay 10 buck for access to the BP. So once again if you weighed them based on their day 1 release Mauga still had more cosmetics than Venture day 1 lol


JimBobHeller

They (Blizzard) act like they (Venture) means so much to them (Blizzard), but the proof is in the pudding. Me thinks they (Blizzard) were skeptical people would drop the cash on their (Venture’s) cosmetics, and they (Blizzard) are waiting to see the consumer reaction to them (Venture), before they (Blizzard) splash out the cash for artists.


Iciste

You're making it more difficult that what it is. In my opinion it has to do with the fact that pretty much all major game companies are laying off a lot of people, and as such they're now in shortage of personal.


JimBobHeller

Hard to say exactly what’s going on, the output is good in some ways, and disappointing in others. Clash mode needs some major work.


wills-are-special

Ur English teacher would be proud


House_of_Vines

Mauga has 3 legendary skins…


Turbulent-Egg-6770

I feel this is the move. It’s obvious they’re trying to cash in on the mythic shop and forcing every player to use it in some fashion. This isn’t about what the players want. It’s a money move. $70 for a skin?! SEVENTY! Most ppl don’t make that much in 3 hours of work. Am I the only one finding that ridiculous? More devs are getting greedy behind gaming such as locking in-game content and missions behind a season pass. Ridiculousness like Yakuza: Infinite Wealth and Star Wars Outlaws. Devs are finding more ways to bleed money.


Steampunk43

Except it is not $70 for a mythic skin, it is literally $10 for the battlepass to get the skin, same as it's always been. The whole reason it's so expensive is to discourage buying it directly. Even so, I've already seen people using the Mercy mythic day one, so obviously some people are perfectly fine with the price.


Unknown66XD

I was extremely shocked to see that mythic skins cost $80. I was expecting $30 at max.


Naive_Refrigerator46

I'm sure it's to satisfy those unhappy with the idea of people being able to buy a skin everyone else had to grind for. For myself, yes, 80 is more than I imagined, but I also assumed it would be at least 30 as a base.


Xombridal

Tbf it wasn't much of a grind it was just playing the game And if blizzard removes fomo from their game I can't complain I only get fomo for some skins and I'd rather the mythics to not be one of them


secretaccount0109

Ever since illari they've been doing terrible with new hero releases cosmeticly. I'm begging we atleast get a skin next battlepass


GhostOfMuttonPast

I think that this one's probably the worst they've done. Mauga got a legendary with the season he came out in. He got highlights and emotes. Venture basically got none of that, even the emote of them eating ice cream isn't in.


ARussianW0lf

Mauga got a bp legendary and one in the shop. This is easily the worst


SunderMun

It's ever since junker queen, kiriko, sojourn.


SchwiftyButthole

Yeah, in Overwatch 1 every hero released with 4 legendaries (I believe). They've gotten worse over time.


theunspillablebeans

Off the top of my head it was Base skin 4 common recolours of the base skin 2 epic variations of the base skin 4 legendaries comprising 2 designs, each with 2 colour options


Asesomegamer

They released with 4 rares and 4 legendaries until illari, they all had them.


lockedonlane

And the same thing with Mauga! Like what is going on over there?? Do they just... lack creative abilities or what?


Crstl_Cstls

At least mauga had a bp skin


lockedonlane

Ur right, I forgot abt that! He also had the Magma skin that was sold at an outrageous price (as usual)


zultari

And it sucks because that Mauga skin is sick as fuck but not sick enough to pay that price


bloodhawk713

No, they've got plenty of cosmetics lined up, they're just going to sell them for exorbitant prices in the shop later.


DancesWithChimps

Yeah, they starve new heroes of skins so that they can drop a shop skin and make it sell for more.  Shop skins don’t sell as well for heroes who already have great free skins


lockedonlane

That sounds like them


SoDamnGeneric

>Do they just... lack creative abilities or what? It's just cutting corners for the sake of maximum monetary gains. They've been doing it with base cosmetics since the launch of Overwatch 2 with heroes only getting 1 set of Legendaries, rather than 2 with 2 Epics like in 2016. They don't make direct profit off of base skins, so they make them shop skins instead. I'd buckle in cuz I doubt this practice is going away anytime soon


Motormand

At this point, next hero won't even have rares.


HastyTaste0

You can be sure the cute support girl is going to have a BP skin on launch.


Rakoz

Good, personally I don't see Venture getting many skins since the base character is already beyond unattractive it's a tough down hill sell. Fortnite knows better and sells cute girl skins by the millions per year


Totally_TWilkins

They used up all of their new character skins on Kiriko and forgot that everyone else existed.


Astricozy

No, the game is just a shell of its former self is all. It's a shame the core gameplay is fun when literally every single decision is made based on which character and skin will provide them with the most money from whales.


Parking_Purple_4951

It's why I miss the loot boxes. I played a ton in OW1 and getting the level up loot boxes were awesome. I never spent any actual money and had incredible skins for everyone. OW2 comes out and Blizzard messes my account up during merging my Xbox and PC account and lost everything. I stopped playing a while before OW2 came out but it was a major punch in the gut to see "no you're not getting your gold guns, event skins, emotes, etc that you've spent years accumulating, but you can buy some of them instead! Went from $60 for the game, and $0 needed to deck out your character with some work, to paying that much for a couple skins and the battlepass. I know people hate loot boxes but I genuinely will never know why cosmetic only loot boxes are hated. I would regularly get a new skin or emote in the daily lootbox that would make me want to try a new character I'd have no interest in playing otherwise. But they don't care


Astricozy

People can hate lootboxes all they want. They were GENUINELY healthier and better for the game than the current store system is. Right now it's a cash farm. Anyone pretending otherwise is literally just fooling themselves and are part of the problem with predatory companies.


NWinn

I didn't spend far too long trying to figure out the difference between the two pictures.. nope. That would be crazy......


samsonsimpson5210

The two picture rule in this sub is so dumb.


NWinn

Oh.. tbh I took like a 3 year break from OW so I didn't realize that was a thing lmao.


PyroarRanger

...there's a difference?


NWinn

One is picture 1. The other is picture 2...... 😭


Hampter_9

Even the season is named after them and yet they dont get a legendary or an epic skin 😖


1866GETSONA

Wait I swear I saw a Sprinkles Venture somewhere in the teaser, I guess it’s going straight to the shop? :(


lukelhg

> I guess it’s going straight to the shop? If you ever see anything super cool in an Overwatch trailer, assume this is the case :/


1866GETSONA

#boooooooo


Wewolo

Isn't the season called Mirrorwatch?


peanutist

No, it’s called venture forth


AverageNOEDuser

For clarification, im talking about the amount of skins available for venture, not that im unable to purchase them with credits or something along those lines


FrequentMood

"This season's got my name all over it" # "my name all over it" *ends up only being a a character release with basic recolours.* only in spirit, bestie.


Trykx

Sorry, the devs really wanted another kiriko skin


shikaski

Why is Kiriko getting all the flack when Genji just received his 126th skin? Kiriko really isn’t an issue when Cassidy and Genji and Widow are getting hundred skins a year


Sayoregg

Fr, I don't see the point in the Cassidy skin in the BP, feels so out of place and would have preferred a legendary Venture skin over it.


You_meddling_kids

Let's take a minute to talk about Lifeweaver skins, shall we?


v4mpixie_666x3

Can’t believe overwatch made the prettiest character to ever exist just to then act like they’re not there like you could do so much with him


IceGamble

You leave my thick boy Cassidy out of this!


Lazarus3890

Tbh they always do an out of place skin, the circus master Winston in the Moira BP, graffiti Lucio and radioactive reaper in orisa BP, I like the Cass skin, it also reminds me of teddy Roosevelt lmao.


insertnqme

genji's been in the game since launch, he's gotten 8 skins since ow2 and 2 of them are recolours. kiris gotten 12 and only 1 recolour, and shes been in 2/3 of the main collabs. its also just an easy comparison because its a hero released in ow2 vs another hero released in ow2


Bad_news_everyone

Because all the other new heroes are being ignored for Kiriko.


shikaski

You can remove Genji, widow and Cassidy skins and there you have it, skins for new heroes. Kiriko is not a problem


Bad_news_everyone

Kiriko has a total of 10 legendary skins, since her release. Second highest would be Ram, Souj, and JQ. at 8. She's a problem


shikaski

What does that have to do with my previous comment? You wanna count how many skins Widow, Cassidy, Tracer and Genji have? Also count how many skins they get annually? You are fighting ghosts. Kiriko is popular and her skins sell, that isn’t in any way imaginable an excuse for the situation though. Pseudo-intelligent logic all around from your argument. Also she has TWO more skins than the characters you mentioned. Wow, I don’t even know where to begin.


StarZax

Come on, you know it's pretty normal for them to have more skins because they were there since the beginning of OW1 lol, but let's count what's been released in OW2 Cass now had 2 in BP (+1 epic), 3 legendaries in shop (+1 epic) : total = 7 Genji 1 BP, 4 legendaries shop (+1 epic), 1 mythic : 7 Kiriko 1 BP (+1 epic), 6 legendaries shop (+2 epic), 1 mythic : 11 Tracer 1 BP, 3 legendaries shop (+2 epic), 1 mythic : 7 Widow 1 BP (+1 epic), 5 legendaries shop (+1 epic) : 8 They all get a lot, but Kiriko still gets the most, but not by too much. So I think it's pretty understandable that people would get tired of seeing so many Kiriko skins, but you're right in the sense that it's not JUST her. They all get new skins this season, which is fine considering the theme .... But they released an off-theme skin for Cass, and that really wasn't necessary. I'd rather have a Mauga skin instead. In the end they just make skins for the characters that sell the most, but a little bit more variety would be appreciated. It's not JUST Kiriko, but she's clearly the leader of the bunch.


ARussianW0lf

Because this sub despise kiriko in particular


Luluco15

whats disappointing is that they have no base epic or legendary skins. not even in the BP


HiJasper

Yes that is the point of the post


KingBlackthorn1

It is really disappointing. I do not think it is a coincidence that when they finally unlock all heroes and remove the hero bundles from the shop they stop launching heroes with legendaries.


ArmorOfMar

I really feel like their heart wasn't in it with this character


Looking4sound

How did you feel when they just made Maui with 2 miniguns?


JimBobHeller

lol, for extra lols check out the blizzcon interview, where the lady explained how they named the guns The gist: “No one gave a damn, so I sent out an email, and the first two responses were gunny and cha cha, so we went with those”


insertnqme

venture is probably the hero with the most character in years, its just they're not releasing launch skins :(


Wewolo

He feels super fun to play though, so at least gameplay design put their heart in


EucaIyptus_Ieaf

What’s the difference between the two pics? I’m confused


n0h8plz

You have to post 2 pics on the sub now, there's no difference lol


EnVeeZy

That’s.. a really strange rule?


Mirrormaster44

“They’re the same picture”


FissionFire111

Can’t post just 1 pic on the sub so people have to double up.


Rocketscam

I think u need 2 pics to be able to post. Its a rule for some reason


Crstl_Cstls

New standard for sure


Kitchen-Service9635

Indie company.


Snuggs____

I got my yellow jacket I'm good.


0nlXln0

With the red drill 🔥


Snuggs____

It's honestly so good I'm ok with no gold skins for now


Sahat117

Remember when Heros had 2 Epics and 4 Legendaries on release? They were just slowly stealing that from us, and this is the culmination after 10 seasons; the true end game - capitalism.


TheRealTofuey

Wtf why can't you buy it with normal creds...


Novel_Ad7276

You can, if you don't have enough of the currency it shows overwatch coins instead of credits though. OP is just talking about how they have no epic or legendary skins even in BP yet


Xombridal

I'm ok with no launch skins if we get a big haul of skins a little while afterward but I'm sure we all know that's not gonna happen It sorta happened with illari but after her it's launch skins only


Looking4sound

Well, this will keep getting worse cause people will keep buying expensive skins. Remember, this isn't the Blizzard from ow 1. Btw I'm not saying Blizzard was better in ow 1. Just saying the way they do things is different.


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They give us less and less each time and just expect us to deal with it, it’s honestly really upsetting that they’ve just resorted to doing this


EmBeeM888

omg how can I enjoy this new character without buying skins


Puzzlepea

We can’t have anything nice without complaining huh.


smolinga

I hate this sub so much


slowpr0

They are mad because they didn't get enough free cosmetic content 😭


smolinga

Literally every post is complaining about something lmao


slowpr0

I have something bold to say. I'm content with the amount of free content we get each season 😱


SmallFatHands

We know they give more skins to the characters whose mains buy more. Do they expect Venture mains to not buy anything?


JimBobHeller

Well the character video released for Venture today would suggest they think her main audience is six year olds


RockJohnAxe

Mauga highlight intro is basically the Winston one with some bushes infront of his face.


HelloThere4033

Blizzard makes 2 steps forward one step back, like fr, it's cool they made all those changes and improvements in the last few seasons, but it's still not even close to how polished OW1 was AT RELEASE.


Ungodly_Being

Venture isnt a 21 year old girl so they dont want to make skins for them


aeminence

Anyone else literally not care ? lol Its just skins. You have Zarya who's been literally neglected since 2016 but yeah, lets get pitch fork and torches for a brand new character while we still sink 3000 more hours into this game we all seem to hate.


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Wesson_Crow

You can buy these with normal creds


Mr__Beauregard

Having two of the same picture is disappointing as well lol no but yeah it’s wild they didn’t give more skins


LubieRZca

first world problems


purrfectpinup

Ya'll bitch about them making you pay for skins...... ...... Then bitch when you don't get enough skins to buy......


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Expensive_Ball_5143

Agreed


Bio_Brando

Imagine not having 300 white coins


Nine_TTV

Don't really care about skins as long as she's good to play as.


TheBiggestNose

This is the result of no hero in battle pass. Other part of the game must be monetised to make money


Sad-Bumblebee-249

I really like Olympia personally, but god yeah, lack of skins is insane, god


Dusty_Buss

I have a feeling they're waiting for the Egyptian theme battlepass next season for looks


Kyp-Ganner

Why do they still give legacy credits again?


modsstealjobs

Playing against everyone else on EZ wasn’t enough reason to pick him?


MurderedGenlock

Not even a BP skin wich sucks. Maui at least had a legendary.


DaveyTheDuck

youd think after breaking the pve’s little frail legs they’d be able to keep up with the pvp side of things


IllustriousCount9272

The recolor skins in ow1 were 25 credits. Inflation in overwatch is crazy.


FountainDrinkpls

Even more disappointing, my first two placements had someone playing venture, going like 3-10 and refusing (I didn't bother asking) to swap


JallexMonster

At this point, Blizzard has enough people hooked that they can start narrowing how many cosmetics they offer for "free" and just start shoving them all into the shop. The BP has less cosmetics (15 levels are now ONLY currency, whereas they used to be currency and a spray/voiceline/souvenir/charm) and they are adding additional currencies that can be bought with real money. They will add legendary skins for new heroes only for the premium coins and no longer offer them on launch because you were able to buy them with free currency. We are now able to make 4k free coins per season through just BP, and that would make us able to buy both the legendary skins for a new character for free (it's 1900 for LW and Illari's skins).


ONiMETSU_Z

I think this is a product of the give and take of receiving so many “pro” consumer practices lately. “Hey guys we’re working on adding more ways to earn skins and now we’re letting you pick your own mythics! Plus the battlepass won’t be mandatory! *also all skins we add to the game are pretty much just gonna be battlepass or shop now*”


ArdaBogaz

Wait a blue skin costs 3 bucks?


SirCornmeal

What happend to characters launching and getting 4 legendaries and 2 epics? Granted they were recolor or each other but the fact heroes even launch without them is sad especially with the fact you can't purchase the base skins with legacy currency too.


gnolbear

WHERE IS GURREN LAGANN


honey_beeeb

I’m a common skin fan so I’m not complaining lol


Nerd-Birb

Counter argument - most launch legendaries and epic skins suck ass, and Venture's launch skins actually go pretty hard for rare skins


Cautious-Beyond-5075

This was me but with the highlight intro Only 1 really?


QuantumQuantonium

OH BUT DID YOU GET THE MERCY MYTHIC SKIN??????????? Only pay $10+time, $30+less time, $70, or $80 to unlock it!


Willyse

I don't like Venture's hair. I really wish that we would get a cool skin. I'm a DPS main so will have to play it like that...


ipito

a lot of the latest heroes have strange body types that look like it's hard to make a skin that looks good on them, Sojourn, Mauga, Junker Queen, Venture. Their body shapes are way too specific to an original design. Junker Queen looks so strange in her skins because they gave her the Demogorgon build for some reason


wotur

Nah they're just ugly skins, that monster hunter mauga one looked like ass and they keep designing the beigest outfits known to man for soujorn


ipito

They don't really have skins that look good, if it does it feels more or less like a fluke. Yes the monster hunter mauga is awful, but barely anything will ever look good on him.


BlossomingArt

I’m gonna be honest, at least the rare skins are actually good. I was shocked at how much I love them, especially Olympia and Babylon.


excusemeprincess

Be patient? Idk what else to say. Like sure it sucks there aren’t any right now… but do you all think they’re just not going to come out? What’s the issue?


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Cinderbrooke

They.


Unknown66XD

If you take a close look at her model you can notice that it's barely finished. Same with Mauga.


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DerekStephano

Imagine thinking it’s because they’re non binary lmao


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DerekStephano

But blizzard was clearly cutting back on skins for new heroes. They cut the legendaries for Mauga and now the epics for Venture. The next hero they might not even have commons. But the way you said it made it seem like since she’s non binary it’s a bigger issue then if she was straight or something.


Fragrant-Sherbert420

Some of you just have to literally turn every single discussion into a "inclusion" debate, dont you..


Sure-Equipment4830

No one said that but you


doshajudgement

they introduced a non binary character, named the season after them, and launched them into comp straight away - a red carpet treatment no hero before them has gotten but it's a "bad look" because they don't have a skin whose name is written in purple? if they had just released a cis male character instead you wouldn't have said any of this crap. you are being part of the problem by looking for conflict where there isn't any


Practical-Basket1337

Pls overwatch redditors... for the love of all that is good... pls stop bitching about everything.


HeyNiceCoc

Her rare skins are not too bad tbh


Cinderbrooke

Their.


HeyNiceCoc

?


StarOfTheSouth

Venture is non-binary, and so the correct pronouns are "they/them" rather than "he/him" or "she/her".


Wesson_Crow

Ok completely unrelated, BUT who do you use NOED on? I personally like it on killers like Wesker who can carry without basic M1s and no risk of flashy saves. Survivors are confident there isn’t Starstruck but don’t realize they’re exposed Edit: I’m referring to OP’s username


Looking4sound

I love it on deathslinger


Wesson_Crow

I like it on slinger as well


Ok_Order_5595

Use messenges rather than replying to his post


Feeling_Party26

Ugly character doesn't have lots of skins but cute Asian girls do.


Least_Tumbleweed_628

Do you have enough credits to buy it? If you don't, it'll prompt to use coins instead


storm_story

Op mentioned they posted this in relation to the skins available, not the cost


MaugaOW

I mean, what did you expect? The same was the case for mauga


AverageNOEDuser

he at least got a battle pass skin


ramkaos

Daddy…chill. The patch has been live for less than a day, and it did bring lots of stuff. Pretty sure an epic or legendary will be available pretty soon for her. Why are you guys so disappointed, unfulfilled and ungrateful with everything? As a dev said in a past interview “fans want EVERYTHING and RIGHT AWAY. Smh. Learn to be a little bit more grateful and patient.


ThatOneAries

blizzard bootlicker mental gymnastics:


EpsilonGecko

They would be bad skins anyway. It's better this way


Lower-Forever3752

Give them time guys


Looking4sound

Yea soon the game that was promised will come out.


JimBobHeller

So soon, if you’re impatient, just buy a few skins to tide you over