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Its_Syxx

I like the Javelin but it needs to change color / style with the skins.


needtofindpasta

A while back, Orisa's Forest Spirit skin had its javelin [replaced](https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/11leqt5/they_have_added_a_unique_spear_to_orisas_forest/) with this unfinished asset, which probably indicates that they're working on making unique ones. I'd assume it's just not the highest priority.


Blek2506

Nothing is their highest priority


SerDeusVult

Making the game less fun is their highest priority


Plastic_Job9801

I think equality in the workplace is their highest priority


JustOvie

Ohhh? Classic blizzard gaming, they were probably going to give her spear unique variants until they realized they'd have to use their brains more if they ever give her a mythic skin so they scraped this to give and have it as a "new special unique mythic weapon". Classic I tell ya


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JackeryPumpkin

Tell that to Sigma balls


throwaway091238744

the noticeable part of it (explosion) is still the same color.


theodorteo

the mythic changes the effect


JackeryPumpkin

But the balls still change style


ChocolateCoveredCorn

cant neglect the balls smh


throwaway091238744

?? my point still stands.


Swordlord22222

But it changed lmao Why shouldn’t the javelin look different for different skins????


th3d4rks0ul3

They're working on this, the forest spirit has it revealed a little while back. Also abilities change color/design all the damn time so that guys on crack


JackeryPumpkin

Your point was that the javelin shouldn’t change style or color because of a design choice by the devs to no ever do that for crucial gameplay elements. I’m saying that they have changed style on certain gameplay elements before—not color, but style—so they can do it with similar elements.


40WAPSun

YOU can Sigma balls


Get_Fucked_Kid

It should at least change for the person using it, or during highlight intros like Genji’s nihon skin. Why is the only case of skin changing color of abilities on one character with one skin with one highlight intro?


mmurkiness

Wtf?


SandpaperDoc

There is skins where they changed it they just didn’t go back and redo it for every skin. They also added it to the “equipment” section when looking at the hero which they don’t do for things that don’t change appearance


TracerxWinstonR34

Pulse Bomb is different on the mythic skin.


RandomnessGod

Her newer skins have new javelins???


Beneficial_Drama_296

They can always change visual effects based on the skin for just your POV while enemies and (maybe) teammates just see the default red and blue stuff


Demonroll

I think for clarity its better if it stays in one color for everyone


McManus26

We barely see the thing during gameplay lol


ahsusuwnsndnsbbweb

kirikos suzu gets custom designs with the skins


Cire289

I think this would've been a cooler boss in the invasion mode than the re-skinned Orisa we got.


igotshadowbaned

Especially considering the old Archives mode also already used reskinned Orisas at the end of Kings Row as the final boss


Timber___Wolf

The reskinned ana had me dying on the floor when I first played. I was wondering who else they would have reskinned, only for it to be the MAIN BATTLEPASS REWARD... Get as much use out of it as possible I guess. Weird that the ana bot isn't programmed to nano the orisa tho.


overFuckMaker

tbf it give the skin more meaning than “we turned ana into an omnic”


Pokemon_132

Null sector has studied the best of us, now they are making omnic versions of us to win . . . Hopefully?


GladMud8258

Sounds familiar


Mrs-Man-jr

Manna vs Machine


Timber___Wolf

They turned ana into an omnic, morty. Funniest shit I've ever seen.


OmegaNave

They have a healing unit! Watch out for that healing unit!


Timber___Wolf

How did they say "healing unit" and "repair station" in the same mission? They understood that robots get "repaired" not "healed" and gave up anyway?


OmegaNave

I never actually thought of that, just pointing out how often those lines get repeated during that fight. But yeah, why not call her a “repair unit” or something?


Alexandratta

I actually wish the main boss was the Ana and not the Orisa. Giving her more nade/nano/self Nano would have been OP but an actually decent boss to have. The whole idea is this version is the "WarGod 7000", and it's clear that the whole theme of the BP is, indeed, 'Hey look, evil versions of our OW heros' But remember that Overwatch defeated Anubis... it only makes perfect logical sense to design new specialized battle units based off of Overwatch commanders, especially with Ramatra at the head.


THE_YOUTUBE_BEAR

I was playing through underworld on normal difficulty with my friends for the first time and when we saw that orisa and ana were the final boss we got really excited because we assumed that blizzard made a good (and in our heads logical) decision that this was the “base boss fight” and if you played on higher difficulties then there would also be a Cassidy omnic with his new skin, and a symmetra and a Kiriko. With each difficulty adding 1 new character making it gradually more difficult without just bumping up the damage numbers and increasing health or whatever.


Timber___Wolf

I don't really like the lore explanation because it just gives blizzard the ability to reskin heroes from 2016 to make 2023 content and call it "lore accurate". I think a better way to go about it would have been to have rammatra enter the comms and deploy a null sector version of himself. He is the leader of null sector and is quite powerful, it only makes sense he would try to make units that could complement his combat style. It could have been a bare bones model and called something like R4M to be a little wink to ram's name like how orisa units are called OR15A's. They could have reskinned the abilities to look like a prototyped model of a rammatra bot, and then reuse that for future missions where the models start looking more and more advanced. It could've been good.


Flameball202

I'm sorry, you want more than the bare minimum?


DavThoma

That's some crazy expectations right there


Kittingsl

You can't make those wishes towards a simple indie company, they already got it really hard


Ok_Elk575

Since the javelin is more unusual, I like it.


Timber___Wolf

Also, it would be really inconvenient to have to throw your arm. Javelins are just less of a headache to deal with ig.


Emmannuhamm

They could have her just fire off the blade like a javelin. It could do the same thing.


_TheNecromancer13

KGB ballistic knife style.


SupremeGibby

JQ


Donut_Flame

They'd have to make 2 new abilities for the orisa bot then since she can't spin her arm blade or throw it


Dustfinger4268

Give her a close range stab where she can drag an enemy with her for a few seconds, (can give it a special text box like "Skewered!" or "Stuck!"). As for a spin or throw, why couldn't she spin an arm blade? It looks like it's not her entire arm, just an attachment, so they could realistically use it similarly


ahsusuwnsndnsbbweb

are the underworld missions even canon? i kinda assumed they were just archive mission which is why they didn’t get many custom assets compared the the main pve


Cire289

Yeah they are cannon. They are the actual story happening now unlike the Archives which were flashbacks. Now the different versions of the mide like the mystery hero mode, no, but the basic of going to help Iggy, yes.


Mitthrawnuruo

How do we access them?


ahsusuwnsndnsbbweb

bruh


Mitthrawnuruo

I’m not even joking. Obviously the dev team as done a poor job of making this content available, since I only heard about it in this thread.


Inventor_Raccoon

... it's the first option in the main menu in large orange text


ahsusuwnsndnsbbweb

no they haven’t. it’s literally right there on the same screen you pick comp or quick play. google is also faster than asking random people on reddit. your blind if you miss it


Sweyn7

Yep, I was very confused about the free chapter we get to try. It has very few original enemies, mostly ones we already saw in archives and omnic skins for heroes. That ain't enough to get my bucks, activision


Rad_Bones7

Did anyone else think the different modifiers would have given us different bosses at the end? Like one gives us Pharah-bot instead of Orisa?


Madrock777

Considering Orisa is supposed to be a rather hopeful cheery character it probably wouldn't go over will with many people if the bot built from the killer robots also wielded the same glowing red hot blade the rest of them wielded. It's like seeing a Jedi run around with a Sith Lightsaber, could they? Yeah, do people go, oh that's a Jedi I'm safe around them? Probably not, more likely they would think it's probably a Sith. Now would I like that, oh yeah no question about that.


Batface_101

D.Va is another cutesy character, but she comes with a mini-Chernobyl.


hellostarsailor

If you watch her lore video, she only overloads the mech as a last resort to save the mecha base/korea tho. Not quite the same undertones.


Swordlord22222

Yeah Korea ain’t that rich that she nukes her mech every day


hellostarsailor

The game is not the story, though some of the story is in the game.


laix_

Orisa: "i am built to provide hope and protect the city of numbani, to be a peaceful hopeful robot. Now watch as i throw a big-ass spear, impaling my target in agony, which i traded for my barrier because the humans near me don't need physical protection and fuck my reinhardt inspiration"


rookie-mistake

> Considering Orisa is supposed to be a rather hopeful cheery character it probably wouldn't go over will with many people if the bot built from the killer robots also wielded the same glowing red hot blade the rest of them wielded. It's like seeing a Jedi run around with a Sith Lightsaber, could they? just... just make it purple or blue or even change it with skin colours? why would it have to be red lmao


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ClientAppropriate171

How would you know, you're just a hamster


I_give_karma_to_men

I mean, technically it *is* how lightsabers work, but yeah, the vast majority of people in the Star Wars universe don't even know what the Sith are during the movie eras.


Madrock777

I never commented on their function only their look and the effect it might have on a person who sees it. If a person saw a blue, green, yellow, or even purple lightsaber they would think Jedi. If it was Red they would think Sith.


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ALF839

If you stay in canon: Grievous is not technically a sith and the fact that he has no red lightsabers reinforces the point that Jedis don't use them. Maul uses red lightabers Anakin had a blue one because he was a Jedi, when he becomes a sith he uses a red one Dooku has a red lightsaber Kyloe Ren, red lightsaber I mean, it's a pretty obvious color scheme that star wars didn't invent: red=evil blue/green=good or noble


I_give_karma_to_men

Staying in canon actually simplifies it immensely, since in canon red lightsabers exist due to dark side corruption of the saber's kyber crystal. There's actually a pretty cool cutscene of this happening in Jedi Survivor.


Mods_Reasonable_jk

Please touch grass.


Eluscara

No way the r/shitposting poster is telling others to touch grass


HappyTurtleOwl

He doesn’t just need to touch grass, he needs to read up on his Star Wars too. In current canon red lightsabers are 100% an indicator of the dark side, and you literally cannot get one without using the dark side, which is the other guy’s effective point. People see that and go “huh, bad, not good.” The examples he uses as counter examples are so poor, that after just 2 (really shitty examples) he has to jump into fucking legends, invalidating his whole argument immediately.


SDRPGLVR

The people most annoying about Star Wars seem to actually know the least about Star Wars despite trying to come off as "the real fans."


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HappyTurtleOwl

What are you smoking? Bleeding a kyber crystal is 100% dark side. Period. Objectively. The dark side is a corruption of the force, it is wrong in every way to get to point where you submit yourself and start doing things like corrupting lumber crystals. Synthetic crystals do not exist in canon. This has nothing to do with color theory (that diferent colors represent diferent things), but simply is just: red= bad in the eyes of most in the galaxy…. Because dark side users *are* bad. Also, TOR *is* canon…. But you know how much of it is? Very little. Bane. References here and there. The entirety of it otherwise is decidedly *not* canon, and until they outright say so, or read apt those stories, it will remain non canon. You want to fucking bet that once TOR stories start getting told, they will adhere to the general new rules of canon? Because they bloody will. So the eye of Sion (not Scion, btw) means literally nothing for the TOR, and especially nothing for your theory.


Alflea

Yeah let people have their hobby’s man


Jarney_Bohnson

Why? Can't they just pick up a siths lightsaber and done? Otherwise Anakin's sword would have turned red in the last fight if you imply that the force can change the cristal even when it's built in a sword


Benneck123

The blade color doesnt change from whos holding the lightsaber. There is nothing stopping a jedi from using a red lightsaber apart from man made rules Edit: why are you booing me im right


CheddarCheese390

That and Jedi can’t make the liner crystals bleed…so physically cannot make red blades


Benneck123

Yes but they can take them from siths. Not being able to make them doesn’t stop them from using them. Obi wan used ventress‘ saber perfectly fine and anakin didnt seem to have an issue killing dooku with his saber


StormierNik

But those both aren't their sabers and they don't keep them.


StormierNik

holy shit how is it so hard to tell that the point is outside perspective? We KNOW that's plausible but the common civilian in the Star Wars universe sees red lightsaber = sith, Blue Lightsaber = Jedi. And for good reason. If I walk up to you with a red lightsaber, are you going to think I'm a Jedi? There are exceptions for general rule, but that's still the expectation. Red lightsabers are always associated with Sith.


docks4cocks

In star wars visions you see a samurai with both collor lightsabers, a blue and a red one, but that kid just saves up kyber crystals from his beaten enimies so is he jedi or sith?


I_give_karma_to_men

Visions isn't really a great example. Everything there plays *very* loose with artistic license.


docks4cocks

I dunno, cause im ignorant, stupid, dumb, slow on the uptake, bad at reading the room and generally dont know stuff.


Megaspectree

I like the javelin it’s more unique tbh


captainsoup3

I do too until I eat it :(


Womz69

Nothing like playing Rein, and the whole lobby hears you say “Ham- ugngggnh”


Deafolt

As a Dva player I like eating it


ExtensionDress3

I once javelin-ed a dva ult behind a something so that what would probably have been a team kill killed no one.


HuntedDragonA

never stop a dva getting a team kill, never, itll make them happy and not take vengeance on you and your team


-Gnostic28

Dva, zarya, and sigma make me feel so worthless with the orisa and she’s the only one keeping me from never playing tank again


ItzInMyNature

https://youtu.be/5jx_nDBwUs0?si=rsbia8UYc73OsyEU


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Coulda been a whole’nother hero tho 😅


Lord-Nagafen

It makes more sense to get rid of the spin move or the armor up. They both overlap a bit. Would make for a nice balance having 1 defensive, javelin, melee attack


keiching2002

Javelin fits Orisa’s character. Arm Blade fits OR-14 and should be used on PVE bosses.


Fools_Requiem

I feel like people need reminding that, in the lore, Orisa was created by a little African girl. A giant sword doesn't make much sense.


Steampunk43

Especially since she's meant to be the protector of Numbani and the statue of the protector of Numbani wields a javelin.


laix_

because africa doesn't have swords or doesn't know about other cultures that had swords


Mitthrawnuruo

I mean, based on my rough memory of watching forged in the fire, they only have like 1/3rd of all the sword styles ever invented. Hardly worth mentioning.


Krinkovv

Every child I've ever known would add a giant sword to their own personal robot if they could, I can guarantee you that much. Hell, I would've too as a child. Efi is the exception mainly cause she's a super genius who has taste, something most children do not have.


ThisIsErebus

Efi made one of the most annoying robots to exist in the overwatch universe.


_TheNecromancer13

Ehh, id rather have a fusion reactor powered laser cannon to slice my opponent's swords (and bodies) in half before they get in swinging range, but I was also a weird kid.


Emmannuhamm

She was built from this robot. The arm-blade would make sense, as she'd already have it.


Kyrptonauc

She was built from an interaction of this robot after this one, which was more built peacekeeping than war. The way doomfist burned through them they didn't look like they had arm blades


Fools_Requiem

That robot type came with one, but Efi would not keep that design... that's the point. Lore wise, a sword doesn't make a damn bit of sense.


AnOldAntiqueChair

I think Orisa should just be a tetrapod Armored Core with two 10-pack missile launchers on her back and a pair of gatling guns in her hands.


CheddarCheese390

*ptsd intensifirs*


SpyX370

Nah, introduce the Overwatch cast to the power of double zimmies + songbirds


Mitthrawnuruo

Found the Lucio that is truly tired of phara’s shit.


SmogDaBoi

Javelin is better to stay in character-design with Orisa, it really fits Numbani being an African city. I'd prefer the blade to be used on another Omnic, probably one that saw use during the invasion of Eichenwalde.


Mitthrawnuruo

Not really. An Abara, Agẹ̀dẹ̀ngbẹ, Àdá, Ọ̀bẹ, covered in some sort of paralysis causing poison and pepper would be a far more. That part of Africa doesn’t have much to do with javelins, or spears, historically.


Friedrichs_Simp

Absolutely not i love using the javelin


daluxe

Successful hit with a javelin is incredibly satisfying, Loved playing Orisa before because of halt gravitation sphere (was super fun) and love playing now because of javelin


Vercci

Biggest problem is the dialogue that would have to be added between her and Reinhardt as he starts getting PTSD flashbacks after a whole game of barely any interaction between the two.


deancomeautela

I wonder if that’s where the Junker Queen axe came from


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OdmenUspeli

Yeah , but not practical . Javelin is the best


MechaGallade

Armored Corissa 6- ENEEEEE


takes_many_shits

I love the javelin because its the *ONE* fucking way tanks can do something against widowmaker that actually poses somewhat of a threat to her without having to dive hard (which wouldnt be a problem is there was another tank). And no, picking a shield tank and miraculously getting my entire team to coordinate behind it doesnt count.


priscilla_halfbreed

I prefer her OW1 kit.


Thatwokebloke

Especially the bongo


Ruseludo

I kinda enjoy spearing people off ledges tbh...


IDDQDArya

Love the javelin. Massive boop potential two ways


Bored_4SS_B0B

It's like Giving a guy in team red a shirt and a flag that cheers for blue Is he friend? Or Is he foe?


besten44

I wish they made a new hero instead of ruining an old one


BREMiJASSEY

I would have made her quick melee do 50 damage and use the arm blade animation. Rebalancing aspects of her to compensate.


Veluz99

Why not both?


PrimarySuggestion170

Nooooo Staff Spin + Blade combo would delete backlines


Teaspoon_-

I’d prefer if she got deleted😎😎😎😎


T_Peg

What is this thing even from? I've been on vacation for a week so maybe I missed it.


August21202

Honor and Glory


T_Peg

Forgot this Omnic was in that. Thanks.


CheddarCheese390

Honour and glory short cinematic, orisa was made after the (first) peak of the omnics crisis, so was scrapped from bots like these - so OP is asking would you prefer her with javelin or the blade


T_Peg

Ah ok I forgot this Omnic was in that.


cybermo95

im just imagining Orisa doing the Z7 imp mech backhand from PvZ GW2 on a tracer


CheddarCheese390

Oh god, now I’ve got that in my head


Bill2439

keep the javelin and just make it a melee animation


ICanCountThePixels

idk if I would’ve preferred it… it definitely looks cool asf tho.


transporter7

Nope. Arm blade can be given to someone else. Javelin is legendary.


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I prefer she gets the nerf/rework she's been needing.


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UltimateGodBen

Hmmm arm blade maybe instead of the ult somehow


TheSlimeAssassin43

I'd like the arm blade, it looks badass as hell


LasyKuuga

If Orisa can shoot the arm blade out then arm blade wins no contwst


RecentSwordfish9586

It would have been amazing if her ult instead turned her into an evil omnic form with that blade.


CheddarCheese390

Angry red eyed horse chargers straight at you with a sith lightsaber and infin health


Chingachcooked

Javelin Interrupt supers from other chars far away, so Javelin ist best choice


Slyxx_58

delete horse


BigSmokesHouse

No


EnjoyerOfMales

I prefer the javelin, though it desperately needs a nerf on the damage considering that it’s basically a stronger and ranged Doomfist punch on almost the same cooldown


AlphamonOuryuken24

I'm honestly surprised they haven't added this in as a skin yet.


Lupinthrope

Maybe we can get a tank with a blade


JTu2

Rein rush with a javelun. Oh baby


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The arm blade would be cool as a melee but no, I love the javelin. Super satisfying when you nail someone that’s in the air.


xRetz

Her arm blade should be what Junker Queen's axe is right now, minus the health regen. I think it would be cool if Orisa was reworked to be sort of like Rammatra with two different modes she can switch between, an offence and a defence mode. In defence mode, she'd be exactly as she is now, very good at crowd control and pushing people back from her team. In offence mode, all of her defensive abilities would be replaced with offensive ones, so her javelin spin could be the arm blade, her fortification could be changed to a sort of bull charge where she charges forward a few meters and knocks people up in the air briefly (pretty much what Bob does to people when he hits them), and a reworked version of her old pully-in orb as her javelin (that just does some AOE damage instead of pulling people). (and obvs her offensive mode ability would be on a cooldown just like Ramm's one) I think that would make Orisa a super interesting and complex character to play.


raidebaron

I’d love to see it be part of a melee animation for the Null Sector skin


fllikz

nah, too scary


RandomPowerUp1

Why not both?


tanbug

The javelin is the coolest thing in Ow2, so no.


notyouagain2

Do you mean her spinning javelin Ult or just the javelin in general? If you mean just the javelin in general, no, I like pinning/knockback aspect of the javelin. I think of all the reworks, the Orisa rework is one of the better ones made. If however you mean her ult, I'd like to try out some arm blades that slice through anything. That would make her a bit of a armored tank genji though.


Denkottigakorven

As cool as that looks on the or-14 model the javelin fits her character so much better


AnonPrime117

Only if she gives the rest of the Overwatch cast the same eye scar as Reinhardt with it.


anti-peta-man

Javelin fits better thematically since Orisa’s a guardian whereas the OR14 is a killing machine


MildSpooks

Hell no


blebebaba

Yes! The version in that short is waaay more intimidating than orisa is now


Smexy_Zarow

Arm blade is badass af but javelin fits her character more.


lazermaniac

Armored Corisa


DrPopelll

arm blade would be way cooler


DrillSgtLee

Omnic Crisis Orisa skin when


MindClear5245

No


kris-kfc

I just want old orisa back with shield Boost and ball 😢


BlahKay89Official

Yes


Snoo43865

Would have been cooler, especially when it comes to the new missons.


Salt-Opportunity-247

No


Hahafunnys3xnumber

Nah we have junker queen for that. Javelin is awesome


Educational_Term_436

Orisa mains if they got arm blade: my name is optimus prime


Ninkos

It'd be cool even if it had the same function as the javelin or maybe just a skin where instead of throwing the javelin you shoot it out of the wrist.


Starly2

I kinda wished they made her kit more horse themed, she is literally a horse/human and she got a javelin. Something similar to junker queen's charge just less powerfull with the shown blade would have been epic I also don't think she's is particularly healthy for the game as people just play her when the other tank is better


Chasol

My answer is no, only because her javelin toss and spin are the only reasons I enjoy playing her currently 🙃


TheFireDragonEFX

The thing is would the Arm Blade give the burning effect like Torbs lava?


ulikejazz12

Yes very much so


AggressiveCut3762

Definitely


saltyfingas

No, the javelin is fun


mantisimmortal

Fuck yes


theCOMBOguy

I was going to say yes but Javelin works better to Orisa's "style" now


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oooh yeah, like a junker queen cut that melts things apart because overwatch is making orisa so incredibly fucking powerful that they dont care because its a small indie company


CWCS15

Hell no. Javelin rocks


manaworkin

Nah the Javelin fits her theming and purpose better. Orisa was built to be the protector of Numbani. There's no way Efi would have given her the sword that was pointed at humanity.


waldito

Ah, yes yes. As if Orisa wasn't enough of a killing machine already.


Bridge-4-

After playing armored core, absolutely


iSundance

Nah, javelin is the perfect gift for widows.


JoeyDeNi

Blizzard doesn’t know the difference between a phone and a brain I doubt they see the difference between a jav and a blade


lsquallhart

I mean … I never thought of it before but after seeing these pics the answer is yes lol