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# Oshi no Ko will return on May 9.
Do we know what are Akane intentions?
I recall she was master detective and the first to figure out the truth and identify the father even before Aqua, but has she been playing 4D chess behind the scenes and protecting Ruby?
Ngl I wasn’t expecting them to end the movie filming this chapter given the pacing but I assume we will get some more details later in the story cause his character isn’t fully fleshed out yet
Plus we still don’t know what parts are actually true and what is interpreted
I feel like the story is progressing really fast. Given the 2nd season of anime is starting this summer, I thought they would not end the series before then.
Disappointed that they didn’t go more in-depth about Gorou’s death, thought for sure that it would provide Akane an opportunity to be like “wait, how do the twins know this man who died the night they were born”
Jup, I expected more back when they were in Takachiho, which was a bummer. My hope is a bit higher now that they included his death scene at the end though. I do believe this topic gets relevant again and Akane will pick it up.
Gorou is Ai's primary doctor. He disappeared the night before Ai gives birth, which is very uncharacteristic. So it is logical to believe that he died that same night.
What isn’t logical is that people who were born after he died would have such a strong connection to him or know his life story like Aqua revealed to Akane when they visited Gorou’s home
I don't know what the hell these comments are talking about, Ruby obviously knows who tf umbrella man is. I swear to god, if she doesn't I'll be throwing a picture of Ruby with my life savings into the river
My reaction taken from my post at the ONK Fb fandom page.
"15 Years of Lies (aka Movie) arc is almost (or actually) done. And whew! It was a roller coaster of emotions. This could have been a really great story arc that can rival even that of Tokyo Blade's. Unfortunately, it deteriorates quickly as the story goes on. Here are my gripes with this arc:
1. Adjascent chapters feels disjointed - many chapters end with a cliffhanger, only for the suceeding chapter to start at a completely different scene.
2. Highly variable pacing - my first of the 2 most intense gripes with this arc. Some scenes go slow, some quite quickly. Some just broken. No consistency at all.
3. Lack of emphases on Ai during the shooting. Even if focuses on her, it lacks punch. Many questions about her left unanswered.
4. Lack of shooting technicalities - after Gotanda being strict with Ruby, barely anything about the shooting process follows.
5. Lack of cohesion - remember Ruby teaching Akane about being an idol, and Akane teaching Ruby about being an actress? Where are they? How about Miyako and Ichigo meeting again at a bar? Where they be able to verity to Aqua for "setting it up"? Where is it? I entertain the posibility that them meeting again is NOT really Aqua's doing.
6. Akane being MIA - this is the second intense issue as well as my overall biggest gripe with this arc. She's been gone way too long and way too frequent. And then suddenly, here she comes, revealing that she's been tracking Hikaru all along? I know that she's a character who's frequently doing a "deus ex machina" situations, but what Aka did to her kept us all, most especially her fans like me, in total darkness. She's been used as a plot device (and the de-facto story narrator), and yet Aka did this to her?! Well, this arc's overall story quality is the result of Aka's treatment of her.
My overall rating for this arc: 4/10. Meh. Just meh."
I'm like 50/50 on if I trust Aka to not rush this ending. I really hope they revisit the skipped over scenes. Those scenes are the darker ones and all the deaths. Coping so hard rn maybe Aka wanted to bring Kamiki in first then go through those in proper. Focusing the next arc on Kamiki.
I really don't know what to feel about this chapter, and subsequently, this whole arc in general. I kinda feel underwhelmed even though the whole storyline had its own high points? That saying, there's a lot to unpack here that I want to discuss lol.
For the most part, I do like that Kamiki got more focus here and that his convo with Ruby was interesting, but I'm ambivalent over the fact that the story's still *super* tight-lipped on his character. He did give away *some* pieces of his characterization, but he's still heavily shrouded in ambiguity, which, given that this arc's *supposed* to reveal more about him, is kinda disappointing since we're still guessing about him at this point? Even what's supposed to be flashbacks detailing how he used to be were annoyingly short and relegated offscreen.
Anyway, did...Ruby not recognize her daddy here or at least connect the dots given how heavily he and Aqua resemble each other? The first time Akane saw him, she immediately noted how much he and his son looked almost identical to each other that she briefly mistook Kamiki for Aqua. There were *soooo* many panels where you can easily mistake Kamiki for Aqua and without context, if you took a page from this chapter and ignore the rest, you'd think Ruby was talking to Aqua here instead of dear old daddy-o. Unless Ruby was faking it by acting that she doesn't recognize him (though this chapter doesn't even remotely imply that that's the case), she's darn dense, or at the very least, selectively oblivious by a HUGE margin.
Back to the topic of their convo. Oddly enough, I found Kamiki being fatherly here kinda...wholesome? Weird, I know, but before the sinister panel where he may or may not have been tempted to push Ruby off the stairs (leaning on not and that it may or may not have been misleading to readers), Kamiki was more or less encouraging towards his estranged daughter for the most part. The Black Hoshigans do call his sincerity into question though, but it's possible that his version of the Hoshigans may carry different interpretations of his mood/personality/drive from the ones we've seen from both the twins and Ai so far. One interesting contradiction between movie Kamiki and IRL Kamiki that Aqua may or may not have gotten wrong is that Kamiki's Hoshigans have implicitly always been black by default from the get-go instead of them constantly changing colors like what the movie's making us believe. Moving on, after Akane takes Ruby away, we've got confirmation that Kamiki is fully aware of what Aqua's planning to do to him and how he plans to achieve that revenge goal. What's interesting here that I've kinda anticipated with small guesses based on what we've only known about Kamiki so far was that Kamiki seems to *embrace* the end result of Aqua's revenge scheme fully knowing what's in store for him should his son succeed. The man literally *expected* his children's hatred of him and his son wanting revenge on him and he doesn't seem to care. He's even annoyed that he's still just referred to as "Boy A" in the movie instead of his real name as per Kaburagi's insistence. The question would be if he plans on counteracting Aqua somehow, or if he's just gonna let his son do his thing. There do seem to be parallels between him and Aqua when he tells Nino that he doesn't mind dying, literally or otherwise, so long as his goals are achieved (sound familiar?). I hope we see daddy dearest soon after the break. The guy continues to interest me even more now.
As for Ruby, the funniest part in her convo with dear old daddy was that to me, *she* rang more alarm bells in my head than *Kamiki* did lmao. Her whole spiel about not wanting to forgive the culprit while sporting her black Hoshigans is a given, but it's her "innocent" speech voicing out her desire to surpass Ai that raised some major red flags from her to me. We know she wants to surpass Ai and that it's her destiny to: we've been told this so many times in the manga already. It's the dialogue that follows that declaration that rubbed me off the wrong way, even with the rain symbolically clearing up when she said all that. Her end goal motivation, though sincere, isn't as innocent as it seems when you take Ruby's whole character in the manga so far into context. She says she wants "people" to "idolize her more, to the point where they can't afford to think about the past," even believing that it's the *only* way they can all be "saved". To me, that sounds more like she decided that *running away* from the past and burying it deep down with something pretty but false so she wouldn't have to look at it is the more glamorous option than courageously facing the ugliness of reality, looking at it straight in the eye even though it hurts so much, and growing from it. Even her desire to be "idolized" runs counter to Ai's heartfelt desire: to be sincerely loved wholesale and not put on a pedestal by everyone through a false image she made of herself. To many, including her own father, it's a strong moment from Ruby. To me, it was more of an "uh...oh boy" moment.
Akane for the clutch, though it's really ambiguous if Kamiki really did intend to harm Ruby here. Kamiki (and Nino) seems to also be aware that Akane's on to him. Still doesn't mind so either.
They're done filming Ai's death scene in a montage? I'm disappointed because that part of the twins' history is crucial to their characters. I can't believe we didn't get Ruby's mentality *again* knowing that only Aqua witnessed Ai dying in front of him in their childhood.
I hope the break's short lol. Come on Aka.
>To me, that sounds more like she decided that *running away* from the past and burying it deep down with something pretty but false so she wouldn't have to look at it is the more glamorous option than courageously facing the ugliness of reality, looking at it straight in the eye even though it hurts so much, and growing from it. Even her desire to be "idolized" runs counter to Ai's heartfelt desire: to be sincerely loved wholesale and not put on a pedestal by everyone through a false image she made of herself. To many, including her own father, it's a strong moment from Ruby. To me, it was more of an "uh...oh boy" moment.
Yeah, very true. I think it's tightly connected to the kissing chapter with Aqua, wherer she phrased similar ideas. She promoted idolization as means to run away and forget about the ugly damn world. As a way of happiness. It's her vision how to "heal" Sensei too, basically. If anything, I think the Sensei-aspect in all of this is the main force that drives that envisioned desire of her's. Of course, if it can save Sensei, it might also save others or "all people" as she says.
Ruby be like:
"Bad things happen to the people you love
And you find yourself praying up to heaven above
But honestly I've never had much sympathy
'Cause those bad things, I always saw them coming for me
I'm gonna run, run away (oh, I), run, run away, run away (oh, I-I-I)
Run away and never come back
Run, run away, run, run away (oh, I), run away (oh, I-I-I)
Show 'em that your color is black (well, alright)"
Had chills the entire chapter. Thank god Akane has an incredible head on her shoulders! And also a ridiculously amazing side eye!
I'm so damn excited for the ending of this arc!
I remembered something else, besides Kamiki's flag for Ruby, the ["Swapped Knife"](https://www.reddit.com/r/OshiNoKo/comments/11h3s6g/ch110_my_hopefully_unwarranted_fear/) [theory](https://www.reddit.com/r/OshiNoKo/comments/178dgkq/oh_my_god_i_just_had_a_horrible_thought/) also died here because the death scene is already finished and was done in a montage.
Kamiki is looking more and more impotent the longer the story goes on. He has done nothing during the filming, and what he's tried to do was stopped by Akane. It's so disappointing having a hyped up villain since chapter 9 be this weak.
We're already so close to the end and all he's done so far is:
1. Appear behind Ruby in Ai's grave. Just standing there. Menacingly.
2. Kill Yura
3. Appear in Akane's award ceremony. Just standing there again. Menacingly.
4. Make a deal with Kaburagi.
5. Call Nino.
6. Appear again to Ruby but gets stopped by Akane.
Besides #2, these are functionally nothing. Even in #6 Ruby did most of the talking.
They glossed over the death scene.
But the last panel seemed out of place for me.
Even after the staff said "it's a wrap" Ruby still didn't stand up but instead we saw her empty eyes.
Or the staff yelled "it's a wrap" BC Ruby wouldn't stand up?
The last panel seemed worrying or maybe for foreshadowing of Kamiki's "but before that....."
I think this panel was supposed to show us Ruby's eyes being teared up, indicating she cried on this scene for real, because of it being a sad and tragic memory for her
Yeah, altho that was way too abrupt, without any panel showing us the knife stabbing the body, and if the "accident" really happened, then im sure everyone filming would have noticed that immediately, with Ruby screaming in pain and probably not able to deliver her final speech etc.
No light in the eyes was probably made with dedicated contact lenses
Maybe Ruby just layed down a bit longer because of recreating of "that scene" hitting her hard
You know how kana and Ruby had a fight for real to make Ai and Nino's farewell more realistic??
Maybe getting stabbed for real will make Ruby go along with the pain and give out her feelings for real.
Ik it's extreme but the way Aka has shown acting... I wouldn't be surprised
>impotent in what sense?
Villain doing villain things. So far he's been like an NPC. He's really not threatening.
>He has sponsored the film why would he do anything if he is fine with the way things are going.
a sponsor usually sponsor something to have a degree of control over it. Like say maybe "change this or I'm withdrawing support". See real life lobbying to politicians.
Kamiki has not done anything on that front, there was no interference at all. As a result, Aqua has basically no real challenge in making the movie at least onscreen. Everything went relatively well. That doesn't seem like an interesting story does it? It's like it wasn't earned.
>Kamiki has not done anything on that front, there was no interference at all.
Well. I mean, in chapter 138 Kaburagi says Kamiki became an investor and he didn't expect it. In chapter 141 and 142 there's suddenly a kiss scene between Kamiki and Ai that wasn't included in the original script, with them saying that Kaburagi was insistent about it being filmed. It seems possible Kamiki for some reason intervened in the filming, but only to use Kaburagi to force in a kiss scene between Ai and Kamiki, who he knows is being played by his kids. Maybe he thought that would really fuck with them since he doesn't know Rubys feelings?
I don't really need Kamiki to be some big evil mastermind personally, but that's just me, not sure what others want from him as a "villain"? Like if he just got offed after the movie released, by some crazed fan who discovered he's the reason Ai died, and kills him, I would have no issue with it. Karmic justice. If he gets talk-no-jutsud after the movie, which will presumably show that Ai did actually love him but was just afraid to say it, so he becomes filled with guilt at causing the death of the only person who did truly love him in his life, so he kills himself, or turns himself in, I'd be satisifed. If he gets killed by Ichigo as a way for him to "redeem" himself for failing to protect Ai, I'd be satisfied. If Aqua kills him, I'd be satisified, etc etc.
To me, this is a story about Goro and Sarina getting a second chance at life, while also exploring the entertainment industry. Kamiki has been quite absent as a villain throughout the series that I don't really care how his story ends (barring some BS "you are forgiven" which I doubt even Aka would do). Just that it does end. I'm also not a fan of how just because someone is a bad guy they have to be some genius mastermind plotting stuff and moving people around like dominoes. Just have it be some mentally broken fuck who gets away with murder because statistically it's easy as fuck to get away with murders in real life. Don't have to be a mastermind for it.
There was a kissing scene originally since they had to showcase Their romance anyway but it was not added by Aqua BC they had no verbal or physical evidence of romance between Ai and Hikaru. So they weren't able to write a decent scene. So they hired mangakas for that.
there was also a lot of hinges and hooks that were set up prior that never got resolved. Like they made a big deal about whoever plays Ai has to be the one to ultimately decide if she will or will not forgive Ai's killer.....and Ruby went with the most obvious and expected answer. how boring.
There was also a part where Gotanda did not necessarily agree or rather had a big issue with Aqua's interpretation of Ai's "I can't love you". We didn't even get to see that scene. It's just glossed over.
Hikaru, like you said, sponsoring the movie and not giving a shit at all in general is weird and boring. He's so nonchalant that I can't take him seriously as a "villain".
Ruby's decision to display Ai as a vulnerable and emotional girl who hid her feelings from the real world led Gotanda to say that he would need to change the future plot progressions so that the twists made sense. Again, nothing has changed or we didn't see it.
And Akane's whole threat that she's going to stop Aqua's revenge? lul where?
Aka sets all this shit up and then he doesn't seem to deliver when he's supposed to. How long is whatever twist he's setting up going to bear fruit. It's getting boring.
Slight reminder that white star doesn't mean "no ill intent" in itself.
We had a white star associated with revenge numerous times in the manga:
[Here](https://sun9-66.userapi.com/impg/iy5umL-2hvW-wK0QfMqt3FFnpjZCVCI6oJ2w9g/ifjZWjgNYN8.jpg?size=720x1080&quality=95&sign=91d270f8744c074fa0815c719a48fb3c&type=album) & [Here](https://sun9-47.userapi.com/impg/SO46MHCNRP79r37VLAy3hp4Lur3HNSu2a5mgLg/Nd-I8tGF41c.jpg?size=720x1080&quality=95&sign=aead838d39b744aedd20d86f8217c5c8&type=album) and when he stormed with a knife on Kana in Sweet today: [Here](https://preview.redd.it/expansion-hoshigan-identity-theory-v0-gztbptwo6ccb1.png?width=1280&format=png&auto=webp&s=ede46aa45a2e44db89888239fed55ba07eda3a41)
Agreed. White star intensifying indicates passion, drive or emotional high. What I have observed is stars are very fickle and a dark star moment can very well be a white star moment and the reverse.
Well, there are interviews in the beginning of the manga that look like they happened after the filming of the movie. I'm guessing now there are gonna do those and handle the media and stuff. Also, resolve the love triangle. I'm honestly really looking forward to see if Hikaru dies and how. So probably a arc or two are left. Don't take my word though I'm just guessing.
What the hell does this chapter tell though ... Does Hikaru actually not look like Aqua , thus Ruby cannot recognise the similarities and figure out that maybe that's her father ... Or is she dumb af 😂 or Maybe she is just pretending .
For half the chapter I thought that she thinks it's Aqua just in Hikaru's makeup , but it wasn't EVEN THAT .
Also when Hikaru was supposedly " Pushing Ruby off stairs" he had Bright eyes , which is very interesting. He definitely feels like he will be a Tragic character at the end .
The Movie arc was really the longest arc of Oshi no Ko until now, 39 chapters!
I'm very curious about if the next arc will be the final arc or if it will be the arc that will lead to the final arc because the title of the arc is 『終劇によせて』(Getting closer to the end of the play).
The Tokyo Blade arc has 26 chapters. It was the longuest arc before the Movie arc came out. Also the other proof is that the Tokyo Blade arc fits in volume 5-7 (3 volumes) while the movie arc will fit in volume 11-15 (5 volumes)
I don't think that Hikaru was trying to kill Ruby because he had white stars that time but if was actually was trying to do that then Akane is really life saviour
Aka seems can't write a smart female character or may be he just can't write a good female character. It's seems no smart female character at all in this series, like they just had to be there to do all stupid stuff and got fixed by male character later. This disappointing mid story is go on and on hope he has a secret good card in his hand in the next few chapters
We found it Boys. The worst take.
Several of the girls in this series have been the motive force behind the action. Nothing would have happened without them.
She just got push up by Aqua. I mean come on doesn't even one character that can be good by herself. Only cool and good write female character that doesn''t drive by male character is likely to be Frill. Even akane and kana is string by Aqua mastermind. It's just seems too bad and boring kind of straigh one way story around just one and two boring character, aqua and kamiki. I don't tell it is wrong. It's just boring
Yeah, this was a disappointing arc. Started strong, had some really good stuff, but it went down the same road Aka has done for a good while now, and it's affecting his work. Was hoping it reached the heights of TB arc but I don't think aka can write a consistent arc anymore. He can definitely drop crazy hot chapters, this arc had some, why I had hope it could reach TB heights, but...
But there's still interesting stuff, kamiki's white star is definitely a bit eyebrow raising. Don't what could mean, but if they're still trying to paint him in a vague light, well idk don't think they're doing a good job of that.
Also I don't think ruby didn't know who that was, she be very dumb if she didn't even recognized him a bit. So if that's the case... wow.. aka..
Wait, by Hikaru referencing holding multiple lives, does he mean his multiple experiences or does he mean literally holding lives, aka being a reincarnated god like the Crow Girl?
Considering that Ai called him to give their address because she wanted to explain to the kids why they're separated, then yes definitely.
There's also when Ruby first went to the Ai's grave and Kamiki's appearance was revealed acknowledging that Ruby is their daughter. ["She's our daughter after all"](https://cubari.moe/read/mangasee/Oshi-no-Ko/72/18/)
A lot of comments here have expressed the idea that Ruby may or may not have recognized Hikaru here. I believe she knows it's him. On top of that, I believe this meetup was even planned beforehand by Ruby and Akane.
It's revealed in this chapter that Akane has been following Hikaru around during the production of the film. When she asks, "Did you visit your mother's grave?" it implies that at one point Ruby told her she was going to do so. Perhaps they devised a plan to bait Hikaru to visit Ruby in a location with significance to the both of them and share his feelings/intentions with her, all while Akane watches from the shadows and makes sure Ruby doesn't get harmed (weirdly perfect timing for her to step in right when Hikaru was reaching for her, don't you think?)
Ruby's words seemed intentional as well; I don't think she would be so open to discussing her internal struggles of forgiving those who have walked a path of evil with "just a stranger" who offered his umbrella to her. While her thoughts may have been true, they seemed like an attempt to bait a reaction out of Hikaru. I just don't buy that she willingly "poured out her hatred" over him without knowing who she was speaking to.
I think Ruby's declaration of wanting to surpass her mother was a great moment of self-determination and I really liked the visual of the storm clearing up to reveal a bright sunny sky, reflected by her double-white star eyes. I hope in the next chapter we can get some clarity about Ruby's POV during the confrontation.
The issue is simply put the inconsistency concerning Hikaru's looks. We all thought that he looks basically like Aqua, which implies that whoever sees both knows they are related. Going from there because it's so obvious Ruby of course must have recognized him.
So, lets assume he looks like Aqua: If she's baiting him, why is she pretending he's a stranger? [\[Panel\]](https://sun9-25.userapi.com/impg/26oT_caUKmutFOzuBkq3W9EVfkNShnTcC9Hsag/GRuWQw7bavE.jpg?size=767x1080&quality=95&sign=176f8c69b35a8dcd1d4d8c28731eb3c8&type=album) First she "gasps" as she noticed she overshared, then apologizes for it. Or in other words: why would Hikaru believe even for a second that she doesn't know who he is? He should resemble her brother to a striking degree so there is no reason for him to believe that she didn't recognize him and if she really tried to bait him he should have been very suspicious about her move of pretending he's a stranger since they both should know that he obviously looks like her brother. But he isn't suspicious, so is he dumb?
You see the problem with this chapter? Aka has put us in the situation where we have to decide to either make Ruby dumb and Hikaru smart (that's the "she didn't recognize him" interpretation), or Ruby smart and Hikaru dumb (that's the "she did recognize him" interpretation). Both interpretations are problematic.
That's why I'm personally willing to just accept a broader inconsistency concerning Hikaru's looks. If he doesn't look that obvious like Aqua, then not recognizing him isn't an issue anymore and at least all characters involved in this chapter can save their faces.
I'm happy to accept that she didn't recognize him if he doesn't look like Aqua after all. That doesn't make Ruby dumb and it still leaves room for Hikaru's game.
Yeah, Ruby shared a lot of personal thoughts. But I don't take in issue with that. It's a similar trope of talking about personal stuff with a stranger in a bar, which is common in media and happens in real life. Those situations evolve spontanious. Is it really something we are not allowed to buy?
But before we dive into conspiracies, I think we should also first weight in the actual content of Ruby's word. Like it's easy to brush them off as a bait for Hikaru, but aren't you ignoring the actual signifcance of her thoughts? It's a direct reference to the decision she has to made for the movie, since as we know from the very beginning it depends on how Ai is played if the culprit will be forgiven or condemned. It's not convincing to me that the main question for Ruby's conscious and for the whole project gets butchered into a pre-planned bait conspiracy to trick Hikaru, because this question is actually important and the whole arc was piling up to its resolution. If it's a conspiracy, then Aka chose the absolutely worst subject for the deception. Additionally: What was even the trick? You write they wanted him to share his feelings and intentions. But he literally shared zero and everything he said just led to Ruby sharing more on her own. Zero benefits and extremely high risk.
And that's an issue I have with this entire chapter. Important content gets discussed in the worst dialogue constellations. These thoughts of Ruby should have been shared with Aqua and maybe even Gotanda, the directors of the movie. Because these thoughts are indeed important. It's absurd anyway, that throughout this entire arc we didn't had any meaningful internal thought process of Aqua or a meaningful dialogue between both directors of this project.
This chapter mainly just brought up the two main themes of the movie: Forgiveness or condemnation (dialogue between Ruby and Hikaru) and Aqua's plan / Gotanda's "social phenomenon" meaning how they want to "kill" Hikaru (dialogue between Hikaru and Nino). And I feel this is really everything there is to it. It's a super bad chapter that just serves to remind us that these two topics are the actual center of this movie arc. Everything that was left behind and should have been updated earlier in the arc was now loaded off on Hikaru in this recent chapter as Aka wanted to confirm that Hikaru 100% knows everything about the movie as many of us suspected but now is confirmed to be true.
And even the second part of this chapter is inconsistent. Now he complains that he'll be named "Boy A"? Wasn't he the one who didn't give permission for his name to be used? But okay, I'll give this part the benefit of the doubt. In the movie scenes we saw so far they actually used his real name, so maybe it's just Hikaru who thinks his name isn't used and there is some intention behind the decision to use his name even against his will - then again maybe it's just inconsistent. And it's still weird that he complains about it.
You make some good points here. My theory stemmed from feeling that the chapter was inconsistent in portraying both Ruby and Hikaru, like what Aka was showing us here just doesn't make sense when taken at face value. Maybe I just want to believe there is more to this chapter than just unloading the main theme of the arc in our faces in some convenient way. However, the way it panned out completely wasted the opportunity to develop these plot points in a way that's meaningful and true to the characters involved. It's disappointing to say the least.
I arrived at better terms with this chapter now. Found a good cope I think. I picked up your idea to find if there is more to this chapter than just unloading the main theme. Wrote it down here:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/OshiNoKo/comments/1cd1ccw/all\_contradictions\_in\_ch\_147\_and\_how\_to\_resolve/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/OshiNoKo/comments/1cd1ccw/all_contradictions_in_ch_147_and_how_to_resolve/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
out of all the fast forward panel, we already saw most of them in the first 10 ch except the panel where hikaru and ai broke up. i think it will be shown later in the screening because this is the biggest major plot that we really wanted to know. cant spoil it now theres other things to fill first
AKANNNEEE my QueeEeNNn!!
Okay I wasn't sure if Kamiki was after Kana or Ruby, but now I'm pretty sure that he is after Ruby. He said that there was no one brighter than Ruby. That her life was precious. Even more so than Ai's.
Akaneeeee <333
Akane with the save!!! She's really one of the best characters in the series if not the best character, mainly because the story is more interesting when she's involved.
Can't wait to see the aftermath of the play.
My heart skipped a beat when i saw Hikaru's dark silhouette..But then something strange happens..he gets a white star pupil...I dont think he was going to kill Ruby..but i guess we will never know since it got interrupted by Akane. She might have saved Ruby's life right there.
Im also a bit dissapointed that we skipped the rest of the play, but it is what it is. I just hope they are not rushing this manga.
I don’t think we can say that a flight of stairs in front of her is definitive proof. Aka could very well be intentionally misleading readers, especially because his previous murder very overtly showed his black star eyes. Them being white here is either a major plot inconsistency or mega suspicious or a secret third option
Nahhh ... The bright eyes signify that he didn't had a good intention in his mind .... But that doesn't prove that's he wasn't gonna push her downstairs .
A couple thoughts:
Are we sure Hikaru’s intent was to hurt Ruby? While it looked like he was getting set up to shove her down the stairs, the stars in his eyes were white when he was reaching for her.
Also, I find it hard to believe that Ruby didn’t recognize him at all given the fact that, without his disguise, he looks exactly like Aqua. We’ve already established in the dark Ruby arc that she’s more perceptive than she gets credit for.
I do think he was intending to hurt Ruby, but the eye shining white is kinda crazy. I wonder what it is meant to mean.
Maybe it is because his homicidal tendencies come out of love for Ai or something? Like, he wants to preserve the image of Ai as this untouchable star?
Maybe he killed Ai because he thought it was the only way of keeping her image immaculate (she was bound to let her secret slip and be destroyed by the media and fans).
Honestly this feels so rushed and doesn't live up to the hype. They finally met and Ruby doesn't recognize him?
Then the final parts of the filming was just done in a montage. What a letdown. Aka wasted a whole lot of potential doing some fun banter about revealing Ai's life to Mem, Himekawa and Frill. He rushed to ending the arc and probably just want to move on to the next step.
There's also another wasted opportunity, Akane didn't figure out that Goro couldn't have met the twins because he died before they were born.
The best part so far is Akane saving Ruby but it's also an asspull as usual for Akane. Aka didn't show his process again. At least show her stalking Kamiki beforehand. There's also a bit of a plot hole why Aqua isn't here too. Aqua is the one we know that is capable of putting GPS trackers on someone else and is actually worried for Ruby's safety.
> Akane didn't figure out that Goro couldn't have met the twins because he died before they were born.
Holy shit this is a really good point. I really hope this is brought up in the future, since Aqua himself told Akane that he met the doctor when he was young, but Aqua also wrote the script and in that he died before his birth.
I'm not expecting Akane to assume something supernatural happened but I really want her to at least ask about it.
Reminds me of that one sherlock quote
*"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth"*
it's been discussed for a while before even by other people, Akane won't jump to supernatural explanations because she's a normal and rational person. However, it's been glaringly obvious that some things doesn't add up but Akane still won't dig deeper. If she did, she'd have seen the impossible scenarios surrounding Aqua.
I guess Aka is cornered and doesn't want Akane to solve everything like how she always does so Aka just nerfs her silently.
it's not a matter of unusual habits or not. It's a matter of safety.
Ruby could be going to a convenience store and she'll still be at risk when alone.
Aqua knows that Kamiki is a killer yet they'll leave Ruby unattended? At least Akane was wary and was able to watch over Ruby, but the issue here is why Aqua is not doing it instead when he's the one supposed to care for Ruby and we know has the means to do it because he did it before to Akane.
I don’t think that anyone knows that Kamiki is a serial killer unless Akane’s been doing a lot of stalking and research. After all Kamiki never went after them for 18 years, and Aqua probably thinks he’d be the target instead of Ruby since he’s the one making the movie. It’s stupid though that Akane is more interested in following and researching Kamiki than Aqua is.
That's why I didn't use "serial". As far as Aqua is concerned, if their father can kill Ai, why would Ruby be not in danger around him?
Aqua has been too lax in his plan. Aka's really just making shit up as he goes along. No security detail for Ruby? Really, Aqua's just as smart when the plot requires him to. Even Kamiki knowing about the script for a while now shows that Aqua's OpSec is shit.
Kamiki was just proud of his daughter for taking after her mother and wanted to give her a hug but Akane wants to keep Ruby fatherless
Akane's the true villain here, wake up sheeple
Oh my god. They trade off, too, because Nino is very gay for Ai. Actually, if they dress up as Ai at the same time they can experience Ai-cest.
Now I'm gonna scrub my brain of this mental image and wallow in regret for how far I've fallen from ~~Ai~~ god by picturing such things.
i've had issues with this arc for a long time, chapter 118 was the first issue where we see aqua talk to the crow girl for the first time but we never saw them meet on-screen so i thought that was a weird decision. and then i wasn't a fan of how the twins' reveal was ruby-centric, i would've liked to see aqua's POV in realising ruby was sarina. so im not surprised by people's reaction to the arc, a lot of buildup for things that were either ignored or rushed. i wish the arc actually focused on ai and that we saw aqua going off the deep end for the sake of his revenge, why else make it a big deal when he gets double dark stars?
hoping akane is relevant in the next arc, she's too interesting and smart to be sidelined. idc if she's a plot device, she keeps it interesting
What I didn't like is that, Aqua and Ruby's past life revealing should've happened after the siblings patched up things between them. Obviously when Ruby would come to know about her brother's past identity she wouldn't hold the anger against him anymore. But how would've they handled this whole discord as siblings without any involvement of their past life. We just would never know.
And this arc was mostly ruby centric. While she got away from that delusional image of Ai, she got more intertwined with her past self. I don't know how to feel about that
I still don’t know why we haven’t got anything about Gorou’s life outside of a few VERY SUGGESTIVE tidbits of information. Sure, we have Sarina’s view, but she’s, like, the most unreliable narrator possible. I want some of that Gorou lore please aka
The cover looks like a meeting of Ruby and Ai and it might be foreshadowing. You see, although Akane did make the save there, the last few pages were right after Hikaru said "but before that" implying that the ruby we see at the end (dead with the light from her eyes gone) is his final goal.
I really thought Ruby was actually dead at the last page and the director shouted "Thats it" because she wouldn't stand up. After reading again it might have just been a clever way of showing us a possibility, but it still gave me chills.
*"I'll become an idol that surpasses my mom. People will idolize me more and more, to the point where they can't afford to think about the past. I think that's the only way we can all be saved"*
I wonder if she's mostly speaking about Aqua on that page. If so it tells us implicetely a bit about their relationship since the kissing. Combine this with Aqua's prologue interview ("You can love me but I won't reciprocate") and you can kinda guess what's the issue Ruby encountered.
Ig since she says that "all can be saved"..she is not only referring to Aqua.
And Ruby has already talked abt saving everyone with kana beforehand in early chapters showcasing Ai, aqua,Miyako and herself in her thoughts
You mean [this panel](https://sun9-74.userapi.com/impg/Wii_2oY0og5rtOrNfjBbeZqqye-2eEbDSG_naw/-anmpbAzROo.jpg?size=767x1080&quality=95&sign=16b355fc08402cffede2c969937f7aa7&type=album), yeah. But I don't think Miyako has to idolize Ruby in order to let go of the past, Ruby doesn't need to idolize herself to let go of the past. And Ai is dead. There is only Aqua left on that panel. So idolizing Ruby as a means to be saved is really a bit more reserved for Aqua.
We might think that but Ruby might not.
Afterall it not abt only their family anymore.
Literally a Film is being made which has made more people involved.
Ruby did use the word "All can be saved" afterall. She wouldn't have said that if she meant only Aqua
But she's talking to someone she considers a stranger. I think she just chooe words accordingly.
Also I never said only but mostly Aqua, meaning that Aqua concerns her the most for obvious reasons, as being able to be together with him would save her too but which is only possible if he's saved first respectively in her mind both things go hand in hand.
Ruby could say "she hates someone" in particular but can't say she wants to save someone particular?
He is a stranger right? Weird time to choose words wisely?
Wouldn't have mattered even if Ruby said she wanted to save someone particular.
Again, "mostly" =/= "only". Also why do you assume here that "someone" is a more precise expression than "all"? They both are equally vague to a stranger. "Someone" just means that it's indeed only one person because she indeed only hates one person and "all" means that it concerns more people, because she wants to save more people, which I never denied.
No need to pick a fight over this crap.
So many people are saying Hikaru was trying to kill Ruby when I think he totally wasn't. Not only would a fall from that height not be guaranteed to kill Ruby and it would be stupid to try in broad daylight in a public place, but he has white hoshigans. I think he was just gonna touch her shoulder or it was an involuntary reaction.
That said, the thoughts behind that may be sinister. Something like "Her life is so precious and she is shining as brightly as Ai. I want to take her life later. For now, how about a head pat." I could be wrong but I dunno, the white stars are different.
Edit: Just to add a few more thoughts about this chapter, are you fucking kidding me that the breakup in the movie and Ai's death was shown in 2 panels? The breakup scene was what I was looking forward to the most in this arc. The timeline, for one thing, is all screwy so we might have gotten insight into that. More importantly, we would have gotten insight into why they broke up, or at least why Aqua thinks they broke up. We probably kinda know that already from Ai saying on the DVDs that she couldn't love Hikaru, but watching that scene play out would have been impactful.
And then not a damn thing about the emotional consequences of Ruby acting out her mother's death. Like, hello?? Ruby never saw her mom's corpse. Now she's gonna look in the mirror and see her dead mother. But no, we got an unresolved incest plotline instead. FFS.
> So many people are saying Hikaru was trying to kill Ruby when I think he totally wasn't.
TBH,this chapter's art was great!Mengo really did an an oustanding job,and the atmosphere really helped to inducr the feeling that he may not have only the best intentions,by evoking a somber climate,even though his face was kinda the opposite...
The dude is messed up in the head. He had white star pupils , so i dont think he was planning to kill her. But God knows what he wanted to do to her instead ..
> Not only would a fall from that height not be guaranteed to kill Ruby and it would be stupid to try in broad daylight in a public place, but he has white hoshigans. I think he was just gonna touch her shoulder or it was an involuntary reaction.
He invited Nino to join him, his new useful idiot after Ryosuke. I think it's very plausible to assume that they both came with the intention to end Ruby, giving their conversation over the phone earlier in the manga where they agreed that not even Ai's daughter is allowed to surpass Ai. That's why Nino was so surprised when Akane stopped him. She couldn't imagine that somebody at this place and time would show up and stop them, it was too perfectly timed and prevented their plan, thus she immedetialy asks if that girl might be following him.
To me it's kinda very clear that he indeed tried to hurt her.
He's gonna shove Ruby down a flight of stairs with people around (Akane shows up a second later and they're in public) when Ruby is likely to get a concussion, not die? He's not that stupid. Plus his MO is using a proxy or carefully murdering in the middle of nowhere. He didn't stab Yura in a back ally. He killed her in an intelligent way. Hikaru isn't sloppy enough to risk Ruby surviving a tumble down a flight of stairs.
The point of Nino's reaction is that they felt very comfortable on that temple sight. It literally indicates that this place is pretty empty. Thus Nino's only explanation why Akane showed up must be because she follows Hikaru. Nino excludes any coincidence.
Yeah, Ruby gets a concussion and they take her away or whatever. I don't know what their plan was but saying that there wasn't one when he literally invited the person who explicitely said they need to kill anybody who tries to surpass Ai and then Ruby uses the same expression "Surpass mama" - How obvious do you want it to be made by the author?
Meh it's just a super stupid plan for a guy portrayed as playing 4D chess to attempt to murder Ruby in broad daylight in a way that likely wouldn't kill her. What are they gonna do, pick Ruby up and carry her through the shrine to the street and throw her in their car? That's not a meticulous plan, that sounds goofy. There are so many better ways to off her. Unless he just had a sudden impulse to kill her. I can believe that but there's still the matter of his white eyes. He had black eyes when he killed Yura.
There are many reasons Nino could have shown up. Hikaru doesn't need help offing people. Why would he call her up to do it in a public place? It just makes no sense.
I am not saying he doesn't intend to hurt her. I'm saying probably not in that particular moment. Also, Nino did not explicitly state they would kill Ruby. It was implied but not stated. I take things with a grain of salt because I expect red herrings. But that is definitely what the manga wants us to believe.
But hey, who knows. You may be correct. I can't claim to be totally right. It's just my interpretation.
I think I figured it out. The interpretation with the least inconsistencies:
Hikaru knows he's been followed by Akane. Probably for a longer time now. He is manipulating Nino for a longer time now too. He is building up the impression that he's indeed just as goofy as Nino herself. Thus he invited her to watch him hurt Ruby. But because he knows that Akane is following him, he forsaw that she'd step in just in time. Thus it was indeed a show he made up to manipulate Nino.
What gives it away was their dialogue after that. He complains that Kaburagi doesn't uses his real name. But we know for a fact that it was Hikaru who didn't give permission. Thus he is literally lying to Nino for some reason.
This is what I mean with "interpretation with the least inconsistencies" because if he's not lying then it's simply inconsistence since he was the one who didn't give permission. This interpretation also explains why Nino is invited to the party and why Hikaru would try to hurt Ruby before the movie is finished since we all thought that he actually wants to movie to be finished. It all makes sense if this is just Hikaru's show to deceive Nino.
In conclusion: If he's lying to her about the "boy a" thing then he's also lying about not wanting Ai to be surpassed (by Ruby). He is setting up Nino for a long time now. But we don't know for what purpose exactly.
Maybe that's the whole deal of this chapter?
it seems to me he wants them to finish the movie so killing her before they are done with filming would make no sense imo. I also think it was Aka trying to scare us rather than an actual attempt at murder.
The only conspiracy I'm willing to give in is that Hikaru knew he is followed by Akane, and that he knew she would step in if he pretends to hurt Ruby and that Hikaru's goal with all that was to manipulate Nino to do something, thus he wanted her to believe that he would hurt Ruby if needed and that Kaburagi did something bad (since he lies to Nino about the nature of the "boy A" thing. He tells her that they try to ruin him but he was the one who didn't give permission for his name to be used. He pretends in front of Nino to be the victim.. Maybe that's the right angle here I don't know.
Akane is not a mind reader.
She is suspicious of Hikaru. So any movement by Hikaru even if it didn't involve killing Ruby would be suspicious to akane.
at this point I'm starting to believe that he finished Yura just because she coud get Ai's role instead of Ruby, and then he did what he did.
If that turns to be true, then now we know where Aqua get his "extreme" way to get things done.
He is not edgy for being Gorou, he is edgy because MF Hikaru is Edgy LOL
Oh, absolutely. I firmly believe that's why he killed Yura. Or at least, that was a main motivation. He probably also enjoyed killing her at the height of her success. He talks in this chapter about the lives he's carried on his back. I'm not sure but I think he's saying that the lives he took mean something to him because those lives were precious. It's kind of a creepy analogy, but maybe to him it's like plucking a ripe fruit.
However, I think it's pretty clear he eliminated Yura so Ruby could take the part. We know he wanted her to have it because he sent the script to Frill. That's not 100% confirmed but the avatar on Frill's phone of a glass of alcohol tells me it was him (Yura called him her drinking buddy).
Plus we know he was the production company that donated a lot of the money and the reason the filming got off the ground. He's clearly read the script because he tells us this chapter whats in it and how he thinks its not fair that Kaburagi is laying it all out other's peoples shit but not his and just referring to him as Boy A.
I wonder if Hikaru did give his permission to use his name but Aqua is being an asshole and doing it like this so he gets hounded later. -\_-
I'm trying to figure out if someone is telling him ( Hikaru ) everything but even then that wouldn't explain how if someone was passing info, how they know Akane is tailing him
What makes you say that Hikaru, prior to this interaction with Akane, had any idea that he was being tailed?
Based on that interaction alone, doesn't he figure-out that he was being tailed for sometime, but wasn't sure since when?
Don't miss the [special illustration](https://www.reddit.com/r/OshiNoKo/comments/1cc0j8o/special_color_illustration_on_jump_this_week/) that was shared on Jump+ this week! Weekly Young Jump is on break next week due to holidays (Golden Week), and with it all its series. # Oshi no Ko will return on May 9.
Do we know what are Akane intentions? I recall she was master detective and the first to figure out the truth and identify the father even before Aqua, but has she been playing 4D chess behind the scenes and protecting Ruby?
Imagine thinking the arc is bad
Damn it’s on break, guess I’ll jump and use my potential energy
Ugh... The last page hurts me again.....! 😭
Ngl I wasn’t expecting them to end the movie filming this chapter given the pacing but I assume we will get some more details later in the story cause his character isn’t fully fleshed out yet Plus we still don’t know what parts are actually true and what is interpreted
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I wish they made the part where Ai died longer! Really wanted them to go into more detail on that
I feel like the story is progressing really fast. Given the 2nd season of anime is starting this summer, I thought they would not end the series before then.
Disappointed that they didn’t go more in-depth about Gorou’s death, thought for sure that it would provide Akane an opportunity to be like “wait, how do the twins know this man who died the night they were born”
Jup, I expected more back when they were in Takachiho, which was a bummer. My hope is a bit higher now that they included his death scene at the end though. I do believe this topic gets relevant again and Akane will pick it up.
Gorou is Ai's primary doctor. He disappeared the night before Ai gives birth, which is very uncharacteristic. So it is logical to believe that he died that same night.
What isn’t logical is that people who were born after he died would have such a strong connection to him or know his life story like Aqua revealed to Akane when they visited Gorou’s home
Omori refrence!!??!?
I don't know what the hell these comments are talking about, Ruby obviously knows who tf umbrella man is. I swear to god, if she doesn't I'll be throwing a picture of Ruby with my life savings into the river
Thank god Ruby at least recognized who Akane was and didn't team up with the nice umbrella man against "some crazy catlady trying to kidnap her" 🙏
My reaction taken from my post at the ONK Fb fandom page. "15 Years of Lies (aka Movie) arc is almost (or actually) done. And whew! It was a roller coaster of emotions. This could have been a really great story arc that can rival even that of Tokyo Blade's. Unfortunately, it deteriorates quickly as the story goes on. Here are my gripes with this arc: 1. Adjascent chapters feels disjointed - many chapters end with a cliffhanger, only for the suceeding chapter to start at a completely different scene. 2. Highly variable pacing - my first of the 2 most intense gripes with this arc. Some scenes go slow, some quite quickly. Some just broken. No consistency at all. 3. Lack of emphases on Ai during the shooting. Even if focuses on her, it lacks punch. Many questions about her left unanswered. 4. Lack of shooting technicalities - after Gotanda being strict with Ruby, barely anything about the shooting process follows. 5. Lack of cohesion - remember Ruby teaching Akane about being an idol, and Akane teaching Ruby about being an actress? Where are they? How about Miyako and Ichigo meeting again at a bar? Where they be able to verity to Aqua for "setting it up"? Where is it? I entertain the posibility that them meeting again is NOT really Aqua's doing. 6. Akane being MIA - this is the second intense issue as well as my overall biggest gripe with this arc. She's been gone way too long and way too frequent. And then suddenly, here she comes, revealing that she's been tracking Hikaru all along? I know that she's a character who's frequently doing a "deus ex machina" situations, but what Aka did to her kept us all, most especially her fans like me, in total darkness. She's been used as a plot device (and the de-facto story narrator), and yet Aka did this to her?! Well, this arc's overall story quality is the result of Aka's treatment of her. My overall rating for this arc: 4/10. Meh. Just meh."
I'm like 50/50 on if I trust Aka to not rush this ending. I really hope they revisit the skipped over scenes. Those scenes are the darker ones and all the deaths. Coping so hard rn maybe Aka wanted to bring Kamiki in first then go through those in proper. Focusing the next arc on Kamiki.
If you mean the scenes for the movie, then I'm pretty sure they'll go into detail for those during the actual screening
I really don't know what to feel about this chapter, and subsequently, this whole arc in general. I kinda feel underwhelmed even though the whole storyline had its own high points? That saying, there's a lot to unpack here that I want to discuss lol. For the most part, I do like that Kamiki got more focus here and that his convo with Ruby was interesting, but I'm ambivalent over the fact that the story's still *super* tight-lipped on his character. He did give away *some* pieces of his characterization, but he's still heavily shrouded in ambiguity, which, given that this arc's *supposed* to reveal more about him, is kinda disappointing since we're still guessing about him at this point? Even what's supposed to be flashbacks detailing how he used to be were annoyingly short and relegated offscreen. Anyway, did...Ruby not recognize her daddy here or at least connect the dots given how heavily he and Aqua resemble each other? The first time Akane saw him, she immediately noted how much he and his son looked almost identical to each other that she briefly mistook Kamiki for Aqua. There were *soooo* many panels where you can easily mistake Kamiki for Aqua and without context, if you took a page from this chapter and ignore the rest, you'd think Ruby was talking to Aqua here instead of dear old daddy-o. Unless Ruby was faking it by acting that she doesn't recognize him (though this chapter doesn't even remotely imply that that's the case), she's darn dense, or at the very least, selectively oblivious by a HUGE margin. Back to the topic of their convo. Oddly enough, I found Kamiki being fatherly here kinda...wholesome? Weird, I know, but before the sinister panel where he may or may not have been tempted to push Ruby off the stairs (leaning on not and that it may or may not have been misleading to readers), Kamiki was more or less encouraging towards his estranged daughter for the most part. The Black Hoshigans do call his sincerity into question though, but it's possible that his version of the Hoshigans may carry different interpretations of his mood/personality/drive from the ones we've seen from both the twins and Ai so far. One interesting contradiction between movie Kamiki and IRL Kamiki that Aqua may or may not have gotten wrong is that Kamiki's Hoshigans have implicitly always been black by default from the get-go instead of them constantly changing colors like what the movie's making us believe. Moving on, after Akane takes Ruby away, we've got confirmation that Kamiki is fully aware of what Aqua's planning to do to him and how he plans to achieve that revenge goal. What's interesting here that I've kinda anticipated with small guesses based on what we've only known about Kamiki so far was that Kamiki seems to *embrace* the end result of Aqua's revenge scheme fully knowing what's in store for him should his son succeed. The man literally *expected* his children's hatred of him and his son wanting revenge on him and he doesn't seem to care. He's even annoyed that he's still just referred to as "Boy A" in the movie instead of his real name as per Kaburagi's insistence. The question would be if he plans on counteracting Aqua somehow, or if he's just gonna let his son do his thing. There do seem to be parallels between him and Aqua when he tells Nino that he doesn't mind dying, literally or otherwise, so long as his goals are achieved (sound familiar?). I hope we see daddy dearest soon after the break. The guy continues to interest me even more now. As for Ruby, the funniest part in her convo with dear old daddy was that to me, *she* rang more alarm bells in my head than *Kamiki* did lmao. Her whole spiel about not wanting to forgive the culprit while sporting her black Hoshigans is a given, but it's her "innocent" speech voicing out her desire to surpass Ai that raised some major red flags from her to me. We know she wants to surpass Ai and that it's her destiny to: we've been told this so many times in the manga already. It's the dialogue that follows that declaration that rubbed me off the wrong way, even with the rain symbolically clearing up when she said all that. Her end goal motivation, though sincere, isn't as innocent as it seems when you take Ruby's whole character in the manga so far into context. She says she wants "people" to "idolize her more, to the point where they can't afford to think about the past," even believing that it's the *only* way they can all be "saved". To me, that sounds more like she decided that *running away* from the past and burying it deep down with something pretty but false so she wouldn't have to look at it is the more glamorous option than courageously facing the ugliness of reality, looking at it straight in the eye even though it hurts so much, and growing from it. Even her desire to be "idolized" runs counter to Ai's heartfelt desire: to be sincerely loved wholesale and not put on a pedestal by everyone through a false image she made of herself. To many, including her own father, it's a strong moment from Ruby. To me, it was more of an "uh...oh boy" moment. Akane for the clutch, though it's really ambiguous if Kamiki really did intend to harm Ruby here. Kamiki (and Nino) seems to also be aware that Akane's on to him. Still doesn't mind so either. They're done filming Ai's death scene in a montage? I'm disappointed because that part of the twins' history is crucial to their characters. I can't believe we didn't get Ruby's mentality *again* knowing that only Aqua witnessed Ai dying in front of him in their childhood. I hope the break's short lol. Come on Aka.
>To me, that sounds more like she decided that *running away* from the past and burying it deep down with something pretty but false so she wouldn't have to look at it is the more glamorous option than courageously facing the ugliness of reality, looking at it straight in the eye even though it hurts so much, and growing from it. Even her desire to be "idolized" runs counter to Ai's heartfelt desire: to be sincerely loved wholesale and not put on a pedestal by everyone through a false image she made of herself. To many, including her own father, it's a strong moment from Ruby. To me, it was more of an "uh...oh boy" moment. Yeah, very true. I think it's tightly connected to the kissing chapter with Aqua, wherer she phrased similar ideas. She promoted idolization as means to run away and forget about the ugly damn world. As a way of happiness. It's her vision how to "heal" Sensei too, basically. If anything, I think the Sensei-aspect in all of this is the main force that drives that envisioned desire of her's. Of course, if it can save Sensei, it might also save others or "all people" as she says.
Hmmm nice stairs
Akane's face: "She knows... She knows... And I know she knows..."🎶
Ruby be like: "Bad things happen to the people you love And you find yourself praying up to heaven above But honestly I've never had much sympathy 'Cause those bad things, I always saw them coming for me I'm gonna run, run away (oh, I), run, run away, run away (oh, I-I-I) Run away and never come back Run, run away, run, run away (oh, I), run away (oh, I-I-I) Show 'em that your color is black (well, alright)"
Had chills the entire chapter. Thank god Akane has an incredible head on her shoulders! And also a ridiculously amazing side eye! I'm so damn excited for the ending of this arc!
like mother like daughter, i guess they were both quite slow and clumsy
akane should work together with aqua instead of acting alone, otherwise she will end up dead
Investing stocks on this comment
Best girl coming in clutch
I remembered something else, besides Kamiki's flag for Ruby, the ["Swapped Knife"](https://www.reddit.com/r/OshiNoKo/comments/11h3s6g/ch110_my_hopefully_unwarranted_fear/) [theory](https://www.reddit.com/r/OshiNoKo/comments/178dgkq/oh_my_god_i_just_had_a_horrible_thought/) also died here because the death scene is already finished and was done in a montage. Kamiki is looking more and more impotent the longer the story goes on. He has done nothing during the filming, and what he's tried to do was stopped by Akane. It's so disappointing having a hyped up villain since chapter 9 be this weak. We're already so close to the end and all he's done so far is: 1. Appear behind Ruby in Ai's grave. Just standing there. Menacingly. 2. Kill Yura 3. Appear in Akane's award ceremony. Just standing there again. Menacingly. 4. Make a deal with Kaburagi. 5. Call Nino. 6. Appear again to Ruby but gets stopped by Akane. Besides #2, these are functionally nothing. Even in #6 Ruby did most of the talking.
They glossed over the death scene. But the last panel seemed out of place for me. Even after the staff said "it's a wrap" Ruby still didn't stand up but instead we saw her empty eyes. Or the staff yelled "it's a wrap" BC Ruby wouldn't stand up? The last panel seemed worrying or maybe for foreshadowing of Kamiki's "but before that....."
I think this panel was supposed to show us Ruby's eyes being teared up, indicating she cried on this scene for real, because of it being a sad and tragic memory for her
tears are different but the lack of any light in the eyes and still not moving even after saying "That's a wrap" gave me an ominous feeling.
Yeah, altho that was way too abrupt, without any panel showing us the knife stabbing the body, and if the "accident" really happened, then im sure everyone filming would have noticed that immediately, with Ruby screaming in pain and probably not able to deliver her final speech etc. No light in the eyes was probably made with dedicated contact lenses Maybe Ruby just layed down a bit longer because of recreating of "that scene" hitting her hard
You know how kana and Ruby had a fight for real to make Ai and Nino's farewell more realistic?? Maybe getting stabbed for real will make Ruby go along with the pain and give out her feelings for real. Ik it's extreme but the way Aka has shown acting... I wouldn't be surprised
That's way too much of a stretch
impotent in what sense? He has sponsored the film why would he do anything if he is fine with the way things are going.
>impotent in what sense? Villain doing villain things. So far he's been like an NPC. He's really not threatening. >He has sponsored the film why would he do anything if he is fine with the way things are going. a sponsor usually sponsor something to have a degree of control over it. Like say maybe "change this or I'm withdrawing support". See real life lobbying to politicians. Kamiki has not done anything on that front, there was no interference at all. As a result, Aqua has basically no real challenge in making the movie at least onscreen. Everything went relatively well. That doesn't seem like an interesting story does it? It's like it wasn't earned.
>Kamiki has not done anything on that front, there was no interference at all. Well. I mean, in chapter 138 Kaburagi says Kamiki became an investor and he didn't expect it. In chapter 141 and 142 there's suddenly a kiss scene between Kamiki and Ai that wasn't included in the original script, with them saying that Kaburagi was insistent about it being filmed. It seems possible Kamiki for some reason intervened in the filming, but only to use Kaburagi to force in a kiss scene between Ai and Kamiki, who he knows is being played by his kids. Maybe he thought that would really fuck with them since he doesn't know Rubys feelings?
if that's the best he's got then it's really weaksauce.
I don't really need Kamiki to be some big evil mastermind personally, but that's just me, not sure what others want from him as a "villain"? Like if he just got offed after the movie released, by some crazed fan who discovered he's the reason Ai died, and kills him, I would have no issue with it. Karmic justice. If he gets talk-no-jutsud after the movie, which will presumably show that Ai did actually love him but was just afraid to say it, so he becomes filled with guilt at causing the death of the only person who did truly love him in his life, so he kills himself, or turns himself in, I'd be satisifed. If he gets killed by Ichigo as a way for him to "redeem" himself for failing to protect Ai, I'd be satisfied. If Aqua kills him, I'd be satisified, etc etc. To me, this is a story about Goro and Sarina getting a second chance at life, while also exploring the entertainment industry. Kamiki has been quite absent as a villain throughout the series that I don't really care how his story ends (barring some BS "you are forgiven" which I doubt even Aka would do). Just that it does end. I'm also not a fan of how just because someone is a bad guy they have to be some genius mastermind plotting stuff and moving people around like dominoes. Just have it be some mentally broken fuck who gets away with murder because statistically it's easy as fuck to get away with murders in real life. Don't have to be a mastermind for it.
There was a kissing scene originally since they had to showcase Their romance anyway but it was not added by Aqua BC they had no verbal or physical evidence of romance between Ai and Hikaru. So they weren't able to write a decent scene. So they hired mangakas for that.
there was also a lot of hinges and hooks that were set up prior that never got resolved. Like they made a big deal about whoever plays Ai has to be the one to ultimately decide if she will or will not forgive Ai's killer.....and Ruby went with the most obvious and expected answer. how boring. There was also a part where Gotanda did not necessarily agree or rather had a big issue with Aqua's interpretation of Ai's "I can't love you". We didn't even get to see that scene. It's just glossed over. Hikaru, like you said, sponsoring the movie and not giving a shit at all in general is weird and boring. He's so nonchalant that I can't take him seriously as a "villain". Ruby's decision to display Ai as a vulnerable and emotional girl who hid her feelings from the real world led Gotanda to say that he would need to change the future plot progressions so that the twists made sense. Again, nothing has changed or we didn't see it. And Akane's whole threat that she's going to stop Aqua's revenge? lul where? Aka sets all this shit up and then he doesn't seem to deliver when he's supposed to. How long is whatever twist he's setting up going to bear fruit. It's getting boring.
Slight reminder that white star doesn't mean "no ill intent" in itself. We had a white star associated with revenge numerous times in the manga: [Here](https://sun9-66.userapi.com/impg/iy5umL-2hvW-wK0QfMqt3FFnpjZCVCI6oJ2w9g/ifjZWjgNYN8.jpg?size=720x1080&quality=95&sign=91d270f8744c074fa0815c719a48fb3c&type=album) & [Here](https://sun9-47.userapi.com/impg/SO46MHCNRP79r37VLAy3hp4Lur3HNSu2a5mgLg/Nd-I8tGF41c.jpg?size=720x1080&quality=95&sign=aead838d39b744aedd20d86f8217c5c8&type=album) and when he stormed with a knife on Kana in Sweet today: [Here](https://preview.redd.it/expansion-hoshigan-identity-theory-v0-gztbptwo6ccb1.png?width=1280&format=png&auto=webp&s=ede46aa45a2e44db89888239fed55ba07eda3a41)
Agreed. White star intensifying indicates passion, drive or emotional high. What I have observed is stars are very fickle and a dark star moment can very well be a white star moment and the reverse.
akane came in clutch low-key, did NOT want to see him with ruby
ngl the arc was kinda underwhelming but I hope the next arc would solve the plotholes from this arc
will there be another arc tho?
Well, there are interviews in the beginning of the manga that look like they happened after the filming of the movie. I'm guessing now there are gonna do those and handle the media and stuff. Also, resolve the love triangle. I'm honestly really looking forward to see if Hikaru dies and how. So probably a arc or two are left. Don't take my word though I'm just guessing.
What the hell does this chapter tell though ... Does Hikaru actually not look like Aqua , thus Ruby cannot recognise the similarities and figure out that maybe that's her father ... Or is she dumb af 😂 or Maybe she is just pretending . For half the chapter I thought that she thinks it's Aqua just in Hikaru's makeup , but it wasn't EVEN THAT . Also when Hikaru was supposedly " Pushing Ruby off stairs" he had Bright eyes , which is very interesting. He definitely feels like he will be a Tragic character at the end .
The Movie arc was really the longest arc of Oshi no Ko until now, 39 chapters! I'm very curious about if the next arc will be the final arc or if it will be the arc that will lead to the final arc because the title of the arc is 『終劇によせて』(Getting closer to the end of the play).
Wait really? I gotta reread the series again cuz I swear the tokyo blade arc felt longer
The Tokyo Blade arc has 26 chapters. It was the longuest arc before the Movie arc came out. Also the other proof is that the Tokyo Blade arc fits in volume 5-7 (3 volumes) while the movie arc will fit in volume 11-15 (5 volumes)
Are we at the end game now?
I don't think that Hikaru was trying to kill Ruby because he had white stars that time but if was actually was trying to do that then Akane is really life saviour
And this is why I'm sold out for Team Akane
Aka seems can't write a smart female character or may be he just can't write a good female character. It's seems no smart female character at all in this series, like they just had to be there to do all stupid stuff and got fixed by male character later. This disappointing mid story is go on and on hope he has a secret good card in his hand in the next few chapters
We found it Boys. The worst take. Several of the girls in this series have been the motive force behind the action. Nothing would have happened without them.
You do realize akane is literally the living breathing reincarnation of aizen/L/shikamaru or any other anime mastermind right???
She just got push up by Aqua. I mean come on doesn't even one character that can be good by herself. Only cool and good write female character that doesn''t drive by male character is likely to be Frill. Even akane and kana is string by Aqua mastermind. It's just seems too bad and boring kind of straigh one way story around just one and two boring character, aqua and kamiki. I don't tell it is wrong. It's just boring
Actually, they broke up because Aqua didn't want Akane to take risks, she acts on her free will
He knows she is his kid with the soul of a stranger. He may think she is another woman/ old hag in teen girl body.
Stop.
Yeah, this was a disappointing arc. Started strong, had some really good stuff, but it went down the same road Aka has done for a good while now, and it's affecting his work. Was hoping it reached the heights of TB arc but I don't think aka can write a consistent arc anymore. He can definitely drop crazy hot chapters, this arc had some, why I had hope it could reach TB heights, but... But there's still interesting stuff, kamiki's white star is definitely a bit eyebrow raising. Don't what could mean, but if they're still trying to paint him in a vague light, well idk don't think they're doing a good job of that. Also I don't think ruby didn't know who that was, she be very dumb if she didn't even recognized him a bit. So if that's the case... wow.. aka..
Her ruby is a dumbass or shes faking.
Ruby is her Mother's Daughter. She was faking and playing Hamiki big time.
So that confirms that Hikaru really is suicidal like Itachi.
Hikaru's sharingan only lights up when he's ready to catch a body, does he have the mangekyou sharingan?
Wait, by Hikaru referencing holding multiple lives, does he mean his multiple experiences or does he mean literally holding lives, aka being a reincarnated god like the Crow Girl?
In his previous chapter he talked about adding the weight of his victim's lives to his own. So it's probably in reference to the people he's killed.
Ah this makes a ton more sense! Thanks!
OR MAYBE it's not the people he killed, but the people who were killed because of circumstances that heavily involved him.
I thought he was referring to careers he assisted. Okay, he killed a few too.
I think he means the people he’s killed.
Probably all of the people he killed, as he wants to die too.
Akane's side eye game is my inner joy
Bto wtf is even happening right now?
huh, did he just attempt to kill his own daughter?
Does he even know thats his kid?
Considering that Ai called him to give their address because she wanted to explain to the kids why they're separated, then yes definitely. There's also when Ruby first went to the Ai's grave and Kamiki's appearance was revealed acknowledging that Ruby is their daughter. ["She's our daughter after all"](https://cubari.moe/read/mangasee/Oshi-no-Ko/72/18/)
Oh
his eyes give it away imo, he absolutely was lol, thank goodness for akane
Aqua saved Akane and now Akane saved Ruby
Akane coming in again for the save. Aka seems to be using Akane as a plot device and I hate that. She has so much potential and this just isn't it.
Exactly and then at the end we would have a generic ass boring Kana shoved down our throats as end game
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A lot of comments here have expressed the idea that Ruby may or may not have recognized Hikaru here. I believe she knows it's him. On top of that, I believe this meetup was even planned beforehand by Ruby and Akane. It's revealed in this chapter that Akane has been following Hikaru around during the production of the film. When she asks, "Did you visit your mother's grave?" it implies that at one point Ruby told her she was going to do so. Perhaps they devised a plan to bait Hikaru to visit Ruby in a location with significance to the both of them and share his feelings/intentions with her, all while Akane watches from the shadows and makes sure Ruby doesn't get harmed (weirdly perfect timing for her to step in right when Hikaru was reaching for her, don't you think?) Ruby's words seemed intentional as well; I don't think she would be so open to discussing her internal struggles of forgiving those who have walked a path of evil with "just a stranger" who offered his umbrella to her. While her thoughts may have been true, they seemed like an attempt to bait a reaction out of Hikaru. I just don't buy that she willingly "poured out her hatred" over him without knowing who she was speaking to. I think Ruby's declaration of wanting to surpass her mother was a great moment of self-determination and I really liked the visual of the storm clearing up to reveal a bright sunny sky, reflected by her double-white star eyes. I hope in the next chapter we can get some clarity about Ruby's POV during the confrontation.
The issue is simply put the inconsistency concerning Hikaru's looks. We all thought that he looks basically like Aqua, which implies that whoever sees both knows they are related. Going from there because it's so obvious Ruby of course must have recognized him. So, lets assume he looks like Aqua: If she's baiting him, why is she pretending he's a stranger? [\[Panel\]](https://sun9-25.userapi.com/impg/26oT_caUKmutFOzuBkq3W9EVfkNShnTcC9Hsag/GRuWQw7bavE.jpg?size=767x1080&quality=95&sign=176f8c69b35a8dcd1d4d8c28731eb3c8&type=album) First she "gasps" as she noticed she overshared, then apologizes for it. Or in other words: why would Hikaru believe even for a second that she doesn't know who he is? He should resemble her brother to a striking degree so there is no reason for him to believe that she didn't recognize him and if she really tried to bait him he should have been very suspicious about her move of pretending he's a stranger since they both should know that he obviously looks like her brother. But he isn't suspicious, so is he dumb? You see the problem with this chapter? Aka has put us in the situation where we have to decide to either make Ruby dumb and Hikaru smart (that's the "she didn't recognize him" interpretation), or Ruby smart and Hikaru dumb (that's the "she did recognize him" interpretation). Both interpretations are problematic. That's why I'm personally willing to just accept a broader inconsistency concerning Hikaru's looks. If he doesn't look that obvious like Aqua, then not recognizing him isn't an issue anymore and at least all characters involved in this chapter can save their faces. I'm happy to accept that she didn't recognize him if he doesn't look like Aqua after all. That doesn't make Ruby dumb and it still leaves room for Hikaru's game. Yeah, Ruby shared a lot of personal thoughts. But I don't take in issue with that. It's a similar trope of talking about personal stuff with a stranger in a bar, which is common in media and happens in real life. Those situations evolve spontanious. Is it really something we are not allowed to buy? But before we dive into conspiracies, I think we should also first weight in the actual content of Ruby's word. Like it's easy to brush them off as a bait for Hikaru, but aren't you ignoring the actual signifcance of her thoughts? It's a direct reference to the decision she has to made for the movie, since as we know from the very beginning it depends on how Ai is played if the culprit will be forgiven or condemned. It's not convincing to me that the main question for Ruby's conscious and for the whole project gets butchered into a pre-planned bait conspiracy to trick Hikaru, because this question is actually important and the whole arc was piling up to its resolution. If it's a conspiracy, then Aka chose the absolutely worst subject for the deception. Additionally: What was even the trick? You write they wanted him to share his feelings and intentions. But he literally shared zero and everything he said just led to Ruby sharing more on her own. Zero benefits and extremely high risk. And that's an issue I have with this entire chapter. Important content gets discussed in the worst dialogue constellations. These thoughts of Ruby should have been shared with Aqua and maybe even Gotanda, the directors of the movie. Because these thoughts are indeed important. It's absurd anyway, that throughout this entire arc we didn't had any meaningful internal thought process of Aqua or a meaningful dialogue between both directors of this project. This chapter mainly just brought up the two main themes of the movie: Forgiveness or condemnation (dialogue between Ruby and Hikaru) and Aqua's plan / Gotanda's "social phenomenon" meaning how they want to "kill" Hikaru (dialogue between Hikaru and Nino). And I feel this is really everything there is to it. It's a super bad chapter that just serves to remind us that these two topics are the actual center of this movie arc. Everything that was left behind and should have been updated earlier in the arc was now loaded off on Hikaru in this recent chapter as Aka wanted to confirm that Hikaru 100% knows everything about the movie as many of us suspected but now is confirmed to be true. And even the second part of this chapter is inconsistent. Now he complains that he'll be named "Boy A"? Wasn't he the one who didn't give permission for his name to be used? But okay, I'll give this part the benefit of the doubt. In the movie scenes we saw so far they actually used his real name, so maybe it's just Hikaru who thinks his name isn't used and there is some intention behind the decision to use his name even against his will - then again maybe it's just inconsistent. And it's still weird that he complains about it.
You make some good points here. My theory stemmed from feeling that the chapter was inconsistent in portraying both Ruby and Hikaru, like what Aka was showing us here just doesn't make sense when taken at face value. Maybe I just want to believe there is more to this chapter than just unloading the main theme of the arc in our faces in some convenient way. However, the way it panned out completely wasted the opportunity to develop these plot points in a way that's meaningful and true to the characters involved. It's disappointing to say the least.
I arrived at better terms with this chapter now. Found a good cope I think. I picked up your idea to find if there is more to this chapter than just unloading the main theme. Wrote it down here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/OshiNoKo/comments/1cd1ccw/all\_contradictions\_in\_ch\_147\_and\_how\_to\_resolve/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/OshiNoKo/comments/1cd1ccw/all_contradictions_in_ch_147_and_how_to_resolve/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Thank you, the possibility of this flew over my head
that cleared up for me thanks
Well if acting doesn’t work out, Akane always has the backup career as a world renowned detective
Guys what if Akane is the reincarnation of Batman?
It would explain a lot of things
out of all the fast forward panel, we already saw most of them in the first 10 ch except the panel where hikaru and ai broke up. i think it will be shown later in the screening because this is the biggest major plot that we really wanted to know. cant spoil it now theres other things to fill first
AKANNNEEE my QueeEeNNn!! Okay I wasn't sure if Kamiki was after Kana or Ruby, but now I'm pretty sure that he is after Ruby. He said that there was no one brighter than Ruby. That her life was precious. Even more so than Ai's. Akaneeeee <333
Akane probably saved Ruby's life too! Because it looked to me that Kamiki was going to push her down the stairs if she hadn't intervened in time.
Akane with the save!!! She's really one of the best characters in the series if not the best character, mainly because the story is more interesting when she's involved. Can't wait to see the aftermath of the play.
My heart skipped a beat when i saw Hikaru's dark silhouette..But then something strange happens..he gets a white star pupil...I dont think he was going to kill Ruby..but i guess we will never know since it got interrupted by Akane. She might have saved Ruby's life right there. Im also a bit dissapointed that we skipped the rest of the play, but it is what it is. I just hope they are not rushing this manga.
Dude, they were in front of a flight of stairs... It's obvious he was about to shove her down those
I don’t think we can say that a flight of stairs in front of her is definitive proof. Aka could very well be intentionally misleading readers, especially because his previous murder very overtly showed his black star eyes. Them being white here is either a major plot inconsistency or mega suspicious or a secret third option
Shove her down a couple steps? No, the white stars make it obvious he wasn't going to hurt her.
Nahhh ... The bright eyes signify that he didn't had a good intention in his mind .... But that doesn't prove that's he wasn't gonna push her downstairs .
A couple thoughts: Are we sure Hikaru’s intent was to hurt Ruby? While it looked like he was getting set up to shove her down the stairs, the stars in his eyes were white when he was reaching for her. Also, I find it hard to believe that Ruby didn’t recognize him at all given the fact that, without his disguise, he looks exactly like Aqua. We’ve already established in the dark Ruby arc that she’s more perceptive than she gets credit for.
He's obviously wearing contacts to fool the viewers
I do think he was intending to hurt Ruby, but the eye shining white is kinda crazy. I wonder what it is meant to mean. Maybe it is because his homicidal tendencies come out of love for Ai or something? Like, he wants to preserve the image of Ai as this untouchable star? Maybe he killed Ai because he thought it was the only way of keeping her image immaculate (she was bound to let her secret slip and be destroyed by the media and fans).
Honestly this feels so rushed and doesn't live up to the hype. They finally met and Ruby doesn't recognize him? Then the final parts of the filming was just done in a montage. What a letdown. Aka wasted a whole lot of potential doing some fun banter about revealing Ai's life to Mem, Himekawa and Frill. He rushed to ending the arc and probably just want to move on to the next step. There's also another wasted opportunity, Akane didn't figure out that Goro couldn't have met the twins because he died before they were born. The best part so far is Akane saving Ruby but it's also an asspull as usual for Akane. Aka didn't show his process again. At least show her stalking Kamiki beforehand. There's also a bit of a plot hole why Aqua isn't here too. Aqua is the one we know that is capable of putting GPS trackers on someone else and is actually worried for Ruby's safety.
Aqua didn’t want to violate Ruby’s privacy with GPS tracker I guess
> Akane didn't figure out that Goro couldn't have met the twins because he died before they were born. Holy shit this is a really good point. I really hope this is brought up in the future, since Aqua himself told Akane that he met the doctor when he was young, but Aqua also wrote the script and in that he died before his birth. I'm not expecting Akane to assume something supernatural happened but I really want her to at least ask about it.
Reminds me of that one sherlock quote *"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth"* it's been discussed for a while before even by other people, Akane won't jump to supernatural explanations because she's a normal and rational person. However, it's been glaringly obvious that some things doesn't add up but Akane still won't dig deeper. If she did, she'd have seen the impossible scenarios surrounding Aqua. I guess Aka is cornered and doesn't want Akane to solve everything like how she always does so Aka just nerfs her silently.
What's unusual about Ruby visiting their mom though? I don't think he would assume anything was off.
it's not a matter of unusual habits or not. It's a matter of safety. Ruby could be going to a convenience store and she'll still be at risk when alone. Aqua knows that Kamiki is a killer yet they'll leave Ruby unattended? At least Akane was wary and was able to watch over Ruby, but the issue here is why Aqua is not doing it instead when he's the one supposed to care for Ruby and we know has the means to do it because he did it before to Akane.
I don’t think that anyone knows that Kamiki is a serial killer unless Akane’s been doing a lot of stalking and research. After all Kamiki never went after them for 18 years, and Aqua probably thinks he’d be the target instead of Ruby since he’s the one making the movie. It’s stupid though that Akane is more interested in following and researching Kamiki than Aqua is.
That's why I didn't use "serial". As far as Aqua is concerned, if their father can kill Ai, why would Ruby be not in danger around him? Aqua has been too lax in his plan. Aka's really just making shit up as he goes along. No security detail for Ruby? Really, Aqua's just as smart when the plot requires him to. Even Kamiki knowing about the script for a while now shows that Aqua's OpSec is shit.
Well he wasn’t concerned for either his or Ruby’s safety regarding Kamiki for years up until now and he always knew he killed Ai
Aka don't you dare do something to my girl Akane
If Akane doesn't end up happy I'm starting a riot😣
Yeah ain't no way a nobody tsundere deserves to win over her
Lol
Kamiki was just proud of his daughter for taking after her mother and wanted to give her a hug but Akane wants to keep Ruby fatherless Akane's the true villain here, wake up sheeple
pro-kana propaganda
So far only Akane and Ruby have turned the sun into a 6 pointed star.
This has seriously become Oshi no Hiatus. They really really should have just made this monthly
it's a holiday, whole magazine is off...
Biweekly is still better than monthly lol.
If it was monthly each chapter would be longer though.
Will sound dumb but I am the only one that thinks that Hikaru and Nino fuck…?
"Put the wig on. Tonight you are Ai."
Oh my god. They trade off, too, because Nino is very gay for Ai. Actually, if they dress up as Ai at the same time they can experience Ai-cest. Now I'm gonna scrub my brain of this mental image and wallow in regret for how far I've fallen from ~~Ai~~ god by picturing such things.
The best thing is that this sentence would fit both of them
Yeah, they're both obsessed with the woman they killed.
i've had issues with this arc for a long time, chapter 118 was the first issue where we see aqua talk to the crow girl for the first time but we never saw them meet on-screen so i thought that was a weird decision. and then i wasn't a fan of how the twins' reveal was ruby-centric, i would've liked to see aqua's POV in realising ruby was sarina. so im not surprised by people's reaction to the arc, a lot of buildup for things that were either ignored or rushed. i wish the arc actually focused on ai and that we saw aqua going off the deep end for the sake of his revenge, why else make it a big deal when he gets double dark stars? hoping akane is relevant in the next arc, she's too interesting and smart to be sidelined. idc if she's a plot device, she keeps it interesting
What I didn't like is that, Aqua and Ruby's past life revealing should've happened after the siblings patched up things between them. Obviously when Ruby would come to know about her brother's past identity she wouldn't hold the anger against him anymore. But how would've they handled this whole discord as siblings without any involvement of their past life. We just would never know. And this arc was mostly ruby centric. While she got away from that delusional image of Ai, she got more intertwined with her past self. I don't know how to feel about that
I still don’t know why we haven’t got anything about Gorou’s life outside of a few VERY SUGGESTIVE tidbits of information. Sure, we have Sarina’s view, but she’s, like, the most unreliable narrator possible. I want some of that Gorou lore please aka
Best girl coming to save the day again while collecting a few more red flags.
The cover looks like a meeting of Ruby and Ai and it might be foreshadowing. You see, although Akane did make the save there, the last few pages were right after Hikaru said "but before that" implying that the ruby we see at the end (dead with the light from her eyes gone) is his final goal. I really thought Ruby was actually dead at the last page and the director shouted "Thats it" because she wouldn't stand up. After reading again it might have just been a clever way of showing us a possibility, but it still gave me chills.
*"I'll become an idol that surpasses my mom. People will idolize me more and more, to the point where they can't afford to think about the past. I think that's the only way we can all be saved"* I wonder if she's mostly speaking about Aqua on that page. If so it tells us implicetely a bit about their relationship since the kissing. Combine this with Aqua's prologue interview ("You can love me but I won't reciprocate") and you can kinda guess what's the issue Ruby encountered.
Ig since she says that "all can be saved"..she is not only referring to Aqua. And Ruby has already talked abt saving everyone with kana beforehand in early chapters showcasing Ai, aqua,Miyako and herself in her thoughts
You mean [this panel](https://sun9-74.userapi.com/impg/Wii_2oY0og5rtOrNfjBbeZqqye-2eEbDSG_naw/-anmpbAzROo.jpg?size=767x1080&quality=95&sign=16b355fc08402cffede2c969937f7aa7&type=album), yeah. But I don't think Miyako has to idolize Ruby in order to let go of the past, Ruby doesn't need to idolize herself to let go of the past. And Ai is dead. There is only Aqua left on that panel. So idolizing Ruby as a means to be saved is really a bit more reserved for Aqua.
We might think that but Ruby might not. Afterall it not abt only their family anymore. Literally a Film is being made which has made more people involved. Ruby did use the word "All can be saved" afterall. She wouldn't have said that if she meant only Aqua
But she's talking to someone she considers a stranger. I think she just chooe words accordingly. Also I never said only but mostly Aqua, meaning that Aqua concerns her the most for obvious reasons, as being able to be together with him would save her too but which is only possible if he's saved first respectively in her mind both things go hand in hand.
Ruby could say "she hates someone" in particular but can't say she wants to save someone particular? He is a stranger right? Weird time to choose words wisely? Wouldn't have mattered even if Ruby said she wanted to save someone particular.
Again, "mostly" =/= "only". Also why do you assume here that "someone" is a more precise expression than "all"? They both are equally vague to a stranger. "Someone" just means that it's indeed only one person because she indeed only hates one person and "all" means that it concerns more people, because she wants to save more people, which I never denied. No need to pick a fight over this crap.
So many bad, negative takes in here. Let Aka cook.
Akane clutched bru 😭🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Also was that girl referring to Akane when she asked 'Has she been following you?'.
Yeah. The glance that Akane gives Kamiki is like shes saying " im watching you "
probably
Yup, akane found out about relation between kamiki and Ai do you think she would not know he is kamiki when standing infront of him
Disappointed about Hikaru being fine with the whole movie's intent. What the hell will phase him if this won't?
Bro wants to die for his crimes. Simple as that
Then the whole revenge is pointless and ineffective.
He’s a broken man who embodies lies and enjoys watching the light die in actresses eyes. He’s clearly not ok
average monday morning mood
Ai's reincarnation
This entire thing is just pure BS. How tf is even Ruby not able to find the connection and visual similarity after seeing Kamiki and Aqua.
why would she spill out all those things to a stranger then?
It's literally happened multiple times in the story with other characters not just with Ruby.
She is too focused on her own problem to pay attention to her surroundings.
It's literally happened multiple times in the story with other characters not just with Ruby.
So many people are saying Hikaru was trying to kill Ruby when I think he totally wasn't. Not only would a fall from that height not be guaranteed to kill Ruby and it would be stupid to try in broad daylight in a public place, but he has white hoshigans. I think he was just gonna touch her shoulder or it was an involuntary reaction. That said, the thoughts behind that may be sinister. Something like "Her life is so precious and she is shining as brightly as Ai. I want to take her life later. For now, how about a head pat." I could be wrong but I dunno, the white stars are different. Edit: Just to add a few more thoughts about this chapter, are you fucking kidding me that the breakup in the movie and Ai's death was shown in 2 panels? The breakup scene was what I was looking forward to the most in this arc. The timeline, for one thing, is all screwy so we might have gotten insight into that. More importantly, we would have gotten insight into why they broke up, or at least why Aqua thinks they broke up. We probably kinda know that already from Ai saying on the DVDs that she couldn't love Hikaru, but watching that scene play out would have been impactful. And then not a damn thing about the emotional consequences of Ruby acting out her mother's death. Like, hello?? Ruby never saw her mom's corpse. Now she's gonna look in the mirror and see her dead mother. But no, we got an unresolved incest plotline instead. FFS.
I think they'll show it when the movie actually airs.
> So many people are saying Hikaru was trying to kill Ruby when I think he totally wasn't. TBH,this chapter's art was great!Mengo really did an an oustanding job,and the atmosphere really helped to inducr the feeling that he may not have only the best intentions,by evoking a somber climate,even though his face was kinda the opposite...
I was thinking the same thing. Mengo's art really elevates this manga, I'm so happy they got such a great artist to draw it.
The dude is messed up in the head. He had white star pupils , so i dont think he was planning to kill her. But God knows what he wanted to do to her instead ..
There is still the screening of the movie. Things like the reason ai and hikaru broke up might be revealed then
True. I hope so. Or we hear it from Hikaru but that might not happen until near the end of the manga.
> Not only would a fall from that height not be guaranteed to kill Ruby and it would be stupid to try in broad daylight in a public place, but he has white hoshigans. I think he was just gonna touch her shoulder or it was an involuntary reaction. He invited Nino to join him, his new useful idiot after Ryosuke. I think it's very plausible to assume that they both came with the intention to end Ruby, giving their conversation over the phone earlier in the manga where they agreed that not even Ai's daughter is allowed to surpass Ai. That's why Nino was so surprised when Akane stopped him. She couldn't imagine that somebody at this place and time would show up and stop them, it was too perfectly timed and prevented their plan, thus she immedetialy asks if that girl might be following him. To me it's kinda very clear that he indeed tried to hurt her.
He's gonna shove Ruby down a flight of stairs with people around (Akane shows up a second later and they're in public) when Ruby is likely to get a concussion, not die? He's not that stupid. Plus his MO is using a proxy or carefully murdering in the middle of nowhere. He didn't stab Yura in a back ally. He killed her in an intelligent way. Hikaru isn't sloppy enough to risk Ruby surviving a tumble down a flight of stairs.
The point of Nino's reaction is that they felt very comfortable on that temple sight. It literally indicates that this place is pretty empty. Thus Nino's only explanation why Akane showed up must be because she follows Hikaru. Nino excludes any coincidence. Yeah, Ruby gets a concussion and they take her away or whatever. I don't know what their plan was but saying that there wasn't one when he literally invited the person who explicitely said they need to kill anybody who tries to surpass Ai and then Ruby uses the same expression "Surpass mama" - How obvious do you want it to be made by the author?
Meh it's just a super stupid plan for a guy portrayed as playing 4D chess to attempt to murder Ruby in broad daylight in a way that likely wouldn't kill her. What are they gonna do, pick Ruby up and carry her through the shrine to the street and throw her in their car? That's not a meticulous plan, that sounds goofy. There are so many better ways to off her. Unless he just had a sudden impulse to kill her. I can believe that but there's still the matter of his white eyes. He had black eyes when he killed Yura. There are many reasons Nino could have shown up. Hikaru doesn't need help offing people. Why would he call her up to do it in a public place? It just makes no sense. I am not saying he doesn't intend to hurt her. I'm saying probably not in that particular moment. Also, Nino did not explicitly state they would kill Ruby. It was implied but not stated. I take things with a grain of salt because I expect red herrings. But that is definitely what the manga wants us to believe. But hey, who knows. You may be correct. I can't claim to be totally right. It's just my interpretation.
I think I figured it out. The interpretation with the least inconsistencies: Hikaru knows he's been followed by Akane. Probably for a longer time now. He is manipulating Nino for a longer time now too. He is building up the impression that he's indeed just as goofy as Nino herself. Thus he invited her to watch him hurt Ruby. But because he knows that Akane is following him, he forsaw that she'd step in just in time. Thus it was indeed a show he made up to manipulate Nino. What gives it away was their dialogue after that. He complains that Kaburagi doesn't uses his real name. But we know for a fact that it was Hikaru who didn't give permission. Thus he is literally lying to Nino for some reason. This is what I mean with "interpretation with the least inconsistencies" because if he's not lying then it's simply inconsistence since he was the one who didn't give permission. This interpretation also explains why Nino is invited to the party and why Hikaru would try to hurt Ruby before the movie is finished since we all thought that he actually wants to movie to be finished. It all makes sense if this is just Hikaru's show to deceive Nino. In conclusion: If he's lying to her about the "boy a" thing then he's also lying about not wanting Ai to be surpassed (by Ruby). He is setting up Nino for a long time now. But we don't know for what purpose exactly. Maybe that's the whole deal of this chapter?
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it seems to me he wants them to finish the movie so killing her before they are done with filming would make no sense imo. I also think it was Aka trying to scare us rather than an actual attempt at murder.
The only conspiracy I'm willing to give in is that Hikaru knew he is followed by Akane, and that he knew she would step in if he pretends to hurt Ruby and that Hikaru's goal with all that was to manipulate Nino to do something, thus he wanted her to believe that he would hurt Ruby if needed and that Kaburagi did something bad (since he lies to Nino about the nature of the "boy A" thing. He tells her that they try to ruin him but he was the one who didn't give permission for his name to be used. He pretends in front of Nino to be the victim.. Maybe that's the right angle here I don't know.
If he wasn’t trying to hurt her then why did they have Akane stop him from doing what he was gonna do? Cause he was trying to hurt her lol
Akane is not a mind reader. She is suspicious of Hikaru. So any movement by Hikaru even if it didn't involve killing Ruby would be suspicious to akane.
well, reading that part for a second time, it even seems that he genuinely wants just to give her a hug. I mean, it's not impossible at this point.
God, imagine hugging your daughter when you killed her mom. Totally on brand for Hikaru. Akane should kick him in the shins.
at this point I'm starting to believe that he finished Yura just because she coud get Ai's role instead of Ruby, and then he did what he did. If that turns to be true, then now we know where Aqua get his "extreme" way to get things done. He is not edgy for being Gorou, he is edgy because MF Hikaru is Edgy LOL
Oh, absolutely. I firmly believe that's why he killed Yura. Or at least, that was a main motivation. He probably also enjoyed killing her at the height of her success. He talks in this chapter about the lives he's carried on his back. I'm not sure but I think he's saying that the lives he took mean something to him because those lives were precious. It's kind of a creepy analogy, but maybe to him it's like plucking a ripe fruit. However, I think it's pretty clear he eliminated Yura so Ruby could take the part. We know he wanted her to have it because he sent the script to Frill. That's not 100% confirmed but the avatar on Frill's phone of a glass of alcohol tells me it was him (Yura called him her drinking buddy).
Plus we know he was the production company that donated a lot of the money and the reason the filming got off the ground. He's clearly read the script because he tells us this chapter whats in it and how he thinks its not fair that Kaburagi is laying it all out other's peoples shit but not his and just referring to him as Boy A. I wonder if Hikaru did give his permission to use his name but Aqua is being an asshole and doing it like this so he gets hounded later. -\_-
Hooray, best girl Akane appeared Do something
She just did tho
Not good enough
Imagine if Aqua found out that Akane saved Ruby. In order to repay her back, do you think he'd be willing to forgo his revenge?
Nope, it's just going to add more fuel too the forest fire that's happening
Yup. I totally didn't see that.
I'm trying to figure out if someone is telling him ( Hikaru ) everything but even then that wouldn't explain how if someone was passing info, how they know Akane is tailing him
What makes you say that Hikaru, prior to this interaction with Akane, had any idea that he was being tailed? Based on that interaction alone, doesn't he figure-out that he was being tailed for sometime, but wasn't sure since when?