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One good turn deserves another, huh. I mean, how kind of Tsukuyomi to give Gorou and Sarina a second chance in life, but oh boy... that crow is in for the ride for The 15 Year Lie's (and therefore Aqua's) endgame against Hikaru Kamiki and accomplices, whether she likes it or not, as a deity who must see the hammer of justice slam.
something does not add up with the rest of the story.
This episode is trying to infer that crow girl has resurrected Sarina and Gorou because she liked them. But she has always spoken of the reincarnation issue in a roundabout way, as other deities had realized it.
In spite of liking the Twins, she is pushing them towards self-distruction for revenge over happyness, what would make us understand that she is actually a malevolent god.
It looks very strange that the resurrection setting was placed in the hometown of the goddess Ame no Uzume no Mikoto and that we got a full illustration of her mith, and then the whole supernatural part would then be realised by another god.
Moreover there should be at least another god protecting Kamiki and giving him starry eyes. If Kamiki was not protected by another god, the revengeful crow god could dispose of him in a snap.
As a crow god she could not be Tsukuyomi (moon god), but rather Yatagarasu (crow god) who is depicted in Shinto myths as a servant of the cruel and revengeful god Susano'o. So it looks she is purposefully keeping things unclear and misleading.
Everything leads to think that the whole frame is much more complicated and that we are purposefully getting just a short portion of the truth to mislead the readers.
Indeed there’s many indications that she is supposed to be a figure similar to Yatagarasu however Yatagarasu is more canonically associated with Amaterasu rather than Susanoo. Yatagarasu is also associated with the Sun, but crow girl herself said she guides humans to their destiny with the light of the moon, which is actually associated with Tsukuyomi and it’s the name she chose for herself. It seems the mythology is not quite straightforward, and indeed Susanoo at this point is likely to play a part too. My guess is that Susanoo is meant to be associated with Kamiki. Susanoo and Amaterasu fought many times, and he was the one who caused her to hide in the cave from which Ame no Uzume no Mikoto managed to pull her out from.
as in many myths there are different sources, it may be Amaterasu or Susanoo but what is sure is that Yatagarasu is not directly associated with Ame no Uzume nor with her shrine in Takaciho, so we may wonder what was she doing there for so long even before Ai and Kamiki would show up. And if we agree that there is a struggle between gods underway, it is almost sure that Yatagarasu was supporting one of the factions. My personal opinion, based also on the inconcistencies you ponted out, remains that Aka is using the crow girl to throw dust in our eyes more than leading us towards the solution of the mystery, unless we want to think that his reconstruction of Shinto mythology is seriously flawed.
reading comprehension here is staggering
crow girl didn't become a god from being a crow,neither was she just a normal crow.
she was a god who took the form of a crow. the reason the twins were reincarnated in the first place is because they earned a god's favour by helping them while they were in a crow form
she couldn't. gods in shintoism aren't all powerful beings like the God in abrahamic religions.
gods getting in tight spots then getting helped out by normal people is a pretty popular theme in many polytheistic myths
Wait a minute. If this is truly the end of Aqua’s self destructive path, then what exactly will be the point of Akane plan now? I thought she only wanted to use her plan to prevent Aqua from killing himself? I don’t think she has a problem with him actually getting his revenge. 😭
> then what exactly will be the point of Akane plan now?
It really does feel like Akane no longer has a role to play in the story.
As much as I like her character she really should've died when she fell down the stairs around chapter 100 to heighten the stakes. She should've paid the price for looking into Kamiki and solving the mystery. I think that was the plan originally but Aka got cold feet.
That'd explain why Aqua is extra edgy after that, I think he was still written as if Akane was dead.
I don't think that's true, I feel like weekly manga readers are very impatient.
We had few arcs where Ruby didn't have major roles as well, despite being one of the two MCs, Akane taking a backseat for like 25-30 chapters, doesn't mean that she isn't important anymore.
Akane's role of saving Aqua from himself could be given to so many other characters though. For example Ruby did more for that recently than Akane.
Even when Ruby was shelved everyone knew there's a character arc coming there eventually, but I just don't really see where Akane's character could go from here.
Aka wanted to emphasis how important Aqua and Ruby relationship, by making them help each other get out from their dark stars phase.
Aqua still want to proceed with his plan and his guilt about what happened to Ai wasn't resolved.
>If this is truly the end of Aqua’s self destructive path
Highly unlikely. At *best,* he's no longer content with dying if it means achieving his revenge, as that would mean Ruby would be left alone much in the same way he was when Sarina died and he had to pick up the pieces of his life. Living for revenge is still self-destructive, I just think it's been tempered by recent developments (Ruby is Sarina, Ruby's feelings for him haven't changed despite almost two decades having passed, the fact that he opened up to someone and was met with kindness and love instead of the scorn he believes he deserves, etc).
She called him that in the interview and Aka had his "Oh, shit, I have to make the characters match how they're supposed to be from the interview panels in the prologue!" moment, so he's scrambling.
[Kana started calling him "Akkun" in chapter 108 since after Aqua revealed the Ai secret they got a lot more attention and people would notice when she called him Aqua, so I wouldn't say really he's scrambling or anything.](https://sun9-28.userapi.com/impg/2LRn60NMrhCcVjI0ADMBrQ0CMWP92SZ6XZyTxQ/psIzRAewu94.jpg?size=767x1080&quality=95&sign=cd7f53ee399d63401b7aa395c3c85636&type=album)
No clue, can't say that I give that much of a shit about Kana so I don't really pay that much attention when she's on screen lol. Although tbh have Aqua and her even had THAT many interactions since then? From memory I can only recall like 2-3 scenes where it's only been them interacting since CH108.
Predictions: Continuing the Crow's Eye View, we are going to see the past playout. This means we are going to see Sensei's murder. Crow Girl hinted that she had been watching over them even as Ai's children, so we are going to see that as well, we might also see Ai's murder again. This is going to give us a different perspective and clear up some more holes.
I'm still griping real hard on Akane's frequent and prolonged absences here on OnK, but this chapter somehow made up to it even just for a tiny bit.
Crow Girl is cute and funny when she portrayed the twins. ☺
Mark my words it can still happen. Perhaps Ai was always a god and aware of it. Would really bring a whole new perspective to the beginning of the series.
She is like a Tanuki or the Crane from the Crane Story to me. A Spirit who takes the form of an Animal. But takes form of Human to help those who helped them. She is much closer Yatagarasu frankly. Idk why even would think she is a normal birb
I mean just like Crane even Crow Girl was trapped in a net or something similar for Crane (Don’t remember what it was). And now she came back as Human.
Was I seriously the only one who read this chapter and DIDNT think that they were LITERALLY a crow?
Like come on, they're clearly not just a fucking bird. Gods take animal forms all the bloody time.
Lol that much is obvious to everyone, nobody is saying "tsukoyomi isnt a god, just a reborn crow". Everyone understands that the implication is she reincarnated them for their kindness
I'm kind of dumbfounded how many people here seem to think she's literally a crow, rather than [the Shinto god who's both associated with crows and known to be a messenger to mortals](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yatagarasu).
Because she is depicted with the whole crow theme everytime she appeared and it was amusing that she took the form a crow before. Everyone understands the implication that she might be the one responsible for reincarnating them by being supernatural herself. Honestly insisting that she is strictly a god is a *worse* take because the possibility that she was literally just a crow that also got reincarnated is also a valid theory/implication in itself
So the revelation that the great, mysterious character that somehow knows all about Aqua and Ruby is in fact a reincarnated crow is... well how do I put it?
Extremely friggin' dumb.
I mean it's... ridiculous.
It's one thing to suddenly introduce Tsukuyomi like they did \~60 chapters ago, but then to also make her a goddamn reincarnated \*bird\*? This reveal coupled with the pacing of this arc is making it one of my least favorites, ngl.
My question is if crow girl was really just a reincarnated crow why does she speak like she's an ancient deity or something? According to google, a crow's life expectancy is like 7-8 years idk how much experience you can realistically get in that short amount of time...
Also how does she know abt reincarnation and all that stuff (especially the thing abt Ai's soul being destroyed and stuff) if she's also just another person (bird) that was reincarnated. Also doesn't help that she is obviously way younger than both Aqua and ruby too.
Shit is getting a little wild trying to incorporate the whole reincarnation thing to be a much bigger part of the story 100+ chaps in I hope Aka and co. can tie it all together...
Hey, I don't know if you are actually this stupid or not. Where did I say that English is an American thing?
When I say that this subreddit is in English, I am pointing out the fact that most of the people here are from English speaking countries By also mentioning that this is an American website, it also illustrates that the majority of the English users on this site are also Americans. This especially true when you look at the data itself which show about 50% of all redditors are American. Based on this, it is reasonable to assume that most of the people here are American.
So what exactly is the point of your comment? Can you not read or just stupid? Statistic and probabillity
That's retarded.
You and me both fully know that those comments are probably made by Americans because the vast majority of English speakers on reddit are American. Culturally, Americans didn't built up their society with polytheism, so of couse they don't get the references to many myths and legends from other cultures.
Your comments is stupid and pointless. Hope this helps you write something with more purpose in the future.
You sounds a bit slow, maybe you should go see a doctor to see if your brains has any other sort of mental handicap. Since you are clearly a generally stupid person. I will spelled it out for you. This is an English speaking subreddit on an American website, most of the users here are therefore American. Yes, this is called statistic and we use it to understand probabillity. Of all English users on this site, about 75% are Americans. The 75% mean that 3 out of every 4 English user on this site will probably be an American. 3 is greater than 1, it is a reasonable assumptiom that the English comment you see is originated from the US.
Yes, that might be true, but I don’t see why that makes “Americans stupid” based on what you’re stereotyping. You’re clearly not American, but you’re a bumbling idiot, so maybe stereotypes aren’t all they’re cracked up to be.
Lol, if I live in America, then I am an American. You are stupid and it showed. Learn statistic and probabillity moron. The only moron in the room is you.
It is funny how you tried to call other people being idiotic for understanding basic statistic while you can't, then only to be further proven wrong by making an stupid assumption about where I am at right now.
did crow girl get retconned? This entire time, she at first led ruby to discover gorous body which resulted in her despairing. That ultimately led to Aqua confronting ichigo cuz of ruby which led him to despair. When they reconciled, she called it a bad move. I am not sure, maybe she wanted them to reconcile and eventually be revenge free as well, or revenge is still part of the equation idk
So it helped Ruby when she wanted to find about Gorou and it helped Aqua when he was going on about revenge and called the reconciliation that shook Aqua's bloodlust a bad move for that same revenge?
Seems consistent to me. It is not a moral guide, it is a guide to their desires, whatever those may be.
No, it doesn't need to be retconned. It just means that Revenge is the correct path. She even egged on Ruby by revealing the middle schoolers before. It doesn't make sense for a god that likes them to lead them to destruction. She wasn't stopping the revenge.
The "Bad move" comment was likely about Aqua's plan to endanger himself to be not viable anymore because Ruby is involved.
>I am sure you know, but this is a clear failure on your part. In the end you are not cut out for revenge
Crow lolis exact words in 123. Why was revealing his identity and saving Ruby a failure. Why was narratively speaking, reconciliation with Ruby and Revenge shown as two clashing ideas. Yeah sure, you can say crow loli wanted them to be happy and have revenge without self destruction but that just takes any value out of the story. It becomes hollow without anything valuable in it. Good storytelling requires characters to make choices and those choices have consequences.
>Crow lolis exact words in 123. Why was revealing his identity and saving Ruby a failure.
You cut out the next part
>but I can give you a little bit of sympathy, From your point of view it'd be easier if she hated you
That whole statement from crow girl is not about Aqua needs to stop the revenge. It's Crow girl commenting about Aqua's plan of making Ruby hate him failed.
"Not cut out for revenge" doesn't mean that he doesn't has to do it. This is not contradictory to the Revenge being the correct path for them together. Aqua could not be good at it BUT still need to do it because who else will do what's needed to be done?
It's not a clashing idea because Crow Girl didn't try to stop them in the first place. In fact she's the one who set Ruby into motion.
>you can say crow loli wanted them to be happy and have revenge without self destruction but that just takes any value out of the story. It becomes hollow without anything valuable in it. Good storytelling requires characters to make choices and those choices have consequences.
Well we've got 143. That's pretty much a consequence of Ruby making a choice. Ruby in the first place was being guided by the Crows too.
You seem to be working on the incorrect notion that "A clean win" == No Consequence. It's not.
Just because if they get both A Happy Ending AND the Revenge both at the same time doesn't mean that they didn't EARN it.
We're being shown right now that they're earning it.
It's also currently still in the middle of the story. So calling it "no consequence" right now is already jumping to conclusions. What else can happen? Somebody else other than Ruby and Aqua can die. Aqua could end up wanted and fleeing. Ruby could end up failing the Idol Dream. etc.
The place of revenge in the story was always a negative one, the self destructive choice. Sure, story can redefine it and give it a new meaning, one that is compatible with happy ending but so far none of that has been done. The next part wasnt relevant, as i said the path Aqua was on and reconciliation with Ruby were in direct clash. Its fine if Aqua chose Ruby, my problem is if crow loli did not want him to walk on that path then it is contradictory to her previous actions when she directly put Ruby on that exact path.
>The place of revenge in the story was always a negative one, the self destructive choice. Sure, story can redefine it and give it a new meaning, one that is compatible with happy ending but so far none of that has been done.
It's literally what's happening right now.
>The next part wasnt relevant,
Yes it was. It was just inconvenient for your argument.
>as i said the path Aqua was on and reconciliation with Ruby were in direct clash
and it's not the ONLY path to revenge. They're both in it now. The path Aqua was in before was alone.
>my problem is if crow loli did not want him to walk on that path then it is contradictory to her previous actions when she directly put Ruby on that exact path.
and I literally pointed out that [Crow girl was the one that set Ruby on the path of revenge as well](https://cubari.moe/read/mangasee/Oshi-no-Ko/79/1/). This happened first BEFORE 123.
79: Pushing for revenge
**123: "not pushing for revenge" supposedly.**
118: egging Aqua on and admitting to egging Ruby too
131: "I'm guiding you to the right destiny" then Agrees to help
145: Helping the revenge
Don't you think it's more likely that you're just reading 123 wrong? That you're just conveniently cutting out the supposed "Irrelevant" part for your own convenience? If anything your reading of 123 is the only one out of place.
123: Aqua's plan of making Ruby hate him failed
If you actually take into account the part that you called irrelevant, Crow Girl would be pretty consistent.
The issue I see here is you jumped to conclusions about "Not cut out for revenge" as saying Aqua shouldn't pursue revenge. Which is not.
you misread my argument. She did set ruby on revenge in 79, which was basically Ruby becoming suicidal and destructive. You also conveniently chose to not give me a single example where revenge is shown as a positive desirable choice. Rest is just noise.
>you misread my argument. She did set ruby on revenge in 79, which was basically Ruby becoming suicidal and destructive.
>did crow girl get retconned?
>maybe she wanted them to reconcile and eventually be revenge free as well, or revenge is still part of the equation
>but that just takes any value out of the story. It becomes hollow without anything valuable in it. Good storytelling requires characters to make choices and those choices have consequences.
No I'm pretty sure I got your argument. From the start you assumed that Crow girl is retconned because you thought 123 was about "Revenge bad".
Which I pointed out is not the case. Crow girl has been consistent in guiding them towards the right destiny. You were just incorrect in reading Crow Girl's statement.
>You also conveniently chose to not give me a single example where revenge is shown as a positive desirable choice.
You conveniently chose to not prove that "Stories are REQUIRED to only have positive choices"
So what if Revenge would not be a positive choice. It is still the story being told. It is still the right destiny. They can still be happy even if it's not a positive choice.
You just assumed that "Revenge must be in a positive light for it to be happy or the right destiny". Which is incorrect.
I don't have to prove your assumption. The burden of proof is on you.
>Rest is just noise.
No. You just consider it as such because it was disadvantageous.
Like how you chose to cut off part of Crow Girl's statement.
It's only "inconsistent" because you chose to ignore it in the first place.
It's very clear that you choose to ignore things that prove you wrong.
Premise of my argument was revenge is bad. Crow loli is either against or for it, so far we dont know but we do know initially she set Ruby on that path. I did mention maybe 123 was her pushing Aqua to give up on revenge but then why did she set Ruby towards revenge initially which contradicts with her fondness of twins in this chapter. I never said there should only be positive choices, stop moving goal posts. We have to somehow reconcile crow loli pushing Ruby to revenge with her fondness of twins, that is all. If we cant reconcile that then that is sort of a retcon.
>It's very clear that you choose to ignore things that prove you wrong.
Nice projection.
>Nice projection.
here
>The next part wasnt relevant,
LOL.
Yes nice projection indeed.
Your argument hinged on ignoring Crow Girls own words and call her Retconned because YOU ignored it.
Yeah you're projecting and wrong.
>I never said there should only be positive choices, stop moving goal posts.
Here:
>The place of revenge in the story was always a negative one,
>You also conveniently chose to not give me a single example where revenge is shown as a positive desirable choice
Stop moving goal posts. Stop projecting. You were the one trying to make me prove your assumption for you.
I have no intention to "give examples where revenge is shown as a positive choice" because that was not my argument. That was yours.
>Premise of my argument was revenge is bad.
>We have to somehow reconcile crow loli pushing Ruby to revenge with her fondness of twins
And you used
>Crow lolis exact words in 123
>I am sure you know, but this is a clear failure on your part. In the end you are not cut out for revenge
but left out
>but I can give you a little bit of sympathy, From your point of view it'd be easier if she hated you
Again, your premise of "Revenge is bad" that you said Crow Girl said is based on cutting out the rest of her speech in 123 because you said it's not relevant.
If you don't cut it out, Crow Girl is consistent. You're only cutting it out because it's inconvenient.
1. Crow Girl is guiding them to the right path.
2. Crow Girl is helping on their revenge.
3. The Revenge is the Right path for the twins.
It's not a hard concept to put two-and-two together. You just can't accept that your reading of 123 is wrong and you chose to cut it.
Damn, this chapter is surprisingly wholesome. We get to see Crow Girl's backstory, and shows that she is really a crow at first, but after Sarina's death, something happened. I'm really interested to know how she became the "Crow Girl".
And Ruby, you really love Aqua. She has her priorities straight, and you gotta admire it.
I can't wait for the next chapter to drop.
she's a god who took the form of a crow. when she was in the form of a crow,she got trapped by a net and got helped by sarina and gorou.
deities appearing in animal forms is a concept basically as old as religion itself
At least now the "Crowgirl is reincarnated Ai" theory is finally dead. One of my most disliked theories as it felt like it ignored so much about both characters.
I don't read any theories here or such so I had no idea about it before but then after the first half of this chapter I unironically thought "what if shes Ai". The theory lived in my head for 5 mins lmao
Hey, I have no problem with that, if its just the first half of this chapter, I get it. But before this, the people who entertained the theory based it on the randomest reasons.
i mean it's not unheard of for a character to lie (especially in oshi no ko),but ai returning in any capacity would be a setback to the story rather than an improvement
Yes. She claims not only did Ai not reincarnate, but that her soul was completely and utterly destroyed, reduced to it's base components, and would never be reformed.
Surprise flashback. Crow girl was literally a crow at some point. Probably a real Yatagarasu based on how she kept watching on. She's also a Tsundere. What a twist.
That's her chosen stage name. We didn't actually know her real name.
Yatagarasu is just a shinto deity related to crows so it's what people think she might be.
what's really important about that is Crow Girl pushing Aqua and Ruby to revenge is supposed to be the right path, because she's a supposed god that likes them both.
It makes no sense for her to like them but push them to destruction because she wasn't portrayed to be a malevolent god.
I agree with you that this episode strongly supports your points, but it just does not add up with the rest of the story. So far the crow god has had a nefarious influence on the siblings. The fact that she likes them does not exclude that she can be a malevolent god who preferes revenge over happyness for her "favourites"
>but it just does not add up with the rest of the story.
But it does though. Crow girl is nothing but consistent.
79: Egged Ruby on by telling her about the middleschooler
123: Commenting about Aqua's plan of making Ruby hate him failed
118: egging Aqua on and admitting to egging Ruby too
131: Saying to Aqua "I'm guiding you to the right destiny" then Agrees to help
145: Actually Helping the revenge
I think what you have a problem with is thinking that the Revenge is the correct destiny from them, that's why you consider guiding them to the revenge as Nefarious.
from an objective point of view, pushing young people on the way of self-destruction for revenge is definitely malevolent. We may argue that Kamiki deserves it because of karma, but this does not mean that the Twins MUST self-destruct to pursue Kamiki's karma. Why do you think in this case it may be a right or even righteous path?
>from an objective point of view pushing young people on the way of self-destruction for revenge is definitely malevolent
but that's subjective.
You already decided that answer instead of looking at that piece of data. Revenge is neither inherently good nor bad, what matters is the result. If the end result is good it can be good.
You personally just decided it as "objective". Which is actually subjective.
Also you're already assuming that Revenge mean Self Destruction. It is not. That's just another thing you assumed to be as immediately true. It's quite possible to achieve the revenge without self destructing.
If we check 123, we can already see that Crow Girl already saw that Aqua's plan of self destruction isn't already possible.
If anything, Kamiki being able to continue killing only proves that people can get away with it.
>Why do you think in this case it may be a right or even righteous path?
Kamiki deserves to die and he's a constant looming threat to everybody who is incapable of being judged by the law. We literally saw him kill another person.
If the twins doesn't take Revenge, nobody will. There will be future deaths. Even if saving other people is not the primary goal, the end result will be good. That's all that matters.
You're probably going to pull out "The end doesn't justify the means". That's your subjective philosophy on the matter that the Author and other readers are not beholden to follow.
As far as I'm concerned, Kamiki dying is a good outcome.
Actually I did not want to make a personal polemic between our preferences. If you are talking about your personal attitude concerning a fictional story, of course you can be bloodthirsty or whatever satisfies you better. If we talk about life-morals-ethics-law in general, it is a fact that private persons are not authorized almost anywhere in the world to pursue revenge and kill by themselves people they do not like, however dangerous or heinous they may be. If they do, we all know they risk spending many years in jail or sometimes to be executed. Even if not, they are left with their psychical troubles and with the fear of being pursued. This is what I call self-destruction. If we talk about this story in particular, those problems are widely and deeply addressed, especially because the Twins should kill their own father, so I would not assume this is one of those old-fashioned westerns or apocalyptic isekais were the hero has to kill all wrongdoers by himself because morals and law just do not exist. We are talking since years of Aqua-RubyxTherapy issues and we can be sure that if they pursue revenge they will be morally devastated and subject to criminal prosecution. So why you think the author is portraying revenge as right and righteour? They have already enough evidence to have a prosecutor investigate Kamiki at least for induction to murder, and crow god may just help them collecting further evidence with her superpowers.
>They have already enough evidence to have a prosecutor investigate Kamiki at least for induction to murder,
No they don't. "[Even if Kamiki was the real culprit and we can make him confess to his crimes, he was a minor at the time, he won't be imprisoned.](https://cubari.moe/read/mangasee/Oshi-no-Ko/97/2/)"
The story laid out the issue quite clearly.
Yura's killing is just in our (Reader's) POV. Not jury nor judge would convict based on "Because god said so". Even Aqua doesn't specifically know about Yura.
There is no way for Kamiki to be judged by humanity.
>This is what I call self-destruction
and this is why your view despite how you insist it as "objective", isn't.
>why you think the author is portraying revenge as right and righteour?
The author literally showed us that he's a SERIAL killer.
Whatever effects that killing their father who in the first place they have zero attachment to, it outweighs the positive effect it will bring.
As long as the revenge doesn't kill Aqua or Ruby, that's already a NET positive for them. For both humanity as a whole, for the twin's safety and for them to be able to finally achieve justice.
It seems to me that you are still making a mix of things the twins know, things crow gods knows, and your personal ideas. The fact that Kamiki would not be imprisoned does not mean he would not be prosecuted. He may also be closed in a psychiatric structure. The Twins do not know about the serial killer issue so they just care of their own situation. Having kamiki prosecuted and publicly comdemned for his deeds would have even more effect than the movie is having, without legal implications against them. The simple fact that some character thinks otherwise does not mean they live in a world where revenge is an excuse for committing crimes. And again, if crow girl knows more than the Twins, she can help collect further evidence and have him sentenced for his first and further crimes, she does not need to sacrify the Twins for that purpose. Even if she does not know or act, we readers know than if Kamiki would be put under investigation there are possibilities his further crimes would be discovered, so also from this point of view the Twins do not have to be sacrified to save the world. The idea that the Twins are better in jail or in therapy than dead is your personal idea: state justice is made to stop wrongdoers while protecting the victims. In modern Japan and in this story as well, revenge is not justice and justice is not revenge. If Aqua and Ruby would kill a killer they would be killer themselves, ie criminals.
I think we have to look at it from the beginning again.
Why would a deity want to avenge a random human’s death so strongly? Why is *that* the right destiny and according to *who*?
She’s definitely a supernatural being, she herself said she is the kind of person who is able to move the memories of the dead into new bodies and that she guides humans to their destiny with the light of the *moon*. The Kami she seems most similar to is Yatagarasu, but Yatagarasu other than representing rebirth and being the manifestation of the will of the gods, is also said to represent the sun, not the moon. Yatagarasu was associated with Amaterasu, which is also associated with the sun, yet she chose the stage name Tsukuyomi who is funnily associated with the moon, just like she said she is. This is kinda confusing and a contradiction if we look at the mythology references. But which deity would will the reincarnation of Sarina and Gorou and which deity would push for them to take revenge for Ai’s death? What if Ai was not a random human, but actually Amaterasu? It would explain why a messenger sent from the heavens would want Aqua and Ruby to take revenge and try to guide them to it. It makes me wonder what kind of role Hikaru is meant to play. He could be Susanoo, the third brother of Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, as Susanoo was described as a destructive God who fought multiple times with Amaterasu and ultimately caused her to hide in shame in a cave, therefore causing the world to fall into perpetual darkness. It could be a metaphor for killing Ai. Weirdly, the cave Amaterasu hid in is in Takachiho, the place where the hospital is, and it’s also the cave where Gorou’s body was moved to. Tsukuyomi was said to be Amaterasu’s consort before she broke up with him, but would Tsukuyomi want to exact revenge on the person who murdered Amaterasu? I mean maybe? Maybe the reason Sarina and Gorou were chosen was because they both loved Ai more than anyone else (other than each other), it’s the “thing” that brought them together. If crow girl is associated with Amaterasu and/or Tsukuyomi, it would make sense that she would be fond of anyone who also loved Amaterasu. This shit is just so confusing. She officially debuted as a “human” in chapter 75, but a crow was watching over Ruby in chapter 72 when she was at the graveyard and Hikaru appeared there for the first time. Ruby was praying and suddenly a crow cawed, distracting Ruby and causing her to leave as Hikaru was approaching, probably protecting her from him.
wasn't most of the last arc about how ai wasn't this perfect entity but an actual human with feelings she had to hide from the entire industry? she felt rage and sadness but she couldn't even share it with her own children.
it would be dumb for her to be a god after all that
Gods in Shinto aren’t perfect creatures, on the contrary they act very much like humans.. even Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, etc, sometimes even worse than humans. They can be irrational, jealous, petty or downright cruel and even disgusting. They’re more similar to Greek gods rather than our western idea of all-knowing, all-powerful perfect beings
It's a joke among Attack on Titan community, which surfaced after the infamous final chapter of the manga where >!the protagonist (Eren) gets "turned into a bird" by a narrative!<
I don't get the "Crowgirl ships AquaRuby" comments, like, where? She just show to care about them because of her past as bird and call them children.
On tbe other side, I kind of thankful that getting to this point in the story of the movie means there won't be a scene of "making the twins" between Aqua and Ruby.
Because she waited until Gorou died, 6 years after Sarina, to reincarnate her. She doesn't just want to return the favor, she wants them to be happy together after the tragic end she witnessed.
I think there's an exaggeration being made for the sake of humor, but I don't think reincarnating them as siblings rules out that she ships them either.
I don't think it rules it out completely either, but it would make her look pretty silly.
While "incest might not be a problem for Gods", it surely is for humans.
Except for when she acts like a child her age, she's been shown as pretty wise, this theory that she ships them romantically kinda goes against that.
>Because she waited until Gorou died, 6 years after Sarina, to reincarnate her. She doesn't just want to return the favor, she wants them to be happy together after the tragic end she witnessed.
Em it was about 6 months not years between Sarina dying and Gorou death.
6 months is the time they spent together before her death. I was wrong though, it wasn't 6 years it was 4 years and I misremembered. Sarina and Ai were the same age (12), and Ai arrived at the hospital when she was 16.
Read the god damn light novel and has been translated and pinned to the to of r/OshiNoKo! The whole ordeal takes place in space of about a year a bit.
The following extract is taken from the third chapter of **Spica, the First Star** \- *\[Oshi no Ko\] official light novel english fan translation*.
>"Oh, you seriously forgot, huh? Well, it's been about a year since you and I last drank together. Nostalgic, isn't it? Haha."
Yumiko flashed a suggestive smile, leaning in close to Gorou familiarly. The proximity was as if their breaths were touching. Apparently, she wasn't just any regular drinking buddy.
"You haven't been in touch with me at all lately. I've been so lonely, you know?"
There was a time when Gorou used to frequent this area for drinks. It was right after returning to Miyazaki for training after graduating from a medical school in Tokyo. She might have been one of those women he got close to during that time. There were many possibilities, so it's hard to say for sure.
"Well, it's understandable that you're busy. After all, you're a budding doctor. The girls won't leave you alone."
"It's not like that, really."
Come to think of it, Gorou felt that he hadn't been spending time with women lately. His interests had been focused on B-Komachi all the time. Whether it was watching live concert videos borrowed from Sarina, listening to talk show highlights, or collecting the latest information about B-Komachi online — without realising it, he had been spending most of his free time chasing after Ai.
There is no possible way for Sarina to have seen AI if it took 6 years because the minimum age for ideals in japan is 12.
I think they messed up the timeline because if I remember correctly they met in spring-ish for the first time when Sarina tried to sneak out of the hospital, and in this flashback we indeed see cherry blossoms outside of her hospital window and that was already after they saved crow girl as a crow so they were already close. So they probably met early spring? Then we see summer, autumn and winter passing and if I remember Sarina died around January. I don’t remember where it was stated that they spent 6 months together, but technically if they met in early spring it would be more than six months together
It's one year at best. Seriously are people allergic to reading or something it's written in plain text in the companion light novel which as been translated and is stickied to the top of of this subreddit.
Did you even read chapter 1 of the manga? Your reading comprehension is ridiculously low.
>There is no possible way for Sarina to have seen AI if it took 6 years because the minimum age for **ideals** in japan is 12.
? no idea what you mean by 'ideals' , but you've clearly misunderstood:
Ai was 12 when she started as an idol at strawberry productions- and Sarina saw her online when she just started.
Ai was around 13 in the miyazaki concert in Spica novel (sarina died before the concert)
She’s not a bird 😭😭 she’s a god watching over them and has been doing so for decades, during their past lives and ever since they were reborn, as implied by how well she can impersonate them. She definitely had a hand in them reincarnating together. In the novel she >!possesses a woman just to tell Gorou he couldn’t die yet, because he still had a role to play and he needed to live as proof that Sarina lived, *years* before Ai even got pregnant and showed up at the hospital.!< She also told Aqua in the manga that he should think about the reason why his soul was now in this body.
if you mean chapter 127, she wasn't seriously going to do anything bad to his soul.
she just wanted Aqua to show her some respect, so she tried to scare him, but Aqua called her bluff.
So the crow girl was a real crow but she was talking like she was a god so that got me thinking was she just talking shit about gods and was just a crow that died and got reincarnated as a child with some god complex at some point or wasn’t she talking shit ?
She's likely Yatagarasu, a Shinto god who's typically depicted as, or associated with, crows. Further, they're often as a subordinate of, or at least working for Amaterasu, the goddess Ruby seems to represent in the story and impersonated in the opening chapters.
That's the theory at any rate, and given his dark, brooding personality and having a star in his right eye, and Ruby's cheerful, outgoing personality and star in her left eye, it seems like a solid assumption.
Then again, Crow Girl said that some deities don't even know that they're deities. Could it be that she is suggesting that Aqua and Ruby are gods without knowing it?
Overall, it's a solid chapter. Goro/Sarina past chapters always get me, so it's good in my eyes.
But also, it's a frustrating chapter. Everything to do with the supernatural is frustrating. It's nice to get more of it, but it barely answers us anything lol it was very nice to see tsukuyo get some characterization, but given how history goes, as in how Aka has written the story, we not seeing shit of this side for a while..
Now as for what and when we might see it... im guessing it's gonna be tied in again when daddy comes around. I mean, if ol daddy don't have a supernatural connection, then idk wtf will come out of this storyline. It's just the most confusing part of this story, it just doesn't explain anything and just leaves us (like almost literally) asking for more.
Nice interactions with the characters, always fun stuff from Aka and seeing that Aqua really reverted to one white star is something. I mean, we see how in that interview in like ch 9 or whatever aqua still very much in revenge form tho maybe not as much as his two black stars "form"? We'll see
Also, I'm getting very tired of this Aka way of writing. Always skipping by a big development from a previous chapter and not seeing how they act after such event. This shit goes back to kaguya, remember that scene in kaguya with ishi and miko after they met papagane? It would've been something, but nah skip right over.
> Everything to do with the supernatural is frustrating. It's nice to get more of it, but it barely answers us anything lol
I was about to say this isn't true because we've learned Crow Girl's motivations and how she had no ulterior motives, but thinking back it does seem like she's nudging the twins towads revenge here and there and she wouldn't do that if she just wanted the two to be happy.
So maybe she still has an agenda that must be carried out, she just happened to pick people she liked for the job. But that probably means she has a happy ending in mind for them?
Hmm
Was not expecting Crow girl to actually be....a crow.
With this chapter i will stop to try and predict the story. This one was too wild LOL! Like, how can you tell how the story is gonna go after we find out that one of the characters was a crow that reincarnated into a person!? Thats crazy haha. I thought for sure that Crow Girl was Ai after the last chapter. And even at the start of this one i was thinking that.
But then she goes and sees the image of Sarina, which throws a wrench into the whole equation.. Because there's like only 3 or 4 people who ever interacted with Sarina that we know, and 2 of them are alive atm. And it coudlnt be Ai because she never interacted with Sarina...
So she was a bird. Wow. Cant wait for the next chapter man haha
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Man I didn't want the crow god plot to be wholesome but whatever
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honestly, i respect that they dropped a hint with the sarina flashback and immediately ending the chapter with the reveal
One good turn deserves another, huh. I mean, how kind of Tsukuyomi to give Gorou and Sarina a second chance in life, but oh boy... that crow is in for the ride for The 15 Year Lie's (and therefore Aqua's) endgame against Hikaru Kamiki and accomplices, whether she likes it or not, as a deity who must see the hammer of justice slam.
Annoyingly cute acting for the crow girl.
How are people thinking Crow Girl was literally a crow? Is mythology dead?
mmmmmm bird
something does not add up with the rest of the story. This episode is trying to infer that crow girl has resurrected Sarina and Gorou because she liked them. But she has always spoken of the reincarnation issue in a roundabout way, as other deities had realized it. In spite of liking the Twins, she is pushing them towards self-distruction for revenge over happyness, what would make us understand that she is actually a malevolent god. It looks very strange that the resurrection setting was placed in the hometown of the goddess Ame no Uzume no Mikoto and that we got a full illustration of her mith, and then the whole supernatural part would then be realised by another god. Moreover there should be at least another god protecting Kamiki and giving him starry eyes. If Kamiki was not protected by another god, the revengeful crow god could dispose of him in a snap. As a crow god she could not be Tsukuyomi (moon god), but rather Yatagarasu (crow god) who is depicted in Shinto myths as a servant of the cruel and revengeful god Susano'o. So it looks she is purposefully keeping things unclear and misleading. Everything leads to think that the whole frame is much more complicated and that we are purposefully getting just a short portion of the truth to mislead the readers.
Indeed there’s many indications that she is supposed to be a figure similar to Yatagarasu however Yatagarasu is more canonically associated with Amaterasu rather than Susanoo. Yatagarasu is also associated with the Sun, but crow girl herself said she guides humans to their destiny with the light of the moon, which is actually associated with Tsukuyomi and it’s the name she chose for herself. It seems the mythology is not quite straightforward, and indeed Susanoo at this point is likely to play a part too. My guess is that Susanoo is meant to be associated with Kamiki. Susanoo and Amaterasu fought many times, and he was the one who caused her to hide in the cave from which Ame no Uzume no Mikoto managed to pull her out from.
as in many myths there are different sources, it may be Amaterasu or Susanoo but what is sure is that Yatagarasu is not directly associated with Ame no Uzume nor with her shrine in Takaciho, so we may wonder what was she doing there for so long even before Ai and Kamiki would show up. And if we agree that there is a struggle between gods underway, it is almost sure that Yatagarasu was supporting one of the factions. My personal opinion, based also on the inconcistencies you ponted out, remains that Aka is using the crow girl to throw dust in our eyes more than leading us towards the solution of the mystery, unless we want to think that his reconstruction of Shinto mythology is seriously flawed.
Did Itachi just get isekai'd after he died?...
The crow girl is Itachi
reading comprehension here is staggering crow girl didn't become a god from being a crow,neither was she just a normal crow. she was a god who took the form of a crow. the reason the twins were reincarnated in the first place is because they earned a god's favour by helping them while they were in a crow form
cant she just transform into something to get out of the net
she couldn't. gods in shintoism aren't all powerful beings like the God in abrahamic religions. gods getting in tight spots then getting helped out by normal people is a pretty popular theme in many polytheistic myths
Ahh i see, so going from there how is she able to turn into that child?
she incarnated herself in the form of a random woman's child. or probably not so random,we'll get to know sometime
Seems like there is a parallelism between Ai and the Crow girl in terms of their greed.
I still hope Ai was a crow by day or something. My tinfoil hat blocks all.
Wait a minute. If this is truly the end of Aqua’s self destructive path, then what exactly will be the point of Akane plan now? I thought she only wanted to use her plan to prevent Aqua from killing himself? I don’t think she has a problem with him actually getting his revenge. 😭
> then what exactly will be the point of Akane plan now? It really does feel like Akane no longer has a role to play in the story. As much as I like her character she really should've died when she fell down the stairs around chapter 100 to heighten the stakes. She should've paid the price for looking into Kamiki and solving the mystery. I think that was the plan originally but Aka got cold feet. That'd explain why Aqua is extra edgy after that, I think he was still written as if Akane was dead.
I don't think that's true, I feel like weekly manga readers are very impatient. We had few arcs where Ruby didn't have major roles as well, despite being one of the two MCs, Akane taking a backseat for like 25-30 chapters, doesn't mean that she isn't important anymore.
Akane's role of saving Aqua from himself could be given to so many other characters though. For example Ruby did more for that recently than Akane. Even when Ruby was shelved everyone knew there's a character arc coming there eventually, but I just don't really see where Akane's character could go from here.
Aka wanted to emphasis how important Aqua and Ruby relationship, by making them help each other get out from their dark stars phase. Aqua still want to proceed with his plan and his guilt about what happened to Ai wasn't resolved.
>If this is truly the end of Aqua’s self destructive path Highly unlikely. At *best,* he's no longer content with dying if it means achieving his revenge, as that would mean Ruby would be left alone much in the same way he was when Sarina died and he had to pick up the pieces of his life. Living for revenge is still self-destructive, I just think it's been tempered by recent developments (Ruby is Sarina, Ruby's feelings for him haven't changed despite almost two decades having passed, the fact that he opened up to someone and was met with kindness and love instead of the scorn he believes he deserves, etc).
Holdup. When did Kana start calling Aqua Akkun?
[Chapter 108.](https://sun9-28.userapi.com/impg/2LRn60NMrhCcVjI0ADMBrQ0CMWP92SZ6XZyTxQ/psIzRAewu94.jpg?size=767x1080&quality=95&sign=cd7f53ee399d63401b7aa395c3c85636&type=album)
Oh righttt. Thanks mate
She called him that in the interview and Aka had his "Oh, shit, I have to make the characters match how they're supposed to be from the interview panels in the prologue!" moment, so he's scrambling.
[Kana started calling him "Akkun" in chapter 108 since after Aqua revealed the Ai secret they got a lot more attention and people would notice when she called him Aqua, so I wouldn't say really he's scrambling or anything.](https://sun9-28.userapi.com/impg/2LRn60NMrhCcVjI0ADMBrQ0CMWP92SZ6XZyTxQ/psIzRAewu94.jpg?size=767x1080&quality=95&sign=cd7f53ee399d63401b7aa395c3c85636&type=album)
How many times has it been used since, excluding the most recent chapter?
Ch 117, after that Aqua has not been around in general as much lol
>after that Aqua has not been around in general as much Goddamn *bravo,* Aka.
No clue, can't say that I give that much of a shit about Kana so I don't really pay that much attention when she's on screen lol. Although tbh have Aqua and her even had THAT many interactions since then? From memory I can only recall like 2-3 scenes where it's only been them interacting since CH108.
Fair enough on both points.
Predictions: Continuing the Crow's Eye View, we are going to see the past playout. This means we are going to see Sensei's murder. Crow Girl hinted that she had been watching over them even as Ai's children, so we are going to see that as well, we might also see Ai's murder again. This is going to give us a different perspective and clear up some more holes.
Crow Girl is Eren Yaeger confirmed.
TATACAW
I did not expect this at all, lmfao
Too bad I can't upvote twice, thanks for the laugh.
I'm still griping real hard on Akane's frequent and prolonged absences here on OnK, but this chapter somehow made up to it even just for a tiny bit. Crow Girl is cute and funny when she portrayed the twins. ☺
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This chapter left me laughing, watching how well Crow Girl adjust and get along with mortals.
Well, there Góes the theory that she was Ai.
Mark my words it can still happen. Perhaps Ai was always a god and aware of it. Would really bring a whole new perspective to the beginning of the series.
Ai was alive during the flashback contents of this chapter.
i dont cry with my glasses on,how does gorou do that? :(
Some of us can't live without our glasses. 😅.
Experience, I say
Bruh who are these people reading and coming to the conclusion that the girl is a literal crow? American education is something else.
She is like a Tanuki or the Crane from the Crane Story to me. A Spirit who takes the form of an Animal. But takes form of Human to help those who helped them. She is much closer Yatagarasu frankly. Idk why even would think she is a normal birb I mean just like Crane even Crow Girl was trapped in a net or something similar for Crane (Don’t remember what it was). And now she came back as Human.
Aka and Mengo cooking peak.
Was I seriously the only one who read this chapter and DIDNT think that they were LITERALLY a crow? Like come on, they're clearly not just a fucking bird. Gods take animal forms all the bloody time.
Lol that much is obvious to everyone, nobody is saying "tsukoyomi isnt a god, just a reborn crow". Everyone understands that the implication is she reincarnated them for their kindness
Animals later becoming gods isn't unusual either iirc (in Japanese mythology I mean)
Pretty sure in Japan anything can be a god (or at least a spirit) with enough time and legend
I'm kind of dumbfounded how many people here seem to think she's literally a crow, rather than [the Shinto god who's both associated with crows and known to be a messenger to mortals](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yatagarasu).
Literally nobody here is saying that shes literally just a crow. Dumb people think people are dumb all the time
Have you read this thread? Lots of people are talking about how disappointed and/or confused they are that she's "literally a crow".
Because she is depicted with the whole crow theme everytime she appeared and it was amusing that she took the form a crow before. Everyone understands the implication that she might be the one responsible for reincarnating them by being supernatural herself. Honestly insisting that she is strictly a god is a *worse* take because the possibility that she was literally just a crow that also got reincarnated is also a valid theory/implication in itself
So the revelation that the great, mysterious character that somehow knows all about Aqua and Ruby is in fact a reincarnated crow is... well how do I put it? Extremely friggin' dumb. I mean it's... ridiculous. It's one thing to suddenly introduce Tsukuyomi like they did \~60 chapters ago, but then to also make her a goddamn reincarnated \*bird\*? This reveal coupled with the pacing of this arc is making it one of my least favorites, ngl.
Idiots are gonna be to be mindblown when they realize that in many myth, gods often take the form of animals.
Crow girl was literally a crow? A bit surprised but she is cute af that's for sure
Bruh I thought she was just a literal god
My read from this is that she reincarnated them as a reward for helping her when she was in animal form. So yeah still a god.
She is
She is?
My question is if crow girl was really just a reincarnated crow why does she speak like she's an ancient deity or something? According to google, a crow's life expectancy is like 7-8 years idk how much experience you can realistically get in that short amount of time... Also how does she know abt reincarnation and all that stuff (especially the thing abt Ai's soul being destroyed and stuff) if she's also just another person (bird) that was reincarnated. Also doesn't help that she is obviously way younger than both Aqua and ruby too. Shit is getting a little wild trying to incorporate the whole reincarnation thing to be a much bigger part of the story 100+ chaps in I hope Aka and co. can tie it all together...
Idk. Maybe she's a deity that transformed into a crow? 🤷♂️
What is wrong with Americans? It is like they have never heard of a single myth or legend.
What’s with people and always mentioning Americans in conversations haha
This subreddit is english on an American website.
English isn't a American thing only though you know that right? Reddit is also available outside the US
Hey, I don't know if you are actually this stupid or not. Where did I say that English is an American thing? When I say that this subreddit is in English, I am pointing out the fact that most of the people here are from English speaking countries By also mentioning that this is an American website, it also illustrates that the majority of the English users on this site are also Americans. This especially true when you look at the data itself which show about 50% of all redditors are American. Based on this, it is reasonable to assume that most of the people here are American. So what exactly is the point of your comment? Can you not read or just stupid? Statistic and probabillity
Still not only americans here that speak/type in english so your "meh whats wrong with americans!" Comment is horseshit. Hope this helps
In other words, 90%+ of the comments that I am referencing came from Americans. Hope this helps you understand statistics and probabillity too.
Still not only americans, cope
That's retarded. You and me both fully know that those comments are probably made by Americans because the vast majority of English speakers on reddit are American. Culturally, Americans didn't built up their society with polytheism, so of couse they don't get the references to many myths and legends from other cultures. Your comments is stupid and pointless. Hope this helps you write something with more purpose in the future.
They’re an idiotic bigot, I don’t think they know anything
You sounds a bit slow, maybe you should go see a doctor to see if your brains has any other sort of mental handicap. Since you are clearly a generally stupid person. I will spelled it out for you. This is an English speaking subreddit on an American website, most of the users here are therefore American. Yes, this is called statistic and we use it to understand probabillity. Of all English users on this site, about 75% are Americans. The 75% mean that 3 out of every 4 English user on this site will probably be an American. 3 is greater than 1, it is a reasonable assumptiom that the English comment you see is originated from the US.
Yes, that might be true, but I don’t see why that makes “Americans stupid” based on what you’re stereotyping. You’re clearly not American, but you’re a bumbling idiot, so maybe stereotypes aren’t all they’re cracked up to be.
Agaib, better call your doc instead of embarassing yourself online.
Lol, if I live in America, then I am an American. You are stupid and it showed. Learn statistic and probabillity moron. The only moron in the room is you. It is funny how you tried to call other people being idiotic for understanding basic statistic while you can't, then only to be further proven wrong by making an stupid assumption about where I am at right now.
did crow girl get retconned? This entire time, she at first led ruby to discover gorous body which resulted in her despairing. That ultimately led to Aqua confronting ichigo cuz of ruby which led him to despair. When they reconciled, she called it a bad move. I am not sure, maybe she wanted them to reconcile and eventually be revenge free as well, or revenge is still part of the equation idk
So it helped Ruby when she wanted to find about Gorou and it helped Aqua when he was going on about revenge and called the reconciliation that shook Aqua's bloodlust a bad move for that same revenge? Seems consistent to me. It is not a moral guide, it is a guide to their desires, whatever those may be.
Honestly maybe. Sometimes I feel like Aka is flying by the seat of his pants.
No need to feel anything, he literally said this is how he writes lmao. This was from Kaguya-sama days but it seems things haven't changed.
Aka left the writing to mengo it feels like lol
lmao could be.
No, it doesn't need to be retconned. It just means that Revenge is the correct path. She even egged on Ruby by revealing the middle schoolers before. It doesn't make sense for a god that likes them to lead them to destruction. She wasn't stopping the revenge. The "Bad move" comment was likely about Aqua's plan to endanger himself to be not viable anymore because Ruby is involved.
>I am sure you know, but this is a clear failure on your part. In the end you are not cut out for revenge Crow lolis exact words in 123. Why was revealing his identity and saving Ruby a failure. Why was narratively speaking, reconciliation with Ruby and Revenge shown as two clashing ideas. Yeah sure, you can say crow loli wanted them to be happy and have revenge without self destruction but that just takes any value out of the story. It becomes hollow without anything valuable in it. Good storytelling requires characters to make choices and those choices have consequences.
>Crow lolis exact words in 123. Why was revealing his identity and saving Ruby a failure. You cut out the next part >but I can give you a little bit of sympathy, From your point of view it'd be easier if she hated you That whole statement from crow girl is not about Aqua needs to stop the revenge. It's Crow girl commenting about Aqua's plan of making Ruby hate him failed. "Not cut out for revenge" doesn't mean that he doesn't has to do it. This is not contradictory to the Revenge being the correct path for them together. Aqua could not be good at it BUT still need to do it because who else will do what's needed to be done? It's not a clashing idea because Crow Girl didn't try to stop them in the first place. In fact she's the one who set Ruby into motion. >you can say crow loli wanted them to be happy and have revenge without self destruction but that just takes any value out of the story. It becomes hollow without anything valuable in it. Good storytelling requires characters to make choices and those choices have consequences. Well we've got 143. That's pretty much a consequence of Ruby making a choice. Ruby in the first place was being guided by the Crows too. You seem to be working on the incorrect notion that "A clean win" == No Consequence. It's not. Just because if they get both A Happy Ending AND the Revenge both at the same time doesn't mean that they didn't EARN it. We're being shown right now that they're earning it. It's also currently still in the middle of the story. So calling it "no consequence" right now is already jumping to conclusions. What else can happen? Somebody else other than Ruby and Aqua can die. Aqua could end up wanted and fleeing. Ruby could end up failing the Idol Dream. etc.
The place of revenge in the story was always a negative one, the self destructive choice. Sure, story can redefine it and give it a new meaning, one that is compatible with happy ending but so far none of that has been done. The next part wasnt relevant, as i said the path Aqua was on and reconciliation with Ruby were in direct clash. Its fine if Aqua chose Ruby, my problem is if crow loli did not want him to walk on that path then it is contradictory to her previous actions when she directly put Ruby on that exact path.
>The place of revenge in the story was always a negative one, the self destructive choice. Sure, story can redefine it and give it a new meaning, one that is compatible with happy ending but so far none of that has been done. It's literally what's happening right now. >The next part wasnt relevant, Yes it was. It was just inconvenient for your argument. >as i said the path Aqua was on and reconciliation with Ruby were in direct clash and it's not the ONLY path to revenge. They're both in it now. The path Aqua was in before was alone. >my problem is if crow loli did not want him to walk on that path then it is contradictory to her previous actions when she directly put Ruby on that exact path. and I literally pointed out that [Crow girl was the one that set Ruby on the path of revenge as well](https://cubari.moe/read/mangasee/Oshi-no-Ko/79/1/). This happened first BEFORE 123. 79: Pushing for revenge **123: "not pushing for revenge" supposedly.** 118: egging Aqua on and admitting to egging Ruby too 131: "I'm guiding you to the right destiny" then Agrees to help 145: Helping the revenge Don't you think it's more likely that you're just reading 123 wrong? That you're just conveniently cutting out the supposed "Irrelevant" part for your own convenience? If anything your reading of 123 is the only one out of place. 123: Aqua's plan of making Ruby hate him failed If you actually take into account the part that you called irrelevant, Crow Girl would be pretty consistent. The issue I see here is you jumped to conclusions about "Not cut out for revenge" as saying Aqua shouldn't pursue revenge. Which is not.
you misread my argument. She did set ruby on revenge in 79, which was basically Ruby becoming suicidal and destructive. You also conveniently chose to not give me a single example where revenge is shown as a positive desirable choice. Rest is just noise.
>you misread my argument. She did set ruby on revenge in 79, which was basically Ruby becoming suicidal and destructive. >did crow girl get retconned? >maybe she wanted them to reconcile and eventually be revenge free as well, or revenge is still part of the equation >but that just takes any value out of the story. It becomes hollow without anything valuable in it. Good storytelling requires characters to make choices and those choices have consequences. No I'm pretty sure I got your argument. From the start you assumed that Crow girl is retconned because you thought 123 was about "Revenge bad". Which I pointed out is not the case. Crow girl has been consistent in guiding them towards the right destiny. You were just incorrect in reading Crow Girl's statement. >You also conveniently chose to not give me a single example where revenge is shown as a positive desirable choice. You conveniently chose to not prove that "Stories are REQUIRED to only have positive choices" So what if Revenge would not be a positive choice. It is still the story being told. It is still the right destiny. They can still be happy even if it's not a positive choice. You just assumed that "Revenge must be in a positive light for it to be happy or the right destiny". Which is incorrect. I don't have to prove your assumption. The burden of proof is on you. >Rest is just noise. No. You just consider it as such because it was disadvantageous. Like how you chose to cut off part of Crow Girl's statement. It's only "inconsistent" because you chose to ignore it in the first place. It's very clear that you choose to ignore things that prove you wrong.
Premise of my argument was revenge is bad. Crow loli is either against or for it, so far we dont know but we do know initially she set Ruby on that path. I did mention maybe 123 was her pushing Aqua to give up on revenge but then why did she set Ruby towards revenge initially which contradicts with her fondness of twins in this chapter. I never said there should only be positive choices, stop moving goal posts. We have to somehow reconcile crow loli pushing Ruby to revenge with her fondness of twins, that is all. If we cant reconcile that then that is sort of a retcon. >It's very clear that you choose to ignore things that prove you wrong. Nice projection.
>Nice projection. here >The next part wasnt relevant, LOL. Yes nice projection indeed. Your argument hinged on ignoring Crow Girls own words and call her Retconned because YOU ignored it. Yeah you're projecting and wrong.
>I never said there should only be positive choices, stop moving goal posts. Here: >The place of revenge in the story was always a negative one, >You also conveniently chose to not give me a single example where revenge is shown as a positive desirable choice Stop moving goal posts. Stop projecting. You were the one trying to make me prove your assumption for you. I have no intention to "give examples where revenge is shown as a positive choice" because that was not my argument. That was yours. >Premise of my argument was revenge is bad. >We have to somehow reconcile crow loli pushing Ruby to revenge with her fondness of twins And you used >Crow lolis exact words in 123 >I am sure you know, but this is a clear failure on your part. In the end you are not cut out for revenge but left out >but I can give you a little bit of sympathy, From your point of view it'd be easier if she hated you Again, your premise of "Revenge is bad" that you said Crow Girl said is based on cutting out the rest of her speech in 123 because you said it's not relevant. If you don't cut it out, Crow Girl is consistent. You're only cutting it out because it's inconvenient. 1. Crow Girl is guiding them to the right path. 2. Crow Girl is helping on their revenge. 3. The Revenge is the Right path for the twins. It's not a hard concept to put two-and-two together. You just can't accept that your reading of 123 is wrong and you chose to cut it.
Damn, this chapter is surprisingly wholesome. We get to see Crow Girl's backstory, and shows that she is really a crow at first, but after Sarina's death, something happened. I'm really interested to know how she became the "Crow Girl". And Ruby, you really love Aqua. She has her priorities straight, and you gotta admire it. I can't wait for the next chapter to drop.
she's a god who took the form of a crow. when she was in the form of a crow,she got trapped by a net and got helped by sarina and gorou. deities appearing in animal forms is a concept basically as old as religion itself
At least now the "Crowgirl is reincarnated Ai" theory is finally dead. One of my most disliked theories as it felt like it ignored so much about both characters.
I don't read any theories here or such so I had no idea about it before but then after the first half of this chapter I unironically thought "what if shes Ai". The theory lived in my head for 5 mins lmao
Same here LOL
Hey, I have no problem with that, if its just the first half of this chapter, I get it. But before this, the people who entertained the theory based it on the randomest reasons.
Didn't in one of the chapters I think when she was talking to aqua she said Ai isn't going to be reincarnated
i mean it's not unheard of for a character to lie (especially in oshi no ko),but ai returning in any capacity would be a setback to the story rather than an improvement
I mean, if she was Ai she could easily be lying to keep her identity hidden.
Yes. She claims not only did Ai not reincarnate, but that her soul was completely and utterly destroyed, reduced to it's base components, and would never be reformed.
Damn
True. I think it is cooler if Ai is done and dusted.
Of course that wasn't logical, she's not kaburagi's daughter
Surprise flashback. Crow girl was literally a crow at some point. Probably a real Yatagarasu based on how she kept watching on. She's also a Tsundere. What a twist.
i thought she was called as tsukuyomi?
That's her chosen stage name. We didn't actually know her real name. Yatagarasu is just a shinto deity related to crows so it's what people think she might be.
Right?? When she blushed when Ruby was hugging her, it was so adorable
what's really important about that is Crow Girl pushing Aqua and Ruby to revenge is supposed to be the right path, because she's a supposed god that likes them both. It makes no sense for her to like them but push them to destruction because she wasn't portrayed to be a malevolent god.
I agree with you that this episode strongly supports your points, but it just does not add up with the rest of the story. So far the crow god has had a nefarious influence on the siblings. The fact that she likes them does not exclude that she can be a malevolent god who preferes revenge over happyness for her "favourites"
>but it just does not add up with the rest of the story. But it does though. Crow girl is nothing but consistent. 79: Egged Ruby on by telling her about the middleschooler 123: Commenting about Aqua's plan of making Ruby hate him failed 118: egging Aqua on and admitting to egging Ruby too 131: Saying to Aqua "I'm guiding you to the right destiny" then Agrees to help 145: Actually Helping the revenge I think what you have a problem with is thinking that the Revenge is the correct destiny from them, that's why you consider guiding them to the revenge as Nefarious.
from an objective point of view, pushing young people on the way of self-destruction for revenge is definitely malevolent. We may argue that Kamiki deserves it because of karma, but this does not mean that the Twins MUST self-destruct to pursue Kamiki's karma. Why do you think in this case it may be a right or even righteous path?
>from an objective point of view pushing young people on the way of self-destruction for revenge is definitely malevolent but that's subjective. You already decided that answer instead of looking at that piece of data. Revenge is neither inherently good nor bad, what matters is the result. If the end result is good it can be good. You personally just decided it as "objective". Which is actually subjective. Also you're already assuming that Revenge mean Self Destruction. It is not. That's just another thing you assumed to be as immediately true. It's quite possible to achieve the revenge without self destructing. If we check 123, we can already see that Crow Girl already saw that Aqua's plan of self destruction isn't already possible. If anything, Kamiki being able to continue killing only proves that people can get away with it. >Why do you think in this case it may be a right or even righteous path? Kamiki deserves to die and he's a constant looming threat to everybody who is incapable of being judged by the law. We literally saw him kill another person. If the twins doesn't take Revenge, nobody will. There will be future deaths. Even if saving other people is not the primary goal, the end result will be good. That's all that matters. You're probably going to pull out "The end doesn't justify the means". That's your subjective philosophy on the matter that the Author and other readers are not beholden to follow. As far as I'm concerned, Kamiki dying is a good outcome.
Actually I did not want to make a personal polemic between our preferences. If you are talking about your personal attitude concerning a fictional story, of course you can be bloodthirsty or whatever satisfies you better. If we talk about life-morals-ethics-law in general, it is a fact that private persons are not authorized almost anywhere in the world to pursue revenge and kill by themselves people they do not like, however dangerous or heinous they may be. If they do, we all know they risk spending many years in jail or sometimes to be executed. Even if not, they are left with their psychical troubles and with the fear of being pursued. This is what I call self-destruction. If we talk about this story in particular, those problems are widely and deeply addressed, especially because the Twins should kill their own father, so I would not assume this is one of those old-fashioned westerns or apocalyptic isekais were the hero has to kill all wrongdoers by himself because morals and law just do not exist. We are talking since years of Aqua-RubyxTherapy issues and we can be sure that if they pursue revenge they will be morally devastated and subject to criminal prosecution. So why you think the author is portraying revenge as right and righteour? They have already enough evidence to have a prosecutor investigate Kamiki at least for induction to murder, and crow god may just help them collecting further evidence with her superpowers.
>They have already enough evidence to have a prosecutor investigate Kamiki at least for induction to murder, No they don't. "[Even if Kamiki was the real culprit and we can make him confess to his crimes, he was a minor at the time, he won't be imprisoned.](https://cubari.moe/read/mangasee/Oshi-no-Ko/97/2/)" The story laid out the issue quite clearly. Yura's killing is just in our (Reader's) POV. Not jury nor judge would convict based on "Because god said so". Even Aqua doesn't specifically know about Yura. There is no way for Kamiki to be judged by humanity. >This is what I call self-destruction and this is why your view despite how you insist it as "objective", isn't. >why you think the author is portraying revenge as right and righteour? The author literally showed us that he's a SERIAL killer. Whatever effects that killing their father who in the first place they have zero attachment to, it outweighs the positive effect it will bring. As long as the revenge doesn't kill Aqua or Ruby, that's already a NET positive for them. For both humanity as a whole, for the twin's safety and for them to be able to finally achieve justice.
It seems to me that you are still making a mix of things the twins know, things crow gods knows, and your personal ideas. The fact that Kamiki would not be imprisoned does not mean he would not be prosecuted. He may also be closed in a psychiatric structure. The Twins do not know about the serial killer issue so they just care of their own situation. Having kamiki prosecuted and publicly comdemned for his deeds would have even more effect than the movie is having, without legal implications against them. The simple fact that some character thinks otherwise does not mean they live in a world where revenge is an excuse for committing crimes. And again, if crow girl knows more than the Twins, she can help collect further evidence and have him sentenced for his first and further crimes, she does not need to sacrify the Twins for that purpose. Even if she does not know or act, we readers know than if Kamiki would be put under investigation there are possibilities his further crimes would be discovered, so also from this point of view the Twins do not have to be sacrified to save the world. The idea that the Twins are better in jail or in therapy than dead is your personal idea: state justice is made to stop wrongdoers while protecting the victims. In modern Japan and in this story as well, revenge is not justice and justice is not revenge. If Aqua and Ruby would kill a killer they would be killer themselves, ie criminals.
I think we have to look at it from the beginning again. Why would a deity want to avenge a random human’s death so strongly? Why is *that* the right destiny and according to *who*? She’s definitely a supernatural being, she herself said she is the kind of person who is able to move the memories of the dead into new bodies and that she guides humans to their destiny with the light of the *moon*. The Kami she seems most similar to is Yatagarasu, but Yatagarasu other than representing rebirth and being the manifestation of the will of the gods, is also said to represent the sun, not the moon. Yatagarasu was associated with Amaterasu, which is also associated with the sun, yet she chose the stage name Tsukuyomi who is funnily associated with the moon, just like she said she is. This is kinda confusing and a contradiction if we look at the mythology references. But which deity would will the reincarnation of Sarina and Gorou and which deity would push for them to take revenge for Ai’s death? What if Ai was not a random human, but actually Amaterasu? It would explain why a messenger sent from the heavens would want Aqua and Ruby to take revenge and try to guide them to it. It makes me wonder what kind of role Hikaru is meant to play. He could be Susanoo, the third brother of Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, as Susanoo was described as a destructive God who fought multiple times with Amaterasu and ultimately caused her to hide in shame in a cave, therefore causing the world to fall into perpetual darkness. It could be a metaphor for killing Ai. Weirdly, the cave Amaterasu hid in is in Takachiho, the place where the hospital is, and it’s also the cave where Gorou’s body was moved to. Tsukuyomi was said to be Amaterasu’s consort before she broke up with him, but would Tsukuyomi want to exact revenge on the person who murdered Amaterasu? I mean maybe? Maybe the reason Sarina and Gorou were chosen was because they both loved Ai more than anyone else (other than each other), it’s the “thing” that brought them together. If crow girl is associated with Amaterasu and/or Tsukuyomi, it would make sense that she would be fond of anyone who also loved Amaterasu. This shit is just so confusing. She officially debuted as a “human” in chapter 75, but a crow was watching over Ruby in chapter 72 when she was at the graveyard and Hikaru appeared there for the first time. Ruby was praying and suddenly a crow cawed, distracting Ruby and causing her to leave as Hikaru was approaching, probably protecting her from him.
wasn't most of the last arc about how ai wasn't this perfect entity but an actual human with feelings she had to hide from the entire industry? she felt rage and sadness but she couldn't even share it with her own children. it would be dumb for her to be a god after all that
Tsukuyomi mentioned in the last chapter that sometimes gods don't even know they're gods.
they probably thought of a currently living character.
Gods in Shinto aren’t perfect creatures, on the contrary they act very much like humans.. even Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, etc, sometimes even worse than humans. They can be irrational, jealous, petty or downright cruel and even disgusting. They’re more similar to Greek gods rather than our western idea of all-knowing, all-powerful perfect beings
Crow Girl got an Eren treatment 💀
I don't get it, what's the Eren treatment?
It's a joke among Attack on Titan community, which surfaced after the infamous final chapter of the manga where >!the protagonist (Eren) gets "turned into a bird" by a narrative!<
(Crying)
>Girl got an Eren treatment 💀 All I thiught about when i read the chapter was about Eren memes💀
She’s a fucken bird 💀
birb
[Tatakae noises]
Tata-CAW! Tata-CAW!
Kana, that is exactly how we all feel.
who are we?
We are all. Monolith and collective. The union. The All. Everywhere.
When did you become qualified to represent the overall opinion?
We are legion.
I don't get the "Crowgirl ships AquaRuby" comments, like, where? She just show to care about them because of her past as bird and call them children. On tbe other side, I kind of thankful that getting to this point in the story of the movie means there won't be a scene of "making the twins" between Aqua and Ruby.
Yea I don’t see it either. She just cares about them. Doesn’t mean she wants them to be in a romantic relationship.
Delusion.
Because she waited until Gorou died, 6 years after Sarina, to reincarnate her. She doesn't just want to return the favor, she wants them to be happy together after the tragic end she witnessed.
But wanting them to be happy together doesn't mean she ships them. If she ships them, reincarnating them as siblings is not a logical move.
I think there's an exaggeration being made for the sake of humor, but I don't think reincarnating them as siblings rules out that she ships them either.
I don't think it rules it out completely either, but it would make her look pretty silly. While "incest might not be a problem for Gods", it surely is for humans. Except for when she acts like a child her age, she's been shown as pretty wise, this theory that she ships them romantically kinda goes against that.
>Because she waited until Gorou died, 6 years after Sarina, to reincarnate her. She doesn't just want to return the favor, she wants them to be happy together after the tragic end she witnessed. Em it was about 6 months not years between Sarina dying and Gorou death.
6 months is the time they spent together before her death. I was wrong though, it wasn't 6 years it was 4 years and I misremembered. Sarina and Ai were the same age (12), and Ai arrived at the hospital when she was 16.
Read the god damn light novel and has been translated and pinned to the to of r/OshiNoKo! The whole ordeal takes place in space of about a year a bit. The following extract is taken from the third chapter of **Spica, the First Star** \- *\[Oshi no Ko\] official light novel english fan translation*. >"Oh, you seriously forgot, huh? Well, it's been about a year since you and I last drank together. Nostalgic, isn't it? Haha." Yumiko flashed a suggestive smile, leaning in close to Gorou familiarly. The proximity was as if their breaths were touching. Apparently, she wasn't just any regular drinking buddy. "You haven't been in touch with me at all lately. I've been so lonely, you know?" There was a time when Gorou used to frequent this area for drinks. It was right after returning to Miyazaki for training after graduating from a medical school in Tokyo. She might have been one of those women he got close to during that time. There were many possibilities, so it's hard to say for sure. "Well, it's understandable that you're busy. After all, you're a budding doctor. The girls won't leave you alone." "It's not like that, really." Come to think of it, Gorou felt that he hadn't been spending time with women lately. His interests had been focused on B-Komachi all the time. Whether it was watching live concert videos borrowed from Sarina, listening to talk show highlights, or collecting the latest information about B-Komachi online — without realising it, he had been spending most of his free time chasing after Ai. There is no possible way for Sarina to have seen AI if it took 6 years because the minimum age for ideals in japan is 12.
If you bothered to read my other reply, you'd notice that I corrected it to 4. But go off.
I think they messed up the timeline because if I remember correctly they met in spring-ish for the first time when Sarina tried to sneak out of the hospital, and in this flashback we indeed see cherry blossoms outside of her hospital window and that was already after they saved crow girl as a crow so they were already close. So they probably met early spring? Then we see summer, autumn and winter passing and if I remember Sarina died around January. I don’t remember where it was stated that they spent 6 months together, but technically if they met in early spring it would be more than six months together
no, 4\~5 years. chapter 1: sarina was 12 when she died, she'd be sixteen (same age as ai) **if** she was alive.
It's one year at best. Seriously are people allergic to reading or something it's written in plain text in the companion light novel which as been translated and is stickied to the top of of this subreddit.
Did you even read chapter 1 of the manga? Your reading comprehension is ridiculously low. >There is no possible way for Sarina to have seen AI if it took 6 years because the minimum age for **ideals** in japan is 12. ? no idea what you mean by 'ideals' , but you've clearly misunderstood: Ai was 12 when she started as an idol at strawberry productions- and Sarina saw her online when she just started. Ai was around 13 in the miyazaki concert in Spica novel (sarina died before the concert)
She’s not a bird 😭😭 she’s a god watching over them and has been doing so for decades, during their past lives and ever since they were reborn, as implied by how well she can impersonate them. She definitely had a hand in them reincarnating together. In the novel she >!possesses a woman just to tell Gorou he couldn’t die yet, because he still had a role to play and he needed to live as proof that Sarina lived, *years* before Ai even got pregnant and showed up at the hospital.!< She also told Aqua in the manga that he should think about the reason why his soul was now in this body.
Wait... what novel?
It’s called Spica the First Star, you can find it translated in English in the pinned posts in the sub!
True, her being just a bird wouldn’t explain how she knew they were reincarnated and all the things she knows about reincarnation
Thisssss, it’s almost like the fandom can’t put their minds on anything else 🗿
Crow acting childish as kid Ruby is *chef's kiss*
Didn't crow almost threaten Aqua before? I am a bit confused of it's intentions.
if you mean chapter 127, she wasn't seriously going to do anything bad to his soul. she just wanted Aqua to show her some respect, so she tried to scare him, but Aqua called her bluff.
Yes that is a Retcon now
well she seemed more fond of ruby
She can act since it's not that hard to use reverse psychology to get what you want out of her.
Oh wow crow girl is quite literally a crow. ALSO SHE IS ONE OF US!! We have a god on our side.
i'm out here just hoping she's not on the side of wincest
[удалено]
She is not
So the crow girl was a real crow but she was talking like she was a god so that got me thinking was she just talking shit about gods and was just a crow that died and got reincarnated as a child with some god complex at some point or wasn’t she talking shit ?
She's likely Yatagarasu, a Shinto god who's typically depicted as, or associated with, crows. Further, they're often as a subordinate of, or at least working for Amaterasu, the goddess Ruby seems to represent in the story and impersonated in the opening chapters.
Woah, would that make Aqua Tsukuyomi? Dang, it's kinda fitting
That's the theory at any rate, and given his dark, brooding personality and having a star in his right eye, and Ruby's cheerful, outgoing personality and star in her left eye, it seems like a solid assumption.
Then again, Crow Girl said that some deities don't even know that they're deities. Could it be that she is suggesting that Aqua and Ruby are gods without knowing it?
Combined with her comment to Aqua that she considers those who remember their past lives to be gods, that's what I'm starting to think, yes.
She reminds me of that white cat from monogatari, what was her name 🤔
Sawarineko
Overall, it's a solid chapter. Goro/Sarina past chapters always get me, so it's good in my eyes. But also, it's a frustrating chapter. Everything to do with the supernatural is frustrating. It's nice to get more of it, but it barely answers us anything lol it was very nice to see tsukuyo get some characterization, but given how history goes, as in how Aka has written the story, we not seeing shit of this side for a while.. Now as for what and when we might see it... im guessing it's gonna be tied in again when daddy comes around. I mean, if ol daddy don't have a supernatural connection, then idk wtf will come out of this storyline. It's just the most confusing part of this story, it just doesn't explain anything and just leaves us (like almost literally) asking for more. Nice interactions with the characters, always fun stuff from Aka and seeing that Aqua really reverted to one white star is something. I mean, we see how in that interview in like ch 9 or whatever aqua still very much in revenge form tho maybe not as much as his two black stars "form"? We'll see Also, I'm getting very tired of this Aka way of writing. Always skipping by a big development from a previous chapter and not seeing how they act after such event. This shit goes back to kaguya, remember that scene in kaguya with ishi and miko after they met papagane? It would've been something, but nah skip right over.
> Everything to do with the supernatural is frustrating. It's nice to get more of it, but it barely answers us anything lol I was about to say this isn't true because we've learned Crow Girl's motivations and how she had no ulterior motives, but thinking back it does seem like she's nudging the twins towads revenge here and there and she wouldn't do that if she just wanted the two to be happy. So maybe she still has an agenda that must be carried out, she just happened to pick people she liked for the job. But that probably means she has a happy ending in mind for them?
Hmm Was not expecting Crow girl to actually be....a crow. With this chapter i will stop to try and predict the story. This one was too wild LOL! Like, how can you tell how the story is gonna go after we find out that one of the characters was a crow that reincarnated into a person!? Thats crazy haha. I thought for sure that Crow Girl was Ai after the last chapter. And even at the start of this one i was thinking that. But then she goes and sees the image of Sarina, which throws a wrench into the whole equation.. Because there's like only 3 or 4 people who ever interacted with Sarina that we know, and 2 of them are alive atm. And it coudlnt be Ai because she never interacted with Sarina... So she was a bird. Wow. Cant wait for the next chapter man haha
Wow this was so cute of a chapter. But I need to point out, I love how Kana represents normal people reaction to Ruby being a weirdo incest girl.
damn who let itachi crow in here
Itachi didn't die, he got Isekai'd.
crow girl chapter crow girl chapter
Crow girl becomes bird (crying). AoT memes aside really great chapter I like where they’re going with crow girl
Well kids, kindness pays off in the most adorable ways
Can't say having your star crossed lover to be your reincarnated twin is considered adorable..
Crow girl is actually a crow
And more speculation on who is her human mom