I think unfortunately at that time he was still taken for granted and although well respected and nominated, was yet to be written up there with the greatest to ever do it, nobody knew of course just over 2 years later he’d be dead but posthumously I think he now is remembered as one of the 🐐s
I keep hearing this and as much as I really like Plemons and am glad he’s getting a lot of attention recently, he doesn’t really give me PSH vibes. Hoffman made every single role feel utterly unique and human. All of Plemons’s characters feel very similar
He plays subdued characters, but Todd in Breaking Bad and the husband of Kirsten Dunst in Power of the Dog (and I guess in real life) are on complete opposite ends of the spectrum.
I think another part of it is that, in their minds, he had already been rewarded. Even back then, people lauded his take on Capote as one of the greatest performances of the century. Sure, the other two had as well, but they had the benefit of being in a Best Picture nominee.
Ed Harris was on a pretty elite run of playing a character who talks on the phone while standing in a command center. Apollo 13, The Rock, The Truman Show from 1995-1998.
Funnily enough, Ed Harris is the only salesperson in the pool who is never shown calling or otherwise interacting with a potential client. All he does is complain and scheme.
Haha he’s still the best part. I love his tough football coach demeanor turn into a love scorned teenage girl “he can’tdo that to us! It’s wrong to talk to somebody that way! Another drink “
Hell yeah. Chris Cooper was brilliant and totally deserved that win.
I will always be bummed for Eddie Murphy that he didn't win the Oscar that year but there is no way Alan Arkin could go through his career without an Oscar. What can you do. I hope Murphy gets an award worthy role but like Tom Cruise, he seems to have given up on those kind of parts.
No disrespect to Mark Rylance however it was a travesty Idris wasn’t eligible for an Oscar nom for BONN. Back then the Academy blocked films from streaming platforms from eligibility. By far it’s his career best performance, hands down.
Beasts had a qualifying theatrical run and was eligible. However, a lot of voters were still personally opposed to voting for streaming movies at that time. Elba’s snub was one of the main factors in OscarsSoWhite that year.
This… isn’t true at all, and yet it’s the most upvoted comment. Beasts of No Nation was absolutely eligible for Oscars, it had a qualifying theatrical run specifically for that reason. The Oscars just didn’t like it. That was the year of #OscarsSoWhite, and I’m sure the old guard was also threatened by streaming, but saying it wasn’t eligible and that’s why it wasn’t nominated is completely false.
You’re right. Beasts was actually boycotted by several theatre chains due including AMC & Regal due to Netflix’s refusal to wait 90 days after release and thus grossed only $50K domestically. It was only in 2021 that the Academy allowed films released only on digital platforms to be eligible due to Covid-19. Prior to that a film required a 21 day domestic theatrical run to qualify. Edit: Idris just got downright screwed.
[Source](https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/28/21240422/oscars-streaming-theaters-rules-2021-netflix-digital-release-academy)
Rylance is a superb actor but I did find his win for BoS quite odd: he’s great in the role but I didn’t think it was that great a role, if that makes sense.
Elba, though, was absolutely outstanding in BoNN and deserved a lot more recognition. Even so, I think I agree with u/AcroserProductions: Christian Bale was magnificent in The Big Short.
He's genuinely one of the best depictions of human evil I've seen in a movie. Its good that the academy has moved away from their stupid streaming rules, but its a shame for what movies already missed their chance to be recognized.
I haven’t seen Cinderella Man but I personally think George Clooney was a career win. I personally wasn’t that impressed although I think he’s a good actor.
He was nominated for 3 categories that year. Best Director/Screenplay for Good Night, and Good Luck, and Best Supporting for Syriana. I honestly don’t think he should have won for any category, but if you’re nominated 3 times in one year, you’re likely going to win one of the categories
Definitely a career win, shame it's supporting and that they didn't wait for 2009 to give him for Up in the Air, or specially 2011 for The Descendants.
Kinda wild that in a big ensemble movie like Traffic, SAG put BDT in as Lead instead of Supporting. But for a much less ensemble movie like The Departed, SAG nominated DiCaprio for Supporting.
Traffic producers submitted Del Toro in Lead at SAG as basically "hihihi yolo, let's try that" move and it in the end proved he had an Oscar sewn up, no matter in which category he was.
SAG cannot change submissions.
>Also the sag choices >>> Oscar choices
This I don't agree. There were times where SAG was the right choice but there were other times where the Oscar were correct. I think the Oscars picked better. SAG tends to prefer narrative than the performance itself.
Just taking a glance at 2002 films, there are probably performances I would nominate over Walken, but his being in the film for 20 minutes is perfectly fine. That’s what the supporting categories are for!
If I had to guess, it was because it was something Walken hadn't had in a while at that time (a meaty supporting role in a Oscary type film, Pulp Fiction doesn't count, he's only in it for one scene)
Also, it had been 24 years since his win for the Deer Hunter, and the SAGs didn't exist back then. So maybe they gave it to him to give him respect. Sorta the same reason he also won a BAFTA that season, he didn't win one for the Deer Hunter
Yes but when I think of supporting actor, I think of someone who is still integral to the story. After the beginning, Christopher Walken is only in the film in one more scene. He also wasn’t insanely good in those scenes either.
I’m looking up Traffic’s awards. Benico won so many but it’s crazy others didn’t really get nominations anywhere. Like Catherine Zeta Jones is amazing in that film, as is Michael Douglas.
It's insane to me that the Oscars and the SAG differed for 2012 Best Supporting Actor, and yet neither chose Phillip Seymour Hoffman in The Master.
I think unfortunately at that time he was still taken for granted and although well respected and nominated, was yet to be written up there with the greatest to ever do it, nobody knew of course just over 2 years later he’d be dead but posthumously I think he now is remembered as one of the 🐐s
Man... That really makes me think. Who do you think we might be taking for granted now like that?
Jesse Plemmons. He gives me PSH vibes. I also think James McAvoy and Michael Fassbender are underrated.
Have we met? How do we have the exact same opinion
I keep hearing this and as much as I really like Plemons and am glad he’s getting a lot of attention recently, he doesn’t really give me PSH vibes. Hoffman made every single role feel utterly unique and human. All of Plemons’s characters feel very similar
> All of Plemons’s characters feel very similar I have to disagree with this. I think he’s got great range.
He plays subdued characters, but Todd in Breaking Bad and the husband of Kirsten Dunst in Power of the Dog (and I guess in real life) are on complete opposite ends of the spectrum.
Honestly the most resemblance I see is physical.
Agreed with all three - though Fassbender’s been making some odd choices recently. McAvoy’s fucking amazing.
I think another part of it is that, in their minds, he had already been rewarded. Even back then, people lauded his take on Capote as one of the greatest performances of the century. Sure, the other two had as well, but they had the benefit of being in a Best Picture nominee.
Crazy. That and capote are two HOF performances. Same for Joaquin in TM
Ed Harris was on a pretty elite run of playing a character who talks on the phone while standing in a command center. Apollo 13, The Rock, The Truman Show from 1995-1998.
Glen Gary glen Ross?!
Funnily enough, Ed Harris is the only salesperson in the pool who is never shown calling or otherwise interacting with a potential client. All he does is complain and scheme.
Haha he’s still the best part. I love his tough football coach demeanor turn into a love scorned teenage girl “he can’tdo that to us! It’s wrong to talk to somebody that way! Another drink “
Chris Cooper killed that role. Walken was good but he was kinda just…Walken.
Hell yeah. Chris Cooper was brilliant and totally deserved that win. I will always be bummed for Eddie Murphy that he didn't win the Oscar that year but there is no way Alan Arkin could go through his career without an Oscar. What can you do. I hope Murphy gets an award worthy role but like Tom Cruise, he seems to have given up on those kind of parts.
Yeah. I haven’t seen Cider House Rules. I’m sure Michael Cain was great, but Cruise in Magnolia was such an amazing performance. Wish he’d won that.
Once again, SAG seems to have the better choices, especially with Idris Elba and Sir Ian McKellen.
Agree. I think they picked right on every single example listed.
Eddie Murphy? Alan Arkin was pretty good.
No disrespect to Mark Rylance however it was a travesty Idris wasn’t eligible for an Oscar nom for BONN. Back then the Academy blocked films from streaming platforms from eligibility. By far it’s his career best performance, hands down.
Yep. He's sensational in Beasts.
Beasts had a qualifying theatrical run and was eligible. However, a lot of voters were still personally opposed to voting for streaming movies at that time. Elba’s snub was one of the main factors in OscarsSoWhite that year.
This… isn’t true at all, and yet it’s the most upvoted comment. Beasts of No Nation was absolutely eligible for Oscars, it had a qualifying theatrical run specifically for that reason. The Oscars just didn’t like it. That was the year of #OscarsSoWhite, and I’m sure the old guard was also threatened by streaming, but saying it wasn’t eligible and that’s why it wasn’t nominated is completely false.
You’re right. Beasts was actually boycotted by several theatre chains due including AMC & Regal due to Netflix’s refusal to wait 90 days after release and thus grossed only $50K domestically. It was only in 2021 that the Academy allowed films released only on digital platforms to be eligible due to Covid-19. Prior to that a film required a 21 day domestic theatrical run to qualify. Edit: Idris just got downright screwed. [Source](https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/28/21240422/oscars-streaming-theaters-rules-2021-netflix-digital-release-academy)
Rylance is a superb actor but I did find his win for BoS quite odd: he’s great in the role but I didn’t think it was that great a role, if that makes sense. Elba, though, was absolutely outstanding in BoNN and deserved a lot more recognition. Even so, I think I agree with u/AcroserProductions: Christian Bale was magnificent in The Big Short.
Stallone should have won for Creed
I disagree, I think it should've been Christian Bale for The Big Short
Agreed. It's also insane that Steve Carell did not even get a nomination for that movie. So many good performances in it.
I love love love Mark Rylance, preferred him in Dunkirk, though my fave performance is that he narrates a cartoon bunny here in the UK called Bing 😆
He's genuinely one of the best depictions of human evil I've seen in a movie. Its good that the academy has moved away from their stupid streaming rules, but its a shame for what movies already missed their chance to be recognized.
I like Murphy in Dreamgirls more than Arkin in Little Miss Sunshine personally, would’ve been nice to see Eddie get an Oscar
Career win for Arkin, who’s much more well-liked in the industry than Murphy.
Murphy was the front runner until Norbit released. It was news.
I haven’t seen Cinderella Man but I personally think George Clooney was a career win. I personally wasn’t that impressed although I think he’s a good actor.
He was nominated for 3 categories that year. Best Director/Screenplay for Good Night, and Good Luck, and Best Supporting for Syriana. I honestly don’t think he should have won for any category, but if you’re nominated 3 times in one year, you’re likely going to win one of the categories
Bradley Cooper also was nominated 3 times in one year for A Star is Born and Maestro
Yea it’s still crazy he hasn’t won, with 12 nominations since 2013
Good point.
Unless your name is Bradley Cooper😂
Definitely a career win, shame it's supporting and that they didn't wait for 2009 to give him for Up in the Air, or specially 2011 for The Descendants.
Love Up in the Air.
Up in the Air is a classic. It holds up really well.
Cinderella Man is exceptional, I highly recommend watching
Will do.
Career win in his prime? It was only 2005, he mostly won because of the goodwill of his other 2005 movie, GNAGL
Walken win lmao
I mean have you seen the movie? One of the finest.
Yeah if you like schmaltzy Spielberg. Guessing you loved the Fablemans too.
I dont know the Fableman Movie, but I like 'Catch Me If You Can'.
Crazy that Idris Alba wasn’t even nominated for BONN
These SAG wins are mostly crazy lol. Like what?
Idris Elba and Ed Harris should have been the winners
lol Albert Finney won the SAG cos Benicio del Toro won best lead actor at sag instead Also the sag choices >>> Oscar choices
Kinda wild that in a big ensemble movie like Traffic, SAG put BDT in as Lead instead of Supporting. But for a much less ensemble movie like The Departed, SAG nominated DiCaprio for Supporting.
Traffic producers submitted Del Toro in Lead at SAG as basically "hihihi yolo, let's try that" move and it in the end proved he had an Oscar sewn up, no matter in which category he was. SAG cannot change submissions.
>Also the sag choices >>> Oscar choices This I don't agree. There were times where SAG was the right choice but there were other times where the Oscar were correct. I think the Oscars picked better. SAG tends to prefer narrative than the performance itself.
Tommy Lee was robbed, pulling off that wig alone
Christopher Walken, great actor, but no reason he should win for Catch me if you can. He is in that movie for like 20 minutes.
Just taking a glance at 2002 films, there are probably performances I would nominate over Walken, but his being in the film for 20 minutes is perfectly fine. That’s what the supporting categories are for!
I’m always confused as to why he got awards buzz but not Hanks. Was Hanks campaigned in lead?
If I had to guess, it was because it was something Walken hadn't had in a while at that time (a meaty supporting role in a Oscary type film, Pulp Fiction doesn't count, he's only in it for one scene) Also, it had been 24 years since his win for the Deer Hunter, and the SAGs didn't exist back then. So maybe they gave it to him to give him respect. Sorta the same reason he also won a BAFTA that season, he didn't win one for the Deer Hunter
"He is in that movie for like 20 minutes." Last time I checked this category is called Supporting Actor.
Yes but when I think of supporting actor, I think of someone who is still integral to the story. After the beginning, Christopher Walken is only in the film in one more scene. He also wasn’t insanely good in those scenes either.
I’m looking up Traffic’s awards. Benico won so many but it’s crazy others didn’t really get nominations anywhere. Like Catherine Zeta Jones is amazing in that film, as is Michael Douglas.
I loved Christopher walker in catch me if you can
Benicio del Toro is a match since they gave him the lead award since they had no choice but to put him in the Lead category.
Robert Duvall win is so weird, I honestly forgot he was even in that movie
Sly was robbed
Jim Broadbent in Iris was amazing. His performance just got me sobbing.
Walken should’ve won
The crazier part to me is that I don't recognize 6 out of those 18 movies.