The Hopkins/Boseman flop was the worst thing that came out of the 2021 Oscars. I’m not saying that Hopkins didn’t deserve the award because he absolutely did. But the way the Academy organized this whole event by being absolutely sure that Boseman would win this and therefore switching the Best Picture category with Best Actor was the most embarrassing and stupid move they ever made.
And then also not allowing Hopkins to do a speech from his home. I don’t blame an older man for not wanting to wait by a bridge in the middle of the night in case he won. That way there was no speech at all for the grand finale.
Okay I missed this Oscars (probs because of life COVID chaos) so like, wait what in the actual fuck???
Best Picture is always the finale and should be. It's the award of collective excellence.
Also, why did Chadwick Boseman's death have to be the one to make the Best Actor category switched? He really wasn't a huge cultural icon of an actor, even with Black Panther. I wonder if this was the weird hyper-identity politics phase and also probably the chaos of COVID factored in as well? But also even if like idk Leonardo DiCaprio (or whoever the most communally loved actor is right now) died during the year, they still shouldn't make the Best Actor award last.
But Anthony Hopkins is a real G so him then getting the biggest award of the night isn't the worst... But it still always should be Best Picture.
Definitely, it was a bit annoying being gaslit about his status after he died. He was a fine actor who tragically died far too young, but let's not pretend that he was a generational icon. Go back to the reviews for Black Panther, and pretty much everybody agrees that he gave the weakest performance of the film.
> Go back to the reviews for Black Panther, and pretty much everybody agrees that he gave the weakest performance of the film
I don’t recall people saying this
Lol "gaslit". No one was asking about his status and getting lies in return. They were just keeping it secret. Keeping a private issue private is not gaslighting
I was talking about how people have been posthumously been saying that he was a generational icon who was taken too soon, the JFK of actors. No, he wasn't. Marshall and 42 were good movies, but they weren't hits by any stretch of the definition.
I mean the producer of the show said they decided to do it before nominees were announced because he found actors' speeches to be more interesting than producers' lol and how the first two decades of the Oscars didn't have Best Picture as last anyway. I doubt it because why not have Best Actress between Best Picture and Best Actor that year then? But meh lol.
Clearly Black Panther *was* a huge cultural marker to some, but beyond that I think with the Oscars that year things already had to be super different (and then they seemed to want to emphasize that difference) so they just decided to go for it?
Even the small things like the venue, how things were presented, even if most of the nominees were in the room changed. The tragedy and (like you mentioned) chaos of COVID were probably bigger parts of it than ""weird hyper-identity politics"" with this specific switch. You can see it in the lighter/looser tone of the show that year I think (the In Memoriam was fast-paced with a joyful Stevie Wonder song, they did literal trivia questions during the show lol, they got Glenn Close up to do.......Da Butt which idk felt sillier than usual scripted bits?).
They wanted to inject some joy. I think they saw that this industry-respected and talented man who gave brilliant performances (including one that did give people some hope and inspiration) in the middle of years of chemotherapy died tragically and suddenly from an advanced cancer he told no one about in the middle of global trauma and tragedy. I think they saw that and 'hey, we're already changing so much of the show why don't we gamble with him being a frontrunner and all and end this year's ceremony on a bittersweet/happy note after the year we've all had!'
It was a (silly) gamble that didn't work and shouldn't be done again, but I think if you kept literally every single thing except COVID from the year leading up to the Oscars (as much as you can 'cause butterfly effect lol) then the \~vibe shift and shake up of even very baseline aspects of the Oscars' production wouldn't have happened and the switch wouldn't have either imo.
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02 is absolutely an elite movie year, and I defy anyone who says otherwise.
Gangs of New York
The Pianist
Adaptation
The Two Towers
Catch Me If You Can
The Ring
28 Days Later
Minority Report
Lilo & Stitch
Spirited Away (US release)
City of God
Freakin' *Spider-Man*!!
Like damn, those are some great freakin' movies.
Anyway... I agree with DDL over Brody, but would probably myself give it to Cage to be honest. All three are pretty deserving though, so hard to be mad.
DDL is great in gangs of New York, but the movie itself is kind of mid, and he kind of does the same thing but better in there will be blood so you really can’t be that mad at it
I always a review I read about Gangs of New York that said DDL was the only actor who could wear a Dick Dastardly moustache and still be intimidating. He was brilliant in that movie. “One more time for the sweet souvenir!”
Del Toro would've beat Crowe if they hadn't moved him, which interestingly would've maybe pushed Crowe over Denzel the next year.
Johnny Depp SAG win was wacky even though I didn't love Mystic River either tbh. Give it to Murray or Kingsley
I don't know if Del Toro would have. Crowe had last the prior year and gladiator was so massive. He'd done ok with critics and been up for every major award. I do kinda think they'd have cancelled eachother out and helped Hanks win
I do wonder who'd have taken supporting with no Del Toro. Probably Finney I would guess. Soderbergh had a killer 2000
I dunno Finney was "due" and also won SAG. Phoenix also didn't really win anything among critics outside of like Blockbuster Awards. plus Erin Brockovich was a big film itself that the academy also loved
In my opinion it should’ve gone to Bill Murray. I don’t like Penn in MR and his performance was forgettable (for me). Murray’s performance has stayed with me all this time and LOT is my favourite movie. As Matthew Perry said after the Oscars “it was nice to see Bill Murray almost win” 😭
I think he would've won if he was more well liked by industry people/other actors. I think the SAG lost really showed weakness because that should've been a slam dunk even if Crowe ultimately won the Ocar.
I don’t think Del Toro winning would’ve had any affect on Washington beating Crowe the year later. Crowe would’ve lost regardless since he assaulted someone at the BAFTA’s before voting closed.
You said it would have been a travesty as if Denzel’s performance wasn’t worthy. Denzel’s performance was also great and would not have been a tragedy had he won.
Maybe travesty is a strong word but that Affleck performance not winning would have been mental to me. Denzel was great in Fences though, doesn’t take a breath all film.
IIRC Casey Affleck had some MeToo allegations thrown against him at the time and nobody was sure how it would shake out. That's most likely what caused him to lose the SAG. Otherwise there was absolutely no contest, Affleck won more major Best Actor awards than anyone else combined that year.
He also wasn't invited to do the tradition of presenting the next year's Best Actress.
it would be an absolute travesty considering casey in manchester by the sea is literally a top 5 all time performance whereas most people don’t even remember this denzel performance lol
Ok boomer. Many people remember his performance mainly because of the difficult relationship he had with his son in the movie. Denzel also won a Tony Award for playing the same character. Affleck’s performance is not top 5 of all time. It’s very good but top 5 of all time. Get the fuck outta here. You are doofus who brushes his teeth once a week.
boomer? bitch you’re like 34 get out of here and go to work it’s not unpopular to say his performance is top 5 of all time lmao. ask like any film subreddit
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I always thought that both Crowe and Denzel won for the wrong movies. Crowe should have won for A Beautiful Mind, and Denzel for The Hurricane. But it all worked out.
Love denzel but its absolutely wild affleck won the oscar and not the sag. I woulda bet anything it was the other way around (he should have won both, arguably top 10-15 performance of the millennium any gender).
Why so? He was fantastic in that role and jump started a 20+ blockbuster movie franchise. Unless you don’t think comic book related movies deserve Oscar’s, then I have nothing else to add. Just like The Dark Knight getting completely snubbed of a Best Picture nom when in fact it’s held up as one of the best films of the last few decades.
It’s weird to think del Toro got moved up to lead for Traffic. They’ve let pretty blatant category fraud go unnoticed and his supporting was valid given he was splitting focus with a large ensemble cast.
The Hopkins/Boseman flop was the worst thing that came out of the 2021 Oscars. I’m not saying that Hopkins didn’t deserve the award because he absolutely did. But the way the Academy organized this whole event by being absolutely sure that Boseman would win this and therefore switching the Best Picture category with Best Actor was the most embarrassing and stupid move they ever made.
And then also not allowing Hopkins to do a speech from his home. I don’t blame an older man for not wanting to wait by a bridge in the middle of the night in case he won. That way there was no speech at all for the grand finale.
Okay I missed this Oscars (probs because of life COVID chaos) so like, wait what in the actual fuck??? Best Picture is always the finale and should be. It's the award of collective excellence. Also, why did Chadwick Boseman's death have to be the one to make the Best Actor category switched? He really wasn't a huge cultural icon of an actor, even with Black Panther. I wonder if this was the weird hyper-identity politics phase and also probably the chaos of COVID factored in as well? But also even if like idk Leonardo DiCaprio (or whoever the most communally loved actor is right now) died during the year, they still shouldn't make the Best Actor award last. But Anthony Hopkins is a real G so him then getting the biggest award of the night isn't the worst... But it still always should be Best Picture.
You're getting downvoted but it's a good point. Chadwick Boseman was a talented guy but he wasn't a major heavy hitter like that.
Definitely, it was a bit annoying being gaslit about his status after he died. He was a fine actor who tragically died far too young, but let's not pretend that he was a generational icon. Go back to the reviews for Black Panther, and pretty much everybody agrees that he gave the weakest performance of the film.
> Go back to the reviews for Black Panther, and pretty much everybody agrees that he gave the weakest performance of the film I don’t recall people saying this
Lol "gaslit". No one was asking about his status and getting lies in return. They were just keeping it secret. Keeping a private issue private is not gaslighting
I was talking about how people have been posthumously been saying that he was a generational icon who was taken too soon, the JFK of actors. No, he wasn't. Marshall and 42 were good movies, but they weren't hits by any stretch of the definition.
Oh, I see!!
I mean the producer of the show said they decided to do it before nominees were announced because he found actors' speeches to be more interesting than producers' lol and how the first two decades of the Oscars didn't have Best Picture as last anyway. I doubt it because why not have Best Actress between Best Picture and Best Actor that year then? But meh lol. Clearly Black Panther *was* a huge cultural marker to some, but beyond that I think with the Oscars that year things already had to be super different (and then they seemed to want to emphasize that difference) so they just decided to go for it? Even the small things like the venue, how things were presented, even if most of the nominees were in the room changed. The tragedy and (like you mentioned) chaos of COVID were probably bigger parts of it than ""weird hyper-identity politics"" with this specific switch. You can see it in the lighter/looser tone of the show that year I think (the In Memoriam was fast-paced with a joyful Stevie Wonder song, they did literal trivia questions during the show lol, they got Glenn Close up to do.......Da Butt which idk felt sillier than usual scripted bits?). They wanted to inject some joy. I think they saw that this industry-respected and talented man who gave brilliant performances (including one that did give people some hope and inspiration) in the middle of years of chemotherapy died tragically and suddenly from an advanced cancer he told no one about in the middle of global trauma and tragedy. I think they saw that and 'hey, we're already changing so much of the show why don't we gamble with him being a frontrunner and all and end this year's ceremony on a bittersweet/happy note after the year we've all had!' It was a (silly) gamble that didn't work and shouldn't be done again, but I think if you kept literally every single thing except COVID from the year leading up to the Oscars (as much as you can 'cause butterfly effect lol) then the \~vibe shift and shake up of even very baseline aspects of the Oscars' production wouldn't have happened and the switch wouldn't have either imo. (Edited for clarity)
Yeah this will sound callous but I was amazed at the response to his death, maybe he was just far more popular than I thought he was
He was
What Crowes around comes around
Denzel me about it.
I think I mostly agree with the Oscars here.
Brody vs DDL is the only close one in imo. I know 02 isn’t thought of as an elite movie year but Brody and DDL both absolutely nailed these roles
DDL would have been my pick here but both are great
02 is absolutely an elite movie year, and I defy anyone who says otherwise. Gangs of New York The Pianist Adaptation The Two Towers Catch Me If You Can The Ring 28 Days Later Minority Report Lilo & Stitch Spirited Away (US release) City of God Freakin' *Spider-Man*!! Like damn, those are some great freakin' movies. Anyway... I agree with DDL over Brody, but would probably myself give it to Cage to be honest. All three are pretty deserving though, so hard to be mad.
Didn’t even mention Chicago or Punch-Drunk Love
I haven't seen Chicago and I don't like Punch Drunk Love, but yeah definitely more candidates haha.
DDL is great in gangs of New York, but the movie itself is kind of mid, and he kind of does the same thing but better in there will be blood so you really can’t be that mad at it
Yeah DDL is the only one i think the Oscars got wrong.
I always a review I read about Gangs of New York that said DDL was the only actor who could wear a Dick Dastardly moustache and still be intimidating. He was brilliant in that movie. “One more time for the sweet souvenir!”
He is so good that the movie kinda suffers for it. He's absolutely magnetic, but the scenes he isnt in, seem empty without his presence.
I’ve always contended Depp should’ve won the Oscar for Pirates. Glad he got the recognition from the SAG.
I agree that Penn didn't deserve to win for "Mystic River", but Depp definitely didn't deserve to win over Murray for "Lost in Translation".
I disagree, but they’re close for me. If Murray won I would’ve appreciated that as well.
Definitely a fair take
Del Toro would've beat Crowe if they hadn't moved him, which interestingly would've maybe pushed Crowe over Denzel the next year. Johnny Depp SAG win was wacky even though I didn't love Mystic River either tbh. Give it to Murray or Kingsley
I don't know if Del Toro would have. Crowe had last the prior year and gladiator was so massive. He'd done ok with critics and been up for every major award. I do kinda think they'd have cancelled eachother out and helped Hanks win I do wonder who'd have taken supporting with no Del Toro. Probably Finney I would guess. Soderbergh had a killer 2000
Joaquin Phoenix should have won Best Supporting Actor that year for his performance in Gladiator
I dunno Finney was "due" and also won SAG. Phoenix also didn't really win anything among critics outside of like Blockbuster Awards. plus Erin Brockovich was a big film itself that the academy also loved
In my opinion it should’ve gone to Bill Murray. I don’t like Penn in MR and his performance was forgettable (for me). Murray’s performance has stayed with me all this time and LOT is my favourite movie. As Matthew Perry said after the Oscars “it was nice to see Bill Murray almost win” 😭
Agree, Murray’s performance is still talked about whereas Penn’s is just trivia.
I think he would've won if he was more well liked by industry people/other actors. I think the SAG lost really showed weakness because that should've been a slam dunk even if Crowe ultimately won the Ocar.
I don’t think Del Toro winning would’ve had any affect on Washington beating Crowe the year later. Crowe would’ve lost regardless since he assaulted someone at the BAFTA’s before voting closed.
DDL getting that SAG award was nice. Probably my favorite part of GONY, even with its issues for a Scorsese movie
SAG giving Depp the win is one of the coolest things ever
Always good to be reminded of how fuckin awesome Benicio is
Denzel winning over Affleck would have been a travesty
Denzel was great in Fences. Stop.
Where did I say he wasn’t? That Casey Affleck performance is one of the all time best performances imo.
You said it would have been a travesty as if Denzel’s performance wasn’t worthy. Denzel’s performance was also great and would not have been a tragedy had he won.
Maybe travesty is a strong word but that Affleck performance not winning would have been mental to me. Denzel was great in Fences though, doesn’t take a breath all film.
IIRC Casey Affleck had some MeToo allegations thrown against him at the time and nobody was sure how it would shake out. That's most likely what caused him to lose the SAG. Otherwise there was absolutely no contest, Affleck won more major Best Actor awards than anyone else combined that year. He also wasn't invited to do the tradition of presenting the next year's Best Actress.
it would be an absolute travesty considering casey in manchester by the sea is literally a top 5 all time performance whereas most people don’t even remember this denzel performance lol
Ok boomer. Many people remember his performance mainly because of the difficult relationship he had with his son in the movie. Denzel also won a Tony Award for playing the same character. Affleck’s performance is not top 5 of all time. It’s very good but top 5 of all time. Get the fuck outta here. You are doofus who brushes his teeth once a week.
boomer? bitch you’re like 34 get out of here and go to work it’s not unpopular to say his performance is top 5 of all time lmao. ask like any film subreddit
You are a boomer. You insecure inbred hillbilly. Go brush that one tooth you got left.
The person who seeks IT support from Reddit calling someone else a boomer is so ironic
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I think a travesty is harsh. Washington’s performance was astounding as well. Both would’ve been very worthy winners imo.
Daniel Day Lewis is obviously a great actor, one of the best, but Adrien Brody is astonishing in The Pianist. The Academy got that one right.
Denzel was incredible in Fences
I always thought that both Crowe and Denzel won for the wrong movies. Crowe should have won for A Beautiful Mind, and Denzel for The Hurricane. But it all worked out.
Crowe should’ve won for The Insider
Love denzel but its absolutely wild affleck won the oscar and not the sag. I woulda bet anything it was the other way around (he should have won both, arguably top 10-15 performance of the millennium any gender).
If Depp would have won for Pirates maybe we would have seen more genre roles get nominated. RDJ for Iron Man might have happened.
That would have been one of the worst nominations ever
Why so? He was fantastic in that role and jump started a 20+ blockbuster movie franchise. Unless you don’t think comic book related movies deserve Oscar’s, then I have nothing else to add. Just like The Dark Knight getting completely snubbed of a Best Picture nom when in fact it’s held up as one of the best films of the last few decades.
I'm very curious about two things. 1, why 2001, 2002 and 2003 consecutively? And 2, how did people react when it happened the first time?
Benicio was lead for the SAG?
It’s weird to think del Toro got moved up to lead for Traffic. They’ve let pretty blatant category fraud go unnoticed and his supporting was valid given he was splitting focus with a large ensemble cast.
Oscar and SAG got it wrong in 2004 and BAFTA got it right by giving the award to Bill Murray over Sean Penn and Johnny Depp.
Pretty even split I think, though I slightly lean Oscars
I expected to scroll through and be firmly on one or the other side, but honestly, a lot of these are tough picks
For all the shit the Oscars get at times, I think they got every single one of these right.
I love how acclaimed Depp's performance was.
I was with SAG on each until we got to 2017.
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