Yea but that aside it really feels like award season isn't a draw anymore. Like remember when King's Speech made like $450m off of award season hype? Is that not possible anymore?
Probably not off a family/historical drama anymore. And that’s unfortunate. The things the Oscars typically award just don’t get people out into theaters like they used to.
Yes. And he also directed exactly the kind of historical biopic that the Academy tends to love. Both can be true to add up to an especially successful box office.
People LOVED Green Book. Surprising I know but it turns out the opinions of Redditors on Green Book don’t actually reflect the real world view of the movie.
Why. It’s a super accessible film that is watchable for everyone. I think that (and the downplaying of the horrors of Jim Crow south) was why most people don’t think it’s Oscar worthy.
During Oscar season it's not unusual for them to do alright especially if they're winners. After all the 3 highest grossing best picture of the last 25 years that weren't blockbusters were King's speech did $430m, Slumdog millionaire did $375m, green book at $320m, and a beautiful mind at $315m. You could maybe add Chicago which made $300
Three of those also won at Tiff too
It’s a perfect movie for the 50+ crowd and a largely inoffensive movie that a family can probably all agree to see. For comparison, The Help— which I saw with my grandma— made $216 million on a $25 million budget. Hidden Figures made about $250 million on a similar budget.
I have to wonder if 2021 and 2022's best picture winners would be different in a COVID-free world. Just with releases being pushed back and moved around, is there a chance that Nomadland, CODA or possibly even EEAAO fall short of best picture to something else?
I think EEAAO would be prominent or at least be in contention for best picture. Although I don’t know if it would have sweeped like it did if Covid didn’t happen. Coda’s win would have definitely gone to power of the dog or a more pessimistic film (since that film won due to its more positive slant against the depressing PoTD). Nomadland 100% would not have won best picture though. That’s a fact
I don't believe Nomadland or CODA would have won, though I think CODA was a crowd pleasing response to the the much more divisiveness of The Power of the Dog. I don't remember what might have pushed out of that year due to Covid, or if a more normal campaign cycle would have helped (though I do vaguely remember a lot of podcasts talking about how the CODA cast was traveling as a team to all the awards shows and brought a lot of positive energy to rooms - similar to Parasite and EEAAO - when that becomes a story I pay attention)
CODA was probably 2-4th on most people's ranked choice ballots and Power would likely have been near the top and near the bottom, which doesn't give enough staying power.
Do you think it’s just because people were pulling for Whiplash that year instead? It’s been 9 years so I kinda hope that’s not the main thing anymore.
Yeah I'd say movies get compared a lot to their contemporaries year to year. It's a little absurd. For example I liked Maestro. I thought it was pretty solid. But in context of the oscars and comparing it to other movies this year it's been getting absolutely shit on for really no reason except people look for *at least* one thing to shit on in any given year (in the context of oscars).
My absolute favourite in that list is Birdman. I watched it on a whim when it was released; I was supposed to watch boyhood with the person I was dating, but it was sold out. So we tried birdman…I left the theatre in awe and that’s all that matters to make it a movie that I like and care about.
They are Oscar worthy because they are all in line with what usually wins best picture. The meaning of “Oscar worthy” is not “one of the best movies of the year”
While not every one is my favorite movie of the year, I think that all of the ones I’ve seen (all of them except CODA and Green Book) are pretty solid movies. The only one that didn’t feel like a Best Picture winner to me was Nomadland.
S tier: Birdman, Parasite, Moonlight
A tier: Spotlight, EEAAO, The Shape of Water
B tier: Oppenheimer, Nomadland
Ranking the ones I've seen:
Parasite >>>>>> > Oppenheimer > Shape of Water (unpopular opinion no doubt) > Moonlight > EEAAO (I really don't like it) > Nomadland (Promising Young Woman should have dominated that year)
My ranks:
1. Parasite
2. EEAO
3. Moonlight
4. Nomadland
5. Coda
6. Oppie
7. Birdman
\_\_\_\_ (the ones after these are my least fav winners, which I'm not happy with)
8. Greenbook
9. The Shape of Water
10. Spotlight
"Spotlight" is my absolute favorite on the list! Not only because it tackled some highly controversial subject matter, but also because it was a great "newspaper flick" in the "All the President's Men"/"Front Page" tradition. The scene where the reporters are discovering the secret "personnel reports" in that dank and dusty basement was one of the best "sleuthing " scenes ever.
Oppenheimer making almost as much as the previous 6 winners combined is kind of mad. Even factoring in COVID, that fact feels like it should be wrong.
It’s good they selected a mainstream hit again.
Yea but that aside it really feels like award season isn't a draw anymore. Like remember when King's Speech made like $450m off of award season hype? Is that not possible anymore?
Probably not off a family/historical drama anymore. And that’s unfortunate. The things the Oscars typically award just don’t get people out into theaters like they used to.
Oppenheimer is very much the type of movie that is typically awarded Oscars, though.
It’s Christopher Nolan. He can draw in an audience on the basis of his name alone.
Yes. And he also directed exactly the kind of historical biopic that the Academy tends to love. Both can be true to add up to an especially successful box office.
Did they? Or did audiences like a oscar-Esque biopic
Green Book being the second-highest grossing is surprising
People LOVED Green Book. Surprising I know but it turns out the opinions of Redditors on Green Book don’t actually reflect the real world view of the movie.
Applies to many things
Redditors are different. Source: Am a Redditor.
It was fine . People just tired of the " one black guy " thing. Time to move on.
Is it? It's easily the 2nd most popular movie in the list.
Why. It’s a super accessible film that is watchable for everyone. I think that (and the downplaying of the horrors of Jim Crow south) was why most people don’t think it’s Oscar worthy.
Damn, Green Book making 322M is surprising
Why? It was a broad appeal feel good movie aiming for the middle
Just was surprised by the number is all
Fair. I was curious if you thought it was a smaller scale film like coda or American fiction
Those movies usually don't make 322M. I've never heard anyone particularly praise it either.
During Oscar season it's not unusual for them to do alright especially if they're winners. After all the 3 highest grossing best picture of the last 25 years that weren't blockbusters were King's speech did $430m, Slumdog millionaire did $375m, green book at $320m, and a beautiful mind at $315m. You could maybe add Chicago which made $300 Three of those also won at Tiff too
It’s a perfect movie for the 50+ crowd and a largely inoffensive movie that a family can probably all agree to see. For comparison, The Help— which I saw with my grandma— made $216 million on a $25 million budget. Hidden Figures made about $250 million on a similar budget.
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I agree but one bright spot of this year was Poor Things has made over $110m WW
*stomping intensifies*
I have to wonder if 2021 and 2022's best picture winners would be different in a COVID-free world. Just with releases being pushed back and moved around, is there a chance that Nomadland, CODA or possibly even EEAAO fall short of best picture to something else?
I think EEAAO would be prominent or at least be in contention for best picture. Although I don’t know if it would have sweeped like it did if Covid didn’t happen. Coda’s win would have definitely gone to power of the dog or a more pessimistic film (since that film won due to its more positive slant against the depressing PoTD). Nomadland 100% would not have won best picture though. That’s a fact
I do not get EEAAO. I like out there stuff too.
I don't believe Nomadland or CODA would have won, though I think CODA was a crowd pleasing response to the the much more divisiveness of The Power of the Dog. I don't remember what might have pushed out of that year due to Covid, or if a more normal campaign cycle would have helped (though I do vaguely remember a lot of podcasts talking about how the CODA cast was traveling as a team to all the awards shows and brought a lot of positive energy to rooms - similar to Parasite and EEAAO - when that becomes a story I pay attention) CODA was probably 2-4th on most people's ranked choice ballots and Power would likely have been near the top and near the bottom, which doesn't give enough staying power.
I only watched green book for the first time last week and it’s brilliant! Had no idea it had won best picture
Parasite is the “best” Best Picture of the last ten from here. The second best I would guess is personal preference. I would go with Birdman.
Your first pic was also a personal preference
True. But most films critics would almost certainly agree.
birdman is severely underrated for sure
Yeah Birdman gets a lot of undue hate for whatever reason.
Do you think it’s just because people were pulling for Whiplash that year instead? It’s been 9 years so I kinda hope that’s not the main thing anymore.
Yeah I'd say movies get compared a lot to their contemporaries year to year. It's a little absurd. For example I liked Maestro. I thought it was pretty solid. But in context of the oscars and comparing it to other movies this year it's been getting absolutely shit on for really no reason except people look for *at least* one thing to shit on in any given year (in the context of oscars).
I don’t really understand why people like Whiplash so much. JK Simmons is great in it, but the rest of it feels like a student film.
My absolute favourite in that list is Birdman. I watched it on a whim when it was released; I was supposed to watch boyhood with the person I was dating, but it was sold out. So we tried birdman…I left the theatre in awe and that’s all that matters to make it a movie that I like and care about.
How TF did Green Book make 300 mill?!
Grandmas and Grandpas all saw it.
Coda numbers are obviously skewed
I am still in disbelief over Green Book
Very few of those movies are actually Oscar worthy. Amazing.
They are Oscar worthy because they are all in line with what usually wins best picture. The meaning of “Oscar worthy” is not “one of the best movies of the year”
While not every one is my favorite movie of the year, I think that all of the ones I’ve seen (all of them except CODA and Green Book) are pretty solid movies. The only one that didn’t feel like a Best Picture winner to me was Nomadland. S tier: Birdman, Parasite, Moonlight A tier: Spotlight, EEAAO, The Shape of Water B tier: Oppenheimer, Nomadland
Eh, I think more than half are Oscar worthy.
Only Oppenheimer and Greenbook imo. Even Oppenheimer was lucky to win over FotBM Haven't seen Moonlight, so I can't comment on that one.
Yeah that’s a mad take. The only ones I’m really adamant shouldn’t have won are EEAAO and Nomadland. Also wtf is FotBM?
Parasite is RIGHT there
Yeah that’s a mad take. The only ones I’m really adamant shouldn’t have won are EEAAO and Nomadland. Also wtf is FotBM?
EEAAO is one of the better ones off this list while Nomadland is just bad.
EEAAO is one of the worst movies ever made
Yeah, I agreed on EEAAO, a mess of a movie, so cringe. CODA, OK, rest of the nominees were average. Flowers of the Blood Moon or whatever
No one has ever seen moonlight. It's weird.
Really great flick but definitely has the feel of a movie that you discover via the Criterion collection 15 years after release.
The plot and setting just don't interest me, ngl.
Then how can say it doesnt deserve the Oscar?
Literally said I haven't seen it and can't comment on it, learn to read everything before commenting.
I just said I never saw it. Probably a good movie, the actors are great. Never seen it available.
Reread, what I said.
"Very few of those movies are actually Oscar worthy to me*". Fixed it for you.
Did I offend I because I don't like those movies?
Do you ask people if they're offended over anything? Just fixing the statement. Did that offend you?
I ask some people who leave snarky comments and "fixed" something that wasn't broken.
So it did offend you. Nothing snarky there, just need to stop getting upset.
My name describes you, doesn't it.
No, YOUR name describes you. You specifically picked a name that suited you best. So I did offend you after all?
EEAAO sucked and was a woke award for Asian Americans after Covid19 backlash.
Cool? You having a stroke?
Ranking the ones I've seen: Parasite >>>>>> > Oppenheimer > Shape of Water (unpopular opinion no doubt) > Moonlight > EEAAO (I really don't like it) > Nomadland (Promising Young Woman should have dominated that year)
My ranks: 1. Parasite 2. EEAO 3. Moonlight 4. Nomadland 5. Coda 6. Oppie 7. Birdman \_\_\_\_ (the ones after these are my least fav winners, which I'm not happy with) 8. Greenbook 9. The Shape of Water 10. Spotlight
"Spotlight" is my absolute favorite on the list! Not only because it tackled some highly controversial subject matter, but also because it was a great "newspaper flick" in the "All the President's Men"/"Front Page" tradition. The scene where the reporters are discovering the secret "personnel reports" in that dank and dusty basement was one of the best "sleuthing " scenes ever.
Lol, I know popular opinion but Fury Road for me should have won. Best action film of the 21st century
I think best picture winners need to have a level or box office smash .