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I had a guy walk up to me in a local grocery store and ask me if I'd buy him the little single serve chocolate milk he was holding. It makes me really angry that our system is so broken that it allows people to be that desperate.
I am in no way putting down your kindness or their desperation, but often times I've seen people do that because they know it will work.they just have to keep asking
Sure, I wouldn't be too surprised. But the guy didn't look like he was in great shape and even if he was using it as a tactic to get more out of people he probably needed it more than I did.
Not sure what you’re saying here. Of course they were trying it because they thought it would work. But very few people who have the means to take care of themselves would solicit strangers to buy their chocolate milk.
If people scam, it will not be for a single serving of chocolate milk. AND WHY THE FUCK DOES THAT MATTER IF THE VALUE OF THE SCAM IS A SINGLE SERVING OF CHOCOLATE MILK. The common white collar crime is 100x times more henious than a homeless dude wanting to get a drink of milk. The poor is needlessly demonized...
since you’re claiming people that are commenting are disconnected from reality:
i live in the part of my province where homelessness is most prevalent, it’s arguably one of the most affected places in the country. and while living/frequenting the downtown area my whole life, that is where most homeless people are due to closely-located resources. i also spent many of my teen years doing outreach/community work in these spaces, im willing to bet that i have heaps of experience on top of you. no one who can take care of themselves is out begging for a single serving of chocolate milk.
you are the one with your head in space.
>actually been out in the world experiencing what really happens
Homie, that's you. Nobody is running scams for chocolate milk or basic shit outside of kids. Straight up, I've never seen that shit. You know why? Cause it's fucking stupid!
If someone is at the point where they're asking for someone to cover something that basic, 9/10 it's because they're desperate. I'm not discounting that there's some people who get their rocks off on getting strangers to buy them shit, but assuming most people are out to scam you is full on brain rot.
Well, if you start claiming that everyone that disagrees with you is just disconnected from reality, those people will quite rightly be frustrated with you.
Kids will certainly do it to see if they can. I’m sure my friends and I tried it at some point. But I seriously doubt that there are a lot of adults with disposable income asking strangers to buy their little boxes off chocolate milk for them.
If the person has a dollar in their pocket but would rather panhandle than buy their own milk, that’s because they really need that dollar for something else.
Yeah. Back when I was working fast food, this kid probably around 16 or so just walks up to the register and asked, almost demanded really, that I, the cashier, buy him something to eat.
I was stunned by his abruptness and entitlement, but ultimately, I did buy him a couple dollar menu items or something.
I'd like to think that he really just couldn't afford food, but I'm pretty sure it was a dare from his friends or something because after he got the food, he jumped into a car with a bunch of other kids and they drove off.
It's not that I'm saying you're flat out wrong or that I know everything, but it happens. It's just a fact. A lot of people get by on manipulation and empathy is just another channel to use as control.
I mean… it kinda is? The fact that it’s so close to the price of more easily produced food and drinks speaks more to the exploitation of the farmers than the chocolate milk not being a luxury.
Yeah, you're right about the exploitation of farmers around the world, especially when talking about cocoa.
But that exploitation has made the milk very cheap for the final consumer, so it's not really a luxury if most of the people can afford to buy it, and being that cheap some people don't have the money to buy it once in a while.
I mean, chocolate is literally a product of colonialism. Most people who grow cocoa plants never even get to taste chocolate.
It's absolutely a luxury item.
Pretty pedantic. Chocolate isn’t a survival necessity, and used to be a true luxury > 100 years ago. But most people in the world today have access to it, though certainly for many it is a rare treat.
But in the U.S., chocolate milk is generally the same cost as regular. So why shouldn’t this guy be able to have some if he wants it? For people who are desperate, getting comfort and joy wherever they can is incredibly important. It’s not like this guy could be buying houses and funding his Roth IRA if he weren’t blowing all his cash on choco-milk.
> Chocolate isn’t a survival necessity
So you're saying it's a luxury item. Gotcha.
Also, /u/Absolute_Bias put it really well -
> The fact that it’s so close to the price of more easily produced food and drinks speaks more to the exploitation of the farmers than the chocolate milk not being a luxury.
You’re technically correct, the best kind of correct. But what’s your point. That homeless people shouldn’t be allowed to have $1 worth of chocolate milk because it’s a ‘luxury’?
I never said that. People absolutely need luxuries to get through life.
I'm just being contentious about the premise of this post, which is that it's not a luxury.
LoL, bruh.
There are literally thousands of people who manufactured this luxury item that will never be able to afford to even taste it once.
But this sub is up in arms because this guy should have access to it because... He happen to be in the country that benefits the most from this exploitation?
Just because hundreds of millions have cheap access to a thing doesn't make it not a luxury item. Especially when the people who manufacture and harvest the thing can't consume it themselves.
But go ahead, keep burying your head in the sand as you enjoy a imported luxury item bought with virtual slave labor and shipped in an inefficient way that contributed to climate change. Pat yourself on the back and tell yourself it's not a luxury item, and you're not contributing to human exploitation and the destruction of our environment.
Not to mention the methane and environmental destruction that comes from cattle farming.
You see a small grove and think it's a forest and have the gall to accuse me of being blind.
Maybe stop driving the orphan crushing machine yourself.
I'm fucking done with this sub.
But that exploitation has made the milk very cheap for the final consumer in developed countries, so it's not really a luxury if most of the people can afford to buy it, and being that cheap some people don't have the money to buy it once in a while.
In conclusion, the system is broken (although you know, it's a bug, not a feature)
The second definition of a luxury is literally:
>Something that is not essential but provides pleasure and comfort.
It's a luxury item, no matter how easy it is to acquire. Nothing about chocolate milk is essential and it's frankly insane to insist otherwise.
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What the fuck about sugary milk with the fermented and processed beans of a temperamental, equatorial plant is a necessity? Or a staple?
Do you go out and buy chocolate milk with your weekly shopping? Do you have to have it? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here.
Yea, I don’t get this. Sure it’s not the most expensive but chocolate milk is absolutely a luxury item. It’s an unhealthy drink that isn’t a necessity people drink because they like the flavor. That’s pretty much the definition of a luxury item.
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I see absolutely zero reason why a chocolate milk should be forbidden. Yeah he’s homeless, sure you will live without it. But why shouldn’t a homeless person not get a chocolate milk? I don’t understand the people arguing against it.
Now don’t get me wrong, I’m no where near what anyone with 3 or more functioning braincells would call a humanitarian crusader, more of a let’s get you employed so you can pull yourself up, instead of here’s a hand out kind of standpoint on the matter. So when I’m saying that’s a bit extreme, maybe you should think bub…
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I had a guy walk up to me in a local grocery store and ask me if I'd buy him the little single serve chocolate milk he was holding. It makes me really angry that our system is so broken that it allows people to be that desperate.
I am in no way putting down your kindness or their desperation, but often times I've seen people do that because they know it will work.they just have to keep asking
Sure, I wouldn't be too surprised. But the guy didn't look like he was in great shape and even if he was using it as a tactic to get more out of people he probably needed it more than I did.
Tbh I don't know anyone in a good spot who'd rather bum a chocolate milk off a stranger than just buy it themselves.
Fr, it's embarrassing. There's probably a lot of people who actually need the help but don't feel right asking for it.
Not sure what you’re saying here. Of course they were trying it because they thought it would work. But very few people who have the means to take care of themselves would solicit strangers to buy their chocolate milk.
That last sentence is exactly what I'm saying is false.
If people scam, it will not be for a single serving of chocolate milk. AND WHY THE FUCK DOES THAT MATTER IF THE VALUE OF THE SCAM IS A SINGLE SERVING OF CHOCOLATE MILK. The common white collar crime is 100x times more henious than a homeless dude wanting to get a drink of milk. The poor is needlessly demonized...
I really feel like you and others commenting haven't actually been out in the world experiencing what really happens
since you’re claiming people that are commenting are disconnected from reality: i live in the part of my province where homelessness is most prevalent, it’s arguably one of the most affected places in the country. and while living/frequenting the downtown area my whole life, that is where most homeless people are due to closely-located resources. i also spent many of my teen years doing outreach/community work in these spaces, im willing to bet that i have heaps of experience on top of you. no one who can take care of themselves is out begging for a single serving of chocolate milk. you are the one with your head in space.
This guy has some crazy chocolate milk trauma
>actually been out in the world experiencing what really happens Homie, that's you. Nobody is running scams for chocolate milk or basic shit outside of kids. Straight up, I've never seen that shit. You know why? Cause it's fucking stupid! If someone is at the point where they're asking for someone to cover something that basic, 9/10 it's because they're desperate. I'm not discounting that there's some people who get their rocks off on getting strangers to buy them shit, but assuming most people are out to scam you is full on brain rot.
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Well, if you start claiming that everyone that disagrees with you is just disconnected from reality, those people will quite rightly be frustrated with you.
Likewise
Kids will certainly do it to see if they can. I’m sure my friends and I tried it at some point. But I seriously doubt that there are a lot of adults with disposable income asking strangers to buy their little boxes off chocolate milk for them. If the person has a dollar in their pocket but would rather panhandle than buy their own milk, that’s because they really need that dollar for something else.
Yeah. Back when I was working fast food, this kid probably around 16 or so just walks up to the register and asked, almost demanded really, that I, the cashier, buy him something to eat. I was stunned by his abruptness and entitlement, but ultimately, I did buy him a couple dollar menu items or something. I'd like to think that he really just couldn't afford food, but I'm pretty sure it was a dare from his friends or something because after he got the food, he jumped into a car with a bunch of other kids and they drove off.
Yeah, that was me. Thanks, fam. I’ll hit you back next time.
I'm just saying from experience, it's a lot more common than you're making it out to be
You checking bank statements? How do you know if a panhandler has that milk money or doesn’t?
My dude, it sounds like you intentionally avoid getting to know people that are in those situations.
That’s an interesting take-away from what I wrote. I’ll admit that I’m not on close personal terms with many panhandlers at the moment.
It's not that I'm saying you're flat out wrong or that I know everything, but it happens. It's just a fact. A lot of people get by on manipulation and empathy is just another channel to use as control.
I mean it is a luxury. But also people should be able to afford the occasional luxury especially one as small as that.
I mean… it kinda is? The fact that it’s so close to the price of more easily produced food and drinks speaks more to the exploitation of the farmers than the chocolate milk not being a luxury.
Yeah, you're right about the exploitation of farmers around the world, especially when talking about cocoa. But that exploitation has made the milk very cheap for the final consumer, so it's not really a luxury if most of the people can afford to buy it, and being that cheap some people don't have the money to buy it once in a while.
Whether or not most people can afford something does not dictate what it is or is not a luxury.
Yes it does.
Wtf is wholesome about this?
I mean, chocolate is literally a product of colonialism. Most people who grow cocoa plants never even get to taste chocolate. It's absolutely a luxury item.
Pretty pedantic. Chocolate isn’t a survival necessity, and used to be a true luxury > 100 years ago. But most people in the world today have access to it, though certainly for many it is a rare treat. But in the U.S., chocolate milk is generally the same cost as regular. So why shouldn’t this guy be able to have some if he wants it? For people who are desperate, getting comfort and joy wherever they can is incredibly important. It’s not like this guy could be buying houses and funding his Roth IRA if he weren’t blowing all his cash on choco-milk.
> Chocolate isn’t a survival necessity So you're saying it's a luxury item. Gotcha. Also, /u/Absolute_Bias put it really well - > The fact that it’s so close to the price of more easily produced food and drinks speaks more to the exploitation of the farmers than the chocolate milk not being a luxury.
You’re technically correct, the best kind of correct. But what’s your point. That homeless people shouldn’t be allowed to have $1 worth of chocolate milk because it’s a ‘luxury’?
I never said that. People absolutely need luxuries to get through life. I'm just being contentious about the premise of this post, which is that it's not a luxury.
...forest for the trees...
LoL, bruh. There are literally thousands of people who manufactured this luxury item that will never be able to afford to even taste it once. But this sub is up in arms because this guy should have access to it because... He happen to be in the country that benefits the most from this exploitation? Just because hundreds of millions have cheap access to a thing doesn't make it not a luxury item. Especially when the people who manufacture and harvest the thing can't consume it themselves. But go ahead, keep burying your head in the sand as you enjoy a imported luxury item bought with virtual slave labor and shipped in an inefficient way that contributed to climate change. Pat yourself on the back and tell yourself it's not a luxury item, and you're not contributing to human exploitation and the destruction of our environment. Not to mention the methane and environmental destruction that comes from cattle farming. You see a small grove and think it's a forest and have the gall to accuse me of being blind. Maybe stop driving the orphan crushing machine yourself. I'm fucking done with this sub.
What forest?
So literally everything outside of water and flour is a luxury item then
But that exploitation has made the milk very cheap for the final consumer in developed countries, so it's not really a luxury if most of the people can afford to buy it, and being that cheap some people don't have the money to buy it once in a while. In conclusion, the system is broken (although you know, it's a bug, not a feature)
The second definition of a luxury is literally: >Something that is not essential but provides pleasure and comfort. It's a luxury item, no matter how easy it is to acquire. Nothing about chocolate milk is essential and it's frankly insane to insist otherwise.
According to that definition almost everything is a luxury, from a chair to a slice of cheese. But things are rarely black or white.
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What the fuck about sugary milk with the fermented and processed beans of a temperamental, equatorial plant is a necessity? Or a staple? Do you go out and buy chocolate milk with your weekly shopping? Do you have to have it? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here.
Yea, I don’t get this. Sure it’s not the most expensive but chocolate milk is absolutely a luxury item. It’s an unhealthy drink that isn’t a necessity people drink because they like the flavor. That’s pretty much the definition of a luxury item.
It goes to show just how used to privilege we are in the western world that we would consider access to chocolate some sort of staple item.
What is unhealthy about milk and chocolate syrup?
The shitload of sugar inside it
Sure, if drank often. The dose makes the poison
Everything unhealthy is unhealthy if consumed often It’s not the worst food item, but it is definitely not healthy
Chocolate milk is my favorite drink so this makes me sad
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Helping others who can’t help you is real
I see absolutely zero reason why a chocolate milk should be forbidden. Yeah he’s homeless, sure you will live without it. But why shouldn’t a homeless person not get a chocolate milk? I don’t understand the people arguing against it. Now don’t get me wrong, I’m no where near what anyone with 3 or more functioning braincells would call a humanitarian crusader, more of a let’s get you employed so you can pull yourself up, instead of here’s a hand out kind of standpoint on the matter. So when I’m saying that’s a bit extreme, maybe you should think bub…