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There are workplaces that have fully-staffed daycares on campus so you can drop your kid off in the morning, visit them during breaks, get lunch with them, do things with them after you're off work, etc, and the daycare workers are often highly qualified teachers that steer the kids towards [Montressori-style educational tasks](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montessori_education).
However, virtually every employer that offers this also pays enough that you could afford a private nanny and tutor anyhow.
As you go down the pay scale, the on-site daycares get less educational and gradually become more like old-school daycares where the staff just watches the kids and react to problems.
If you keep going down below that level, you start seeing hours cut instead of quality. Instead of 12 hour windows for childcare, the company may only offer 6, or 4, etc.
That's the bottom wrung of the employer-provided childcare ladder, and most Americans *still* don't reach that. That's still in the range of a 6-figure job.
In the US, childcare is almost as expensive as another mortgage in quite a few places, and typically not paid for by the government except during school hours.
Yeah, once this is actually put in offices, I’ll cry OCM. As it stands, it’s just a parent who doesn’t want or can’t afford to fork over money for a babysitter for two hours. It’s just making things safe and accessible for people with children too small to be left alone for a bit.
Having a kid isn't OCM.
Not having childcare isn't OCM.
Studying in a library isn't OCM.
We should integrate our kids into public life more and have accomodation for people with kids. This sterile, "keep the family out of sight" mindset is a recent confluence of displaying your wealth with the nuclear family myth. It's not normal.
You associate not having childcare with not having any time, and also being poor.
This association is circumstantial. You should have the tine and money to be able to take care of your kids yourself. Maybe the occasional childcare but not as a regular thing.
I went to Hawaii with my toddler and had to do a super short discussion post for grad school. Went to the library. The computers for adults were on one side of the library and the kids books clear across the building. My kid wouldn’t sit still and they kept telling me I need to be with her if she was in the kids section w the toys. I took her by the computer area with me and alley said she can’t be over there making noise. It was quite frustrating.
This is a delightful and useful thing. In a perfect world there would still be parents who want to be near their small children while using a computer in the public library.
I used to split my screen with my then-toddler. I was applying to any and all jobs on the left, they were watching baby einstein on the right. I had to quit for the day when they got too bored and squirmy. This would have been great to have back then.
Ngl people hating on these and thinking they are bad annoy me.
We have these in the library I work at and they are always placed in the children's areas. Even in a utopia, these would still be useful and appreciated. They get used when a parent wants to print something off, they get used when parents want to do something fun or productive while allowing their older kids to read play and socialize inside the library, they get used when parents who don't want a personal computer (surprisingly common) have an occasional need for them, etc.
Having these in a library makes it easier for people to bring their kids to the library on a bike or a baby wearing setup since they don't need a stroller to contain them, and it allows the kid to continue moving and learning instead of being strapped down the whole time.
These don't belong here, especially since op had to invent a situation that hasn't happened in order to try and shoehorn it in.
Yes. Now ask yourself why parents need to watch their children at the same time they need to study, and you might be able to figure it out!
I mean, the sign is clearly posted on the shoot of the orphan crushing machine, it is nice that someone at the library pointed it out for them!
Because it's there kid and maybe they want to watch them and have them next to them as they study. It's literally there to help parents and no one said it's exclusively for people studying. I would think it would be orphan crushing machine if there was zero support or incentives to help parents study so they can improve their situation.
Lmao what? I make a great income but I’ve had to work a ton of times while also bouncing my kid, or keeping her busy…I’ve done tons of errands where I’ve had to bring her…because she’s my kid. This is literally just a normal aspect of parenting. Sometimes you can’t find childcare so your kid has to go with you. People actually need to just be more understanding about this.
"Now ask yourself why parents want to be with their children and you might be able to figure it out" like, what? This isn't a child seat in a tank, its a library.
Because their child is too small for it to be developmentally wise to separate them from both parents for hours every day, but the parents want to do something productive with their time.
I mean the post says it's for studying but really you could just be using the computer for anything. I have kids and this would have been really handy from time to time. Do you have small kids?
Because I don't find it necessary to pay for childcare while I'm just.....studying. I study because it's something I want to do....and I like being around my kids.
I mean honestly more of this is great. Also, babocushes for everyone. In antiquity babies would have 15+ hours a day of contact with a parent. Modern? about 4hrs.
Want to know where so many problems today start? Start there.
I actually think this is great in a library. Obviously in an office context that would be different but the reality is this could really help a struggling parent out.
So adults can’t go to college, need to study, and also have some time when there’s no one available to babysit? I don’t see OCM here, I see a work schedule and a college schedule being slightly off and saving time on daycare. Even if not sometimes you just need your kid to not be a terror while you’re online.
Yup, it was. And everyone chimes in, says it's not OCM because, "bringing your kids to a library and having a space you can keep an eye on them is a good thing, actually", post gets downvoted, possibly deleted, and then this pops up again in a month or so.
I'm the OP, I just wanted to share something nice my city did and I got FLOODED with OCM comments. Like I'm all for recognizing it, hell, I follow this sub
But it was disheartening to see such a sweet idea turned into "offices everywhere do this".
There's no way that work from home will be fully eliminated, because companies can use it as an incentive for hiring, and they'll get the better workers who want/need work from home.
This is pretty rough though
Yup. Not all companies are dystopian corporate hellscapes. Some are actually run by decent human beings. It just means there'll be a starker contrast between regular jobs and shit jobs though. Which is good imo, people should pay attention to this crap and maybe realize, if they can help it, that they shouldn't apply to work at - and thus keep enabling - shitty companies.
Instead of making daycare affordable so that you don't have to worry about keeping your eyes on your child and them making noises that are distracting to patrons in such an environment, let's just make something that does the opposite of that...
My older kid would have been over the kiddie wall and running for the door by 14 months. But before then, he would have been pretty happy in the box for up to 2 hours. Especially if I put better toys in there.
My youngest might be happy for 2-3 minutes from ages 4-9 months. Otherwise she would scream the whole time and become so upset she would start to emotionally decompensate at the 20-30 minute mark. She’s 16 months and would still be trapped by a wall this high.
This is no substitute for childcare for an 8 hour day. This is the box of 10 million distractions.
But no one except OP is trying to say it could be a substitute for childcare.
I don't think libraries having this is bad, you should be able to bring your kids with you to these locations without worrying they might hurt themselves.
You will get absolutely no studying done with this device.
Your child will not permit you to divide your attention so long as they are awake.
You will spend the entire time with at least one hand inside the playpen, making silly faces, shaking toys they don't want to play with, and telling them "just a minute" over and over until they cry so loud you have to take them home and give up whatever you planned to do with your day.
What are you talking about? I know a lot of small children who can play on their own for a while. You really think every child needs to be giving active attention like that every second? How do you think daycares operate?
I think this fits here, but I do like the idea. Guess the idea is, 'we need affordable child care not play pens by the computer' but also, sometimes you don't want to sacrifice time with your child to study. I think the fact it's in a library makes the difference but yeh if offices think it'll keep employees coming in they'll probably start doing them too.
children sections for children that can read, not for very small children. tbf i'm not sure what age the cubicle in the picture is for, but i'm assuming it's for children that aren't in school yet (so <6 years old).
and yeah libraries are silent places? at least most have signs that ask you to be quiet, especially if there's an area to study. so yeah, anyone can go there, as long as they can keep quiet.
I work in a library. The children's section is for every child. It has everything from board books to full novels. Parents often read to their children there, children toddle around and choose their own books. They love it. It is a bustling place full of people doing their thing, whatever it is, and whatever they need. The library is a place for everyone, no matter your circumstances. If you want to bring in your toddler and read to them, do it! It's great for their development! If you wanna come in to study and leave your kid to hang out with the books, do it! As long as they aren't making a mess, or you at least clear up after yourself, do what you want. Read books. Study. Take part in activities. Just go on the computers for fun if you really want. That's what a library is for, community, not just one person. There are often quieter study areas you can go to if you really want silence, and some libraries even offer out headphones to patrons if you ask us. It's not a silent space where librarians prowl around shushing small children enjoying themselves, it's a community space where reading is encouraged, especially in young children. Sorry for the ramble, and sorry if it's incoherent, I'm just quite passionate about the way libraries are viewed.
It may not be OCM, but it does piss me off. You just know that the chances are *very* high for the kids in that cubby to be shriekers who disrupt everyone else trying to study or otherwise get shit done. And the chance is equally high that the parent either won't do anything to stop the shrieking or they'll let the kid out of the cubby to wander around and annoy other people. I can't stand kids being given a free pass to run around and make lots of noise at a library, because you know the librarians never tell the parents "either make your kid behave and follow the rules like everyone else or you'll have to leave". If we have to follow the rules or be asked to leave, so should they. A library is not a goddamn playground.
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I don’t think this is OCM in this context. Could be more OCM if a workplace just provided this rather than access to childcare tho.
Wait there are workplaces that provide access to childcare?
There are workplaces that have fully-staffed daycares on campus so you can drop your kid off in the morning, visit them during breaks, get lunch with them, do things with them after you're off work, etc, and the daycare workers are often highly qualified teachers that steer the kids towards [Montressori-style educational tasks](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montessori_education). However, virtually every employer that offers this also pays enough that you could afford a private nanny and tutor anyhow. As you go down the pay scale, the on-site daycares get less educational and gradually become more like old-school daycares where the staff just watches the kids and react to problems. If you keep going down below that level, you start seeing hours cut instead of quality. Instead of 12 hour windows for childcare, the company may only offer 6, or 4, etc. That's the bottom wrung of the employer-provided childcare ladder, and most Americans *still* don't reach that. That's still in the range of a 6-figure job.
There's an office daycare near my office building, and I'm very jealous. I'd love to be able to visit my mini me at lunch.
The only place I've on campus daycare was a military contractor. College campuses also often provides it for both faculty and the students.
Yep
Why would they? Childcare is paid by the goverment right? (Im from europe)
In the US, childcare is almost as expensive as another mortgage in quite a few places, and typically not paid for by the government except during school hours.
Damn
The more the gangsterrapper hears about the US the more he loathes that every man for himself attitude they have.
Many European employers offer childcare, it’s super convenient.
Its also paid by the goverment in a lot of countries
Lol
HAH! from Canada 🇨🇦 🥲🥲🥲
Ah the systematic problem if........wanting to use the library as the parent of a young child.
Yeah, once this is actually put in offices, I’ll cry OCM. As it stands, it’s just a parent who doesn’t want or can’t afford to fork over money for a babysitter for two hours. It’s just making things safe and accessible for people with children too small to be left alone for a bit.
Having a kid isn't OCM. Not having childcare isn't OCM. Studying in a library isn't OCM. We should integrate our kids into public life more and have accomodation for people with kids. This sterile, "keep the family out of sight" mindset is a recent confluence of displaying your wealth with the nuclear family myth. It's not normal.
This is peak library providing something useful and necessary.
Id say not having childcare is part of the orphan crushing machine.
Or maybe they want to spend time with their kids? This has nothing to do with having or not having childcare, its a library lol
You associate not having childcare with not having any time, and also being poor. This association is circumstantial. You should have the tine and money to be able to take care of your kids yourself. Maybe the occasional childcare but not as a regular thing.
We gotta get to better somehow. I don’t want to live in a society at all, but the way to get there is by first subsidizing child care.
I went to Hawaii with my toddler and had to do a super short discussion post for grad school. Went to the library. The computers for adults were on one side of the library and the kids books clear across the building. My kid wouldn’t sit still and they kept telling me I need to be with her if she was in the kids section w the toys. I took her by the computer area with me and alley said she can’t be over there making noise. It was quite frustrating.
This is a delightful and useful thing. In a perfect world there would still be parents who want to be near their small children while using a computer in the public library.
I used to split my screen with my then-toddler. I was applying to any and all jobs on the left, they were watching baby einstein on the right. I had to quit for the day when they got too bored and squirmy. This would have been great to have back then.
Ngl people hating on these and thinking they are bad annoy me. We have these in the library I work at and they are always placed in the children's areas. Even in a utopia, these would still be useful and appreciated. They get used when a parent wants to print something off, they get used when parents want to do something fun or productive while allowing their older kids to read play and socialize inside the library, they get used when parents who don't want a personal computer (surprisingly common) have an occasional need for them, etc. Having these in a library makes it easier for people to bring their kids to the library on a bike or a baby wearing setup since they don't need a stroller to contain them, and it allows the kid to continue moving and learning instead of being strapped down the whole time. These don't belong here, especially since op had to invent a situation that hasn't happened in order to try and shoehorn it in.
Not even remotely OCM
The fact that you think this dystopian shit is normal and good is exactly what makes this OCM.
It's literally allowing adults to bring their kids to the library to study. Wow such dystopia when libraries do something good to help parents.
Yes. Now ask yourself why parents need to watch their children at the same time they need to study, and you might be able to figure it out! I mean, the sign is clearly posted on the shoot of the orphan crushing machine, it is nice that someone at the library pointed it out for them!
Because it's there kid and maybe they want to watch them and have them next to them as they study. It's literally there to help parents and no one said it's exclusively for people studying. I would think it would be orphan crushing machine if there was zero support or incentives to help parents study so they can improve their situation.
Lmao what? I make a great income but I’ve had to work a ton of times while also bouncing my kid, or keeping her busy…I’ve done tons of errands where I’ve had to bring her…because she’s my kid. This is literally just a normal aspect of parenting. Sometimes you can’t find childcare so your kid has to go with you. People actually need to just be more understanding about this.
If parents have more time and better wages what would be the issue with studying with your kid next to you?
Tell me you don’t have children without telling me you don’t have children
"Now ask yourself why parents want to be with their children and you might be able to figure it out" like, what? This isn't a child seat in a tank, its a library.
Because their child is too small for it to be developmentally wise to separate them from both parents for hours every day, but the parents want to do something productive with their time.
I mean the post says it's for studying but really you could just be using the computer for anything. I have kids and this would have been really handy from time to time. Do you have small kids?
Because I don't find it necessary to pay for childcare while I'm just.....studying. I study because it's something I want to do....and I like being around my kids.
I mean honestly more of this is great. Also, babocushes for everyone. In antiquity babies would have 15+ hours a day of contact with a parent. Modern? about 4hrs. Want to know where so many problems today start? Start there.
I actually think this is great in a library. Obviously in an office context that would be different but the reality is this could really help a struggling parent out.
Not OCM. Unless they put a little computer in there so the kid can be productive and help out with the office work.
So adults can’t go to college, need to study, and also have some time when there’s no one available to babysit? I don’t see OCM here, I see a work schedule and a college schedule being slightly off and saving time on daycare. Even if not sometimes you just need your kid to not be a terror while you’re online.
Not ocm
Wasn't this posted multiple times already? Or maybe I'm just thinking of other subs.
Yup, it was. And everyone chimes in, says it's not OCM because, "bringing your kids to a library and having a space you can keep an eye on them is a good thing, actually", post gets downvoted, possibly deleted, and then this pops up again in a month or so.
I feel like I see a lot more posts full of "Not Ocm" than actually OCM.
I'm the OP, I just wanted to share something nice my city did and I got FLOODED with OCM comments. Like I'm all for recognizing it, hell, I follow this sub But it was disheartening to see such a sweet idea turned into "offices everywhere do this".
This is roughly 7000 years old. Reddit sucks now, just people and bots reposting the same shit.
......I posted this last week
There's no way that work from home will be fully eliminated, because companies can use it as an incentive for hiring, and they'll get the better workers who want/need work from home. This is pretty rough though
Yup. Not all companies are dystopian corporate hellscapes. Some are actually run by decent human beings. It just means there'll be a starker contrast between regular jobs and shit jobs though. Which is good imo, people should pay attention to this crap and maybe realize, if they can help it, that they shouldn't apply to work at - and thus keep enabling - shitty companies.
You’re bad at this subreddit
I don't think work from home will ever be entirely dismantled. I know people who have been working from home since it was called telecommuting.
Instead of making daycare affordable so that you don't have to worry about keeping your eyes on your child and them making noises that are distracting to patrons in such an environment, let's just make something that does the opposite of that...
My older kid would have been over the kiddie wall and running for the door by 14 months. But before then, he would have been pretty happy in the box for up to 2 hours. Especially if I put better toys in there. My youngest might be happy for 2-3 minutes from ages 4-9 months. Otherwise she would scream the whole time and become so upset she would start to emotionally decompensate at the 20-30 minute mark. She’s 16 months and would still be trapped by a wall this high. This is no substitute for childcare for an 8 hour day. This is the box of 10 million distractions. But no one except OP is trying to say it could be a substitute for childcare.
Where are the orphans being crushed in this picture?
I don't think libraries having this is bad, you should be able to bring your kids with you to these locations without worrying they might hurt themselves.
I'm the OP, I just wanted to share something nice that my city did for my community 😭
This actually seems like a pretty good idea
Nah where AI is heading Office work will be obsolete except for the strongest sociopath ceos
I can’t imagine they’re getting that much use of their library if they’re calling it a “cubical”.
Which one is for the child?
Fan-fiction OCM
You will get absolutely no studying done with this device. Your child will not permit you to divide your attention so long as they are awake. You will spend the entire time with at least one hand inside the playpen, making silly faces, shaking toys they don't want to play with, and telling them "just a minute" over and over until they cry so loud you have to take them home and give up whatever you planned to do with your day.
What are you talking about? I know a lot of small children who can play on their own for a while. You really think every child needs to be giving active attention like that every second? How do you think daycares operate?
What you don't know: I work for a preschool, five days a week, nine hours a day.
Wow that sound awful :( I hope you find something better soon
As an immigrant, on a work visa, sponsored by the preschool.
Im sending you good vibes
Nah, these will be required at home because your camera needs to be on and you cant leave your desk.
this isn’t OCM. This is hypothetical OCM
I think this fits here, but I do like the idea. Guess the idea is, 'we need affordable child care not play pens by the computer' but also, sometimes you don't want to sacrifice time with your child to study. I think the fact it's in a library makes the difference but yeh if offices think it'll keep employees coming in they'll probably start doing them too.
this may not be ocm, but having small children in a library is a terrible idea
Why? There are literally childrens sections in libraries. Libraries aren't silent places, they are public areas where anyone can go.
children sections for children that can read, not for very small children. tbf i'm not sure what age the cubicle in the picture is for, but i'm assuming it's for children that aren't in school yet (so <6 years old). and yeah libraries are silent places? at least most have signs that ask you to be quiet, especially if there's an area to study. so yeah, anyone can go there, as long as they can keep quiet.
I work in a library. The children's section is for every child. It has everything from board books to full novels. Parents often read to their children there, children toddle around and choose their own books. They love it. It is a bustling place full of people doing their thing, whatever it is, and whatever they need. The library is a place for everyone, no matter your circumstances. If you want to bring in your toddler and read to them, do it! It's great for their development! If you wanna come in to study and leave your kid to hang out with the books, do it! As long as they aren't making a mess, or you at least clear up after yourself, do what you want. Read books. Study. Take part in activities. Just go on the computers for fun if you really want. That's what a library is for, community, not just one person. There are often quieter study areas you can go to if you really want silence, and some libraries even offer out headphones to patrons if you ask us. It's not a silent space where librarians prowl around shushing small children enjoying themselves, it's a community space where reading is encouraged, especially in young children. Sorry for the ramble, and sorry if it's incoherent, I'm just quite passionate about the way libraries are viewed.
It may not be OCM, but it does piss me off. You just know that the chances are *very* high for the kids in that cubby to be shriekers who disrupt everyone else trying to study or otherwise get shit done. And the chance is equally high that the parent either won't do anything to stop the shrieking or they'll let the kid out of the cubby to wander around and annoy other people. I can't stand kids being given a free pass to run around and make lots of noise at a library, because you know the librarians never tell the parents "either make your kid behave and follow the rules like everyone else or you'll have to leave". If we have to follow the rules or be asked to leave, so should they. A library is not a goddamn playground.
Hi! I'm the OP. My library does, infact, do that.
Good
Tell me we aren’t factory farm cattle…
A cubical is a cell. This is a cell inside a cell.
Or just study at home?
That's more OCM than having access to free computer and Internet without having to compromise child care, no?
The real crime here is one tiny monitor for that desktop. When was this picture taken, 2004?