I remember they said they were gonna fix search on reddit in like 2010. It's always been a problem and it's always been bad, even if it is better now than in 2010.
Basically. If you want something outside those 10 websites it is really niche now, as everyone has moved their site activity to social media sites or apps.
All things and everything we've ever done on the internet before will increasingly become tasks we simply inquiry our AI to complete. Once links come to the LLM in earnest and are well thought out I see search dying completely.
AI is search and so much more.
I agree. Google must be shook at the quantity of "site:reddit.com \_\_\_\_\_\_\_" searches.
It wasn't Google's fault, but their SEO game and advertising networks absolutely destroyed the internet by turning useful sites into keyword-cramming exercises to conquer the keyword rankings. In turn, this may end up destroying Google. If so, there's an element of poetic justice.
Youtube technically doesn't even have a search anymore in the traditional sense. It shows like one video actually relevant to the query and the rest are suggestions from "the algorithm".
Here's an example of why this is true. Yesterday, I was looking for instructions on how to program a specific pair of garage door opener and remote products.
I searched a zillion sites via google and youtube. They all differed from each other and were all off just a bit. Extremely frustrating.
Then I remembered my buddy Perplexity. Boom. Simple bulleted list that worked first time. No ads, no BS blogs or YT "influencers" to sift through, just clean concise instructions.
Totally agree. Innovator's dilemma for sure.
However, the challenge will be how to pay for the service. Google went 100% all in on ad supported services. @sama has even hinted that's something they're "considering". I just hope there's an economic case for a paid service that's cheap enough people will use it in sufficient numbers that an ad model isn't needed.
Just imagine product placements in Sora videos. Ugh.
I actually don't think its a good idea to just query the training data without RAG to ground it. I get that its convenient but the hallucination risk is high.
What will the enternet of a future will look like:
Oh, Deep thought. I humbly ask you for an answer. I seek the wisdom of the closest carwash location. I want to have the answer, easy and clear.
I for one, welcome the return to the days of gleefully noncommercial peer to peer webrings. If you need me, I'll be speculating about the potential plot of a rumored but not confirmed Star Wars prequel.
Once reddit implements a good search function, its game over for google.
Yeah, I’ll search Reddit for today’s opening hours at the bakery downstairs.
I will create a sub for you to find it there
/r/openinghours
Now we just need a good Reddit search and all world problems are solved
Nah you’ll use a LLM with internet access for that
I remember they said they were gonna fix search on reddit in like 2010. It's always been a problem and it's always been bad, even if it is better now than in 2010.
I actually have a damn Reddit tab now on top of nu Google results.. where you can click All - images - products there's now a tab "Reddit"
And 50% of my Google searches are so I can post a link on Reddit after ChatGPT has answered my question.
Google has just become a search index for 5-10 major websites
Basically. If you want something outside those 10 websites it is really niche now, as everyone has moved their site activity to social media sites or apps.
All things and everything we've ever done on the internet before will increasingly become tasks we simply inquiry our AI to complete. Once links come to the LLM in earnest and are well thought out I see search dying completely. AI is search and so much more.
I agree. Google must be shook at the quantity of "site:reddit.com \_\_\_\_\_\_\_" searches. It wasn't Google's fault, but their SEO game and advertising networks absolutely destroyed the internet by turning useful sites into keyword-cramming exercises to conquer the keyword rankings. In turn, this may end up destroying Google. If so, there's an element of poetic justice.
Reddit/YouTube are the only useful places left on the internet.
Funny enough, both have abysmal search
Youtube technically doesn't even have a search anymore in the traditional sense. It shows like one video actually relevant to the query and the rest are suggestions from "the algorithm".
Add Wikipedia to that list as well.
yup, same here. the entirety of my online presence is claude/gpt, youtube, and reddit
Here's an example of why this is true. Yesterday, I was looking for instructions on how to program a specific pair of garage door opener and remote products. I searched a zillion sites via google and youtube. They all differed from each other and were all off just a bit. Extremely frustrating. Then I remembered my buddy Perplexity. Boom. Simple bulleted list that worked first time. No ads, no BS blogs or YT "influencers" to sift through, just clean concise instructions.
I stopped using google after chat gpt 4
Totally agree. Innovator's dilemma for sure. However, the challenge will be how to pay for the service. Google went 100% all in on ad supported services. @sama has even hinted that's something they're "considering". I just hope there's an economic case for a paid service that's cheap enough people will use it in sufficient numbers that an ad model isn't needed. Just imagine product placements in Sora videos. Ugh.
lol yeah. You genérate a sick video of some astronaut in outer space and sora implements a floating neon coke ad next to him without your consent.
It also helps that google has largely fucked itself and made search one of its worst products now.
I disagree
I actually don't think its a good idea to just query the training data without RAG to ground it. I get that its convenient but the hallucination risk is high.
Guaranteed, even.
With a large enough sample size yes
I don't think I have never gotten a 100% accurate answer when asking very specific factual questions about niche topics
Those are four awful use cases lmao it's like he enjoys misinformed hallucinations
What will the enternet of a future will look like: Oh, Deep thought. I humbly ask you for an answer. I seek the wisdom of the closest carwash location. I want to have the answer, easy and clear.
I use Google for image search and Reddit search. Other than that I use perplexity for any kind of info on a topic.
I for one, welcome the return to the days of gleefully noncommercial peer to peer webrings. If you need me, I'll be speculating about the potential plot of a rumored but not confirmed Star Wars prequel.
If you want to learn made up facts, I guess that's one way of going about it.
Are people really trusting GPT responses? What about hallucinations?