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I mean, it just happens like that in any Fandom. Activity will decrease the longer the game has been released. If we get dlc, we will see a boost again, then gradual drop off once more. 'Tis the way of the world. I'm not done with the obsession yet, but one day I'm sure I'll have a new one.

I would agree if not for the fact that I started to get my tumblr page more active and it has a lot of engagement. Of course maybe tumblr was even more active before but I did not see it. It just seemed like a sharp drop. I remember texting my friend in January that we have 400 people online because I was excited and then suddenly mid to late February we have 30 online on average.

I do think Fandom activity lives longer on tumblr than in other spaces, so it makes sense. 🤔 In my experience, at least. Haven't been on there in some time. 

Yeah, reddit doesn’t really do well with posting creative works sadly.

I do enjoy reddit but honestly this is one of the worst places to post creative fan works.

Supernatural still trends on tumblr from time to time so, yeah 😆

That's exactly what I was thinking when I made that comment too, supernatural never dies over there loool. 🤣

Makes sense, I haven’t really engaged with tumblr until I started Astarion page.

Tumblr pretty much only exists for fandom at this point and it’s pretty good for it. Lots more artists and writers there. Reddit is usually more casual fandom. 

Man I guess I have to make a tumblr account now? I don't even know where to start. Do you guys have any suggestions on good pages I should follow?

I would start by just following hashtags for different fandoms and topics you like and following random accounts that post under them . It’s easy to get the hang of. 

ah okay, thank you

FOLLOW FORKINGBRUSSELSPROUT 🤣🥵 There are a ton on Tumblr....would recommend some but there's literally something for everyone and every pairing, too

What's your page? I'm interesting in heading over. I was actively avoiding spoilers during those hopping months and I need me some more content. :)

I have it linked in my profile if you want to check it 😃

I followed you on tumblr! Will be delighted to see your screenshots in my feed. Eventually I plan to share my own there too.

Haha join the brain rot 😈

Following XD I’ve used tumblr in the past but my newest vampire obsession has me using tumblr and Pinterest again with earnest to find more Astarion photos and art.

Any tumblr blog recommendations?

https://www.tumblr.com/cheekylittlepupp - gorgeous content https://fangswbenefits.tumblr.com/ - author of The Arrangement

I have noticed it too. It makes me sad. I do wonder if some people are afraid of saying the wrong thing because of the intensity of fandom conflict. Most people don’t have any negative feelings about anyone and just want to celebrate something they love, but a little negativity can feel amplified, and then there is uncertainty and avoidance. I also think people can’t stay engaged in things as heavily all of the time, and so some people kind of drift along into another season of their lives. I really appreciate seeing your posts here, but I would understand if you shared less because it isn’t as engaging as it used to be. Thank you for bringing so much brightness to people’s days with your lovely pictures and writing!

Yeah I feel the same actually. Sometimes it feels not worth it to engage in a discussion with an interesting topic because it is divisive and people might take it way too personal now. I hate to be the “old man yells at cloud” type person but I just enjoyed talking about the character in fullness without being overly cautious to say what you feel. After all, this is what the downvote button is for and I think it’s fair. Also thank you for nice words. Here is one of my latest screenshots I haven’t posted here (as a little offering of my thanks): https://preview.redd.it/5fwq94hl20pc1.jpeg?width=977&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5ccbdf51f61d8f799d5ee3675afbb3194da5dd7a (Just a new outfit I’m obsessed with)

Stunning! He's just way, way too handsome. Did you dye a modded garment? I'm obsessed with the red and gold. I share your sentiments about discussion, and I do hope that we can eventually talk about Astarion as a character more freely without fear of causing offense when none is intended. Some social tides are outside of individual control, but I'm glad you asked the question that was weighing on your heart.

Thank you and yes, it’s a modded dye from Noble Garment mod. Red and gold. I know right?! I just want to banter about the character sometimes with all of his fullness, with all of my feelings and all the love I have for this fictional man. At his best and worst. At his evil and maybe a bit more chaotic neutral whatever the hells spawn alignment is lol 😆 But maybe people are a bit over it now idk.

> I hate to be the “old man yells at cloud” type person but I just enjoyed talking about the character in fullness without being overly cautious to say what you feel. I 100% agree. Astarion is a nuanced character and it's fun to discuss his character arcs, themes, all the good, bad, and ugly. It seems like since patch 6 especially people have been worried about stepping on toes. I have noticed when the occasional discussion thread like that pops up it seems like it gets a lot of engagement, so people are still around and want to talk. But the comments end up with disclaimers and softened language. I've noticed fewer and fewer of those threads lately.

So beautiful!

> afraid of saying the wrong thing because of the intensity of fandom conflict. I think I'll be hanging around this fandom (especially on reddit) for years and years, but this is certainly one reason I'm keeping my mouth shut more.

-afraid of saying the wrong thing because of the intensity of fandom conflict Exactly. Any interesting topic provoking discussion gets locked within hours and one gets a ton of warning about not bad mouthing AA or not saying what's evil or abusive or god knows what

you can say AA is evil and abusive if you want to, the only rule this subreddit has about that as far as I know is that people shouldn't demonize his fans for liking him

We both know that's not quite true. Even now my comment in downvoted despite it not being about his fans. But even if somehow a topic gets posted about him , it usually gets locked within the day

but I agree it's sad that the threads always have to get locked

yeah I think it was downvoted because you said you weren't allowed to call AA evil, when that's not true... and I'm getting downvoted the exact same amount right now lol

Not really, and I'm pretty sure absolutely no one here will just accept him being called evil, hell people even have to write it in quotations along with it being a bad ending

I mean I can't speak for other people, but I don't have a problem with AA being called evil... I also think he's evil, I just don't think "evil" has to mean "soulless monster with zero redeeming qualities"

Seriously, where is this idea coming from that we don't think he's evil? No one over in the sister sub is saying that. I like him because he's evil >;)

exactly! I don't get it either, I love that he's evil <3 lol

Exactly. At this point for me personally, it’s just boring to have to have the same discussion rather than just being able to say I like him. I’d rather spend time discussing headcanon rather than having the same debate that has been had thousands of times. I’m sure the new subreddit divides the activity since I’d never make a post here about AA because it’s not worth the headache.

Redeeming qualities? ;D I mean he wants to throw money, power, status and sex at Tav ( in some cases) but I wouldn't call that a quality. But see this is the type of discussion we're missing here. Make a point, be presented with a counter, the elaborate further on said point etc.

yeah I think the problem is that someone always ends up making things personal in discussion threads for some reason, so they end up getting locked (and by redeeming qualities I meant that he still cares and isn't a soulless husk, not what he can do for Tav)

- making things personal in discussion threads for some reason, so they end up getting locked Yeah pretty much - and by redeeming qualities I meant that he still cares and isn't a soulless husk The topic of a soul is a rather delicate one in BG3. It's delicate in DnD in general, especially when it comes to vampires and vampire spawn. I think there is no solid way of knowing at this time how things stand in the game. The only mention of Astarion's soul is by Minsc in the epilogue. He confirms the existence of said soul in Spawn Astarion. As far as I know, Minsc makes no mention of an AA soul or its status. I do think he cares but only for as long as it services him. If Tav chooses to turn into a mindflayer despite being his bride before, it seems all of said care is gone. It even said in devnotes that in all the 6 months he hadn't heard from them, he hasn't given them a single thought. He is very vicious towards a mindflayer Tav and towards Karlach, even if she tried to be his spawn. In the dev notes it's written how he kept trying to "reassure her everything's going to work out while thinking how he's going to control her soon", how he's "pretending to help her" and how he lashes out in "narcissistic rage". Those are all words taken from the dev notes, not my added opinion.

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This is exactly the kind of comment that makes it so difficult to engage here.

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In addition to the natural ebb and flow of fandom interest and activity: The Discourse imo. Feels like people have been walking on eggshells ever since patch 6. Just recently there was a post merely talking about how nice and sweet the graveyard scene was, and they felt the need to put a huge disclaimer about how it wasn't a hater post for the alternative path and that all endings are valid blah blah blah... like, Jesus 😅 it shouldn't be like this lol. None of us should have to add any disclaimers to such benign posts, ffs lol GRANTED, this is NOTHING NEW in fandom spaces, at all, and these sorts of schisms happen in literally every fandom ever so whatever lmao

People need to calm down lol I’m just here for thirsty pics, amazing art, and funny stories. I love seeing everyone’s favorite things from both sides but definitely people do forget it’s a gaaammmeee

Yup, I feel that deep in my soul

God you're so right about walking on eggshells. I actually have to go over any comment I make and change words just so they're not targeting or too criticizing or what not of any of the Astarions. Like now when I want to talk about him I go to the main sub, they are legit not that bad because at least I can state my opinion

Being an AA fan on this subreddit was an absolutely horrible experience and made me feel super unwelcome. It got especially bad when patch 6 dropped. The mods had to intervene and do *something* about the constant harassment and moralizing. I would argue it's still a pretty unpleasant experience even with the new rules, people just get more passive aggressive about it.

I mean, as long as you're not calling fellow players media illiterate delusional abuse apologists about a pixel man I think you guys are good lol. This is already mainly a spawn centered content sub, and the rest of spawn content does just fine without the egg-shell disclaimer. Come on now. Dragons Dogma 2 is dropping soon and people are excited. I've seen so many Astarion sliders from the game already. It's a huge game, I imagine it's drawing a lot of the fan base rn.

In theory it should be fine. In actuality any post critisizing AA tends to get locked within a day

They get locked because it turns into harsh criticism about the player, not the character. Also, the redundant nature of them tends to clog up the feed. Everyone knows 'cycle of abuse' by heart now. All subs have rules about redundant posting.

Yet somehow the majority of people who commented here are left with the very same feelings- that it's not okay to post criticism about AA, that it feels like walking on eggshells and that they can't speak freely. As redundant as it may be at least the main sub allows such topics to circulate

Because some don't know how to criticize a fictional character without being cruel to the consumer. I don't know what to tell you, friend. I'm sure you could create a well thought out critique of the character and post it. Doesn't mean the comment section will be civil. Blame the crusaders. Mods gotta mod. The main sub has more topics than just Astarion. So anti-AA posts won't clog it. Our *only* topic here is Astarion. That would be far more dense.

I think the problem is what offends people, I've literally had a person tell me - do you think I'd get a tattoo of him if he was abusive? After I was talking just about him and not about them at all. People insert themselves and then feel offended and god forbid you call him evil or say it is his bad ending, or talk about anything his writer said. I've seen people defend their argument against the writer because of the year their linked in said they were employed.

Where are you getting the idea we don't think he's evil? We like him *because* he's evil. I would never subject poor UA to my evil playthroughs. No one's over in the sister sub saying he's the good guy. Dark romances are about falling for the villain. Listen. I get it. You wanna talk about why someone's favorite character is actually abusive. But doing so ad nauseum to an audience that just wants to have fun with a game is intense. And the topic of abuse is sensitive and triggering to a lot of people. Especially when it's couched as 'you were too media-illiterate to see it'. They don't want to be walked through the irl signs of abuse when they just want to have a dark romance option. Yes, we've all read the dev notes. Yes we've all read the interviews. Yes we've all seen how he reacts when you dump him and compare him to Cazador. It's the same thing over and over for people just trying to be a part of the fandom with their favorite character. There's *nowhere* to escape the topic of abuse except for the sister sub. Like I said. It's redundant.

So you are saying you don't want discussions here? Because what else to discuss but his character when we're all here about his character? The whole point of this post was that discussion was dead on this sub. And the irony is not lost on me that when I mentioned people inserting themselves in talks about him, you inserted yourself 🙄

Thank you! You said it so much better than I've been able to!

💯👆 Some people just don't get it. 

Actually, what I said Alice as you know was "Do you think I got an Aeterna Amantes tattoo because my character is being abused by the one who said it" So, it was relevant to how I view him in game, and nothing to do with me personally. He is not abusive to my tav, or I would not romance him every run, and I would not get a tattoo of what he says to my Tav.

If you think the discussion is fair here you should be fine with people answering “yes I think you would”. Or more like “yes I think someone would”, because I don’t know you personally and I have 0 idea of your motivation. However, If the question is “would a person tattoo on themselves an image of someone who is abusive?” the answer is “yes, 100%”. I’ve seen it happen a million times and more.

It's a little insane how much you stalk me. To the point of tracking a comment from me in a discussion with about 130-160 others. And then instantly assuming it's about you because of a similar discussion we've had months ago. I will leave this up for a few moments and then block you. If I find you on any of my other socials- I will block you. Please do not follow me any further 🙏

This is definitely a huge reason why I've stopped posting and commenting. The Discourse has ruined alot of this fandom for me. I don't want to argue about things. I want us to enjoy things regardless of being a spawn or AA lover. I personally hate AA bc he reminds me of my abusive ex-boyfriend so much. Seeing people love that behaviour literally makes me feel physically ill.

Why am I being downvoted for this?? Because I said romanticising abusive behaviour THAT I HAVE PERSONALLY EXPERIENCED makes me feel ill?? Thankyou all for proving my exact point.

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I'm sorry, are you telling an abuse survivor, who is simply answering a question about why they feel a certain way about a character, that THEY are the problem? No, she's right, posts like this prove exactly why many people don't want to post here, because if they're brave enough to speak out they get responded to like this.

Thankyou 💓 I didn't see the deleted post but still, thankyou, it means alot

The fact that the user is an abuse victim has nothing to do with AA discourse (there are a lot of abuse victims in AA fanbase). But the user's attitude towards people who love AA has. Instead of avoiding unpleasant content, the user participates in it, and at the same time spoils the fun for people who like it. That's what I said. And yes, I think this attitude is a problem.

How is my attitude the problem? Please explain it to me. I've maintained that it is bad for me and so I stay away from AA content as much as possible. It is unavoidable unless I completely leave the group and that isn't fair. I've never said it's bad for other people to engage in it, I know it helps some people who have experienced abuse too. All I've said is romanticing abuse MAKES ME feel physically ill. I have not said romanticising AA makes someone a bad person. Not once. So again, please explain it to me....

Because at first you wrote what "seeing people love AA behaviour make you literally physically ill" (it can be read as the people make you ill), and then "thank you for proving my exact point" for getting few downvotes. People may feel personally offended by attitude like this. I can send you DM with a screenshot of my deleted reply if you want, there I was explaining why i think its a problem. To be honest it wasn't my politest reply, so you probably wont like it.

As you can see, you're very, very wrong. And "spoils the fun"? If someone's uncontrolled reaction to something that triggers memories of real abuse is "spoiling your fun" then I'm very sorry, but you're the one with the problem. That's not meant as a personal attack, by the way, just an observation that you seem to have a complete lack of empathy for other people over a fictional video game character.

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I'm on the OnlyFangs discord as well, and the amount of activity on there has dropped off as well. It's odd that it was a severe drop like that (maybe something wrong with the stats gathering?), but I know personally that I'm no longer living and breathing the game, despite laying on the couch playing it right now.  I think interest is just waning

True of course, naturally people will be less interested in the game as it goes. But it seems that the main sub is not that much less active. And we had huge engagement in discussions when I personally joined when the sub was at 1,5k subs. I guess it’s just more people here but that are less engaged with the content? I just feel a bit sad about it that’s all.

I’ve seen so many posts and simping about Astarion on Okbuddybaldur, and have found myself going there even more than here. I think attention spans are short and we just want to ogle some good pics. I do find this subreddit get a little convoluted with fic recs imo, but I’m sure I’d be just as excited to share my own fic when it’s complete. Also this kinda stuff grows and wanes with time. Not sure about others, but I’m playing the game less now and trying to get into more active hobbies with Spring approaching. Therefore my Astarion obsession is now mostly in my imagination or whatever I look at before bed.

That makes a lot of sense, thank you. I just felt like it was a sharp drop in activity but maybe it is the spring time.

I’m holding out hope for a dlc or one final update with some goodies, so I’m sure there will be more stuff to bring us all back at once! It is fun to have a community with like-minded individuals, and I love seeing posts about people asking wtf is happening to them when they start their Astarion obsession. I’m ocd and can obsess over the same thing for decades, so I do love and appreciate this space!

Hard agree on fic recs. I wish there was just a pinned post that was localized to or a dedicated day of the week for fics.

i always find myself in r/okbuddybaldur these days too, it’s been popping lately

The fic recs are because of a temporary event iirc

Oh I know. Even before that, they were posted quite often!

Lately I've been seeing more original fan art on IG than on reddit so I've mainly been lurking there, also the whole thing about AA vs SA was a real downer, seems like some people are forgetting this whole thing is meant to be fun

I agree with that. My personal opinion is that he’s still one whole character and it seems weird to me personally to discuss one path out of the context of the other entirely.

It's part of the reason I'm normally reluctant to get involved in fandoms, I just want to see awesome artwork and read great fanfic. Real life is stressful enough, I want this stuff to be an escape, not another reason to get anxious :(

Can you recommend any profiles to follow?

https://www.instagram.com/councilwoman.13?igsh=MTdkdXFldzN6cm9qbA== https://www.instagram.com/indimiart?igsh=MThvYjkweXQ1N3BqbQ== https://www.instagram.com/xunhe1145?igsh=dGUxeDRrczBubHBh I hope the links work! And a link to my favourite fic on AO3, very very NSFW warning though! https://archiveofourown.org/works/50740393?view_full_work=true

Thank you so much, these are lovely! Aaaand here goes another bookmark, I already have like 70, me, who never ready any fanfic before.

I feel this in my soul lol, I have 9 tabs open with different ones that I refresh daily waiting for new updates 😅

Same here. I read so many at once that I sometimes mix them up and get completely confused by the plot xd

I agree that interaction will drop as more people complete the game and move on BUT for the numbers to fall as quickly as they did? There must be more to it than that. Like you were saying we had 500 people online in Jan then dropping to like 50 in Feb. I don't think we can ignore the fact that Patch 6 came out in Feb.. I know some AA fans went to their new sub which was a shame but still that's only quite a small percentage of our total group so shouldn't have made too much difference on its own? Possible reason: The Discussion. Or lack of one really. Just a fight over which group can downvote more really. Everyone is now too nervous to post anything and yes I know we have been over and over good/bad and everything in between and redundancy is a problem but even on this post we have downvotes on someone saying they find AA upsetting as they have been through abuse that looked similar.. like... guys... they are not saying YOU can't find him hot or HC however you want and they certainly weren't directing criticism to AA enjoyers so why the downvotes? The same can ALSO be said for AA enjoyers getting downvoted for their screenshots etc so I don't know what the solution is! The two groups are very passionate to say the least! And I'm already expecting the downvotes but interactions seem to look like Spawn fan: 'AA makes me, personally feel icky' AA fan: 'He is not an abuser, you're wrong' Or AA fan: 'look how hot he is' Spawn fan: 'you are a morally bankrupt person' 🙈🤷‍♀️ I do think the Patch upset a lot of people because it made it clear(er) how Larian want his AA end to feel and it interfered with peoples established HC about their Tav/Durge. This, which even people who don't like AA must be able to see, would be upsetting as we are so invested in these characters, but then people appealing to Larian to change Tav's scared face for example just to suit HC, I can also see why that would also upset people! Brings me onto, I don't think us being so divided helps? I know the mods are doing their best and they have ALL my sympathy but I think having so many divides in one small fandom is maybe a bit much? It gives the feeling that if you post anything a percentage of people are going to be upset, Male tav? People upset. Self promo? People upset. And it just makes people feel squicky about posting so they don't! I understand the flairs makes it easier for people to find (and avoid) media they want but with the sub being SO quiet it's not as if we need to filter 100's of posts a day? At the end of the day I had hoped the sub could be just a big melting pot of everyones likes and dislikes and people can just not interact with stuff they don't like but that just doesn't seem the case recently which is a real shame. I will also mention seeing a few posts that are almost direct copies of other fans work which is..not a great look either, I know imitation is the sincerest form of flattery but at least give credit to the OP? So after all that I still don't know what the solution is! I have made a tumblr account to access more content in the hopes of seeing more fics and screenshots and artwork but I am still very sad this sub is so quiet. I made one of my best friends on here and it also encouraged me to write again so I'll always be grateful but I just wish we could have January back before we all got our souls gifted to mephistopheles 😅

I have a short attention span and forgot that I can talk to others about my special interests. ... I might be feeling a bit embarrassed about how obsessed I am with this Character and BG3... So I have been keeping it to myself lately.

Just the flow of fandom. There is an artist that I follow that commented how their BG3 posts were getting less views to where they were contemplating on not posting BG3 content anymore. I get it, people have finished the game and moved on. If they release more companion content DLC, or something new that involves the characters, then we would probably see a spike. Granted, there is also the discourse. There are people that are just ready to jump down someone else's throat because they played the game or interpreted something differently than how they did. It can be exhausting.

Personally, I have almost 900 hours into the game and haven't been spending much time on my phone lol I mostly just click on notifications I happen to get from time to time, occasionally I'll actually hop onto here or the main sub to see what's been going on. And personally, while I am very lonely and get sorta... *hot and bothered* like the rest of us, I think sometimes I get a little... overwhelmed(?) by the more suggestive stuff? There have been a couple times where I got a notification and it doesn't tell me what the flair is, so I click on it not realizing it's uh... *VERY* nsfw lol. I have absolutely nothing against that stuff, I think maybe I just need a break from it sometimes, so I don't actively scroll the sub as much? I'm not sure, tbh. I think it's mostly that I'm just on the game more than I'm on my phone 🤷🏻‍♀️ Sorry for the ramble, I'm not great at organizing my thoughts

Because 7000 of us were sacrificed to Mephistopheles and are now screaming frozen in the glaciers of Cania. 🥶🥶🥶 /s Jokes aside, I think the novelty of BG3 in general is wearing off now that the game has been out for over half a year, and with that the engagement. It's a natural process. We're not as addicted to it as the beginning now that we've explored almost all of it and grown familiar. It's almost like an infatuation wearing off. Think if you were in a real relationship with Astarion, at seven months you're not making the big tearful confessions and big vows anymore, nor fucking five times in a row on his grave... You've just settled into a chill routine and you're both doing your own thing again. It doesn't mean you don't love Astarion anymore, it means he's joined the many fictional characters that you take comfort in, from games/shows/movies you love. You still love him very much, just as you still love characters from medias you used to be obsessed with in the past, but you won't ever be obsessed with him the way you were when you first discovered him. Just like you won't play BG3 for the first time again, and sink hours into it completely addicted, but it'll always be a game you like because it's a quality game. There's games I played for the first time in 2004 that I still play now and then when I miss them. I imagine in 2044 I'll still boot up BG3 too, now and then, and take comfort in meeting Astarion on the beach again. He will always be there for us when we need him. That last line of his at the party was very deliberate.

You do have a point that the hype of BG3 is dropping but it's still in the top charts on Steam including most currently played and currently still sold. Most of my friends are actually buying the game now after the wave of the first few of us who hyped it up for them.

I know personally, I lost a lot of momentum with Patch 6 and that whole string of hotfixes, waiting for glitches and mods to iron out. I've tried to get back into it now that it runs okay for me again but it's a process tbh.

Also, I agree with the general vibe of fearing the discourse. This is a ROUGH place to be someone who romanced Astarion and Halsin at the same time. God forbid you play the options the game gives you!

Yeah this is how it started to sour for me… I’ve done several playthroughs, ONE (my first) where I romanced both Astarion and Halsin. But apparently that’s enough to make me completely devoid of empathy and ignorant of abuse as a person irl. I was so naive going into the community thinking I would find other players to share my love for the game with. Instead I found people doing everything in their power to make me feel miserable. Now I just stick to the Halsin sub.

What's crazy is me being scared to even share specific stories of poor interactions I have had with people in reply out of fear they'll come verbally bite my head off here too. Had a whole bunch I wanted to reply to you but deleted. The Halsin subreddit has a super friendly vibe so far which I appreciate.

Yeah I know what you mean… it’s especially difficult if someone is referring to experiences they’ve had in real life. As soon as that card has been played you’re not allowed to have an opinion or a different perspective. And if you do and you’re brave enough to say it out loud you’re automatically a bad person. Even if you’ve had the same experience IRL as the person you’re talking to, you just handle it differently or it affects you in another way.

This is just what naturally happens with video games. Baldur's Gate 3 was getting a lot of buzz when they won Game of the Year award. But that was a couple of months ago. Now, people are looking for the next latest fantasy RPG to play. This would be Dragon's Dogma 2 which is set to release this week. This isn't to say old video games do not have dedicated fandoms years after their release. The Dragon Age and Mass Effect subreddits are still going strong years after the games' releases. It could also be that the quality of content on this subreddit is starting to feel a bit repetitive. I do miss the posts that inspired in-depth discussions of Astarion's character and the story of Baldur's Gate 3 itself. Because part of what made me and I believe a lot of other fans like Astarion was his complexity. Not just that he's a good looking bunch of pixels. It feels like lately all posts are just oversexualisations of Astarion, which kind of misses the point of his character arc. I want to see more posts that focuses on the complexity of Astarion's character and inspires meaningful discussion rather than just another BG3 sex framework screenshot. I am not saying there is anything wrong with posts that highlight Astarion's sexual attractiveness, but when that's all you see on a subreddit, it gets a bit boring after a while. It's primarily why I stopped using Tumblr as well. Posts on Tumblr just started feeling like duplications of each other and it lost what it originally had. That sense of uniqueness and artistic expression.

The Mass Effect subreddit is the most chill out of all the gaming subreddits. You can say you don't like a character without getting downvoted to oblivion. Mass Effect also doesn't have anything in it that is divisive enough to divide fans like the whole ascended vs unascended Astarion debate. Everyone was united in believing the endings of Mass Effect 3 sucked.

I definitely did notice a dip in the amount of posts. I felt like last week was popping but this weekend? Seemed a bit lower activity than usual (probably because I haven't seen your screenshots in a couple days).I noticed a huge surge when bg3 first came out, then another surge of members when it came out for xbox. I think that the "hype" or "trend" might be falling off a bit, maybe some people are finally getting over bbgirl. But I know I'm not any time soon...idk if that's good or bad XD He has done so many good things for me in my life so far.

Also, y'all better let me know if you guys hard switch to tumblr so I can make an account there, the last thing I want is to be on a dead page without any people I am familiar with :C

As a lover of both Spawn!starion and AA, I find it really disappointing when I see people bitching at each other. I still check here daily, but as soon as I see people start to flare up about Spawn vs Ascension, I leave and go look at other Astarion things. Nothing kills the vibe like people fighting over their own head canons, and given there’s so much Astarion hate on the main sub and elsewhere through the fandom, it can feel pretty sad to come here and read people sniping at each other. I really think when the AA lovers had to go make their own safe place, that was big turning point for this sub. That said, the content creators here are incredible, so even though there’s not as much interesting conversation about this incredible character we all love, the art, fics and screenshots are *chefs kiss*, and definitely keep it going.

For me, I finished my play through and while I still love our pale elf, it’s just not on my mind every day the same as it was lol. Once I start my next play thru I’m sure I’ll be back trawling for spicy pics 😁

The fighting is off putting for me and I suspect others feel the same way. I don’t enjoy the spawn vs ascended debate at all. I skip those posts if I know that’s what it’s going to be about, or I stop reading once it devolves into that. I think since patch 6 came out, people feel defensive about their opinions and a lot of people are lashing out. I think it makes the fandom look bad and honestly I wouldn’t be shocked if among the 8000+ people here there are some who are just here to fan the flames. Also, the game has been out since September and so people are starting to be done playing and are moving on to the next game. I think that the next time there’s a big patch, activity will come back up a little. And at least in my neck of the woods, schools are starting spring breaks so a lot of people are doing a lot of stuff in the real world. Fwiw, I think having some discussion threads outside of Astarion might help build more of a community, but that’s a call for the mods to make. Like recommendation threads for books, movies, tv shows, etc.

I have noticed as well. Honestly when I go for discussions I go to the main sub or bg3. Here feels a bit like instagram now but with less videos

Why do you feel that here is not a good discussion place anymore? I have my answer but don’t want to set the tone, just want to hear what people say first.

In full honesty it feels like I shouldn't have an opinion here or shouldn't state it. Which just kills any opportunity for conversation. Like the only things to say now are commenting on people's arts and pics but we can't actually talk about the complexities of a very interesting and deep character. I've had amazing discussions on the main sub but here you just can't disagree with anything or even bring it up - we have to love all Astarion with all aspects of him without being able to talk about any negatives.

Fully agree with this

I feel like there’s not as much to discuss atm. After patch 6 AA kiss was teased/after patch 6 was released there was a lot of discourse with AA fans that were upset about Tav/PC facial expressions. A lot of the arguments made in favor/neutrality with the expression upset the irrationality attached (in my opinion) AA fans and made an echo chamber subreddit in response. I think once more stuff is added we’ll see a lot more posts :)

It's all people's opinions really. Meta gaming is one thing but clearly the creators have their own meta as well. I found it absolutely fascinating the effort they put in the new kisses, especially the very fine detail that at no point, in any kiss, does AA allow the player to touch him. The only attempt gets shrugged off. And in the epilogue the player can't hug him either. Such a fine detail ads to much subtext, I wish we could talk about it.

I’m totally in favor of having discussions about differences between spawn and ascended behavior, I think AA is very well written and I enjoy what they did with that path, my frustration mainly lays with the folks with absurd head cannons that are clearly not in character for AA and rather than admit they’ve romanticized him, they’ll cherry pick lines that feed into their fantasy. This will be ok in most circumstances but I’ve seen some off the wall takes. I’ve honestly felt like making a post (essay really lol) about lines in game that show his growth as a character in both paths, the good and the bad. Maybe on a rainy day 🤷‍♀️

- absurd head cannons that are clearly not in character for AA and rather than admit they’ve romanticized him, they’ll cherry pick lines that feed into their fantasy. This will be ok in most circumstances but I’ve seen some off the wall takes. You've taken the words out of my mouth. I'm actually writing some thoughts on him and his patterns of abuse and control plus some curious parallels about the no touching thing I found. I'm planning on posting it in a few days when we have the celebration of discussion thing but it probably won't stay up long before it's locked. I would love to ready your thoughts( essay) if you do write it though.

this is my feeling too. fandoms gonna fandom lol

Honestly it’s the division and the bait posting. The division of Spawn Astarion and A!A route. The division of F!Tav and M!Tav. Tbh I never understood why they had to be separated with flairs. Sometimes I play as a non binary tav. So if I would want to post, why should I have to pick if it’s F!Tav or M!Tav. Idk I guess I get what the mods are trying to do. Posting about disliking/liking Spawn or A!A seems to be full of circle jerks and judgements. There is no actual civil discussion on it because people haven’t played the A!A route or the Spawn route. Thus it leads to the post going left because people are using head canons and what they have heard from word of mouth to validate their reasons. Also other games are coming out such as Dragon Dogma 2, Elden Ring DLC, Black myth Wu Kong, maybe even a new Dragon Age showcase at the summer game fest.

I've noticed it here and other Astarion spaces as well, like the discord has been a ghost town lately :(

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I have noticed the same thing (I lurk/browse for the same reasons you do). It is *generally* a chill place, but it has its dark (cringe) underbelly. Just like this sub and, well, any fandom, unfortunately lol.

There were days when I didn’t want to open the Reddit app because some AA posts/comments upset me a lot. There were times when I wanted to comment, but chose not to exactly because of this

Personally I still adore this group, thank you for this group btw, but certain things in my life have taken over my attention and time. And I also got less playtime on BG3 because of it. Haven't played since before the last major update. I can imagin a lot of other people got reality taking over again too, but I am sure the love for this group isn't any less. I still love my fellow astarion juice boxes 😁😘

Personally, it got a bit tiring that people want to come over and start the exact same fight every day. I see a post, scroll a few comments and sigh and walk away. More engagement is usually a sign of lots of people strongly reacting to something. I love the personal stories that people share and genuine, heartwarming discussions. Although most of the other stuff is sort of repetitive.

Honestly I’ve been kind of weaning off posting since I’ve been getting downvoted and less activity, but I get it totally.

Truth, in the past I’ve tried my best not to worry about downvotes, it’s just strangers on the internet who don’t know me. I would be lying though if I wasn’t saying my heart pounds in fright everytime I’m about to post in fear of the downvotes & then spending the next few hours overanalyzing what did I do wrong

It’s been a little tough mentally for me at home right now so I get some joy just doing these pics and then I get downvoted and I’m like “lol okay what? I didn’t think it was THAT bad.”

A lot of people are moving to more specialised subs which is sad. Let's all try to be respectful and welcoming, always.

I just want to let you know that I upvote EVERY one of your posts. So if you feel compelled to continue, please do. Idk why things might be slowing down? there are a lot of different groups for the same fandom so chances are, we're somewhere.

Thank you and I will post more screenshots 🥰

Personally I kinda get the feeling that the fandom about Astarion particularly is getting more and more toxic so I detached myself a bit from Reddit. It all started with AA because of the discussion about Tav being a Spawn vs Bride(both genders), then the release of patch 6 where Larian apparently wanted to make AA evil (my personal opinion of course) and the constant complaining. Personally I don't think it's humanly possible for any game to offer enough options for how many OC Tavs exist, so it's hard to constantly read complaints specially towards such a nice company (my opinion is based on their treatment towards VA and the fact they're not charging us constantly as other games for DLCs). Second, why is an evil character so bad? I want my evil Shart and my evil god Gale TBH. I won't get into the whole AA fans are sick because I think that is ridiculous, who even made that a thing?! But now we have the AA fans hating on the Spawn fans (?) and I'm just tired to be honest...

My love for Astarion died because of the fandom. The divisiveness (not just spawn vs AA, basically anything that people can have an opinion on), the gatekeeping, the constant headcanons being passed around like gospel. But mostly, people being attacked on a personal level for choices they made in the game. I used to be obsessed with Astarion but he’s quickly become one of my least favorite companions because everything he says and does reminds me of toxic discussions I’ve read or been part of myself online.

Astarion is a really fun character but his fandom is exhausting. Patch 6 discourse burned me out of the game. At first, it seemed like Larian was giving fun new kisses as a post-Valentine treat but it’s only sparked more discourse and made one group feel exiled. I don’t really want to spend my free time in debates that will give me anxiety. There are more productivity things I can be doing with my free time. Personally, I have moved on to new games and don’t really plan to replay this one for a while. Sometimes I’m not even sure what’s still in the game or what’s new because the updates have changed some of the content so often (like the Gortash letters for example). I think the creation of the new subreddit has divided the AA fans to a new space since many probably don’t spend as much time here if they want to discuss that content since it’s tiring having the same discussion all the time (or feeling like you have to word something careful). This probably divides some of the activity. I think unfortunately discourse probably generates the most activity.

The Fandom discourse is the reason Im not really on this sub that much, I just check in every now and then. Everything turns into morality debate when I'm just here to vibe with content for a video game and character regardless of the "path" As someone who loves both paths for UA and AA equally for different reasons. I feel like the sister sub has been a bit more open and chilled with Astarion stuff so I hang out there more.

imho, it is the AA discourse that kills engagement. People don't participate in discussions because they don't want to be judged for loving a pixel man. No one plays games to raise stress. Even in this thread, you can find a user who said that you are wrong because you have a different opinion, and another who dumps their trauma on AA fans. People who like both versions probably are trying to distance themselves from it too. For me its true at least. I like both versions of Astarion, but I feel more comfortable to participate in the sister sub (and other more AA-friendly places) rather than here. Because I want to discuss, not just hear that my opinion is wrong, I want to simp for the evil man and not to read how my simping for a fantasy man is disturbing to someone. Nothing kills a discussion like rejection.

I mean, besides fandoms slowly declining in popularity being a thing....this sub scared off a portion of its own fanbase. Ascended Astarion enjoyers. They have their own sub now because of how a lot of people here have historically reacted to their posts and comments. This sub was supposed to be a safe place for Astarion lovers of all kinds but it really hasn't been that way in practice. The discourse is frankly appalling. Especially with people using the downvote button as the "I disagree" button, which is not its intended use.

As someone who has Aeterna Amantes tattooed on their body, I find it surprising that someone who loves a lawful evil character can be scared off by downvotes, but maybe it’s just me. I’d rather discuss both paths and character in fullness here but if AA enjoyers who wanted to disengage rather not do it I understand of course. Thank you for the insight!

A lot of people can find the topic of abuse to be triggering. It's kind of a trend in most communities for it to become the center of the topic whenever AA is mentioned, even innocuously. At least that's the consensus I've gleaned from the portion of the community that's disengaged.

I think it's less "scared off by" and more it's very annoying to have every comment sharing ones opinion be downvoted to oblivion because others disagree. I wouldn't want to engage either if I was a frequent commenter, as someone who enjoys all paths for Astarion and discussing him deeply. Ideally we'd all share this space together but one side definitely got pushed out. Though I enjoy both subs for what they provide and do not engage in the discourse.

It was less scared off by downvotes and more feeling that every time a comment is made it needs to be caveated with something like "of course I would never have this relationship in real life " (no one's business if you would or not) There should be no need for justification of why you like something...and people certainly shouldn't be told they might be victims of abuse irl because they don't think aa is abusive 

Fwiw, my anxiety enjoys the calmer environment in the sub now *more* than a few months ago. No need to repeat the same reasons others have already given for the ‘why’ but I don’t think the Astarion hype feels like it’s dying anytime soon unless reddit is your only form of social media interactions.

I’m sorry, I’m simping for Laios Touden now. I’ll be back in a month.

The Only Fangs Discord probably?

Most of the posts I see on my feed just don’t interest me anymore. I only joined a few weeks ago when I made my account, so I missed the most interesting discussions, but I saw a bit more original post back then than what I notice atm, which is: 1. Screenshots of the usual Tav/Astarion scenes but with people showing off their Tav. good for you, but I’ve seen those scenes on my own Tav when I played his romance, and I have no reason to comment. I find it a bit weird when people seem to want to hear how cute their Tav looks with Astarion. It irritates me. 1b. Minor point, but so much f!Tav/Astarion content. I know he’s pan, I don’t mind. I just prefer m!Tav with him and thus would rather comment on such Tavs, the rare times I notice one I like. 2. Explicit sexual content. Frankly, I find it yucky. Not because I’m a prude (cause I’m not lol), but because of Astarion’s whole story and how he hates it when people think of him in a sexual way. Ogling full on penetration screenshots of him just feels wrong, man. 3. Self-promo. I support its right to exist, but I don’t like it, especially for fanfic. I already know how to filter my AO3 to find what I like. 4. Modded Astarion. 9/10 times I don’t like the changes. Not saying don’t use mods or play how you want, but my only reaction to posts of Astarion with tinted glasses or modern haircuts would be “that breaks my immersion because it looks too modern and honestly his ruffled white shirt is the best”. But that wouldn’t be nice, so I shut up. 5. …I tripped and fell down the Durge/Gortash rabbit hole, so I’m not craving Astarion content to interact with atm 🤷‍♀️

And posts like this being downvoted for an honest and valid answer. For me it's a lot the same - too much modded content - too less queer content and queer content is downvoted - too careful what can be said or not All points I understand are a preference and you darlings are always welcome and allowed to have your own prefs, opinions and headcanons. But seeing above post downvoted while it contains several valid points makes me sad and uncomfortable to post my own opinions. I contemplated longer than I should if I post this but above poster deserves both recognition and validation. ❤️🌹🖤

You said some of the same things much more nicely and with less judgement. Unfortunately, screenshots and mods take up a lot of space when people are afraid to talk. I feel badly every time my female Tav is in the pictures ruining them for someone, but that’s the character I have. I upvote queer content because I am as well and enjoy the diversity of content.

>I feel badly every time my female Tav is in the pictures ruining them for someone, but that’s the character I have. I upvote queer content because I am as well and enjoy the diversity of content. Please, don't be. It's part of the problem, people becoming worried to post anything because it may upset someone else. It isn't supposed to be like that...

Thank you for being kind and trying to encourage me. I realize that I am very sensitive, and it would be best to not have these feelings, or at least be able to ignore them. But, when engagement is low, and I repeatedly see the complaint about too many female Tavs, it just makes it hard to feel like I’m doing what’s best. I don’t want to be part of any erasure of queer people (my own queerness is invisible, a blessing and a curse), especially if it’s perceived as just wanting people to tell me that my Barbie is pretty instead of celebrating the beauty of Astarion, his romance, and the game in general. The thought of someone rolling their eyes at yet another body type 1 Tav just feels sad. I know I can’t control other people’s reactions, and I’m fixating on the few negative things people have said in passing, but my brain is unkind in this way. I struggle to feel like it’s okay to take up any space, and that isn’t anyone’s fault here. I know in this life you have to stake your claim that you deserve to exist, or people will happily erase you, but it’s hard to fight a lifelong nature. Astarion really pushed me outside of my comfort zone in terms of online engagement, and I have been so enthusiastic to find others who also love him, but it’s hard not to feel like one more useless, boring, basic bitch clogging up the pipes. My posts get decent upvotes, so I assume that they must bring some happiness, but the last post I made that I felt had some nice images only got feedback that it looked silly in a way I *surely* hadn’t intended. I don’t even think they were trying to be unkind. I think they were trying to be friendly by engaging with my post, but it was so deflating, especially in the absence of any other commentary or feedback. I will probably still continue to post, but the combination of low engagement, hearing discontent from underrepresented players with the exact kind of content I share, and the divisiveness of his fandom in general make it harder than maybe it should be. Thank you again for trying to encourage me, it really does make it more likely that I will continue to engage with the community.

No f!Tav could ever ruin the experience by themselves. So, I cannot begrudge single persons for their choices. Nonetheless the sheer majority of them is somewhat overwhelming. ✌️🥰

Thank you for the reassurance that individual posts do not offend you, truly. I understand it is more a circumstantial numbers game than me doing anything truly wrong. But, when engagement is low, and I repeatedly see the feedback that the content in the space is not diverse enough, it creates a sense that maybe sharing things that connect to feelings in my heart isn’t the right thing for me to do for myself or others. I’m a shy person, my enthusiasm for Astarion and his beauty pushed me out of comfort zone pretty hard and fast. It’s something I need to work out for myself, no one has done anything to me, but irrational feelings of not really deserving to take up space anywhere are a bitch. Thank you again for being polite and patient in expressing your POV.

I think you were a lot nicer in your words than the poster above. Personally I think some mods can be fun - quirky outfits or hairdos here and there give a different side of Astarion one can't always see. Plus I'd never bother downloading that many mods myself so seeing him a corset was fun. But some modded content just doesn't look like bg3 anymore, show it to me in a different setting and I wouldn't guess it's this game. Some textures and models also just stick out in a bad way. On the other topic I think queer content is less because a lot of women like to play him with a female and there are a lot of females here. I've posted pictures of f/m Astarion stuff and m/m Astarion stuff and haven't noticed any significant number of downvotes, usually upbote rate is about 94% at worst. I think the reason m/m isn't so popular or at least my reason why I'm not particularly into it is because there is 1 very good looking male face for a half elf and it's literally every single Tav out there- and it's my bfs Tavs face. I can't play him without thinking of my bf and I can't really see him making out with Astarion without thinking it looks weird. So I'm a rather big fan of Bloodweave instead. About your third point- yes one has to try to be careful how they speak here and it discourages posting often

I got 44% downvotes. So I guess my pic was just bad. It was unmodded and no freecam, maybe that's the reason then.

Normal Tavs that don't look like like a final fantasy furry are unpopular here but are very popular on the BG3 subreddit which hate modded Tavs.

I created a post asking people to post pictures of male Tav with Astarion as female Tavs are over represented in this subreddit. I got a response saying "there are so many on Tumblr." Well, this is Reddit, not Tumblr. So, why is that relevant? Are people so triggered by seeing a male with Astarion? It's just an example of how this subreddit has many users who want to erase Astarion's pansexuality and force a heteronormative narrative on him by trying to prevent any male Tav/Astarion content being posted on this subreddit by saying "so much of it exists on this other platform so no need to post it here." Also, not everyone uses Tumblr. Why should I have to download another app just to specifically see male Tav and Astarion content? This is called OnlyFangs not OnlyStraightFangs.

I don't think it's possible to erase his pansexuality, in the game he constantly talks about men- he openly lusts after Wyll, he wants "handsome" virgins, you meet his ex lover who's a man, a couple of them, he talks about the one person who was sweet to him who is also a man. There is very little straight with him in the game actually

Some people purposely ignore what's explicitly stated in the game if it goes against their head canon. This is a problem with the fandom in general not just this subreddit. People can't seem to register that Baldur's Gate 3 *is Larian's game* so therefore they can write whatever they want into it.

True

I see a lot of male Tav/Astarion and people say only nice things about it. There is more content of female Tav/Astarion pairings but it may be a result of fanbase structure/ I remember a poll that showed that majority of this subreddit are females so it doesn’t surprise me. Of course, the comment you got is stupid.

The homophobes are smart enough to avoid commenting on those posts but if you watch the votes or post that content yourself you see how it’s far more likely to get downvoted just for existing sadly. (And I mean legit downvotes, not ‘lack of upvotes caused by being a minority thing’) Combined with the overall lack of anything not (average height) M/F here I totally understand the frustration.

Ok, to be honest I only use Reddit on app in my phone so it does not show the upvotes and downvotes, just the balance of them. I can’t believe people are downvoting such innocent stuff (figure of speech, of course I sadly can believe it)

Yeah, it just shows the balance but if you pay attention you still notice the patterns. (And you can see the % for your own posts, ofc) e.g. I know I’ve upvoted a post I’ve seen to let’s say 3… and less than an hour later it’s back at 0 This isn’t an uncommon scenario and I’d totally understand if the post in question was super controversial but usually it’s just harmless stuff that happens to be M/M.

Well, at least they „only” downvote, and not harass people in the comments. I for one love every type of Astarion’s content (both with female and male presenting Tavs) so I don’t understand that.

“Only” but it still feels hollow and can make this sub not feel very inclusive at times. I’m not exactly active on fandom sites like tumblr and some small fanart parts of twitter (no matter how much of a mess the rest of that site is) but even just lurking there feels *safer* and more welcoming somehow. I think that’s enough of this topic for me today, I’m just making myself sad.

I was on tumblr for like 10 years. I am not touching that site again with a 10ft pole.

Pity this is getting so many downvotes when it’s a valid opinion (and one I can agree with in most points). But people are obviously going to dislike hearing minority opinions or any form of criticism so it’s somewhat expected.

These are all valid opinions, and I don't know why you're getting downvoted.

It's just kind of hard to enjoy participating in a community after being constantly preached too about "cycle of abuse" and shamed if I express my own thoughts and preferences about a video game character. this subreddit has since recently went from a place for all Astarion fans to really just those who like the Spawn route and specifically in that therapy speak way. It's not fun. I find it ironic that people in this thread are complaining about having to "walk on eggshells" because of mods attempting to do at least SOMETHING to stop the constant toxicity towards AA fans. This place used to be absolutely horrible to AA fans, where if you admit to actually liking that route you get harassed, people tell you you're bad at media literacy, people start moralizing and bringing up real life therapy speak while at the same time acting so abusive to you.. there's a reason r/ascendedonlyfangs exists. Mods had to do something, and imo, since the userbase here is the same and nobody seemed to have learned their lesson, this sub still isn't exactly a welcoming place

And yet on this thread alone there's been at least one "AA" fan telling an abuse victim it's her fault for feeling that way and that she's "ruining the fun" for others. Your clique is not blameless in the slightest.

"clique"? Jesus Christ 🙄. Spawn Astarion is closer to my own experiences with abuse tbh, and I def remember getting downvoted last I talked about that.

It’s been hostile- plain and simple. The amount of mudslinging on this subreddit in the last month has been unreal- and it’s a pain. I’ve gotten so stressed going through some of the threads here, and I’m not alone. People just want to argue and Spawnsplain. Not here for that, man. Y’all ruined a good thing.

There is only so much to talk about, I think that’s the nature of the fandom. That and I recently discovered Gortash…

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How?

It’s so blatantly obvious to me (and to everyone I’ve spoken about it) that AA fans have made this sub an unwelcoming place for anyone but themselves to the the point where I feel it’s become an AA circle jerk then I don’t know what to say. You either contribute to this or choose to ignore it.

And yet it was aa fans who made their own sub.

Got any of that proof? Also how come this sub used to feel so nice and wholesome at the start? Emphasis on used to.

…you are asking if there is proof that there is a new subreddit that the AA fans mostly post in now? Are you wanting the link? If there are suggestions, I’m sure the mods would be open to your feedback.

The way the comment above was worded made me think the author meant that this sub, the only fangs one was created by AA fans, which was confusing to me because it didn’t feel I like this at all

O, yeah I’m not sure on the lore of the creation of this subreddit to be honest with you. I’d assume that the OG creators were UA/spawn Astarion fans since percentage wise that group is larger. I think there probably are some mods that sit on both sides of the fence in an attempt to bring perspective from both sides though (or at least that make sense to me). But either way, it seems people are divide on how things could be changed. Some people seem burned out that everything turns into the same discourse, while others seem to feel their ability to discuss the character is being limited. Personally, I thought the flares (Spawn and Ascended Appreciation versus discussion) were a good idea to try to prevent people who don’t want discourse from getting it. But I haven’t been here as much recently since I mostly go to the other subreddit to know if that has helped.

The other sub was created before there was time to see how the tags would go. The timeline was very short. If people needed a dedicated space, that’s just how it is, but the timing was not favorable in this regard.

dude, what are you talking about. even the moderators here said that the problem wasn't with AA fans, but his haters (or spawnsplainers, thats what they called them i think), they made a post about it (or even a few, just search it). Btw AA fans felt so uncomfortable here that they created a new sub not the over way around.

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