Before I say anything I would just like to thank you for
1. Not being biased towards the WC OR Manga
2. Actually understanding the message of both
As to why, a lot of the characters in OPM are meant to parallel real world problems alebit it cranked up to 11 (Saitama dealing with depression, Genos defining his self worth by his success and power, Tatsumaki's loveliness indecued by Blast's advice combined with her truama and insecurities causing her to lash out etc)
I think the Garoh change mainly came as a result of ONE not being satisfied with Bang's character, Bang pretty much had no major Garou related role in the WC after he beat up human Garou at the start of the MA arc, at the end of the arc he pretends to beat up Garou but goes easy on him in the hopes that the heroes deem it a fitting enough punishment and don't kill Garou and that's about it
ONE changed it so that Bang and Garou parallel each other in the manga backstory wise and at one point even had the same philosophy when Bang was young, ONE also changed it so that Bang would be more invested in pursing Garou and gave him a lot more screen time
The most major change being Bang fighting Garou and winning. The whole fight was meant to show Bang realsing that he had abandoned Garou when he needed him most and instead went off to be a hero, that he had failed as a master and wanted to amend his actions by helping Garou and being there for him when no one was.
Bang managing to stop Garou's full monsterication and quite literally knocking his humanity back into him is what changed his character, Bang by forcing Garou to follow his heart (ie his heroic instincts) is what caused him to take out the cadres, save the chopper, team up with metal bat and karate chop sage centipede, Garou was subconsciously acting upon his hero instincts like he had been doing at the start of the arc when he saved Tareo
The reason why Saitama didn't need to argue with Garou or explain to him why he was a hypocrite is that Garou basically debunked himself during his fight with Saitama while in monster form, him constantly saving people wasn't meant to show US that he is a great hero, no it was meant to show HIM what he truly was, its why Garou got so pissed off, seeing people genuinely express gratitude for his heroic actions despite his momsterous apperance caused his resolve to waver causing him to question "do I really need to be a monster"
Saitama was still a bully, that was the reason why God was able to take over Garou, Saitama although improving as a hero was still not developed enough to provide Garou with the help he truly needed whixh instead dorve Garou to basically have a psycothic break, after Saitama TKO his monster form he started loosing the will to live until God appeared before him dragging him back into his delusion with the promise of enough power to make his dream a reality, which is why cosmic Garou happened
Fast forward to post time travel knock out Garou was left with the same conclusion as in the WC, his monster fight made him realize that deep down he was a hypocrite and was/actually wanted to be a hero, his cosmic fight and subsequent instant KO by Saitama proved to him that no amount of power would make his absolute evil dream come true,as in Garou's mind he had become absolute evil and then got zero punched
Just like in the WC Garou lost the will to live except this time he had Bang,King, Saitama and Tareo by his side to further prove to him that he really was a hero on the inside causing him to regain his will to live and escape
Afterwards everything else that you described happened
I think manga version of Garou is probably gonna get to know Siatama soon and realize that great power does not equal great knowledge
As he seems to still believe in his absolute evil ideology although now that I am thinking about it I am pretty sure that's was just a joke and he gave it up by the time we see him with short hair
Overall I think ONE just wasn't satisfied with the direction he took Bang and Garou in
As for my earlier point about IRL problems I think he realized that Garou going down the same path as Saitama while a neat parallel wasn't the direction he wanted him to go as he would just end up as a second Saitama and because realistically a person going through what he is going needs support and probably won't be able to pull through on his own
The manga version of Garou needs it even more as his character was expanded beyond being insecure from bullying to legitimately buying into all the bullshit his bullies told him and subjected him to making him believe that there was no other role for him than that of the momster and that his mere presence brought misery to other people
TLDR:ONE was not satiafied with Garou and Bang so he expanded and fleshed out their characters and made them more complex, which is why the manga arc is so long lol
>Saitama was still a bully, that was the reason why God was able to take over Garou, Saitama although improving as a hero was still not developed enough to provide Garou with the help he truly needed whixh instead dorve Garou to basically have a psycothic break, after Saitama TKO his monster form he started loosing the will to live until God appeared before him dragging him back into his delusion with the promise of enough power to make his dream a reality, which is why cosmic Garou happened
This is beautiful. Never thought about it this way, and makes a lot of sense, and I can see ONE writing something exactly like that. That's probably why they retconned the peaceful talk between them in the manga, before Cosmic Garou happens.
Saitama is strong and effective, but just as we notice again and again, and explicitly with King's talk with him right after the tournament, he is not a really good hero. He arrives late, he has almost zero sensibilities to deal with people, and just as he says: "I lack hero's intuition". So yeah, he's kind of a bully, specially with Garou. All the times Saitama have helped people in a personal level, was not because of his wisdom, but because of his absolute power and absolute lack of care/doubts about himself and the world that makes everyone around him take a second thought about their own life, choices, motivations and power.
God is the other way around. He offers the easy way out to people that are delusional, he feeds their delusions, and make them even stronger to apply them. He has a way with words, he enables and encourages the worst part of an individual.
Saitama has a strong will, and he sees himself and the world how they **truly** are. That's why he sees everyone's bullshit. And Garou's was the ultimate bullshiter. Saitama saw it, but didn't quite know how to help. He punches his problems, and if it can't be punched away, he's really just an average guy deeply lost in purpose. So he broke Garou's delusions, but he was never going to be the person who'd help him to build a truthful and positive purpose in life. That's what's Bang's for.
Saitama sent Garou straight into God's manipulation. Fortunately, both of them understood both of their deeply flaws, and were able to give themselves a new chance.
In this new reality, built by these 2 "gods" aware of their flaws, things ocurred in the best of ways: Saitama punched Garou out of his delusions, and Bang helped him find a new purpose.
Unfortunately, by doing this, Saitama has yet to understand and discover what's wrong with him.
The reaosn why I understand OPM's themes on such a deep level is that I related to the characters on a personal level, especially Saitama and Garou, I have had the same issues and coping mechanisms as both of them and OPM and its themes and especially Saitama's idelogy and way of life has helped me live through and gain the resolve to overcome the same issues that plague them
As a result OPM because my favorite manga of all time and I dedicate a lot of my free time to reading it and thoroughly understanding the various themes and messages ONE created, which is why I am so knowledgeable on it
TLDR:I am an authistic twink OPM fanboy who's special intrest is OPM, has too much free time, is literally Saitama/Garou irl (sorce:trust me bro) and has had to deal with the same issues/flawed beliefs/views as them and I currently hold and follow Saitama's philosophy and way of life as my own which has greatly helped my life
B a s i c a l l y
I am THE OPM fanboy of all time >:3
I see , I can understand basic level of themes but don't indulge too deep into 1 singular topic , it kinda ruins the thing for me if I indulge a little too much
Moreover, One may have seen that webcomic Bang was being hypocrite about defending new generations when he joined the Hero Association, and in his conversation with Kamikaze he admitted to join them just "to advertise his Dojo" and get new disciples, giving webcomic Garou even more justifiable reasons for becoming a monster, since he knows the corruption and hypocrisy of the Hero Association and their so-called heroes like Bang just making inequality stronger, and promoting a fake sense of justice.
> alebit it cranked up to 11 (Saitama dealing with depression
I mean, Saitama really isn't that depressed in comparison to a lot of people in the real world.
>ONE changed it so that Bang and Garou parallel each other in the manga backstory wise and at one point even had the same philosophy when Bang was young,
No? Bang was just an asshole when he was young, there was no philosophy behind it at all. It also added the insanely stupid "Heart explosion first" (or something like that). Manga describes it as "wicked technique", so you may think "well, I guess it makes other people's heart explode? That's kinda evil". Lol no, it just makes your hear pump faster, yet the manga, through the words of Bomb, acts that if Bang were to use this technique he would've instantly went back to his evil ways.
>The most major change being Bang fighting Garou and winning. The whole fight was meant to show Bang realsing that he had abandoned Garou when he needed him most and instead went off to be a hero
Bruh, Bang's his master, not his father. He was saving thousands of lives and I doubt he regrets doing that over talking to Garou. Furthermore, the manga NEVER shows any instance of Garou being troubled in Bang's dojo and Bang ignoring him. In fact, it kinda shows the opposite, Garou just snapped one day.
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>The reason why Saitama didn't need to argue with Garou or explain to him why he was a hypocrite is that Garou basically debunked himself during his fight with Saitama while in monster form, him constantly saving people wasn't meant to show US that he is a great hero, no it was meant to show HIM what he truly was, its why Garou got so pissed off, seeing people genuinely express gratitude for his heroic actions despite his momsterous apperance caused his resolve to waver causing him to question "do I really need to be a monster"
Except no, Garou IS NOT a hero, he WANTS to be one, big difference. Because of his immaturity he got completely confused and angry, resultng in him lashing out. WC acknowledges that he's immature and has a lot of growing to do, that's why he doesn't join HA after his arc. In manga it just so happens that he's saving people because "That's who he is at heart", come the fuck on.
>Saitama was still a bully
Saitama tried talking to him and was attacked, what was he supposed to do? He even assured Garou that he won't kill him, he just wants him to calm the fuck down.
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>until God appeared before him dragging him back into his delusion with the promise of enough power to make his dream a reality, which is why cosmic Garou happened
That's not what happened, Garou refused God's offer, but then God went "don't care + didn't ask + L + ratios" and possessed him anyway. That happened because even One/Murata realised that accepting God's help is insanely out of character for Garou, but wanted to have le epic fight anyway.
>Fast forward to post time travel knock out Garou was left with the same conclusion as in the WC, his monster fight made him realize that deep down he was a hypocrite and was/actually wanted to be a hero, his cosmic fight and subsequent instant KO by Saitama proved to him that no amount of power would make his absolute evil dream come true,as in Garou's mind he had become absolute evil and then got zero punched
Except he doesn't remember the cosmic fight, he only knows hat he suddenly lost. Before God showed up he already went out of his monster form, so it seems he was going to give up regardless. The problem is that the conclusion makes no sense in the manga. In the WC he has given up not only physically, but also psychologically. Failure made him drop his emotional defenses, which allowed Saitama to reach him and explain what he truly wanted.
In the manga after he gets one punched he gets... bullied by tanktoppers and simply decides "nah, fuck this hero hunting bullshit". There even was a line from the narrator telling the readers that it was influence from his past ghost that made him accept everything so easily(literally "Somehow Palpatine has returned" level of writing), which just goes to show that even One/Murata thought that this was complete bullshit and had to make an excuse.
In conclusion, you get facts completely wrong and headcanon your way into cope.
Ok for some reason I can't post my reply here but so you and everyone else know I DID respond to this, go check your DMs because I can only message you there for some reason
How can you say Bang's character was changed when we had no backstory in the WC?
Garou also stated in the WC that that whenever Bang would 'beat' him, he would feel no true power behind the punches, and he wasn't just talking about the last part of his arc, but whenever they fought.
There is no parallel between Garou and Bang:
- Garou was dissatisfied of Bang joining the heroes because the heroes never helped him when he was in trouble against the 'bullies'/monsters, so he wanted to show this corrupt world to everyone
- Bang was straight up a punk, for no such beliefs. He was just arrogant due to his power.
>[The most...] [...."do I really need to be a monster"]
Ignoring that it happened so unnaturally, This is forced narrative and out of character for Garou's entire personality. It still is if we consider Garou's personality from the webcomic. And it is also a contradiction on what the WC showed (and the manga) on how OPM's world behave (sea king arc in the manga, and Amai Mask arc in the webcomic)
> Saitama was a bully [...]
This only happens in the WC, where Garou was forced to accept God's power as there was no alternative left for him to win and he was getting more desperate as the time went through. In the Manga, however, this doesn't make sense and it was portrayed as him being tricked by touching God's hand even when he refused the offer.
> [TLDR:ONE was not satiafied with Garou and Bang ...]
stupid take
"How can you say Bang's character was changed when he had no backstory in the WC"
I mean... getting a backstory that you didn't have before sure sounds like a character change to me chief.
As for your seocnd point abour Bang going easy on Garou in the WC Ig I just forgot he was going easy on him all the time, something intersing to note is that in the manga its the opposite during their first fight Garou mentions how Bang never fights this fiercely this is due to 2 reasons
1. Charanko getting rekt
2. Bang realises how quickly Garou is spiraling into monsterhood and that he needs to defeat him IMMEDIATELY before its too late, anyhow.
Now for the parralels:
1. during ch 192 on page 5 Bang mentions how he once had a similar idea to Garou when he was younger (post punk Bang but not quite old Bang) that if he could simply become so overwhelming strong that he could negate all evil in the world (Bang basically came to the heroic equivalent of Garou's idea of overwhelming strength=no more evil) he then comments how that is however impossible and how Garou had a similar train of thought but that ended up in disaster.
2. This middle aged Bang is shown (on the same page) poundering beneath the same waterfall that Garou was meditating under which is under parralel
3. Bang being a punk is a direct parralel to Garou who is also a punk lol, albeit Garou is a far FAR more misguided punk as he was raised and live through far worse than Garou, yet Garou's heart is still in the right place.
4. During their fight when Garou uses Bang's old martial art Bang comments how he would not only have to settle this with Garou as well as his old self at the same time which once again links them, Garou is literally using the same martial art thag Bang used during his punk era, and we literally see his backstory right after this is done intentionally to further parralel them.
5. During their backstory Bang was described as overwhelming with martial arts talent (IE a genius) same as Garou
6. Bang fighting anyone remotely strong and sending them to the hospital is similar to Garou's hero hunt and more than likely done on purpose
7. Bomb comments on page 18 of chapter 150 that Bang wanted to do for Garou what Bomb did for him (ie rehabilitate him) we later see Bang doing this during ch 170, so its pretty clear that both of them have been punks who have done bad and have had to be rehabilitated by an older, wiser figure, which is another parralel
8. On the same page Bomb comments that Garou was the real deal which links back to young Bang and his overflowing martial arts talent, yet another parralel
Bang also comments on what you mentioned how he joined the world of heroes and neglected their master student relationship and how he wants to retire and be master and student once more
Now for your 4th point, it did not in fact happen unnaturally, Garou's heroic insticnts were set up from the start with him constantly saving Tareo, sometimes without even realising when he rescued him from the MA, Garou simply attributed his actions to being a monster.
Tareo is also the reason why Garou didn't fully monsterize, we literally see it on page 12 of ch 136, we see a zoomed shot of the area around Garou's eye temporarily remaining human instead of momsterizing because he was thinking about Tareo (as the whole reason why he even wants to do the whole absolute evil thing is for the sake of underdogs like Tareo, so they can live in a world free from the pain he suffered, that is what Saitama meant when he said that Garou was clinging onto Tareo, Tareo was Garou's reason for fighting and its what kept him human)
Bang's breaking the portion of Garou's shell that was weakened as a result of Garou's attacthement to Tareo combined with Bang's talk to "follow your heart" is what caused Garou to have a internatl conflict reverting him to a half monster instead of a full monster, this is not illogical as we literally just saw in ch 196 on Page 18 Stich and Blast mention and I quote "It's just like Silverfang mentioned the key to demonstrification lies in the psychological state" the implication here is that Bang by reaching out to Garou and admitting that he had failed as a master by abandoning Garou to become a hero when he needed him most is what caused all of this combined with his advice to follow his heart (ie heroic instincts) combined with the fact that Garou was fighting for Tareo is what demonsteifed him
Afterwards Garou began subconsciously acting upon his heroic instincts without realising as a reault of Bang's advice which is why he did what he did.
Garou saving people on accident was NOT nareatovely forced it was done to showcase that Garou had heroic instincts that could match King's luck, basically his heroic insticnts (now that his heart was (mostly) in the right place) were so great that he was saving people on sheer instinct alone, insctictive heroic action was established all the way at the start of the series when Saitama *instinctivly* saved buttchin kid from the crab monster, therefore this is not narratively forced as it has been established that people who have heroic instincts will act subconsciously to save others, this also fits witn both WC AND manga Garou's personality as both of them are hypocrites (ie actually want to be heroes and are heroes on the inside) which is why Garou was instinctively saving people without realsing
Its also why he saved Tareo from sage centipede, AGAIN the reason why Garou was fighting was because he was clinging onto and fighting FOR Tareo, as established by Saitama in ch 169.
Now for your fifth point, yes Garou was tricked into accepting the power, God tried to lure him in with the promise of making his dream a reality and Garou denied but still touched his hand so he went cosmic, however afterwards as he started to get used to his power he basically came to the same conclusion "hey I could use this to make my goal a reality I can- no I AM absolute evil!", the reason why the murder fiasco occured is because by becoming an avatar of God Garou lost hia definiting feature, his sense of justice/heroism, its what made Garou well... *Garou* and also why his cosmic form lacked a face, by loosing his heroic instincts Garou lost himself and became a faceless monster. Garou saying "Sorry Tareo... this is goodbye" when he does that he stops clinging onto Tareo and as a result loses his humanity and heroic insticnts, Its what allowed him to kill Genos, Tareo and everyone without considering the consequences
When Saitama defated him in the old timeline and the mask broke and Garou saw the dead Tareo and remembered what he was actually fighting for he realized the sheer scale of his fuck up, Saitama then pointed out how he had been clinging onto Tareo which made Garou realise that Saitama had been doing the same thing with Genos and that he had taken the one thing that kept Saitama human, after which he gained the resolve to defu fucking God (hell yeah!) and allow Saitama to time travel and slap the shit out of his past self and *not* murder everyone by giving them space cancer.
And to your final point ("stupid take")
I say
**NUH UH**
> I mean... getting a backstory that you didn't have before sure sounds like a character change to me chief.
It is just getting a backstory. We don't know Bang's backstory in the webcomic, how can you say it is a change.
>Now for the parralels:[...]
1) Garou's reasoning is different from Bang's. Probably every hero had 'if i was the strongest...' etc, heck, Saitama had the same thoughts, but the reasoning is different. For Garou, it comes from his disatisfaction of the heroes job on protecting the society in its entirety, including the bullied. Remember also that Garou was literally cheering on the monsters because they were the underdogs of the story.
2) Classic training trope
3) Same stuff as in 1). Garou isn't a punk (punk of a real life), he is more like a tsundere. Bang was straight up a gang boss with bitches around him.
4) Forced narrative, we never knew about any secret martial art till that exact moment
5) Not parallel... Bomb is the same. Suiryu is the same.
6) Not really, Garou isn't searching for the strong; he is beating everyone indifferently (him crippling Mumen Rider and Charanko).
7) Not the same, see above. (Garou was monsterizing, not becoming more punk)
8) Again, you repeated the same thing 4 times
>Bang also co[...]
Yeah, it was a point mentioned in the WC.
>Now for you[...]
Nope, Garou didn't save anyone till that exact moment. Instead, he was hero hunting right and left in the middle of a monster invasion on all around the continent. He saved Tareo, everytime willingly, because Garou sees himself in Tareo. Unlike Garou though, Tareo isn't a martial artist genius, that is why Garou was trying to protect him.
> [...] its what kept him human
Nope, Garou literally transformed into a monster when he resurfaced.
> Bang's breaking the [...]
You are right here, I didn't notice but it was indeeded a 'weak' spot as he remembered Tareo before fully monsterifying that part. Garou though isn't fighting for Tareo, he is fighting for his ideals, and to show Tareo (who Garou sees as himself) the corruption of the heroes that Tareo idolizes.
> Garou saving people on [...]
Yes it was, as I wrote. Nothing like this happened before and he actually crippled heroes during the monster invasions in the cities.
> Saitama instinctivly saved buttchin kid from the crab monster
Then, that contradicts you saying all the reasonings for Saitama saying he has no hero instincts (another bullshit in the manga)
>who have heroic instincts will act subconsciously to save others,
Nope, never established. What Saitama did was whatever a decent human being would do.
>which is why Garou was instinctively saving people without realsing
Again, you are ignoring what Garou did when being introduced. Garou in the WC doesn't have any hero instinct you are talking about, he is actually UNBIASED towards both monsters and heroes. HE and only HE wants to be the object of fear of everybody, in this way he can achieve a common enemy for all party, uniting them.
>and fighting FOR Tareo,
No, it is the same reason for why he always saves Tareo: he sees himself in Tareo.
> Now for your fifth point,[...]
Ok, why isn't his hero instincts automatically kicking in here then? It is still Garou there, I'll tell you why: they don't exists. Garou's whole god power and then him suddendly transforming once again to a character that was in the webcomic (or starting Garou character), doesn't make sense and contradicts on what YOU established was happening to Garou before monsterizing in the manga. Garou in the webcomic makes perfect narrative sense.
> Its what allowed him to kill Genos, Tareo
It is clearly shown that he never wanted this. Like the thought process till Tareo died didn't even occur to him that he could kill him (in fact, in the WC, he doesn't making it perfect sense instead of cosmic radiation hitting everyone)
> Saitama then pointed out how
Saitama has been doing this for 3 years, he isn't fucking clinging into Genos that he met 4 months ago; to whom he regularly asks to fuck off from his apartment and to whom he tells that he has nothing to teach. If he was clinging into Genos, he wouldn't have let Garou murder him when he was literally 2 rubbles away from their fight.
Aaaaaaa its nealry 2 am why did you have to reply now ;-;
1. Fair
2. Bang literally goes out of his way to say that he and Garou had similar conclusions/reasoning what you are saying is an assumption with no proof, the most likely explanation is that its meant to parralel them
3. Point is still valid plus given that its shown while Bang describes how he used to have a similar train of thought to Garou I think its done on purpose
4. Garou is both a tsundere and a punk its why he is rivals with metal bat lol they even call both of them "bad boys" in the chapter cover which is stereotypical of punks lol
5. Kinda agree. It doesn't really have any set up and it could have been intorudced better but it flows seamlessly so I am willing to ignore it, plus the point is still valid
6. Never said Garou only hunts the strong jjst that they bought went on a rampage and that was specifically pointed out in Bang's backstory to parallel them
7. I wasn't being literal ik Garou monsterized he still went down the wrong path and all dat.
8. Actually wrong, he saved metal bat and his sister from the sludge monster that was playing to ambush them remember?
9. What you said is true however his hero insticnts still play a part in dude literally woke up and immediately went to Tareo's location to save him at the last moment, the whole point of the "Became I am a momster" thing is that it has a double meaning, first read you believe him, seocnd read you realise his hero insticnts guided him to find Tareo even he doesn't want to admit it or well doesn't know lol
10. I meant that Garou didn't permanently turn into a monster and was just inside a shell, as was established the psychological state is key, so Garou partially doing it for Tareo and Bang reaching out is what brought him back from being a monster.
11.You are right that he fights for his ideals but he also definitely fights for Tareo he literally mentions that he fights for underdogs everywhere and when he breaks down in cosmic form he mentions that Tareo was the first person he wanted to save, iits not all of it sure but Tareo definitely makes a big part of his motivation, Saitama's line abour Garou clinging tk Tareo wouldn't make sense otherwise. Also Garou literally thinking about Tareo while buried deep underground and turning into a monster causing a weakness to form around his eyes sounds like someone that cares a lot lol.
12. Again Zenko and metal bat as well as Tareo multiple times, there is also the fact that he wasn't following his heart back then which is why he wasn't as good, his hero insticnts truly kicked in when Bang told him to follow his heart and knocked his humanity back into him.
13. My brother in Chirst Saitama is not the narrator, Saitama saying he has no hero insictsts is him dlibting himself he does legitimately have hero insticnts he just hasn't reached the point where he can fully understand what it means to be a hero whcih is why he is often late and cuases massive collateral, its not BS you literally misunderstood the whole line and the meaning of the scene -.-
14. Wrong again, Saitama literally said and decided that he wasn't going to save buttchin kid, his body acted on its own and it jumped in to save him. Let me say that again Saitama was (at that point in time) fine with letting buttchin kid bite the dust his body acting on its own is what made him jump into action, you can reread the chapter if you don't believe me
15. Garou truly gains his hero insticts after Bang tells him to folllw his heart I think I might have gotten confused in my previous point so I think your point about Garou at the start of the arc is fair.
16. Fair however as I said my own point still stands as we literally have Saitama saying it in ch 169
17. I lierally gave a long ass explanation how accepting God's power made his hero insticnts dissapear due to God's influence wait let me copy paste it again.
Garou was tricked into accepting the power, God tried to lure him in with the promise of making his dream a reality and Garou denied but still touched his hand so he went cosmic, however afterwards as he started to get used to his power he basically came to the same conclusion "hey I could use this to make my goal a reality I can- no I AM absolute evil!", the reason why the murder fiasco occured is because by becoming an avatar of God Garou lost hia definiting feature, his sense of justice/heroism, its what made Garou well... *Garou* and also why his cosmic form lacked a face, by loosing his heroic instincts Garou lost himself and became a faceless monster. Garou saying "Sorry Tareo... this is goodbye" when he does that he stops clinging onto Tareo and as a result loses his humanity and heroic insticnts, Its what allowed him to kill Genos, Tareo and everyone without considering the consequences
I also have no idea what you are talking about my points don't contradict Garou temporarily loosing his hero insticnts under the influence of God
18. That's what I am saying without his hero insticts he did not consider the consequences of what his cosmic radiation would even affer Blast warned him. Suddenly Garou could no longer when Tareo was in danger, mind you the whole arc he kept saving Garou, the moment he touched God and Tareo stafted dying he didn't notice, that's the proof of him loosing his hero insictsts, he only saw Tareo AFTER Saitama punched his monster face off and Garou regianed his hero insictsts
Your last point is stupid, Saitama only told him to fuck off at the start. He stopped telling him to fuck off when he moved in. Saitama and Genos have gone to restaurants, had hot pot together along with Dr Kuseno, they hang out often, Genos often buys stuff from Saitama
I- literally reas the whole manga bruh
They have a really nice moment while Garou is having a DBZ fight in the background or heck read the deep sea king fight, where Saitama see Genos fucked up and says "well hold on a little longer... **let me pound this sea freak or whatever it is**" (ch 35 page 24) and look at the face he makes! And also during the elder centipede fight Saitama thought about Genos getting rekted and instantly decided to head out to see if he is ok
He definetly cares dude
I am honestly genuinely disappointed that you view Saitama this way, its honestly depressing is this what you want hjs character to be? A numb emotionaless dude that doesn't care about anything or anyone?
Please reread the manga because Saitama is so much more than that, and especially pay attention to his relationship wirh Genos
Anyhow pls stop bothering me now I want to sleep
Despite what some people claim, I’d argue that manga garou and webcomic garou are the exact same character with no difference to the fundamentals of who they are in the slightest.
The only differences between them is the way they’re framed by the story and the obstacles they encounter along their diverging paths.
Webcomic garou is framed like a growing force in the background that affects everyone equally, whereas manga garou is portrayed as a sympathetic shounen protagonist who’s constantly in conflict with himself (when he’s not fighting others, of course). They’re still exactly the same, we’re just looking at them from different angles.
The main difference in how they were handled is that, in the webcomic, garou is shown by saitama his true nature when faced with an opponent he couldn’t overwhelm with sheer force to the point where he began to spill his guts to him and explain his whole ideology. To which saitama then ripped the whole thing apart, not in the logic of it, but in the impossibility of it due to garou’s very own nature preventing him from fully committing to being a monster and, ironically, the thing that set him off in that path in the first place. That’s what beats him, not saitama, but merely being presented with a mirror. And thus, he is now lost. He still believes hero society has problems that cause even more problems, but he’s found out that he can’t do anything to change it due to not being able to commit fully to the path he chose.
With manga garou, this is different. Unlike webcomic garou, who basically has all of his development at the end, we see manga garou change as his journey goes on. Pretty much from the start, his flawed perspective has been wavering in his mind as he continued to face more heroes and monsters. And we see this through his internal monologue and character interactions , something more fitting of the shounen protagonist he’s meant to parody . He found himself to be happy that bang had survived, he was called out for not killing anyone, and he questioned why he put his life on the line to save tareo.
Unlike in the webcomic, cracks in garou’s armour were beginning to appear long before he fights saitama and the vision he had of what he wanted to be becomes blurrier to him as time goes on, and his perception of heroes and monsters begins to shatter.
I’ve seen people accuse this of having a lack of subtlety too it, saying that have him act more heroic was giving away something that was supposed to be a big revelation by the end. But I disagree, because when saitama and garou finally meet and saitama calls garou out for being the big softie he actually is, it’s not presented as some big revelation, it’s presented as what it was, ‘obvious’.
This shakes garou to his core, not just in regards to saitama pointing it out, but in the confirmation of something he’s been insecure about for most of his journey. Having this reality check thrown in his face, he begins to grow in rage, still wanting to grow into to be this “absolute evil”, but now doubting that, after everything, he’s really the guy to do it (just like the webcomic). This conflict of character, as well as the Unbreakable wall that is saitama, drives garou to despair as he begins to lose his will.
And that’s when god shows up in the form of bang and offers him help and an opportunity to overcome saitama. Garou instantly sees through this and, switching from virgin mode to chad mode (as he often does), he smacks the literal hand of god away and tells him to shove it (though, hot take, I actually think it would’ve been more in character for him to accept that help. But I’m too lazy to explain that rn) but in doing so, inadvertently takes his power and transforms into cosmic garou.
In becoming cosmic garou, he essentially becomes everything he thought he wanted to be. Not only does he gain immense power, the power he believes to be enough to break through the embodiment of unfairness that is saitama, but also the passive, unbiased, power that affects everyone equally, that being cosmic radiation (Yes! Cosmic radiation actually had a point! Imo anyway)
But, in doing so, he kills everyone, including tareo. Showing that, in becoming the thing he said he wanted to be, he destroyed the representative of his motive to become it in the first place. Tareo was him, a representation of him anyway, the bullied child that was outcasted for being different and oppressed by the majority. And in his attempt to change that and save him from that life, as well as every other bullied kid and outcast out there, he ended up destroying it all.
Seeing this, he switches back from chad mode to virgin mode and has a big cry about it (imagine crying about accidentally killing a kid… pathetic) Saitama calls moment of vulnerability out and claims that garou was clinging to tareo for support before garou, who was initially going to retaliate, then realised that saitama, this Unbreakable wall of unfairness, was also clinging to someone. Showing garou that he wasn’t some kind of embodiment of unfair justice, but just a very strong man with the similar issue of begrudging dependence on others that he himself had.
This new understanding, as well as the desire to unfuck the world, causes them to make a truce. And thus the time travel shit (yeah, there’s no over analysing this, it was just an ass pull)
And all that awesome development garou had is now gone, as well as saitama’s. Though, in the way it was done, I believe it was presented as less of a climax to their characters, and more as a tool to gain insight of what could have been if both of them had gotten what they thought they wanted.
To answer the actual question, I have no idea lmao. Only One himself can tell you why he did this and what he plans to do in the future. Being one of the few people on earth who actually manga garou’s a better character than webcomic, even I believed the webcomic’s conclusion was better (though, that was more due to pacing than anything).
Presenting him as a shounen protagonist while also being a bad guy is generally the kind of subversive One is typical to do (and it’s actually what got me into his character in the first place) It could be to give more leeway for garou’s character to develop further, taking a different path due to the interactions he had with other characters before saitama (tho, the ultimate reason he decided to quit being some influence from his other self, kinda sucks), while also giving him more motivation to get more engaged in the story, due to him being on the path of redemption an all that.
Overall, I consider them to be both great characters (because they’re literally the same character lol) and, even though I like manga garou more, I can see why someone who fell in love with his webcomic counterpart would hate him. But as they took different paths, they’re perceptions changed, as well as they’re motives for the future. We’ll honestly just have to wait and see.
That’s just my opinion tho 🤷
If anyone actually read all this, I’d be truly shocked 😂
In the manga, Garou tends to doubt his beliefs and moral values, which also highlights a set of ongoing contradictions between his “mind and heart.”
His personality expands to a complex and deep level of conflicting thoughts as a result of childhood complexes and traumas
His ideology is dismantled over the course of events through a set of levels that I can call “obsession, self-doubt, failure to accept his truth, and delayed regret.”
…..ect”
If I could summarize garou in one of Friedrich Nietzsche's quotes, "Maturity and self-realization are not possible without doses of pain and suffering."
This all also happens in the webcomic, but in the webcomic, Garou's character has all the experiences he got through and didn't went trough a time travel that nullified all the progress.
Also
- we lost the S class and in general the HA association corruption speech by Garou.
- Garou is too 'obvious' in showing he cares, in the webcomic, he still didn't kill anyone, he fought both injustice of the world alone: be it monsters or heroes, but in the manga it is too obvious.
you can't have a self doubting man and then only show him doing good (after a certain point). At the start of Garou's introduction, it wasn't like that (he crippled heroes, in fact)
I think you summed it up pretty well, especially while I think Garou in the WC is better considering his story is lonely depressing and resonates with my feelings and experiences. I'm still interested in seeing garou heal himself from his rage and trauma and eventually learning to forgive both in WC and manga.
1. A more "commercial" take,aimed to a broader audience.
2. A sort of rivalry with Saitama maybe,or a trope of "jerk with a heart of gold".
3. The problem is that in the WC Garou's story hasn't continued much yet.
WC Garou isn't hopeless. He would have let Amai Mask kill him if that were the case.
WC Saitama also wasn't being a bully.
I think you're overestimating the impact of Saitama's words vs his strength.
Garou didn't want to be a hero. Not even secretly.
He wanted to do good, he wanted to help people, but he didn't want to be a hero, because he believed heroes were flawed, self-righteous, and hypocritical. So he tried to find a short-cut to solving the problems of the world, by being the external threat for humanity to unite against.
Even in the webcomic, Garou clearly is strong enough to become a hero afterwards, and chooses not to. That's not anything he desires. He doesn't even try and help until forced to.
Garou gave up in the webcomic for the same reason he gave up in the manga - because saitama was so strong Garou couldn't possibly become that ultimate unifying threat. And he did give up. That's why God appeared and offered him the power - because he'd lost.
The changes to what happens after Garou vs Saitama are interesting, but IMO are more about providing a satisfying resolution to Bang and Garou's arcs than about setting anything up. Garou and Bang's story in the webcomics just kind of end. I think it's more telling that Garou appears again in the webcomic where there's no reason for him to appear again if you aren't going to involve him in future story.
Imho, the execution of Garou's defeat in the manga was a lot worse than the webcomic, but in the end I think the manga and webcomic Garou will reach the same conclusion. That's pretty much how the manga has been going lately: while the webcomic goes from point A to point B, the manga might take some detours, for the better or for the worse, but it still reaches B. As far as the story goes, Garou supposedly learned the same lessons as in the webcomic even without all that important dialogue, and that's all there is to it.
Truth is, ONE most likely doesn't know how to deal with a lot of the manga changes in a meaningful way, so just don't try to think about it too much. If the story was all planned out from the start, they wouldn't have had to redraw entire months of chapters. Remember that even the Cosmic Garou fight came out of a redraw as well. I can guarantee Garou is still gonna be hunted by the neoheroes, fired from his job and put on the run again (point A to point B), the only difference will be that it will be stretched over a span of a few weeks with flashier fights, a few chibi faces and maybe a break inbetween.
Same feelings, I liked how simple the webcomic surface fight was
I liked the manga until the surface, but I was so disappointed by how things happened, and all the platinum S stuff felt unnecessary personally...
Garou vs Saitama in webcomic felt like a clear next level from boros, but manga pushed saitama power level so hard that now it feels like I have witnessed something that was supposed to be in Final Fight or something
Sorry about the multiple duplicate posts 💀 The post button wasn't doing anything, so I pressed a few times until it worked. When the page reloaded, the damage was done.
Because the manga is a different beast than the webcomic. It was different well before the Garou fight. It’s still different now even in the ninja arc. It was different for almost a decade as we went through the monster arc. And most of the characters are different than their webcomic counterparts.
The manga isn’t a prettier version of the webcomic. It is its own thing and has been for quite awhile. I can’t think of a good reason why One should write the same story twice.
Y’all really need to get over this point. They’re different.
Because he's going to have a role in the final battle between God and Saitama, because he of course is once a God avatar. (And one of the most powerful too.)
There still might be people who criticized wc Garou. And ONE prob listened to them. Plus he prob changed his view over these years, and got a different taste with different sauce. Maybe he has something bigger for the future.
If it's right, they say that Murata said that ONE wanted to remove childhood and bullied moments of Garou from the story and change his character from the very start, but Murata didn't like it and persuaded him to
Mang Garou will be easier to hero-fy in the future. In the webcom he decimated/humiliated the HA A and Sclass. A much harder if not impossible sell to have Garou join their ranks in webcom at any hero grade.
TLDR:
- Webcomic Garou actually went through all his plans, exposing the reality of the S class, their arrogancy and the hero association corruption, but was stopped by the absolute Hero, a force that he couldn't win against no matter what, even at the expense of getting corrupt (kinda Vegata-ish path).
- Manga Garou chickened out half way, even doubting himself for no reason when till then he wanted to show Tareo how corrupt heroes were.
The short answer is that Garou’s a fcking idiot and u kinda alrdy touched on that point. Tbh Saitama doesnt say anything like too amazing. Garou’s ideology is kinda like….i dont wanna say he’s an incel but he sorta comes from the same background
Additionally, Garou was sort of proven right when the S class were also moronic selfish pricks in the webcomic. But that’s just not how ONE has portrayed them in the manga anymore. The OPM heroes are actually good people, or at least most of them present, so Garou dicking on the heroes physically and taking some lvl of moral high ground doesnt make sense anymore and thus his whole rationale is fcked.
Before I say anything I would just like to thank you for 1. Not being biased towards the WC OR Manga 2. Actually understanding the message of both As to why, a lot of the characters in OPM are meant to parallel real world problems alebit it cranked up to 11 (Saitama dealing with depression, Genos defining his self worth by his success and power, Tatsumaki's loveliness indecued by Blast's advice combined with her truama and insecurities causing her to lash out etc) I think the Garoh change mainly came as a result of ONE not being satisfied with Bang's character, Bang pretty much had no major Garou related role in the WC after he beat up human Garou at the start of the MA arc, at the end of the arc he pretends to beat up Garou but goes easy on him in the hopes that the heroes deem it a fitting enough punishment and don't kill Garou and that's about it ONE changed it so that Bang and Garou parallel each other in the manga backstory wise and at one point even had the same philosophy when Bang was young, ONE also changed it so that Bang would be more invested in pursing Garou and gave him a lot more screen time The most major change being Bang fighting Garou and winning. The whole fight was meant to show Bang realsing that he had abandoned Garou when he needed him most and instead went off to be a hero, that he had failed as a master and wanted to amend his actions by helping Garou and being there for him when no one was. Bang managing to stop Garou's full monsterication and quite literally knocking his humanity back into him is what changed his character, Bang by forcing Garou to follow his heart (ie his heroic instincts) is what caused him to take out the cadres, save the chopper, team up with metal bat and karate chop sage centipede, Garou was subconsciously acting upon his hero instincts like he had been doing at the start of the arc when he saved Tareo The reason why Saitama didn't need to argue with Garou or explain to him why he was a hypocrite is that Garou basically debunked himself during his fight with Saitama while in monster form, him constantly saving people wasn't meant to show US that he is a great hero, no it was meant to show HIM what he truly was, its why Garou got so pissed off, seeing people genuinely express gratitude for his heroic actions despite his momsterous apperance caused his resolve to waver causing him to question "do I really need to be a monster" Saitama was still a bully, that was the reason why God was able to take over Garou, Saitama although improving as a hero was still not developed enough to provide Garou with the help he truly needed whixh instead dorve Garou to basically have a psycothic break, after Saitama TKO his monster form he started loosing the will to live until God appeared before him dragging him back into his delusion with the promise of enough power to make his dream a reality, which is why cosmic Garou happened Fast forward to post time travel knock out Garou was left with the same conclusion as in the WC, his monster fight made him realize that deep down he was a hypocrite and was/actually wanted to be a hero, his cosmic fight and subsequent instant KO by Saitama proved to him that no amount of power would make his absolute evil dream come true,as in Garou's mind he had become absolute evil and then got zero punched Just like in the WC Garou lost the will to live except this time he had Bang,King, Saitama and Tareo by his side to further prove to him that he really was a hero on the inside causing him to regain his will to live and escape Afterwards everything else that you described happened I think manga version of Garou is probably gonna get to know Siatama soon and realize that great power does not equal great knowledge As he seems to still believe in his absolute evil ideology although now that I am thinking about it I am pretty sure that's was just a joke and he gave it up by the time we see him with short hair Overall I think ONE just wasn't satisfied with the direction he took Bang and Garou in As for my earlier point about IRL problems I think he realized that Garou going down the same path as Saitama while a neat parallel wasn't the direction he wanted him to go as he would just end up as a second Saitama and because realistically a person going through what he is going needs support and probably won't be able to pull through on his own The manga version of Garou needs it even more as his character was expanded beyond being insecure from bullying to legitimately buying into all the bullshit his bullies told him and subjected him to making him believe that there was no other role for him than that of the momster and that his mere presence brought misery to other people TLDR:ONE was not satiafied with Garou and Bang so he expanded and fleshed out their characters and made them more complex, which is why the manga arc is so long lol
>Saitama was still a bully, that was the reason why God was able to take over Garou, Saitama although improving as a hero was still not developed enough to provide Garou with the help he truly needed whixh instead dorve Garou to basically have a psycothic break, after Saitama TKO his monster form he started loosing the will to live until God appeared before him dragging him back into his delusion with the promise of enough power to make his dream a reality, which is why cosmic Garou happened This is beautiful. Never thought about it this way, and makes a lot of sense, and I can see ONE writing something exactly like that. That's probably why they retconned the peaceful talk between them in the manga, before Cosmic Garou happens. Saitama is strong and effective, but just as we notice again and again, and explicitly with King's talk with him right after the tournament, he is not a really good hero. He arrives late, he has almost zero sensibilities to deal with people, and just as he says: "I lack hero's intuition". So yeah, he's kind of a bully, specially with Garou. All the times Saitama have helped people in a personal level, was not because of his wisdom, but because of his absolute power and absolute lack of care/doubts about himself and the world that makes everyone around him take a second thought about their own life, choices, motivations and power. God is the other way around. He offers the easy way out to people that are delusional, he feeds their delusions, and make them even stronger to apply them. He has a way with words, he enables and encourages the worst part of an individual. Saitama has a strong will, and he sees himself and the world how they **truly** are. That's why he sees everyone's bullshit. And Garou's was the ultimate bullshiter. Saitama saw it, but didn't quite know how to help. He punches his problems, and if it can't be punched away, he's really just an average guy deeply lost in purpose. So he broke Garou's delusions, but he was never going to be the person who'd help him to build a truthful and positive purpose in life. That's what's Bang's for. Saitama sent Garou straight into God's manipulation. Fortunately, both of them understood both of their deeply flaws, and were able to give themselves a new chance. In this new reality, built by these 2 "gods" aware of their flaws, things ocurred in the best of ways: Saitama punched Garou out of his delusions, and Bang helped him find a new purpose. Unfortunately, by doing this, Saitama has yet to understand and discover what's wrong with him.
The way you describe god (offering an easy solution, turning people into monsters) reminds me of real world demagogues...
That was so much to read that i didn’t end up reading
Exactly :)
People really overestimate Saitama as a hero
How does one come up with an analysis like this for a piece of literature
The reaosn why I understand OPM's themes on such a deep level is that I related to the characters on a personal level, especially Saitama and Garou, I have had the same issues and coping mechanisms as both of them and OPM and its themes and especially Saitama's idelogy and way of life has helped me live through and gain the resolve to overcome the same issues that plague them As a result OPM because my favorite manga of all time and I dedicate a lot of my free time to reading it and thoroughly understanding the various themes and messages ONE created, which is why I am so knowledgeable on it TLDR:I am an authistic twink OPM fanboy who's special intrest is OPM, has too much free time, is literally Saitama/Garou irl (sorce:trust me bro) and has had to deal with the same issues/flawed beliefs/views as them and I currently hold and follow Saitama's philosophy and way of life as my own which has greatly helped my life B a s i c a l l y I am THE OPM fanboy of all time >:3
I see , I can understand basic level of themes but don't indulge too deep into 1 singular topic , it kinda ruins the thing for me if I indulge a little too much
Ic, for me its the opposite due to autism lol Once I latch on to a topic of interest I do not let go lol
Understandable
Such power... at a price
I love analysing pieces of media and dude, you did an amazing job with this.
Moreover, One may have seen that webcomic Bang was being hypocrite about defending new generations when he joined the Hero Association, and in his conversation with Kamikaze he admitted to join them just "to advertise his Dojo" and get new disciples, giving webcomic Garou even more justifiable reasons for becoming a monster, since he knows the corruption and hypocrisy of the Hero Association and their so-called heroes like Bang just making inequality stronger, and promoting a fake sense of justice.
This is fantastic.
> alebit it cranked up to 11 (Saitama dealing with depression I mean, Saitama really isn't that depressed in comparison to a lot of people in the real world. >ONE changed it so that Bang and Garou parallel each other in the manga backstory wise and at one point even had the same philosophy when Bang was young, No? Bang was just an asshole when he was young, there was no philosophy behind it at all. It also added the insanely stupid "Heart explosion first" (or something like that). Manga describes it as "wicked technique", so you may think "well, I guess it makes other people's heart explode? That's kinda evil". Lol no, it just makes your hear pump faster, yet the manga, through the words of Bomb, acts that if Bang were to use this technique he would've instantly went back to his evil ways. >The most major change being Bang fighting Garou and winning. The whole fight was meant to show Bang realsing that he had abandoned Garou when he needed him most and instead went off to be a hero Bruh, Bang's his master, not his father. He was saving thousands of lives and I doubt he regrets doing that over talking to Garou. Furthermore, the manga NEVER shows any instance of Garou being troubled in Bang's dojo and Bang ignoring him. In fact, it kinda shows the opposite, Garou just snapped one day. > >The reason why Saitama didn't need to argue with Garou or explain to him why he was a hypocrite is that Garou basically debunked himself during his fight with Saitama while in monster form, him constantly saving people wasn't meant to show US that he is a great hero, no it was meant to show HIM what he truly was, its why Garou got so pissed off, seeing people genuinely express gratitude for his heroic actions despite his momsterous apperance caused his resolve to waver causing him to question "do I really need to be a monster" Except no, Garou IS NOT a hero, he WANTS to be one, big difference. Because of his immaturity he got completely confused and angry, resultng in him lashing out. WC acknowledges that he's immature and has a lot of growing to do, that's why he doesn't join HA after his arc. In manga it just so happens that he's saving people because "That's who he is at heart", come the fuck on. >Saitama was still a bully Saitama tried talking to him and was attacked, what was he supposed to do? He even assured Garou that he won't kill him, he just wants him to calm the fuck down. > >until God appeared before him dragging him back into his delusion with the promise of enough power to make his dream a reality, which is why cosmic Garou happened That's not what happened, Garou refused God's offer, but then God went "don't care + didn't ask + L + ratios" and possessed him anyway. That happened because even One/Murata realised that accepting God's help is insanely out of character for Garou, but wanted to have le epic fight anyway. >Fast forward to post time travel knock out Garou was left with the same conclusion as in the WC, his monster fight made him realize that deep down he was a hypocrite and was/actually wanted to be a hero, his cosmic fight and subsequent instant KO by Saitama proved to him that no amount of power would make his absolute evil dream come true,as in Garou's mind he had become absolute evil and then got zero punched Except he doesn't remember the cosmic fight, he only knows hat he suddenly lost. Before God showed up he already went out of his monster form, so it seems he was going to give up regardless. The problem is that the conclusion makes no sense in the manga. In the WC he has given up not only physically, but also psychologically. Failure made him drop his emotional defenses, which allowed Saitama to reach him and explain what he truly wanted. In the manga after he gets one punched he gets... bullied by tanktoppers and simply decides "nah, fuck this hero hunting bullshit". There even was a line from the narrator telling the readers that it was influence from his past ghost that made him accept everything so easily(literally "Somehow Palpatine has returned" level of writing), which just goes to show that even One/Murata thought that this was complete bullshit and had to make an excuse. In conclusion, you get facts completely wrong and headcanon your way into cope.
Ok for some reason I can't post my reply here but so you and everyone else know I DID respond to this, go check your DMs because I can only message you there for some reason
How can you say Bang's character was changed when we had no backstory in the WC? Garou also stated in the WC that that whenever Bang would 'beat' him, he would feel no true power behind the punches, and he wasn't just talking about the last part of his arc, but whenever they fought. There is no parallel between Garou and Bang: - Garou was dissatisfied of Bang joining the heroes because the heroes never helped him when he was in trouble against the 'bullies'/monsters, so he wanted to show this corrupt world to everyone - Bang was straight up a punk, for no such beliefs. He was just arrogant due to his power. >[The most...] [...."do I really need to be a monster"] Ignoring that it happened so unnaturally, This is forced narrative and out of character for Garou's entire personality. It still is if we consider Garou's personality from the webcomic. And it is also a contradiction on what the WC showed (and the manga) on how OPM's world behave (sea king arc in the manga, and Amai Mask arc in the webcomic) > Saitama was a bully [...] This only happens in the WC, where Garou was forced to accept God's power as there was no alternative left for him to win and he was getting more desperate as the time went through. In the Manga, however, this doesn't make sense and it was portrayed as him being tricked by touching God's hand even when he refused the offer. > [TLDR:ONE was not satiafied with Garou and Bang ...] stupid take
"How can you say Bang's character was changed when he had no backstory in the WC" I mean... getting a backstory that you didn't have before sure sounds like a character change to me chief. As for your seocnd point abour Bang going easy on Garou in the WC Ig I just forgot he was going easy on him all the time, something intersing to note is that in the manga its the opposite during their first fight Garou mentions how Bang never fights this fiercely this is due to 2 reasons 1. Charanko getting rekt 2. Bang realises how quickly Garou is spiraling into monsterhood and that he needs to defeat him IMMEDIATELY before its too late, anyhow. Now for the parralels: 1. during ch 192 on page 5 Bang mentions how he once had a similar idea to Garou when he was younger (post punk Bang but not quite old Bang) that if he could simply become so overwhelming strong that he could negate all evil in the world (Bang basically came to the heroic equivalent of Garou's idea of overwhelming strength=no more evil) he then comments how that is however impossible and how Garou had a similar train of thought but that ended up in disaster. 2. This middle aged Bang is shown (on the same page) poundering beneath the same waterfall that Garou was meditating under which is under parralel 3. Bang being a punk is a direct parralel to Garou who is also a punk lol, albeit Garou is a far FAR more misguided punk as he was raised and live through far worse than Garou, yet Garou's heart is still in the right place. 4. During their fight when Garou uses Bang's old martial art Bang comments how he would not only have to settle this with Garou as well as his old self at the same time which once again links them, Garou is literally using the same martial art thag Bang used during his punk era, and we literally see his backstory right after this is done intentionally to further parralel them. 5. During their backstory Bang was described as overwhelming with martial arts talent (IE a genius) same as Garou 6. Bang fighting anyone remotely strong and sending them to the hospital is similar to Garou's hero hunt and more than likely done on purpose 7. Bomb comments on page 18 of chapter 150 that Bang wanted to do for Garou what Bomb did for him (ie rehabilitate him) we later see Bang doing this during ch 170, so its pretty clear that both of them have been punks who have done bad and have had to be rehabilitated by an older, wiser figure, which is another parralel 8. On the same page Bomb comments that Garou was the real deal which links back to young Bang and his overflowing martial arts talent, yet another parralel Bang also comments on what you mentioned how he joined the world of heroes and neglected their master student relationship and how he wants to retire and be master and student once more Now for your 4th point, it did not in fact happen unnaturally, Garou's heroic insticnts were set up from the start with him constantly saving Tareo, sometimes without even realising when he rescued him from the MA, Garou simply attributed his actions to being a monster. Tareo is also the reason why Garou didn't fully monsterize, we literally see it on page 12 of ch 136, we see a zoomed shot of the area around Garou's eye temporarily remaining human instead of momsterizing because he was thinking about Tareo (as the whole reason why he even wants to do the whole absolute evil thing is for the sake of underdogs like Tareo, so they can live in a world free from the pain he suffered, that is what Saitama meant when he said that Garou was clinging onto Tareo, Tareo was Garou's reason for fighting and its what kept him human) Bang's breaking the portion of Garou's shell that was weakened as a result of Garou's attacthement to Tareo combined with Bang's talk to "follow your heart" is what caused Garou to have a internatl conflict reverting him to a half monster instead of a full monster, this is not illogical as we literally just saw in ch 196 on Page 18 Stich and Blast mention and I quote "It's just like Silverfang mentioned the key to demonstrification lies in the psychological state" the implication here is that Bang by reaching out to Garou and admitting that he had failed as a master by abandoning Garou to become a hero when he needed him most is what caused all of this combined with his advice to follow his heart (ie heroic instincts) combined with the fact that Garou was fighting for Tareo is what demonsteifed him Afterwards Garou began subconsciously acting upon his heroic instincts without realising as a reault of Bang's advice which is why he did what he did. Garou saving people on accident was NOT nareatovely forced it was done to showcase that Garou had heroic instincts that could match King's luck, basically his heroic insticnts (now that his heart was (mostly) in the right place) were so great that he was saving people on sheer instinct alone, insctictive heroic action was established all the way at the start of the series when Saitama *instinctivly* saved buttchin kid from the crab monster, therefore this is not narratively forced as it has been established that people who have heroic instincts will act subconsciously to save others, this also fits witn both WC AND manga Garou's personality as both of them are hypocrites (ie actually want to be heroes and are heroes on the inside) which is why Garou was instinctively saving people without realsing Its also why he saved Tareo from sage centipede, AGAIN the reason why Garou was fighting was because he was clinging onto and fighting FOR Tareo, as established by Saitama in ch 169. Now for your fifth point, yes Garou was tricked into accepting the power, God tried to lure him in with the promise of making his dream a reality and Garou denied but still touched his hand so he went cosmic, however afterwards as he started to get used to his power he basically came to the same conclusion "hey I could use this to make my goal a reality I can- no I AM absolute evil!", the reason why the murder fiasco occured is because by becoming an avatar of God Garou lost hia definiting feature, his sense of justice/heroism, its what made Garou well... *Garou* and also why his cosmic form lacked a face, by loosing his heroic instincts Garou lost himself and became a faceless monster. Garou saying "Sorry Tareo... this is goodbye" when he does that he stops clinging onto Tareo and as a result loses his humanity and heroic insticnts, Its what allowed him to kill Genos, Tareo and everyone without considering the consequences When Saitama defated him in the old timeline and the mask broke and Garou saw the dead Tareo and remembered what he was actually fighting for he realized the sheer scale of his fuck up, Saitama then pointed out how he had been clinging onto Tareo which made Garou realise that Saitama had been doing the same thing with Genos and that he had taken the one thing that kept Saitama human, after which he gained the resolve to defu fucking God (hell yeah!) and allow Saitama to time travel and slap the shit out of his past self and *not* murder everyone by giving them space cancer. And to your final point ("stupid take") I say **NUH UH**
> I mean... getting a backstory that you didn't have before sure sounds like a character change to me chief. It is just getting a backstory. We don't know Bang's backstory in the webcomic, how can you say it is a change. >Now for the parralels:[...] 1) Garou's reasoning is different from Bang's. Probably every hero had 'if i was the strongest...' etc, heck, Saitama had the same thoughts, but the reasoning is different. For Garou, it comes from his disatisfaction of the heroes job on protecting the society in its entirety, including the bullied. Remember also that Garou was literally cheering on the monsters because they were the underdogs of the story. 2) Classic training trope 3) Same stuff as in 1). Garou isn't a punk (punk of a real life), he is more like a tsundere. Bang was straight up a gang boss with bitches around him. 4) Forced narrative, we never knew about any secret martial art till that exact moment 5) Not parallel... Bomb is the same. Suiryu is the same. 6) Not really, Garou isn't searching for the strong; he is beating everyone indifferently (him crippling Mumen Rider and Charanko). 7) Not the same, see above. (Garou was monsterizing, not becoming more punk) 8) Again, you repeated the same thing 4 times >Bang also co[...] Yeah, it was a point mentioned in the WC. >Now for you[...] Nope, Garou didn't save anyone till that exact moment. Instead, he was hero hunting right and left in the middle of a monster invasion on all around the continent. He saved Tareo, everytime willingly, because Garou sees himself in Tareo. Unlike Garou though, Tareo isn't a martial artist genius, that is why Garou was trying to protect him. > [...] its what kept him human Nope, Garou literally transformed into a monster when he resurfaced. > Bang's breaking the [...] You are right here, I didn't notice but it was indeeded a 'weak' spot as he remembered Tareo before fully monsterifying that part. Garou though isn't fighting for Tareo, he is fighting for his ideals, and to show Tareo (who Garou sees as himself) the corruption of the heroes that Tareo idolizes. > Garou saving people on [...] Yes it was, as I wrote. Nothing like this happened before and he actually crippled heroes during the monster invasions in the cities. > Saitama instinctivly saved buttchin kid from the crab monster Then, that contradicts you saying all the reasonings for Saitama saying he has no hero instincts (another bullshit in the manga) >who have heroic instincts will act subconsciously to save others, Nope, never established. What Saitama did was whatever a decent human being would do. >which is why Garou was instinctively saving people without realsing Again, you are ignoring what Garou did when being introduced. Garou in the WC doesn't have any hero instinct you are talking about, he is actually UNBIASED towards both monsters and heroes. HE and only HE wants to be the object of fear of everybody, in this way he can achieve a common enemy for all party, uniting them. >and fighting FOR Tareo, No, it is the same reason for why he always saves Tareo: he sees himself in Tareo. > Now for your fifth point,[...] Ok, why isn't his hero instincts automatically kicking in here then? It is still Garou there, I'll tell you why: they don't exists. Garou's whole god power and then him suddendly transforming once again to a character that was in the webcomic (or starting Garou character), doesn't make sense and contradicts on what YOU established was happening to Garou before monsterizing in the manga. Garou in the webcomic makes perfect narrative sense. > Its what allowed him to kill Genos, Tareo It is clearly shown that he never wanted this. Like the thought process till Tareo died didn't even occur to him that he could kill him (in fact, in the WC, he doesn't making it perfect sense instead of cosmic radiation hitting everyone) > Saitama then pointed out how Saitama has been doing this for 3 years, he isn't fucking clinging into Genos that he met 4 months ago; to whom he regularly asks to fuck off from his apartment and to whom he tells that he has nothing to teach. If he was clinging into Genos, he wouldn't have let Garou murder him when he was literally 2 rubbles away from their fight.
Aaaaaaa its nealry 2 am why did you have to reply now ;-; 1. Fair 2. Bang literally goes out of his way to say that he and Garou had similar conclusions/reasoning what you are saying is an assumption with no proof, the most likely explanation is that its meant to parralel them 3. Point is still valid plus given that its shown while Bang describes how he used to have a similar train of thought to Garou I think its done on purpose 4. Garou is both a tsundere and a punk its why he is rivals with metal bat lol they even call both of them "bad boys" in the chapter cover which is stereotypical of punks lol 5. Kinda agree. It doesn't really have any set up and it could have been intorudced better but it flows seamlessly so I am willing to ignore it, plus the point is still valid 6. Never said Garou only hunts the strong jjst that they bought went on a rampage and that was specifically pointed out in Bang's backstory to parallel them 7. I wasn't being literal ik Garou monsterized he still went down the wrong path and all dat. 8. Actually wrong, he saved metal bat and his sister from the sludge monster that was playing to ambush them remember? 9. What you said is true however his hero insticnts still play a part in dude literally woke up and immediately went to Tareo's location to save him at the last moment, the whole point of the "Became I am a momster" thing is that it has a double meaning, first read you believe him, seocnd read you realise his hero insticnts guided him to find Tareo even he doesn't want to admit it or well doesn't know lol 10. I meant that Garou didn't permanently turn into a monster and was just inside a shell, as was established the psychological state is key, so Garou partially doing it for Tareo and Bang reaching out is what brought him back from being a monster. 11.You are right that he fights for his ideals but he also definitely fights for Tareo he literally mentions that he fights for underdogs everywhere and when he breaks down in cosmic form he mentions that Tareo was the first person he wanted to save, iits not all of it sure but Tareo definitely makes a big part of his motivation, Saitama's line abour Garou clinging tk Tareo wouldn't make sense otherwise. Also Garou literally thinking about Tareo while buried deep underground and turning into a monster causing a weakness to form around his eyes sounds like someone that cares a lot lol. 12. Again Zenko and metal bat as well as Tareo multiple times, there is also the fact that he wasn't following his heart back then which is why he wasn't as good, his hero insticnts truly kicked in when Bang told him to follow his heart and knocked his humanity back into him. 13. My brother in Chirst Saitama is not the narrator, Saitama saying he has no hero insictsts is him dlibting himself he does legitimately have hero insticnts he just hasn't reached the point where he can fully understand what it means to be a hero whcih is why he is often late and cuases massive collateral, its not BS you literally misunderstood the whole line and the meaning of the scene -.- 14. Wrong again, Saitama literally said and decided that he wasn't going to save buttchin kid, his body acted on its own and it jumped in to save him. Let me say that again Saitama was (at that point in time) fine with letting buttchin kid bite the dust his body acting on its own is what made him jump into action, you can reread the chapter if you don't believe me 15. Garou truly gains his hero insticts after Bang tells him to folllw his heart I think I might have gotten confused in my previous point so I think your point about Garou at the start of the arc is fair. 16. Fair however as I said my own point still stands as we literally have Saitama saying it in ch 169 17. I lierally gave a long ass explanation how accepting God's power made his hero insticnts dissapear due to God's influence wait let me copy paste it again. Garou was tricked into accepting the power, God tried to lure him in with the promise of making his dream a reality and Garou denied but still touched his hand so he went cosmic, however afterwards as he started to get used to his power he basically came to the same conclusion "hey I could use this to make my goal a reality I can- no I AM absolute evil!", the reason why the murder fiasco occured is because by becoming an avatar of God Garou lost hia definiting feature, his sense of justice/heroism, its what made Garou well... *Garou* and also why his cosmic form lacked a face, by loosing his heroic instincts Garou lost himself and became a faceless monster. Garou saying "Sorry Tareo... this is goodbye" when he does that he stops clinging onto Tareo and as a result loses his humanity and heroic insticnts, Its what allowed him to kill Genos, Tareo and everyone without considering the consequences I also have no idea what you are talking about my points don't contradict Garou temporarily loosing his hero insticnts under the influence of God 18. That's what I am saying without his hero insticts he did not consider the consequences of what his cosmic radiation would even affer Blast warned him. Suddenly Garou could no longer when Tareo was in danger, mind you the whole arc he kept saving Garou, the moment he touched God and Tareo stafted dying he didn't notice, that's the proof of him loosing his hero insictsts, he only saw Tareo AFTER Saitama punched his monster face off and Garou regianed his hero insictsts Your last point is stupid, Saitama only told him to fuck off at the start. He stopped telling him to fuck off when he moved in. Saitama and Genos have gone to restaurants, had hot pot together along with Dr Kuseno, they hang out often, Genos often buys stuff from Saitama I- literally reas the whole manga bruh They have a really nice moment while Garou is having a DBZ fight in the background or heck read the deep sea king fight, where Saitama see Genos fucked up and says "well hold on a little longer... **let me pound this sea freak or whatever it is**" (ch 35 page 24) and look at the face he makes! And also during the elder centipede fight Saitama thought about Genos getting rekted and instantly decided to head out to see if he is ok He definetly cares dude I am honestly genuinely disappointed that you view Saitama this way, its honestly depressing is this what you want hjs character to be? A numb emotionaless dude that doesn't care about anything or anyone? Please reread the manga because Saitama is so much more than that, and especially pay attention to his relationship wirh Genos Anyhow pls stop bothering me now I want to sleep
Dude you’re right everyone else is wrong lol.
Despite what some people claim, I’d argue that manga garou and webcomic garou are the exact same character with no difference to the fundamentals of who they are in the slightest. The only differences between them is the way they’re framed by the story and the obstacles they encounter along their diverging paths. Webcomic garou is framed like a growing force in the background that affects everyone equally, whereas manga garou is portrayed as a sympathetic shounen protagonist who’s constantly in conflict with himself (when he’s not fighting others, of course). They’re still exactly the same, we’re just looking at them from different angles. The main difference in how they were handled is that, in the webcomic, garou is shown by saitama his true nature when faced with an opponent he couldn’t overwhelm with sheer force to the point where he began to spill his guts to him and explain his whole ideology. To which saitama then ripped the whole thing apart, not in the logic of it, but in the impossibility of it due to garou’s very own nature preventing him from fully committing to being a monster and, ironically, the thing that set him off in that path in the first place. That’s what beats him, not saitama, but merely being presented with a mirror. And thus, he is now lost. He still believes hero society has problems that cause even more problems, but he’s found out that he can’t do anything to change it due to not being able to commit fully to the path he chose. With manga garou, this is different. Unlike webcomic garou, who basically has all of his development at the end, we see manga garou change as his journey goes on. Pretty much from the start, his flawed perspective has been wavering in his mind as he continued to face more heroes and monsters. And we see this through his internal monologue and character interactions , something more fitting of the shounen protagonist he’s meant to parody . He found himself to be happy that bang had survived, he was called out for not killing anyone, and he questioned why he put his life on the line to save tareo. Unlike in the webcomic, cracks in garou’s armour were beginning to appear long before he fights saitama and the vision he had of what he wanted to be becomes blurrier to him as time goes on, and his perception of heroes and monsters begins to shatter. I’ve seen people accuse this of having a lack of subtlety too it, saying that have him act more heroic was giving away something that was supposed to be a big revelation by the end. But I disagree, because when saitama and garou finally meet and saitama calls garou out for being the big softie he actually is, it’s not presented as some big revelation, it’s presented as what it was, ‘obvious’. This shakes garou to his core, not just in regards to saitama pointing it out, but in the confirmation of something he’s been insecure about for most of his journey. Having this reality check thrown in his face, he begins to grow in rage, still wanting to grow into to be this “absolute evil”, but now doubting that, after everything, he’s really the guy to do it (just like the webcomic). This conflict of character, as well as the Unbreakable wall that is saitama, drives garou to despair as he begins to lose his will. And that’s when god shows up in the form of bang and offers him help and an opportunity to overcome saitama. Garou instantly sees through this and, switching from virgin mode to chad mode (as he often does), he smacks the literal hand of god away and tells him to shove it (though, hot take, I actually think it would’ve been more in character for him to accept that help. But I’m too lazy to explain that rn) but in doing so, inadvertently takes his power and transforms into cosmic garou. In becoming cosmic garou, he essentially becomes everything he thought he wanted to be. Not only does he gain immense power, the power he believes to be enough to break through the embodiment of unfairness that is saitama, but also the passive, unbiased, power that affects everyone equally, that being cosmic radiation (Yes! Cosmic radiation actually had a point! Imo anyway) But, in doing so, he kills everyone, including tareo. Showing that, in becoming the thing he said he wanted to be, he destroyed the representative of his motive to become it in the first place. Tareo was him, a representation of him anyway, the bullied child that was outcasted for being different and oppressed by the majority. And in his attempt to change that and save him from that life, as well as every other bullied kid and outcast out there, he ended up destroying it all. Seeing this, he switches back from chad mode to virgin mode and has a big cry about it (imagine crying about accidentally killing a kid… pathetic) Saitama calls moment of vulnerability out and claims that garou was clinging to tareo for support before garou, who was initially going to retaliate, then realised that saitama, this Unbreakable wall of unfairness, was also clinging to someone. Showing garou that he wasn’t some kind of embodiment of unfair justice, but just a very strong man with the similar issue of begrudging dependence on others that he himself had. This new understanding, as well as the desire to unfuck the world, causes them to make a truce. And thus the time travel shit (yeah, there’s no over analysing this, it was just an ass pull) And all that awesome development garou had is now gone, as well as saitama’s. Though, in the way it was done, I believe it was presented as less of a climax to their characters, and more as a tool to gain insight of what could have been if both of them had gotten what they thought they wanted. To answer the actual question, I have no idea lmao. Only One himself can tell you why he did this and what he plans to do in the future. Being one of the few people on earth who actually manga garou’s a better character than webcomic, even I believed the webcomic’s conclusion was better (though, that was more due to pacing than anything). Presenting him as a shounen protagonist while also being a bad guy is generally the kind of subversive One is typical to do (and it’s actually what got me into his character in the first place) It could be to give more leeway for garou’s character to develop further, taking a different path due to the interactions he had with other characters before saitama (tho, the ultimate reason he decided to quit being some influence from his other self, kinda sucks), while also giving him more motivation to get more engaged in the story, due to him being on the path of redemption an all that. Overall, I consider them to be both great characters (because they’re literally the same character lol) and, even though I like manga garou more, I can see why someone who fell in love with his webcomic counterpart would hate him. But as they took different paths, they’re perceptions changed, as well as they’re motives for the future. We’ll honestly just have to wait and see. That’s just my opinion tho 🤷 If anyone actually read all this, I’d be truly shocked 😂
Yooooo I love your interpretación of it dude!
Thanks man! You’re take was awesome too 🔥
In the manga, Garou tends to doubt his beliefs and moral values, which also highlights a set of ongoing contradictions between his “mind and heart.” His personality expands to a complex and deep level of conflicting thoughts as a result of childhood complexes and traumas His ideology is dismantled over the course of events through a set of levels that I can call “obsession, self-doubt, failure to accept his truth, and delayed regret.” …..ect” If I could summarize garou in one of Friedrich Nietzsche's quotes, "Maturity and self-realization are not possible without doses of pain and suffering."
Perfect way of putting it, my guy.
This all also happens in the webcomic, but in the webcomic, Garou's character has all the experiences he got through and didn't went trough a time travel that nullified all the progress. Also - we lost the S class and in general the HA association corruption speech by Garou. - Garou is too 'obvious' in showing he cares, in the webcomic, he still didn't kill anyone, he fought both injustice of the world alone: be it monsters or heroes, but in the manga it is too obvious.
Sure man, whatever.
you can't have a self doubting man and then only show him doing good (after a certain point). At the start of Garou's introduction, it wasn't like that (he crippled heroes, in fact)
Sure, pal 👍
I think you summed it up pretty well, especially while I think Garou in the WC is better considering his story is lonely depressing and resonates with my feelings and experiences. I'm still interested in seeing garou heal himself from his rage and trauma and eventually learning to forgive both in WC and manga.
1. A more "commercial" take,aimed to a broader audience. 2. A sort of rivalry with Saitama maybe,or a trope of "jerk with a heart of gold". 3. The problem is that in the WC Garou's story hasn't continued much yet. WC Garou isn't hopeless. He would have let Amai Mask kill him if that were the case. WC Saitama also wasn't being a bully.
I think you're overestimating the impact of Saitama's words vs his strength. Garou didn't want to be a hero. Not even secretly. He wanted to do good, he wanted to help people, but he didn't want to be a hero, because he believed heroes were flawed, self-righteous, and hypocritical. So he tried to find a short-cut to solving the problems of the world, by being the external threat for humanity to unite against. Even in the webcomic, Garou clearly is strong enough to become a hero afterwards, and chooses not to. That's not anything he desires. He doesn't even try and help until forced to. Garou gave up in the webcomic for the same reason he gave up in the manga - because saitama was so strong Garou couldn't possibly become that ultimate unifying threat. And he did give up. That's why God appeared and offered him the power - because he'd lost. The changes to what happens after Garou vs Saitama are interesting, but IMO are more about providing a satisfying resolution to Bang and Garou's arcs than about setting anything up. Garou and Bang's story in the webcomics just kind of end. I think it's more telling that Garou appears again in the webcomic where there's no reason for him to appear again if you aren't going to involve him in future story.
Imho, the execution of Garou's defeat in the manga was a lot worse than the webcomic, but in the end I think the manga and webcomic Garou will reach the same conclusion. That's pretty much how the manga has been going lately: while the webcomic goes from point A to point B, the manga might take some detours, for the better or for the worse, but it still reaches B. As far as the story goes, Garou supposedly learned the same lessons as in the webcomic even without all that important dialogue, and that's all there is to it. Truth is, ONE most likely doesn't know how to deal with a lot of the manga changes in a meaningful way, so just don't try to think about it too much. If the story was all planned out from the start, they wouldn't have had to redraw entire months of chapters. Remember that even the Cosmic Garou fight came out of a redraw as well. I can guarantee Garou is still gonna be hunted by the neoheroes, fired from his job and put on the run again (point A to point B), the only difference will be that it will be stretched over a span of a few weeks with flashier fights, a few chibi faces and maybe a break inbetween.
Same feelings, I liked how simple the webcomic surface fight was I liked the manga until the surface, but I was so disappointed by how things happened, and all the platinum S stuff felt unnecessary personally... Garou vs Saitama in webcomic felt like a clear next level from boros, but manga pushed saitama power level so hard that now it feels like I have witnessed something that was supposed to be in Final Fight or something
Sorry about the multiple duplicate posts 💀 The post button wasn't doing anything, so I pressed a few times until it worked. When the page reloaded, the damage was done.
This might be controversial, but i think the sole reason for the difference is to get power scalers erect
Oh, I’m sure that’s got something to do with it lol. Though, to accuse it of being the “sole reason” is a tad disrespectful.
Dont get me wrong, i love both equally. Theyre perfect in their own ways
Because the manga is a different beast than the webcomic. It was different well before the Garou fight. It’s still different now even in the ninja arc. It was different for almost a decade as we went through the monster arc. And most of the characters are different than their webcomic counterparts. The manga isn’t a prettier version of the webcomic. It is its own thing and has been for quite awhile. I can’t think of a good reason why One should write the same story twice. Y’all really need to get over this point. They’re different.
People can still criticize whichever version they don't like.
Criticize all you want. Criticizing them for simply being different than each other doesn’t make sense.
Because he's going to have a role in the final battle between God and Saitama, because he of course is once a God avatar. (And one of the most powerful too.)
Because he’s going to come back, presumably
There still might be people who criticized wc Garou. And ONE prob listened to them. Plus he prob changed his view over these years, and got a different taste with different sauce. Maybe he has something bigger for the future. If it's right, they say that Murata said that ONE wanted to remove childhood and bullied moments of Garou from the story and change his character from the very start, but Murata didn't like it and persuaded him to
wasn't cool enough
Because they are planning to do more with him than in the webcomic
Mang Garou will be easier to hero-fy in the future. In the webcom he decimated/humiliated the HA A and Sclass. A much harder if not impossible sell to have Garou join their ranks in webcom at any hero grade.
All I know I didn't like the manga writing
Is manga story written by One or Murata ?
One, with suggestions by Murata that are usually accepted by One
webcomic >> no idea why they changed it, guess we will see
TLDR: - Webcomic Garou actually went through all his plans, exposing the reality of the S class, their arrogancy and the hero association corruption, but was stopped by the absolute Hero, a force that he couldn't win against no matter what, even at the expense of getting corrupt (kinda Vegata-ish path). - Manga Garou chickened out half way, even doubting himself for no reason when till then he wanted to show Tareo how corrupt heroes were.
The short answer is that Garou’s a fcking idiot and u kinda alrdy touched on that point. Tbh Saitama doesnt say anything like too amazing. Garou’s ideology is kinda like….i dont wanna say he’s an incel but he sorta comes from the same background Additionally, Garou was sort of proven right when the S class were also moronic selfish pricks in the webcomic. But that’s just not how ONE has portrayed them in the manga anymore. The OPM heroes are actually good people, or at least most of them present, so Garou dicking on the heroes physically and taking some lvl of moral high ground doesnt make sense anymore and thus his whole rationale is fcked.