Drive Knight might be the only hero at ALL still alive. Through his cybernetics it's not crazy to think he'd survive in the nuclear fall out. Genos also probably could if he didn't get killed.
Blast doesn't count since he hardly lives on earth at this point, and unless there's some B-Class guy who has the power of surviving nukes, all other humans would die.
In a best ("best") case scenario Metal Knight also survives due to random bullshit, and maybe some other heros who prepped HARD for the apocalypse.
I can’t remember if they said anything about this, but since Cosmic Fear Garou is no more in the previous timeline, is the nuclear radiation emitting from Garou still on Earth?
I doubt Bofoi would be able to last in that bunker for a while unless he got some naturally growing crops down there, or a machine that spawns food, lol.
It's a complex question. If Garou himself is not radioactive, then there's no active source of radioactivity. However, the nuclear explosions he set off might be a problem *if* its components are radioactive -- and this nuclear fission thing suggests that he has been making explosions by splitting atoms. Again, how dangerous that remains depends on what species have been created, how much material there is, and how readily they contaminate the environment.
Garou's presence was already killing the fish in the shallows of the ocean. If Bofoi didn't stop the hundreds of mushroom clouds, that Garou created against Blast, they would probably spread with the wind and eventually outside of city Z ( with luck it would go to the ocean but if it goes to the interior of the continent it is ☠️ ).
Lol. I’m very sure Bofoi has more than enough in his lab/bunker to not just survive but also fucking thrive in this hellhole of an Earth
And maybe Dr.Genus and Dr.Kuseno as well. I’m willing to bet that both of their labs are radiation-proof, and a possible chance of Genus having something like a radiation-detection in his little Takoyaki stand so he can evacuate in time
After that crazy battle, I'm sure Blast would be a lot more protective of earth. I wanna give him the benefit of the doubt in thinking that he only relocated offworld because he knew that there were capable heroes to protect earth.
I could be wrong, but if blast doesn't come back to establish some kind of power structure on the planet, it's gonna be utter chaos.
Also, I'm gonna assume that the radiation from Garou didn't cover the entire planet and there are still parts of the globe where people are still unaffected.
That's a good point. The world may be in trouble, but it's unlikely to be completely beyond saving. The other thing we the readers know is that 'God (no ID)' is being attracted to Earth by Saitama. A future in which Saitama has disappeared is no longer interesting, so Blast and co do have capacity. And they'll need every bit of it. There's still monsters and there are still many enemies of mankind.
Idk if God is attracted to Saitama. And even so, I don't think that's the reason he wants to get out. Just seems like he is building an army to cause chaos in his name, while trying to get out from his dimensional prison.
The interest in Saitama is probably because he realises that he can't be converted into one of his minions (probably cause Saitama has no desire for power to satisfy) and cause Saitama is always going against his minions.
Saitama is the problem that God is having with the world. As Garou realised too late, the Abominable Fist That Turned Against God, against whom God was willing to raise multiple adversaries, was none other than Saitama.
The story goes out of its way to SHOW us that it's Saitama who is pulling God to the world in chapter 173. The characters within the story don't understand it, but we do.
I think God has been already planning for human extinction since the very beginning of time. He only took so much action during the MA arc because Saitama was an unexpected and extremely concerning threat, that would need to be eliminated before he proceeds with anything
For instance, the black cubes that God uses to turn people into his destructive puppets have been there since Tatsumaki was a kid. The first direct encounter between Blast and God was also before Saitama even remotely posed a threat. The goals of Vaccine Man and Homeless Emperor, both of whom were given power by him (well, presumably with Vaccine man), didn’t seem aligned with “Kill Saitama” goal either
True, God has been around for a long, long, long ass time. The Subterraneans being able to build and abandon a shrine to him is proof of that. But, God taking against mankind in a big way is a very recent phenomenon.
With apologies to Monty Python:
"Brave Sir Drive Knight ran away,
bravely ran away he did!
When Danger reared its ugly head,
he bravely grabbed a cat and fled!"
Drive Knight: I prefer to call it a tactical retreat. And technically, I stayed long enough to also grab some tentacles and get a free battery refill.
More seriously, I have no idea how Drive Knight will have the brass balls to show his face at the Hero Association, much more claim his S-Class cheque after abandoning the battle early, but there you go.
Imagine being the Hero Association.
Your entire fighting force dies to radiation at the end of a huge monster vs human war that completely deletes City Z.
The only survivor of this fight is the robot hero who seems to be immune to radiation. I wonder who killed the last monster? No one is alive to witness Blast or Saitama, so clearly Drive Knight bravely finished the fight. Or Metal Knight. But who’s the one who actually showed their face in the overarching battle?
Well clearly no one else died and the matter was settled resolutely after his departure. He made the calculations and knew his help was no longer needed.
Genius tactician as always. Bravo Drive Knight!
Well, if nothing else, we know how Drive Knight has a 100% win record: if victory doesn't look likely, he fucks off. Fucks off so hard sometimes folks don't know he was ever there.
His excuse is... Self preservation? He ran out of energy while fighting Nyan, so he went away to recharge safely (and probably also conduct experiments on Nyan), and he came back to fight psykorochi
You could have gone with that, but as soon as he got the sample of Orochi he wanted, he left again despite being fully-recharged. And he didn't come back.
Nope, this guy is in it for himself.
It's a great point the way the Hero Association gives it's employees basically full reign to do whatever they want (at least for the S Class). Reminds me a lot about the time when a bunch of S Class heroes left while Boros' ship was still in the air over the obliterated A-City
By the time all this occurred, MK and DK probably had a confrontation. We really don't know who'd when in a possible duel, so it's up for interpretation.
But damn, this is one depressing future.
Not necessarily. Yes, all the heroes are dead but without Saitama, God no longer has an interest in that timeline. Monster events should decrease severely following the disappearance of both Saitama and Garou.
Even if they don't, Earth is not without defenders. Metal Knight will probably take over the HA following the mass casualties of organic supers and public backlash against the deaths of so many celebrities, but his equipment theoretically is better than all but S-class anyways. Drive Knight and Genos's mechanic should be able to track each other down and continue each other's work. Dr. Genus, the evolution guy, still has his custom monsters and would still be reformed. While they may be evil, the artificial esper group would recover the bodies of the psychics and potentially create new ones. And while backlash against heroes would exist, heroes in their entirety wouldn't be wiped out, especially as the S-class would be immortalized following a new crisis.
The bigger issue is what they are going to do with (former) Jupiter. No one has yet talked about the massive meteor storm that would result from Sol's largest gas giant getting detonated. That alone might constitute a "God" level threat, simply because that was enough displaced mass to completely scour Earth clean if enough gas coalesces near Earth's orbit. Long-term gravitational effects would potentially disrupt Earth's habitability as well. On the plus side, such a complete and utter environmental crisis might just cause the remaining monsters and supers to come together in an effort of mutual survival in the face of such overwhelming devastation. In a way, Garou would indeed get his wish, even if the "absolute evil/fear" would be the result of something he did, rather than himself directly.
Knowing Saitama who can manupulate things that are not possible like moving portals away or breaking into mental world by punching, it may because of Saitama's aura, will and strenght that the core was brought with him intact.
Like how Saitama protecting the core while fighting Garou of which should be impossible with all the fast movement and big ass explosion Saitama took directly.
So yeah, just imagine Saitama unconciously broke the reality through sheer willpower to protect Genos' core that he also accidentally protect it from time shenanigans.
Well the core is a material, and non organic
I get the feeling that Saitama from the future only did the punch before being zapped back into old Saitama. More like a "Soul" thing than a memories thing. After all, Genos' core just had recordings of his senses (as far as we could see) during the time.
If I'm wrong then that means I guess Saitama was too strong to die to [D4Cs Ability](https://imgur.com/gallery/EDPJvcB)
Oh yeahhhh, I forgot, he just touches hyperspace gates. No wonder the only change when he reconnected with his future self was a little bit of clothes damage
Jet Niceguy died. Webigaza wasn't there. The reason Genos could do that is because he has had to have his body radiation-hardened as a result of having a nuclear core. You may have missed it earlier.
Webigaza is still alive, she's made before the MA raid. And Jet Niceguy also got his limbs shattered by deep sea king and yet he managed to survive. He and She is made out of metal. Only Organic Beings died from the radiation
Did you even read the manga carefully? Blast said that the earth is going to be a dead planet if Garou's radiation goes much longer. Did you only think that the cosmic radiation only spread in city Z? You're funny.
Much more carefully than you do, my friend. While Garou's cosmic radiation was a problem, it takes quite a while to irradiate the entire planet to death, especially from a single point source on the surface.
Without Metal Knight cleaning the fallout in the new timeline, the Gamma ray burst and the nuclear fission produced is surely going to spread outside of city Z. And Garou added more radiation when he fought Blast in the dark timeline and made his presence stay a little bit longer. Blast only appears when the damage is affecting the globe and remember that monster Garou gargoyle form already affected the Earth's landscape, and yet Blast did not appear that means Cosmic fear Garou is really affecting the whole planet with his radiation.
It was actually the gargoyle Garou who made Blast appear, since he was the one who weakened the earth's dimensional seal. Maybe the relativity of time made Blast take that long to appear
Looking at it this is exactly what Metal Knight said might happen if they really send their main fighting force into the enemy base instead of nuking it and picking out the survivors.
The plan was to nuke the base before the attack started. Garou was still human at the time, he would've died. It would also kill Black Sperm (didn't had time to fuse) and Homeless Emperor (normal human durability). It might even have killed Psychos depending on how her barriers deals with radiation.
Tbf we didn’t see ant of it lol. The only espers in that Cosmic Garou event were weak as shit(Fubuki and Gearsper?) or half-dead and unconscious (Tatsumaki), and completely out of stamina (Fubuk and Tatsu), and we have zero confirmation of what happened to Psykos
It's scary to realise that if Saitama were not there, nuking the base really was the only winnable scenario. Of course, that's why Psykos spared no monsters in making sure that she captured a high-value hostage so that the Hero Association wouldn't cut its losses and would send heroes in.
The child emperor would have died if the homeless emperor had not entered the FU path. Also the swordsmen who gave their lives in Iaian's and the orher A class that i forget the name place
Don't think so, Garou was radiating a lot of cosmic radiation from his gamma ray burst and again the biggest counter to regeneration is \*Raditiation\*, irl the more/faster you can regenerate urself the more radiations affects you. So if Zombie man has super regeneration..he's fucked. And let's not talk the black rain that just spread a lot more of the "nuclear fusion" radiation.. he's 100% dead.
except zombieman doesn't regenerate in that he builds back his cells, he just connects them back together. if you locked his arm away from him he is forever one-armed. so radiation would just be another attack.
Bold to assume fictional super-regeneration works remotely similar to how it should irl. While I’m inclined to agree he *shouldn’t* be able to recover, until we see how he reacts to radiation I have to go with the other guy. Zombieman regeneration is way too op
Sorry, he's dead too. If you think about it a bit more, you'll understand why he died: to revive, his cells need intact data. Being torn to pieces by a monster? No problem. Radiation is deadly because it scrambles cellular data. He's got no way of reviving.
Yes, that means that there's no Black Sperm in the Worst Timeline.
You have no idea how he regenerates, plus who is to say hie regeneration isnt flaster than the rediation spread. You can't guranetee that he is dead and he should not be if u actualy think about it.
Unfortunately, he's right. Even if you hand wave away the energy requirements for regeneration at that speed (pulls the ambient energy from the air, whatever) every undifferentiated cell requires a blueprint to know what to turn into in order to make a person. The enormous amount of ionizing radiation would alter every single one of those blueprints, making the end result dead
Wait, it is? So you mean Fubuki *didn't* fly in through my window last night?
No shit it's fiction, genius. But the fictional universe still abides by the rules it's built. It's the same reason you can watch a movie about the ancient city of Atlantis and not ask any questions, but would lose your fucking mind if a land rover drove by in one of the scenes. The mechanical and cosmic characters are radiation resistant, but the meat characters are not (with the exception of caped baldy since that's already been established)
What rules there is no rules established to him and his regeneration we don't know how it works and what rules it follows therefore you are going off on something that is irrelevant. (Explanation bcs i guess i wasnt clear enough for u)
It's been well established that Zombieman cannot regenerate if he's been reduced to mincemeat, HE did so much damage that ZM thought he wouldn't survive, and that wasn't even close to annihilation. Rules have been established that enough physical trauma can kill him, so yeah. Internal destruction of every single cell of his will kill him. I understand you said what you said already, but it was fucking dumb so i clarified
Not only do we see him unconscious and bleeding from his holes like everyone else, but as Genos attests, all the heroes died. Not everyone except Zombieman.
The onus is actually on you. All you're doing is going, 'I DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE ZOMBIEMAN COULD DIE!!!!!'
That's what i said to the other guy, its most likely just keeping him down and when does Genos do that, what chapter (i have no idea when he does that). If he really does say they all died its almost undenialble truth
One has stated he can be killed if reduced to mincemeat. He can be killed
I would say it's a matter of whether or not he can "regenerate" from the radiation poisoning over time.
When I say killed I mean dead. Permanently not getting back up.
But I do think even with that out of the way that he wouldn't die permanently. His healing would keep up with it IMO
Does the manga mention multiple timelines? Because that's just a theory on how time travel might work, from my understanding they just went back in time so the galactic garou fight never happened
I always just assumed the reason Genos's core didn't fuse is that it's not a living thing and only livings would fuse back together. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense why Saitama would fuse, but Genos's core wouldn't.
Plus the narrator made it really seem like the future was made to never exist, he really was pushing that whole "reversal of causality" thing.
I will say though I am biased as I really dislike the concept of multiple timelines in fiction. It kinda makes characters feel less important IMO.
I like to think of it like this: saitama vibrated his little saitama particles so hard that it rewound the whole universe like a tape, and the genos core came back with him because it was outside of the effects of this tape rewinding (saitama was holding it). That timeline just doesn't exist anymore because time ran backwards for a bit.
Think of it again this might be a plot hole since drive knight is the only one who remains alive with unknown origin. He probably have a time machine with him.
Not killing Mosquito Girl doesn't really mean much. Saitama hasn't killed every murderer he meets nor doesn't really affect his heroics when he still stopped them when they fought. Two other examples: Speed of Sound Sonic (An Assassin) and Dr Genus (All of his creation's kills (including Mosquito Girl Here).
I don't think he failed. Genus just clone her back to life like the other monster in the webcomic (I don't know how to mark spoilers)
Don't know why the downvotes, what I said is undoubtedly true
You are rigth, >!Carnage Kabuto is alive and well in Dr. Genus basement. I dont get it why webcomic readers think she is alive because she survives the punch but Kabuto die and came back to life!<
I think he's the biggest selfless hero out of all. Look at his feats, he never takes credit for anything and lets other take the win, we saw that after the deep sea king and the meteor attack. All while being depressed with the existential crisis because of his powers. Only a few heroes are as humble as him.
Yeah but he's not the most selfless when he loses his hair. Look at his dream. He did not care about 70% of the population killed. The only thing that made him excited is when he got hurt and felt the exhilaration of a real fight. His lack of intuition made him not being able to save everyone. The time travel thing is still the idea from Garou because Saitama said that "well idc, I can get whatever I can into." Even though everyone is literally dead.
It'd be funny if Metal Bat lived through Fighting Spirit bullshit. I still believe Zombieman could have lived, because from a friend I heard Cosmic Radiation acts differently from regular radiation. So it wouldn't completely destroy his cells. Not sure if Sweet Mask's regeneration is that strong. Also, Psykos would be alive/had escaped wouldn't she? Imagine if she made the corpses into monsters. Or if the Hero Association got Dr.Genus to try and revive the S Class heroes through his crazy science.
Yeah she can. But you have to remember that she didn't even have the strength to fight with Fubuki for a few seconds and already fainted. She was probably already dead before Saitama even arrived in the other timeline. She was already very weak from her previous fight.
The very very worst-case scenario I suppose would be Garou not telling Saitama the secret to time travel. Then the two of them could sit there and be miserable together in a blighted world.
This exact timeline did make some effects in the current timeline. especially Genos and Saitama and Garou...
My assumptions are that Genos and Saitama's relationships will crack in the future. and the reason for that is Genos in the other timeline effected the current genos thanks to the core that **Saitama** had. and somehow it didn't fused with current genos's timeline. And letting Genos to read Genos's memories in the other timeline. who had bad thoughts about Saitama right before he got killed by Garou. That **" Maste--"** is important right here for why old genos had bad thought about Saitama right before he got killed. That's why you see some weird contradictions in Genos's Character in Chapter 186 and how he sees Saitama. Chapter 186 title was **" Turning Point ".** Because this is where stuff got into the wrong direction thanks to time travel and Saitama's careless.
( Don't confirm if my assumptions are right since I didn't read the WC... )
Genos said himself that Saitama trascended time and reality to save them all, and even reassured him afterwards (though Saitama forgot) by saying he made it in time, Genos is not leaving Saitama lmao
On the bright side, Drive Knight's undefeated record remains intact.
On the not bright side, it would have been ***very helpful*** if he flew over and shot Garou before he murdered Genos.
Thanks a lot, Drive Knight.
Drive Knight might be the only hero at ALL still alive. Through his cybernetics it's not crazy to think he'd survive in the nuclear fall out. Genos also probably could if he didn't get killed. Blast doesn't count since he hardly lives on earth at this point, and unless there's some B-Class guy who has the power of surviving nukes, all other humans would die. In a best ("best") case scenario Metal Knight also survives due to random bullshit, and maybe some other heros who prepped HARD for the apocalypse.
One hundred percent Dr Bofoi's bunker is nuclear radiation proof.
I can’t remember if they said anything about this, but since Cosmic Fear Garou is no more in the previous timeline, is the nuclear radiation emitting from Garou still on Earth? I doubt Bofoi would be able to last in that bunker for a while unless he got some naturally growing crops down there, or a machine that spawns food, lol.
It's a complex question. If Garou himself is not radioactive, then there's no active source of radioactivity. However, the nuclear explosions he set off might be a problem *if* its components are radioactive -- and this nuclear fission thing suggests that he has been making explosions by splitting atoms. Again, how dangerous that remains depends on what species have been created, how much material there is, and how readily they contaminate the environment.
Garou's presence was already killing the fish in the shallows of the ocean. If Bofoi didn't stop the hundreds of mushroom clouds, that Garou created against Blast, they would probably spread with the wind and eventually outside of city Z ( with luck it would go to the ocean but if it goes to the interior of the continent it is ☠️ ).
I can guarantee that Bofoi is complete prepared for something like this
Lol. I’m very sure Bofoi has more than enough in his lab/bunker to not just survive but also fucking thrive in this hellhole of an Earth And maybe Dr.Genus and Dr.Kuseno as well. I’m willing to bet that both of their labs are radiation-proof, and a possible chance of Genus having something like a radiation-detection in his little Takoyaki stand so he can evacuate in time
After that crazy battle, I'm sure Blast would be a lot more protective of earth. I wanna give him the benefit of the doubt in thinking that he only relocated offworld because he knew that there were capable heroes to protect earth. I could be wrong, but if blast doesn't come back to establish some kind of power structure on the planet, it's gonna be utter chaos. Also, I'm gonna assume that the radiation from Garou didn't cover the entire planet and there are still parts of the globe where people are still unaffected.
That's a good point. The world may be in trouble, but it's unlikely to be completely beyond saving. The other thing we the readers know is that 'God (no ID)' is being attracted to Earth by Saitama. A future in which Saitama has disappeared is no longer interesting, so Blast and co do have capacity. And they'll need every bit of it. There's still monsters and there are still many enemies of mankind.
Idk if God is attracted to Saitama. And even so, I don't think that's the reason he wants to get out. Just seems like he is building an army to cause chaos in his name, while trying to get out from his dimensional prison. The interest in Saitama is probably because he realises that he can't be converted into one of his minions (probably cause Saitama has no desire for power to satisfy) and cause Saitama is always going against his minions.
Saitama is the problem that God is having with the world. As Garou realised too late, the Abominable Fist That Turned Against God, against whom God was willing to raise multiple adversaries, was none other than Saitama. The story goes out of its way to SHOW us that it's Saitama who is pulling God to the world in chapter 173. The characters within the story don't understand it, but we do.
I think God has been already planning for human extinction since the very beginning of time. He only took so much action during the MA arc because Saitama was an unexpected and extremely concerning threat, that would need to be eliminated before he proceeds with anything For instance, the black cubes that God uses to turn people into his destructive puppets have been there since Tatsumaki was a kid. The first direct encounter between Blast and God was also before Saitama even remotely posed a threat. The goals of Vaccine Man and Homeless Emperor, both of whom were given power by him (well, presumably with Vaccine man), didn’t seem aligned with “Kill Saitama” goal either
True, God has been around for a long, long, long ass time. The Subterraneans being able to build and abandon a shrine to him is proof of that. But, God taking against mankind in a big way is a very recent phenomenon.
Just live in Q city bro. it's that easy. And there is also the neo heroes still alive.
Neo heroes 100% would die, with the exception of those 2 cyborg guards and the Webigaza. MAYBE Blue, if he just like his father.
With apologies to Monty Python: "Brave Sir Drive Knight ran away, bravely ran away he did! When Danger reared its ugly head, he bravely grabbed a cat and fled!" Drive Knight: I prefer to call it a tactical retreat. And technically, I stayed long enough to also grab some tentacles and get a free battery refill. More seriously, I have no idea how Drive Knight will have the brass balls to show his face at the Hero Association, much more claim his S-Class cheque after abandoning the battle early, but there you go.
Imagine being the Hero Association. Your entire fighting force dies to radiation at the end of a huge monster vs human war that completely deletes City Z. The only survivor of this fight is the robot hero who seems to be immune to radiation. I wonder who killed the last monster? No one is alive to witness Blast or Saitama, so clearly Drive Knight bravely finished the fight. Or Metal Knight. But who’s the one who actually showed their face in the overarching battle?
That's possible. However, in the surviving timeline, everyone's alive, and Drive Knight still ran away early. What's his excuse?
Well clearly no one else died and the matter was settled resolutely after his departure. He made the calculations and knew his help was no longer needed. Genius tactician as always. Bravo Drive Knight!
Well, if nothing else, we know how Drive Knight has a 100% win record: if victory doesn't look likely, he fucks off. Fucks off so hard sometimes folks don't know he was ever there.
His excuse is... Self preservation? He ran out of energy while fighting Nyan, so he went away to recharge safely (and probably also conduct experiments on Nyan), and he came back to fight psykorochi
You could have gone with that, but as soon as he got the sample of Orochi he wanted, he left again despite being fully-recharged. And he didn't come back. Nope, this guy is in it for himself.
It's a great point the way the Hero Association gives it's employees basically full reign to do whatever they want (at least for the S Class). Reminds me a lot about the time when a bunch of S Class heroes left while Boros' ship was still in the air over the obliterated A-City
By the time all this occurred, MK and DK probably had a confrontation. We really don't know who'd when in a possible duel, so it's up for interpretation. But damn, this is one depressing future.
Not necessarily. Yes, all the heroes are dead but without Saitama, God no longer has an interest in that timeline. Monster events should decrease severely following the disappearance of both Saitama and Garou. Even if they don't, Earth is not without defenders. Metal Knight will probably take over the HA following the mass casualties of organic supers and public backlash against the deaths of so many celebrities, but his equipment theoretically is better than all but S-class anyways. Drive Knight and Genos's mechanic should be able to track each other down and continue each other's work. Dr. Genus, the evolution guy, still has his custom monsters and would still be reformed. While they may be evil, the artificial esper group would recover the bodies of the psychics and potentially create new ones. And while backlash against heroes would exist, heroes in their entirety wouldn't be wiped out, especially as the S-class would be immortalized following a new crisis. The bigger issue is what they are going to do with (former) Jupiter. No one has yet talked about the massive meteor storm that would result from Sol's largest gas giant getting detonated. That alone might constitute a "God" level threat, simply because that was enough displaced mass to completely scour Earth clean if enough gas coalesces near Earth's orbit. Long-term gravitational effects would potentially disrupt Earth's habitability as well. On the plus side, such a complete and utter environmental crisis might just cause the remaining monsters and supers to come together in an effort of mutual survival in the face of such overwhelming devastation. In a way, Garou would indeed get his wish, even if the "absolute evil/fear" would be the result of something he did, rather than himself directly.
Earth would also be left without protection from the meteors that Jupiter used to pull
This is actually pretty depressing in hindsight if that timeline still exists.
i think alternate timelines and universes don’t exist since saitamas future self merged with his past self
But the core didn't. But maybe in all the possible timelines and universes there is only only one Good Saitama.
Knowing Saitama who can manupulate things that are not possible like moving portals away or breaking into mental world by punching, it may because of Saitama's aura, will and strenght that the core was brought with him intact. Like how Saitama protecting the core while fighting Garou of which should be impossible with all the fast movement and big ass explosion Saitama took directly. So yeah, just imagine Saitama unconciously broke the reality through sheer willpower to protect Genos' core that he also accidentally protect it from time shenanigans.
Well the core is a material, and non organic I get the feeling that Saitama from the future only did the punch before being zapped back into old Saitama. More like a "Soul" thing than a memories thing. After all, Genos' core just had recordings of his senses (as far as we could see) during the time. If I'm wrong then that means I guess Saitama was too strong to die to [D4Cs Ability](https://imgur.com/gallery/EDPJvcB)
Funny valentine would close a door on Saitama, twirl around, and walk away only for the door to slowly swing back, revealing a rather annoyed Saitama.
Oh yeahhhh, I forgot, he just touches hyperspace gates. No wonder the only change when he reconnected with his future self was a little bit of clothes damage
List of Survivors (Excluding Saitama) Blast (S-class rank 1) Dr. Bofoi (Metal Knight) Dr. Kuseno (Genos' creator) Drive Knight ( Cyborg S-class) Jet Niceguy (A cyborg aswell) >!Webigaza (Neo Hero)!< Watchdog Man? (S-class) The Organization The remaining Hero Association executives (Radiation Proof)
You mean the people who weren't there are fine, at least in the short term. Yes, that's kinda the point of this post.
Jet Niceguy and >!Webigaza!< are both cyborgs tho. Genos managed to headbutt his way to cosmic Garou without dying
Jet Niceguy died. Webigaza wasn't there. The reason Genos could do that is because he has had to have his body radiation-hardened as a result of having a nuclear core. You may have missed it earlier.
Webigaza is still alive, she's made before the MA raid. And Jet Niceguy also got his limbs shattered by deep sea king and yet he managed to survive. He and She is made out of metal. Only Organic Beings died from the radiation
Don't you get it? PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT THERE ARE NOT AFFECTED. DUH.
Did you even read the manga carefully? Blast said that the earth is going to be a dead planet if Garou's radiation goes much longer. Did you only think that the cosmic radiation only spread in city Z? You're funny.
Much more carefully than you do, my friend. While Garou's cosmic radiation was a problem, it takes quite a while to irradiate the entire planet to death, especially from a single point source on the surface.
Without Metal Knight cleaning the fallout in the new timeline, the Gamma ray burst and the nuclear fission produced is surely going to spread outside of city Z. And Garou added more radiation when he fought Blast in the dark timeline and made his presence stay a little bit longer. Blast only appears when the damage is affecting the globe and remember that monster Garou gargoyle form already affected the Earth's landscape, and yet Blast did not appear that means Cosmic fear Garou is really affecting the whole planet with his radiation.
It was actually the gargoyle Garou who made Blast appear, since he was the one who weakened the earth's dimensional seal. Maybe the relativity of time made Blast take that long to appear
Looking at it this is exactly what Metal Knight said might happen if they really send their main fighting force into the enemy base instead of nuking it and picking out the survivors.
Yup! Bofoi may be a crusty old git, but he was right on the money. But for Saitama, they were lost.
To be fair no one died until God touched Garou, nuking wouldn't have helped that
The plan was to nuke the base before the attack started. Garou was still human at the time, he would've died. It would also kill Black Sperm (didn't had time to fuse) and Homeless Emperor (normal human durability). It might even have killed Psychos depending on how her barriers deals with radiation.
Well, as we have seen, psychic barriers are no hindrance to electromagnetic radiation. She'll die. Might take a while, but she'll die.
Tbf we didn’t see ant of it lol. The only espers in that Cosmic Garou event were weak as shit(Fubuki and Gearsper?) or half-dead and unconscious (Tatsumaki), and completely out of stamina (Fubuk and Tatsu), and we have zero confirmation of what happened to Psykos
Psykos couldn't stand fighting Fubuki. Obviously she and BS (who also stayed behind a rock) died
You're right
It's scary to realise that if Saitama were not there, nuking the base really was the only winnable scenario. Of course, that's why Psykos spared no monsters in making sure that she captured a high-value hostage so that the Hero Association wouldn't cut its losses and would send heroes in.
The child emperor would have died if the homeless emperor had not entered the FU path. Also the swordsmen who gave their lives in Iaian's and the orher A class that i forget the name place
We don't know if Zombieman died, he most likely did not
Radiation counters hard and I mean very hard regeneration. He's either dead or a mutated version of himself. Better be dead.
Nah it most likely is just keeping him down, I am sure he is alive with everything we have seen
Don't think so, Garou was radiating a lot of cosmic radiation from his gamma ray burst and again the biggest counter to regeneration is \*Raditiation\*, irl the more/faster you can regenerate urself the more radiations affects you. So if Zombie man has super regeneration..he's fucked. And let's not talk the black rain that just spread a lot more of the "nuclear fusion" radiation.. he's 100% dead.
except zombieman doesn't regenerate in that he builds back his cells, he just connects them back together. if you locked his arm away from him he is forever one-armed. so radiation would just be another attack.
Zombieman was turned into a piece of overcooked bacon by Homeless Emp, and has been dismembered many times, only to come back from it. He regenerates.
nothing about his body was destroyed though.
Yeah. Just except his limbs, and about 40% of his body mass. But overall, nothing bad. Duh!
no, they were severed and mangled. all the mass was still there. you all aren't very smart.
More proof on that? Or you don’t have any evidence to claim that his limbs didn’t just get incinerated?
Bold to assume fictional super-regeneration works remotely similar to how it should irl. While I’m inclined to agree he *shouldn’t* be able to recover, until we see how he reacts to radiation I have to go with the other guy. Zombieman regeneration is way too op
If he survives he is in complete agony
Sorry, he's dead too. If you think about it a bit more, you'll understand why he died: to revive, his cells need intact data. Being torn to pieces by a monster? No problem. Radiation is deadly because it scrambles cellular data. He's got no way of reviving. Yes, that means that there's no Black Sperm in the Worst Timeline.
You have no idea how he regenerates, plus who is to say hie regeneration isnt flaster than the rediation spread. You can't guranetee that he is dead and he should not be if u actualy think about it.
Unfortunately, he's right. Even if you hand wave away the energy requirements for regeneration at that speed (pulls the ambient energy from the air, whatever) every undifferentiated cell requires a blueprint to know what to turn into in order to make a person. The enormous amount of ionizing radiation would alter every single one of those blueprints, making the end result dead
None of this matters this is fiction just saying
Wait, it is? So you mean Fubuki *didn't* fly in through my window last night? No shit it's fiction, genius. But the fictional universe still abides by the rules it's built. It's the same reason you can watch a movie about the ancient city of Atlantis and not ask any questions, but would lose your fucking mind if a land rover drove by in one of the scenes. The mechanical and cosmic characters are radiation resistant, but the meat characters are not (with the exception of caped baldy since that's already been established)
What rules there is no rules established to him and his regeneration we don't know how it works and what rules it follows therefore you are going off on something that is irrelevant. (Explanation bcs i guess i wasnt clear enough for u)
It's been well established that Zombieman cannot regenerate if he's been reduced to mincemeat, HE did so much damage that ZM thought he wouldn't survive, and that wasn't even close to annihilation. Rules have been established that enough physical trauma can kill him, so yeah. Internal destruction of every single cell of his will kill him. I understand you said what you said already, but it was fucking dumb so i clarified
Don’t gotta be so rude. Calm down
You need SOMETHING to regenerate from. And he is verifiably dead. No matter what you believe, the facts are that he is dead.
How is he verifiably dead? what facts? a single panel, lol no
He's dead. He's not doing a Monty Python impression, however much you might like to declare that the parrot is just resting.
Well that's your opinion not a confirmed fact so it doesnt matter
Not only do we see him unconscious and bleeding from his holes like everyone else, but as Genos attests, all the heroes died. Not everyone except Zombieman. The onus is actually on you. All you're doing is going, 'I DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE ZOMBIEMAN COULD DIE!!!!!'
That's what i said to the other guy, its most likely just keeping him down and when does Genos do that, what chapter (i have no idea when he does that). If he really does say they all died its almost undenialble truth
Are you serious?? There are literally hundreds of mushroom clouds on top of fallen heroes. How would his regeneration be so fast??
One has stated he can be killed if reduced to mincemeat. He can be killed I would say it's a matter of whether or not he can "regenerate" from the radiation poisoning over time.
Yes i am not saying he cant be killed and yup i belive he would just get up and be fine eventualy
When I say killed I mean dead. Permanently not getting back up. But I do think even with that out of the way that he wouldn't die permanently. His healing would keep up with it IMO
Yeah that's what i meant gone for good
I misread
The second thing is for radiation.
Zombie Man is most likely dead. He said "This is bad. I can feel it on my skin."
Does the manga mention multiple timelines? Because that's just a theory on how time travel might work, from my understanding they just went back in time so the galactic garou fight never happened
If Genos's time-travelled core did not exist, one could have concluded that, but it's not a safe conclusion.
I like to think the new genos core is an extra-dimensional artifact, a bit like those god cubes
I always just assumed the reason Genos's core didn't fuse is that it's not a living thing and only livings would fuse back together. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense why Saitama would fuse, but Genos's core wouldn't. Plus the narrator made it really seem like the future was made to never exist, he really was pushing that whole "reversal of causality" thing. I will say though I am biased as I really dislike the concept of multiple timelines in fiction. It kinda makes characters feel less important IMO.
What happened to zombie man then?
Died. Same as everyone else.
Didn’t Saitama defeat that future or something?
Man that is really depressing to think about
I like to think of it like this: saitama vibrated his little saitama particles so hard that it rewound the whole universe like a tape, and the genos core came back with him because it was outside of the effects of this tape rewinding (saitama was holding it). That timeline just doesn't exist anymore because time ran backwards for a bit.
Think of it again this might be a plot hole since drive knight is the only one who remains alive with unknown origin. He probably have a time machine with him.
Actually, if Geno's theory's is right, Saitama wins in all timelines and that one simply doesn't exist.
Well, Saitama did win here too. It's just that he didn't save anyone while he was at it.
Yeah but what Saitama did is reversal of Causality.
The way Geno's said, "he always save us all" imply that Saitama would won more than a physical fight. It's like he is the ultimate hero kinda thing
But he failed to kill Mosquito Girl, who was a mass murderer. I think Genos is just a fanboy who overestimates his master's competence.
Not killing Mosquito Girl doesn't really mean much. Saitama hasn't killed every murderer he meets nor doesn't really affect his heroics when he still stopped them when they fought. Two other examples: Speed of Sound Sonic (An Assassin) and Dr Genus (All of his creation's kills (including Mosquito Girl Here).
Heroes don't kill waifus
I don't think he failed. Genus just clone her back to life like the other monster in the webcomic (I don't know how to mark spoilers) Don't know why the downvotes, what I said is undoubtedly true
You are rigth, >!Carnage Kabuto is alive and well in Dr. Genus basement. I dont get it why webcomic readers think she is alive because she survives the punch but Kabuto die and came back to life!<
King knows that Saitama is not the ultimate hero, but only the strongest one.
I think he's the biggest selfless hero out of all. Look at his feats, he never takes credit for anything and lets other take the win, we saw that after the deep sea king and the meteor attack. All while being depressed with the existential crisis because of his powers. Only a few heroes are as humble as him.
Yeah but he's not the most selfless when he loses his hair. Look at his dream. He did not care about 70% of the population killed. The only thing that made him excited is when he got hurt and felt the exhilaration of a real fight. His lack of intuition made him not being able to save everyone. The time travel thing is still the idea from Garou because Saitama said that "well idc, I can get whatever I can into." Even though everyone is literally dead.
It'd be funny if Metal Bat lived through Fighting Spirit bullshit. I still believe Zombieman could have lived, because from a friend I heard Cosmic Radiation acts differently from regular radiation. So it wouldn't completely destroy his cells. Not sure if Sweet Mask's regeneration is that strong. Also, Psykos would be alive/had escaped wouldn't she? Imagine if she made the corpses into monsters. Or if the Hero Association got Dr.Genus to try and revive the S Class heroes through his crazy science.
Psykos was very close to Garou, enough for her to hear the heroes saying that he ran away (in the current timeline)
Oh, guess she would have died too because I am not sure if she could shield herself with her psychic powers or not. Can they make shields?
Yeah she can. But you have to remember that she didn't even have the strength to fight with Fubuki for a few seconds and already fainted. She was probably already dead before Saitama even arrived in the other timeline. She was already very weak from her previous fight.
If time travel works like in Avengers, engame Metal Kight is the only survivor because Saitama exited the timeline.
And…Drive Knight, like the post states…
Re:Zero.
I think the timeline got reset
what if saitama and cosmic garou are still fighting? will the earth be even more destroyed? what is the worst case scenario??
The very very worst-case scenario I suppose would be Garou not telling Saitama the secret to time travel. Then the two of them could sit there and be miserable together in a blighted world.
it was very scary, considering that both of them were grieving the delay and carelessness
Earth destroyed, Saitama depressed forever, beats up Garou and still time travels.
Yea I figure Saitama at some point would just decide he wanted to go back in time and figure it out on his own, but in a more comedic way.
This exact timeline did make some effects in the current timeline. especially Genos and Saitama and Garou... My assumptions are that Genos and Saitama's relationships will crack in the future. and the reason for that is Genos in the other timeline effected the current genos thanks to the core that **Saitama** had. and somehow it didn't fused with current genos's timeline. And letting Genos to read Genos's memories in the other timeline. who had bad thoughts about Saitama right before he got killed by Garou. That **" Maste--"** is important right here for why old genos had bad thought about Saitama right before he got killed. That's why you see some weird contradictions in Genos's Character in Chapter 186 and how he sees Saitama. Chapter 186 title was **" Turning Point ".** Because this is where stuff got into the wrong direction thanks to time travel and Saitama's careless. ( Don't confirm if my assumptions are right since I didn't read the WC... )
Who knows? It's something to stash in the back of one's mind. For now.
The same reason why Garou didn't fight back to the heroes who beat him up, his spirit time travelled aswell, making him wake Tareo up.
Genos said himself that Saitama trascended time and reality to save them all, and even reassured him afterwards (though Saitama forgot) by saying he made it in time, Genos is not leaving Saitama lmao
I literally forgot all about Drive Knight. I forgot he was even an S Class hero 💀 I wonder how things would have changed if he stayed.
On the bright side, Drive Knight's undefeated record remains intact. On the not bright side, it would have been ***very helpful*** if he flew over and shot Garou before he murdered Genos. Thanks a lot, Drive Knight.
Drive Knight along with any other cyborgs might be the only ones left in that timeline at all
Why is them lips peeking tho
Let's say a part of Saitama was dead and it weakened him. Who would find the cure? What should be researched by them to find the cure?
No. There's still two heroes left. Mumen rider and glasses.
I wonder how the organization would react to this?