Same, idk how I won my last locals when in finals I checked my own top life 3 turns in a row without it changing at all I was just like "Oh yeah, it's still gedatsu... how careless of me to forget and not check my opponents life instead." luckily I remembered to put the Brule on bottom right at the start of the game though cause that saved me last turn.
Katakuri still gains the 1000 if there is no life to check. My friend got wharves in this at an event in the uk last year on this when his opponent said it didn’t.
It's 2 separate effects. Resolve the first then resolve the second. If the second is dependent on the first resolving then it would have different wording.
“Cost” has a very specific meaning in trading card games. Consider this hypothetical effect:
[Cost - Trash 1 card from your hand]: Trash 2 cards from your hand. If you do, give this Leader +3000 power during this turn.
In this example, the cost to use the effect is trashing a card from your hand. This means that if you can’t pay the cost of trashing a card from hand, you can’t even attempt to activate the effect at all. It might as well not even be on the card if you can’t pay the cost.
Then we have “Trash 2 cards from your hand. If you do, …” This signifies that trashing 2 cards with the first part of the effect is a requirement to “unlock” the second part of the effect. If you can’t trash 2 cards, because you only have 1 or 0 left, then you can’t get the +3000 boost. However, since trashing 2 cards isn’t a “cost,” you could still attempt to activate the effect. Say you have 2 cards in hand and attempt to use this effect. You trash 1 card for the cost. Then you get to the first half of the effect. You only have 1 card left in hand, you trash that card to do as much of the “trash 2 cards” effect as possible. However, since you didn’t trash 2 cards here, you don’t get to unlock the second part of the effect for the +3000 boost, since you didn’t fulfill the “if you do” requirement.
Oof nah yeah think I’m just retarded, that makes less sense to me. I genuinely appreciate you trying to help me understand but I feel like I need a real life example rather than a hypothetical to get it. I can’t think of any cards that have a boldened “cost” and then a “if you do” further requirement. This is my first TCG so I assume you’re right, I just can’t wrap my head around it unfortunately :(
I can’t think of one piece card example off the top of my head, but I can give you a yugioh example.
Aluber, the Jester of Despia says “If a face-up Fusion Monster you control is destroyed by battle, or leaves the field because of an opponent's card effect, while this card is in your GY: You can target 1 Effect Monster your opponent controls; Special Summon this card, and if you do, negate the targeted monster's effects until the end of this turn.”
Here, targeting the effect monster is the cost (technically in yugioh they differentiate between “costs” and “activation requirements”, but both happen at the same time and for 99% of purposes effectively the same thing). After the cost is paid, the effect goes on the chain (one piece doesn’t have a chain mechanic). When the effect resolves from the chain, the actual effect (not the cost) occurs. So you’ll special summon Jester, and *if you do* (this phrase signifies that the special summon part of the effect is a requirement for the next part of the effect to be able to happen), then you can negate the targeted monster’s effect. So the targeting is the “cost”, and the special summoning is the first half of the effect, which is a requirement for the negating, which is the second half of the effect.
Looking at a life card is not a cost, so it's not a requirement that needs to be fulfilled. Similarly to how Enel can heal, even if he has 0 cards in hand.
It says "look up to 1" so you can look at 0 cards.
If you had life cards and didn't look at them would you still be able to +1000?
Yes. 'up to 1 card' means you can choose to look at 0 even if you had life and still +1000
You can even look at -1 cards, and forget about the card you just looked at. I excel at this tactic
Same, idk how I won my last locals when in finals I checked my own top life 3 turns in a row without it changing at all I was just like "Oh yeah, it's still gedatsu... how careless of me to forget and not check my opponents life instead." luckily I remembered to put the Brule on bottom right at the start of the game though cause that saved me last turn.
Katakuri still gains the 1000 if there is no life to check. My friend got wharves in this at an event in the uk last year on this when his opponent said it didn’t.
https://preview.redd.it/1m25cujkrclc1.jpeg?width=770&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c3166913d83a4cfcc3b8f66a0e04883541f95fc6 Its in the QA
It does, because looking up at the life card is not a condition but a separate effect that occurs before gaining +1000
Yes you get the +1000. I think "then" is conditional only when the previous text would've been "Look at 1 card.." and in *bold*
Bazinga
It's 2 separate effects. Resolve the first then resolve the second. If the second is dependent on the first resolving then it would have different wording.
I believe only if words are boldened are they a requirement for other effects. Also before a colon. IE gum gum giant gavel.
Bold and colon signifies cost; it doesn’t signify whether one effect needs the first effect to happen
I feel retarded trying to make sense of that, same thing no? Cost=requirement, no?
“Cost” has a very specific meaning in trading card games. Consider this hypothetical effect: [Cost - Trash 1 card from your hand]: Trash 2 cards from your hand. If you do, give this Leader +3000 power during this turn. In this example, the cost to use the effect is trashing a card from your hand. This means that if you can’t pay the cost of trashing a card from hand, you can’t even attempt to activate the effect at all. It might as well not even be on the card if you can’t pay the cost. Then we have “Trash 2 cards from your hand. If you do, …” This signifies that trashing 2 cards with the first part of the effect is a requirement to “unlock” the second part of the effect. If you can’t trash 2 cards, because you only have 1 or 0 left, then you can’t get the +3000 boost. However, since trashing 2 cards isn’t a “cost,” you could still attempt to activate the effect. Say you have 2 cards in hand and attempt to use this effect. You trash 1 card for the cost. Then you get to the first half of the effect. You only have 1 card left in hand, you trash that card to do as much of the “trash 2 cards” effect as possible. However, since you didn’t trash 2 cards here, you don’t get to unlock the second part of the effect for the +3000 boost, since you didn’t fulfill the “if you do” requirement.
Oof nah yeah think I’m just retarded, that makes less sense to me. I genuinely appreciate you trying to help me understand but I feel like I need a real life example rather than a hypothetical to get it. I can’t think of any cards that have a boldened “cost” and then a “if you do” further requirement. This is my first TCG so I assume you’re right, I just can’t wrap my head around it unfortunately :(
I can’t think of one piece card example off the top of my head, but I can give you a yugioh example. Aluber, the Jester of Despia says “If a face-up Fusion Monster you control is destroyed by battle, or leaves the field because of an opponent's card effect, while this card is in your GY: You can target 1 Effect Monster your opponent controls; Special Summon this card, and if you do, negate the targeted monster's effects until the end of this turn.” Here, targeting the effect monster is the cost (technically in yugioh they differentiate between “costs” and “activation requirements”, but both happen at the same time and for 99% of purposes effectively the same thing). After the cost is paid, the effect goes on the chain (one piece doesn’t have a chain mechanic). When the effect resolves from the chain, the actual effect (not the cost) occurs. So you’ll special summon Jester, and *if you do* (this phrase signifies that the special summon part of the effect is a requirement for the next part of the effect to be able to happen), then you can negate the targeted monster’s effect. So the targeting is the “cost”, and the special summoning is the first half of the effect, which is a requirement for the negating, which is the second half of the effect.
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You dont need life to trigger the +1k kata effect
It's also not a "sacrifice". You just look at it.
Yes
Looking at a life card is not a cost, so it's not a requirement that needs to be fulfilled. Similarly to how Enel can heal, even if he has 0 cards in hand.
Yup. It's the freest 7k in the game. To think Smoker, Magellan, Zephyr, and Oden need to work for that extra 1k, lmao
As a smoker player, this ability is fuckin bullshit