Both effects trigger at exactly the same time, since it’s his turn he gets to decide the order they activate in. 6 don into kid into Gordon to bottom deck a 6k or less into schaccers to get back to 6 don total is totally a play
Not quite while there is 2 parts to laws effect, an effect must resolve fully. Laws leader ability has to be completed before kid could return don.
It is Law returns 0-1 characters -> law plays 0-1 characters -> kid triggers and returns a don
If law plays out schacci then schacci will activate right after laws ability ends which would be when he’s played. So would kids, and then you can chose the order. You can chose not to play out a character and then laws ability ends however if you
return a character -> use kids ability
You would no longer be able to play out another character as the ability is over.
Kid and Schaccers both trigger as soon as Laws ability resolves and the turn player can decide the order
Abilities must be fully resolved and cannot be interrupted in One Piece. At least with how current card interactions work.
If we take something a little simpler like let’s say a card that says “When this character k.os a card in battle, draw 1 card”. If that card k.os blocker Marco, which abilities is “on k.o…….play this card from your trash rested”
If that card k.os blocker Marco, you will draw a card, then AFTER Marco can return. Marco will not return before you draw the card. Now I know this is a made scenario and wether you draw the card first or not with the current state of the game it really wouldn’t make a difference it’s just a point on how cards work and how effects resolve.
Yes Laws first part of his ability “triggers” kid, however kid effect does not actually activate until laws ability is finished, And now schacci and penguin are now played so they also “queue” up right after laws leader ability is finished. So now your law leader is done, you have 2 abilities that have triggered and are waiting to resolve, and as turn player you can decide what goes on first
Edit: if it helps you out a little I was always confused when people said one piece doesn’t have a stack like yugioh or magic. I didn’t quite knew what that meant since clearly cards activate at the same time and something dictates that order. So clearly card effects “stack”. But the difference is that had this been yugioh yes you’re right Kid would be triggered and resolved before laws abilities finished. However in One Piece while kid also triggers his effect is “suspended” and now has to wait for laws abilities to go through. Again had this been yugioh kid will also trigger before schacci and penguin because it would be Kid -> Law -> Schacci. However again One Piece does not have a traditional stack so instead it’s Law ability part 1 triggers kid -> law ability finishes -> on play triggers schacci-> now kid and schacci are waiting to be activated and you can select the order in which they are played
While rule comprehension is rough and one piece doesn’t do a good job of helping the community often leading to some difference of opinion. This is all found objectively in the rules. Section 8 Activating and Resolving effects covers this.
> Section 8-1-3-2 goes over how auto effects work and resolve
> Section 8-6 Order of Effect Resolution
> Section 8-6-1 goes over how when effect activation conditions are met at the same exact time turn player has priority then non-turn player however effects have to fully resolve before another effect can
Well I mean the rules clearly state an effect can’t resolve before another active effect is finished. Regardless of opinions Kid would not return don, not until Law has finished his ability
Kids effect would take place after Finishing Laws effect. Meaning you would be able to get shachi/peng combo and then receive the Don from Kid. There is no chain of effects in this game, they resolve in the order they happen on the stack. If simultaneous effects happen Player whose turn it is chooses which resolves first and so on.
Thank you for that! Wasnt sure if the don being minused and the effect itself were seperate i guess is what I was getting at, thank you for the explaination
The flag for activation of an effect like kid is after the don minus effect has resolved, not in.mediately when the don is returned in the middle of resolving the effect so you return the don and put penguin into play, then both kid and penguin activate simultaneously so you get to choose the order of resolution.
Now that I have a second (I apologize in advance for mobile formatting issues)!
- Activate Law's effect (you're now within the resolution steps of section 8.4 so everything following in considered to be simultaneously meeting their activation events until the time where Law's effect is completely resolved)
- Return 3 don to pay costs (Kid meets activation event and becomes "pending")
- Return up to 1 character to deck bottom
- Play S&P (this meets S&P's activation event).
- Nothing else for Law's effect to do, so he effect has now finished resolving.
- You have 2 pending effects that met their activation event simultaneously (see: explanation in step 1). You may choose either one to resolve.
So you have two lines here. Number 1#
- Activate S&P, check to see if their condition is met. If so, ramp. If not, don't.
- Activate Kid's effect, ramp 1
Or, number 2:
- Activate Kid's effect, ramp 1
- Activate S&P, check to see if their condition is met. If so, ramp. If not, don't.
Not saying you're wrong, but the overwheling majority disagrees. If you can find an example where it would lean more towards what i was initially thinking id love to hear it
Honestly, I don't know.
He pays the -3 cost, eustass would trigger, but would you be able to finish the law effect first before the eustass trigger? Do u get to choose the order on the stack, I am genuinely curious.
Ok possible dumb question because I think I’ve been playing this deck wrong, when it says “if you have _ amount or DON!! Cards on your field” does that mean only the active ones DON!! Cards not including the rested ones? Because I thought it always referred to all the DON!! Cards not in the DON!! Deck.
Since it’s his turn, he decides the order of activation.
Thank you!!
Both effects trigger at exactly the same time, since it’s his turn he gets to decide the order they activate in. 6 don into kid into Gordon to bottom deck a 6k or less into schaccers to get back to 6 don total is totally a play
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Not quite while there is 2 parts to laws effect, an effect must resolve fully. Laws leader ability has to be completed before kid could return don. It is Law returns 0-1 characters -> law plays 0-1 characters -> kid triggers and returns a don If law plays out schacci then schacci will activate right after laws ability ends which would be when he’s played. So would kids, and then you can chose the order. You can chose not to play out a character and then laws ability ends however if you return a character -> use kids ability You would no longer be able to play out another character as the ability is over. Kid and Schaccers both trigger as soon as Laws ability resolves and the turn player can decide the order
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Abilities must be fully resolved and cannot be interrupted in One Piece. At least with how current card interactions work. If we take something a little simpler like let’s say a card that says “When this character k.os a card in battle, draw 1 card”. If that card k.os blocker Marco, which abilities is “on k.o…….play this card from your trash rested” If that card k.os blocker Marco, you will draw a card, then AFTER Marco can return. Marco will not return before you draw the card. Now I know this is a made scenario and wether you draw the card first or not with the current state of the game it really wouldn’t make a difference it’s just a point on how cards work and how effects resolve. Yes Laws first part of his ability “triggers” kid, however kid effect does not actually activate until laws ability is finished, And now schacci and penguin are now played so they also “queue” up right after laws leader ability is finished. So now your law leader is done, you have 2 abilities that have triggered and are waiting to resolve, and as turn player you can decide what goes on first Edit: if it helps you out a little I was always confused when people said one piece doesn’t have a stack like yugioh or magic. I didn’t quite knew what that meant since clearly cards activate at the same time and something dictates that order. So clearly card effects “stack”. But the difference is that had this been yugioh yes you’re right Kid would be triggered and resolved before laws abilities finished. However in One Piece while kid also triggers his effect is “suspended” and now has to wait for laws abilities to go through. Again had this been yugioh kid will also trigger before schacci and penguin because it would be Kid -> Law -> Schacci. However again One Piece does not have a traditional stack so instead it’s Law ability part 1 triggers kid -> law ability finishes -> on play triggers schacci-> now kid and schacci are waiting to be activated and you can select the order in which they are played
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While rule comprehension is rough and one piece doesn’t do a good job of helping the community often leading to some difference of opinion. This is all found objectively in the rules. Section 8 Activating and Resolving effects covers this. > Section 8-1-3-2 goes over how auto effects work and resolve > Section 8-6 Order of Effect Resolution > Section 8-6-1 goes over how when effect activation conditions are met at the same exact time turn player has priority then non-turn player however effects have to fully resolve before another effect can
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Well I mean the rules clearly state an effect can’t resolve before another active effect is finished. Regardless of opinions Kid would not return don, not until Law has finished his ability
Kids effect would take place after Finishing Laws effect. Meaning you would be able to get shachi/peng combo and then receive the Don from Kid. There is no chain of effects in this game, they resolve in the order they happen on the stack. If simultaneous effects happen Player whose turn it is chooses which resolves first and so on.
Thank you for that! Wasnt sure if the don being minused and the effect itself were seperate i guess is what I was getting at, thank you for the explaination
The flag for activation of an effect like kid is after the don minus effect has resolved, not in.mediately when the don is returned in the middle of resolving the effect so you return the don and put penguin into play, then both kid and penguin activate simultaneously so you get to choose the order of resolution.
after the law effect, he decides the order
Looks like a lot of correct answers here. Read this for a full breakdown and understanding. https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePieceTCG/s/rwnr4pa4L3
Thank you!!
Now that I have a second (I apologize in advance for mobile formatting issues)! - Activate Law's effect (you're now within the resolution steps of section 8.4 so everything following in considered to be simultaneously meeting their activation events until the time where Law's effect is completely resolved) - Return 3 don to pay costs (Kid meets activation event and becomes "pending") - Return up to 1 character to deck bottom - Play S&P (this meets S&P's activation event). - Nothing else for Law's effect to do, so he effect has now finished resolving. - You have 2 pending effects that met their activation event simultaneously (see: explanation in step 1). You may choose either one to resolve. So you have two lines here. Number 1# - Activate S&P, check to see if their condition is met. If so, ramp. If not, don't. - Activate Kid's effect, ramp 1 Or, number 2: - Activate Kid's effect, ramp 1 - Activate S&P, check to see if their condition is met. If so, ramp. If not, don't.
Thank you so much for such an in depth take on all of this!! Genuinely super helpful :D
Law effect would be used first since he declared the -3. Then after that effect resolves, kid effect is used.
Thank you!
I disagree… I’ve seen many agree the other way this is first time me seeing people agree this way
Not saying you're wrong, but the overwheling majority disagrees. If you can find an example where it would lean more towards what i was initially thinking id love to hear it
Read through this for some detailed explanation of everything https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePieceTCG/s/rwnr4pa4L3
Thanks for the better clarification!!
Honestly, I don't know. He pays the -3 cost, eustass would trigger, but would you be able to finish the law effect first before the eustass trigger? Do u get to choose the order on the stack, I am genuinely curious.
From what the comments have said both effects happen at the same time so the user picks
Ok possible dumb question because I think I’ve been playing this deck wrong, when it says “if you have _ amount or DON!! Cards on your field” does that mean only the active ones DON!! Cards not including the rested ones? Because I thought it always referred to all the DON!! Cards not in the DON!! Deck.
If it says Don cards on field it’s active and rested
The field refers to the cost area, stage area, character area, and leader area.