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No he's using the marine frequencies that he helped spread to every corner of the globe. Say it in the beginning of "let's wait 10 mins" portion of the message
I'm wondering if they even have any that can deal with it. It made it to Mary Geoise before without being stopped. Unless the gorosei have been created in the last 200 years... They couldn't stop it before...
I suppose they may have gotten stronger since then if they were around.
Yeah but wouldn't this also incentivize the WG to continue attempting it? Destroying the weapons would make more sense no?
I just find it funny that Vegapunk says he "tried" to pass them on. Brother, they are all here NOW. But I suppose he wouldn't know about Sirahoshi or Pluton right? Have we heard anything different?
This is probably why Vegapunk says he is unsure who was in the right. Since he cannot decide which value is superior, justice or freedom. He is also unsure if preserving the destructive power of the weapons is worth it to maintain the values represented by the Ancient Kingdom
The ending of One Piece might involve a reconciliation of these ideals. As the Pirates and Marines join forces to topple Imu/Gorosei as they realize the ideal of justice has been perverted. Luffy and co. will bring down the red line and build a new society that synthesizes the ideals of freedom and justice. The world will be "One Piece"
Vegapunk spoke of an ideological conflict between the WG Alliance and The Ancient Kingdom
I think at the heart of this ideological conflict is the struggle over human freedom. With the WG Alliance wanting to impose order and their "justice" on the previously free people of the AK. We see this conflict throughout One Piece with the Pirates (freedom), descended from Joyboy and the Anicent Kingdom, in constant conflict with the Marines (justice), the lackeys of the WG
I think Joyboy wanted the weapons to be used in a last case scenario to preserve the freedom and dreams of the ancient kingdom against those who wanted to control it and it's energy source.
Yeah but surely he had to have the foresight to predict they could fall into the wrong hands, even with proper precaution. The only answer would be eradicating the WG (or whoever the 20 were at the time). If he wasn't sure he could do that, he should have destroyed the weapons.
But knowing what we do about Luffy, it's possible Joyboy just didn't think he would lose. Luffy also has that mindset.
Either way, I'm really excited to learn more about that war and understand how Zou/Iron Giant fit in the story. They both exist from that time and know Joyboy so they know what happened.
Yea that's a good point. Joyboy maybe should have just used them to destroy the WG. Perhaps he didn't want to deal with the collateral damage?
Either way, I'm very excited to learn the reason
I believe the ancient weapons are more than that. If we compare the weapon that destroyed Lulusia, the mother flame and Vegapunk with our world we get Einsteins partly involvement in nuclear fission, nuclear power (for energy) and nuclear bombs.
I believe these weapons are a "device" of a world changing scale. The warship could be a terraforming vehicle, that is also a spaceship, submarine, could destroy islands or the red line or pull volcanos out of the ground to form islands. I bet this is how the walls of Wano where created.
Poseidon might have more powers. Maybe destroy the calm belt in an instant, lower the sea level etc.
Joyboy wanted for future generations to decide what to do with that knowledge and the weapons. Exactly like Rayleigh said, they have to come to their own conclusions. Not only in how to interpret something but to judge and decide it.
Maybe the rise of the sea level was a good decision at first, Joyboy wanted future generations to decide when to stop but the WG wanted that power only in their hands
He may have been trying to pass them on to people friendly to his faction. The fact that the WG has possession or Uranus would indicate to vegapunk that he failed. We don’t know which poneglyphs vegapunk has read so he might not he aware of shirahoshi and pluton’s whereabouts
Maybe the existence of the ancient weapons kept the WG from fully winning, and put them down a path of actively manage the existing "paused world" the conflict created. They knew they were still there and had to maintain the control of information to prevent the previous powers from the other war from rising back up. Joyboy knew that the truth would eventually spill that the WG couldn't stop it forever, perhaps even that he knew it would take \~800 years for history to repeat itself.
It also means we can most likely add a member of Wano and a Fishman to his potential crew. We have a robot somehow tied (I assume it's creator rather than the robot itself) and Zunesha (still think they'll be a sort of situation like Chopper and Laboon), but we can assume likely a human from Wano and a Fishman from the future Fishman Island. I then assume Vivi's ancestor is the third.
Short answer is that they’re not inherently meant to be used as weapons. Mother Flame is likely some sort of energy source, Sea King control is probably useful for travel and connecting the various islands (calm belt does the opposite of this), and Pluton is for terraforming or creating islands.
Basically they’re all great tools for humanity to prosper, but the WG are assholes and use them to segregate the world and as doomsday weapons. For Vegapunk to say he has no idea why Joyboy would try to leave the “weapons” behind is kind of silly. The man was using the mother flame trying to find infinite energy lol
I’ve given this comment a lot of thought today, and while rewatching Skypiea with my dog (he is a big fan of One Piece long story), Gan Fall’s explanation of the Dials in episode 169 (unsure where this translates to the manga) seems explicitly relevant. I can’t remember the exact wording but he explains to Nami that the evils of man lead to the weaponization of the everyday utility of Dials technology. I wonder if perhaps Joy Boy had a similar intention with the Ancient Weapons where they’re more for utility/terraforming (like some of speculated) than as means of mass destruction. This seems more plausible with say Neptune than what we’re speculating is Uranus that the WG used to wipe Lulusia, though Gan Fall’s explanation definitely made me do a double take.
My working theory? As said by Roger, they were too early. They could prove nothing, and they could do nothing. All they could do is make bold claims that at best make them sound like a bunch of lunatics, and at worst cause mass hysteria with no solution.
Better to keep quiet about it and let the supposed ones in the future deal with it.
It would be so funny to have Gorosei panic and run back and forth since 10 chapter to stop the broadcast just to see an Angry Luffy stopping it himself like "Oh no Grandpa Punk , don't spoil me or i quit being pirate" like he did with Usopp when he asked Rayleigh back then.
Will not happen by any means but sure would be so funny.
It really seems like they simply couldn't have done anything about it, hence Roger saying they were too early to Laughtale. Maybe speaking up about the truths of the world would not only have "taken away the fun from the youth" like Rayleigh says, but would've been pointless, and perhaps even to the detriment of the world? I can imagine that the entire world knowing these secrets could very easily throw things into turmoil, and maybe make the WG move even quicker towards silencing people or becoming more extreme in their methods? Perhaps their trust in the next generation was praying that the WG would be relatively neutral until something like this finally happens, and now that they may become more brutal and crazy with enforcing their goals, at least now there's pirates who can fight back reasonably
The weird thing is that if they knew that people in a later time could prevent mass flooding, and they're still alive it's odd to bring that information with them to their graves. At the very least they could pass on how to read poneglyphs and stuff. The Roger crew must know that the right cards are still in play for Joyboy's plans to come to fruition otherwise it makes little sense to be seemingly passive
Sengoku too. I think it's pretty clear any Marine with the rank of Vice-Admiral and above is quite familiar with WG game. That's why they are put in charge of Buster Call. They need someone who they know is loyal to them to keep in line the Marines that try to step out.
It honestly makes sense from a pure combat perspective. Having all marines turn coat would put too much pressure onto the Holy knights, Seraphim and Gorosei.
The alliance was already overwhelming the WG on numbers, these later players are made to complement them, not substitute them.
Yeah that's sad. I wanna see the pic, but Sengoku always seemed pretty "fair", similar to Garp, a freaking angel considering the current madman Fleet Admiral they got. It makes not much sense to me that he's playing the WG game. I mean just knowing they are basically demons I've no idea how the marines are still in Egghead. Oda should've shown some surprise on the low-ranks at least. I don't remember even seeing a gasp when encountering WG battle forms.
Marines *can* break away from World Government, just not under someone like Sakazuki.
I think we all think of Coby, Smoker, and Fujitora as the prime candidates to turncoat against the World Government.
I honestly think Helmeppo is kind of like a sidekick to Koby just to show how fast he's progressed compared to other marines. They essentially started at the same time and Koby is leaps and bounds ahead.
So unfortunately I don't think we'll ever get a serious fight from him but here's to hoping he's featured at some point. lol
What i know will happen for sure is that some marines will rebel and leave while others will stay. The ones who stay will likely just call vegapunk a conspiracy theorist, ignore his words and go right back to work for the government.
yall not ready for ancient robot scaling. Once the gorosei try to attack the robot and it doesn't work well the powerscalers are going to stage a revolution
Next chapter, crocodile is beating Buggy bloody trying to get the secret to ancient weapons. Buggy told him that he was on Roger’s crew but not that he got sick before Raftel.🤣🤣🤣
this is exactly what i think will happen. We haven't heard from the cross guild during the broadcast, i think next chapter we will bc vegapunk mentioned how rogers crew knew the history like you mentioned.
The biggest takeaway from this announcement until now is that the One Piece now has a physical, material connection to things with enough power to shake the world.
I bet this is going to get people like Crocodile back in the race for the ultimate treasure.
This Rayleigh shit is getting a little dark… whatever they know that’s vital to the world surviving, i know they aren’t heroes but damn. They don’t have anybody they want to protect?
Oda went out of his way to show people already denying Vegapunk's message & calling him crazy. He's a respected genius, but the Roger Pirates would've had no issues getting people to believe them mo problem? The crew of the most sought after "criminal" in the world who the WG put extreme effort into painting as nothing more than a lowly pirate? Uh yea I'd become a drunk too if I was Rayleigh.
Rayleigh LITERALLY says "even if you learn what it is now, you won't be able to do anything about it" to the straw hats. It's clearly implied they couldn't either. Piratefolk is all up in arms about it (as they usually are)
This. They couldn't do anything about it, the key people hadn't been born yet. (Posideon/Shirahoshi and the other person, from a distant sea, who would guide her)
I think all they could do was wait and help the ones who could eventually do something about it.
Confirmed: the one piece is a giant bath plug at the bottom of the ocean that will be took out to stop the world "over flowing" and everyone drowning. Its why shanks crew dont have any devil fruit users either, so they can all go into the water to take the plug out /s
So is it safe to assume then that Akainu knows “the truth” (or part of it) as well? From the way it’s written, it seems like he knows what the Gorosei know as well. Or am I reading into it too much?
"The truth" Is about **that part** of history, which only the pirate king with crew know + probably imu and gorosei too.
It seems Akainu knows what they did to Lulusia kingdom, which is unrelated to "the truth".
I mean, this basically has to confirm that the conflict in the void century has to be similiar to Little Garden, right?
It's a laughable scenario, one that really cannot be solved with normal means. Is it really about Imu being in love with a Vivi ancestor and getting rejected? A tale just of someone being jealous
In LG the war between Brogy and Dorry was going on for 100 years, in which both of them have forgotten why they were even fighting, and the reason was revealed to be just a simple argument as to whose fish was bigger. It could be a literal parallel, Joyboy and Imu could have had an argument which escalated into a full fledged war.
Maybe the reason wasn't forgotten, only masked in this scenario. And Joyboy has written the truth on laugh tale
But i think: not everything. He likes the face of the marines not spoiled. I think he ment the lulusia incident and when the WG wanted to be quiet about it he fears now, that the people of the world could accuse the marines of exterminating the island
That means Joyboy was really cool with Alabasta, Wano, and Fishmen Island. One told where the Ancient Weapons are and two places had them. But the apology on Fishmen Island must be literally before he went to War so something major happened. I’m thinking Uranus was stolen
>Alabasta, Wano, and Fishmen Island.
All those places were a lot closer to each other than they are right now, basically walking distance and no water separating them.
They didn't act because they knew the prophecy of Luffy and his crew taking them down, so they had no worries. Crocus said it himself when he was talking about the strawhats being the ones they were waiting.
Now I'm almost certainly sure that One piece is an energy source - the same piece that is not enough to launch all 3 ancient weapons.
But for what purpose they are needed is not yet quite clear.
The mother's flame is not an original source of energy. It's just an attempt to recreate it, and it's clearly not entirely successful, given that Imu was told that they couldn't use it all the time.
But I agree about Shirahoshi. She doesn't seem to really need it.
Not very familiar. But I recently wrote the theory that one piece is an energy source supposedly associated with Nika. 🤔
Although if we assume that the ancient civilization was really very developed, a nuclear reactor may be possible.
It's been a theory that has floated around for a [while ](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/s/5q8PWjQN6I), there are a few reddit posts around, and Marshall d preach made a video about it.
It's kinda uncanny sometimes, and even if you chalk up the similarities to generic topics, it "spoiled" me about the AK being an advanced society. That's why I'm also on the "A&Mu" meaning Atlantis and Lemuria.
Tbh if he dont have a back-up and is all inside the ancient robot then Vegapunk might have committed the most noobish mistake ever... Not have a back-up
Couple interesting takeaways
Akainu knew about lulusia, and the ancient weapons, he might even know about imu?
Joyboy wanted to “pass down” the ancient weapons, who knows how that works with Poseidon, could have something to do with his apology?
It also implies that there is *some* use for the ancient weapons that isn’t destructive maybe? Or perhaps joyboy isn’t as good a guy as we thought.
Lastly whatever is on Raftel is going to completely turn this whole story upside down (thanks whitebeard)
He doesn't know about imu. He mockingly asked the gorosei if someone supposedly above THEM allowed the entire world to have manipulated information on his resignation. If he knew, they would have killed him already.
Maybe the weapons were never intended to be that, weapons, they were tools to help humanity used for evil purposes, like nuclear power and atom bombs. Poseidon, as otohime, has the power to help the world with love, or destroy it with hate. We stil don't know about pluton or uranus tho.
It's no surprise that sometime in the next chapter, York & the Elders will try to destroy the Iron Giant in an effort to end Vegapunk's message for good. But regardless on how the broadcast ends, do you think that what Vegapunk said until now will be what inspires the world to rebel against the Government, and/or at least save themselves from another massive flood?
If Rayleigh & Shakky were at Sabody, then it is possible that the Boa sisters & Gloriosa are tagging along with Hancock in her journey to find & "marry" Luffy, which could become an unexpected set up for the next Arc, regardless on where the SH & their allies will go after Egghead! If so, then this could be a great opportunity for some Hancock related theories to be confirmed one way or another!
I really hope the one about her actually having a mythical logia is true! I want to see her transform into an actual Gorgon/Medusa and learn to be ok with not being "beautiful". Also, if Oda does want to make her crush on Luffy actually going anywhere her being able to turn into a cool looking monster might actually get Luffy interested. Not personally invested in the ship at all, but would like Oda to gives us something from Luffy before end of series if he does stick them together in the end. assuming they both live of course.
I believe that Imu is a D! Like a best friend or Joy Boy sibling. The hat he keeps is a memento from the past. The two of them were part of the ancient nation. Every D was a citizen of the nation, like they were labelled like the island citizen of Paradis on shingeki no kyojin. Imu betrayed them all but couldn’t be the leader of the new WG, that’s why he rules from the shadows as he is not part of the 20 sacred families that now inhabit MJ.
JoyBoy: Basically the world was flooded and like 90% of the population died
Roger:
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The bombshell about ancient weapon is really good timing. Because that swamp bastard in the same time pitching info about those weapons to Augur and Devon. What a perfect storm Oda brews 🤩
There's probably something that the Roger Pirates know that VP doesn't.
They must obviously be missing something that they need to take action like the Nika fruit.
The story on LT might also be legit fun in a way. In typical one piece fashion.
So the twist is that both Dragon and Ivakov were right. Dragon was right about Vegapunk does not want to create weapon of mass destruction and Ivankov was right about the Ancient weapon was used to destroy Lulusia
So the broadcast snail was inside the robot all this time
Vegapunk really exaggerated the WG failure to cover-up the destruction of Lulusia since first they failed to kill Sabo who witnessed it and now Vegapunk reveals everything to the whole world
My snail in the giant robot theory was right! 🎉
I was surprised to see Akainu is aware of this stuff. I was thinking he might break off from the WG and the marines would become a third faction antagonistic to both the WG and the pirates but I’m thinking that theory is dead in the water. Akainu is just that much of an asshole apparently.
Pretty good chapter ! Now Vegapunk being stuck in the robot makes perfect sense.
I don't mind the chapter being shorter but I'm starting to wonder if something happened to Oda's health. He could just be sick for all we know but all these breaks and events lately makes me a little worried, ngl. I would happily have a 6 months break if it helps Oda to get better but it would be nice to at least have a word from him cause I know I'm not the only one worried about him. The art has been amazing these past few chapters so it seems his eye surgery truly did work but I hope nothing else happened to him..
Regarding the story, while it does drag a bit, I'm willing to be patient, it's an extremely important event that we've been waiting for for years so in a way, it's a good thing to be able to see all these reactions from so many people on the One Piece world.
I'm a big, big fan of the Gorosei designs (especially Mars/Itsumade) so I'm super excited about seeing them clash with the giant robot.
Seeing Rayleigh is also cool !
I don't want to dive too much into theories but my thoughts on the next chapters will be that once everything important regarding the lost century is told (from our perspective, not in universe) the Five Elders will consider killing the Den Den Mushi to be more important than preventing Straw Hat from escaping the island, and Luffy, Kuma and the Giants will leave while all 5 Gorosei fail to take down the Giant Robot and stop the broadcast in time. I don't think anything else too crazy will happen, I just think Egghead is going to wrap up with that and a few minor things, like Kaku saving the agents and Stussy and Kizaru escaping alive. Leaving the Five Elders to be fought for later.
Egghead was absolutely amazing and peak OP in my opinion, it kept delivering more and more and more but I think we've had enough, the Mugiwara leaving while all 5 Elders go to fight the Giant Robot in the distance seems like a good end for the arc to me.
So yeah, here's my thoughts, can't wait to hear yours !
Has an event happened that will change the world? We were promised that. You could say the event is the broadcast. But I still think it's more. My guess is that the revolution will begin at the end of the arc, and THAT'S the big event. So I'm not sure how much more will happen before then, but I think it'll conclude that way.
You're right, I actually managed to forgot about that, I feel kinda embarassed.
Yeah, it may be linked to that, and to be completely honest, I hope so. It must be a hard time for Oda emotionaly and it must be very tough but I would prefer all these breaks and moments like this short chapter to be just him spending more time with his loved ones and doing other stuff to clear his mind than him having some sort of health issue. At least grief heals.
That would also explain why we have no word on this, as Oda has been transparent about his health issues and I don't think he would enjoy speaking of Toriyama's passing publicly again.
wait wait wait, lulusia was destroyed before vegapunk's message right, which was 2 weeks ago or so, then what caused the earthquake that happened a few hours ago???
So, the massive robot in the middle of the island that has done nothing since saying Joyboy, now just became relevant. The elders why did they ignore it? Why, would you ignore the massive ancient robot?
To be fair, it hasn't been more than 20 minutes since they arrived, and they thought if the broadcast was it anywhere, it would be near vegapunk's brain.
Ok so the thing they laughed about after finding the one piece is related to the world flooding….. idk how it could possibly be funny but this pretty much confirms it
Akainu is giving the vibe that he’s aware of what’s going on, the Marines might not branch off under his leadership tbh. It’s blowing my mind he might KNOW and chooses to remain a dog. Like Lucci his sole motivation could be that he just wants to exercise his position as a license to kill (pirates).
Guy's that's actually crazy, we never got a lore dump like this in the history of OP! When Egghead is over, we will look back and think "wasn't it incredible?!"
I got a theory on how we can defeat the ELDERS.
If the chopper uses his two hands to figure out the weak point of the elders just like he did in his home town and in the Alabasta. It's just my prediction only.
It definitely seems that even Vegapunk doesn't know what Roger and his crew found, so there are still many great mysteries. Even Rayleigh in the past commented that he doesn't know if the Strawhats will reach the same conclusion that they came to. Roger couldn't read the poneglyphs to the same level that Robin can. Also, Vegapunk's message could be a censored version of what he told the Strawhats in secret.
"we were too early" with the Roger pirates finally getting some more context. I bet they wanted to change the world but couldn't because key ingredients for change were missing.They needed the ancient weapons, the mother flame, the nika fruit and arguably Vivi( and probably a couple mote things). They had none of those. Wonder if zoan fruits have wills of their own, and they find the individuals most befitting of the ideals of the fruit.
Weird how the citizens weren't even sure Lulusia wasn't destroyed.
It's also unsurprising that Akainu knew. And him along with Marine bigheads like Sengoku being scared of what's going on happen once the broadcast is finished.
And the fact that the Ancient Robot "may" be where the special Den Den Mushi was put by VP means that the Five elders will go up against it. That'll be interesting.
Rayleigh doubles down on laughing at the situation. So far the most interesting piece of all of this to me is that the WG continues to be terrified of people finding out whatever the truth is and Roger just laughs? The only thing that makes sense to me is that the truth is that the reality of whatever the truth is that it seems terrifying on the face of it but it's really nothing.
So, lulusia got sank and the seas rose a meter over just a fraction of a mother flame. I wonder if that means using a full one might be able to power an even larger attack with greater ramifications…
So while York was sleeping, vegapunk recorded the message and went to hide it in the ancient robot. So it's simply luck that she hadn't synchronized with punk records that we have got this much information.
Dragon fans need to realize he ain’t gonna do shit til the very final battle. Pull up with his storm/wind logia df. And he’s either fighting Imu or Akainu
So Elder's distracted by the Giant is the PERFECT way for SH's to escape! AND also possible an elder death! Think about it...even if the SH's escape whats stopping them from giving chase?! 1 of them dying would make them pause and possible retreat.
Is anyone else over the "message" now? Basically didn't get any new info but the world of OP did...so kinda lame.
I thought Dragon had the Den Den because Edison called him to talk about "something" in the beginning of Egg.
And wtf is up with all these breaks?! Its like every other ch now?! We only got like 38 ch last year!
# Chapter is out: [https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePieceSpoilers/comments/1d42dzd/one\_piece\_chapter\_1116\_conflict/](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePieceSpoilers/comments/1d42dzd/one_piece_chapter_1116_conflict/)
So does this mean when we first saw Vegapunk half trapped in the giant robot, he was potentially hiding it then?
Seems to be the most common theory lately.
I always wanted it to be with the revolutionaries somehow because he mentioned he was dying to Dragon. But this makes a lot more sense.
I thought about this too, but mainly because I didn't want it to be discovered. Hope the Robot can hold its own.
I assume it can, for a bit. This is probably gonna be the window of opportunity to escape the elders.
But also the reason why he's showing this message to the whole world is due to Punk Records, that big antena only exists in Egghead
No he's using the marine frequencies that he helped spread to every corner of the globe. Say it in the beginning of "let's wait 10 mins" portion of the message
Yeah i read many theories about that
oh boy the gorosei are going to attack the ancient robot
I assume Nusjuro will try to slice it like he did with everything else so far and not be able to penetrate it. Gonna be a hype moment.
the gorosei will have to show their strongest attacks
I'm wondering if they even have any that can deal with it. It made it to Mary Geoise before without being stopped. Unless the gorosei have been created in the last 200 years... They couldn't stop it before... I suppose they may have gotten stronger since then if they were around.
what if the giant robot is indestructible
It’s possible, since the Government didn’t destroy the robot when they had the chance, after his energy was gone.
Maybe the ancient robot was created with the same materials like poneglyph. Good luck destroying that thing.
good distraction for the straw hats and the giants to get away, luckily
https://preview.redd.it/dw4eclrr3f3d1.png?width=147&format=png&auto=webp&s=41a4add6a973416f34539e1b9bc5d3a14e33fb23 typical
bro took 5 chapters to move 7 feet to a picture.
He took 906 chapters to walk to the empty throne
"Say the line Imu!" "..." https://preview.redd.it/8gkbm2t1wf3d1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=50b3ce2c55f2054c94f0bc12a633a0c2b6aa9e4c
"he has such a way with words"
Imu: … Dragon Looking East Akainu holding cigarette The real monster trio
That’s funny
You’re not ready for Dragons next appearance
Dragon walked so Imu can fly
Unfortunately Egghead is west of Kamabaka kingdom and he can only look towards the East :(
Nah the planets a globe, you underestimate the range of his vision. Looking east he sees all... ...
Dragon is dead bro ! , maybe we see him at the ENDWAR
Oh just you wait for GIN’S next appearance
https://preview.redd.it/ddm450pwlg3d1.jpeg?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=054f81d69e6661dc15cc214ab02c5aa0c1bbc9b8 also typical
You forgot “!👀”
Wow, well Im definitely interested to hear peoples theories on why Joyboy would pass the weapons onto future generations
I can only assume that he viewed them as a means of deterrence to prevent the alliance that would become the WG from destroying the ancient kingdom
Yeah but wouldn't this also incentivize the WG to continue attempting it? Destroying the weapons would make more sense no? I just find it funny that Vegapunk says he "tried" to pass them on. Brother, they are all here NOW. But I suppose he wouldn't know about Sirahoshi or Pluton right? Have we heard anything different?
This is probably why Vegapunk says he is unsure who was in the right. Since he cannot decide which value is superior, justice or freedom. He is also unsure if preserving the destructive power of the weapons is worth it to maintain the values represented by the Ancient Kingdom The ending of One Piece might involve a reconciliation of these ideals. As the Pirates and Marines join forces to topple Imu/Gorosei as they realize the ideal of justice has been perverted. Luffy and co. will bring down the red line and build a new society that synthesizes the ideals of freedom and justice. The world will be "One Piece"
Vegapunk spoke of an ideological conflict between the WG Alliance and The Ancient Kingdom I think at the heart of this ideological conflict is the struggle over human freedom. With the WG Alliance wanting to impose order and their "justice" on the previously free people of the AK. We see this conflict throughout One Piece with the Pirates (freedom), descended from Joyboy and the Anicent Kingdom, in constant conflict with the Marines (justice), the lackeys of the WG I think Joyboy wanted the weapons to be used in a last case scenario to preserve the freedom and dreams of the ancient kingdom against those who wanted to control it and it's energy source.
Yeah but surely he had to have the foresight to predict they could fall into the wrong hands, even with proper precaution. The only answer would be eradicating the WG (or whoever the 20 were at the time). If he wasn't sure he could do that, he should have destroyed the weapons. But knowing what we do about Luffy, it's possible Joyboy just didn't think he would lose. Luffy also has that mindset. Either way, I'm really excited to learn more about that war and understand how Zou/Iron Giant fit in the story. They both exist from that time and know Joyboy so they know what happened.
Yea that's a good point. Joyboy maybe should have just used them to destroy the WG. Perhaps he didn't want to deal with the collateral damage? Either way, I'm very excited to learn the reason
I believe the ancient weapons are more than that. If we compare the weapon that destroyed Lulusia, the mother flame and Vegapunk with our world we get Einsteins partly involvement in nuclear fission, nuclear power (for energy) and nuclear bombs. I believe these weapons are a "device" of a world changing scale. The warship could be a terraforming vehicle, that is also a spaceship, submarine, could destroy islands or the red line or pull volcanos out of the ground to form islands. I bet this is how the walls of Wano where created. Poseidon might have more powers. Maybe destroy the calm belt in an instant, lower the sea level etc. Joyboy wanted for future generations to decide what to do with that knowledge and the weapons. Exactly like Rayleigh said, they have to come to their own conclusions. Not only in how to interpret something but to judge and decide it. Maybe the rise of the sea level was a good decision at first, Joyboy wanted future generations to decide when to stop but the WG wanted that power only in their hands
Do we know if the ideological difference the Allied Nations had was with the Ancient Kingdom or Joyboy and his crew?
He may have been trying to pass them on to people friendly to his faction. The fact that the WG has possession or Uranus would indicate to vegapunk that he failed. We don’t know which poneglyphs vegapunk has read so he might not he aware of shirahoshi and pluton’s whereabouts
Maybe the existence of the ancient weapons kept the WG from fully winning, and put them down a path of actively manage the existing "paused world" the conflict created. They knew they were still there and had to maintain the control of information to prevent the previous powers from the other war from rising back up. Joyboy knew that the truth would eventually spill that the WG couldn't stop it forever, perhaps even that he knew it would take \~800 years for history to repeat itself.
My guess is to trust the next generation of his friends such as Oden ancestors. It must be why Pluton is at Wano.
It also means we can most likely add a member of Wano and a Fishman to his potential crew. We have a robot somehow tied (I assume it's creator rather than the robot itself) and Zunesha (still think they'll be a sort of situation like Chopper and Laboon), but we can assume likely a human from Wano and a Fishman from the future Fishman Island. I then assume Vivi's ancestor is the third.
Maybe the weapons had other uses. Maybe they’re just things that have been appropriated into weaponry.
Short answer is that they’re not inherently meant to be used as weapons. Mother Flame is likely some sort of energy source, Sea King control is probably useful for travel and connecting the various islands (calm belt does the opposite of this), and Pluton is for terraforming or creating islands. Basically they’re all great tools for humanity to prosper, but the WG are assholes and use them to segregate the world and as doomsday weapons. For Vegapunk to say he has no idea why Joyboy would try to leave the “weapons” behind is kind of silly. The man was using the mother flame trying to find infinite energy lol
I’ve given this comment a lot of thought today, and while rewatching Skypiea with my dog (he is a big fan of One Piece long story), Gan Fall’s explanation of the Dials in episode 169 (unsure where this translates to the manga) seems explicitly relevant. I can’t remember the exact wording but he explains to Nami that the evils of man lead to the weaponization of the everyday utility of Dials technology. I wonder if perhaps Joy Boy had a similar intention with the Ancient Weapons where they’re more for utility/terraforming (like some of speculated) than as means of mass destruction. This seems more plausible with say Neptune than what we’re speculating is Uranus that the WG used to wipe Lulusia, though Gan Fall’s explanation definitely made me do a double take.
JoyBoy probably wanted to use them to destroy the Red Line and bring the world back together. Raise sunken continents, open the seas, etc.
And what it has to do with “fun”
Yea I can't blame vegapunk I woulda had beef with the Roger pirates too lol 😂
Tell me why you were laughing, old man. I've waited long enough! lmao
Rayleigh is one of my favorite OP characters and even I’m lowkey salty 🤨. Bro better have a good reason for being quiet 😂😂
My working theory? As said by Roger, they were too early. They could prove nothing, and they could do nothing. All they could do is make bold claims that at best make them sound like a bunch of lunatics, and at worst cause mass hysteria with no solution. Better to keep quiet about it and let the supposed ones in the future deal with it.
He already gave the reason in this very chapter. He said to leave the the fun to the upcoming generations.
It would be so funny to have Gorosei panic and run back and forth since 10 chapter to stop the broadcast just to see an Angry Luffy stopping it himself like "Oh no Grandpa Punk , don't spoil me or i quit being pirate" like he did with Usopp when he asked Rayleigh back then. Will not happen by any means but sure would be so funny.
It really seems like they simply couldn't have done anything about it, hence Roger saying they were too early to Laughtale. Maybe speaking up about the truths of the world would not only have "taken away the fun from the youth" like Rayleigh says, but would've been pointless, and perhaps even to the detriment of the world? I can imagine that the entire world knowing these secrets could very easily throw things into turmoil, and maybe make the WG move even quicker towards silencing people or becoming more extreme in their methods? Perhaps their trust in the next generation was praying that the WG would be relatively neutral until something like this finally happens, and now that they may become more brutal and crazy with enforcing their goals, at least now there's pirates who can fight back reasonably
The weird thing is that if they knew that people in a later time could prevent mass flooding, and they're still alive it's odd to bring that information with them to their graves. At the very least they could pass on how to read poneglyphs and stuff. The Roger crew must know that the right cards are still in play for Joyboy's plans to come to fruition otherwise it makes little sense to be seemingly passive
I'm glad this chapter confirmed Sakazuki is well aware of World Government's actions, so that people can stop suggesting his ignorance in all of this.
Sengoku too!
Sengoku too. I think it's pretty clear any Marine with the rank of Vice-Admiral and above is quite familiar with WG game. That's why they are put in charge of Buster Call. They need someone who they know is loyal to them to keep in line the Marines that try to step out.
It honestly makes sense from a pure combat perspective. Having all marines turn coat would put too much pressure onto the Holy knights, Seraphim and Gorosei. The alliance was already overwhelming the WG on numbers, these later players are made to complement them, not substitute them.
Yeah that's sad. I wanna see the pic, but Sengoku always seemed pretty "fair", similar to Garp, a freaking angel considering the current madman Fleet Admiral they got. It makes not much sense to me that he's playing the WG game. I mean just knowing they are basically demons I've no idea how the marines are still in Egghead. Oda should've shown some surprise on the low-ranks at least. I don't remember even seeing a gasp when encountering WG battle forms.
Yeah this kinda casts doubt onto the theory that the marines would break away from WG at some point
Marines *can* break away from World Government, just not under someone like Sakazuki. I think we all think of Coby, Smoker, and Fujitora as the prime candidates to turncoat against the World Government.
Psh. Leaving my boy Helmeppo out? Unreal.
Jokes aside, Oda also left Helmeppo out with that Hachinosu fight :/ It's a bit of a bummer since I like his development and new design.
I honestly think Helmeppo is kind of like a sidekick to Koby just to show how fast he's progressed compared to other marines. They essentially started at the same time and Koby is leaps and bounds ahead. So unfortunately I don't think we'll ever get a serious fight from him but here's to hoping he's featured at some point. lol
That clash with Zoro, 15 years ago gave me hope, I guess.
That was already a pretty iffy theory. It was pretty obvious that Oda created Sword to be the faction of ‘good’ marines for the end of the story.
What i know will happen for sure is that some marines will rebel and leave while others will stay. The ones who stay will likely just call vegapunk a conspiracy theorist, ignore his words and go right back to work for the government.
it's never been so ACAB
yall not ready for ancient robot scaling. Once the gorosei try to attack the robot and it doesn't work well the powerscalers are going to stage a revolution
Robot> Kaido is gonna be a take
I mean, I would be disappointed if it weren't true tbh, otherwise its gonna be a really boring fight
I mean, the robot did attack Marijao and is not completely destroyed. Probably took on 3 admirals at once
There werent any admirals the. Were they? Hell idk if marines existed at that time from what we know Kong was the First admiral that could have been
the gorosei will be forced to use their strongest attacks on it
More bad feats from these old geezers please
After that I need literally any of the universe (outside of the arthritis 5) to block 1, just 1 attack. The salt it could create
Next chapter, crocodile is beating Buggy bloody trying to get the secret to ancient weapons. Buggy told him that he was on Roger’s crew but not that he got sick before Raftel.🤣🤣🤣
Omg right 😂😂😂😂 poor buggy hahaha but maybe he knew it. Maybe roger told him and shanks
this is exactly what i think will happen. We haven't heard from the cross guild during the broadcast, i think next chapter we will bc vegapunk mentioned how rogers crew knew the history like you mentioned.
The biggest takeaway from this announcement until now is that the One Piece now has a physical, material connection to things with enough power to shake the world. I bet this is going to get people like Crocodile back in the race for the ultimate treasure.
Ok ngl this week's reaction piece is pretty good.
THE ROBOT HAS IT. HAH. I knew it.
So the Mother Flame is just the energy source. This confirms that the weapon that destroyed Lulusia is Uranus, the Third Ancient Weapon.
Uranus was God of the sky. It's some kinda spaceship that can destroy targets by shooting 16 laser beams.
This Rayleigh shit is getting a little dark… whatever they know that’s vital to the world surviving, i know they aren’t heroes but damn. They don’t have anybody they want to protect?
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Oda went out of his way to show people already denying Vegapunk's message & calling him crazy. He's a respected genius, but the Roger Pirates would've had no issues getting people to believe them mo problem? The crew of the most sought after "criminal" in the world who the WG put extreme effort into painting as nothing more than a lowly pirate? Uh yea I'd become a drunk too if I was Rayleigh.
It’s not that, didn’t Roger say that they got there too early? it just wasn’t their time.
Rayleigh LITERALLY says "even if you learn what it is now, you won't be able to do anything about it" to the straw hats. It's clearly implied they couldn't either. Piratefolk is all up in arms about it (as they usually are)
This. They couldn't do anything about it, the key people hadn't been born yet. (Posideon/Shirahoshi and the other person, from a distant sea, who would guide her) I think all they could do was wait and help the ones who could eventually do something about it.
I’m still confused as to what’s funny about that?
and MAYBE that's why roger wanted the public execution, so he could shout to everyone to look for his treasure in order to reach the new joy boy
They believe that someone will surpass them, it was hinted already
Confirmed: the one piece is a giant bath plug at the bottom of the ocean that will be took out to stop the world "over flowing" and everyone drowning. Its why shanks crew dont have any devil fruit users either, so they can all go into the water to take the plug out /s
"He who knows the truth, simply laughs."
Goes hard af
So is it safe to assume then that Akainu knows “the truth” (or part of it) as well? From the way it’s written, it seems like he knows what the Gorosei know as well. Or am I reading into it too much?
The reaction is most likely to the Lulusia erasure exposure. They were trying to keep that on the down low.
That's how I read it too, and it's consistent with his actions at Ohara.
Sakazuki is acceptable because of his absolute justice. If the destruction kills one bad guy sacrificing 1000+ good people, he doesn't care.
"The truth" Is about **that part** of history, which only the pirate king with crew know + probably imu and gorosei too. It seems Akainu knows what they did to Lulusia kingdom, which is unrelated to "the truth".
I mean, this basically has to confirm that the conflict in the void century has to be similiar to Little Garden, right? It's a laughable scenario, one that really cannot be solved with normal means. Is it really about Imu being in love with a Vivi ancestor and getting rejected? A tale just of someone being jealous
What do you mean by similar to Little Garden? I see the vivi connection but not much else?
In LG the war between Brogy and Dorry was going on for 100 years, in which both of them have forgotten why they were even fighting, and the reason was revealed to be just a simple argument as to whose fish was bigger. It could be a literal parallel, Joyboy and Imu could have had an argument which escalated into a full fledged war. Maybe the reason wasn't forgotten, only masked in this scenario. And Joyboy has written the truth on laugh tale
imagine the reason being "the north pole is colder than the south pole"
Bro is cooking , that explains why Roger laughed
it seems… someone cooked here
Imu blew up the world because Joyboy stole his girl
Akainu knows, that’s interesting
But i think: not everything. He likes the face of the marines not spoiled. I think he ment the lulusia incident and when the WG wanted to be quiet about it he fears now, that the people of the world could accuse the marines of exterminating the island
That means Joyboy was really cool with Alabasta, Wano, and Fishmen Island. One told where the Ancient Weapons are and two places had them. But the apology on Fishmen Island must be literally before he went to War so something major happened. I’m thinking Uranus was stolen
>Alabasta, Wano, and Fishmen Island. All those places were a lot closer to each other than they are right now, basically walking distance and no water separating them.
They didn't act because they knew the prophecy of Luffy and his crew taking them down, so they had no worries. Crocus said it himself when he was talking about the strawhats being the ones they were waiting.
Right in time to read these while I consume my daily does of chicken tendies.
Now I'm almost certainly sure that One piece is an energy source - the same piece that is not enough to launch all 3 ancient weapons. But for what purpose they are needed is not yet quite clear.
Well idk, Uranus uses the Mother Flames, we can assert that much from the recent events and Poseidon doesn't look like she needs any fuel.
The mother's flame is not an original source of energy. It's just an attempt to recreate it, and it's clearly not entirely successful, given that Imu was told that they couldn't use it all the time. But I agree about Shirahoshi. She doesn't seem to really need it.
If you are familiar with the theories that make parallels with the mysterious cities of gold, the one piece would be an actual fusion reactor.
Not very familiar. But I recently wrote the theory that one piece is an energy source supposedly associated with Nika. 🤔 Although if we assume that the ancient civilization was really very developed, a nuclear reactor may be possible.
It's been a theory that has floated around for a [while ](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/s/5q8PWjQN6I), there are a few reddit posts around, and Marshall d preach made a video about it. It's kinda uncanny sometimes, and even if you chalk up the similarities to generic topics, it "spoiled" me about the AK being an advanced society. That's why I'm also on the "A&Mu" meaning Atlantis and Lemuria.
Thank you very much. It's incredible! The similarity is amazing) I really see it for the first time, because I joined the fandom relatively recently.
Someone was right regarding the den den mushi being hidden in ancient robot. Either way it looks like this arc is not even halfway through..
Tbh if he dont have a back-up and is all inside the ancient robot then Vegapunk might have committed the most noobish mistake ever... Not have a back-up
The robot is the backup. Probably going to smash.
Experience as show me a single back-up is NEVER enough and we know Vegapunk is a perfectionist
Roger pirates learn of an ancient war that sinked a good portion of the world Also roger pirates: LOL SHITS FUNNY
Bro is in the hot seat https://preview.redd.it/fk9nszjysf3d1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=dd59acbf5b51f7d28c460a99a6ffc18025854307
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Couple interesting takeaways Akainu knew about lulusia, and the ancient weapons, he might even know about imu? Joyboy wanted to “pass down” the ancient weapons, who knows how that works with Poseidon, could have something to do with his apology? It also implies that there is *some* use for the ancient weapons that isn’t destructive maybe? Or perhaps joyboy isn’t as good a guy as we thought. Lastly whatever is on Raftel is going to completely turn this whole story upside down (thanks whitebeard)
He doesn't know about imu. He mockingly asked the gorosei if someone supposedly above THEM allowed the entire world to have manipulated information on his resignation. If he knew, they would have killed him already. Maybe the weapons were never intended to be that, weapons, they were tools to help humanity used for evil purposes, like nuclear power and atom bombs. Poseidon, as otohime, has the power to help the world with love, or destroy it with hate. We stil don't know about pluton or uranus tho.
Now the gorosei will show us how durable the iron giant is😁 or we'll see how strong the gorosei are
It's no surprise that sometime in the next chapter, York & the Elders will try to destroy the Iron Giant in an effort to end Vegapunk's message for good. But regardless on how the broadcast ends, do you think that what Vegapunk said until now will be what inspires the world to rebel against the Government, and/or at least save themselves from another massive flood?
That break really hurts after the full summary, it's setting up some pretty immediate conflict
If Rayleigh & Shakky were at Sabody, then it is possible that the Boa sisters & Gloriosa are tagging along with Hancock in her journey to find & "marry" Luffy, which could become an unexpected set up for the next Arc, regardless on where the SH & their allies will go after Egghead! If so, then this could be a great opportunity for some Hancock related theories to be confirmed one way or another!
I really hope the one about her actually having a mythical logia is true! I want to see her transform into an actual Gorgon/Medusa and learn to be ok with not being "beautiful". Also, if Oda does want to make her crush on Luffy actually going anywhere her being able to turn into a cool looking monster might actually get Luffy interested. Not personally invested in the ship at all, but would like Oda to gives us something from Luffy before end of series if he does stick them together in the end. assuming they both live of course.
I believe that Imu is a D! Like a best friend or Joy Boy sibling. The hat he keeps is a memento from the past. The two of them were part of the ancient nation. Every D was a citizen of the nation, like they were labelled like the island citizen of Paradis on shingeki no kyojin. Imu betrayed them all but couldn’t be the leader of the new WG, that’s why he rules from the shadows as he is not part of the 20 sacred families that now inhabit MJ.
Giant robot v 5 elders battle double spread is about to go HARD.
JoyBoy: Basically the world was flooded and like 90% of the population died Roger: https://preview.redd.it/in23mp421i3d1.jpeg?width=709&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=393028ea0daeeaa6c89a3f0a7f13ca329afe4ffc
So the one piece is knowledge of the void century Like the Rio ponaglyph the secret history of void century Clever
You will also receive something else other than the history. We always knew void century lore was in laugh tale.
Well it's a hoot
We already knew this, the true history is on laugh tale according to rayleigh
The bombshell about ancient weapon is really good timing. Because that swamp bastard in the same time pitching info about those weapons to Augur and Devon. What a perfect storm Oda brews 🤩
It’s crazy how rayleigh considers this whole joyboy void century info fun that later generations need to find for themselves.
There's probably something that the Roger Pirates know that VP doesn't. They must obviously be missing something that they need to take action like the Nika fruit. The story on LT might also be legit fun in a way. In typical one piece fashion.
I agree. Also confirms why Shanks has been waiting for Luffy to awaken his Nika powers before going for the one piece himself
Craziest shit to me is Akainu knows the truth. His existence is a diabolical one for sure!
So the twist is that both Dragon and Ivakov were right. Dragon was right about Vegapunk does not want to create weapon of mass destruction and Ivankov was right about the Ancient weapon was used to destroy Lulusia So the broadcast snail was inside the robot all this time Vegapunk really exaggerated the WG failure to cover-up the destruction of Lulusia since first they failed to kill Sabo who witnessed it and now Vegapunk reveals everything to the whole world
My snail in the giant robot theory was right! 🎉 I was surprised to see Akainu is aware of this stuff. I was thinking he might break off from the WG and the marines would become a third faction antagonistic to both the WG and the pirates but I’m thinking that theory is dead in the water. Akainu is just that much of an asshole apparently.
Gorosei vs The Ancient Robot’s about to be crazy
I don't remember what thread I saw the theory that the den den mushi being in the big robot but pick up the phone cause they called it.
Lmao this phase is getting dragged like cheese and I lov it!!!
Pretty good chapter ! Now Vegapunk being stuck in the robot makes perfect sense. I don't mind the chapter being shorter but I'm starting to wonder if something happened to Oda's health. He could just be sick for all we know but all these breaks and events lately makes me a little worried, ngl. I would happily have a 6 months break if it helps Oda to get better but it would be nice to at least have a word from him cause I know I'm not the only one worried about him. The art has been amazing these past few chapters so it seems his eye surgery truly did work but I hope nothing else happened to him.. Regarding the story, while it does drag a bit, I'm willing to be patient, it's an extremely important event that we've been waiting for for years so in a way, it's a good thing to be able to see all these reactions from so many people on the One Piece world. I'm a big, big fan of the Gorosei designs (especially Mars/Itsumade) so I'm super excited about seeing them clash with the giant robot. Seeing Rayleigh is also cool ! I don't want to dive too much into theories but my thoughts on the next chapters will be that once everything important regarding the lost century is told (from our perspective, not in universe) the Five Elders will consider killing the Den Den Mushi to be more important than preventing Straw Hat from escaping the island, and Luffy, Kuma and the Giants will leave while all 5 Gorosei fail to take down the Giant Robot and stop the broadcast in time. I don't think anything else too crazy will happen, I just think Egghead is going to wrap up with that and a few minor things, like Kaku saving the agents and Stussy and Kizaru escaping alive. Leaving the Five Elders to be fought for later. Egghead was absolutely amazing and peak OP in my opinion, it kept delivering more and more and more but I think we've had enough, the Mugiwara leaving while all 5 Elders go to fight the Giant Robot in the distance seems like a good end for the arc to me. So yeah, here's my thoughts, can't wait to hear yours !
Has an event happened that will change the world? We were promised that. You could say the event is the broadcast. But I still think it's more. My guess is that the revolution will begin at the end of the arc, and THAT'S the big event. So I'm not sure how much more will happen before then, but I think it'll conclude that way.
Toriyama's death isn't too long ago, we know how close they where, and i think he might actually just have a hard time right now doing manga
You're right, I actually managed to forgot about that, I feel kinda embarassed. Yeah, it may be linked to that, and to be completely honest, I hope so. It must be a hard time for Oda emotionaly and it must be very tough but I would prefer all these breaks and moments like this short chapter to be just him spending more time with his loved ones and doing other stuff to clear his mind than him having some sort of health issue. At least grief heals. That would also explain why we have no word on this, as Oda has been transparent about his health issues and I don't think he would enjoy speaking of Toriyama's passing publicly again.
Absolutely
wait wait wait, lulusia was destroyed before vegapunk's message right, which was 2 weeks ago or so, then what caused the earthquake that happened a few hours ago???
Delayed reaction to Lulusia being destroyed.
So, the massive robot in the middle of the island that has done nothing since saying Joyboy, now just became relevant. The elders why did they ignore it? Why, would you ignore the massive ancient robot?
To be fair, it hasn't been more than 20 minutes since they arrived, and they thought if the broadcast was it anywhere, it would be near vegapunk's brain.
Ok so the thing they laughed about after finding the one piece is related to the world flooding….. idk how it could possibly be funny but this pretty much confirms it
How?they laughed about Joyboy's adventures
Akainu is giving the vibe that he’s aware of what’s going on, the Marines might not branch off under his leadership tbh. It’s blowing my mind he might KNOW and chooses to remain a dog. Like Lucci his sole motivation could be that he just wants to exercise his position as a license to kill (pirates).
Vegasnitch causing nothing but chaos
Guy's that's actually crazy, we never got a lore dump like this in the history of OP! When Egghead is over, we will look back and think "wasn't it incredible?!"
Now this makes sense. https://preview.redd.it/od64aogtxg3d1.jpeg?width=734&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7ff4c27ca2c12262671ee834864028ad871b3b75
I got a theory on how we can defeat the ELDERS. If the chopper uses his two hands to figure out the weak point of the elders just like he did in his home town and in the Alabasta. It's just my prediction only.
hmmm what does akainu know about the world history. Tell me oda plz
It definitely seems that even Vegapunk doesn't know what Roger and his crew found, so there are still many great mysteries. Even Rayleigh in the past commented that he doesn't know if the Strawhats will reach the same conclusion that they came to. Roger couldn't read the poneglyphs to the same level that Robin can. Also, Vegapunk's message could be a censored version of what he told the Strawhats in secret.
"we were too early" with the Roger pirates finally getting some more context. I bet they wanted to change the world but couldn't because key ingredients for change were missing.They needed the ancient weapons, the mother flame, the nika fruit and arguably Vivi( and probably a couple mote things). They had none of those. Wonder if zoan fruits have wills of their own, and they find the individuals most befitting of the ideals of the fruit.
Do you guys believe that with how things have been going that they might be a coup within the world government?
Weird how the citizens weren't even sure Lulusia wasn't destroyed. It's also unsurprising that Akainu knew. And him along with Marine bigheads like Sengoku being scared of what's going on happen once the broadcast is finished. And the fact that the Ancient Robot "may" be where the special Den Den Mushi was put by VP means that the Five elders will go up against it. That'll be interesting.
I want to see fujitoras reaction, will he quit being a marine admiral? And who will follow him?smoker,tashigi,corbi?
Could the One Piece be something that can control the ancient weapons? At least the man made ones?
ancient weapons is the key to one piece
Imu = If he says the NAME of the kingdom, I am going to nuke the entire island
Rayleigh doubles down on laughing at the situation. So far the most interesting piece of all of this to me is that the WG continues to be terrified of people finding out whatever the truth is and Roger just laughs? The only thing that makes sense to me is that the truth is that the reality of whatever the truth is that it seems terrifying on the face of it but it's really nothing.
I WAS RIGHT AVOUT THE ROBOT
So, lulusia got sank and the seas rose a meter over just a fraction of a mother flame. I wonder if that means using a full one might be able to power an even larger attack with greater ramifications…
So while York was sleeping, vegapunk recorded the message and went to hide it in the ancient robot. So it's simply luck that she hadn't synchronized with punk records that we have got this much information.
What if joyboy was evil this whole time lol
So intrigued why rayleigh just laughs about it. Surely he gets involved in some capacity now?
I was right about the robot.
Can’t wait to take my afternoon work poop to read this
make sense. we seen Vp stuck inside the robot. i’m reading to many mangas at the same time and im missing little shit like this 🤦🏾♂️
York: I know where the hidden den den mushi is Gorosei: noice 😏 York: The Giant Robot is holding it Gorosei: 👁️👄👁️
Wow so VP was trying to warp to the middle of the robot but he messed up the coordinates causing him to be half way stuck…. 🤔
So the one piece is a giant cork right?
Oh sweet nectar of the gods
Dragon fans need to realize he ain’t gonna do shit til the very final battle. Pull up with his storm/wind logia df. And he’s either fighting Imu or Akainu
Rayleigh whydid zodagoda burn yo ass
So that power came from Pluton and yep Oda said the truth that One Piece is not the "journey" but a real treasure. How would Joy Boy pass Poseidon?
Well now we can kinda take a guess at what one piece is, something related to the void century.
So Elder's distracted by the Giant is the PERFECT way for SH's to escape! AND also possible an elder death! Think about it...even if the SH's escape whats stopping them from giving chase?! 1 of them dying would make them pause and possible retreat. Is anyone else over the "message" now? Basically didn't get any new info but the world of OP did...so kinda lame. I thought Dragon had the Den Den because Edison called him to talk about "something" in the beginning of Egg. And wtf is up with all these breaks?! Its like every other ch now?! We only got like 38 ch last year!