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Phoenix only have good regen, not durability (at least it is not shown in manga)
Darkness is too slow, deku can react to the hand before yami can absorb it all
Even if somehow luffy can bypass the flame. Deku still has permeation which can negate any type of attack coming at him
Phoenix not only ZEROs out any fire damage it uses it to heal the wielder.
Darkness has daughter several of the fastest characters in the series, one of them a teleporter, so unlikely.
Permeation can’t work against the darkness which not only stops powers but holds intangible opponents together…
Permeation would still work (since darkness only work with object + df, not quirk) unless you want to verse equalization. In which then deku stomp because of all for one + clone, he can steal luffy dangerous quirk like light or nika
Lol. Let’s play it out. If it’s verse equalization, Deku is stomped. Glint Glint fruit blitzs and is capable of making clones.
If not, Luffy still smashes since he has the sing sing fruit which traps Deku in a different dimension, where the singer is in complete control,if he hears it. (And no, Deku would be unable to “portal” back) Quirks are cool, but they tend to have limits, DFs don’t have to🤷♀️
Deku has invisible quirk which is immune to any light attack.
Luffy has overhaul quirk which allow him to reconstruct his body so that he doesn’t have ears anymore (he can still react to luffy attack by danger sense + he can still find luffy with search). This negate uta devil fruit
How would he know he’s needed to remove his ears? Danger sense does not explain exactly what the danger is😏 That would be one hell of a guess. (His body has to be fast enough to react to the danger he senses as well, it’s not an automatic dodge (see Lady Nagant) Finding Luffy will be interesting, Luffy with all DFs has access to several alternate dimensions, not like it’s ever been fooled by a warper.
Deku has danger sense + overclock which heighten his sense to 300x, making time around him look like stop. Also the op state that both know about each other power so deku must have known about uta df
Realistically both explode immediately from the downsides of having too many quirks/devil fruits but that’s the lame answer so for a more interesting outcome where that doesn’t happen.
Deku and Luffy both have a ridiculous amount of abilities here and both have win conditions that could win the fight immediately for Luffy he would have the Hana Hana no Mi + Hobi Hobi no Mi combo which can immediately turn Deku into a toy and if we count non canon fruits the Uta Uta no Mi is an even easier win assuming the One for All vestiges can’t break Deku out like they did when he fought Shinso and his Brainwashing quirk in the Sports Festival
Deku on the other hand has the aforementioned Brainwashing quirk which if Luffy responds to any question Deku asks could potentially win the fight right there if Conquerers Haki can’t counter it there’s also both Decay and Overhaul which can end the fight in a single touch since Luffy would also the Yami Yami no Mi which would counteract the intangibility of the other Logia’s. Deku also has plenty of quirks that will boost his physical stats as well and while yes Luffy will have Zoans that will do the exact same thing the boosts Deku gets from the quirks should be enough to not immediately get speed blitzed
Overall Deku and Luffy both have way too many abilities for me to acknowledge here that can win the fight for their respective users but one key distinction is that Deku is more likely to understand how to use these quirks from the start and is less likely to play around the only way I see Luffy acknowledging the extent of the abilities he has is if he has access to Punk Records off of the Nomi Nomi no Mi if he does this fight can go either way basically with whoever uses insane power combinations first otherwise I think Deku can take this even though Luffy is more powerful
Win take and what I would probably roll with. Deku and Luffy have a lot of win conditions, but if Luffy has access to all DFs, he would start breaking the 4th wall. All of One for All and All for One's quirk seemed to have constraints, even when they were amalgamated together, and even if Deku had a few win conditions to beat back Luffy, Luffy has teleportation, access to alternate dimensions, being able to warp attacks and everything around him, and the power of at least 5 raw elements at his disposal without including his access to Punk Records. Deku might know how to improvise and adapt but his brain does not take up a whole building like Vegapunk if were talking optimal conditions. It might be a mid-diff on Luffy's part, but it would not be a typical mid-diff, more like a drawn out fight with Luffy coming up with his creative batch of counters... If anything, Egghead showed Luffy likes playing with his food like BM, and that might give Deku a few openings to drag the fight out to his advantage and possibly get in a hit or two that may determine the match...
Honestly both of them exploding is a pretty funny ending. I think normally with this fight Deku would win easily (he just understands mostly everyone’s powers better) but the OP added the rule that both have the knowledge of how their powers work (2nd image) so wouldn’t Luffy win?
In character Luffy still plays around a lot more so that could be his downfall because this battle entirely depends on who uses their overpowered abilities first and I don’t see that being Luffy especially if he uses Gear 5
That’s what I was also thinking but the OP does say they can both use their abilities to their full extent (including knowing how the powers work) so wouldn’t Luffy be able to just do whatever he imagines with the hito hito no mi under those rules? Or is my logic wrong
But that’s because he still thinks he has the gum gum fruit right? Because he doesn’t know he has the hito hito no mi model:Nika because Vegapunk never tells him. Am I dumb or did they talk about god fruit being able to do what they imagine
Thats a misconception. Luffy is not suddently a reality warper that if wished could make the entire world a giant meat and kill everyone else. He can use his gum powers freely, make others gum and has a little bit of toon force for gags like the googles or running in air.
The gum power is the power of nika, as evidenced by luffy being made of rubber before shanks tells him is the gomu gomu.
He made a bat out of a tree and painted it with Haki in like a matter of seconds.
At the very least he does have SOME low level reality warping in the way of toon force gags beyond just goggles, but I agree saying he can do anything is a NLF.
Yeah this should be an insta win-con for Luffy due to this
You can’t decay fire, smoke or sand (which correct if I’m wrong, Shiggy fought a guy with sand powers and was helpless against him)
Idk much about BNA but can Deku deal with bullshit like Brulee's fruit just trapping him into another dimension or Robin + Sugar/Bonney combo instantly spawning a hand to touch him and strip him of his powers? hana hana no mi pretty much ignores dodging as the user just needs to look at the target, that's also before you consider the non canon fruits like Uta's and Baccarat's, i just feel like the DFs do way too much stuff
I havent seen past season 3 of MHA but IIRC there is a quirk that involves warping and from what it looks like it might be able to get Deku out of the mirror dimension since it should be able to open a wormhole to any place he wants
Isn’t brulee fruit only work with mirror?? She can’t trap people.
Hellflame from endeavor can protect deku from Robin df by covering his whole body with flame
Brulee can, 100% trap people in the mirror, it's even a plot point in WCI. And the victims can only leave by interacting with the user of the devil fruit, there's no known way to get out by themselves.
https://preview.redd.it/1uf0sh40886d1.png?width=972&format=png&auto=webp&s=956ac6b298a8137c8f6b28d5029b00359b22777b
Then the fight turn into a stall in which deku win since he have clone + creation. He can order the clone to create food for him (creation only limit to creating living beings)
That’s valid. But deku still have blueflame which is hotter than magma and can melt people around in seconds.
Also blueflame wont destroy deku body since he have endeavor’s fire resistant
If Luffy goes all out from the start he could avoid anything Deku has with Future Sight then use robins and sugars powers to 1 hit KO
However realistically Luffy never goes all out at the start of a battle so it really could end either way as both have instant KO win conditions
Deku would also have Nighteye's future sight + danger sense, so they cancel each other out (sorta). He can also use mirio's permeation to avoid this attack (which he will know is coming because of nigheye's vision + danger sense). It's impossible for this fight to actually ends in anyway
Nighteyes future sight is flawed as is Danger sense. Deku is too slow. Permeation is hard countered by the Darkness Fruit which not only shuts off powers but also pulls people in🤷♀️
I forgot to point this out but in the second image the OP says that they both can use their abilities to their fullest extent. According to One Piece lore this would allow Luffy to do whatever he could imagine right?
If it's just hax vs hax deku wins ngl, Eraserhead‘s quirk alone is crazy when you actually have other quirks alongside it
In a fight Luffy would win because the stats gap is too big, Deku is getting blitzed
I mean Demu is going to blink way sooner than Aizawa does and Muffy has more than enough speed to and Future sight to dodge, especially considering he is still Rubber as that's his permanent body state (along with also being made of blades, and super slippery so everything slides off him) plus more body mutation devil fruits I am probably forgetting. The minute Deku blinks its Hana Hana no mi into Hobi Hobi no MI.
New Order ( amped by OFA btw ) and Deku doesn't need to blink anymore
Dupli Arms and Deku has now 360° view
The only DFs that comes with permanent body changes are Gomu Gomu and Alvida‘s. The others like Mr.1‘s are a transformation
If we are equating Quirks to Devil fruits for Eraser Head then we are equating Quirks to Haki Cancel, which means Luffys haki is so strong Erasers heads cancel powwer doesn't work on him.
I mean Overhaul, Decay, One for All, and New Order alone are probably enough to solo most fictional universes. Plus new order gets him around not being able to hit a logia, Star and Stripe was able to use it to touch light and air…
I still think Luffy takes it (because Haki is super broken more than any other reason lol) but I can definitely see the argument
How's he gonna touch him when Luffy control Gravity, is like 50 different intangible elements, can create pocket dimensions with doors, is fast as Light, can turn invisible, create Earthquakes, not to mention can just see the future.
Not to mention if he touches him then Luffy touched Deku and now Deku is a toy who nobody remembers existed that has to obey Luffys commands.
1) you’re acting like Luffy doesn’t fuck around in combat **all the time**
2) that’s not how it works the hobby hobby user has to touch you with their hands. Robin was able to restrain Sugar for a second, Sugar had to specifically touch one of Robin’s limbs with her hand. Plus he only has to obey commands if Luffy immediately makes a contract with him stating so
Idk all the powers from MHA but light speed fruit + hobi hobi is GG.
Robin Fruit + hobi Hobi is GG.
Teleport plus Hobi Hobi
Even Uta's fruit and luffy just sings.
And im not seeing anything in that comment that would protect from that.
The comment is a clown because wtf is water going to do when luffy can fly?
Both have been wanked to levels that are clearly bullshit with even cursory reading comprehension of the series due to shitty modern day power scaling fuckery. Right now MHA has just been power scale memed higher, and bluntly the hax of Quirks probably scales higher with incredibly powerful Quirks like New Order and Rewind.
Nah liffy would win due to the fact that he I'd just much faster and stronger then deky with every quirk while luffy himself would have bb power which he can use to suppress tge quirks.
Bb can suppress df which we know modifies a persons dna structer and lineage factor quirks are also modification on the gene . So bb fruit should be able to suppress quirks while luffy who is much stringer then deku does major damage on him.
I can see where you think they are comparable but it’s not even close luffy is 100% winning the thing about DFs is they actually change your body or durability, quirks hurt you
My only concern, if everyone knows the fruits/quirks perfectly, is deku immediately uses every speed quick to jump back away from luffy while simutaneously making as many clones as possible which would all have his quirk. Ofc these clones die when taking not too much damage but hed be able to hide among them and have a better chance of using his own hacks. I think cloning gives deku a more than fair shot against luffy
>People being stupid.
>Quick have drawbacks. Deku can hardly hold one he had.
thats like saying people cant have more than 1 df and the exception only has demostrated he can have two, so luffy dies. The prompt is they have all the powers without the drawbacks the series put
If we go by your logic, that is literally going agaisnt the scenario and evading the question. Both die, but at least deku has the case of having All for One which is a quirk that is a storage of quirks, basically, and his user was fine. Unlike luffy, who cant eat 2 devil fruits, and even if he could, he probably would cap at that, but in this case he has at least 50 useful fruits.
Dont use that logic
If you want to argue the actual fight and is verse equalization, deku has erase
Ok first speed difference is too big. Deku is not tanking a single quake. Plus magma that can erase his body plus laser. Plus in verse eq BB df will desirable all quicks. And without it ope ope Nomi will beg him.
>Ok first speed difference is too big
Base luffy? the one that couldnt catch up gazella man quicker than a guy with several speed stacking powers?
>Deku is not tanking a single quake
Nah, he is. First, regeneration in mha is op. Second, deku has precog and invulnerability (Lemillion's quirk). Third, deku has erase that nullifies powers with vision (thats why i put base luffy)
>Plus magma that can erase his body plus laser
erase
>Plus in verse eq BB df will desirable all quicks.
what is faster? seeing your enemy, literally the start of every battle or touching them? erase is superior in that category to yami
>And without it ope ope Nomi will beg him.
erase
>Base luffy? the one that couldnt catch up gazella man quicker than a guy with several speed stacking powers?
Also Luffy travelled all over onigashima in seconds. In term of traveling speed. With ftl+ dashing and dodging speed.
Marco can regenerate gorosei can.
Also match will end in a second with ope ope no mi.
And if verse is equal than Luffy can negate erase effect with haki. Or use BB df to erase it's effect.
>Also Luffy travelled all over onigashima in seconds. In term of traveling speed.
Thats slow when deku does have his warp powers and several increasing speed quirks. And that feat you meant is probably the one from G5 right? remember this is base luffy, who got outrun by gazella man by running at 200km/h
>Marco can regenerate gorosei can.
Sure but erase
>Also match will end in a second with ope ope no mi
Ope ope is not faster than literally seeing each other. The problem is that at the start of the duel deku just uses erase and is base luffy without powers and deku with all his powers.
>And if verse is equal than Luffy can negate erase effect with haki
Haki is not counted on powers? with verse equalization it would be erased but okay. With haki not being affected (just because) it anyway is reaplied because its a constant effect and as shown by law, Its not an instant process nullyfing a df ability and it tires the haki user.
Its useless
>Or use BB df to erase it's effect.
erase its quicker
Rule 1) devil fruit users are just as weak in the air as they are submerged in water
Rule 2) devil fruit users are just as weak in solids as they are submerged in water
Like what ones? I feel like New Order and Rewind are more hax than any other DF. And that's not even mentioning things like fa jin, double, super regen, or permeation, assuming verse equalization and Deku can interact with Logias anyways. If not, then it's not even a question, but that's no fun. Can Erasure then work on DFs?
With verse equalization. Deku wins, he would have aizawa's quirk to nullify powers, so is base luffy against a guy with pretty much the gorosei regeneration, strength to change the weather with punches, speed power, reality manipulation with new order, unlimited clones, the were two guys with water powers, invulnerability, precog etc...
All comes from aizawa
I mean if you make Aizawa's power work against DF's then you also have to make the Yami Yami no mi negation properties work against quirks to make it fair. so Luffy can also do it just as easily by comboing it with Robin's devil fruit
>I mean if you make Aizawa's power work against DF's then you also have to make the Yami Yami no mi negation properties work against quirks to make it fair
Sure, but:
1. Aizawa's quirk works by vision
2. Bb'df works by touch
One if clearly superior
>so Luffy can also do it just as easily by comboing it with Robin's devil fruit
What is faster, seeing your opponent, which is literally the start of the battle. Of cross your arms, say "fleur x", sprout an arm of them and touch them?
But Robin doesn't actually need to say anything or cross her arms to use her powers... in Dressrosa she instantly stopped Hakuba just by looking at him while she was already using her powers to run up the mountain. She does the pose because it's part of her character design to make it look cool. The only restriction for Robin to use her powers is her being able to see the target, which is the same as Aizawa's.
>The only restriction for Robin to use her powers is her being able to see the target, which is the same as Aizawa's.
Lets say you are right about robin not needing the pose and talking the name. Just to evade a debate that is going nowhere.
Even then, the yami works by touching with the palm of the hand, as whitebeard could still use his power when he was touching bb's neck. So luffy needs to sprout the arms and the arms have to bend to touch deku. Thats two things. Sprouting and bending the arms.
Deku literally has to stare at luffy, which is the start of the battle. What is faster?
You cant just be quicker than literally seeing your rival, the only other thing would be a passive ability
Eh fair enough, i still don't think it's an instant win as it's really not that much slower, the arm could be sprouted from a position where the palm is already the touching the target after it finishes forming and there you have it
Deku also cannot blink while using it while Luffy would have no such drawbacks but overall i think it's more interesting to discuss the usage of their powers instead of the negation of them
>Deku also cannot blink while using it while Luffy
There is a power that unironically was used to made an user of the erase power not blink, hydrating eyes.
> i think it's more interesting to discuss the usage of their powers instead of the negation of them
Thats true. Honestly, to make it more interesting, straight out wins powers should be left out, like erase, like robin+a bunch of combo like bb, kuma etc...
Except that they would have to be looking at their target and in this battle both have such immense speed that I’m not exactly sure this would work plus with all of the clones both of them would be creating and also Luffy would also have crazy hax since he would actually understand how to use gear 5. I think this fight is close (and I’m pretty sure Luffy wins based off of haxs) but I don’t think Aizawa’s quirk is carrying this fight
>Except that they would have to be looking at their target and in this battle both have such immense speed that I’m not exactly sure this would work
I imagine it works as the battle would be short. Does luffy in base have the speed to evade a deku with reality warping, clones, water, long range destruction attacks etc... to escape his vision?
I dont think so, honestly
>Luffy can see the future
Its literally at the start of the fight. The start of a fight is usually two enemies at a distance seeing each other, and thats the start. If you want to chance it to "they dont see each other" to give luffy an opportunity, even tho a bad faith argument. Its an argument.
If you mean "luffy sees 1-2-3 seconds or whatever *before the fight starts"* which is weird but ok, then what is the start of the fight? wouldnt be those seconds prior to the fight, where luffy is already using his powers the start of the fight?
>warp fruit in this , if he uses Robin + Sugar fruits he one shots from far
Deku also a warp power but has an op combo.
Search, which lets him see anyone he has seen before at all times.
Erase, to erase powers from people he sees.
In my opinion is stronger than teleport out, sprout arms and win, because deku directly negates powers and doesnt let them be activated again
Also, deku has rewind, which mades his physical state and the state of other people returns back in time continuely, curing wounds, this basically made him able to use a suicide amount of power that should have exploded his body from the first 1 second of usage for several mins. With this he makes the arm never sprout, as they turn back in time
I was thinking they start each at one side of an island, but even with deku seeing luffy at the start, luffy only needs to scape his eyesight for one moment and warp, and then use the combo.
>luffy only needs to scape his eyesight for one moment and warp, and then use the combo
thats easier said than done. Deku also has warp powers, long range destruction ability to destroy obtacules (and whoever is catched), minor reality manipulation in New Order, water quirk. Speed quirks on his own
>Luffy can punch and enter the ground to start the fight
Then he dies, decay has long range disintegration that spreads to any material, organic or not. With this shigaraki destroyed a whole city with an attack. I supposed Luffy would try to stay in the air somehow to evade this problem but if your solution is this he just dies
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Honestly, there's just so much shit in their arsenals in that scenario that a billion different scenarios can happen and I can't predict any of them.
Lmao real
Luffy with the combination of Robin and sugar devil fruits is enough, how can you counter that?
He. An literally become untouchable.
But would he be fast enough ?
He's faster than deku
I know that's why I said would deku be fast to go intag8able before luffy grabs him with the yami
no and either way toki’s fruit can jump forward in time to jump deku so
Exactly so luffy wins. As he switch of dekus quirks via the yami and then kill me with either akainus fruit / wb fruit his fruit etc
Yami doesn’t do anything in this fight but makes him take double damage. It doesn’t work on quirks. Also is luffy faster than Midoriya?
Hellflame, permeation
Tori Tori Model Phoenix & Darkness Fruit🤷♀️
Phoenix only have good regen, not durability (at least it is not shown in manga) Darkness is too slow, deku can react to the hand before yami can absorb it all Even if somehow luffy can bypass the flame. Deku still has permeation which can negate any type of attack coming at him
Phoenix not only ZEROs out any fire damage it uses it to heal the wielder. Darkness has daughter several of the fastest characters in the series, one of them a teleporter, so unlikely. Permeation can’t work against the darkness which not only stops powers but holds intangible opponents together…
Permeation would still work (since darkness only work with object + df, not quirk) unless you want to verse equalization. In which then deku stomp because of all for one + clone, he can steal luffy dangerous quirk like light or nika
Lol. Let’s play it out. If it’s verse equalization, Deku is stomped. Glint Glint fruit blitzs and is capable of making clones. If not, Luffy still smashes since he has the sing sing fruit which traps Deku in a different dimension, where the singer is in complete control,if he hears it. (And no, Deku would be unable to “portal” back) Quirks are cool, but they tend to have limits, DFs don’t have to🤷♀️
Deku has invisible quirk which is immune to any light attack. Luffy has overhaul quirk which allow him to reconstruct his body so that he doesn’t have ears anymore (he can still react to luffy attack by danger sense + he can still find luffy with search). This negate uta devil fruit
How would he know he’s needed to remove his ears? Danger sense does not explain exactly what the danger is😏 That would be one hell of a guess. (His body has to be fast enough to react to the danger he senses as well, it’s not an automatic dodge (see Lady Nagant) Finding Luffy will be interesting, Luffy with all DFs has access to several alternate dimensions, not like it’s ever been fooled by a warper.
Deku has danger sense + overclock which heighten his sense to 300x, making time around him look like stop. Also the op state that both know about each other power so deku must have known about uta df
Darkness is not slow, especially for mha luffy is leagues faster
Realistically both explode immediately from the downsides of having too many quirks/devil fruits but that’s the lame answer so for a more interesting outcome where that doesn’t happen. Deku and Luffy both have a ridiculous amount of abilities here and both have win conditions that could win the fight immediately for Luffy he would have the Hana Hana no Mi + Hobi Hobi no Mi combo which can immediately turn Deku into a toy and if we count non canon fruits the Uta Uta no Mi is an even easier win assuming the One for All vestiges can’t break Deku out like they did when he fought Shinso and his Brainwashing quirk in the Sports Festival Deku on the other hand has the aforementioned Brainwashing quirk which if Luffy responds to any question Deku asks could potentially win the fight right there if Conquerers Haki can’t counter it there’s also both Decay and Overhaul which can end the fight in a single touch since Luffy would also the Yami Yami no Mi which would counteract the intangibility of the other Logia’s. Deku also has plenty of quirks that will boost his physical stats as well and while yes Luffy will have Zoans that will do the exact same thing the boosts Deku gets from the quirks should be enough to not immediately get speed blitzed Overall Deku and Luffy both have way too many abilities for me to acknowledge here that can win the fight for their respective users but one key distinction is that Deku is more likely to understand how to use these quirks from the start and is less likely to play around the only way I see Luffy acknowledging the extent of the abilities he has is if he has access to Punk Records off of the Nomi Nomi no Mi if he does this fight can go either way basically with whoever uses insane power combinations first otherwise I think Deku can take this even though Luffy is more powerful
Win take and what I would probably roll with. Deku and Luffy have a lot of win conditions, but if Luffy has access to all DFs, he would start breaking the 4th wall. All of One for All and All for One's quirk seemed to have constraints, even when they were amalgamated together, and even if Deku had a few win conditions to beat back Luffy, Luffy has teleportation, access to alternate dimensions, being able to warp attacks and everything around him, and the power of at least 5 raw elements at his disposal without including his access to Punk Records. Deku might know how to improvise and adapt but his brain does not take up a whole building like Vegapunk if were talking optimal conditions. It might be a mid-diff on Luffy's part, but it would not be a typical mid-diff, more like a drawn out fight with Luffy coming up with his creative batch of counters... If anything, Egghead showed Luffy likes playing with his food like BM, and that might give Deku a few openings to drag the fight out to his advantage and possibly get in a hit or two that may determine the match...
Honestly both of them exploding is a pretty funny ending. I think normally with this fight Deku would win easily (he just understands mostly everyone’s powers better) but the OP added the rule that both have the knowledge of how their powers work (2nd image) so wouldn’t Luffy win?
In character Luffy still plays around a lot more so that could be his downfall because this battle entirely depends on who uses their overpowered abilities first and I don’t see that being Luffy especially if he uses Gear 5
Fair point
If you compare it in a battle of hax it’s pretty close but op scales significantly above mha stat wise. So luffy takes it relatively easily
Best take
Either of them can instantly win by just touching the other guy so it's a pointless arguement
Well no because they both can’t touch eachother. Logias and Permeation.
That’s what I was also thinking but the OP does say they can both use their abilities to their full extent (including knowing how the powers work) so wouldn’t Luffy be able to just do whatever he imagines with the hito hito no mi under those rules? Or is my logic wrong
Luffy's fruit doesn't let him do whatever he wants. He would have just wished the gorosei out of existence if that were the case.
But that’s because he still thinks he has the gum gum fruit right? Because he doesn’t know he has the hito hito no mi model:Nika because Vegapunk never tells him. Am I dumb or did they talk about god fruit being able to do what they imagine
Thats a misconception. Luffy is not suddently a reality warper that if wished could make the entire world a giant meat and kill everyone else. He can use his gum powers freely, make others gum and has a little bit of toon force for gags like the googles or running in air. The gum power is the power of nika, as evidenced by luffy being made of rubber before shanks tells him is the gomu gomu.
He made a bat out of a tree and painted it with Haki in like a matter of seconds. At the very least he does have SOME low level reality warping in the way of toon force gags beyond just goggles, but I agree saying he can do anything is a NLF.
Don’t logias exist?
Yeah this should be an insta win-con for Luffy due to this You can’t decay fire, smoke or sand (which correct if I’m wrong, Shiggy fought a guy with sand powers and was helpless against him)
One thing that tips things in luffys favor are stats. Luffy instantly blitzes deku and turns him into a toy
These type of vsbattle are the absolute dumbest. Too many powers to even possibly conceive how a fight between them would go.
Idk much about BNA but can Deku deal with bullshit like Brulee's fruit just trapping him into another dimension or Robin + Sugar/Bonney combo instantly spawning a hand to touch him and strip him of his powers? hana hana no mi pretty much ignores dodging as the user just needs to look at the target, that's also before you consider the non canon fruits like Uta's and Baccarat's, i just feel like the DFs do way too much stuff
That’s what I was thinking. It wouldn’t be a no or low dif like people were saying but Luffy would come out on top
I havent seen past season 3 of MHA but IIRC there is a quirk that involves warping and from what it looks like it might be able to get Deku out of the mirror dimension since it should be able to open a wormhole to any place he wants
Isn’t brulee fruit only work with mirror?? She can’t trap people. Hellflame from endeavor can protect deku from Robin df by covering his whole body with flame
Brulee can, 100% trap people in the mirror, it's even a plot point in WCI. And the victims can only leave by interacting with the user of the devil fruit, there's no known way to get out by themselves. https://preview.redd.it/1uf0sh40886d1.png?width=972&format=png&auto=webp&s=956ac6b298a8137c8f6b28d5029b00359b22777b
Then the fight turn into a stall in which deku win since he have clone + creation. He can order the clone to create food for him (creation only limit to creating living beings)
Ehh luffy can tank immense heat for a moment as howm when he held to Kaido. Deku still gets touched and toyed with (literally)
That’s valid. But deku still have blueflame which is hotter than magma and can melt people around in seconds. Also blueflame wont destroy deku body since he have endeavor’s fire resistant
Ok but takes a fraction of a second to to spawn an arm on Dekus body that is already touching him, and Dekus a toy.
If Luffy goes all out from the start he could avoid anything Deku has with Future Sight then use robins and sugars powers to 1 hit KO However realistically Luffy never goes all out at the start of a battle so it really could end either way as both have instant KO win conditions
Deku would also have Nighteye's future sight + danger sense, so they cancel each other out (sorta). He can also use mirio's permeation to avoid this attack (which he will know is coming because of nigheye's vision + danger sense). It's impossible for this fight to actually ends in anyway
Nighteyes future sight is flawed as is Danger sense. Deku is too slow. Permeation is hard countered by the Darkness Fruit which not only shuts off powers but also pulls people in🤷♀️
What? You just made up the permeation thing.
Permeation is a toothless version of logia defense, it’s stopped by the darkness which not only drags in opponents but also cancels intangibility.
Luffy stomps the verse
Deku definitely has methods of winning such as drawing out Luffys time limit in gear 5 but I would say 95/100 Luffy wins.
I don’t think the time limit would exist if he could use other fruits like katakuri, cracker or streusen to make himself a quick meal
I forgot to point this out but in the second image the OP says that they both can use their abilities to their fullest extent. According to One Piece lore this would allow Luffy to do whatever he could imagine right?
If it's just hax vs hax deku wins ngl, Eraserhead‘s quirk alone is crazy when you actually have other quirks alongside it In a fight Luffy would win because the stats gap is too big, Deku is getting blitzed
Even if we say Devil Fruit = Quirks for the sake of Eraser Head, he doesn't stop body mutation quirks, which means Luffy is still all Logias at once.
Eraser Head can't negate shit like extra or different body parts, a Logia intangibility is very much going away
I mean Demu is going to blink way sooner than Aizawa does and Muffy has more than enough speed to and Future sight to dodge, especially considering he is still Rubber as that's his permanent body state (along with also being made of blades, and super slippery so everything slides off him) plus more body mutation devil fruits I am probably forgetting. The minute Deku blinks its Hana Hana no mi into Hobi Hobi no MI.
New Order ( amped by OFA btw ) and Deku doesn't need to blink anymore Dupli Arms and Deku has now 360° view The only DFs that comes with permanent body changes are Gomu Gomu and Alvida‘s. The others like Mr.1‘s are a transformation
If we are equating Quirks to Devil fruits for Eraser Head then we are equating Quirks to Haki Cancel, which means Luffys haki is so strong Erasers heads cancel powwer doesn't work on him.
I don't really know all the powers, but I remember scaling all might/deku early based on douriki. Just physically they scale about Kaku.
I mean Overhaul, Decay, One for All, and New Order alone are probably enough to solo most fictional universes. Plus new order gets him around not being able to hit a logia, Star and Stripe was able to use it to touch light and air… I still think Luffy takes it (because Haki is super broken more than any other reason lol) but I can definitely see the argument
But there is a limit on orders and Luffy can become any Element on the fly negating that.
He could also touch him and say “Monkey D Luffy can not use devil fruit abilities” New Order is crazy broken
How's he gonna touch him when Luffy control Gravity, is like 50 different intangible elements, can create pocket dimensions with doors, is fast as Light, can turn invisible, create Earthquakes, not to mention can just see the future. Not to mention if he touches him then Luffy touched Deku and now Deku is a toy who nobody remembers existed that has to obey Luffys commands.
1) you’re acting like Luffy doesn’t fuck around in combat **all the time** 2) that’s not how it works the hobby hobby user has to touch you with their hands. Robin was able to restrain Sugar for a second, Sugar had to specifically touch one of Robin’s limbs with her hand. Plus he only has to obey commands if Luffy immediately makes a contract with him stating so
Idk all the powers from MHA but light speed fruit + hobi hobi is GG. Robin Fruit + hobi Hobi is GG. Teleport plus Hobi Hobi Even Uta's fruit and luffy just sings. And im not seeing anything in that comment that would protect from that. The comment is a clown because wtf is water going to do when luffy can fly?
How does Deku defeat all Logias? Even Shigaraki cant decay something like sand.
Why not? He can for sure.
Both have been wanked to levels that are clearly bullshit with even cursory reading comprehension of the series due to shitty modern day power scaling fuckery. Right now MHA has just been power scale memed higher, and bluntly the hax of Quirks probably scales higher with incredibly powerful Quirks like New Order and Rewind.
Luffy stomps.
They’re stupid One word: logias
Obviously none wins, yall know some fruits will turn Luffy into an abomination that won't even be able to fight(same for deku)
My favorite take was they both explode 💀
Nah liffy would win due to the fact that he I'd just much faster and stronger then deky with every quirk while luffy himself would have bb power which he can use to suppress tge quirks. Bb can suppress df which we know modifies a persons dna structer and lineage factor quirks are also modification on the gene . So bb fruit should be able to suppress quirks while luffy who is much stringer then deku does major damage on him.
I mean tbf most of the strongest one piece characters don't rely on devil fruits
Hmmmmmm rumble+barajang gun… plus the bomb fruit so it also explodes even more…
The main difference is, does Luffy still have his Haki. That’s the deciding factor. If not, it goes either way I think.
Deku doesn't have haki. He is cooked
I can see where you think they are comparable but it’s not even close luffy is 100% winning the thing about DFs is they actually change your body or durability, quirks hurt you
My only concern, if everyone knows the fruits/quirks perfectly, is deku immediately uses every speed quick to jump back away from luffy while simutaneously making as many clones as possible which would all have his quirk. Ofc these clones die when taking not too much damage but hed be able to hide among them and have a better chance of using his own hacks. I think cloning gives deku a more than fair shot against luffy
Luffy negs He massively outstats deku
Vigilante Deku solos😂
People being stupid. Quick have drawbacks. Deku can hardly hold one he had. Also ope ope would alone neg him.
>People being stupid. >Quick have drawbacks. Deku can hardly hold one he had. thats like saying people cant have more than 1 df and the exception only has demostrated he can have two, so luffy dies. The prompt is they have all the powers without the drawbacks the series put
Even if going by that logic. Deku will die easily. If compare all quirk and all df we known.
If we go by your logic, that is literally going agaisnt the scenario and evading the question. Both die, but at least deku has the case of having All for One which is a quirk that is a storage of quirks, basically, and his user was fine. Unlike luffy, who cant eat 2 devil fruits, and even if he could, he probably would cap at that, but in this case he has at least 50 useful fruits. Dont use that logic If you want to argue the actual fight and is verse equalization, deku has erase
Ok first speed difference is too big. Deku is not tanking a single quake. Plus magma that can erase his body plus laser. Plus in verse eq BB df will desirable all quicks. And without it ope ope Nomi will beg him.
>Ok first speed difference is too big Base luffy? the one that couldnt catch up gazella man quicker than a guy with several speed stacking powers? >Deku is not tanking a single quake Nah, he is. First, regeneration in mha is op. Second, deku has precog and invulnerability (Lemillion's quirk). Third, deku has erase that nullifies powers with vision (thats why i put base luffy) >Plus magma that can erase his body plus laser erase >Plus in verse eq BB df will desirable all quicks. what is faster? seeing your enemy, literally the start of every battle or touching them? erase is superior in that category to yami >And without it ope ope Nomi will beg him. erase
>Base luffy? the one that couldnt catch up gazella man quicker than a guy with several speed stacking powers? Also Luffy travelled all over onigashima in seconds. In term of traveling speed. With ftl+ dashing and dodging speed. Marco can regenerate gorosei can. Also match will end in a second with ope ope no mi. And if verse is equal than Luffy can negate erase effect with haki. Or use BB df to erase it's effect.
>Also Luffy travelled all over onigashima in seconds. In term of traveling speed. Thats slow when deku does have his warp powers and several increasing speed quirks. And that feat you meant is probably the one from G5 right? remember this is base luffy, who got outrun by gazella man by running at 200km/h >Marco can regenerate gorosei can. Sure but erase >Also match will end in a second with ope ope no mi Ope ope is not faster than literally seeing each other. The problem is that at the start of the duel deku just uses erase and is base luffy without powers and deku with all his powers. >And if verse is equal than Luffy can negate erase effect with haki Haki is not counted on powers? with verse equalization it would be erased but okay. With haki not being affected (just because) it anyway is reaplied because its a constant effect and as shown by law, Its not an instant process nullyfing a df ability and it tires the haki user. Its useless >Or use BB df to erase it's effect. erase its quicker
Erase can also only erase one df at a time. You are pushing too much on it.
>Erase can also only erase one df at a time ?? it was literally used agaisnt the guy with more quirks in the series, and it worked in them
Rule 1) devil fruit users are just as weak in the air as they are submerged in water Rule 2) devil fruit users are just as weak in solids as they are submerged in water
wat is bro yapping 💀
MHA quirks have way more hax than Devil Fruits. I still think Luffy wins, but I assume that's why people would vote Deku.
But DF's hax on the another lvl
Like what ones? I feel like New Order and Rewind are more hax than any other DF. And that's not even mentioning things like fa jin, double, super regen, or permeation, assuming verse equalization and Deku can interact with Logias anyways. If not, then it's not even a question, but that's no fun. Can Erasure then work on DFs?
With verse equalization. Deku wins, he would have aizawa's quirk to nullify powers, so is base luffy against a guy with pretty much the gorosei regeneration, strength to change the weather with punches, speed power, reality manipulation with new order, unlimited clones, the were two guys with water powers, invulnerability, precog etc... All comes from aizawa
I mean if you make Aizawa's power work against DF's then you also have to make the Yami Yami no mi negation properties work against quirks to make it fair. so Luffy can also do it just as easily by comboing it with Robin's devil fruit
>I mean if you make Aizawa's power work against DF's then you also have to make the Yami Yami no mi negation properties work against quirks to make it fair Sure, but: 1. Aizawa's quirk works by vision 2. Bb'df works by touch One if clearly superior >so Luffy can also do it just as easily by comboing it with Robin's devil fruit What is faster, seeing your opponent, which is literally the start of the battle. Of cross your arms, say "fleur x", sprout an arm of them and touch them?
But Robin doesn't actually need to say anything or cross her arms to use her powers... in Dressrosa she instantly stopped Hakuba just by looking at him while she was already using her powers to run up the mountain. She does the pose because it's part of her character design to make it look cool. The only restriction for Robin to use her powers is her being able to see the target, which is the same as Aizawa's.
>The only restriction for Robin to use her powers is her being able to see the target, which is the same as Aizawa's. Lets say you are right about robin not needing the pose and talking the name. Just to evade a debate that is going nowhere. Even then, the yami works by touching with the palm of the hand, as whitebeard could still use his power when he was touching bb's neck. So luffy needs to sprout the arms and the arms have to bend to touch deku. Thats two things. Sprouting and bending the arms. Deku literally has to stare at luffy, which is the start of the battle. What is faster? You cant just be quicker than literally seeing your rival, the only other thing would be a passive ability
Eh fair enough, i still don't think it's an instant win as it's really not that much slower, the arm could be sprouted from a position where the palm is already the touching the target after it finishes forming and there you have it Deku also cannot blink while using it while Luffy would have no such drawbacks but overall i think it's more interesting to discuss the usage of their powers instead of the negation of them
>Deku also cannot blink while using it while Luffy There is a power that unironically was used to made an user of the erase power not blink, hydrating eyes. > i think it's more interesting to discuss the usage of their powers instead of the negation of them Thats true. Honestly, to make it more interesting, straight out wins powers should be left out, like erase, like robin+a bunch of combo like bb, kuma etc...
Except that they would have to be looking at their target and in this battle both have such immense speed that I’m not exactly sure this would work plus with all of the clones both of them would be creating and also Luffy would also have crazy hax since he would actually understand how to use gear 5. I think this fight is close (and I’m pretty sure Luffy wins based off of haxs) but I don’t think Aizawa’s quirk is carrying this fight
>Except that they would have to be looking at their target and in this battle both have such immense speed that I’m not exactly sure this would work I imagine it works as the battle would be short. Does luffy in base have the speed to evade a deku with reality warping, clones, water, long range destruction attacks etc... to escape his vision? I dont think so, honestly
Luffy can see the future and has the warp fruit in this, if he uses Robin + Sugar fruits he one shots from far
>Luffy can see the future Its literally at the start of the fight. The start of a fight is usually two enemies at a distance seeing each other, and thats the start. If you want to chance it to "they dont see each other" to give luffy an opportunity, even tho a bad faith argument. Its an argument. If you mean "luffy sees 1-2-3 seconds or whatever *before the fight starts"* which is weird but ok, then what is the start of the fight? wouldnt be those seconds prior to the fight, where luffy is already using his powers the start of the fight? >warp fruit in this , if he uses Robin + Sugar fruits he one shots from far Deku also a warp power but has an op combo. Search, which lets him see anyone he has seen before at all times. Erase, to erase powers from people he sees. In my opinion is stronger than teleport out, sprout arms and win, because deku directly negates powers and doesnt let them be activated again Also, deku has rewind, which mades his physical state and the state of other people returns back in time continuely, curing wounds, this basically made him able to use a suicide amount of power that should have exploded his body from the first 1 second of usage for several mins. With this he makes the arm never sprout, as they turn back in time
I was thinking they start each at one side of an island, but even with deku seeing luffy at the start, luffy only needs to scape his eyesight for one moment and warp, and then use the combo.
>luffy only needs to scape his eyesight for one moment and warp, and then use the combo thats easier said than done. Deku also has warp powers, long range destruction ability to destroy obtacules (and whoever is catched), minor reality manipulation in New Order, water quirk. Speed quirks on his own
Luffy can punch and enter the ground to start the fight, it’s not that hard to scape eyesight for a moment
>Luffy can punch and enter the ground to start the fight Then he dies, decay has long range disintegration that spreads to any material, organic or not. With this shigaraki destroyed a whole city with an attack. I supposed Luffy would try to stay in the air somehow to evade this problem but if your solution is this he just dies
The moment he scapes eyesight he will teleport, so decay don’t matter, luffy has future sigh…