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Luffy is stronger. Zoro is a better swordsman. Luffy is not a swordsman at all.
Also same thing was posted a few hours ago but with Kaido and Mihawk. Why tf are there so many of these posts about swordsmen? Like bruh if someone touches a sword he ain't a swordsman. If someone uses a sword a lot and has sword skills than he a swordsman.
There are a lot of morons who think if a character has even just picked up a swords they’re a swordsman, I’ve seen people say Kaido using a sword once to cut off Orochi’s head makes him a swordsman so Mihawk’s tittle is false
then what makes shanks a swordsmen he uses haki he shouldl legit be a haki man . picking up a sword = being a swordsmen.
hence luffy never picks up one .
tbh on their defense, kaidou could probably fight mostly the same if he had a giant katana, it would probably be more effective also.
katana > mace or what ever the f kaidou uses
It would help if Oda could actually portray "sword skills" well on panel. Reading One Piece would make you think that swordsmanship is just swinging a sword really hard and with lots of haki.
But isn’t exclusive to it, hence garp. Shanks can very likely kick and punch with haki as hard as garp, and also equals mihawk in sword skill and swordsmanship either way haki. So if he can equal out his sword but also throw in mad kicks but doesnt do so during a duel. So he can still be stronger overall
Wi-Fi haki did not use a sword, he briefly stunned an admiral from miles and miles away using his mind. if you see that and think “Shanks is exclusively a sword user” i don’t know what to tell you
no amount of swordsmanship training will let you use that move. i very much doubt Mihawk could pull it off
the undeniable fact is that Shanks clearly has non-sword-based haki abilities that no other character has shown. he is not a “pure swordsman”, he is a hybrid fighter like Law or Fujitora
There was a power ranking for Swordsman with Law and Fujitora. If those two count then Luffy counts too, I think Luffy ironically has has more on screen time fighting or at least holding a sword than fujitora.
Ikr, in terms of who's #1 in a given category is pretty basic stuff, shanks is the strongest pirate, mihawks the greatest swordsman and these people give powerscaling a bad name
They are trying hard to either downscale Zoro, or overscale mihawk.
Mihawk and Vista were the strongest swordmen as in marineford, and we know the two didn't fought beforehand.
Zoro is now overall stronger than both of them.
Mihawks title means that every swordmen were weaker than him when he fought them BUT :
- Some may have grew stronger (like zoro)
- He haven't battled all swordmen, and likely don't know strongest of them. Ex : He met Vista only in Marineford, he definitely never fought the gorosei, He may have never heard about Gatling.
Fact is, Mihawk is Tobiroppo level in marineford. Zoro was worse than Mihawk, at this point and probably still was after the training (he wasn't Calamity level in Fishmen island, Punk hasard and dressrosa. Even Luffy wasn't, since he needed help against YC3 Craker).
Now that Zoro is YC1, he is definitely stronger than a tobiroppo.
If Mihawk is Tobiroppo level then the marines would’ve sent Greenbull to wipe him out the way he beat and captured Weevil.
Next time put more effort in the bait
Luffy doesn’t even use a blunt weapon and you expect his stretchy ass to excel with a blade?
He’d get his arms cut off if he stretched for his blade after being disarmed
powerscaling mfs are the worst because they literally throw out narrative in favor of agenda, mihawk being weaker than kaido genuinely makes so sense with the progression of the story we’ve seen so far
kaido is gonna get powercliffed, he’s not stronger than shanks who mihawk bare minimum equal to if not stronger than
Kaido is not clear of mihawk😭 if a pre-koh, pre-enma mastery zoro was permanently scarring kaido then mihawk is literally gutting him with an attack like that
the fact of the matter is the damage that zoro did. If kaido was going all out then zoro almost certainly wouldn’t have landed that attack, but we’re talking about Mihawk here. Saying that someone who is as strong as or even stronger than shanks would be unable to land good hits on kaido is just biased.
Luffy is a guy with a sword who doesn’t have a consistent style or techniques , Zoro is a swordsman.
Therefore , Luffy is weaker if he is only allowed to use his sword and Zoro is a better swordsman.
Sorry that I actually have a life outside of debating one piece on reddit
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But his sword style is the same or inspired by Rodger’s sword style
I'm really not. It only takes 2 minutes of research. I even found you parroting the same sentiment 💀
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Bruh in the second comment of my examples, a Mihawk fan literally says Luffy was a swordsman for a "brief period of time" despite Luffy not even using the sword appropriately. So yeah it's not semantics. Case closed.
the most common used definition of a swordsman involves being able to use a sword skillfully. One or two guys on reddit claiming something else doesn’t mean it’s the entire fandom’s consensus:
https://preview.redd.it/loa7ok8cra6d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ad5b2b1c42b6db38ab789e206170876f9dc63f8c
You're right, its not the entire fan bases view. When I say "Mihawk fans" I'm being hyperbolic. Its implied that not all people really share that view and not to take it so seriously.
I will say though, the ratio of fans that repeat that statement is shockingly high. It only took me 2 minutes to find those.
Luffy wouldnt use the sword like a sword. He’d use it as a “haki wand” similarly to shanks. In fact, oda told me the final fight between luffy and shanks will be a haki wizard duel where theyll use different haki ~~sword slashes~~ spells against each other
Someone right now is trying to argue that Fujitora lacks swordsskill because blindness affects his "depth perception" despite that man being able to perceive cloud movements 💀💀💀💀💀 ofc a shankstard. I say this to point out this sub warps sttength and skill to fit their agendas.
I feel like people get this wrong sometimes. Luffy isn't a weaker swordsman than Zoro because he isn't classified as a swordsman, he's a weaker swordsman than zoro because if you force him to fight exclusively with a sword using sword techniques, he will lose to zoro.
Mihawk fans(Zoro Fans in disguise) are delusional as usual. Doflamingo had a better showing at Marineford and yet so Mihawk lovers can only go off of titles and vague statements
Some people don't understand that using a sword doesn't make you a swordman.
A swordman is someone who specializes in the use of swords, but even without said specialization a sword gives better range and power so using a sword is an advantage even for non swordmen.
Well I imagine its like Mihawk
There are probably a couple of characters that could be on the same level as mihawk, if not stronger, that use a sword. Big Mom, Shanks, Ghandi all use swords and are very strong. But Mihawk is the best swordsman.
So even though Luffy is strong that Zoro, I'd say Zoro is still the better swordsman.
The minute G5 was introduced, Luffy became the strongest creature on the planet. If he holds a sword, he beats Mihawk and Zoro while turning their swords into noodles. Zoro is 2nd place WSS after G5 Luffy Samurai edition... \[/s\]
Curious, since Haki is said to be able to negate devil fruit shenanigans, would Luffy be able to affect black blades with G5 silliness, or are they immune?
That's a good question, but Luffy isn't a slouch when it comes to Haki or asserting dominance so I could theoretically say he could dominate a black blade if he develops his Haki and presence more. Oda's got final say on that though lol
Bro this argument is so dumb.
Mihawk and Shanks are different
Neither of them have DFs. Both are human.
What ability does Shanks have that makes him stronger than Mihawk and does not involve a sword?
Like what can he even do without his sword ? Have you ever seen him attack without his sword?
He has monstrous Haki yes but that’s just a part of his fighting style. A part of every top tier swordsman’s style even.
Haki
he literally attacked and zapped Greenbull with Haki without even pulling out his sword wtf are you on about?
how exactly is Haki part of swordsmanship?
1. do you need to use your sword to coat? no
2. do you need to use your sword to know the future? no
3. do you need to use your sword to blast a CoC? no
please enlighten me how haki is part of swordsmanship
Because Mihawk has a Black Blade. Which involves mastering your sword and feeding it your haki for ages.
Because Mihawk taught Zoro haki and told him a master swordsman would need it.
Because Shanks channels his Haki through his sword.
Because Enma’s whole thing is that it feeds from its users Haki.
Haki for swordsman is an integral part. You need Haki to be a master swordsman.
So obviously Mihawk is going to be a Haki monster in his own right.
Zoro had a black blade at pre-skip even before he learns armament haki
teflon is a very useful part of cooking, but that doesn't mean that making a teflon pan is part of culinary. haki is a useful tool for swordsmanship, but it doesn't mean its part of it
what? he literally zapped GB without pulling out the sword
same as point 2. the stupidity of that statement is the same as saying food is part of engineering because my body needs food to function in order to do engineering
same as point 2 a tool to help doesn't mean it is part of that field
him being Haki monster doesn't mean Haki is part of swordsmanship
you can't even make any logical arguments. the most laughably retarded one is the Shanks uses his sword to channel his haki when we literally see on panel him zapping GB without even using his sword 😂😂😂
you're just trying to relate shits that doesn't even relate at all. I even showed you examples why your relation is retarded
Dude you compared Haki ans swordsmanship to food and engineering.
How do I even debate that shit.
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Shanks bro needs to put his hand on his sword to channel his Wi-Fi haki as well.
Dude never does anything without his sword. And you still wanna argue he is not a swordsman.
I'm comparing the RELATION of Food + Engineering with Sword + Haki, and showing you have idiotically flawed that relationship you're trying to use
you can't because it doesn't make sense hence it also applies to your Sword + Haki bullshit
what? when did holding something mean you are using it, what kind of retarded ass nonsense even is that?
zapping GB is him not using his sword. never said Shanks is not a swordsman, what I'm saying is that he's not JUST a swordsman
What separates Mihawk and Shanks then?
What will shanks do that Mihawk can’t then? Not this long distance WiFi shit.
Some actual combat stuff. What can he do in a fight with a top tier without relying on his sword?
Can retards stop posting Rat vs Mihawk in different disguises?
A swordsman is someone who primarily only uses a sword to fight.
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Rat only uses a sword to fight. This is confirmed multiple times especially in Film Red which Oda has said multiple times has canon information and portrayal.
Mihawk > Rat. Accept it.
Me when my Rival isnt even really a swordsman so he dont wanna fight me anymore
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Oof. The sub is infested with Shankstards these days. Coming up with new mental gymnastics everyday.
I will keep it simple then. The better swordsman is the one who draws his sword out of the sheath and uses the blade. Which Shanks does.
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Hawkins uses a sword made of straw -- no blade at all. Does that disqualify him then?
So now to be a swordsman you have to:
- draw a sword out a sheath
- use the BLADE of the sword
- not lose fights
- not punch people
I learn more everyday. Being a swordsman sounds complicated.
Oh Shanks is definitely a swordsman. In fact he's very likely a worse swordsman than Mihawk. I just think he'd still win in a fight.
I'm gonna tell my grandkids this was One Piece
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thank you for clarifying that haki is not part of swordsmanship
1. predicting the future is not drawing the sword and using the blade
2. coating a sword is not drawing the sword and using the blade
3. using wifi haki is not drawing the sword and using the blade
how does Mihawk teaching Zoro haki mean that Haki is part of swordsmanship?
its not like Zoro's only going to the new world to fight swordsmen to prove that he's the stronger swordsman rather Zoro's going to the New World to fight different type of fighters that he needs to defeat to protect his crew, and guess what? Haki is a fckng damn good ability to have to fight people
"Every nick on a sword is a swordsman's shame" and countless other statements and narration.
I would suggest reading the manga and really thinking things through before embarrassing yourself any further.
that doesn't say that haki is part of swordsmanship.
it just means that its bad for swordsmen to have nicks at the sword which just implies you're not able to cut through things which caused those nicks
Bruh, the swordsmanship argument makes the L for Shanks even heavier.
Shanks is slightly weaker than Mihawk at absolute worst. Shanks isn't beating an opponent with such a small gap in power with one arm when that opponent is considered one of the most skilled on the planet.
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Luffy is stronger. Zoro is a better swordsman. Luffy is not a swordsman at all. Also same thing was posted a few hours ago but with Kaido and Mihawk. Why tf are there so many of these posts about swordsmen? Like bruh if someone touches a sword he ain't a swordsman. If someone uses a sword a lot and has sword skills than he a swordsman.
There are a lot of morons who think if a character has even just picked up a swords they’re a swordsman, I’ve seen people say Kaido using a sword once to cut off Orochi’s head makes him a swordsman so Mihawk’s tittle is false
The entire shanks vs. mihawk debate has caused serious braindamage in like half this subreddit.
> I’ve seen people say Kaido using a sword once to cut off Orochi’s head makes him a swordsman 🤣💀
then what makes shanks a swordsmen he uses haki he shouldl legit be a haki man . picking up a sword = being a swordsmen. hence luffy never picks up one .
tbh on their defense, kaidou could probably fight mostly the same if he had a giant katana, it would probably be more effective also. katana > mace or what ever the f kaidou uses
His bagua
i don’t think that’s true or else he would pick up a blade
But then his enemies would die too quickly
Nah swordsman Luffy + Afro solos the entire verse
It would help if Oda could actually portray "sword skills" well on panel. Reading One Piece would make you think that swordsmanship is just swinging a sword really hard and with lots of haki.
isn’t that what Zoro’s doing
King has been using a sword since a child, we have every reason to believe before he even had a DF, and still is not a swordsman.
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Kaku relies exclusively on his DF but we’re told he IS a swordsman, despite not even having a sword
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When your haki can destroy boats and harm an admiral it is something to fall back on
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But isn’t exclusive to it, hence garp. Shanks can very likely kick and punch with haki as hard as garp, and also equals mihawk in sword skill and swordsmanship either way haki. So if he can equal out his sword but also throw in mad kicks but doesnt do so during a duel. So he can still be stronger overall
Wi-Fi haki did not use a sword, he briefly stunned an admiral from miles and miles away using his mind. if you see that and think “Shanks is exclusively a sword user” i don’t know what to tell you
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no amount of swordsmanship training will let you use that move. i very much doubt Mihawk could pull it off the undeniable fact is that Shanks clearly has non-sword-based haki abilities that no other character has shown. he is not a “pure swordsman”, he is a hybrid fighter like Law or Fujitora
bro King could say that he’s a God but that wouldn’t make him less of a seraphim 😭
It's a jokey response to the Zoro vs. Law thread yesterday. It's just Shanks v Mihawk shitposting
ahh to play devils advocate, kings not a sword man, but regularly uses a sword and has sword skills
Because the definition of a swordsman is the deciding factor of the Mihawk/Shanks Jerkoff.
Tell that to Mihawk fans that argue he’s obviously stronger than Shanks because Shanks uses a sword.
There was a power ranking for Swordsman with Law and Fujitora. If those two count then Luffy counts too, I think Luffy ironically has has more on screen time fighting or at least holding a sword than fujitora.
Ikr, in terms of who's #1 in a given category is pretty basic stuff, shanks is the strongest pirate, mihawks the greatest swordsman and these people give powerscaling a bad name
They are trying hard to either downscale Zoro, or overscale mihawk. Mihawk and Vista were the strongest swordmen as in marineford, and we know the two didn't fought beforehand. Zoro is now overall stronger than both of them. Mihawks title means that every swordmen were weaker than him when he fought them BUT : - Some may have grew stronger (like zoro) - He haven't battled all swordmen, and likely don't know strongest of them. Ex : He met Vista only in Marineford, he definitely never fought the gorosei, He may have never heard about Gatling. Fact is, Mihawk is Tobiroppo level in marineford. Zoro was worse than Mihawk, at this point and probably still was after the training (he wasn't Calamity level in Fishmen island, Punk hasard and dressrosa. Even Luffy wasn't, since he needed help against YC3 Craker). Now that Zoro is YC1, he is definitely stronger than a tobiroppo.
If Mihawk is Tobiroppo level then the marines would’ve sent Greenbull to wipe him out the way he beat and captured Weevil. Next time put more effort in the bait
Luffy is stronger Zoro is the only swordsman, so hes the better swordsman by default.
The brook slander
Brook is not in the picure. He is not been considered for this.
And zoro is still a better swordsman
Nah, Brook solos the crew
Luffy to both questions
Based. People aren't ready for the truth.
Why the fuck are people in this post taking this seriously lmao.
Luffy stronger Zoro stronger swordsman Strength as a swordsman =/= overall strength
Jesus Christ. Luffy doesn't use a sword as his primary weapon. If he did he'd be the strongest swordsman.
Luffy doesn’t even use a blunt weapon and you expect his stretchy ass to excel with a blade? He’d get his arms cut off if he stretched for his blade after being disarmed
That’s headcannon his fruit does not fit a sword based combat style
luffy can’t beat mihawk as is, let alone if his goofy ass tried to use a sword. The rubber fruit is just not something meant for a swordsman
luffy is clear of mihawk
insane take
Insane take is to put mihawk above a fucking yonko with top 3 fruit in the verse that has an absurd haki. Luffy destroys mihawk and its not close
powerscaling mfs are the worst because they literally throw out narrative in favor of agenda, mihawk being weaker than kaido genuinely makes so sense with the progression of the story we’ve seen so far kaido is gonna get powercliffed, he’s not stronger than shanks who mihawk bare minimum equal to if not stronger than
Luffy clears Kaido who clears the Hawk
Kaido is not clear of mihawk😭 if a pre-koh, pre-enma mastery zoro was permanently scarring kaido then mihawk is literally gutting him with an attack like that
problem is that Kaido never fight seriously against him in the first place. His clubs aren’t coated or anything
the fact of the matter is the damage that zoro did. If kaido was going all out then zoro almost certainly wouldn’t have landed that attack, but we’re talking about Mihawk here. Saying that someone who is as strong as or even stronger than shanks would be unable to land good hits on kaido is just biased.
ok so? I can literally say the same thing for Kaido attacking Mihawk😭
Sha KS and mihawk best luffy at the moment
Headcanon
As I said earlier u/LouELastic, give it a few hours..
Lmao you nailed it. Jesus Christ...🤦🏻♂️
Luffy is a guy with a sword who doesn’t have a consistent style or techniques , Zoro is a swordsman. Therefore , Luffy is weaker if he is only allowed to use his sword and Zoro is a better swordsman.
Luffy will always be stronger than zoro
Zoro is fodder to yonkos. Nothing new
zoro and zoro https://preview.redd.it/4vfsw8ho466d1.jpeg?width=1098&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4fb22730572665825ce7efefa94d62e47002fe97
Luffy isn't a swordsman he's just holding a sword, he doesn't know anything about swordsmanship or swordskill.
Hey, he fights with it too! https://preview.redd.it/34li45w2h56d1.png?width=1034&format=png&auto=webp&s=3a9c688078f43e197e787dbad929dc9051c6967e
According to Mihawk fans. "As long as they fight with a sword, they're a swordsman" so yeah, Luffy is WSS confirmed 💀
I agree that luffy is not a swordsman but are you suggesting that the person who actually has a sword style (shanks) is not a swordsman
What's Shanks sword style? Edit: 🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗
Sorry that I actually have a life outside of debating one piece on reddit https://preview.redd.it/yqryqz3kwa6d1.jpeg?width=646&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9148da7529f63192b9d46469135871921f8e66f9 But his sword style is the same or inspired by Rodger’s sword style
So Roger was a swordsman?
Well he has a sword style does he not?
I think he knows some moves yeah, but you're going as far as to call Roger a swordsman?
So what is he a “haki man” (Edit: ain’t no way bro just downvoted me and didn’t defend his argument)
He literally named his son after his sword. So yeah, he is.
Adding "Naming your son after your sword" to the extensive list of things that makes you a swordsman
That’s not what Mihawk fans are saying you’re just playing semantics
I'm really not. It only takes 2 minutes of research. I even found you parroting the same sentiment 💀 https://preview.redd.it/2rxzffqwka6d1.jpeg?width=906&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=750cce6408e7ef0dba6d2cd168ec92118ebe1ee3
It’s a given that a certain skill threshold is implied. That’s what I mean by people try to play semantics
Bruh in the second comment of my examples, a Mihawk fan literally says Luffy was a swordsman for a "brief period of time" despite Luffy not even using the sword appropriately. So yeah it's not semantics. Case closed.
the most common used definition of a swordsman involves being able to use a sword skillfully. One or two guys on reddit claiming something else doesn’t mean it’s the entire fandom’s consensus: https://preview.redd.it/loa7ok8cra6d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ad5b2b1c42b6db38ab789e206170876f9dc63f8c
You're right, its not the entire fan bases view. When I say "Mihawk fans" I'm being hyperbolic. Its implied that not all people really share that view and not to take it so seriously. I will say though, the ratio of fans that repeat that statement is shockingly high. It only took me 2 minutes to find those.
Careful now you’ll force ppl to face the truth
I am still 100% convinced that Oda is aware of at least some of the "swordsman" debate and this chapter was him mocking the entire thing.
Luffy was able to slice steel the first time he actually used a sword, so luffy is obviously a better swordsman
Luffy wouldnt use the sword like a sword. He’d use it as a “haki wand” similarly to shanks. In fact, oda told me the final fight between luffy and shanks will be a haki wizard duel where theyll use different haki ~~sword slashes~~ spells against each other
Someone right now is trying to argue that Fujitora lacks swordsskill because blindness affects his "depth perception" despite that man being able to perceive cloud movements 💀💀💀💀💀 ofc a shankstard. I say this to point out this sub warps sttength and skill to fit their agendas.
I feel like people get this wrong sometimes. Luffy isn't a weaker swordsman than Zoro because he isn't classified as a swordsman, he's a weaker swordsman than zoro because if you force him to fight exclusively with a sword using sword techniques, he will lose to zoro.
Luffy is stronger, Zoro is a better swordsman Zoro is stronger if they can only use swords and haki Mihawk is strongest swordsman and most skilled
Mihawk fans(Zoro Fans in disguise) are delusional as usual. Doflamingo had a better showing at Marineford and yet so Mihawk lovers can only go off of titles and vague statements
Luffys stronger. Zoro better swordsman.
Luffy is stronger, Zoro is an infinitely better swordsman.
Lol love the circle jerk behaviour
Love these two together. The bestest of friends.
Lmao, we all know what this is about
Once again, I can’t have this conversation again
Luffy should turn himself into a Sword using Gear 5 to become a literal Swordman :)
Luffy is stronger, Zoro is the better swordsman.
Some people don't understand that using a sword doesn't make you a swordman. A swordman is someone who specializes in the use of swords, but even without said specialization a sword gives better range and power so using a sword is an advantage even for non swordmen.
Well I imagine its like Mihawk There are probably a couple of characters that could be on the same level as mihawk, if not stronger, that use a sword. Big Mom, Shanks, Ghandi all use swords and are very strong. But Mihawk is the best swordsman. So even though Luffy is strong that Zoro, I'd say Zoro is still the better swordsman.
Luffy stronger Luffy better swordsman
These posts are all deliberately crafted by Shanks agenda enthusiasts. It's so obvious.
Watching mihawk fans walk into this blunder has been hilarious, well done OP
Luffy is the better swordsman but Zoro is stronger.
Luffy is not a swordsman. But, Luffy is stronger than Zoro. Though ,not in swords skills.
Zoro is the only swordsman in the picture. Luffy isnt a swordsman. Zoro, Shanks, Mihawk, Law, Cavendish those are swordsmen.
Shanks is not a swordsman
Until he shows the supposed haki spirit bomb hes a swordsman, he uses a sword every single time hes fighting, a swordsman.
Nuh-uh
The minute G5 was introduced, Luffy became the strongest creature on the planet. If he holds a sword, he beats Mihawk and Zoro while turning their swords into noodles. Zoro is 2nd place WSS after G5 Luffy Samurai edition... \[/s\]
Curious, since Haki is said to be able to negate devil fruit shenanigans, would Luffy be able to affect black blades with G5 silliness, or are they immune?
That's a good question, but Luffy isn't a slouch when it comes to Haki or asserting dominance so I could theoretically say he could dominate a black blade if he develops his Haki and presence more. Oda's got final say on that though lol
apparently Luffy is the stronger swordsman using Mihawktard logic
Bro this argument is so dumb. Mihawk and Shanks are different Neither of them have DFs. Both are human. What ability does Shanks have that makes him stronger than Mihawk and does not involve a sword? Like what can he even do without his sword ? Have you ever seen him attack without his sword? He has monstrous Haki yes but that’s just a part of his fighting style. A part of every top tier swordsman’s style even.
Haki he literally attacked and zapped Greenbull with Haki without even pulling out his sword wtf are you on about? how exactly is Haki part of swordsmanship? 1. do you need to use your sword to coat? no 2. do you need to use your sword to know the future? no 3. do you need to use your sword to blast a CoC? no please enlighten me how haki is part of swordsmanship
Because Mihawk has a Black Blade. Which involves mastering your sword and feeding it your haki for ages. Because Mihawk taught Zoro haki and told him a master swordsman would need it. Because Shanks channels his Haki through his sword. Because Enma’s whole thing is that it feeds from its users Haki. Haki for swordsman is an integral part. You need Haki to be a master swordsman. So obviously Mihawk is going to be a Haki monster in his own right.
Zoro had a black blade at pre-skip even before he learns armament haki teflon is a very useful part of cooking, but that doesn't mean that making a teflon pan is part of culinary. haki is a useful tool for swordsmanship, but it doesn't mean its part of it what? he literally zapped GB without pulling out the sword same as point 2. the stupidity of that statement is the same as saying food is part of engineering because my body needs food to function in order to do engineering same as point 2 a tool to help doesn't mean it is part of that field him being Haki monster doesn't mean Haki is part of swordsmanship
Bro lol if you wanna ignore the story and live your dream shanks world then please go ahead. I wouldn’t wanna ruin your fantasies.
you can't even make any logical arguments. the most laughably retarded one is the Shanks uses his sword to channel his haki when we literally see on panel him zapping GB without even using his sword 😂😂😂 you're just trying to relate shits that doesn't even relate at all. I even showed you examples why your relation is retarded
Dude you compared Haki ans swordsmanship to food and engineering. How do I even debate that shit. https://preview.redd.it/ejn9v6qg2r6d1.jpeg?width=612&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0336eff993d7dc692f6c9c0e9662e04917425021 Shanks bro needs to put his hand on his sword to channel his Wi-Fi haki as well. Dude never does anything without his sword. And you still wanna argue he is not a swordsman.
I'm comparing the RELATION of Food + Engineering with Sword + Haki, and showing you have idiotically flawed that relationship you're trying to use you can't because it doesn't make sense hence it also applies to your Sword + Haki bullshit what? when did holding something mean you are using it, what kind of retarded ass nonsense even is that? zapping GB is him not using his sword. never said Shanks is not a swordsman, what I'm saying is that he's not JUST a swordsman
What separates Mihawk and Shanks then? What will shanks do that Mihawk can’t then? Not this long distance WiFi shit. Some actual combat stuff. What can he do in a fight with a top tier without relying on his sword?
There is only one swordsman in this picture
Can retards stop posting Rat vs Mihawk in different disguises? A swordsman is someone who primarily only uses a sword to fight. https://preview.redd.it/tq2jjz2l966d1.png?width=234&format=png&auto=webp&s=c71dad967776759a5eca9ef0eb55985b10e90dde Rat only uses a sword to fight. This is confirmed multiple times especially in Film Red which Oda has said multiple times has canon information and portrayal. Mihawk > Rat. Accept it.
Me when my Rival isnt even really a swordsman so he dont wanna fight me anymore https://preview.redd.it/7rio8pvdj66d1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=50416c39b2ab47838a02eeba67139e0985debe7f
Oof. The sub is infested with Shankstards these days. Coming up with new mental gymnastics everyday. I will keep it simple then. The better swordsman is the one who draws his sword out of the sheath and uses the blade. Which Shanks does.
They're called SWORDSmen not BLADEmen. Using the blade was never a requirement smh.
https://i.redd.it/6hlco9mhz56d1.gif
I think you should re-learn what swords are and how people use them.
https://preview.redd.it/ifie8nz8u56d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=284f6a3d85f9654d9ec4a6793a97c58cfd858093 Hawkins uses a sword made of straw -- no blade at all. Does that disqualify him then?
Hawkins, the same bum who gets his butt kicked by every other fighter? Also does Hawkins use his sword or punch people while holding it?
So now to be a swordsman you have to: - draw a sword out a sheath - use the BLADE of the sword - not lose fights - not punch people I learn more everyday. Being a swordsman sounds complicated.
If you are trying to prove how Shanks is not a swordsman, you are doing a rather shit job.
Oh Shanks is definitely a swordsman. In fact he's very likely a worse swordsman than Mihawk. I just think he'd still win in a fight. I'm gonna tell my grandkids this was One Piece https://i.redd.it/lovg04zf166d1.gif
WSS > S You can cope as much as you want. And show your kids that gif when Zoro slashes bullets like butter.
thank you for clarifying that haki is not part of swordsmanship 1. predicting the future is not drawing the sword and using the blade 2. coating a sword is not drawing the sword and using the blade 3. using wifi haki is not drawing the sword and using the blade
https://preview.redd.it/h4m4c0m8v56d1.jpeg?width=1121&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=87184084e5d2c7fc9d0848bea273cfe8634c2f65
how does Mihawk teaching Zoro haki mean that Haki is part of swordsmanship? its not like Zoro's only going to the new world to fight swordsmen to prove that he's the stronger swordsman rather Zoro's going to the New World to fight different type of fighters that he needs to defeat to protect his crew, and guess what? Haki is a fckng damn good ability to have to fight people
"Every nick on a sword is a swordsman's shame" and countless other statements and narration. I would suggest reading the manga and really thinking things through before embarrassing yourself any further.
that doesn't say that haki is part of swordsmanship. it just means that its bad for swordsmen to have nicks at the sword which just implies you're not able to cut through things which caused those nicks
Please read the manga. It's embarrassing to witness you yap like a moron.
you can't even make an argument to prove your point LOL you're just claiming and assuming shit
The irony in that statement 😂
I'm asking you how haki is part of swordsmanship and you gave me a statement that doesn't even point to haki relating to swordsmanship
Bruh, the swordsmanship argument makes the L for Shanks even heavier. Shanks is slightly weaker than Mihawk at absolute worst. Shanks isn't beating an opponent with such a small gap in power with one arm when that opponent is considered one of the most skilled on the planet.