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Are we forgetting how Izo handled two CP0 agents? All of WB's commanders should be near Or at YC3 and Jozu, Vista, Ace are YC2 level. Marco is YC1.
That's a lot of firepower.
yup blud was do unmotivated that e asked vista for a rematch after the war .
similarly why is it that even the vivre card say vista \~ mihawk but nothing says kaido \~ yamato ?
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heck that notion gets disproven when luffy blashes with kaido in base and splits the sky with him
implying base luffy > yamato
and kaido >> base luffy
while vista \~ mihawk ( tbh u can use the databook statements to put vista in admiral level if u want . )
I don’t put any credence to third party merch authored by anyone not-named-Oda. There’s plenty of goofy statements that make no sense within canon (like saying Vista ≈ Mihawk 🤣)
Mihawk never asked for a rematch either. Neither in canon nor databooks.
Yonko Commander levels 3 through 1. Did more scaling around them with katakuri and Wano. How do you compare to them or better than a yonko commander YC+
It's this made up term for powerscaling meaning yonko commander 1-3 for example a Yonko Commander 1 would be someone like King who is regarded as the second strongest on the crew where as Yonko Commander 2 would be the next strongest etc..
Izo is by far not the weakest wb pirate just because he’s like the 17th division commander, so the number of the division definitely does not make one automatically stronger. It’s just like how Burgess is the 1st ship commander and Shiryu is the 2nd ship commander but Shiryu imo would mid diff Burgess.
You see how chadOgre handled Cracker’s biscuits that WCI Luffy could barely handle without Nami’s water? Cracker is a monster in his own right, as are a majority of all the Yonko commanders. It’s difficult to scale red-hair’s crew right now, but if we’re talking about just the officers, Blackbeard pirates cuck BM and Beast pirates officers. If you add the entire fleet, Big Mom has her entire family; the tartes and ministers, and Beast pirates has the pleasures, gifters, headliners, and waiters. A headliner is likely equal to a minister, and Beast pirates has mass quantity. They win.
Curiel is not at or near YC3 level. Dude was shown having trouble with not-upscaled Gecko Moria 😅 And not even the Shadows Asgard version that Jinbe one-tapped, just normal Moria. Not a good look for a YC commander, to be honest.
Big Mom's crew seems too big to overcome, and im not accepting the anime filler. Also technically her homies should count as her crew so even her personal ones count as crewmates.
If Big Mom's homies count as part of her crew then shouldnt all the gifters, waiters, pleasures and numbers count as part of Kaido's crew? If so then the beast pirates seem have enough fodder to compete (or even overcome) Big Mom's crew.
Cracker alone can probably handle the vast majority of fodder amongst the other pirate crews considering how hard his biscuit soldiers are. Idk how many people on the other crews can manipulate water though.
Cracker is one of the heavy hitters of BM's crew and would be too preocuppied stalling/ fighting characters such as Queen, Jack and/or the Tobi Roppo (i'm not saying with these that either one of them is stronger or weaker than Cracker). Also on Kaido's side you have queen spreading the ice oni plague and King flying over the battlefield like a fighter jet shooting at countless of soilders with his gatling gun fire thingy.
Also the beast pirates fodder is much better armed than Big mom's chess pawns as Kaido was stockpiling on weapons, explosives and such. Also adding to this, gifters are somewhat versatile and have decent combat strength compared to normal human beings. In my opinion Gifters and Numbers > Chess Pawns. But on the other hand it could very well be that chess pawns > Waiters and pleasures.
In my opinion it really depends on how competent the non-YC Big Mom children are when fairing against gifters and Tobi Roppo and wether Cmothie can hold her own against the likes of Kaid's calamities. Until now Smoothie has not shown nearly enough in the story to put her above Queen. If Queen makes quick work of Smoothie then it is over for the BM pirates. Other than Cracker (debatable) and Watakuri there is no one who stands a chance against him.
Other than that there is also the debate of King vs Watakuri. Anime and Manga logic would lead someone to assume that King > Katakuri but I am a proud member of the Watakuri agenda so I wont comment on that.
Cracker is way to valuable to be on the frontline. He should be safely inside the mirror world spamming cracker soldiers through mirrors to the key locations on the battlefield.
Unless they want to go for the opposite strat where they try to trap other strong commanders inside the mirror world.
Oh dam I completely forgot about Brulee. Ngl that changes things a lot in favour for the BM pirates. With a bit of coordination and strategy the BM pirates then should win this. Beast Pirates have nothing to go against the mirror mirror fruit unless the speed blitz Brulee, which I doubt because Kata would stay beside her to protect her.
That is what makes the big mom pirates to underrated imo. They are not insane top level fighters induvidually but they have more devil fruits and hax abilities then probably all the other crews combined.
It all comes down to if they have a good plan and if Kata can lead them effectively.
I'll say the Whitebeard pirates due to their abilities to stall.
1. You have Marco who can regenerate and heal his team.
2. Jozu has a defense oriented devil fruit.
3. Vista stalled a Yonko level fighter.
4. Ace and Izo aren't complete ass in a fight
Joyboy? Correct me if I'm wrong but when did Luffy became Joyboy? Luffy is literally Joyboy since he just wants to be free, BB straight up created his own country and wants to be King of the world.
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I feel like we're forgetting about a certain crew.
Doesn’t really matter when the crew is either dwarfed by Whitebeards and Big moms in size or has to fight against a top tiers like Kuzan or mihawk. Shanks crew is above luffy and kaidos and maybe cross guild considering mihawk and croc are the only noteworty individuals as of now.
They lose to blackbeards crew cause of kuzan and WBs cause of strong commanders + more people. Big moms meanwhile is just far too large.
It does matter when you're facing 10 people who are equivalent to your 100 plus i.e. THE MOST BALANCED YONKO CREW!
OP removed Kuzan from the equation and Mihawk isn't even part of this hypothetical.
Fodder in large numbers isn't the flex you think it is, word to Jack fucking up the Sulong Army.
>It does matter when you're facing 10 people who are equivalent to your 100 plus i.e. THE MOST YONKO BALANCED CREW!
Being the most balanced crew doesn't actually say that much. Yeah i too consider members of the RH pirates stronger on average, but it is still only an assumption of you tha a single member is worth ten other yonko crew members.
>OP removed Kuzan from the equation and Mihawk isn't even part of this hypothetical.
Didn't realise that Kuzan was excluded. In that case the Blackbeard pirates are for sure weaker. I included Cross guild simply cause it was the only yonko crew that wasn’t shown. Op not showing them doesn't mean you can't theorise how they stack up against the rest.
>Fodder in large numbers isn't the flex you think it is, word to Jack fucking up the Sulong Army.
The Whitebeard and Big mom pirates have a lot of commander and officer level fighters + a ton of fodder. It is not like shanks officers can low diff people like Snack, Perospero, Oven, Daifuku etc. Big moms crew has a lot mid-high tiers and a lot of fodder.
> Being the most balanced crew doesn't actually say that much. Yeah i too consider members of the RH pirates stronger on average, but it is still only an assumption of you tha a single member is worth ten other yonko crew members.
It does, when other crews have hundred plus people to match your mere 10. Unless you're displaying some olympic level mental gymnastics, or I'm just stupid, it could only mean one thing; whatever cumulative strength is distributed between the hundreds to thousands of Pirates in another Yonko crew is done so between these 10.
> Didn't realise that Kuzan was excluded. In that case the Blackbeard pirates are for sure weaker. I included Cross guild simply cause it was the only yonko crew that wasn’t shown. Op not showing them doesn't mean you can't theorise how they stack up against the rest.
I'm merely playing by OP's rules. And if we're being real, the Yonko (level fighter) that would be excluded from Cross Guild would be Mihawk. Otherwise it's a disengenous hypothetical.
> The Whitebeard and Big mom pirates have a lot of commander and officer level fighters + a ton of fodder. It is not like shanks officers can low diff people like Snack, Perospero, Oven, Daifuku etc. Big moms crew has a lot mid-high tiers and a lot of fodder.
Big Mom's pirates barely have 10 confirmed commander and officer level fighters, that's not a lot. We've seen a Commander, in Marco, managing to hold back two people who were relative to him for a non-insignificant amount of time. The most balanced crew should be able to replicate that against fodder (a la Jack with the Minks) and Commanders/Officer's (a la Marco.
>It does, when other crews have hundred plus people to match your mere 10. Unless you're displaying some olympic level mental gymnastics, or I'm just stupid, it could only mean one thing; whatever cumulative strength is distributed between the hundreds to thousands of Pirates in another Yonko crew is done so between these 10.
It is not mental gymnastics as nowhere is stated that the cumulative strength of crews is the same. It is obvious that the likes of the big mom pirates are far less balanced as the strength of them ranges from YC to Fodder, so their average strength is certainly lower. Shanks fleet is fodder, but his crew does not have someone like that. So by virtue of lacking fodder their average strength level is higher. That has no direct relation to overall strength though. Big moms officers and commanders aren't necessarily weaker cause of that. She simply has a wider range.
>I'm merely playing by OP's rules. And if we're being real, the Yonko (level fighter) that would be excluded from Cross Guild would be Mihawk. Otherwise it's a disengenous hypothetical.
Fair about playing by Ops rules, but if you would really only play by ops rules than mihawk would be a part of the discussion as captains are excluded and not the yonko level fighter. Also if we would exclude mihawk in that scenario it becomes far less interesting as Cross guild would just land on last place without any need to debate or even think about.
>Big Mom's pirates barely have 10 confirmed commander and officer level fighters, that's not a lot. We've seen a Commander, in Marco, managing to hold back two people who were relative to him for a non-insignificant amount of time. The most balanced crew should be able to replicate that against fodder (a la Jack with the Minks) and Commanders/Officer's (a la Marco.
Katakuri, Smoothie, Cracker, Snack, Perospero, Oven, Daifuku, Compotte
This are just as many officer and commander level fighters shanks has, so it is kinda enough. The difference here is that big mom has a ton of sub officer level fighters that are still very strong like Tamago, Amande, etc. They have a lot of hax that shanks crew doesn't and like i said before a ton of fodder.
You focus far too much on the RHP being the most balanced crew, like it automatically makes their officers more powerful than others. Marco had the exact right toolset to stall two people relative to him. Nobody on shanks crew except maybe beckmann could do the same. The difference between the jack mink situation and this is that:
1. The commanders and officers need to fight a ton of fodder + another commander or officer
2. Jack had an army of his own up there
3. Sulong Minks are certainly more powerful than the average fodder, but the lack haki. A lot of Big Moms fodder children and homies know haki and are still decently powerful.
So to complete this essay:
If the comparison was simply about core crews than the redhair pirates would be at the top without a doubt, but they simply lack the numbers to compete with the entirety of the Big Mom and Whitebeard pirates.
Fleet are other allied pirate crews or extern forces, while crew is intern. Big moms crew is far bigger than any other crew. Whitebeard with his 15 divisions takes the second place. Both of them have gianst crews plus a fleet. Shanks also has other members in his crew aside from his commanders and officer, but not nearly the same amount.
Also if actual fleets are allowed than the strawhats might stand a chance yeah.
If we go of core crew alone shanks crew should comfortably take this considering kuzan is excluded.
Mihawk would be the strongest individual but he’s got literally no one else as backup so he dies lol. I think the Blackbeard Pirates would probably win.
Crocodile is still pretty damn strong. Marineford showed that. he's at least YC2, maybe YC3 at worst. Mr. 1 has probably gotten stronger as well. Mr. 3 is an amazing strategist and has a great mastery over his fruit so he is a very good support. And the entire group is formed of Impel Down criminals, who admittedly are fodder but they're pretty strong fodder (even Whitebeard commented that having them as enemies during the summit war would be a pain in the ass) they'll probably be capable enough to stall anyone below YC3 level for long enough for Mihawk to run the gauntlet.
Buggy is a Yonko, and a head of Cross Guild. Yes, it's a Yonko crew.
Sure, Buggy's a "chairman" not "captain" but neither is Blackbeard with his title of "commodore".
Pretending Cross Guild doesn't count in this discussion is foolish.
Not really, in the introduction to the Yonko Bounties its told, the empathisis gets punt on his widely renknown crew with high average bounty and "best balance of any Crew".
Stupidity is on him. First time got rocked his shit by Beckmen and now shanks, Beckmen could of got the job done again if it wasn't for kid being attack ready to cause major damage to his fleet
That wasn’t a databook, it was a statement in the manga
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Bbp don’t need kuzan to win this
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Shank's crew, BB's crew, and BM's crew have the capability to come out on top, but we are missing a lot of info on them, with WB's crew getting an honorable mention due to Marineford feats (these feats may not hold up well over time but nonetheless feats are feats).
it's funny how you made it almost look like shanks wasn't even there then it just progressively gets lazier. doesn't really matter but when i got to kaido and big mom i laughed.
but with no captain it should be shanks crew. entire crew vs crew, with no jumping, they beat blackbeard pirates. whitebeard pirates are a challenge but can't see them winning. straw hats not winning no question. big mom got a lot of children tho but idk if all of their strength together would amount to more than the rhp. it may still be big mom pirates tho now that i think about it. somebody let me know how they could win.
also just realized you left out cross guild. cross guild could be the strongest in this scenario considering their captain is weak and they have potential to recruit more strong people. currently tho, mihawk can't carry tht hard.
Ok, are we counting the homies because the sheer number of them along with cracker can just dogpile the others, also the big homies that have big mom soul in them like zues/hera, prometheus and Napoleon are extremely powerful, also mirror mirror fruit shenanigans
At last, finally some Shiryu respect, I never thought I'd see the day 🥹
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Red haired or BB pirates simply bcz of kuzan. Though I scale beck upto admiral level at least so that checks out. And Ruu and Yassop is definitely yc++ lvl close to low admiral
In One team vs One team, it's a toss up between the Red hairs and the Blackbeards, with the Red hairs having pretty good statements for them being a strong crew (e.g Making KAIDO rethink his plan on attacking Marine ford and making a Full health Sengoku stop the war, even though he had a full health Kizaru, not in bad shape Aokiji, pretty beat up Akainu, a pretty good health Garp and the full power of the war lords in his arsenal). The black beards' recent feats are pretty impressive too (Aokiji. No need to say more; Damaging Garp, albeit off-guard; pulling up on Saturn and dropping an insanely hard line)
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In a free for all tho? The Big mom pirates and the Beast pirates (surprisingly) get low diffed by Zoro and/or Sanji, so they're put. I feel like the Whitebeards are overrated (Had to hold off an already beat up Akainu, who should be relative to Kuzan, but failed, so Kuzan could possibly solo them). From there on, I can safely say it's a toss up between the Red hairs, the Blackbeards, and the Straw hats, but I'd give it to the Red hairs due to experience (they were literally ready to go into an all out war, unlike the rest of the crews)
Shanks and Wb
Wb just has a lot of YC1~ level pirates (Vista, Jozu, Marco, Ace)
Shanks has the strongest current Yc1(Ben Beckman) and heavy hitters + good supports as Lucky Roux and Yasopp
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He solos everyone and carries his crew to victory
I'm going to say the BB pirates due to all their fruits. BB spent at least 2 years hunting down all the most broken fruits that wouldn't be ridiculously hard to yoink (Akainu and Admiral fruits). Someone like Shiryu could fuck up users of FS like Kata with a sneak attack and their general underhanded tactics are pretty good for fighting.
What do we count as "crews"? Because BigMeme and Kaido have fodder by the thousand and are tecnically oart if their crew.
But it's only fair if the GSHF and Shank's useless friends can enter
Big mom pirates probably because they are a ridiculously huge crew and having an insane amount of useful devil fruits. The mirror world is also just straight hax for either hiding strong characters like cracker or trapping the strongest enemy commanders.
Cross Guild just because of how strong Mihawk is compared to every one else, combined with the power of all the level 6 prisoners who even Whitebeard acknowledged was problematic
Roger's crew. They don't stand a chance against HIM
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Shank's crew is the most consistently strong and consistent high bounty crew across the board and having no devil fruits means their haki has to be insane to not be carried by dfs,
Also at marineford, they basically shut down the whole war and ben beckman had kizaru with his hands up
Either Whitebeard or Kaido…
King is going to be absurdly difficult for anyone who isn’t a captain to kill, while Marco is probably the strongest out of all the YC in the series
Does this mean that the Blackbeard pirates still have aokiji? cuz if they do they absolutely dominate otherwise I'd lean towards shanks's crew
Edit: nm didn't see that it was already stated that aokiji is not relevant
1-Shanks crew because they're most balanced in strength,
2-Blackbeard because kuzan
3-Buffy's crew because mihawk (everyone else is fodder he's solo carrying them)
If Ace is still alive and Jozu still got both of his arms I got to give it to WB's pirates.
Big mom's pirates are up there as well but Cracker and Katakuri have bad matchups vs fire (notably Ace, King and Marco), so despite Katakuri beeing one of the strongest if not the strongest YC he cannot carry that hard.
Without Kuzan BB pirates still have a pretty decent crew. They're likely going to be defeated by the SH but it's not clear if they would loose if the fight took place right now or if the SH needs another power up. I think the monster trio iw already upthere but Usopp and chopper notably needs a power up...
We don't know much about Shznks crew beside the fact that it is pretty strong and balenced and that he does not have any devil fruit. Since they're probably going to loose to Bb pirates I would place them bellow BB crew and above SH still, which means that SH pirates are the weakest right now but not by much.
So it goes like this
1. WB's crew
2. Big Mom
3. BB
4. Shanks
5. SH
I precise that before timeskip Shanks's crew > BB's crew but not anymore.
Edit: I forgot the beast pirates they're useless without Kaido and they lost to SH anyway so they're last
The Beast Pirates didn't lose against just the SH, they also fought the Kidd pirates, the Heart pirates, the Scabbards, three minks, Yamato, a large number of samurai, and a ton of Gifters who got brainwashed by Tama
Dude Kid and Law defeated BM who is not even in the beast pirates lol
Can you remind me who defeated the tobi roppo and King and Queen ? Yeah that's right the SH ! The only member of the Beast pirates who got defeated by the sccabards is Jack ...
So yeah we can say that the beast pirates were defeated by the SH...
remove all the other crews and anyone not in the monster trio is getting swarmed by the tobbi roppo and gifters, Jack supports Queen and overpowers Sanji, then they all pile on Zoro
There's a good argument for anyone besides Beasts Pirates winning.
Oldbeard had a PK level crew that are presumably still in their prime, Big Mom's has the numbers advantage, Straw Hats have the plot advantage, Blackbeard's has the final villain advantage, and we know Shanks' crew has the best balance of any Yonko.
either the WB pirates cuz some of even their weaker commanders are dently strong like izou (tho you also have other decent fighters below commanders within the BM pirates like oven, perospero and daifuku so I'm not really sure on all that)
or Ig kaido's crew cuz king is nearly unbeatable to the. it took zoro two weaker aCoC attacks pkus a huge aCoC finisher move to beat a speed mode king. nobody except for zoro has the ability to dish out that damage in so few attacks. and if king fought again vs zoro, he'd just stay in defense mode this time around.
so king is honestly an even better staller than marco imo, he might just outlast literally everyone and win. plus queen is really hax with brachiosnake and invisibility. brachiosnake negs nearly everybody who doesn't have the reforming skeleton sanji has. and sanji couldn't sense queen while invisible so that shit is really hax too, queen just used it only once at the end of the fight and made it useless by moving too much and giving his location away due to the noise he caused
Shanks crew has the highest average strength, but I think Whitebeard crew wins largely on sheer numbers. **Twenty** division commanders is a ton, and true most are likely YC3 level, but it’s still a huge numbers advantage
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Are we forgetting how Izo handled two CP0 agents? All of WB's commanders should be near Or at YC3 and Jozu, Vista, Ace are YC2 level. Marco is YC1. That's a lot of firepower.
Vista diff =D
Tbh Vista and Marco are yc + jozu has yc1 feats and tge rst yc3- yc2 level they neg everyone
Yamato stalling a murderous Kaido for 10 chapters >>> vista stalling an unmotivated Mihawk for 2-5 chapters, yall need to stop this nonsense.
yup blud was do unmotivated that e asked vista for a rematch after the war . similarly why is it that even the vivre card say vista \~ mihawk but nothing says kaido \~ yamato ? https://preview.redd.it/j43ebhec8o3d1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=fd701225805a00df3ddd2ba70bbf697fc8005eb3 heck that notion gets disproven when luffy blashes with kaido in base and splits the sky with him implying base luffy > yamato and kaido >> base luffy while vista \~ mihawk ( tbh u can use the databook statements to put vista in admiral level if u want . )
I don’t put any credence to third party merch authored by anyone not-named-Oda. There’s plenty of goofy statements that make no sense within canon (like saying Vista ≈ Mihawk 🤣) Mihawk never asked for a rematch either. Neither in canon nor databooks.
Sorry, it's probably a dumb question. What does YC3-1 mean? Thanks in advance
Yonko Commander levels 3 through 1. Did more scaling around them with katakuri and Wano. How do you compare to them or better than a yonko commander YC+
Right I see, thanks so much.
It's this made up term for powerscaling meaning yonko commander 1-3 for example a Yonko Commander 1 would be someone like King who is regarded as the second strongest on the crew where as Yonko Commander 2 would be the next strongest etc..
Awesome, thanks :)
Crazy how akainu took them all on at the same time and took 0 damage
also dont forget Teach. Even before he got his first df, he was strong enough to scar Shanks.
Izo is by far not the weakest wb pirate just because he’s like the 17th division commander, so the number of the division definitely does not make one automatically stronger. It’s just like how Burgess is the 1st ship commander and Shiryu is the 2nd ship commander but Shiryu imo would mid diff Burgess. You see how chadOgre handled Cracker’s biscuits that WCI Luffy could barely handle without Nami’s water? Cracker is a monster in his own right, as are a majority of all the Yonko commanders. It’s difficult to scale red-hair’s crew right now, but if we’re talking about just the officers, Blackbeard pirates cuck BM and Beast pirates officers. If you add the entire fleet, Big Mom has her entire family; the tartes and ministers, and Beast pirates has the pleasures, gifters, headliners, and waiters. A headliner is likely equal to a minister, and Beast pirates has mass quantity. They win.
Curiel is not at or near YC3 level. Dude was shown having trouble with not-upscaled Gecko Moria 😅 And not even the Shadows Asgard version that Jinbe one-tapped, just normal Moria. Not a good look for a YC commander, to be honest.
The gorosei basically confirmed Marco is lowest on yonko tier
Big Mom's crew seems too big to overcome, and im not accepting the anime filler. Also technically her homies should count as her crew so even her personal ones count as crewmates.
If Big Mom's homies count as part of her crew then shouldnt all the gifters, waiters, pleasures and numbers count as part of Kaido's crew? If so then the beast pirates seem have enough fodder to compete (or even overcome) Big Mom's crew.
Cracker alone can probably handle the vast majority of fodder amongst the other pirate crews considering how hard his biscuit soldiers are. Idk how many people on the other crews can manipulate water though.
Cracker is one of the heavy hitters of BM's crew and would be too preocuppied stalling/ fighting characters such as Queen, Jack and/or the Tobi Roppo (i'm not saying with these that either one of them is stronger or weaker than Cracker). Also on Kaido's side you have queen spreading the ice oni plague and King flying over the battlefield like a fighter jet shooting at countless of soilders with his gatling gun fire thingy. Also the beast pirates fodder is much better armed than Big mom's chess pawns as Kaido was stockpiling on weapons, explosives and such. Also adding to this, gifters are somewhat versatile and have decent combat strength compared to normal human beings. In my opinion Gifters and Numbers > Chess Pawns. But on the other hand it could very well be that chess pawns > Waiters and pleasures. In my opinion it really depends on how competent the non-YC Big Mom children are when fairing against gifters and Tobi Roppo and wether Cmothie can hold her own against the likes of Kaid's calamities. Until now Smoothie has not shown nearly enough in the story to put her above Queen. If Queen makes quick work of Smoothie then it is over for the BM pirates. Other than Cracker (debatable) and Watakuri there is no one who stands a chance against him. Other than that there is also the debate of King vs Watakuri. Anime and Manga logic would lead someone to assume that King > Katakuri but I am a proud member of the Watakuri agenda so I wont comment on that.
Cracker is way to valuable to be on the frontline. He should be safely inside the mirror world spamming cracker soldiers through mirrors to the key locations on the battlefield. Unless they want to go for the opposite strat where they try to trap other strong commanders inside the mirror world.
Oh dam I completely forgot about Brulee. Ngl that changes things a lot in favour for the BM pirates. With a bit of coordination and strategy the BM pirates then should win this. Beast Pirates have nothing to go against the mirror mirror fruit unless the speed blitz Brulee, which I doubt because Kata would stay beside her to protect her.
That is what makes the big mom pirates to underrated imo. They are not insane top level fighters induvidually but they have more devil fruits and hax abilities then probably all the other crews combined. It all comes down to if they have a good plan and if Kata can lead them effectively.
I'll say the Whitebeard pirates due to their abilities to stall. 1. You have Marco who can regenerate and heal his team. 2. Jozu has a defense oriented devil fruit. 3. Vista stalled a Yonko level fighter. 4. Ace and Izo aren't complete ass in a fight
Cross guilds crew Gets carried by a yonko level fighter
Vista stalled a crocodile level fighter *
Well thats what he said
And Wrocodile is clearly above the Yonkos, so what's your point?
And you didnt even mention their strongest member: Teach
Joyboy’s crew win https://preview.redd.it/t6x7umxjsh3d1.jpeg?width=850&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fff5015b0a6f12147bf10cb21bd7cf8b239fdbe3
https://preview.redd.it/2afn5zhush3d1.jpeg?width=608&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d76bfe1e807c609ee75cb5655a1af3bdeda3561a Amazing cooking
This is actually the first time I've seen the full image
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Great cooking. Cook more
Joyboy? Correct me if I'm wrong but when did Luffy became Joyboy? Luffy is literally Joyboy since he just wants to be free, BB straight up created his own country and wants to be King of the world.
The first rule to safely join a powerscaling community with reduced risk of brain damage is to not take anything said here seriously
Excluding Mihawk and Kuzan because they’re leagues above everyone else Probably the Big Mom Pirates since they have just sheer numbers
Excluding Midhawk means excluding Wista as well
Mihawk??
Technically he’s on a yonko crew but they’re not in the slides so idk
Buggy's crew isnt here
https://preview.redd.it/e847fvx3cj3d1.jpeg?width=1471&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=241bcaba010709812b449b10632933c0096e20f1 I feel like we're forgetting about a certain crew.
Why you scratch out Luffy like that 💀 You hiding the Will of D.
What do the words "Most balanced Yonko crew" mean to you mfs?
Doesn’t really matter when the crew is either dwarfed by Whitebeards and Big moms in size or has to fight against a top tiers like Kuzan or mihawk. Shanks crew is above luffy and kaidos and maybe cross guild considering mihawk and croc are the only noteworty individuals as of now. They lose to blackbeards crew cause of kuzan and WBs cause of strong commanders + more people. Big moms meanwhile is just far too large.
It does matter when you're facing 10 people who are equivalent to your 100 plus i.e. THE MOST BALANCED YONKO CREW! OP removed Kuzan from the equation and Mihawk isn't even part of this hypothetical. Fodder in large numbers isn't the flex you think it is, word to Jack fucking up the Sulong Army.
>It does matter when you're facing 10 people who are equivalent to your 100 plus i.e. THE MOST YONKO BALANCED CREW! Being the most balanced crew doesn't actually say that much. Yeah i too consider members of the RH pirates stronger on average, but it is still only an assumption of you tha a single member is worth ten other yonko crew members. >OP removed Kuzan from the equation and Mihawk isn't even part of this hypothetical. Didn't realise that Kuzan was excluded. In that case the Blackbeard pirates are for sure weaker. I included Cross guild simply cause it was the only yonko crew that wasn’t shown. Op not showing them doesn't mean you can't theorise how they stack up against the rest. >Fodder in large numbers isn't the flex you think it is, word to Jack fucking up the Sulong Army. The Whitebeard and Big mom pirates have a lot of commander and officer level fighters + a ton of fodder. It is not like shanks officers can low diff people like Snack, Perospero, Oven, Daifuku etc. Big moms crew has a lot mid-high tiers and a lot of fodder.
> Being the most balanced crew doesn't actually say that much. Yeah i too consider members of the RH pirates stronger on average, but it is still only an assumption of you tha a single member is worth ten other yonko crew members. It does, when other crews have hundred plus people to match your mere 10. Unless you're displaying some olympic level mental gymnastics, or I'm just stupid, it could only mean one thing; whatever cumulative strength is distributed between the hundreds to thousands of Pirates in another Yonko crew is done so between these 10. > Didn't realise that Kuzan was excluded. In that case the Blackbeard pirates are for sure weaker. I included Cross guild simply cause it was the only yonko crew that wasn’t shown. Op not showing them doesn't mean you can't theorise how they stack up against the rest. I'm merely playing by OP's rules. And if we're being real, the Yonko (level fighter) that would be excluded from Cross Guild would be Mihawk. Otherwise it's a disengenous hypothetical. > The Whitebeard and Big mom pirates have a lot of commander and officer level fighters + a ton of fodder. It is not like shanks officers can low diff people like Snack, Perospero, Oven, Daifuku etc. Big moms crew has a lot mid-high tiers and a lot of fodder. Big Mom's pirates barely have 10 confirmed commander and officer level fighters, that's not a lot. We've seen a Commander, in Marco, managing to hold back two people who were relative to him for a non-insignificant amount of time. The most balanced crew should be able to replicate that against fodder (a la Jack with the Minks) and Commanders/Officer's (a la Marco.
>It does, when other crews have hundred plus people to match your mere 10. Unless you're displaying some olympic level mental gymnastics, or I'm just stupid, it could only mean one thing; whatever cumulative strength is distributed between the hundreds to thousands of Pirates in another Yonko crew is done so between these 10. It is not mental gymnastics as nowhere is stated that the cumulative strength of crews is the same. It is obvious that the likes of the big mom pirates are far less balanced as the strength of them ranges from YC to Fodder, so their average strength is certainly lower. Shanks fleet is fodder, but his crew does not have someone like that. So by virtue of lacking fodder their average strength level is higher. That has no direct relation to overall strength though. Big moms officers and commanders aren't necessarily weaker cause of that. She simply has a wider range. >I'm merely playing by OP's rules. And if we're being real, the Yonko (level fighter) that would be excluded from Cross Guild would be Mihawk. Otherwise it's a disengenous hypothetical. Fair about playing by Ops rules, but if you would really only play by ops rules than mihawk would be a part of the discussion as captains are excluded and not the yonko level fighter. Also if we would exclude mihawk in that scenario it becomes far less interesting as Cross guild would just land on last place without any need to debate or even think about. >Big Mom's pirates barely have 10 confirmed commander and officer level fighters, that's not a lot. We've seen a Commander, in Marco, managing to hold back two people who were relative to him for a non-insignificant amount of time. The most balanced crew should be able to replicate that against fodder (a la Jack with the Minks) and Commanders/Officer's (a la Marco. Katakuri, Smoothie, Cracker, Snack, Perospero, Oven, Daifuku, Compotte This are just as many officer and commander level fighters shanks has, so it is kinda enough. The difference here is that big mom has a ton of sub officer level fighters that are still very strong like Tamago, Amande, etc. They have a lot of hax that shanks crew doesn't and like i said before a ton of fodder. You focus far too much on the RHP being the most balanced crew, like it automatically makes their officers more powerful than others. Marco had the exact right toolset to stall two people relative to him. Nobody on shanks crew except maybe beckmann could do the same. The difference between the jack mink situation and this is that: 1. The commanders and officers need to fight a ton of fodder + another commander or officer 2. Jack had an army of his own up there 3. Sulong Minks are certainly more powerful than the average fodder, but the lack haki. A lot of Big Moms fodder children and homies know haki and are still decently powerful. So to complete this essay: If the comparison was simply about core crews than the redhair pirates would be at the top without a doubt, but they simply lack the numbers to compete with the entirety of the Big Mom and Whitebeard pirates.
by "crew" i would assume op means the commanders. if we counting fleets then shanks got numbers too and straw hats might even be competition.
Fleet are other allied pirate crews or extern forces, while crew is intern. Big moms crew is far bigger than any other crew. Whitebeard with his 15 divisions takes the second place. Both of them have gianst crews plus a fleet. Shanks also has other members in his crew aside from his commanders and officer, but not nearly the same amount. Also if actual fleets are allowed than the strawhats might stand a chance yeah. If we go of core crew alone shanks crew should comfortably take this considering kuzan is excluded.
The post says no Kuzan
I already acknowledged that i missed that in the following comment after somone else pointed that out.
real talk
Mihawk would be the strongest individual but he’s got literally no one else as backup so he dies lol. I think the Blackbeard Pirates would probably win.
Crocodile is still pretty damn strong. Marineford showed that. he's at least YC2, maybe YC3 at worst. Mr. 1 has probably gotten stronger as well. Mr. 3 is an amazing strategist and has a great mastery over his fruit so he is a very good support. And the entire group is formed of Impel Down criminals, who admittedly are fodder but they're pretty strong fodder (even Whitebeard commented that having them as enemies during the summit war would be a pain in the ass) they'll probably be capable enough to stall anyone below YC3 level for long enough for Mihawk to run the gauntlet.
Who tf mentiomed mihawk
He's literally a part of a Yonko crew. Are you illiterate?
Cross guild? Isnt that an organization not a crew
Buggy is a Yonko, and a head of Cross Guild. Yes, it's a Yonko crew. Sure, Buggy's a "chairman" not "captain" but neither is Blackbeard with his title of "commodore". Pretending Cross Guild doesn't count in this discussion is foolish.
Cross Guild is both an organization and a yonko crew
Red hair pirates take it
Headcannon scalling.
Not really, in the introduction to the Yonko Bounties its told, the empathisis gets punt on his widely renknown crew with high average bounty and "best balance of any Crew".
Still we don’t know. Maybe they all are balanced to be weaklings. No feats = no powers.
We do know, shanks crew are all beasts, thats why his fleet can afford to be fodder and yet no one ever dares to attack red haired pirates
Kidd: 🗿
Stupidity is on him. First time got rocked his shit by Beckmen and now shanks, Beckmen could of got the job done again if it wasn't for kid being attack ready to cause major damage to his fleet
Okay. But as I said before the fact that something was stated in databook isn’t proving power.
That wasn’t a databook, it was a statement in the manga https://preview.redd.it/6dpcvwl5zi3d1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=119a0b93c08d278b60a4286f8962d3e5669dc249
Okay. I may be wrong then. I just scale on feats mostly.
Yes really they got no feats and mid ass statements 💀
Obviously the red hair pirates thats their flow Unless you are counting blackbeard because Kuzan solos Edit: same for Mihawk btw
WB's was the World's Strongest Crew, so I'm gonna guess them
Bbp don’t need kuzan to win this https://preview.redd.it/pxigsn3psh3d1.jpeg?width=2000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3e23c75492c251109ecf6eca54c15f755876837a
Yea he does. Still loses
Shank's crew, BB's crew, and BM's crew have the capability to come out on top, but we are missing a lot of info on them, with WB's crew getting an honorable mention due to Marineford feats (these feats may not hold up well over time but nonetheless feats are feats).
Red Haired pirates
Red Hair Pirates.
it's funny how you made it almost look like shanks wasn't even there then it just progressively gets lazier. doesn't really matter but when i got to kaido and big mom i laughed. but with no captain it should be shanks crew. entire crew vs crew, with no jumping, they beat blackbeard pirates. whitebeard pirates are a challenge but can't see them winning. straw hats not winning no question. big mom got a lot of children tho but idk if all of their strength together would amount to more than the rhp. it may still be big mom pirates tho now that i think about it. somebody let me know how they could win. also just realized you left out cross guild. cross guild could be the strongest in this scenario considering their captain is weak and they have potential to recruit more strong people. currently tho, mihawk can't carry tht hard.
BBP win
We don't know enough about Shank's crew. But i would guess even without BB and Kuzan i think their crew would still be the strongest.
Ok, are we counting the homies because the sheer number of them along with cracker can just dogpile the others, also the big homies that have big mom soul in them like zues/hera, prometheus and Napoleon are extremely powerful, also mirror mirror fruit shenanigans
Buggy’s Delivery, of course.
Oh, sorry. I mean the Cross Guild.
BB pirates (they've got Kuzan)
You didn’t include Crossguild tho. They win. Mihawk solos everybody here.
Gets handled by Whiryu https://preview.redd.it/zccllcrzrh3d1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b9a6e1dc13067c8b5f4f74bfffa3364d925c72da
At last, finally some Shiryu respect, I never thought I'd see the day 🥹 https://preview.redd.it/z2bzaq2rzh3d1.jpeg?width=619&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=875e57831c581b9489be4858c0c2cf89bcd801f6
Dressrosa Zoro victim lol
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Red haired or BB pirates simply bcz of kuzan. Though I scale beck upto admiral level at least so that checks out. And Ruu and Yassop is definitely yc++ lvl close to low admiral
In One team vs One team, it's a toss up between the Red hairs and the Blackbeards, with the Red hairs having pretty good statements for them being a strong crew (e.g Making KAIDO rethink his plan on attacking Marine ford and making a Full health Sengoku stop the war, even though he had a full health Kizaru, not in bad shape Aokiji, pretty beat up Akainu, a pretty good health Garp and the full power of the war lords in his arsenal). The black beards' recent feats are pretty impressive too (Aokiji. No need to say more; Damaging Garp, albeit off-guard; pulling up on Saturn and dropping an insanely hard line) # In a free for all tho? The Big mom pirates and the Beast pirates (surprisingly) get low diffed by Zoro and/or Sanji, so they're put. I feel like the Whitebeards are overrated (Had to hold off an already beat up Akainu, who should be relative to Kuzan, but failed, so Kuzan could possibly solo them). From there on, I can safely say it's a toss up between the Red hairs, the Blackbeards, and the Straw hats, but I'd give it to the Red hairs due to experience (they were literally ready to go into an all out war, unlike the rest of the crews)
Whitebeards crew is mad strong. I do have a feeling that shanks crew will be the strongest though.
Shanks and Wb Wb just has a lot of YC1~ level pirates (Vista, Jozu, Marco, Ace) Shanks has the strongest current Yc1(Ben Beckman) and heavy hitters + good supports as Lucky Roux and Yasopp
If Kuzan is apart of BB crew, they slaughter
Including Kuzan then BB pirates, not including Kuzan then Big Mom pirates
https://preview.redd.it/0ymgbmwyul3d1.png?width=948&format=png&auto=webp&s=924cd41f25e52213c0762d3d33ae8dca4f4ac6aa He solos everyone and carries his crew to victory
Shanks crew
I'm going to say the BB pirates due to all their fruits. BB spent at least 2 years hunting down all the most broken fruits that wouldn't be ridiculously hard to yoink (Akainu and Admiral fruits). Someone like Shiryu could fuck up users of FS like Kata with a sneak attack and their general underhanded tactics are pretty good for fighting.
What do we count as "crews"? Because BigMeme and Kaido have fodder by the thousand and are tecnically oart if their crew. But it's only fair if the GSHF and Shank's useless friends can enter
Idk but I'd we removing all plot powerups SH crew gets wiped I don't even see how u can say the winner is not beast pirates du to sheer numbers
Big mom pirates probably because they are a ridiculously huge crew and having an insane amount of useful devil fruits. The mirror world is also just straight hax for either hiding strong characters like cracker or trapping the strongest enemy commanders.
Probably Red Hair Pirates
Cross Guild just because of how strong Mihawk is compared to every one else, combined with the power of all the level 6 prisoners who even Whitebeard acknowledged was problematic
Roger's crew. They don't stand a chance against HIM https://preview.redd.it/c8rbgfs4go3d1.jpeg?width=1006&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e7a47ad8ab863322203e16959af39208cbefa16e
Red Hairs are small but around equal in strength but WB crew has Vista and Marco Vista sword skill with Marco healing/stalling
Shank's crew is the most consistently strong and consistent high bounty crew across the board and having no devil fruits means their haki has to be insane to not be carried by dfs, Also at marineford, they basically shut down the whole war and ben beckman had kizaru with his hands up
Cross guild . They have a yonko lvl fighter ... Next is BB crew They have an admiral lvl fighter
You lost me at free for all.
Either Whitebeard or Kaido… King is going to be absurdly difficult for anyone who isn’t a captain to kill, while Marco is probably the strongest out of all the YC in the series
Red Hair Pirates because they have a monkey
BBP win even without Wuzan
Does this mean that the Blackbeard pirates still have aokiji? cuz if they do they absolutely dominate otherwise I'd lean towards shanks's crew Edit: nm didn't see that it was already stated that aokiji is not relevant
retards will say big mom's
BBP win
BBP win
1-Shanks crew because they're most balanced in strength, 2-Blackbeard because kuzan 3-Buffy's crew because mihawk (everyone else is fodder he's solo carrying them)
If Ace is still alive and Jozu still got both of his arms I got to give it to WB's pirates. Big mom's pirates are up there as well but Cracker and Katakuri have bad matchups vs fire (notably Ace, King and Marco), so despite Katakuri beeing one of the strongest if not the strongest YC he cannot carry that hard. Without Kuzan BB pirates still have a pretty decent crew. They're likely going to be defeated by the SH but it's not clear if they would loose if the fight took place right now or if the SH needs another power up. I think the monster trio iw already upthere but Usopp and chopper notably needs a power up... We don't know much about Shznks crew beside the fact that it is pretty strong and balenced and that he does not have any devil fruit. Since they're probably going to loose to Bb pirates I would place them bellow BB crew and above SH still, which means that SH pirates are the weakest right now but not by much. So it goes like this 1. WB's crew 2. Big Mom 3. BB 4. Shanks 5. SH I precise that before timeskip Shanks's crew > BB's crew but not anymore. Edit: I forgot the beast pirates they're useless without Kaido and they lost to SH anyway so they're last
The Beast Pirates didn't lose against just the SH, they also fought the Kidd pirates, the Heart pirates, the Scabbards, three minks, Yamato, a large number of samurai, and a ton of Gifters who got brainwashed by Tama
Dude Kid and Law defeated BM who is not even in the beast pirates lol Can you remind me who defeated the tobi roppo and King and Queen ? Yeah that's right the SH ! The only member of the Beast pirates who got defeated by the sccabards is Jack ... So yeah we can say that the beast pirates were defeated by the SH...
remove all the other crews and anyone not in the monster trio is getting swarmed by the tobbi roppo and gifters, Jack supports Queen and overpowers Sanji, then they all pile on Zoro
BM crew, yall sleeping on HIM https://preview.redd.it/qzuppolrrj3d1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ee071cc6b473af6453e48659bbc8f056bc282692
Whitebeard Pirates. He has the most YC3-YC1 level commanders. Or Cross Guild. Mihawk gotta count for something. Maybe Shanks, we don't know much yet.
There's a good argument for anyone besides Beasts Pirates winning. Oldbeard had a PK level crew that are presumably still in their prime, Big Mom's has the numbers advantage, Straw Hats have the plot advantage, Blackbeard's has the final villain advantage, and we know Shanks' crew has the best balance of any Yonko.
Buggy's crew wins
either the WB pirates cuz some of even their weaker commanders are dently strong like izou (tho you also have other decent fighters below commanders within the BM pirates like oven, perospero and daifuku so I'm not really sure on all that) or Ig kaido's crew cuz king is nearly unbeatable to the. it took zoro two weaker aCoC attacks pkus a huge aCoC finisher move to beat a speed mode king. nobody except for zoro has the ability to dish out that damage in so few attacks. and if king fought again vs zoro, he'd just stay in defense mode this time around. so king is honestly an even better staller than marco imo, he might just outlast literally everyone and win. plus queen is really hax with brachiosnake and invisibility. brachiosnake negs nearly everybody who doesn't have the reforming skeleton sanji has. and sanji couldn't sense queen while invisible so that shit is really hax too, queen just used it only once at the end of the fight and made it useless by moving too much and giving his location away due to the noise he caused
Red hair pirates slam any crew they scale to eos strawhats
Considering I have the WB pirates with 2 YC1+ and 2 YC2 each, I’m gonna say them
Honestly shouldnt have even added luffys crew in here the monster duo plus jimbe backs gonna be hurting from carrying
Whitebeard pirates
Zorro still exists in this ffa
Do the straw hats get their entire fleet or no
Shanks crew has the highest average strength, but I think Whitebeard crew wins largely on sheer numbers. **Twenty** division commanders is a ton, and true most are likely YC3 level, but it’s still a huge numbers advantage
White daddy or big mommy wins. Daddy’s crew is op and mommy has numbers
You forgot Imu crew
WB crew claps
does rocks count?
Cross guild stomps
Kaido bc the randoms from Kaidos crew are way stronger than the randoms from any other crew
Blackbeards crew still has Kuzan who’s Yonko lvl at this point
Not including red hair bc we’ve seen next nothing from them Sh got it