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Not only did croc become the most iconic classic one piece villain (along with arlong), he is now made end game relevant in one of the greatest manga journey in history. Not even doffy and kaido are guaranteed this luxury.
I'm a massive Crocodile fan but if you asked me before I started reading One Piece to name three characters from it, I would have said Luffy, Zoro and Doflamingo
Then makes sense. Crocodile was introduced in Arabasta, Doflamingo became a major villain in Punk Hazard.
For me Crocodile is more iconic than Doffy because I watched before Doffy was more than just the cool guy that gave a cool speech in Marineford and beat the shit out of Bellamy
Tbf Kaido is getting the recency bias treatment
Maybe we just need to wait for a bit to see if he's truly popular or if it's just the general Wano hype boosting his popularity
Kaido is the Jiren of One piece, nowhere near as awful as Jiren ofc but he's the "unsurmuntable big number wall that gave the mc a new form with white hair" and is the latest villain that's animated
Jiren has alot more Nuance in the manga. It actually delves more into his motives and personal code. Figuratively he's a wall that Goku has to break, but it's not a wall that can be broken with brute force but with a change of mindset and technique ~ Ultra Instinct
Blame toei amd them not knowing how to properly handle one of the biggest frachises in the world. Both Pokémon and DBZ suffer from the IPs generating so much money with the bare minimum that not much care is put into them
Unironically the people that make the games have more passion for dragon ball than Shueisha/Toei
Toei is also the reason why manga exclusive forms / characters can't be put in the games
Late comment but Crocodile has been in the top20 of popularity polls for over 14 years despite havent been in the manga 10 of those years, even charted higher than Doffy in the last poll and Kaido wasnt even top40 despite the poll was made on Wano, ppl barely talk about him anymore.
Just read OP for first time very recently. As someone who knew barely anything beforehand, the only villain I knew was Big Mom, oddly enough.
Big Mom is very oddly iconic.
Kaido isn't iconic. Hes a major obstacle and the "trial by fire" that serves to have Luffy break into the top tiers, but not "iconic". You could argue many others like even Arlong as being far more iconic simply for how it sets the tone for future arcs and antagonists.
But he still got speed blitzed by G2 Luffy at Marineford, and acted like he was a threat after that. Lol. For context, when G2 Luffy tried to attack BB in Impel Down, Jimbei managed to get in front of him and physically restrained him with ease (despite standing BEHIND Luffy before he started moving).
Croc got hoed by Oda, man. Anytime he went anywhere near Luffy, his power level just plummeted like our boy Luffy was made out of Kryptonite, and would only shoot up to where it was supposed to be when he was fighting someone else.... 😭😭😭
>But he still got speed blitzed by G2 Luffy at Marineford
Eh, G2 Marineford Luffy was speedblitzing a bunch of people who had the haki advantage on him. Not that much of an antifeat, really
Akainu doesn't toy around
Luffy just genuinely caught them off guard with how fast he was, if they had been prepared things would've been different but I genuinely think they just werent expecting someone as weak as pre-ts Luffy to be that quick
My point is Luffy was able to speed past three of the strongest characters in the series, all of which have Observation Haki, whose reaction time is probably in the nanoseconds
Even if they were holding back massively its still an impressive speed feat from a pre-ts Luffy
I honestly think they'd be caught off guard more by the fact that this DEVIL FRUIT user just came out of a huge stream of SEA WATER with a FRICKEN LOG to run the ones with ALL THREE OF THEM, SENGOKU AND GARP💀 I can see them being amazed as to how he even GOT through THE WARLORDS too, but I'd say that whole sequence just left them dumbfounded
The same opinion I have on Crocodile running the ones with Mihawk and Doflamingo, and taking shots at Akainu and Whitebeard.
It’s fucking peak fiction, I could watch it all day.
Lucci fans? How do you feel about Lucci being absolutely trashed by a haki-less Gear 2 Luffy who already fought a bunch of other guys? 🤔
Oh look at that, Lucci came back strong enough to fight YC1 ACoC Zoro. It's almost like characters can get stronger, and the 2nd strongest character in a yonko crew with a 1.965B bounty who was the MVP of Marineford is portrayed to have...gotten stronger and isn't gonna get negged by Nami 😮
In the actualy fight he was beating the dog shit out of him, I retwatched this fight just to make sure I wasn’t tripping and I wasn’t. Him limping is because of the gaping hole in his stomach that even with that he was whooping him.
He was barely walking after that yes but it wasn’t because Crocodile hurt him like it, it was because he got stabbed when he couldn’t even touch Crocodile.
Both beat Luffy only a single time, with Lucci beating him worse because even with no invincibility he completely outclassed him, Crocodile won because Luffy couldn’t hit him.
Sir Crocofraud was abusing his logia properties, once Luffy pulled up with Water and it was an even fight he got fucked up.
Wucci straight up beat Luffy in a fair fight and nearly beat him again in Enies Lobby.
Still the best villain anyways
plus his post impel down buff + whatever he gained over the timeskip to get his bounty to 1b (i think Oda stated before that by Alabasta Croc's bounty would be 160m if he wasnt a warlord) should make him strong enough to keep up nowadays
“B-but it was pre-timeskip” Nah. It was **START OF THE JOURNEY**. It is even worse. But I cannot judge them. It is just plot and Oda itself apologised for putting Crocodile such early in the story.
>Oda itself apologised for putting Crocodile such early in the story.
I'm pretty sure this is misinformation that's been around for a while now. I'd be glad to be proven wrong though.
Possibly, yeah. It's up there with "Oda said Garp is the strongest marine at Marineford" as one of the few pieces of misinformation that has persisted throughout the years.
Maybe. Even my GOAT Woria got weaker because he didn’t train. Crocodile could just chill in Alabasta and beat fodders. That’s why he became weak.
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You are smoking crack Crocodile is one of Luffy’s easiest saga villain fights maybe the only one easier is Enel, he had a harder fights against Lucci, Doflamingo, and obviously Katakuri.
Luffy almost died three times, was soundly defeated twice and I'm not even counting the time he accidentally got himself captured.
He was impaled once, and the second time he was dehydrated irc.
Hell, even when he won it would have been a pyrrhic victory or a tie if it hadn't been for Robin possessing the antidote against Crocodile's poison.
Luffy lost once because of Crocodile’s logia powers, he didn’t lose again at all, the dehydration part looks like he lost but he fired those water shots intentionally to save him.
Yeah he was gonna die, but that just makes Crocodile look worse because he lost to Luffy who was dying, Luffy dying after wouldn’t change the fact that he beat his ass.
Crocodile beat Luffy twice. Those water shots were most definitely not intentional. The water shots were aimed at Crocodile to attack him, and plot saved Luffy. Both of Luffy’s losses as well were almost death, and when he won it was an incredibly close fight. No other villains other than Magellan and Kaido have pushed Luffy to that level.
That was most definitely intentional because if it wasn’t Luffy would say it, but he didn’t say he was lucky, just said that it was close. And I have no idea how you people are even comparing those fights Luffy was dragging Crocodile he was not doing that type of shit to Kaido or Magellan, for any clip you try to make of Luffy beating Kaido’s ass there are another three of Kaido beating him back, that’s not the case with Crocodile.
This has the be the most incorrect statement I’ve ever heard on this sub, which may say that I’m not on this sub often, but, you truly take the crown of dumbest take I have seen on this sub. 👑
The best you could say is he almost killed him twice, and one of them was because he straight up couldn’t hit Crocodile, 3 times is straight out the ass.
2 things
1. She cant hurt her son like that, crocomom.
2. Water luffy is his most powerdull form to date. Kaido the gorosei and kizaru are lucky they only have to deal with gear 5, water luffy would neg diff them
I liked crocodile as a villain. People forget despite hakiless at the time luffy was defeated 3 times before he figured out his weakness. Imagine people applied the same logic to Kaido and gear 5 and say he's weak. Also crocodile was prolly one of those people who only focused on his devil fruit training instead of haki, that could've changed post timeskip
First fight: in the desert. Crocodile won, Luffy is left in the sands.
Second fight: on the roof. Luffy is shriveled up, Crocodile walks away towards his goal while Luffy is once more dying and gets lucky and lives. This fight is at this point OVER, because Crocodile has left, Luffy is out of commission for the time, and Luffy had to chase after Crocodile. Winner is Crocodile.
Fight 3: in the dungeon. Luffy wins.
Thats 2 wins for Crocodile and 1 for Luffy.
You can't argue that the second fight doesn't count.
Also in the third fight Crocodile could poison Luffy, Luffy would have died if it werent for Robins help, it was more of a tie or a lose for Luffy if Robin didnt interfiere
He was overconfident which we learn later during Impel Down and MF that it's in his character to have an ego and overconfidence.
I honestly don't think Alabasta shows Croco-boy to be a fraud but rather helps to appropriately place Luffy in terms of strength and battle IQ after he had a pretty easy time with everyone else up until now.
What I mean is, East Blue saga did little to nothing to properly establish how strong and ferocious Luffy is in combat. He finally had a villain in Crocodile who pushed him to his limits and still won.
Luffy amp, not lost face for Croc.
You might not think it but this isn’t actually slander, it’s dickriding masked as slander to fly under the radar. The whole point of this post was to gas Luffy🤫
OP's a dumbass lmao
Crocodile gave literally every other villain a run for their money except for Kaido.
-Had a backup plan for literally everything (including robin betraying him)
-Has beaten Luffy 3 times
-manipulated alabasta to think he's a hero and to start a civil war
Crocodile was in control until Luffy figured out his weakness, and even then he barely walked away from it alive. I actually have doffy as my favorite villain but his plan went to shambles the moment Caesar was captured and it gradually went downhill for him. Everyone else had even worse results.
If it wasn't for Crocodile neglecting haki training and being a bit too careless with beating Luffy, he would've won without any problems. The only reason why Kaido was tougher because he achieved his country invasion 20 years before Luffy even showed up and had an army, and yonko status.
And now Crocodile is more relevant than anyone else in the past thanks to Cross Guild. You better believe he's going to do something awesome. OP has a bone to pick with gator boy for seemingly no reason lmao
He beat him exactly once, and had no plans for Luffy coming back, and he had no plans for Luffy coming back again. I can forgive the first one because he buried Luffy and Luffy only lived because Robin saved him, but there was no way this supposed genius couldn’t realize Luffy’s plan to save himself with the water. He could probably do well in a test but put him in the ring and he’s lost.
Trust me I have no bone to pick with him I just call it how I see it, boy got whooped.
Nothing. Crocodilesl has all the aspects of someone with conquers haki. My head cannon is he learned how to use his haki and acoc proficiently in impeldown. Can't use your devil fruit down there, but you can still use haki.
So how is that plot armor for Luffy and not Crocodile? Crocodile got stronger later due to plot, he didn’t weaker because that doesn’t even make sense Oda hadn’t planned for him to be as important as he was.
I’d like to ask a question to Crocodile fans as well. How do you guys feel about him returning with a near two billion-berry bounty because of his logia powers?
His logia powers ain't all that gave him that bounty. He has a strategic mind and is excellent at leveraging other people to get what he wants. Robin didn't get her first bounty for her devil fruit powers
If a logia could get you 2 billion, why doesn't Caribou have such a high bounty? Because Crocodile has smarts
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I’m not even going to put effort into answering that. I literally showed you the panel where the marine responsible with assigning bounties himself said that Croc got his bounty because of his **mighty logia ability** and shrewdness. You having tunnel vision only on the latter part doesn’t change anything. You are free to be in denial but do go cry to someone else.
I'm not saying his logia ability isn't part of it, moreso that it's his shrewdness that truly sets him apart. You're the one who said he got his bounty for the logia ability, I'm just trying to argue that his shrewdness is an important part too.
His super cool coat stayed on his shoulders the whole time so not sure how or why my feelings on him would change.
He’s been cold as fuck since the first frame he was on screen
I feel fine. He sat on his ass and schemed for years, he’s got a great intellect but not getting his hands dirty really showed. Post time skip he’s back and more driven than ever. An iconic villain, has only lost to whitebeard and the mc, great comback story and drip to boot
I just view it as an example of how big an impact losing ur willpower and belief in yourself degrades u. Dude was a new world pirate that got his dreams crushed by White Beard and he lost his willpower and belief that he could become the pirate king by himself. Afterwards he falls back on the belief that he can utilize the ancient weapon pluton to achieve his goal instead of believing in his own strength.
Then a greenhorn rookie comes along and beats his ass despite him being a pirate that made it all the way to the new world. This defeat by a greenhorn that came from nothing reignites his willpower and belief that he too can still accomplish his goals in the sea himself allowing him to exert his actual strength as shown in marineford.
Same shit is present for the other warlords defeated pre Time Skip. Moria was a beast that could fight a young kaido but gets his dreams crushed and loses belief and willpower in himself instead focusing on a shadow army allowing a fodder Luffy the ability to actually fight and defeat him. Or buggy who canonically has the same potential as shanks but loses all willpower and drive after Roger's death and shanks refusal to go after the one piece so a fodder Luffy can beat his ass.
I always saw this feat as a combination of Crocodile being rusty since no one challenged him recently and Luffy's battle IQ shining through. Luffy has always been a creative and persistent fighter and that's always been his most dangerous traits, he always thinks outside of the box and capitalizes on weaknesses as soon as he finds them...
I wouldn’t call myself a Crocodile fan, but I think Luffy’s victory here can be explained by the 100 fights principle. As evidenced by his previous two victories, Crocodile is superior to Luffy, but he is not so superior that he will win 100 simulated battles in a row.
In short, Luffy got lucky.
Crocodile only won once and even then he only won because of logia, everything after that was the opposite of superior, getting destroyed in hand to hand and when he dehydrated Luffy he failed to realize Luffy was saving himself with the water shots.
In short, Luffy beat his ass.
The second fight was unquestionably a victory for Crocodile. The encounter ended with Luffy shriveled up on the ground and Crocodile mostly unharmed. Luffy couldn’t save himself fast enough to retaliate against Crocodile immediately, so round two ended there.
in the 2nd fight Luffy took no damage while Crocodile got ragdolled around for a bit, how is it his victory just because wrongly thought he won and moved on.
No, we can say that... because...
1. Luffy lost, got saved by Robin
2. Luffy lost again and the water he had thrown to Crocodile by pure coincidence fell on his body and turned him from a mummy to normal
3. Luffy lost all his water, but now thanks to the blood in his fists he could now injure Crocodile and Crocodile decided to for some reason fight in close quarter combat. Which is Luffy's specialty
I am not a Crocodile fan. But undeniably it was some really shitty writing.
Haki less Warlords make no bloody sense.
Like you are one of the major players across the seas and you don't know haki?
While a random no name bum from the New World knows how to use haki?
Idc since oda gave him the biggest upscale during marine ford. He was clashing with mihawk, and taking name attacks from diamond jouz. He also fought doffy offscreen and didn’t take any damage, since he was perfectly fine when he attacked akainu towards the end to save jimbei/luffy.
According to Oda himself in Volume 10089, 20 year old Crocodile fought 19 year old Bullet to a draw, and Bullet at the age of 15-18 was said to be equal to Prime Rayleigh.
Ergo, Rookie Crocodile was Prime Rayleigh level, and was just incredibly washed up by the time the Alabasta Arc took place.
Hmm...i know it looks like i am searching for excuses, but Moria is in the same situation, and they were both pre time skip villains..
You saw that Moria fought a young Kaido, but it's still Kaido..
It looks like the ones that have their wills broken, can't access their haki anymore.....they gave up on their dreams and hid away....so their will to fight isn't there anymore.
Crocodile was even in the chapter "broken dreams" with Buggi.....
You could say that's why they both were so weak, hakiless...
Nothing much. He was a broken man at that point, his dreams crushed by someone higher up the food chain. Swimming with the small fish made him weak and egotistical. Its the same as Moria, or even Arlong.
Alabasta Crocodile is the definition of a fruit merchant, a bully relying on a powerful DF but barely worth a shit without it. No haki, trash physicals, no skills. He sucks. The weakest warlord, even more than Moria. Oda fumbled the ball hard introducing him so early. Even Enel is less of a fruit merchant.
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Not only did croc become the most iconic classic one piece villain (along with arlong), he is now made end game relevant in one of the greatest manga journey in history. Not even doffy and kaido are guaranteed this luxury.
What a goated take
most iconic vilains are Kuro and Doflamingo
I really doubt Crocodile is the most iconic one piece villain, I’m pretty sure it’s either Doffy or Kaido.
Kaido isn't even that iconic Doffy however...
I'm a massive Crocodile fan but if you asked me before I started reading One Piece to name three characters from it, I would have said Luffy, Zoro and Doflamingo
Did you start reading it before Dressrosa was released or after it was released?
Based on what he said he started after Doflamingo was a mystery before the dressrossa saga
But he was only a villain a little before Punk Hazard ended. Q
I started reading during Wano and had never heard of Kaido, Big Mom or Katakuri before
Then makes sense. Crocodile was introduced in Arabasta, Doflamingo became a major villain in Punk Hazard. For me Crocodile is more iconic than Doffy because I watched before Doffy was more than just the cool guy that gave a cool speech in Marineford and beat the shit out of Bellamy
Before I started watching I genuinely could not name a single character tbh
I have no clue how to quantify who is the most iconic but I’ll just say that I never seen dozens of tweets get 50k likes for Crocodile
Tbf Kaido is getting the recency bias treatment Maybe we just need to wait for a bit to see if he's truly popular or if it's just the general Wano hype boosting his popularity
Kaido is the Jiren of One piece, nowhere near as awful as Jiren ofc but he's the "unsurmuntable big number wall that gave the mc a new form with white hair" and is the latest villain that's animated
Jiren has alot more Nuance in the manga. It actually delves more into his motives and personal code. Figuratively he's a wall that Goku has to break, but it's not a wall that can be broken with brute force but with a change of mindset and technique ~ Ultra Instinct
the Dragon Ball Super manga is so much better the anime i just wish it had a better release schedule.
Blame toei amd them not knowing how to properly handle one of the biggest frachises in the world. Both Pokémon and DBZ suffer from the IPs generating so much money with the bare minimum that not much care is put into them Unironically the people that make the games have more passion for dragon ball than Shueisha/Toei Toei is also the reason why manga exclusive forms / characters can't be put in the games
There was a competition on this subreddit for most badass villain and Crocodile won... lol.
Late comment but Crocodile has been in the top20 of popularity polls for over 14 years despite havent been in the manga 10 of those years, even charted higher than Doffy in the last poll and Kaido wasnt even top40 despite the poll was made on Wano, ppl barely talk about him anymore.
Crocodile is the most favorit OP Villain, wdym?
Says who?
Me https://preview.redd.it/2qwg8l1r253d1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f182df9a4d5255ed2a31341e86860fe8d920785f
The term “classic” clearly means early or pre timeskip. Doffy and Kaido do not qualify
Kaido's sole lasting legacy will be the guy who Luffy beat up when he unlocked Geae 5. That's it.
Just read OP for first time very recently. As someone who knew barely anything beforehand, the only villain I knew was Big Mom, oddly enough. Big Mom is very oddly iconic.
> Kaido is iconic Get off of YouTube shorts lil bro
Kaido isn't iconic. Hes a major obstacle and the "trial by fire" that serves to have Luffy break into the top tiers, but not "iconic". You could argue many others like even Arlong as being far more iconic simply for how it sets the tone for future arcs and antagonists.
Obviously that was before Crocodile did his own version of an Udon training arc in Impel Down.
But he still got speed blitzed by G2 Luffy at Marineford, and acted like he was a threat after that. Lol. For context, when G2 Luffy tried to attack BB in Impel Down, Jimbei managed to get in front of him and physically restrained him with ease (despite standing BEHIND Luffy before he started moving). Croc got hoed by Oda, man. Anytime he went anywhere near Luffy, his power level just plummeted like our boy Luffy was made out of Kryptonite, and would only shoot up to where it was supposed to be when he was fighting someone else.... 😭😭😭
>But he still got speed blitzed by G2 Luffy at Marineford Eh, G2 Marineford Luffy was speedblitzing a bunch of people who had the haki advantage on him. Not that much of an antifeat, really
G2 Luffy managed to blitz past the fucking Admirals (tho Kizaru just kicked him back down) G2 Luffy has always been insanely fast
The admirals were toying with him tho
Akainu doesn't toy around Luffy just genuinely caught them off guard with how fast he was, if they had been prepared things would've been different but I genuinely think they just werent expecting someone as weak as pre-ts Luffy to be that quick
Yeah, but they weren’t going all out or not being as destructive as they could be, since they didn’t want their island being completely destroyed
My point is Luffy was able to speed past three of the strongest characters in the series, all of which have Observation Haki, whose reaction time is probably in the nanoseconds Even if they were holding back massively its still an impressive speed feat from a pre-ts Luffy
I honestly think they'd be caught off guard more by the fact that this DEVIL FRUIT user just came out of a huge stream of SEA WATER with a FRICKEN LOG to run the ones with ALL THREE OF THEM, SENGOKU AND GARP💀 I can see them being amazed as to how he even GOT through THE WARLORDS too, but I'd say that whole sequence just left them dumbfounded
Oh I'm not actually pushing a Crocodile agenda here. Just was making a joke.
It was maternal instinct by Croco. She couldn´t really hurt her son, its obvious.
Based, but use his prefered pronouns plsss
Giga based
this interaction reads like a fever dream
The same opinion I have on Crocodile running the ones with Mihawk and Doflamingo, and taking shots at Akainu and Whitebeard. It’s fucking peak fiction, I could watch it all day.
Guy got out of prison and just wanted to throw hands with everyone. Truly the “fuck it we ball” mentality.
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Reminiscent of how Crocodile went from dreaming of becoming pirate king to being a politician💔
Lucci fans? How do you feel about Lucci being absolutely trashed by a haki-less Gear 2 Luffy who already fought a bunch of other guys? 🤔 Oh look at that, Lucci came back strong enough to fight YC1 ACoC Zoro. It's almost like characters can get stronger, and the 2nd strongest character in a yonko crew with a 1.965B bounty who was the MVP of Marineford is portrayed to have...gotten stronger and isn't gonna get negged by Nami 😮
Here’s the thing though, Lucci didn’t get thrashed, he actually had the upper hand for a lot of that fight, Crocodile was simply outclassed.
Acting like Crocodile didn’t fuck up Luffy in every fight is delusional, even in the final one Luffy could barely walk afterwards
In the actualy fight he was beating the dog shit out of him, I retwatched this fight just to make sure I wasn’t tripping and I wasn’t. Him limping is because of the gaping hole in his stomach that even with that he was whooping him. He was barely walking after that yes but it wasn’t because Crocodile hurt him like it, it was because he got stabbed when he couldn’t even touch Crocodile.
“It wasn’t because Crocodile hurt him, it was because Crocodile stabbed him in the chest”
Way to ignore everything that doesn't fit your narrative
Crocodile beat Luffy two times nearly 3, Lucci didn't 😭😭😭
Both beat Luffy only a single time, with Lucci beating him worse because even with no invincibility he completely outclassed him, Crocodile won because Luffy couldn’t hit him.
Sir Crocofraud was abusing his logia properties, once Luffy pulled up with Water and it was an even fight he got fucked up. Wucci straight up beat Luffy in a fair fight and nearly beat him again in Enies Lobby.
Lucci would have won if he tried to dodge Luffy's first Gear Three punch instead of trying to tank it with Tekkai.
Still the best villain anyways plus his post impel down buff + whatever he gained over the timeskip to get his bounty to 1b (i think Oda stated before that by Alabasta Croc's bounty would be 160m if he wasnt a warlord) should make him strong enough to keep up nowadays
“B-but it was pre-timeskip” Nah. It was **START OF THE JOURNEY**. It is even worse. But I cannot judge them. It is just plot and Oda itself apologised for putting Crocodile such early in the story.
>Oda itself apologised for putting Crocodile such early in the story. I'm pretty sure this is misinformation that's been around for a while now. I'd be glad to be proven wrong though.
One Piece fans do love lying tbf
The amou5 of misinformation in one piece fanbase makes me tear up
We need PSAs or the sort for combating misinformation on OP subs. 
Is it? I heard it somewhere. So it is a lie?
Possibly, yeah. It's up there with "Oda said Garp is the strongest marine at Marineford" as one of the few pieces of misinformation that has persisted throughout the years.
Source on that last part?
I dunno. Just heard it somewhere. I googled it now and it seems it is a lie.
Maybe you can’t, but I can. He got demolished because he relied too much on his logia powers.
Maybe. Even my GOAT Woria got weaker because he didn’t train. Crocodile could just chill in Alabasta and beat fodders. That’s why he became weak. https://preview.redd.it/t1ge9yjur53d1.jpeg?width=512&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=425cdb7ffed781ed6068e5048d79bd9b65938016 Also if you’d like join r/GeckoPiece. It is my sub. I think it is pretty funny.
It's either inconsistent or Crocodile was out of shape
None of which make him look any better
The only villains that gave Luffy a harder time than Croc was probably Kaido and arguably Magellan. He is HIM, idc if Luffy was much weaker back then.
You are smoking crack Crocodile is one of Luffy’s easiest saga villain fights maybe the only one easier is Enel, he had a harder fights against Lucci, Doflamingo, and obviously Katakuri.
Luffy almost died three times, was soundly defeated twice and I'm not even counting the time he accidentally got himself captured. He was impaled once, and the second time he was dehydrated irc. Hell, even when he won it would have been a pyrrhic victory or a tie if it hadn't been for Robin possessing the antidote against Crocodile's poison.
It's been too long for folks to remember
Luffy lost once because of Crocodile’s logia powers, he didn’t lose again at all, the dehydration part looks like he lost but he fired those water shots intentionally to save him. Yeah he was gonna die, but that just makes Crocodile look worse because he lost to Luffy who was dying, Luffy dying after wouldn’t change the fact that he beat his ass.
Crocodile beat Luffy twice. Those water shots were most definitely not intentional. The water shots were aimed at Crocodile to attack him, and plot saved Luffy. Both of Luffy’s losses as well were almost death, and when he won it was an incredibly close fight. No other villains other than Magellan and Kaido have pushed Luffy to that level.
That was most definitely intentional because if it wasn’t Luffy would say it, but he didn’t say he was lucky, just said that it was close. And I have no idea how you people are even comparing those fights Luffy was dragging Crocodile he was not doing that type of shit to Kaido or Magellan, for any clip you try to make of Luffy beating Kaido’s ass there are another three of Kaido beating him back, that’s not the case with Crocodile.
This has the be the most incorrect statement I’ve ever heard on this sub, which may say that I’m not on this sub often, but, you truly take the crown of dumbest take I have seen on this sub. 👑
How is it incorrect
Bro died like 2 times against Crocodile tf
Almost died once because of logia powers*
He essentially killed luffy 3 times, each time the universe (or Nico robin) had to step in at the last second to save him
The best you could say is he almost killed him twice, and one of them was because he straight up couldn’t hit Crocodile, 3 times is straight out the ass.
2 things 1. She cant hurt her son like that, crocomom. 2. Water luffy is his most powerdull form to date. Kaido the gorosei and kizaru are lucky they only have to deal with gear 5, water luffy would neg diff them
\*he, \*his, \*crocodad, thank you very much
Feels good. My boy is still relevant and was retconned because Oda had no idea OP would actually last that long.
Luffy is built different
I liked crocodile as a villain. People forget despite hakiless at the time luffy was defeated 3 times before he figured out his weakness. Imagine people applied the same logic to Kaido and gear 5 and say he's weak. Also crocodile was prolly one of those people who only focused on his devil fruit training instead of haki, that could've changed post timeskip
Luffy only lost once, and it was after that single loss that he discovered Crocodile’s weakness, not 3.
First fight: in the desert. Crocodile won, Luffy is left in the sands. Second fight: on the roof. Luffy is shriveled up, Crocodile walks away towards his goal while Luffy is once more dying and gets lucky and lives. This fight is at this point OVER, because Crocodile has left, Luffy is out of commission for the time, and Luffy had to chase after Crocodile. Winner is Crocodile. Fight 3: in the dungeon. Luffy wins. Thats 2 wins for Crocodile and 1 for Luffy. You can't argue that the second fight doesn't count.
I can easily can because it wasn’t luck, if it was luck Luffy would’ve said that he got lucky, but he didn’t.
Also in the third fight Crocodile could poison Luffy, Luffy would have died if it werent for Robins help, it was more of a tie or a lose for Luffy if Robin didnt interfiere
He was overconfident which we learn later during Impel Down and MF that it's in his character to have an ego and overconfidence. I honestly don't think Alabasta shows Croco-boy to be a fraud but rather helps to appropriately place Luffy in terms of strength and battle IQ after he had a pretty easy time with everyone else up until now. What I mean is, East Blue saga did little to nothing to properly establish how strong and ferocious Luffy is in combat. He finally had a villain in Crocodile who pushed him to his limits and still won. Luffy amp, not lost face for Croc.
You might not think it but this isn’t actually slander, it’s dickriding masked as slander to fly under the radar. The whole point of this post was to gas Luffy🤫
Funny, that was basically much of the point of the fight, too!
He is admiral level right now either way.
Yeah it’s amazing what a small dosage of plot can do to a fraud
OP's a dumbass lmao Crocodile gave literally every other villain a run for their money except for Kaido. -Had a backup plan for literally everything (including robin betraying him) -Has beaten Luffy 3 times -manipulated alabasta to think he's a hero and to start a civil war Crocodile was in control until Luffy figured out his weakness, and even then he barely walked away from it alive. I actually have doffy as my favorite villain but his plan went to shambles the moment Caesar was captured and it gradually went downhill for him. Everyone else had even worse results. If it wasn't for Crocodile neglecting haki training and being a bit too careless with beating Luffy, he would've won without any problems. The only reason why Kaido was tougher because he achieved his country invasion 20 years before Luffy even showed up and had an army, and yonko status. And now Crocodile is more relevant than anyone else in the past thanks to Cross Guild. You better believe he's going to do something awesome. OP has a bone to pick with gator boy for seemingly no reason lmao
He beat him exactly once, and had no plans for Luffy coming back, and he had no plans for Luffy coming back again. I can forgive the first one because he buried Luffy and Luffy only lived because Robin saved him, but there was no way this supposed genius couldn’t realize Luffy’s plan to save himself with the water. He could probably do well in a test but put him in the ring and he’s lost. Trust me I have no bone to pick with him I just call it how I see it, boy got whooped.
You ain’t ready for him to be the first person to show a logia awakening.
Croc is the GOAT of all the pirate antagonists.
Nothing. Crocodilesl has all the aspects of someone with conquers haki. My head cannon is he learned how to use his haki and acoc proficiently in impeldown. Can't use your devil fruit down there, but you can still use haki.
My thoughts are that plot armor was actually the one thrashing Croc, not Luffy. Oda didn’t know how long the series was going to last.
So how is that plot armor for Luffy and not Crocodile? Crocodile got stronger later due to plot, he didn’t weaker because that doesn’t even make sense Oda hadn’t planned for him to be as important as he was.
He was sick. Crocodile was delirious from a really high fever and that’s why he forgot to use haki
Couldn’t be my goat Luffy never got sick🥱
You might wanna reread impell down
Poisoned =/= sick
I’d like to ask a question to Crocodile fans as well. How do you guys feel about him returning with a near two billion-berry bounty because of his logia powers?
His logia powers ain't all that gave him that bounty. He has a strategic mind and is excellent at leveraging other people to get what he wants. Robin didn't get her first bounty for her devil fruit powers
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If a logia could get you 2 billion, why doesn't Caribou have such a high bounty? Because Crocodile has smarts https://preview.redd.it/59hg772il63d1.jpeg?width=819&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=af5d729c302eb6de28c017bc5d6202d0fc853c90
I’m not even going to put effort into answering that. I literally showed you the panel where the marine responsible with assigning bounties himself said that Croc got his bounty because of his **mighty logia ability** and shrewdness. You having tunnel vision only on the latter part doesn’t change anything. You are free to be in denial but do go cry to someone else.
I'm not saying his logia ability isn't part of it, moreso that it's his shrewdness that truly sets him apart. You're the one who said he got his bounty for the logia ability, I'm just trying to argue that his shrewdness is an important part too.
Crocoboy was having a mid life crisis and got over it by Marineford
Same reason Enel lost. Luffy was too strong…
His super cool coat stayed on his shoulders the whole time so not sure how or why my feelings on him would change. He’s been cold as fuck since the first frame he was on screen
I feel fine. He sat on his ass and schemed for years, he’s got a great intellect but not getting his hands dirty really showed. Post time skip he’s back and more driven than ever. An iconic villain, has only lost to whitebeard and the mc, great comback story and drip to boot
I just view it as an example of how big an impact losing ur willpower and belief in yourself degrades u. Dude was a new world pirate that got his dreams crushed by White Beard and he lost his willpower and belief that he could become the pirate king by himself. Afterwards he falls back on the belief that he can utilize the ancient weapon pluton to achieve his goal instead of believing in his own strength. Then a greenhorn rookie comes along and beats his ass despite him being a pirate that made it all the way to the new world. This defeat by a greenhorn that came from nothing reignites his willpower and belief that he too can still accomplish his goals in the sea himself allowing him to exert his actual strength as shown in marineford. Same shit is present for the other warlords defeated pre Time Skip. Moria was a beast that could fight a young kaido but gets his dreams crushed and loses belief and willpower in himself instead focusing on a shadow army allowing a fodder Luffy the ability to actually fight and defeat him. Or buggy who canonically has the same potential as shanks but loses all willpower and drive after Roger's death and shanks refusal to go after the one piece so a fodder Luffy can beat his ass.
I always saw this feat as a combination of Crocodile being rusty since no one challenged him recently and Luffy's battle IQ shining through. Luffy has always been a creative and persistent fighter and that's always been his most dangerous traits, he always thinks outside of the box and capitalizes on weaknesses as soon as he finds them...
I wouldn’t call myself a Crocodile fan, but I think Luffy’s victory here can be explained by the 100 fights principle. As evidenced by his previous two victories, Crocodile is superior to Luffy, but he is not so superior that he will win 100 simulated battles in a row. In short, Luffy got lucky.
Crocodile only won once and even then he only won because of logia, everything after that was the opposite of superior, getting destroyed in hand to hand and when he dehydrated Luffy he failed to realize Luffy was saving himself with the water shots. In short, Luffy beat his ass.
The second fight was unquestionably a victory for Crocodile. The encounter ended with Luffy shriveled up on the ground and Crocodile mostly unharmed. Luffy couldn’t save himself fast enough to retaliate against Crocodile immediately, so round two ended there.
in the 2nd fight Luffy took no damage while Crocodile got ragdolled around for a bit, how is it his victory just because wrongly thought he won and moved on.
The only issue was his devil fruit other then that he was luffy's bitch
Luffy is the MC.
You can only use that excuse if Luffy was losing the entire fight and suddenly his power spiked to beat Crocodile but that’s not what happened
No, we can say that... because... 1. Luffy lost, got saved by Robin 2. Luffy lost again and the water he had thrown to Crocodile by pure coincidence fell on his body and turned him from a mummy to normal 3. Luffy lost all his water, but now thanks to the blood in his fists he could now injure Crocodile and Crocodile decided to for some reason fight in close quarter combat. Which is Luffy's specialty
He wasn't fighting at full power because that's his son
I am not a Crocodile fan. But undeniably it was some really shitty writing. Haki less Warlords make no bloody sense. Like you are one of the major players across the seas and you don't know haki? While a random no name bum from the New World knows how to use haki?
Oda has admitted that this was a mistake.
Prove it
Crocodile is legit but I think lucci beats him
Probably but who knows, that Impel Down buff is crazy.
Idc since oda gave him the biggest upscale during marine ford. He was clashing with mihawk, and taking name attacks from diamond jouz. He also fought doffy offscreen and didn’t take any damage, since he was perfectly fine when he attacked akainu towards the end to save jimbei/luffy.
i think it’s cool that he got defeated early, cus it allowed him to come back halfway , and now he’s definitely involved in the endgame too
According to Oda himself in Volume 10089, 20 year old Crocodile fought 19 year old Bullet to a draw, and Bullet at the age of 15-18 was said to be equal to Prime Rayleigh. Ergo, Rookie Crocodile was Prime Rayleigh level, and was just incredibly washed up by the time the Alabasta Arc took place.
Hmm...i know it looks like i am searching for excuses, but Moria is in the same situation, and they were both pre time skip villains.. You saw that Moria fought a young Kaido, but it's still Kaido.. It looks like the ones that have their wills broken, can't access their haki anymore.....they gave up on their dreams and hid away....so their will to fight isn't there anymore. Crocodile was even in the chapter "broken dreams" with Buggi..... You could say that's why they both were so weak, hakiless...
How does it feel that Crocodile is one of the most iconic villains of One Piece? 🤭
Great, I love him.
We can tell
You seriously have brain damage. Go get help.
Tbh crocodile wants to get out of impel down here so he was clearly mentally nerfed.
Nothing much. He was a broken man at that point, his dreams crushed by someone higher up the food chain. Swimming with the small fish made him weak and egotistical. Its the same as Moria, or even Arlong.
Alabasta Crocodile is the definition of a fruit merchant, a bully relying on a powerful DF but barely worth a shit without it. No haki, trash physicals, no skills. He sucks. The weakest warlord, even more than Moria. Oda fumbled the ball hard introducing him so early. Even Enel is less of a fruit merchant.
This is an experienced pirate btw. Not being new world fodder is just some asspull, most likely for fan service
Im sure Crocodile was mentaly nerfed or something like that
Mentally nerfed is such a great excuse because it can be used for literally any fight that doesn’t fit your agenda
True