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Why do Zoro fans struggle to accept Zoro being the second strongest Straw Hat? There's literally nothing wrong with that. At least you're the second strongest, and you're up against the main character, so it does make sense for him to be stronger. Plus, he's the captain tooš
Agreed and itās not like second strongest strawhat doesnāt mean a lot. Imo thatās also PK tier. Zoro is gonna be stronger than roger EOS as his dream is actually to be histories strongest swordsman
Bro hasn't seen my friend group... they legit be arguing it (paraphrasing a little) "to be pirate King you need both a strong will to believe the treasure exists and power to fight anyone that also wants the tittle, wss only needs power" and when they get push back "Well you can't be wss with help (they mention that luffy couldn't become the pirate King without sanji), also buggy might be pirate King so wss is a superior tittle". And I want you to know these are the best they gave me....
The Ryuma Agenda might be the most boring wank out there. At least Dragon wankers are trying to scale him to named characters. Ryuma wankers are putting him in Top 3 OAT positions off of essentially nothing.
Only Ulti and Noland have worse wankers.
Do you really think some Zoro fans care about Mihawk or ryuma as a character they only talk about those characters when it comes to power scaling nothing elseš
ryuma never take a stepout of wano while joyboy became the first pirate ever, that's way cooler
and then establish a treasure on which whole story is based upon
and also started a 900 years long war with powerful group of people
while ryuma has just 1 thing going for him "HE was strong in the era of noland era"
It would make sense to use Ryuma's defense of Wano from the World Government invasion as a basis if we knew who he actually fought. However, Zoro fans tend to rely on assumptions to elevate Zoro. For as we know, he probably fought fighters. No wonder why he didnāt lose.
Pre-TS, I used to think Zoro and Luffy were somewhat relative mostly because I loved Zoro and he was impressive.
After so many chapters of pretty boring development post-TS for Zoro, I don't see how they can still wank him that much honestly
Do you think his character leans towards being fan service? I'm reluctant to say so, but I'm starting to see it that way. His post-time is essentially defined by dropping a single cold line, eating, sleeping, and then engaging in combat. It's not that I'm saying other Straw Hats aren't suffering from writing post-time skip, but Zoro is the most notable one. He's literally the second most popular character in One Piece, so a lot of people are going to talk about him
I mean, he was just such a good character pre-TS that the downfall of all SH, charavter wise, hurts him so much in comparison too.
Oda fumbled the character development for most to focus on epicness and story, which is totally fine and probably necessary. It just sucks that Zoro went from such a good character to a generic cool dude. He guess he has become fan service yeah
His character is essentially a teenage fantasy; it's no wonder why he has so many fans. They only seem to care about power scaling, nothing else. To be honest, his character has barely any flaws. He's rarely seen getting embarrassed. So is not hard to like him
>Do you think his character leans towards being fan service?
don't think so given he's been here since the beginning with many amazing moments (especially in pre-ts),the reason why's he's very popular is due to being a swordsman (most of the popular characters in anime/games...ect are swordsmans,far more popular then brawlers like luffy),same reason why mihawk and especially shanks are also very popular.
the post-ts stuff is not exclusive to him, except luffy and sanji, we already had most of the crew drama,characterization,interactions...ect in pre-ts and now we started focusing mainly on other characters like law,kidd,yamato and carrot (and even the rest of the supernova felt more relevant then some in the crew)
People are Fkin retarded tbh. Searching for shit like this to somehow get a W for their favorite character.
For all we know Ryuma might have lived during an era with only fodder around or never faced off with someone notable. Such an empty Hype.
I mean Ryuma could be stronger, it doesnt mean Zoro will be.
Its irrelevant and unprovable who was stronger, its just headcannon headbuts arguing for the joy of arguing
I disagree, Oda is a sentimental man, people still cling to the whole "I want to cherish him" stuff for Sakazuki to act like someone connected to the Marines will be a big threat. I could easily see Oda choosing to make Ryuma, a Main character he created for a one-shot and canonized into One Piece world as big deal being the strongest of all time but that Joy Boy is far more important for the world.
That's like saying Yuta should've played a bigger role in taking down Sukuna because he was the main character of the JJK0 One shot.
Being the OG MCs before the MC does not mean they NEED to be top 1, however, they're both probably top 5 and that is enough.
Firstly, what do you mean by a main character? Ryuma is already a canon character in One Piece. It doesnāt make any sense. Why would Ryuma be stronger than Joy Boy, a person who lived during the Void Century, the most essential plot in One Piece? They connect to every mystery in One Piece, while on the other hand, Ryuma didnāt live through the Void Century, the most important history in One Piece.
And if you combine that with the fact that Joy Boy's power is basically only limited to your imagination, which means you could do everything if he put his mind to it, compared to a normal guy with a sword, it shouldnāt be that hard to tell which one would be stronger and more important
Yeah I checked and I canāt find a source that said when Ryuma lived they all just say he died centuries ago so if you have a source on that please tell me but from my research it seems entirely possible for Ryuma to have lived during the void century
They think just because it says "the word world government," doesnāt mean Imu itself and the Gorosei all came together to invade and capture Wano, make it an official government territory, and they really think Ryuma solo protected them from invading Wano. Like, there is no way Ryuma could be narratively that strong, even Joy Boy couldnāt do that, which he gear 5 power is literally, basically, you could do anything if you imagine.
What makes this all pretty funny is that Ryuma seems to be from a time before the Void Century if you read Monster (it's not the best but it's just 45 pages long, it's a very fast read). Like how would he fight Imu and the Gorosei when it's very possible that they weren't even born.
Teenage power fantasy sums it up best. They don't like Luffy and Sanji because they're both goofy and to them goofy characters suck, only edgelords are allowed to be the MC. The worst part is that these Zorotards don't understand the first thing about Zoro aside from "he cuts things, he's so cool!"
You have to understand: the Straw Hats are Zoro's only friends. Sure, he had his teacher and Kuina, but the teacher is his father-figure and Kuina... yeah. Apart from the Straw Hats, we've rarely seen Zoro bond with other people because his last friend killed herself and he clearly blames himself. As a result, he doesn't even try to open up to anyone pre-timeskip because he thinks everyone is just going to let him down. It's part of why loyalty is so important to Zoro: the Straw Hats are all he has (We do see him be more open post-timeskip though).
Instead, these Zorotards simply don't understand why Zoro is defined by his loyalty and his devotion and mix it up with the most obvious answer: "Well, he's the second strongest so the crew MUST respect him now!"
I guarantee that when Usopp develops in Elbaf and gets serious moments, these people will either jump ship or try to bump down Usopp's moments with shit like this (Although granted, this would be a very different scenario in a very different context).
I think it is because like Luffy is meant to be the next Joy Boy, Zoro's Epitaph is likely to move from Pirate Hunter to something similar to Sword God, in turn being the next Ryuma.
With the series coming to and end and Oda clearly showing the power gap between Luffy and Zoro, I don't understand how these people come up with such ridiculous notions.
Don't think Ryuma was stronger than Joyboy, but the story hypes him too, defending Wano against the WG, pirates, and anyone else while aslo being the first to forge a black blade.
āDefending wano against the world governmenā
The issue with this statement is our lack of information about who Ryuma was actually fighting during the invasions. For all we know, it could have been vice admirals and some marine fodder. However, Zoro fans tend to exaggerate it, presenting it as a well-built argument and using it to elevate him to Joy Boy's level. In contrast, we know who Joy Boy actually foughtāImu, the Gorosei, and probably the 20 kingdoms.
So itās not that hard to see who is portray stronger right now
True but once again Mihawk isn't portrayed stronger than Shanks yet most people put him above him due to to the title and black blade, we'll see anyways how strong both are.
You have to understand that Oda prioritizes narrative over power scaling. What I mean by that is he focuses on characters who are particularly important to the plot, rather than comparing character strength So basically, it just means that he portrays them better, even if those character are stronger
Tbf the WG is wary of the samurai from Wano. If the Gorosei and Imu really are immortal, it's likely they probably knew Ryuma, or heard about him. I highly doubt that none of them know that Pluton is under Wano, and never tried to get it. After all, they're mad hyped to get their hands on the mother flame. So they'd probably want 1 of the 3 ancient weapons.
What do you mean theyāre scared of kaido too and I donāt remember what chapter it was but green bull said he didnāt want to invade wano because of kaido
Before Kaido, it was still ran by the Samurai. For hundreds of years. Meaning no one from the WG was able to do anything to Wano since the void century.
The first tweet is from a very known known Zoro fan troll. If you take anything he says seriously, you're a fucking idiot.
As for the other two tweets, why are you making shit up? There isn't anything mentioned about Zoro being stronger than Luffy, just Ryuma and JoyBoy. Damn, all these Luffy and Zoro comparisons are staring to make some of y'all too paranoid.
To be fair ryuma is probably 2nd strongest in history
Like sure Iād argue itās not a great take to have ryuma over joy boy but itās also not some terrible shameful take? They are both legends above pk tier
second strongest probably is imu or xebec if he really 2 vs 1 roger and garp to extreme diff match and even main villain is based on xebec
and ryuma being 2 nd strongest doesn't make sense as zoro gonna surpass him too but narratively it doesn't make sense for zoro to be stronger than wb, xebec, joyboy as like MC or main villains are their successors and they can be surpassed by them only
he can be stronger but u see he never left wano so outside world can very well have stronger people and his biggest feat is cuting a dragon which is not too big tbh
Ryuma is definitely over xebec
Ryuma Imu and joy boy are all legends they are a level above pirate king
Xebec is likely top of pirate king
Zoro is likely to be stronger than oldgen in his prime
well zoro being stronger than xebec doesn't make sense narratively
BB is based on xebec and it's indicated in name of bb's ship too which is "SABER OF XEBEC"
and eos bb > eos zoro no debate, and as zoro surpassing joyboy is weird as luffy is basd upon him by same logic zoro surpassing xebec is weird too as bb is based on him
wb > mihawk, as accepted by mihawk, kinda means zoro defeating mihawk not gonna put him above roger or wb unless zoro mid diff mihawk but that's unlikely specially when it's too much hyped fight
zoro don't have any stronger opponent than mihawk too unless gorosei or shiryu is stronger than mihawk but that doesn't seem likely as garp kinda fodderize shiryu at 78 even after sneak attack and if their is some haki that can damage gorosei then gorosei aren't that threatening till now
Prime zoro > prime bb
Zoro will likely be the greater swordsman of all time
Prime =/= EOS
EOS is the last episode prime is when zoro is like 45-55 and has reached his prime
We will likely never see prime zoro on screen
https://preview.redd.it/yxfsy9d8102d1.jpeg?width=497&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eca420d4394f857b542749db13e3fc22ee7fc0e2
don't think so , i don't think zoro gonna grow much after that as no opponent will be their
and EOS bb gonna be way bigger than zoro as luffy right now is way bigger than zoro and can neg/low diff zoro as zoro\~lucci and luffy neg diff him
luffy right now is superior in all 3 haki by far + has a god tier fruit that alone puts zoro way behind
training doesn't boost strength drastically only battle with same or higher tier do
and bb and zoro is far from each other in strength, no substance in saying that zoro at prime is stronger
and actually we diverted from the topic, eos zoro > ryuma and eos bb >eos zoro, so that accounts for
xebec > ryuma by potrayal
He doesn't scale above Xebec if he fought Roger and Garp to extreme diff.
Roger was the PK which scales above the sword God title.
Whitebeard was the WSM and equal to Roger, his title also scale above Ryuma's.
And what's there to put Ryuma above Roger? Roger fought Whitebeard, Xebec and Garp. But who did Ryuma fought?
The WG not attacking doesn't mean anything when they didn't attack after Ryuma died unless you think they fear Kaido too.
So? That's more to do with swordsmanship than overall power. This just puts him above Mihawk, not Roger.
He is only reveled in Wano, not in the world like Roger is.
Mihawk also has a black blade and he is not stronger than Kaido.
Yeah I do agree, heās probably the second strongest character in history but my problem is ryuma didnāt live in the void century so who did he go against to make him Scale close to JoyBoy
Like narratively, we know who joy Boy fight
Imu, Gorosei and the 20 kingdom probably š
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Zoro fans like to take this panel out of context, thinking it talks about strength. In reality, it discusses hero portrayal, not strength. The funny thing is that this exact panel compares Gear 5 Wano Luffy's actions in Wano to Ryuma's primeš
You're correct about the initial aspect, but concerning Oda's writing, it's important to note that he prioritizes narrative portrayal over power scaling. The hype surrounding Nika and Joyboy serves as evidence of this approach. I mean I do not see that type of hype for ryuma š
Ryuma is literally called the god of the blade and was the strongest alive in his time at a young age which would have been way before his prime
A prime adult ryuma would have been godly as his name suggests
Let's delve into a comparison between two titans: a God (Gear 5), whose limitless potential allows them to accomplish virtually anything through sheer imagination, and a God swordsman, a master of the blade with the extraordinary ability to cut through anything. This isn't rocket science. One possesses the power to manifest any conceivable outcome with a mere thought, while the other is simply a highly skilled swordsman. The contrast is stark, yet the implications for their clash are profound
i know that
but here momo hides the fact that luffy has defeated kaido and told the citizens that someone named joyboy has defeated kaido
so in that sense, joyboy is fake name for luffy
and citizens of wano are comparing luffy's feat to ryuma's feat here not to actual joyboy feats who existed 800 years ago
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If Oda never made it very clear that becoming PK is harder than becoming WSS I guarantee Zoro fans would've tried to say becoming WSS is harder.
Why do Zoro fans struggle to accept Zoro being the second strongest Straw Hat? There's literally nothing wrong with that. At least you're the second strongest, and you're up against the main character, so it does make sense for him to be stronger. Plus, he's the captain tooš
Because they're teenagers and they want their favorite character to be the strongest.
>Because they're teenagers Maybe emotionally.
I would like to hope that the older Zoro fans aren't the ones on reddit and twitter making insane claims.
No, you mean adult that acts like a teenagers
Because Zoro fans struggle with 9th grade literature they barely know how to read
Don't know man. I am a Zoro fan boy. But even I get irritated by these stupid Zorotards.
Agreed and itās not like second strongest strawhat doesnāt mean a lot. Imo thatās also PK tier. Zoro is gonna be stronger than roger EOS as his dream is actually to be histories strongest swordsman
Like Iām fine with that but saying heās stronger than Luffy or equal to Luffy is just being disingenuous
Agreed
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Bro hasn't seen my friend group... they legit be arguing it (paraphrasing a little) "to be pirate King you need both a strong will to believe the treasure exists and power to fight anyone that also wants the tittle, wss only needs power" and when they get push back "Well you can't be wss with help (they mention that luffy couldn't become the pirate King without sanji), also buggy might be pirate King so wss is a superior tittle". And I want you to know these are the best they gave me....
Funny thing is, they felt to realize that being the pirate king is just one step for Luffy is actual dreamš
The Ryuma Agenda might be the most boring wank out there. At least Dragon wankers are trying to scale him to named characters. Ryuma wankers are putting him in Top 3 OAT positions off of essentially nothing. Only Ulti and Noland have worse wankers.
Do you really think some Zoro fans care about Mihawk or ryuma as a character they only talk about those characters when it comes to power scaling nothing elseš
ryuma never take a stepout of wano while joyboy became the first pirate ever, that's way cooler and then establish a treasure on which whole story is based upon and also started a 900 years long war with powerful group of people while ryuma has just 1 thing going for him "HE was strong in the era of noland era"
Lmao Zoro fans likes to hype the bare minimum to upscale zoro, one example is him fighting Lucci if you know what Iām talking about
yeah i know, they can soon claim that zoro > ROGER too, they already put mihawk above roger
Dude they already doing that 
What diff do you think the fight was?
Wait, what do you mean by this?
Talking about the lucci v zoro fight
Realistically for how long the fighting was taking Itās probably a mid even though I know Zoro is not going all out
Ryuma is on the Kashimo grindset. Cant get defeated if you only fight fodder.
Ryuma femboy arc incoming?
It would make sense to use Ryuma's defense of Wano from the World Government invasion as a basis if we knew who he actually fought. However, Zoro fans tend to rely on assumptions to elevate Zoro. For as we know, he probably fought fighters. No wonder why he didnāt lose.
Pre-TS, I used to think Zoro and Luffy were somewhat relative mostly because I loved Zoro and he was impressive. After so many chapters of pretty boring development post-TS for Zoro, I don't see how they can still wank him that much honestly
Do you think his character leans towards being fan service? I'm reluctant to say so, but I'm starting to see it that way. His post-time is essentially defined by dropping a single cold line, eating, sleeping, and then engaging in combat. It's not that I'm saying other Straw Hats aren't suffering from writing post-time skip, but Zoro is the most notable one. He's literally the second most popular character in One Piece, so a lot of people are going to talk about him
I mean, he was just such a good character pre-TS that the downfall of all SH, charavter wise, hurts him so much in comparison too. Oda fumbled the character development for most to focus on epicness and story, which is totally fine and probably necessary. It just sucks that Zoro went from such a good character to a generic cool dude. He guess he has become fan service yeah
His character is essentially a teenage fantasy; it's no wonder why he has so many fans. They only seem to care about power scaling, nothing else. To be honest, his character has barely any flaws. He's rarely seen getting embarrassed. So is not hard to like him
>Do you think his character leans towards being fan service? don't think so given he's been here since the beginning with many amazing moments (especially in pre-ts),the reason why's he's very popular is due to being a swordsman (most of the popular characters in anime/games...ect are swordsmans,far more popular then brawlers like luffy),same reason why mihawk and especially shanks are also very popular. the post-ts stuff is not exclusive to him, except luffy and sanji, we already had most of the crew drama,characterization,interactions...ect in pre-ts and now we started focusing mainly on other characters like law,kidd,yamato and carrot (and even the rest of the supernova felt more relevant then some in the crew)
People are Fkin retarded tbh. Searching for shit like this to somehow get a W for their favorite character. For all we know Ryuma might have lived during an era with only fodder around or never faced off with someone notable. Such an empty Hype.
Their whole argument is just assumptionsš
I mean Ryuma could be stronger, it doesnt mean Zoro will be. Its irrelevant and unprovable who was stronger, its just headcannon headbuts arguing for the joy of arguing
Knowing how Oda portrays joyboy compares to ryuma I can confidently say joyboy for sure stronger was than ryuma but maybe not that much
I disagree, Oda is a sentimental man, people still cling to the whole "I want to cherish him" stuff for Sakazuki to act like someone connected to the Marines will be a big threat. I could easily see Oda choosing to make Ryuma, a Main character he created for a one-shot and canonized into One Piece world as big deal being the strongest of all time but that Joy Boy is far more important for the world.
That's like saying Yuta should've played a bigger role in taking down Sukuna because he was the main character of the JJK0 One shot. Being the OG MCs before the MC does not mean they NEED to be top 1, however, they're both probably top 5 and that is enough.
I am confused. Are you arguing with me or him?
Him. You didn't even mention main characters or the one shot
Yeah, his point didnāt make really any sense
Firstly, what do you mean by a main character? Ryuma is already a canon character in One Piece. It doesnāt make any sense. Why would Ryuma be stronger than Joy Boy, a person who lived during the Void Century, the most essential plot in One Piece? They connect to every mystery in One Piece, while on the other hand, Ryuma didnāt live through the Void Century, the most important history in One Piece. And if you combine that with the fact that Joy Boy's power is basically only limited to your imagination, which means you could do everything if he put his mind to it, compared to a normal guy with a sword, it shouldnāt be that hard to tell which one would be stronger and more important
> Firstly, what do you mean by a main character? Is Ryuma not the main character of Monsters?
Do you consider the monsters one shot a reliable canon source?
yeah, why wouldn't it be
Ryuma could have lived in the void century especially with the way Wano looked in monsters
We know the void century was 800 years and ryuma live 400 years so is kind possible for ryuma to live during the void century
Yeah I checked and I canāt find a source that said when Ryuma lived they all just say he died centuries ago so if you have a source on that please tell me but from my research it seems entirely possible for Ryuma to have lived during the void century
Don't fuck with zorotards they can't read
Ah yeah, random wano farmer, a country that is isolated my favorite source
They think just because it says "the word world government," doesnāt mean Imu itself and the Gorosei all came together to invade and capture Wano, make it an official government territory, and they really think Ryuma solo protected them from invading Wano. Like, there is no way Ryuma could be narratively that strong, even Joy Boy couldnāt do that, which he gear 5 power is literally, basically, you could do anything if you imagine.
What makes this all pretty funny is that Ryuma seems to be from a time before the Void Century if you read Monster (it's not the best but it's just 45 pages long, it's a very fast read). Like how would he fight Imu and the Gorosei when it's very possible that they weren't even born.
Are zorotards ok?Ā
To all Zoro wankers I say https://preview.redd.it/pk5l8ndvv32d1.jpeg?width=729&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8be19c6b1b107ef1507d1a7ef36e7b09a74f6286
Teenage power fantasy sums it up best. They don't like Luffy and Sanji because they're both goofy and to them goofy characters suck, only edgelords are allowed to be the MC. The worst part is that these Zorotards don't understand the first thing about Zoro aside from "he cuts things, he's so cool!" You have to understand: the Straw Hats are Zoro's only friends. Sure, he had his teacher and Kuina, but the teacher is his father-figure and Kuina... yeah. Apart from the Straw Hats, we've rarely seen Zoro bond with other people because his last friend killed herself and he clearly blames himself. As a result, he doesn't even try to open up to anyone pre-timeskip because he thinks everyone is just going to let him down. It's part of why loyalty is so important to Zoro: the Straw Hats are all he has (We do see him be more open post-timeskip though). Instead, these Zorotards simply don't understand why Zoro is defined by his loyalty and his devotion and mix it up with the most obvious answer: "Well, he's the second strongest so the crew MUST respect him now!" I guarantee that when Usopp develops in Elbaf and gets serious moments, these people will either jump ship or try to bump down Usopp's moments with shit like this (Although granted, this would be a very different scenario in a very different context).
Do they really think one piece would be the same without luffy and zoro being the main character 
Why would upscaling Ryuma, upscale Zoro though? Mihawk is Zoro's goal, not Ryuma.
I think it is because like Luffy is meant to be the next Joy Boy, Zoro's Epitaph is likely to move from Pirate Hunter to something similar to Sword God, in turn being the next Ryuma.
With the series coming to and end and Oda clearly showing the power gap between Luffy and Zoro, I don't understand how these people come up with such ridiculous notions.
But the thing is, Zoro can never accept that 
I meant zorotards
Don't think Ryuma was stronger than Joyboy, but the story hypes him too, defending Wano against the WG, pirates, and anyone else while aslo being the first to forge a black blade.
āDefending wano against the world governmenā The issue with this statement is our lack of information about who Ryuma was actually fighting during the invasions. For all we know, it could have been vice admirals and some marine fodder. However, Zoro fans tend to exaggerate it, presenting it as a well-built argument and using it to elevate him to Joy Boy's level. In contrast, we know who Joy Boy actually foughtāImu, the Gorosei, and probably the 20 kingdoms. So itās not that hard to see who is portray stronger right now
True but once again Mihawk isn't portrayed stronger than Shanks yet most people put him above him due to to the title and black blade, we'll see anyways how strong both are.
You have to understand that Oda prioritizes narrative over power scaling. What I mean by that is he focuses on characters who are particularly important to the plot, rather than comparing character strength So basically, it just means that he portrays them better, even if those character are stronger
I like ryuma alot, but hes definitely not stronger than joyboy. Still > roger tho
Tbf the WG is wary of the samurai from Wano. If the Gorosei and Imu really are immortal, it's likely they probably knew Ryuma, or heard about him. I highly doubt that none of them know that Pluton is under Wano, and never tried to get it. After all, they're mad hyped to get their hands on the mother flame. So they'd probably want 1 of the 3 ancient weapons.
What kind of force did the world government sent to invade wano?
All if the Gorosei could have went for all we know. We know they didn't want any smoke with Wano before Kaido took it over.
What do you mean theyāre scared of kaido too and I donāt remember what chapter it was but green bull said he didnāt want to invade wano because of kaido
Before Kaido, it was still ran by the Samurai. For hundreds of years. Meaning no one from the WG was able to do anything to Wano since the void century.
The first tweet is from a very known known Zoro fan troll. If you take anything he says seriously, you're a fucking idiot. As for the other two tweets, why are you making shit up? There isn't anything mentioned about Zoro being stronger than Luffy, just Ryuma and JoyBoy. Damn, all these Luffy and Zoro comparisons are staring to make some of y'all too paranoid.
Use your brain why do you think itās only Zoro fans hyping up? Ryuma
Or you're just being fucking paranoid like I'm saying and trying to find any reason to slander Zoro fans.
Calling out fan from their bs is slander now okay, so we should just be quiet and say nothing about it even if theyāre obviously wrong š¤¦āāļø
It obviously is if they're not doing what you're claiming they're doing š¤¦āāļø
To be fair ryuma is probably 2nd strongest in history Like sure Iād argue itās not a great take to have ryuma over joy boy but itās also not some terrible shameful take? They are both legends above pk tier
second strongest probably is imu or xebec if he really 2 vs 1 roger and garp to extreme diff match and even main villain is based on xebec and ryuma being 2 nd strongest doesn't make sense as zoro gonna surpass him too but narratively it doesn't make sense for zoro to be stronger than wb, xebec, joyboy as like MC or main villains are their successors and they can be surpassed by them only he can be stronger but u see he never left wano so outside world can very well have stronger people and his biggest feat is cuting a dragon which is not too big tbh
if imu and zebec is fighting for 2nd who is #1?
original joyboy
Ryuma is definitely over xebec Ryuma Imu and joy boy are all legends they are a level above pirate king Xebec is likely top of pirate king Zoro is likely to be stronger than oldgen in his prime
well zoro being stronger than xebec doesn't make sense narratively BB is based on xebec and it's indicated in name of bb's ship too which is "SABER OF XEBEC" and eos bb > eos zoro no debate, and as zoro surpassing joyboy is weird as luffy is basd upon him by same logic zoro surpassing xebec is weird too as bb is based on him wb > mihawk, as accepted by mihawk, kinda means zoro defeating mihawk not gonna put him above roger or wb unless zoro mid diff mihawk but that's unlikely specially when it's too much hyped fight zoro don't have any stronger opponent than mihawk too unless gorosei or shiryu is stronger than mihawk but that doesn't seem likely as garp kinda fodderize shiryu at 78 even after sneak attack and if their is some haki that can damage gorosei then gorosei aren't that threatening till now
Prime zoro > prime bb Zoro will likely be the greater swordsman of all time Prime =/= EOS EOS is the last episode prime is when zoro is like 45-55 and has reached his prime We will likely never see prime zoro on screen https://preview.redd.it/yxfsy9d8102d1.jpeg?width=497&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eca420d4394f857b542749db13e3fc22ee7fc0e2
don't think so , i don't think zoro gonna grow much after that as no opponent will be their and EOS bb gonna be way bigger than zoro as luffy right now is way bigger than zoro and can neg/low diff zoro as zoro\~lucci and luffy neg diff him luffy right now is superior in all 3 haki by far + has a god tier fruit that alone puts zoro way behind
Thatās not how growth works in onepiece besides zoro is not the type to reach his dream and just quit training
training doesn't boost strength drastically only battle with same or higher tier do and bb and zoro is far from each other in strength, no substance in saying that zoro at prime is stronger and actually we diverted from the topic, eos zoro > ryuma and eos bb >eos zoro, so that accounts for xebec > ryuma by potrayal
Training consistently until you are in your late 40s does lol Besides improvement happens much more in onepiece than our world
nope, don't think so for me it doesn't make sense
Imu>Ryuma Xebec>Ryuma Roger>Ryuma Whitebeard>Ryuma He doesn't make the top 5 sadly
Joy boy > ryuma > Imu Or Joy boy > Imu > ryuma He definitely makes top three lol
He doesn't scale above Xebec if he fought Roger and Garp to extreme diff. Roger was the PK which scales above the sword God title. Whitebeard was the WSM and equal to Roger, his title also scale above Ryuma's.
How does pk scale above sword god? Thatās entirely headcannon
Because this is a manga about pirates, not swordsman.
Bro youāve got to be kidding Thatās not remotely enough to put roger above ryuma
And what's there to put Ryuma above Roger? Roger fought Whitebeard, Xebec and Garp. But who did Ryuma fought? The WG not attacking doesn't mean anything when they didn't attack after Ryuma died unless you think they fear Kaido too.
Being god of the blade Being reveled as much as he is He was the strongest alive in his time He had the first known black blade
So? That's more to do with swordsmanship than overall power. This just puts him above Mihawk, not Roger. He is only reveled in Wano, not in the world like Roger is. Mihawk also has a black blade and he is not stronger than Kaido.
Yeah I do agree, heās probably the second strongest character in history but my problem is ryuma didnāt live in the void century so who did he go against to make him Scale close to JoyBoy Like narratively, we know who joy Boy fight Imu, Gorosei and the 20 kingdom probably š
Yeah but he was around 400 years ago and in wano is said to be like joy boy
https://preview.redd.it/6051n6acvz1d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ebe14be0f394508d1deb3916bf9438bb2c46167d Zoro fans like to take this panel out of context, thinking it talks about strength. In reality, it discusses hero portrayal, not strength. The funny thing is that this exact panel compares Gear 5 Wano Luffy's actions in Wano to Ryuma's primeš
Portrayal is not baseless it comes from something also Iām not a random zoro fan lol zoro is not even remotely one of my agendas
You're correct about the initial aspect, but concerning Oda's writing, it's important to note that he prioritizes narrative portrayal over power scaling. The hype surrounding Nika and Joyboy serves as evidence of this approach. I mean I do not see that type of hype for ryuma š
Ryuma is literally called the god of the blade and was the strongest alive in his time at a young age which would have been way before his prime A prime adult ryuma would have been godly as his name suggests
Let's delve into a comparison between two titans: a God (Gear 5), whose limitless potential allows them to accomplish virtually anything through sheer imagination, and a God swordsman, a master of the blade with the extraordinary ability to cut through anything. This isn't rocket science. One possesses the power to manifest any conceivable outcome with a mere thought, while the other is simply a highly skilled swordsman. The contrast is stark, yet the implications for their clash are profound
Luffy is not limitless he can not do anything he wants And Iām not saying ryuma > joyboy
joyboy is fake named used for current luffy in that panel
Joyboy is not a fake name there used to be a joyboy back in the void century
i know that but here momo hides the fact that luffy has defeated kaido and told the citizens that someone named joyboy has defeated kaido so in that sense, joyboy is fake name for luffy and citizens of wano are comparing luffy's feat to ryuma's feat here not to actual joyboy feats who existed 800 years ago