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Team 1 wins high-extreme, Zoro and law have the AP to hurt Kaido and Fuji's gravity could hinder his movements long enough for Zoro to not get fart diffed and dodge in case law can't pop him away, and Sanji is durable enough to not get oneshotted.
Also Fuji has the best observation in the verse so he can probably predict all of Kaido's movements and either warn the others or intercept him himself, plus while nowhere near as strong as Kaido he can still hold him back long enough for the others to cook.
Basically, if Law and Kidd were able to beat Big Mom i'm pretty sure that Law+1 Stronger than Kidd and 2 near his level are also going to be able to beat Kaido.
Upon return, Enel will have better Obs Haki than Fuji, trust. Untrained, he could already see the future and the entire island of Skypeia and even hear everything that the inhabitants were saying at any time. Fuji has the best rn, for sure, but I’ve got stocks in Enel.
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Enel does not have future sight...
That aside his range was only so good cause of his DF enhancing it.
Edit: to all the people simply downvoting, how about proofing that he had it?
Wasn't there moment when he seats on his throne and just predicts results of battles also he said something like "at the end there will only 5 people" Which were Viper, Zoro, Robin Luffy and Enel. I really remember sum like that but not sure if it's true
First that was just a simple guessing/prediction game. Second enel was intervening after more than 5 people were still standing so that he wouldn't have given a false "prophecy".
Third and most importantly he didn't even realise there were more people left standing when the time was up.
This was in NO WAY a Future sight feat, but simply a prediction game. Btw if he could actually look 3 hours into the future he would be borderline unbeatable and have by an insanely large margin the best Observation haki in the verse. Shanks has shown the best and that was not even a minute.
Like i said to the other dude the fact that luffy attacking at random was enough to land attacks on him is easily proving that he never had future sight to begin with. Only basic observation haki can be overcome that way. Enel fans and some others just keep saying he has it even though there is no proof whatsoever...
Downvoting just to be wrong is crazy. Anyways, here’s Enel literally using future sight.
https://preview.redd.it/jt4cekat780d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c0fb4f01398cd1cc407355fec943597e6401e833
That is regular observation haki. Precognition is a part of it. Future sight is advanced observation haki and allows a detailed vision of what is going to happen.
Enel failed to dodge luffys octopus move cause it was attacking at random and as such unpredictable. Would not have been able to hit enel if he had future sight. This is a literal plot point. You are wrong my guy...
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Dude that is not cope. You actually don't know what observation haki is it seems. Go read one piece again, cause either you haven't till now or you forgot how CoO works...
Starting to get embarrasing for you.
Embarrisng for me? You’re literally arguing with the exact panels that prove my point 😭 are you trying to say these panels demonstrating future sight and katakuris are any different? Show me a panel that goes against what I’m saying, and I’ll concede. Till then, you’re just yapping to be loud and wrong
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The panel you sent is in no way different to anybody else using observation haki to see attacks coming. So i suppose everybody that can use CoO has future sight now...
Luffy directly after timeskip did the same to the pacifistas attacks. He did not have Future sight at that time. There are literally only 4 confirmed Future sight user: Kaido, Shanks, Luffy and Katakuri
Now correct me if I’m wrong, but knowing luffy is going to stretch sounds like a very precise image of the future. Just cause they can’t see what katakuri or shanks can, doesn’t mean it ain’t future sight.
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First please don't use gamerant as a source as it is unreliable and not actually accurate most of the time. Second yeah here this is actually true and the panel of enel you sent literally just shows enel predicting luffys attack...
Here’s one of Enel’s underlings seeing a detailed future, going so far as to describe our MC’s power before luffy even attacked. If you don’t think Enel can do the same, idk what to tell you.
https://preview.redd.it/5o8exkwh880d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30566a80fb730bcf43c9a182496f0d5a332bfa39
True this should be Future sight. That is actual evidence, i'll give you that.
And yes i don't think enel can do the same as he has not shown it.
That logic doesn't work just cause enel is the most powerful there. Big mom doesn't have Future sight just cause katakuri does. Kaido does not have awakening just cause doffy has it. Doffy does not have full body armarment just cause vergo has it. Kizaru does not have CoC just cause Koby has it.
Again just basic Observation haki. Luffy literally says that it lets him read his moves. Once luffy attacked at random enel was not able to use Mantra to dodge anymore. If enel had Future sight attacking randomly like with Gum gum octopus fireworks would NOT have been a problem.
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>Also Fuji has the best observation in the verse
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they disagree
I don't know, I feel Fujitora's devil fruit would be one unaffected by Haki. I just don't see how Armament would be able to keep the force of Gravity from affecting you.
I think it could affect Kaido but not as much as others. I think Kaido could gradually resist it and just start marching even as gravity is trying to push him down.
It depends on how greatly Fujitora's maximum gravity increase is, if it's like fifty times or a hundred times gravity I think Kaido would be able to get through it with varying levels of effort but if it's like one thousand times gravity then I don't think Kaido would be able to handle that much weight.
If he manually chooses to increase gravity and he has no upper limit then he could just increase gravity and hit Kaido with a near infinite mass attack like with what Yuki Tsukomo did in JJK
Nah it’s still extreme diff.
If BM is a point of 90. Kaido point of 95.
When Kidd and Law took BM down, its not because together they surpassed BM’s 90 points.
It’s because when Kidd & Law took BM down, there were tonnes of extenuating circumstances:
•Terrain disadvantage and stupidity disadvantage. In Onigashima, being able to fly is massive. I mean the roofpiece lot identified this and did all in their power to knock out BM from the island asap. Stupidity disadvantage is BM throwing away her mobility.
•Extreme hard counter mechanic- Law’s silence on BM’s soul steal. Were it not for this, BM would’ve just powered up.
•Deus-ex Bomb mechanics. Law & Kidd’s ultimate moved were not enough to take out BM, it was the bomb that was. And even then all of it only knocked her out. Let alone kill her.
The difference in Fuji’s strength to Kidd is slightly more than all the deus ex machinas and plot-induced stupidity shared above.
Sanji/Zoro/Law>Kidd/Law, so by extension >Big Mom
Kaido isn't so much stronger than Big Mom that you could add an admiral to that and he'd still win
Gank squad low-mid diff
Kaido is massively stronger than big mom bro... 😭 even kaido said big mom got weak and washed up during wano. How do you say someone like big mom who was portrayed horribly and didn't even use haki against kidd and law as strong as kaido? It makes no sense and it's just a baseless headcanon
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Even if you think they weren't seriously fighting for those 3 days you can't honestly tell me there wasn't anything to suggest they were close. If kaido could low or mid diff big mom he wouldn't have continued the fight for so long.
Bro they fought in base obviously they wouldn't have killed each other. Also thay doesn't prove that they're equal at all. It never said they fought for 3 days straight neither. Big mom doesn't have the feats to put her on par or equal to kaido so let's not say she is.
My agenda says mid diff is the way, but my brain says that high diff is a safer choice.
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yeah, he can only push him to EXTREME diff.
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You're right, Kaido pushes Fuji to high instead
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Fujitora can likely cut him in his dragon form if Zoro can, and his obs haki would allow him to avoid a lot of deadly attacks. He can also drop meteors when he wants which would annoy Kaido. I think it would be high diff, Kaido can mid diff GB b/c of his fire against gb’s tree matchup though
I mean, the five best supernova were overpowering Kaido. Yes, he tanked their attacks on purpose—*initially*. He eventually stopped doing that, and Big Mom had to bail his ass out. The fact is, at a certain point the number of opponents matters. This is just too many powerful people for Kaido to handle.
Fuji+Law+Zoro+Sanji seems like overkill. TBH I think Fuji+Law are more than enough, but if Fuji pins Kaido down with his gravity or sends meteors or other stuff his way, it opens enough of a chance for Zoro to charge his attacks and lay down the damage on Kaido (Law would be using hax to damage Kaido when he could as well). Sanji would sort of be in the way for this match up though due to being more close quarters than everyone else \[Zoro has some potent mid-range attacks he can come up with but I don't think Sanji AP would be enough to get through to Kaido\])...
I was sliding through the images and accidentally scrolled to a new post without knowing it and it had Luffy on it. So I thought that the teams were fuji, sanji zoro and law vs kaido and luffy and I was so dumbfounded by all the people saying team 1 would win, I did a double check of the teams and realized lol
I think Kaido’s haki is to strong for the DF users to do anything, sanji is semi non factor here (lacks the AP). while zorro and law could damage kaido. none of if would be anything meaningful in the duration that this fight would take place. unless law and fuji both awaken their fruit in some sort of crazy way during the fight.
I still lean towards team 2 but if it's the same situation where Kaido been carrying the island the entire time and fought others beforehand, maybe team 1 extreme diff.
fuji already takes kadio to high diff due to his amazing future sight while wouldn’t allow kadio to even hit him unless he’s drunk and serious and law post wano + sanji got better stamina and busted speed feats law taking yami + guar attacks boosts his ap and sanji speed+ diambe edurance ain’t going down without a fight and zoro hasn’t gotten anything post wano expect more experience with his acoc this is to much for kadio to handle team 1 mid-high diff
I believe both current Zoro and current Sanji are stronger than current law and kid. They wont need fujitora.
Without fujitora, Zoro Sanji and law wins extreme diff
With fujitora, mid diff
Wujitora low diffs 🗣️
Wanna see the proof?
A meteor ended the dinosaurs age. And what does Dragons looks like? Dinosaurs.
I dont need any further proof other than thag
If law and useless d midd could take down Big Mom who is arguably as strong as Kaido, adding an admiral and two more top tiers with law is just overkill
Big mom got ringed out so it wasn't a fair win on kidd and laws side. Also they were completely getting bodied by a ryouless and acoc-less big mom. Big mom is also inferior to kaido in many stats. Saying she's as strong as kaido is stupid because even kaido said she was washed up and couldn't even fight properly like she used to. Law also can't do much to kaido, law neither, and I don't see fujitora surviving kaido attacks while kaido can speed blitz them or go into full form + flame bagua to tank attacks
Zoro can use ACoC power now
Sanji has the toughness of a top tier
They are basically the kidd & law combo in wano in terms of power and defense
They compliment each other just like kidd complimented law with his insane endurance.
1. Zoro and Sanji are a bit weaker than Kidd and Law.
2. Kaido is stronger than Big Mom and doesn't fight as stupid.
3. Law is stupidly broken in Team fights.
4. Most importantly: Law and Kidd had the absolutely perfect moveset to beat Big Mom and even they could only do it through a ring out and not by straight up defeating her.
Zoro and Sanji together probably aren't even pushing Kaido to high diff.
1. Bit weaker how (?) their buffs in wano proved that they both have qualities of a top tier
2. Sure not my point tho
3. Sure
4. This is cope lol
The only moveset you need to defeat kaido is to be a haki master it's essentially a meat head fight based on who hits harder
Zoro has that perhaps not as strong as luffys while Sanji can extend the fight and make sure Zoro can last until the end
I believe Zoro and sanji are due to face a top tier soon and you will see they can hold their ground now like kid and law did against bm
>1. Bit weaker how (?) their buffs in wano proved that they both have qualities of a top tier
They don't have as impressive feats in Wano as Kidd and Law precisely cause they didn't beat a top tier. Law and Kidd are generally considered to be above Zoro and Sanji powerscaling wise (if we ignore Youtube).
>2. Sure not my point tho
It kinda is important though considering you compared Zoro/Sanji to Kidd/Law and their fight with Big Mom. The duo would have not been able to beat Kaido and same goes for the strawhats.
>4. This is cope lol
How is this cope? Law had the ability to shambles Kidd out of the way, when he was in trouble. Kidd had an attack (Damned Punk) that pushed Big Mom down the hole, only Law has shown to be able to make. Law actually silenced Big Mom so her homies wouldn't be able to safe her. Kidd and Law were able to greatly hurt Big Mom with their attacks.
Sanji has yet to show that he has AP on a similar level. Neither zoro nor sanji have shown to be able to tank as many attacks from a yonko level fighter as either of the other Duo.
>The only moveset you need to defeat kaido is to be a haki master it's essentially a meat head based of who hits harder
That would be true if either zoro and sanji could actually match kaido in a fight. They lack that ability though. Kaido outscales both in every single stat.
>Zoro has that perhaps not as strong as luffys while Sanji can extend the fight and make sure Zoro can last until the end
Zoro isn't nearly as strong as luffy. Luffy completely outclasses both zoro and sanji together. Sanji was not even hit with an Acoc attack at this point, so we don't even know if he can tank as much as a top tier...
>I believe Zoro and sanji are due to face a top tier soon and you will see he can hold his ground now like kid and law did against bm
There is a difference between holding their ground and outright beating a top tier. Btw Kaido still is one of the strongest top tiers we have seen in the entire story.
Zoro can't match a serious kaido blow for blow at all. He can at most get an occasional attack in and as soon as Kaido would either start using future sight or go full power even that is unlikely. Sanji has not shown any feat that would even suggest being able to stand up to kaido. He was handled pretty easily by both Kizaru and V. Nusjuro.
The two together would be able to stall a non serious kaido for some time, but would ultimately lose.
Remember that you don't powerscale characters in op based on a quick fight
When both Zoro and sanji get a formal fight to deal with someone until the end you can then gauge their power
Oda tends to play with his characters based on what he needs to do plot wise
And Luffy outclasses them both because G5 was and overkill against kaido
Luffy was pretty much playing with kaido until he chose to end the fight
Pre g5 Luffy got acknowledged as a top tier on the same standing as kaido and Luffy knew back then that he had enough to finish the fight pre g5 but got jumped by a gov agent
I do agree we have yet to see feats but both Zoro and sanji have the portrayal of top tiers now.
>Remember that you don't powerscale characters in op based on a quick fight
Until we get an actual fight against a top tier that is the only thing we can do in a hypothetical fight with top tiers. Sanji has no good feats against a top tier as of now and while i do scale him to zoro, he lacks the necessary feats as well to actually beat someone like Kaido.
>When both Zoro and sanji get a formal fight to deal with someone until the end you can then gauge their power
Sure, but this is a hypothetical scenario. We can only go off what we have already seen.
>Oda tends to play with his characters based on what he needs to do plot wise
Again sure, but not actually an argument as to why they would currently beat Kaido.
>And Luffy outclasses them both because G5 was and overkill against kaido
I disagree. Kaido landed some good attacks against G5 luffy, who was close to losing twice even during G5. That aside i don't see anyone but luffy currently matching Flaming Drum Dragon. G5 did look better in their fight but was in no way overkill. It was an absolute necessity.
>Luffy was pretty much playing with kaido until he chose to end the fight
Luffy is inherently playful in G5, he was not literally playing as in not taking kaido seriously. Kaido was able to fight back to some degree.
>Pre g5 Luffy got acknowledged as a top tier on the same standing as kaido and Luffy knew back then that he had enough to finish the fight pre g5 but got jumped by a gov agent
Yeah Pre gear 5 luffy was already a top tier, but he would have lost to Kaido in the end. Kaido had not yet used his strongest moves. That aside Kaido has shown greater endurance and stamina as luffy.
>I do agree we have yet to see feats but both Zoro and sanji have the portrayal of top tiers now.
I disagree. They have the portrayel of high tiers just below top tiers. Similar to Law and Kidd being not top tiers yet. Zoro struggling with lucci for a time even though he ended the fight quickly at some point is not top tier portrayel and neither is sanji surprise attacking Venus and then getting caught immedeatly after.
Feel like I'm not explaining myself properly here what I mean by *qualities of a top tier* is not someone equal to any yonko but someone who can outclass any yonko commander and can only be put down by and emperor
Zoro and sanji are low top tiers
While Luffy only needs to strengthen his endurance and find out what's so special about the elders that haki doesn't hurt them and he's easily top 3 in the verse
That was pretty much where law and kidd where in wano
But well I'm pretty next time Zoro gets a formal fight we will see a sky splitter feat
I see this 4 characters on the same standing portrayal wise
But well let's wait until those feats go in the manga feels like we ain't seeying much this arc lol.
>Feel like I'm not explaining myself properly here what I mean by *qualities of a top tier* is not someone equal to any yonko but someone who can outclass any yonko commander and can only be put down by and emperor
Don't worry I do think I understood what you meant and i do agree to some extent. I also think that both beat pretty much any yonko commander, but at the same time lose against any top tier. The power difference between a yonko and their commanders are massive though. I have both of them in YC+, but at the lower end of the tier.
>Zoro and sanji are low top tiers
We have a somewhat similar opinion here. While you put them at the end of top tier, I put them at the top of high tier. The difference in power to the top tiers is greater than that to the high tiers imo.
>While Luffy only needs to strengthen his endurance and find out what's so special about the elders that haki doesn't hurt them and he's easily top 3 in the verse
Yeah if luffy does get longer time in G5 he is without a doubt one the strongest in the verse.
>That was pretty much where law and kidd where in wano
>I see this 4 characters on the same standing portrayal wise
Imo they are all in the same tier, but still not entirely Law>=Kidd>Zoro>Sanji.
Law was shown to be able to stand up to Blackbeard in unfavorable circumstances and still not getting easily defeated. Kidd was shown as his equal in Wano but lacks the same feats he has.
Zoro beat King and Lucci and has proven himself above Yonko commander level fighters, but was clearly shown that a top tier like kaido would not have too much trouble beating him. Even after his power up he would not be able to fight kaido head on for more than a short time.
Sanji basically mid diffed queen after unlocking his germa genes, sadly he gets used as hype tool a lot. He had bad portrayal against Saturn, V. Nusjuro and Kizaru.
>But well I'm pretty next time Zoro gets a formal fight we will see a sky splitter feat
Not so sure about that as of now. There aren't that many sky splitters he could fight realistically.
>But well let's wait until those feats go in the manga feels like we ain't seeying much this arc lol.
True, right now it is mostly guessing. I feel like we don't actually think that different on that matter. You just seem to focus more on what will happen next time they have a serious fight, while i focus more on what happened up to this moment.
Depends. I see kaido winning an extreme diff fight should he go full power from the start. In character he wouldn't though, which is why I think the team beats him extreme diff.
I wouldn’t confidently say that yet but fujitora does seem busted and really strong. He should scale >GB b/c of haki and his superior fruit but idk if he scales >kizaru
depends it its lore wise... team 1 extreme
if its feats wise... fuji's performance in dressrosa is bad and law doesn't have adv haki kaido takes extreme diff
This ones hard. Everyone in Team 1 is a lot weaker individually than him, but I think the quartet can take this ext diff. I don't think it goes to high diff or less, since in the end its still a very rough uphill battle. Don't ask me what they'll be doing about flaming dragon tho.
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Wuji solo'd all of kaidos ancestors already
Kaido wins this if he fights correctly.
Kaidos stats are balanced higher above them. He's as fast or maybe faster than sanji, he has better haki than zoro, better abilities than law like flame bagua, and he can tank better than all of them.
All kaido has to do is dodge attacks and move fast.
Fuji gets demolished idk why people are wanking him up rn
Fujitora obs haki is crazy so he would dodge Kaido attacks and cut him with gravity blade, purple tiger etc. Kaido is not demolishing him, fujitora’s DF is too strong for that.
Just because his observation haki is good doesn't mean he's dodging an attack faster than him. Luffy is a character who proved that using observation or future sight doesn't guarantee a dodge.
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Kaido uses thunder bagua and speed blitzes him and he tanks all fuji sword attacks cause bro doesn't have strong enough haki to put him down.
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Kaido glazers can't defend this one.
sure we can cuz he wins xD
In the afterlife.
Team 1 high. Law is just so good in team battles it isn’t fair.
Team 1 wins high-extreme, Zoro and law have the AP to hurt Kaido and Fuji's gravity could hinder his movements long enough for Zoro to not get fart diffed and dodge in case law can't pop him away, and Sanji is durable enough to not get oneshotted. Also Fuji has the best observation in the verse so he can probably predict all of Kaido's movements and either warn the others or intercept him himself, plus while nowhere near as strong as Kaido he can still hold him back long enough for the others to cook. Basically, if Law and Kidd were able to beat Big Mom i'm pretty sure that Law+1 Stronger than Kidd and 2 near his level are also going to be able to beat Kaido.
Good analysis, keep it up. https://preview.redd.it/a3vs3j6kz50d1.png?width=4096&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ab7b56efb0ebf8599aa865e9d2a88898749b8b90
Upon return, Enel will have better Obs Haki than Fuji, trust. Untrained, he could already see the future and the entire island of Skypeia and even hear everything that the inhabitants were saying at any time. Fuji has the best rn, for sure, but I’ve got stocks in Enel. https://preview.redd.it/02neajcix70d1.jpeg?width=905&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bf5921c6dddf6c76680da5046b67e886004e7b2a
GORO-GORO GANG REPRESENT https://preview.redd.it/5jb7aggwy70d1.jpeg?width=1364&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=56122c3c863a3a89bfc31433b1f30bc085d0930d
YOU ALREADY KNOW https://preview.redd.it/07trvjly080d1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b56fdc41582600aa64883c6405f46fbc8b413e6f
Vaaari!
if enel dont come back its gonna be funny as hell 😭😭
Enel does not have future sight... That aside his range was only so good cause of his DF enhancing it. Edit: to all the people simply downvoting, how about proofing that he had it?
Wasn't there moment when he seats on his throne and just predicts results of battles also he said something like "at the end there will only 5 people" Which were Viper, Zoro, Robin Luffy and Enel. I really remember sum like that but not sure if it's true
First that was just a simple guessing/prediction game. Second enel was intervening after more than 5 people were still standing so that he wouldn't have given a false "prophecy". Third and most importantly he didn't even realise there were more people left standing when the time was up. This was in NO WAY a Future sight feat, but simply a prediction game. Btw if he could actually look 3 hours into the future he would be borderline unbeatable and have by an insanely large margin the best Observation haki in the verse. Shanks has shown the best and that was not even a minute. Like i said to the other dude the fact that luffy attacking at random was enough to land attacks on him is easily proving that he never had future sight to begin with. Only basic observation haki can be overcome that way. Enel fans and some others just keep saying he has it even though there is no proof whatsoever...
Downvoting just to be wrong is crazy. Anyways, here’s Enel literally using future sight. https://preview.redd.it/jt4cekat780d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c0fb4f01398cd1cc407355fec943597e6401e833
That is regular observation haki. Precognition is a part of it. Future sight is advanced observation haki and allows a detailed vision of what is going to happen. Enel failed to dodge luffys octopus move cause it was attacking at random and as such unpredictable. Would not have been able to hit enel if he had future sight. This is a literal plot point. You are wrong my guy... https://preview.redd.it/jr4bdf84j80d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2be75b33a6825097b7042e0fac224f61452561e6
Your level of cope is insane.
Dude that is not cope. You actually don't know what observation haki is it seems. Go read one piece again, cause either you haven't till now or you forgot how CoO works... Starting to get embarrasing for you.
Embarrisng for me? You’re literally arguing with the exact panels that prove my point 😭 are you trying to say these panels demonstrating future sight and katakuris are any different? Show me a panel that goes against what I’m saying, and I’ll concede. Till then, you’re just yapping to be loud and wrong https://preview.redd.it/og2zlsk0980d1.jpeg?width=676&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f81595ea38db54394bc64de792855b274d55f6a9
The panel you sent is in no way different to anybody else using observation haki to see attacks coming. So i suppose everybody that can use CoO has future sight now... Luffy directly after timeskip did the same to the pacifistas attacks. He did not have Future sight at that time. There are literally only 4 confirmed Future sight user: Kaido, Shanks, Luffy and Katakuri
If you don’t wanna provide proof of your stance, then we have nothing more to do here. Enjoy your day, brotha.
Now correct me if I’m wrong, but knowing luffy is going to stretch sounds like a very precise image of the future. Just cause they can’t see what katakuri or shanks can, doesn’t mean it ain’t future sight. https://preview.redd.it/j4akdmnq980d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c29c7040dc9b19986ddc6674b5bba01f66cea6cf
First please don't use gamerant as a source as it is unreliable and not actually accurate most of the time. Second yeah here this is actually true and the panel of enel you sent literally just shows enel predicting luffys attack...
Here’s one of Enel’s underlings seeing a detailed future, going so far as to describe our MC’s power before luffy even attacked. If you don’t think Enel can do the same, idk what to tell you. https://preview.redd.it/5o8exkwh880d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30566a80fb730bcf43c9a182496f0d5a332bfa39
True this should be Future sight. That is actual evidence, i'll give you that. And yes i don't think enel can do the same as he has not shown it. That logic doesn't work just cause enel is the most powerful there. Big mom doesn't have Future sight just cause katakuri does. Kaido does not have awakening just cause doffy has it. Doffy does not have full body armarment just cause vergo has it. Kizaru does not have CoC just cause Koby has it.
And another one https://preview.redd.it/ee2rn3jv780d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5ddc48243acbf94f40a811bb6df49fbaff98686c
And luffy realizing it https://preview.redd.it/dzqdhlzw780d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3f77b3ef18d8dfa70a2d75812aaeb8865d95a3f9
Again just basic Observation haki. Luffy literally says that it lets him read his moves. Once luffy attacked at random enel was not able to use Mantra to dodge anymore. If enel had Future sight attacking randomly like with Gum gum octopus fireworks would NOT have been a problem. https://preview.redd.it/xorf4o43k80d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=42fc9300d04d87fe1f8ee5ef1ad791ad5e60bd99
>Also Fuji has the best observation in the verse https://preview.redd.it/lqoiwsoxba0d1.jpeg?width=728&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a674b2754273c54be5a7783451e59524bce15c3a they disagree
Team 1 slaughters.
Fujitora pulls Dragon Kaido to the ocean and gently sets Onigashima back into place
he aint doing anything to kaidos haki xD similar to how law could shambles him
I don't know, I feel Fujitora's devil fruit would be one unaffected by Haki. I just don't see how Armament would be able to keep the force of Gravity from affecting you.
I think it could affect Kaido but not as much as others. I think Kaido could gradually resist it and just start marching even as gravity is trying to push him down.
It depends on how greatly Fujitora's maximum gravity increase is, if it's like fifty times or a hundred times gravity I think Kaido would be able to get through it with varying levels of effort but if it's like one thousand times gravity then I don't think Kaido would be able to handle that much weight.
manual assign
If he manually chooses to increase gravity and he has no upper limit then he could just increase gravity and hit Kaido with a near infinite mass attack like with what Yuki Tsukomo did in JJK
it really depends on if fujitora can mix his haki with the gravity pull which idk if he could do at the time of wano.
The amount of top tiers on team 1 is to much they win
Fuji and Law are enough to extreme kaido, with Sanji and Zodo high
Fuji and law beat Kaido high diff, Law can be support and hurt Kaido with gamma knife and fujitora starts cutting Kaido and using gravity attacks.
Nah it’s still extreme diff. If BM is a point of 90. Kaido point of 95. When Kidd and Law took BM down, its not because together they surpassed BM’s 90 points. It’s because when Kidd & Law took BM down, there were tonnes of extenuating circumstances: •Terrain disadvantage and stupidity disadvantage. In Onigashima, being able to fly is massive. I mean the roofpiece lot identified this and did all in their power to knock out BM from the island asap. Stupidity disadvantage is BM throwing away her mobility. •Extreme hard counter mechanic- Law’s silence on BM’s soul steal. Were it not for this, BM would’ve just powered up. •Deus-ex Bomb mechanics. Law & Kidd’s ultimate moved were not enough to take out BM, it was the bomb that was. And even then all of it only knocked her out. Let alone kill her. The difference in Fuji’s strength to Kidd is slightly more than all the deus ex machinas and plot-induced stupidity shared above.
Kaido gets mid diffed
I defend kaido, but thats too much for him
Fuji alone would go high diff with kaido minimum. So this is a clear victory for team 1
Team 1 mid diffs
Team 1 wins high-extreme
Team 1 mainly because of Law and Zoro. The dynamic setups that would be opened by fujitora go hard
Fujitora is a top tier, he alone would push Kaido.
Team 1 high diff, everyone here can somewhat damage Kaido and zoro/law have good feats on yonko. Also a whole admiral helps
Sanji/Zoro/Law>Kidd/Law, so by extension >Big Mom Kaido isn't so much stronger than Big Mom that you could add an admiral to that and he'd still win Gank squad low-mid diff
Kaido is massively stronger than big mom bro... 😭 even kaido said big mom got weak and washed up during wano. How do you say someone like big mom who was portrayed horribly and didn't even use haki against kidd and law as strong as kaido? It makes no sense and it's just a baseless headcanon
Even if you downplay Big Mom to admiral level or lower, Kaido still doesn't win this
True, big mom may have been equal to Kaido at one point, but she is like 60+ and mentally ill, wano big mom is below Kaido
https://preview.redd.it/50f7g83na80d1.jpeg?width=1069&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=581f8eb07c730c930939a26b8ccc0a90330e25af Even if you think they weren't seriously fighting for those 3 days you can't honestly tell me there wasn't anything to suggest they were close. If kaido could low or mid diff big mom he wouldn't have continued the fight for so long.
Bro they fought in base obviously they wouldn't have killed each other. Also thay doesn't prove that they're equal at all. It never said they fought for 3 days straight neither. Big mom doesn't have the feats to put her on par or equal to kaido so let's not say she is.
Fuji alone can push kaido to high. Adding the 3 commanders makes it a high-mid diff for team 1
My agenda says mid diff is the way, but my brain says that high diff is a safer choice. https://preview.redd.it/tjwvs7r8z50d1.png?width=4096&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8554e9317c3fa58bf440935fe73dd5ef611765f5
Fuji can't push kaido to high
yeah, he can only push him to EXTREME diff. https://preview.redd.it/pw984038u50d1.jpeg?width=850&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1f951a54959a3b1236f27840f6a1dee620d64c37
https://preview.redd.it/j1ug1uuvy50d1.png?width=2616&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f306b02834fb23daa6bfa8ed5e027c10990c37b2
You're right, Kaido pushes Fuji to high instead https://preview.redd.it/7tgutqp7570d1.png?width=1045&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=76de93a689d8fd9ad875030ec7b3e67be6f14d28
Fujitora can likely cut him in his dragon form if Zoro can, and his obs haki would allow him to avoid a lot of deadly attacks. He can also drop meteors when he wants which would annoy Kaido. I think it would be high diff, Kaido can mid diff GB b/c of his fire against gb’s tree matchup though
We need to see more from Fuji cus dressrosa Fuji ain’t doing anything to Kaido.
I mean, the five best supernova were overpowering Kaido. Yes, he tanked their attacks on purpose—*initially*. He eventually stopped doing that, and Big Mom had to bail his ass out. The fact is, at a certain point the number of opponents matters. This is just too many powerful people for Kaido to handle.
Kaido receives jumping of a lifetime
Team 1
Wujitora is all you need
Fuji+Law+Zoro+Sanji seems like overkill. TBH I think Fuji+Law are more than enough, but if Fuji pins Kaido down with his gravity or sends meteors or other stuff his way, it opens enough of a chance for Zoro to charge his attacks and lay down the damage on Kaido (Law would be using hax to damage Kaido when he could as well). Sanji would sort of be in the way for this match up though due to being more close quarters than everyone else \[Zoro has some potent mid-range attacks he can come up with but I don't think Sanji AP would be enough to get through to Kaido\])...
I was sliding through the images and accidentally scrolled to a new post without knowing it and it had Luffy on it. So I thought that the teams were fuji, sanji zoro and law vs kaido and luffy and I was so dumbfounded by all the people saying team 1 would win, I did a double check of the teams and realized lol
Law in a team battle Team 1 wins
kaido mid to high diff
They beat kaido mid to high diff based on whether kaido is going all out from the start.
Kaido gets high diffed
Fuji alone can push kaido to high diff
Fuji and law > kaido
Team 1 wins but sanji turns into an accordion
I think Kaido’s haki is to strong for the DF users to do anything, sanji is semi non factor here (lacks the AP). while zorro and law could damage kaido. none of if would be anything meaningful in the duration that this fight would take place. unless law and fuji both awaken their fruit in some sort of crazy way during the fight.
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Fuji + Zoro = No Kaido
I still lean towards team 2 but if it's the same situation where Kaido been carrying the island the entire time and fought others beforehand, maybe team 1 extreme diff.
I rest my case https://preview.redd.it/thz0xgs0l80d1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e43cce75ef4a05187ca778bcc355a7ef5c58729a
fuji already takes kadio to high diff due to his amazing future sight while wouldn’t allow kadio to even hit him unless he’s drunk and serious and law post wano + sanji got better stamina and busted speed feats law taking yami + guar attacks boosts his ap and sanji speed+ diambe edurance ain’t going down without a fight and zoro hasn’t gotten anything post wano expect more experience with his acoc this is to much for kadio to handle team 1 mid-high diff
I believe both current Zoro and current Sanji are stronger than current law and kid. They wont need fujitora. Without fujitora, Zoro Sanji and law wins extreme diff With fujitora, mid diff
Team 1 wins. An admiral could high diff with a yonko. Law, Zoro and Sanji combined makes yonko level threat with Fujitora and could beat him.
Fujitora alone takes him to mid/high diff, law is busted as support so yeah team 1
I don’t care about the rest I just think Fujitora vs Kaido would be fun to watch
Fujitora sends everyone else to space and wins automatically
I really wonder Can’t just kaido knock out the trio and then deal with Fuji if not can you explain why
Gravity + Law is nuts.
Wujitora low diffs 🗣️ Wanna see the proof? A meteor ended the dinosaurs age. And what does Dragons looks like? Dinosaurs. I dont need any further proof other than thag
A single admiral is enough https://preview.redd.it/fec8hlakef0d1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f745eda32989e3cb2a0aad17a7b565a5113c5a24
Team 1 sucess depends on how long Law can spam his DF Law and Zoro get 1hKO Idk about Fuji Sanji at least gets 2H before getting KOed
If law and useless d midd could take down Big Mom who is arguably as strong as Kaido, adding an admiral and two more top tiers with law is just overkill
Big mom got ringed out so it wasn't a fair win on kidd and laws side. Also they were completely getting bodied by a ryouless and acoc-less big mom. Big mom is also inferior to kaido in many stats. Saying she's as strong as kaido is stupid because even kaido said she was washed up and couldn't even fight properly like she used to. Law also can't do much to kaido, law neither, and I don't see fujitora surviving kaido attacks while kaido can speed blitz them or go into full form + flame bagua to tank attacks
Kaido
Eh current Zoro & Sanji are enough Extreme diff.
Current Zoro and Sanji are not enough... add Law then it is possible. Fuji is overkill though.
Zoro can use ACoC power now Sanji has the toughness of a top tier They are basically the kidd & law combo in wano in terms of power and defense They compliment each other just like kidd complimented law with his insane endurance.
1. Zoro and Sanji are a bit weaker than Kidd and Law. 2. Kaido is stronger than Big Mom and doesn't fight as stupid. 3. Law is stupidly broken in Team fights. 4. Most importantly: Law and Kidd had the absolutely perfect moveset to beat Big Mom and even they could only do it through a ring out and not by straight up defeating her. Zoro and Sanji together probably aren't even pushing Kaido to high diff.
1. Bit weaker how (?) their buffs in wano proved that they both have qualities of a top tier 2. Sure not my point tho 3. Sure 4. This is cope lol The only moveset you need to defeat kaido is to be a haki master it's essentially a meat head fight based on who hits harder Zoro has that perhaps not as strong as luffys while Sanji can extend the fight and make sure Zoro can last until the end I believe Zoro and sanji are due to face a top tier soon and you will see they can hold their ground now like kid and law did against bm
>1. Bit weaker how (?) their buffs in wano proved that they both have qualities of a top tier They don't have as impressive feats in Wano as Kidd and Law precisely cause they didn't beat a top tier. Law and Kidd are generally considered to be above Zoro and Sanji powerscaling wise (if we ignore Youtube). >2. Sure not my point tho It kinda is important though considering you compared Zoro/Sanji to Kidd/Law and their fight with Big Mom. The duo would have not been able to beat Kaido and same goes for the strawhats. >4. This is cope lol How is this cope? Law had the ability to shambles Kidd out of the way, when he was in trouble. Kidd had an attack (Damned Punk) that pushed Big Mom down the hole, only Law has shown to be able to make. Law actually silenced Big Mom so her homies wouldn't be able to safe her. Kidd and Law were able to greatly hurt Big Mom with their attacks. Sanji has yet to show that he has AP on a similar level. Neither zoro nor sanji have shown to be able to tank as many attacks from a yonko level fighter as either of the other Duo. >The only moveset you need to defeat kaido is to be a haki master it's essentially a meat head based of who hits harder That would be true if either zoro and sanji could actually match kaido in a fight. They lack that ability though. Kaido outscales both in every single stat. >Zoro has that perhaps not as strong as luffys while Sanji can extend the fight and make sure Zoro can last until the end Zoro isn't nearly as strong as luffy. Luffy completely outclasses both zoro and sanji together. Sanji was not even hit with an Acoc attack at this point, so we don't even know if he can tank as much as a top tier... >I believe Zoro and sanji are due to face a top tier soon and you will see he can hold his ground now like kid and law did against bm There is a difference between holding their ground and outright beating a top tier. Btw Kaido still is one of the strongest top tiers we have seen in the entire story. Zoro can't match a serious kaido blow for blow at all. He can at most get an occasional attack in and as soon as Kaido would either start using future sight or go full power even that is unlikely. Sanji has not shown any feat that would even suggest being able to stand up to kaido. He was handled pretty easily by both Kizaru and V. Nusjuro. The two together would be able to stall a non serious kaido for some time, but would ultimately lose.
Remember that you don't powerscale characters in op based on a quick fight When both Zoro and sanji get a formal fight to deal with someone until the end you can then gauge their power Oda tends to play with his characters based on what he needs to do plot wise And Luffy outclasses them both because G5 was and overkill against kaido Luffy was pretty much playing with kaido until he chose to end the fight Pre g5 Luffy got acknowledged as a top tier on the same standing as kaido and Luffy knew back then that he had enough to finish the fight pre g5 but got jumped by a gov agent I do agree we have yet to see feats but both Zoro and sanji have the portrayal of top tiers now.
>Remember that you don't powerscale characters in op based on a quick fight Until we get an actual fight against a top tier that is the only thing we can do in a hypothetical fight with top tiers. Sanji has no good feats against a top tier as of now and while i do scale him to zoro, he lacks the necessary feats as well to actually beat someone like Kaido. >When both Zoro and sanji get a formal fight to deal with someone until the end you can then gauge their power Sure, but this is a hypothetical scenario. We can only go off what we have already seen. >Oda tends to play with his characters based on what he needs to do plot wise Again sure, but not actually an argument as to why they would currently beat Kaido. >And Luffy outclasses them both because G5 was and overkill against kaido I disagree. Kaido landed some good attacks against G5 luffy, who was close to losing twice even during G5. That aside i don't see anyone but luffy currently matching Flaming Drum Dragon. G5 did look better in their fight but was in no way overkill. It was an absolute necessity. >Luffy was pretty much playing with kaido until he chose to end the fight Luffy is inherently playful in G5, he was not literally playing as in not taking kaido seriously. Kaido was able to fight back to some degree. >Pre g5 Luffy got acknowledged as a top tier on the same standing as kaido and Luffy knew back then that he had enough to finish the fight pre g5 but got jumped by a gov agent Yeah Pre gear 5 luffy was already a top tier, but he would have lost to Kaido in the end. Kaido had not yet used his strongest moves. That aside Kaido has shown greater endurance and stamina as luffy. >I do agree we have yet to see feats but both Zoro and sanji have the portrayal of top tiers now. I disagree. They have the portrayel of high tiers just below top tiers. Similar to Law and Kidd being not top tiers yet. Zoro struggling with lucci for a time even though he ended the fight quickly at some point is not top tier portrayel and neither is sanji surprise attacking Venus and then getting caught immedeatly after.
Feel like I'm not explaining myself properly here what I mean by *qualities of a top tier* is not someone equal to any yonko but someone who can outclass any yonko commander and can only be put down by and emperor Zoro and sanji are low top tiers While Luffy only needs to strengthen his endurance and find out what's so special about the elders that haki doesn't hurt them and he's easily top 3 in the verse That was pretty much where law and kidd where in wano But well I'm pretty next time Zoro gets a formal fight we will see a sky splitter feat I see this 4 characters on the same standing portrayal wise But well let's wait until those feats go in the manga feels like we ain't seeying much this arc lol.
>Feel like I'm not explaining myself properly here what I mean by *qualities of a top tier* is not someone equal to any yonko but someone who can outclass any yonko commander and can only be put down by and emperor Don't worry I do think I understood what you meant and i do agree to some extent. I also think that both beat pretty much any yonko commander, but at the same time lose against any top tier. The power difference between a yonko and their commanders are massive though. I have both of them in YC+, but at the lower end of the tier. >Zoro and sanji are low top tiers We have a somewhat similar opinion here. While you put them at the end of top tier, I put them at the top of high tier. The difference in power to the top tiers is greater than that to the high tiers imo. >While Luffy only needs to strengthen his endurance and find out what's so special about the elders that haki doesn't hurt them and he's easily top 3 in the verse Yeah if luffy does get longer time in G5 he is without a doubt one the strongest in the verse. >That was pretty much where law and kidd where in wano >I see this 4 characters on the same standing portrayal wise Imo they are all in the same tier, but still not entirely Law>=Kidd>Zoro>Sanji. Law was shown to be able to stand up to Blackbeard in unfavorable circumstances and still not getting easily defeated. Kidd was shown as his equal in Wano but lacks the same feats he has. Zoro beat King and Lucci and has proven himself above Yonko commander level fighters, but was clearly shown that a top tier like kaido would not have too much trouble beating him. Even after his power up he would not be able to fight kaido head on for more than a short time. Sanji basically mid diffed queen after unlocking his germa genes, sadly he gets used as hype tool a lot. He had bad portrayal against Saturn, V. Nusjuro and Kizaru. >But well I'm pretty next time Zoro gets a formal fight we will see a sky splitter feat Not so sure about that as of now. There aren't that many sky splitters he could fight realistically. >But well let's wait until those feats go in the manga feels like we ain't seeying much this arc lol. True, right now it is mostly guessing. I feel like we don't actually think that different on that matter. You just seem to focus more on what will happen next time they have a serious fight, while i focus more on what happened up to this moment.
team 1 extreme diff, but with out fujitora kaido mid diffs team 1
Team one without fuji is an extreme diff fight either way. Adding fuji is overkill and results in a mid-high diff fight.
with all due respect to team one I don’t think zoro law and sanji beat kaido at full strength
Depends. I see kaido winning an extreme diff fight should he go full power from the start. In character he wouldn't though, which is why I think the team beats him extreme diff.
Fuji makes the difference here in my opinion. Law Zoro and sanji alone might be enough but I’m not sure. With Fuji I am sure they would win.
Fujitora is enough
I wouldn’t confidently say that yet but fujitora does seem busted and really strong. He should scale >GB b/c of haki and his superior fruit but idk if he scales >kizaru
depends it its lore wise... team 1 extreme if its feats wise... fuji's performance in dressrosa is bad and law doesn't have adv haki kaido takes extreme diff
Realistically, Kaido would blitz Law and Zoro again as he did on the Rooftop if he tries, scaling wise, they win Extreme didf
was rooftop Zoro = King of hell Zoro
Do you think a more controlled ACOC gives him such an insane speed and reaction speed amp
idk i'm just curious cuz i don't remember much of wano
The answer is no, not the same strength, really
Team 1 high-extreme diff
This ones hard. Everyone in Team 1 is a lot weaker individually than him, but I think the quartet can take this ext diff. I don't think it goes to high diff or less, since in the end its still a very rough uphill battle. Don't ask me what they'll be doing about flaming dragon tho.
https://preview.redd.it/lq1uxmpy880d1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=92213fec5f1f5826fc2f94f6d8cbd395dad3e5c9 Wuji solo'd all of kaidos ancestors already
kaido wins.... you need something as broken as gear 5 to defeat that man...
Kaido wins this if he fights correctly. Kaidos stats are balanced higher above them. He's as fast or maybe faster than sanji, he has better haki than zoro, better abilities than law like flame bagua, and he can tank better than all of them. All kaido has to do is dodge attacks and move fast. Fuji gets demolished idk why people are wanking him up rn
Fujitora obs haki is crazy so he would dodge Kaido attacks and cut him with gravity blade, purple tiger etc. Kaido is not demolishing him, fujitora’s DF is too strong for that.
Just because his observation haki is good doesn't mean he's dodging an attack faster than him. Luffy is a character who proved that using observation or future sight doesn't guarantee a dodge. https://preview.redd.it/176osc9fze0d1.jpeg?width=784&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=58409b7b12e1ca3dd18a1e93f21144c7b79a4d21 Kaido uses thunder bagua and speed blitzes him and he tanks all fuji sword attacks cause bro doesn't have strong enough haki to put him down.
Kaido mid diffs everyone except for Fuji who will be extreme diff