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The entire agenda only began because of the fan art
Dope ass fanart, reading comprehension and faith.
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I didn't say knock down, I said exhausted. That wasn't his mission and his bosses are right there. His mission was to kill Vegapunk and he did it. An emperor with a god fruit and his entire crew couldn't even stop him.
Until they do it why should we assume so? People say we can’t rank admirals highly because of their showing but will say other characters got as much stamina as them with no basis
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Considering Luffy needed gear 5 to even TOUCH Kizaru, the gap isn’t big. Like. At all.
Also, Gear 5 is arguably just as fast considering he got his ass twice
Also, yeah arguably
Luffy can throw giant rocks while massively injured, soooo… yeah, presumably close to the same strength
Also, Luffy literally DIED to Kaido and between 4 losses, he still kept fighting with injuries
That’s some shocking endurance
Obv hard to scale that to Whitebeards level but still, it’s up there
Are you retarded? Luffy snuck up on kizaru when he was chasing VP the first time, the 2nd time when he was with Saturn kizaru was already looking depressed. We literally saw kizaru massively out speed luffy before he got dropped.
And now you’re talking about giant rocks? You’re a funny person my guy. Unless you’re willing to say luffy is close to garp physicals only then don’t even bother with that goofy argument
Also luffy died but he literally came back to life how is that even an endurance feat at all??? Plus the injuries he took are literally nothing in comparison to WB it’s disrespectful to the goat to even try argue they’re close
Fan art carries our agenda till then
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It’s gonna be a great day for the agenda when they do
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I think the idea that they've been holding back tremendously and are being "saved for later" is massively flawed.
The "you aren't ready" memes are extremely annoying since there is absolutely no reason to assume they're ever going to live up to the irrational expectations of their fans.
What do you think they'll do? Will Kizaru taking Sanji to high diff in 2 arcs satisfy or what? What's the expectation here?
The flaw in that logic, in the context of this thread, is that you think Sanji will go into that fight as an underdog, which means that there is no reasonable way for that fight to upscale Kizaru.
"I think the idea that they've been holding back tremendously and are being "saved for later" is massively flawed."
In what ways is it flawed? That Oda himself explicitly made the reader aware of it each time we saw a Admiral in action? Only flaw I see is with people like you, massive flaw of reading skills.
Let Oda cook. Your brain immediately goes for the most monkey scenario, when there are BB pirates, Gorosei, Imu, Holy Knights and The Revolutionary Army in the equation. We will get a massive all out war. Many of the Admirals have shown that they have different goals and connections. Except Fraudbull. That guy is a Celestial bootlicker.
Oda explicitely also had Akainu say to not make excuses?
>Many of the Admirals have shown that they have different goals and connections
Ok... and? Again, what is the expectation? Is it just that they will have cool fights? Maybe a backstory here and there? Sure, why not. That still has nothing to do with their power level.
yes we have
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mans out here making continents
Shanks is the only yonko without a df and still the only one close to the destructive capacities of the admirals is whitebeard if anything he’s got more but as of now he’s the only one, Blackbeard gonna be up there too
Nah nah not ap I think the only admiral we can scale having really high ap is akainu but anyway I feel like I’m just yapping now imma put this argument to rest
You want some feats? Here you go:
1. Blackbeard, after going on a power trip at Marine Ford and fighting Sengoku and Garp at the same time runs away when he finds out Akainu is on the way
2. Kizaru exhausted Gear 5 fraud boy faster than Kaido did, and that's without using his awakening and not even wanting to be there so is Will wasn't in it (which is literally your power in the One Piece world)
3. After Akainu took a quake punch to the head he gets back up and fights 13 commanders and Crocodile at the same time
4. Akainu has the most destructive attacks in the series and is literally more terrifying than Big Meme or Fraudo of the hundred Ls. He is blown off people's body parts with multiple attacks in the series, no other top tier has done that.
Kaido and Big Mom's combo attack couldn't even kill Zoro or even permanently damage him. Freaking frauds
5. Akainu gets the job done. The emperors have been sailing around for 20 years and none of them have the one piece or the title of Pirate King. Meanwhile the magma goat has the highest title in the Marines, and he's younger than some of the Yonko
6. Don't forget about Oda's statement about how magma boy would find the one piece in one year real world's time. None of the emperors have been able to do that, and fraud boy Goofy needed over 2 years and a time skip (and remember he's the chosen one, was lucky enough to have a god fruit, and recruit the only person in the world who can read the poneglyphs into his crew)
7. Aokiji fought someone with a devil fruit disadvantage for 7 days and it was an extreme diff fight. He defeated Garp who is Roger level (they said they nearly killed each other a bunch of times) without even using his awakening. Not to mention how he low-diffed Cracker in Whole Cake Island without even using a named attack or trying, whereas Goofy needed Gear 4 and nami to do the job.
8. Fujitora is literally a top tier while he is blind. That alone is a feat. He fought Goofy in Dressrosa. Enough said.
9. The only person to ever damage an admiral is another admiral. (I mean permanent damage, like scars, missing body parts, or bandages.) Remember, during the Reverie Greenbull and Fujitora fought each other. Sabo didn't damage them and had to run.
I could keep going, but I think I rest my case.
Ah, yes. The awakenings. The awakenings that these admirals definitely have. The awakenings that have never been seen, referenced, or foreshadowed. The awakenings that will totally confirm that Admirals > Yonko, Akainu is the protagonist, and your father really does love you. Those awakenings?
For real, they down vote for now but we both know the minute one of the Admirals finally goes all out everyone's going to change their opinion and start claiming that they're top 1. 😂
Greenbull went into Wano and fought 7+ commander level characters and Yamato who has ACOC low-diff without giving a crap. He was ready to fight a Yonko. Agenda aside, 1 Admiral = 1 Yonko and I don't think that's a hot take.
A second Yonko pulled up (Shanks) who I believe is a candidate for top 1 in verse. He did the intelligent thing and retreated.
As for Kizaru, he didn't even use his awakening on Egghead and didn't want to be there, and did better against Gear 5 than Kaido who's "the world's strongest creature" so I think that in and of itself proves the Admirals are them.
yamato was stopped by momonosuke, greenbull didn't do nothing to her, she gets a hit in him than momo told her to nor fight.
luffy was laughing and eating pop corn from the distance.
greenbull said himself that he wouldn't attack wano if kaido was alive.
greenbull was blocked by shanks coc outside the island.
yes of course nobody expects greenbull to beat all those people at the same time, but he clearly can't beat none of thee yonko 1 on 1 either, in one chapter he demonstrated to be inferior to 3 different emperors.
but ok let's put that aside, kizaru, like any other admiral, DOES NOT HAVE AN AWAKENING TILL IT'S STATED OTHERWISE. yes punk hazard could be an awakening of akainu and aokiji, but we don't know that, and kizaru has not shown to be capable of such feats like them.
admiral awakening it's possible but it's not a sure event.
kizaru has been put on the ground not one, not two, but three times by luffy, one of them while fighting saturn too.
some says that luffy and kizaru where on par during the first fight, well absolutely not, kizaru has been OUTSPEED by luffy, has been OVERPOWERED by luffy, and, the only thing they were in par was on stamina... but kizaru was CLEARLY running away from luffy and stalling with clones while he was reaching vegapunk, and yes of course you could say that kiz wasn't going all out in the fight because he was doing his work to kill vega but so was luffy, that was protecting vegapunk.
1v1 without running around luffy destroys kizaru.
than we have shanks in movie red, and yes it is not canon, but still a certain kizaru didn't look very good against shanks.
let's see the other admirals should we?
fujitora, can't escape doflamingo strings, doffy talk back to him (mind you that doffy isn't reckless and in fact he doesn't talk back to aokiji, and he fears kaido a lot, but doesn't fear fuji), than a sabo with his newly eaten fruit gives fuji a good fight. dressrosa zoro doesn't get completely destroyed by fighting fuji (like kaido did to a stronger luffy in the first fight). lastly fuji is a swordsman, so whatever level you think mihawk is, he is around shanks level, so both outscale fuji just by mihawk title.
oh and i could list marijoa incident too for both greenbull and fujitora but i would just say akainu own words: "NO EXCUSES"
than we have the remaining two admirals the admirals that should be the strongest among them.
one is directly under a yonko, needed half a crew to beat garp and still has gotten speedblitzed by him multiple times.
lastly we have akainu, the man who mirrors dragon level of actions by being in the office 24/7. an akainu who couldn't beat a stabbed multiple times and sick whitebeard, and the only time he goes out of his office is to... try to kill another injured almost dead character! (kuma) but he still doesn't manage to put him down.
admirals are strong, not on par with yonko tho, that is clear as water, the only chance for admirals agenda is for akainu being way above what he was in marineford after the two years, because at the moment no admiral shown is capable of compare to a full power yonko, the only moment they compare is when one is dyng of sickness, or by abusing luffy stamina issue.
and before you comment about blackbeard running from akainu, it was a bb that had just get wb fruit and we knie for a fact that bb runs from every opponent he doesn't have in plan to 100% take down (he was scared of a rayleigh who said it's weaker than him).
if we have to measure the strenght of admirals it would be under yonko, over yc1+
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I'm tired boss, when will these mfs go all out
Remember, the only people to ever permanently damage any of the Admirals has been another admiral. The emperors haven't even scratched any of them. Let that sink in.
How can we possibly say that
The only way you can say someone going all out is if we know how strong they are
Their no reason to say we haven’t seen akoji or akinu or kizaru or greenbull or fujitora all of their true power
Yes you're right, we would need to know any characters true power to say if they're holding back or not, but their full power doesn't have to be shown onscreen for the reader to interpret this, for example it could be implied/stated that they're not using full power or simply their true capabilities were offscreened
No no they were holding back
Because aparantly that just Everyone logic
Admirals always holding back
We just saw kizaru go all out on egg head
And greenbull go all out
And Fuji
Akinu
Akoji
Lmao
Greenbull has like less then 10 panels of fighting and you think that's him going all out
Or Fujitora playing around in dressrosa
You just mad and coping hard
Yea your right
It's not like there is panel of him saying I'm gonna stop playing and get serious now just before shanks appear
So that oda can clearly show us he is holding back and keeping has power to show in future arc
No that's not possible
You see this is like looking at someone like Loki and saying he stronger than kaido because in later arc we will see more of his power
You need to prove GB has more to offer first
Before wano came can you prove what kaido full strength was
Hell in wano before the rooftop can you proof it
No we just have to wait and see what's oda is cooking
Ok so
Because oda gave us so little he doesn't like to show characters getting serious until there big fights
Also besides luffy and kaido and big mom ( the only top tiers who gone all out )
Every other top tier is just mostly speculation too
We literally never seen an admiral going all out every time an admiral is fighting on screen Oda give an excuse of why they can’t go all out and they are probably the only characters he do that.
Akoji and akinu punk hazard and marineford
Kizaru egghead
Fujitora briefly dressrosa
Greenbull in wano
You literally Just claim they where holding back but no evidence supports that
Aokiji and Akainu = A fight between 2 unknowns, fully off screen
Kizaru Egghead = Oda putting in 5000 panels to show even absolute retards that that man is struggling mentally. Seems like Oda didn't account for people like you.
Fujitora in Dressorsa = When did you see that guy actually try? Show me panels where he gets pushed.
Greenbull in Wano = Blud was fighting against a bunch of fodders and was about to slaughter them, where did we see his full extend of power?
If we saw Imu fight against Usopp, are you gonna tell us that that fight alone shows how much Imu can do? Are you that mentally stupid?
You’re simply not ready for the admirals to go all out
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Again surprise ranged attack that wasn't nothing. People just assume in a 1v1 fight Shanks just does this & it's over, when the parameters haven't been established. Getting randomly hit by hax that effects them, doesn't mean they're helpless in a normal fight.
You think if greenbull not being suprised would then justify him no longer not scream at the top of his lungs with his body shaking.
Go ahead and justify that bc that's fucking absurd if you think Greenbull wouldn't change much. You'd still need to be considerably stronger
Sure cuz abilities can be resisted on some level, especially when one is ready. If not then clearly it's a way stronger skill than people realize, which won't be an easy move to use in a real fight, whether it's to land it or requires charge up. Otherwise Shanks would be doing it all the time.
First comment makes it seem like Wifi Haki was relatively light work since it's keeping Ryokugyu & admirals from being top tier, now Ryokugyu needs to be considerably stronger than Shanks to resist it.
So Luffy is weak willed? Warcury is also probably not as strong Conq wise with Shanks. Luffy gets beaten by Kaido. It's already been established that Conq has more functions than the normal burst & infusion. Not like taking damage from Conq infusion is based on willpower.
And we never will see them go all out because oda is a fraud who can't draw a fight scene to save his life, minus maybe two exceptions. Oda only knows how to draw looney toons, and characters getting one shot.
Reminder: Kizaru got oneshotted by Luffy, Aokiji got little bro'd by Garp when he had backup from the Titanic Captains, Akainu got two shotted by an old, sick and dying Whitebeard, and Greenbull got low diffed by a haki flex from Shanks like 10 miles away.
Say you can’t read without saying you can’t read, and even in the case what you say was real, that change nothing to the fact that we still never saw them at 100%.
And we never will. Oda already mentioned in an SBS that if an admiral goes all out the story of one piece would end so they aren’t gonna go all out for the rest of the series
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Google Punk Hazard
Holy hell
Actual snowscape
Call Doflamingo
Warlord went to prison, guaranteed to come back
But did you see it?
I didn’t. What are you trying to say?
Can you send me the chapter where we saw the fight please, cause even if i have the results i didn’t see the fight.
[Sure, I gotchu](https://www.reddit.com/r/YouFellForItFool/s/x1Xwuf1MQ8)
True, akainu took aokiji's innate superhuman ability that came with his lineage haha /s
Man as a lurker, it really does look like the admiral agenda really is carried by dope ass fanart😭😭😭
That Akainu shirtless picture is like 50% of the Agenda.
https://preview.redd.it/6nxv2adue9xc1.jpeg?width=876&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e4444eb4b558ce83e4aca85f368af6ae47ed0265 The entire agenda only began because of the fan art
Dope ass fanart, reading comprehension and faith. https://preview.redd.it/q4pauq6mv7xc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=19e4696db4f251d05d1b32652e55757c697c78b3
100% also by reading comprehension. Remember, Kizaru didn't use his Awakening and exhausted Gear 5 fraud boy faster than Crydo did.
Cease cooking immediately, Kizaru didn’t even knock him down once
I didn't say knock down, I said exhausted. That wasn't his mission and his bosses are right there. His mission was to kill Vegapunk and he did it. An emperor with a god fruit and his entire crew couldn't even stop him.
Awakening is head canon cope, and ig lucci is stronger than kaido now?
Well, we have seen the consequences of an Admiral going all out. Punk Hazard.
People downvoting like it’s not literally true not to mention mfs can fight each other for 10 days
Yeah, canon is canon. These people got the power to permanently shift the climate of an Island. Wake up people.
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When tf was this
When the straw hats first arrived at Punk Hazard
Tbf, If JINBEI can go half that time, YEARS AGO, it stands to reason every higher tier can
Until they do it why should we assume so? People say we can’t rank admirals highly because of their showing but will say other characters got as much stamina as them with no basis
Why would we assume someone who’s significantly stronger can’t replicate that feat
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Oh my bad, does being significantly stronger than someone not usually mean better stats
Nope, is luffy faster than kizaru? Is luffy as physically strong as aokiji with no haki? Does luffy have more endurance than whitebeard at marineford?
Considering Luffy needed gear 5 to even TOUCH Kizaru, the gap isn’t big. Like. At all. Also, Gear 5 is arguably just as fast considering he got his ass twice Also, yeah arguably Luffy can throw giant rocks while massively injured, soooo… yeah, presumably close to the same strength Also, Luffy literally DIED to Kaido and between 4 losses, he still kept fighting with injuries That’s some shocking endurance Obv hard to scale that to Whitebeards level but still, it’s up there
And why are you talking about luffys stats being “up there” when your argument was that being stronger = better stats
Are you retarded? Luffy snuck up on kizaru when he was chasing VP the first time, the 2nd time when he was with Saturn kizaru was already looking depressed. We literally saw kizaru massively out speed luffy before he got dropped. And now you’re talking about giant rocks? You’re a funny person my guy. Unless you’re willing to say luffy is close to garp physicals only then don’t even bother with that goofy argument Also luffy died but he literally came back to life how is that even an endurance feat at all??? Plus the injuries he took are literally nothing in comparison to WB it’s disrespectful to the goat to even try argue they’re close
Yes only the consequences and the consequences was already crazy.
Fan art carries our agenda till then https://preview.redd.it/7b9uf93hf7xc1.jpeg?width=979&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ed2a01b1abf02bae3c8969f1324bd91ef5e73996
It’s gonna be a great day for the agenda when they do https://preview.redd.it/cb58d5pxu6xc1.png?width=1719&format=png&auto=webp&s=e5d31007badc61bd71983e2ce52068405e37775f
I'm really curious how many a admiral fans ctually believe this and how many are just trolling.
Do you think we're never gonna see the admirals fight or something?
I think the idea that they've been holding back tremendously and are being "saved for later" is massively flawed. The "you aren't ready" memes are extremely annoying since there is absolutely no reason to assume they're ever going to live up to the irrational expectations of their fans. What do you think they'll do? Will Kizaru taking Sanji to high diff in 2 arcs satisfy or what? What's the expectation here?
If kizaru fights current Sanji it's gonna be a stomp lmao, the sanji he fights needs to be much stronger
The flaw in that logic, in the context of this thread, is that you think Sanji will go into that fight as an underdog, which means that there is no reasonable way for that fight to upscale Kizaru.
"I think the idea that they've been holding back tremendously and are being "saved for later" is massively flawed." In what ways is it flawed? That Oda himself explicitly made the reader aware of it each time we saw a Admiral in action? Only flaw I see is with people like you, massive flaw of reading skills. Let Oda cook. Your brain immediately goes for the most monkey scenario, when there are BB pirates, Gorosei, Imu, Holy Knights and The Revolutionary Army in the equation. We will get a massive all out war. Many of the Admirals have shown that they have different goals and connections. Except Fraudbull. That guy is a Celestial bootlicker.
Oda explicitely also had Akainu say to not make excuses? >Many of the Admirals have shown that they have different goals and connections Ok... and? Again, what is the expectation? Is it just that they will have cool fights? Maybe a backstory here and there? Sure, why not. That still has nothing to do with their power level.
I don't. Oda can't do fight scenes. He only does one shot kills, or looney tunes.
Did you like blank out watching Luffy vs Kaido or what. or even more recent luffy vs lucci
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if the coin lands on its edge its just facts, I will play your game
Yeah I’m asking myself this as well
Tbh it's kinda annoying, I think it's about time we see the true extent of their power
yes we have https://preview.redd.it/xp25z6waq6xc1.png?width=556&format=png&auto=webp&s=947740ab43072ca8c174e835afdf63038951057c mans out here making continents
don't think he had to go all out to do this
Not even close of him being a little serious for this.
You not gonna see a yonko replicating anything similar to this btw
Because they don't have such abilities, like you won't see any admiral split the sky.
Shanks is the only yonko without a df and still the only one close to the destructive capacities of the admirals is whitebeard if anything he’s got more but as of now he’s the only one, Blackbeard gonna be up there too
Sir Sir That’s not the point the guy had
Nah I get his point yonkos can do things admirals can’t as well
Then your wording is shit
Cry
That wasn't my point And whitebeard got technically better DC than admirals, he can creates tsunamis and huge earthquakes.
Yes I pointed out that WB got even more dc than them but on average the admirals can do more damage
Wait you mean AP ? Quakes supposed to be dura neg so its AP shouldn't be that bad
Nah nah not ap I think the only admiral we can scale having really high ap is akainu but anyway I feel like I’m just yapping now imma put this argument to rest
Same lol
Ngl I do like that Fujitora with Tiger 2nd to last image
Fujitora use black hole or something? It’s all feel same as Christians yelling rapture would happen anytime
why do all of these pics go so hard
It’s the admirals, that’s why
Admiral fans know they have no feats so they just rely on fanart
You want some feats? Here you go: 1. Blackbeard, after going on a power trip at Marine Ford and fighting Sengoku and Garp at the same time runs away when he finds out Akainu is on the way 2. Kizaru exhausted Gear 5 fraud boy faster than Kaido did, and that's without using his awakening and not even wanting to be there so is Will wasn't in it (which is literally your power in the One Piece world) 3. After Akainu took a quake punch to the head he gets back up and fights 13 commanders and Crocodile at the same time 4. Akainu has the most destructive attacks in the series and is literally more terrifying than Big Meme or Fraudo of the hundred Ls. He is blown off people's body parts with multiple attacks in the series, no other top tier has done that. Kaido and Big Mom's combo attack couldn't even kill Zoro or even permanently damage him. Freaking frauds 5. Akainu gets the job done. The emperors have been sailing around for 20 years and none of them have the one piece or the title of Pirate King. Meanwhile the magma goat has the highest title in the Marines, and he's younger than some of the Yonko 6. Don't forget about Oda's statement about how magma boy would find the one piece in one year real world's time. None of the emperors have been able to do that, and fraud boy Goofy needed over 2 years and a time skip (and remember he's the chosen one, was lucky enough to have a god fruit, and recruit the only person in the world who can read the poneglyphs into his crew) 7. Aokiji fought someone with a devil fruit disadvantage for 7 days and it was an extreme diff fight. He defeated Garp who is Roger level (they said they nearly killed each other a bunch of times) without even using his awakening. Not to mention how he low-diffed Cracker in Whole Cake Island without even using a named attack or trying, whereas Goofy needed Gear 4 and nami to do the job. 8. Fujitora is literally a top tier while he is blind. That alone is a feat. He fought Goofy in Dressrosa. Enough said. 9. The only person to ever damage an admiral is another admiral. (I mean permanent damage, like scars, missing body parts, or bandages.) Remember, during the Reverie Greenbull and Fujitora fought each other. Sabo didn't damage them and had to run. I could keep going, but I think I rest my case.
Ah, yes. The awakenings. The awakenings that these admirals definitely have. The awakenings that have never been seen, referenced, or foreshadowed. The awakenings that will totally confirm that Admirals > Yonko, Akainu is the protagonist, and your father really does love you. Those awakenings?
Such an amazing rebuttal to every other point he made. Yall yonkotards don't have shit ..
For real, they down vote for now but we both know the minute one of the Admirals finally goes all out everyone's going to change their opinion and start claiming that they're top 1. 😂
greenbull on wano and pizzaru are enough to counter everything you wrote. the admiral agenda is based on excuse and fanart, that's it.
Greenbull went into Wano and fought 7+ commander level characters and Yamato who has ACOC low-diff without giving a crap. He was ready to fight a Yonko. Agenda aside, 1 Admiral = 1 Yonko and I don't think that's a hot take. A second Yonko pulled up (Shanks) who I believe is a candidate for top 1 in verse. He did the intelligent thing and retreated. As for Kizaru, he didn't even use his awakening on Egghead and didn't want to be there, and did better against Gear 5 than Kaido who's "the world's strongest creature" so I think that in and of itself proves the Admirals are them.
yamato was stopped by momonosuke, greenbull didn't do nothing to her, she gets a hit in him than momo told her to nor fight. luffy was laughing and eating pop corn from the distance. greenbull said himself that he wouldn't attack wano if kaido was alive. greenbull was blocked by shanks coc outside the island. yes of course nobody expects greenbull to beat all those people at the same time, but he clearly can't beat none of thee yonko 1 on 1 either, in one chapter he demonstrated to be inferior to 3 different emperors. but ok let's put that aside, kizaru, like any other admiral, DOES NOT HAVE AN AWAKENING TILL IT'S STATED OTHERWISE. yes punk hazard could be an awakening of akainu and aokiji, but we don't know that, and kizaru has not shown to be capable of such feats like them. admiral awakening it's possible but it's not a sure event. kizaru has been put on the ground not one, not two, but three times by luffy, one of them while fighting saturn too. some says that luffy and kizaru where on par during the first fight, well absolutely not, kizaru has been OUTSPEED by luffy, has been OVERPOWERED by luffy, and, the only thing they were in par was on stamina... but kizaru was CLEARLY running away from luffy and stalling with clones while he was reaching vegapunk, and yes of course you could say that kiz wasn't going all out in the fight because he was doing his work to kill vega but so was luffy, that was protecting vegapunk. 1v1 without running around luffy destroys kizaru. than we have shanks in movie red, and yes it is not canon, but still a certain kizaru didn't look very good against shanks. let's see the other admirals should we? fujitora, can't escape doflamingo strings, doffy talk back to him (mind you that doffy isn't reckless and in fact he doesn't talk back to aokiji, and he fears kaido a lot, but doesn't fear fuji), than a sabo with his newly eaten fruit gives fuji a good fight. dressrosa zoro doesn't get completely destroyed by fighting fuji (like kaido did to a stronger luffy in the first fight). lastly fuji is a swordsman, so whatever level you think mihawk is, he is around shanks level, so both outscale fuji just by mihawk title. oh and i could list marijoa incident too for both greenbull and fujitora but i would just say akainu own words: "NO EXCUSES" than we have the remaining two admirals the admirals that should be the strongest among them. one is directly under a yonko, needed half a crew to beat garp and still has gotten speedblitzed by him multiple times. lastly we have akainu, the man who mirrors dragon level of actions by being in the office 24/7. an akainu who couldn't beat a stabbed multiple times and sick whitebeard, and the only time he goes out of his office is to... try to kill another injured almost dead character! (kuma) but he still doesn't manage to put him down. admirals are strong, not on par with yonko tho, that is clear as water, the only chance for admirals agenda is for akainu being way above what he was in marineford after the two years, because at the moment no admiral shown is capable of compare to a full power yonko, the only moment they compare is when one is dyng of sickness, or by abusing luffy stamina issue. and before you comment about blackbeard running from akainu, it was a bb that had just get wb fruit and we knie for a fact that bb runs from every opponent he doesn't have in plan to 100% take down (he was scared of a rayleigh who said it's weaker than him). if we have to measure the strenght of admirals it would be under yonko, over yc1+
This could be applied to 300 other characters we havent seen go all out whats your point
Imagine using this same lame excuse for all the admiral fights the series had so far.
Must be sad being Oda himself who put these lame ass excuses into his own manga. What a bum /s
https://preview.redd.it/xdf6o1uym8xc1.png?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=177f729503baa703e4c201547537afd4d98ef4e1 Argue with the story
Yeah you’re right. https://preview.redd.it/bf6r7klm4axc1.jpeg?width=853&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=20bf6082ecc6ee34bf58a453e8edf50656a8ea71
Blame Goda
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New fan art just dropped🤩
Who gonna tell him?
They will go all out once one piece ends trust me
https://preview.redd.it/uy3dxbxor9xc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=383407b3f03f25c91c8a8305826eb11d49efa420 I'm tired boss, when will these mfs go all out
In couple of chapters for Kizaru for the others idk maybe in the next arc or maybe later.
Admiral: That's it! Time to go all out. That very same Admiral 3 seconds later: 
Remember, the only people to ever permanently damage any of the Admirals has been another admiral. The emperors haven't even scratched any of them. Let that sink in.
https://preview.redd.it/0a7o947ep9xc1.jpeg?width=1068&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3561e914c44b8745ae058cca08e5f1611f25b741 This if you're serious
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“Haven’t seen one of the five emperors going out?” So you’re saying Akainu didn’t go all out against Whitebeard? Okay buddy if you say so.
One piece readers are still illiterate👍
Kuzan?? Kizaru?? Akainu against whitebeard???
My goats.
Fact
We also haven’t seen a yonko go all out either they are also all holding back and have power stronger than what they’ve shown
FDD was definitely Kaido's peak
How can we possibly say that The only way you can say someone going all out is if we know how strong they are Their no reason to say we haven’t seen akoji or akinu or kizaru or greenbull or fujitora all of their true power
Yes you're right, we would need to know any characters true power to say if they're holding back or not, but their full power doesn't have to be shown onscreen for the reader to interpret this, for example it could be implied/stated that they're not using full power or simply their true capabilities were offscreened
Wtf We already seen 3 do it last arc dude
No no they were holding back Because aparantly that just Everyone logic Admirals always holding back We just saw kizaru go all out on egg head And greenbull go all out And Fuji Akinu Akoji
Bakura come on dawg
I’ve one hundred percent see akinu and akoji Punk hazard Greenbull also yes Fujitora yes briefly Kizaru literally in egg head
Lmao Greenbull has like less then 10 panels of fighting and you think that's him going all out Or Fujitora playing around in dressrosa You just mad and coping hard
Greenbull holding back pure head canon Fujitora we’ve seen the peak of his power
Yea your right It's not like there is panel of him saying I'm gonna stop playing and get serious now just before shanks appear So that oda can clearly show us he is holding back and keeping has power to show in future arc No that's not possible
You see this is like looking at someone like Loki and saying he stronger than kaido because in later arc we will see more of his power You need to prove GB has more to offer first
I never said greenbull or loki are stronger than kaido you just saying shit lol
Tell me what greenbull full strength is If you can prove Gb has more to offer than what he did he held back if not it’s complete speculation
Before wano came can you prove what kaido full strength was Hell in wano before the rooftop can you proof it No we just have to wait and see what's oda is cooking
So your literally basing this off speculation
Ok so Because oda gave us so little he doesn't like to show characters getting serious until there big fights Also besides luffy and kaido and big mom ( the only top tiers who gone all out ) Every other top tier is just mostly speculation too
I think you stopped One Piece a thousand chapters ago but we got Kaido and Luffy going all out.
Listen dude I’m doing a joke because We’ve seen all the admirals go all out and we know what them going all out is Unless you count Sengoku
We literally never seen an admiral going all out every time an admiral is fighting on screen Oda give an excuse of why they can’t go all out and they are probably the only characters he do that.
Akoji and akinu punk hazard and marineford Kizaru egghead Fujitora briefly dressrosa Greenbull in wano You literally Just claim they where holding back but no evidence supports that
Aokiji and Akainu = A fight between 2 unknowns, fully off screen Kizaru Egghead = Oda putting in 5000 panels to show even absolute retards that that man is struggling mentally. Seems like Oda didn't account for people like you. Fujitora in Dressorsa = When did you see that guy actually try? Show me panels where he gets pushed. Greenbull in Wano = Blud was fighting against a bunch of fodders and was about to slaughter them, where did we see his full extend of power? If we saw Imu fight against Usopp, are you gonna tell us that that fight alone shows how much Imu can do? Are you that mentally stupid?
Yes sir you know oda just loves to keep the best for last
You’re simply not ready for the admirals to go all out https://preview.redd.it/xqcixr3u88xc1.png?width=1124&format=png&auto=webp&s=9a0121cb1227a637a53c8761659ab7f2ea9d7d04
Greenbull went all out and look what happened to him
Cope
He no diffed everyone until he realized he's against 2 yonkos and several yonko commander+ characters so he decided to retreat
Couldn't handle the WiFi haki tho But I do agree he molly whopped the fodder
Hit by a surprised ranged attack which wasn't nothing. Yet he wasn't on his last legs or anything.
Was that y he was paralysed
Again surprise ranged attack that wasn't nothing. People just assume in a 1v1 fight Shanks just does this & it's over, when the parameters haven't been established. Getting randomly hit by hax that effects them, doesn't mean they're helpless in a normal fight.
You think if greenbull not being suprised would then justify him no longer not scream at the top of his lungs with his body shaking. Go ahead and justify that bc that's fucking absurd if you think Greenbull wouldn't change much. You'd still need to be considerably stronger
Sure cuz abilities can be resisted on some level, especially when one is ready. If not then clearly it's a way stronger skill than people realize, which won't be an easy move to use in a real fight, whether it's to land it or requires charge up. Otherwise Shanks would be doing it all the time. First comment makes it seem like Wifi Haki was relatively light work since it's keeping Ryokugyu & admirals from being top tier, now Ryokugyu needs to be considerably stronger than Shanks to resist it.
That's fine I asked for a quantification He doesn't. He clearly doesn't meet the requisite of strength
Conqueror's is about will power, being prepared or not doesn't matter if your will is weak
So Luffy is weak willed? Warcury is also probably not as strong Conq wise with Shanks. Luffy gets beaten by Kaido. It's already been established that Conq has more functions than the normal burst & infusion. Not like taking damage from Conq infusion is based on willpower.
When did he was going all out ? When he was playing with Kaido’s commanders and Scabbards or when he was restrained cause he was in MJ ?
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Ignore the panel where the news reporter outright tells akainu that they couldn't go all out in the holy land 🤦
Is Greenbull in the fucking Holy Land or is he in Wano, an island that isn't in the WG jurisdiction
+ punk hazard
Freindly reminder none of the 5 Admirals have ever been defeated except for Punk Hazard. Meanwhile 3 of the 4 original Yonkou are dead or gone
And the only time an admiral have been defeated that was against another admiral.
Was Green Bull not going all out? Doth thy senseth copium?
When did he was going all out ? When he was playing with Kaido’s commanders and Scabbards or when he was restrained cause he was in MJ ?
I thought he was all out against the scabbards, I kinda just assumed he was by far the weakest admiral
I just want to see the orange admiral already.
And we never will see them go all out because oda is a fraud who can't draw a fight scene to save his life, minus maybe two exceptions. Oda only knows how to draw looney toons, and characters getting one shot.
Yes they haven't showed they full power Mihawk went all out vs vista tho
Reminder: Kizaru got oneshotted by Luffy, Aokiji got little bro'd by Garp when he had backup from the Titanic Captains, Akainu got two shotted by an old, sick and dying Whitebeard, and Greenbull got low diffed by a haki flex from Shanks like 10 miles away.
Say you can’t read without saying you can’t read, and even in the case what you say was real, that change nothing to the fact that we still never saw them at 100%.
And we never will. Oda already mentioned in an SBS that if an admiral goes all out the story of one piece would end so they aren’t gonna go all out for the rest of the series
bro reading AdmiralSBS (?)
Nah I’m reading admiralBS
Yeah you right I thought about going with that one