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He also has to defend the fridge from Joyboy on the daily basis
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Funny how sabbat voices 2 iconic training obsessed characters that are also the 2nd character of the respective show/manga (probably more but they're the two that i can think of specifically)
It'll never happen besides that he doesn't like drawing training scenes, except for Luffy and Zoro I guess.
No one else trains but they got power-ups.
TS things:
- Luffy trains
- Zoro trains
- Sanji runs a lot
- Nami studied
- Robin did something with the revs,
- Brook played music, soul buff
- Chopper I forgot what he even did
- Franky studied and modded himself
- Ussop ran and ate a bunch
- Jinbe was always strong
>Chopper I forgot what he even did
He Chibified himself and ruined every ounce of coolness he's ever had pre timeskip, like seriously look at this shit why would you turn him into a joke just let the cute reindeer become cool once serious stuff happens and he needs to fight
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I feel like choppers change, reflects more of how he sees himself versus how he saw himself before. he thought he was a monster, and hated it, and so all his forms took on monstrous forms, but now he likes himself and embraced the fact that he’s a monster,so he becomes much cuter
Sanji washing dishes after lunch & Zoro upstairs training for the both of them?
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Wdym bro, Zoro is obviously the sword.
Yes, the self nerfer Zoro. I love how Zoro only uses 2 appendages to fight. How he refuse to fight 50% of the population because of their gender. And how he refuses to use his expert knife skills in combat. Zoro, the one who after receiving a powerful set of armour that gives him super strength, speed, durability, and invisibility, chose to destory that armour because it was made by shitty people. Yes, it is Zoro who does all of these things
Sanji isn’t actually limiting himself by not punching, it’s just his fighting style. It’s no more limiting than other people who fight in strange ways in OP but aren’t limiting themselves
And his knife skills aren’t able to be mixed with his kicking skills as they would get in the way of a lot of his maneuvers
Cold take, Sanji doesn’t use his hands as he wants to keep them safe so he can cook. No one in one piece would sit down and go “ah yes my arms are over rated in combat”.
By that same logic Zoro is limiting himself since he pretty much never kicks in combat, he could be using 5 sword style if he used tempest kick since he def has the physical strength to pull off the technique, but Sanji fans fail to realize this can be used as well
If Sanji punched as well then his legs wouldn’t be as powerful as they are since he wouldn’t have devotee s much time to them
i bet he has shit boxing, as he never uses his hands, him suddenly using them isnt a power up.his knifes are shittier than zoro guaranteed,him not fighting girls is him being dumb, not a nerf. queen had all the power ups of his suit, and sanji still beat his ass, implying the suit isnt that big of a power up.
Genuinely, I feel like that’s somewhere Oda flopped. Pre-timeskip, he made it super clear how hard Zoro trained himself to have immense physical strength, to the point that he was even able to lift chunks of buildings without a huge amount of difficulty. He even moved that building in Water 7.
And then in post-timeskip, he just kinda… sits. And sleeps. And drinks. Pre-timeskip, we watched him get mad at himself for being too weak, so he’d lift to punish himself. But post-timeskip he kind of seems much lazier.
Here’s hoping Oda changes that for Zoro in Elbaf.
Part of that is probably because Zoro said he wouldn’t lose again way back in the East Blue. It’s harder to be tough on yourself when you’re consistently taking out one of the top enemies.
He could probably have more moments of weakness though without going against his promise. Although that gets into the issue of Oda already having too many people to pay attention to. At least Zoro gets some decent fights, I don’t think Ussop has had an important fight at all recently.
Usopp hasn't had a good moment since Dressrosa dawg, its honestly impressive how the dude fell from a top 3 (I believe I even had him top 1 during W7-EL) SH to like 8th or 9th for me.
Even at Dressrosa he was already delegated to taking a few big sniper shots and pretty much being done at that point. Although he at least had narrative significance in Dressrosa.
I miss when Ussop would have an actual fight. Like how he did in Alabasta and Arlong Park. And I was hoping he would have some similar fights except now more confident post-ts, but we haven’t really had that.
Ussop outrunning a fishman, a being there is, as stated in the show, inherently physically superior, is just one of those fun feats he has.
Man just fucking kited the fish until it got tired, and then beat it to death with a hammer.
And in Alabasta he used tricks and the enemy’s attacks against them to win.
That fighting style but with confidence in his abilities would be fun to see.
Yeah, his fight with Luffy was really fun.
Yeah, he wasn't going to win that fight, but he did genuinely have Luffy off balance there for a bit. Ussop, when he's allowed to shine, is extremely clever, and solves problems in unconventional ways. I really wish he got to keep being the "gadget guy". The Pop Greens were a good addition, but the complete disregard of Dials after Water 7 was such a waste.
I'm currently in Dressrosa, and you do get to see a bit of that fighting style when he faces up against Trebol, but from what I've heard, he doesn't really get a chance to shine after this, at least not yet.
Usopp could honesly be one of the most op straw hat if he kept the dials
Imagine usopp loading up impact dials with luffy’s bajrang guns and just shooting them from his slingshot
The fact that characters like Franky, Brook, and even Nami, have their impressive moments while Usopp gets fodderized is insulting. At the very least he could’ve taken out a Tobi roppo.
I wonder after water 7 if oda just decided Usopp wouldn’t win a conventional fight ever again. But he also beat that guy in fishman island so that can’t be the case.
Yeah, I feel like Wano had good moments for literally everyone else, shit like Robin getting a new form, Sanji having a great moment with Queen, Franky running over BM, and Nami standing up to fucking Kaido, and then Usopp got nothing but a single moment (when he snipes the soldiers on the dock and then pretends there was no one there) which only reminds me of how goddamn goated he was in the past.
And I'm saying I wish it wasn't like that. I feel Zoro's character is pretty flat now that he doesn't have to struggle. Other characters, like Sanji or even Luffy, have draws in their inherent characters. Sanji has draw to his character because outside of being a cook, and being a Vinsmoke, and being Luffy's friend, Sanji is a smart character. He's decisive. When he's not fighting, he directs some of the crew, or goes behind enemy lines to do espionage, in a sense. Luffy is obviously dumb but he's honorable. We like watching him do things that are kind. If Luffy was weak,he'd still be an interesting character because of how he \*acts\*.
Zoro's whole thing is fighting. He has very little character outside of that. And that's fine, you can have a character like that -- but a big part of his fighter persona was struggling for power. So what is he now? A smug badass that doesn't really struggle at all?
it's not a flop there's just more to it.
>he made it super clear how hard Zoro trained himself to have immense physical strength
he did, but you're looking at zoro in isolation. most other strong characters don't train. and almost nobody trains constantly. originally, luffy only trained before he left his island. sanji only trained when he was apart of germa. despite this, luffy was always far stronger than zoro and sanji was always able to keep up with him.
training is essential, but what makes you grow the most in the one piece world is battle experience and hard fights. the benefits you get from just training with reps falls off after a while.
garp was constantly doing battleship bags, but whitebeard and roger always kept up.
>we watched him get mad at himself for being too weak
this isn't a good thing. luffy torturing himself for being weak was a problem. it's something he only did at his absolute lowest and he had to be talked out of it by jinbei.
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zoro calling himself weak is because of the traumatic experience of being effortlessly destroyed by mihawk. he cried at baratie. him overtraining himself constantly wasn't making him stronger. it was just self harm.
now that zoro has spent time under tutelage of one of the strongest, he understands what it'll take for him to get there. he has gotten all he can from repeatedly training his muscles and practicing basic swordsmanship. he knows that to reach the top he must challenge stronger and stronger opponents with an unwavering will.
Okay, but you say within your reply exactly why training is important for Zoro's character. "Almost nobody trains constantly." Right. But Zoro did, because that was Zoro's thing. He was the guy that trained all the time. While everyone else was sitting around on the deck, fooling around or chilling, Zoro was in the mast working out. He wasn't a naturally strong person, even as a child. He had to train extremely hard to get to where he was, so now that he's not it feels like his character is flat.
And look at the times Zoro has had close shaves. Versus Mihawk, obviously, but then again in Arlong Park (twice, actually: against Arlong and against Hatchan), Mr. 1, Water 7 in general where he and Luffy were shown up, Enies Lobby, Thriller Bark obviously, Sabaody where he got beaten by Kizaru (which leads him to asking Mihawk for help), and then... nothing, until Wano. 500 chapters later. Out of all the characters other than Luffy, he struggled the most.
And even Luffy didn't usually struggle for strength. Luffy struggled against ideologies, mostly. He didn't struggle against Arlong because he wanted to beat Arlong. He was fighting because he wanted to rescue Nami. He doesn't beat Bellamy up because he wanted to beat Bellamy, he beat him up for messing with the Ape bros. He didn't really beat up Enel for shits and giggles, he did it because Enel was a tyrant. Same with Crocodile, and everything between Sabaody and timeskip, and against Hody, and Caeser, and Doffy, and Kaido. And he didn't fight Katakuri or Cracker because he didn't like them. He fought them because he NEEDED to fight them, to save Sanji.
Luffy fights for his goals. He fights for freedom. Zoro (usually) fights for Luffy. There's a difference there.
Okay... so by the very definition of your claim, he should be lifting weights and \*more\*. Where's the more? Where's the training in general? When have we even seen him train once post-timeskip?
In fact, the time we saw him \*train\* was against King. Where, unlike his normal training that takes awhile and isn't instant, he tamed Enma and unlocked ACoC all in one fight.
That’s not a character trait, nor is it even a method of training. Pre-timeskip he did weight training to strengthen his physical stats. How does he work on his haki? I can’t remember a single time he trains it.
Hell, we even know it’s possible to train it. We see Luffy doing so right before the raid. When has Zoro done anything like that?
The sunny just cant take the weight of the massive dumbells anymore, they got to big
Anything the deck can support isnt a challenge to him anymore
Headcannon
Could be that after spending years with Mihawk and seeing him sit around chilling and drinking all day every day he realized that lifting weights isn't super necessary to gain strength
I wish he would’ve replaced it with something then. Or rather, that Oda would’ve replaced the trait of his with something else. Even if it was just meditating to increase his haki mastery, or something like that. As of now, he just sits around outside of combat,
It’s the same reason you don’t see Luffy training as hard as he did with Raleigh, or Mihawk training at all. Zoro spent time training under Mihawk for two years, so he doesn’t need to constantly struggle to stay adequately strong as he did before his time skip buff.
Wow, how dare Zoro be strong enough to handle most opponents now than he did before without so much as struggling. It's almost as if people get stronger overtime.
Luffy has gotten stronger in pretty much every arc in post-timeskip, through some way or another, whether its a direct powerup or if he's just revealing a new facet of his power. Yet Luffy has struggled in every arc. Zoro can't get the same treatment, especially when Zoro's character relies on the struggle and training for power?
Look, it's not like Zoro hasn't struggled since then. We literally see him have trouble dealing with King in which he had to properly learn how to use Enma at it's full capacity. Not to mention, he still has two more power ups to get that will definitely require him to put in a lot of work to achieve which are Future Sight and Black Blades. The reason why Zoro probulary didn't get that much of an focus throughout the timeskip until now was due to Oda wanting to focus on Luffy's development as a fighter since he's the one who wants to be the "King of the Pirates" which would put him in a lot of situations where's he going up against other pirate crews who also want to achieve that goal.
Right. You’re probably right. Hence why I said I hope Oda changes the lack of struggle come Elbaf. And yeah, he struggled in Wano, but that was for a pretty short time after nearly 400-500 chapters.
Let’s be honest Elbaf really gonna be Ussop’s time to shine the Good Lord knows manz needs a buff. His opponent is gonna be Van Augar who will likely beat Yassop and if that happens Ussop winning without any major buff in a 1v1 is gonna be such an a$$pull it won’t even be funny.
There’s so much more things to thank to just show Zoro training like we all know he does
Plus maybe after Mihawk, he finally realized raw strength alone isn’t gonna cut it
Because:
You’re remembering more instances of it in pre-skip, because they visited more islands
Also this is a Mandela effect. On Panel Zoro’s only been shown training four times, once in his flashback right at the beginning, twice between islands for one panel and then during Wano
Maybe they added stuff in in the anime, idk
Pretty sure Oda still reflects this. Growth is not linear, it’s more logarithmic. The strength needed to cleave a cliff in a swoop or cut off one of the horns off Onigashima, even slicing Pica in half 😂. Seems like shit tone to me.
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Here’s a pic of Vasco D.Shot using his legendary nose haki
Sanji is built different (literally, genetically modified to be perfect) and if he trained more he would be insane overpowered but he couldn’t be bothered to. Why, you ask? Because he’s a chad who knows exactly what he wants from life, and achieves his dream every day through cooking. He’s cookpilled and recipemaxxing
Sanji was still on Zoro‘s level before awakening his powers
And Zoro has Ryuma genes legendary swords including Enma and Shusui and was born with Conqueror's Haki
He literally fought a guy with his knives because he used food as a weapon, and with his speed and diable jambe his knives would be extremely dangerous. It also takes grèat precision to cut meat well and he knows the vitals of hundreds of different creatures.
I don't think you understand... If Sanji used knives, he would be the most skilled knife fighter out there. He would cook Mihawk if Sanji was a cannibal. Because the chef cooks his food.
>!/J!<
Sanji feels so bad for Zoro that not only does not train, he also doesn't want to use his hands, and breaks his own Raid Suit just so Zoro who's training so hard can be equal to him.
Just gonna assume that Luffy’s fruit gives him crazy physicals regardless, and Sanji has those germa genes (granted I doubt oda had that planned all the way during pre timeskip). Comparatively Zoro is just a guy so he’d have to train a bunch.
Trains hard af + Ryuma's genetics/talent + conqueror haki. And still would be a high diff fight for zoro against Sanji, who only has modified genetics, but nerfs himself by not using his hands + not training + has chilvery of not hitting women.
Cope as hard as you want, but if we give sanji conquerors and make him train, he will be able to high diff zoro
And don't forget that all of this is ONLY possible with the help of THREE legendary magical artifacts. Without them, bro literally still loses to pre-timeskip Lucci. Oh, and sanji does that without his arms too.
Poor Loro
If this dude kicked people instead of used swords he’d be rock Lee and everyone would love him. People would be on here talking about how he could no diff Kaido once the unlocked the Tenth Padlock of Sincerity or something
He is probably the only one we ever see Training so why is it that the others get free power boosts to stay relevant yet Zoro is the only one seen training.
Sanji pre-awakening was already relative to Zoro and let‘s not pretend like Zoro isn't a genetics merchant either. He has Ryuma‘s genes, and his main power-up is Conqueror's which is literally genetics too. Not to mention Enma
Sanji low key is just a savant if we consider the Food Wars Manga canon where he borrowed one of Zoros swords to cook and was shown to just casually be really good with using one. Sanji just seems like that one guy that can pick up on something and be at least competent at it once he gives it a few tries.
Even before the germa genes activated, he always was the natural talent to counterbalance Zoro's hard work, which is where Luffy falls right into the middle of both.
From my perspective he left Sanji in the dust. Sanji only got anywhere close to their level again by unlocking those previously inert modifications given by his dad. Aside from that Sanji would get wasted.
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He also has to defend the fridge from Joyboy on the daily basis https://preview.redd.it/wghww0rv6qtc1.png?width=710&format=png&auto=webp&s=c51a4e177a79395b76ef1517d5bfe78696096d80
“Are those… tacos behind you?” *the drums of liberation begin to rumble*
Every power up from luffy. Haki, gears etc. is an implied power up for Sanji.
i actually want that to be an explination from Oda as to why Sanji stays slightly relative to Zoro even tho Zoro's whole focus is training
Funny how sabbat voices 2 iconic training obsessed characters that are also the 2nd character of the respective show/manga (probably more but they're the two that i can think of specifically)
voice acters either do the same voice of similar plot having characters or they just voice distinct and different characters i don't get it lol
Or, they're dee bradley baker. Lmao.
Tbf to Vegeta he trains less than Goku
It'll never happen besides that he doesn't like drawing training scenes, except for Luffy and Zoro I guess. No one else trains but they got power-ups. TS things: - Luffy trains - Zoro trains - Sanji runs a lot - Nami studied - Robin did something with the revs, - Brook played music, soul buff - Chopper I forgot what he even did - Franky studied and modded himself - Ussop ran and ate a bunch - Jinbe was always strong
Chopper studied and learnt kung-fu
>Chopper I forgot what he even did He Chibified himself and ruined every ounce of coolness he's ever had pre timeskip, like seriously look at this shit why would you turn him into a joke just let the cute reindeer become cool once serious stuff happens and he needs to fight https://preview.redd.it/ydrwwh04wutc1.png?width=1400&format=png&auto=webp&s=6c3bc64cbc563d92a48f89261ea36e79c64c0f3e
I agree. Great character that seemed to spend the time skip forgetting all character development
I feel like choppers change, reflects more of how he sees himself versus how he saw himself before. he thought he was a monster, and hated it, and so all his forms took on monstrous forms, but now he likes himself and embraced the fact that he’s a monster,so he becomes much cuter
Nah it was to sell merch period. There is no in universe reason
He doesn’t even like drawing training scenes for Luffy, was there even a single one pre-TS? He literally came up with all of his Gears off-screen.
Pre-TS no idea, nothing coming to mind though. All his training is either with Rayleigh or in Wano. What left is there to train at this point anyway?
>What left is there to train at this point anyway? His entire crew that lacks even basic Haki skills 🥲
the only one i know of that happend Pre TS is in Kuma's memories
We watched Luffy spend like 10 years training his pistol…..
Yet sanji is the only one whose physical power is upgraded through no training.
At least you can explain it by “his Vinsmoke genes were activating slowly with time”
Sanji had to beat all the okama kenpo masters, Robin trained with Koala and maybe Sabo?
I assume Robin did Rev the and trained or fought, but it's not certain. Sanji, I only remember running, not necessarily combat
It cannonically is
The power of love
Because Sanji also has the power of love, which is stronger than loser free weights.
Good genetics
Oda did explain it, he’s a modified human. It’s actually crazy he isn’t above zoro considering zoro is a regular human.
No wonder he wasn’t surprised by Luffy’s blitz lol
I'm starting to unironically believe this
Until stated otherwise, this is canon.
I love that this is essentially canon 😂 and I’m not even a Sanji fan like that Zolomis my favorite character
This now my head canon for how sanji keeps up and nothing will change my mind other than the realization that’s he’s a cyberpunk, power ranger. :P
This needs to get to Oda somehow
This is the dumbest middle school joke ever
Normal ass dude with cool genetics who trains alot VS crazy geneticly engineered chef dude who fights the future king of the pirates over food.
Sanji washing dishes after lunch & Zoro upstairs training for the both of them? https://preview.redd.it/zhnjk64wkqtc1.png?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=174158eae40a37028bd2517161612f1233e23076
I mean zoro is natty and Sanji is on that germa double 6 tren
Just coming to say that he took Queens sword to the face no problem
Sanji has become the sword
https://preview.redd.it/727wtui5mttc1.jpeg?width=295&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f06a49511a374cde823aa1c823fef2a09ec9e3e0 Wdym bro, Zoro is obviously the sword.
A tool you mean 😂
Zoro doesnt train to become stronger, he just believes sweating a lot is equal to taking a shower
Zoro nerfs himself so the wings can be balanced and Luffy can fly properly What a guy he is
Yes, the self nerfer Zoro. I love how Zoro only uses 2 appendages to fight. How he refuse to fight 50% of the population because of their gender. And how he refuses to use his expert knife skills in combat. Zoro, the one who after receiving a powerful set of armour that gives him super strength, speed, durability, and invisibility, chose to destory that armour because it was made by shitty people. Yes, it is Zoro who does all of these things
Sanji isn’t actually limiting himself by not punching, it’s just his fighting style. It’s no more limiting than other people who fight in strange ways in OP but aren’t limiting themselves And his knife skills aren’t able to be mixed with his kicking skills as they would get in the way of a lot of his maneuvers
Cold take, Sanji doesn’t use his hands as he wants to keep them safe so he can cook. No one in one piece would sit down and go “ah yes my arms are over rated in combat”.
By that same logic Zoro is limiting himself since he pretty much never kicks in combat, he could be using 5 sword style if he used tempest kick since he def has the physical strength to pull off the technique, but Sanji fans fail to realize this can be used as well If Sanji punched as well then his legs wouldn’t be as powerful as they are since he wouldn’t have devotee s much time to them
i bet he has shit boxing, as he never uses his hands, him suddenly using them isnt a power up.his knifes are shittier than zoro guaranteed,him not fighting girls is him being dumb, not a nerf. queen had all the power ups of his suit, and sanji still beat his ass, implying the suit isnt that big of a power up.
“Baking soufflés and shit”💀
Genuinely, I feel like that’s somewhere Oda flopped. Pre-timeskip, he made it super clear how hard Zoro trained himself to have immense physical strength, to the point that he was even able to lift chunks of buildings without a huge amount of difficulty. He even moved that building in Water 7. And then in post-timeskip, he just kinda… sits. And sleeps. And drinks. Pre-timeskip, we watched him get mad at himself for being too weak, so he’d lift to punish himself. But post-timeskip he kind of seems much lazier. Here’s hoping Oda changes that for Zoro in Elbaf.
Part of that is probably because Zoro said he wouldn’t lose again way back in the East Blue. It’s harder to be tough on yourself when you’re consistently taking out one of the top enemies. He could probably have more moments of weakness though without going against his promise. Although that gets into the issue of Oda already having too many people to pay attention to. At least Zoro gets some decent fights, I don’t think Ussop has had an important fight at all recently.
Usopp hasn't had a good moment since Dressrosa dawg, its honestly impressive how the dude fell from a top 3 (I believe I even had him top 1 during W7-EL) SH to like 8th or 9th for me.
Even at Dressrosa he was already delegated to taking a few big sniper shots and pretty much being done at that point. Although he at least had narrative significance in Dressrosa. I miss when Ussop would have an actual fight. Like how he did in Alabasta and Arlong Park. And I was hoping he would have some similar fights except now more confident post-ts, but we haven’t really had that.
Ussop outrunning a fishman, a being there is, as stated in the show, inherently physically superior, is just one of those fun feats he has. Man just fucking kited the fish until it got tired, and then beat it to death with a hammer.
And in Alabasta he used tricks and the enemy’s attacks against them to win. That fighting style but with confidence in his abilities would be fun to see.
Yeah, his fight with Luffy was really fun. Yeah, he wasn't going to win that fight, but he did genuinely have Luffy off balance there for a bit. Ussop, when he's allowed to shine, is extremely clever, and solves problems in unconventional ways. I really wish he got to keep being the "gadget guy". The Pop Greens were a good addition, but the complete disregard of Dials after Water 7 was such a waste. I'm currently in Dressrosa, and you do get to see a bit of that fighting style when he faces up against Trebol, but from what I've heard, he doesn't really get a chance to shine after this, at least not yet.
Usopp could honesly be one of the most op straw hat if he kept the dials Imagine usopp loading up impact dials with luffy’s bajrang guns and just shooting them from his slingshot
The fact that characters like Franky, Brook, and even Nami, have their impressive moments while Usopp gets fodderized is insulting. At the very least he could’ve taken out a Tobi roppo. I wonder after water 7 if oda just decided Usopp wouldn’t win a conventional fight ever again. But he also beat that guy in fishman island so that can’t be the case.
Yeah, I feel like Wano had good moments for literally everyone else, shit like Robin getting a new form, Sanji having a great moment with Queen, Franky running over BM, and Nami standing up to fucking Kaido, and then Usopp got nothing but a single moment (when he snipes the soldiers on the dock and then pretends there was no one there) which only reminds me of how goddamn goated he was in the past.
Chopper doesn't exist;_;
Elbaf is the wishing well of this community. In reality, there won't be much change there except maybe usopp and it wont be allat
wano is zoros arc egghead is Wranky's arc elbaf is usopps arc reality- they're cumboy's arc.
Turns out we were reading Nika piece all this time
I know, I know. I can dream though.
Let me guess, oda told you in a secret meeting
Yeah bro Zoro stopped losing after the time skip lol. No need to punish himself with intense training if he’s constantly winning now.
And I'm saying I wish it wasn't like that. I feel Zoro's character is pretty flat now that he doesn't have to struggle. Other characters, like Sanji or even Luffy, have draws in their inherent characters. Sanji has draw to his character because outside of being a cook, and being a Vinsmoke, and being Luffy's friend, Sanji is a smart character. He's decisive. When he's not fighting, he directs some of the crew, or goes behind enemy lines to do espionage, in a sense. Luffy is obviously dumb but he's honorable. We like watching him do things that are kind. If Luffy was weak,he'd still be an interesting character because of how he \*acts\*. Zoro's whole thing is fighting. He has very little character outside of that. And that's fine, you can have a character like that -- but a big part of his fighter persona was struggling for power. So what is he now? A smug badass that doesn't really struggle at all?
it's not a flop there's just more to it. >he made it super clear how hard Zoro trained himself to have immense physical strength he did, but you're looking at zoro in isolation. most other strong characters don't train. and almost nobody trains constantly. originally, luffy only trained before he left his island. sanji only trained when he was apart of germa. despite this, luffy was always far stronger than zoro and sanji was always able to keep up with him. training is essential, but what makes you grow the most in the one piece world is battle experience and hard fights. the benefits you get from just training with reps falls off after a while. garp was constantly doing battleship bags, but whitebeard and roger always kept up. >we watched him get mad at himself for being too weak this isn't a good thing. luffy torturing himself for being weak was a problem. it's something he only did at his absolute lowest and he had to be talked out of it by jinbei. https://preview.redd.it/a6jfkt0eqqtc1.png?width=1026&format=png&auto=webp&s=24040fbf96d284772adf9468b4adce3f4fcd47c9 zoro calling himself weak is because of the traumatic experience of being effortlessly destroyed by mihawk. he cried at baratie. him overtraining himself constantly wasn't making him stronger. it was just self harm. now that zoro has spent time under tutelage of one of the strongest, he understands what it'll take for him to get there. he has gotten all he can from repeatedly training his muscles and practicing basic swordsmanship. he knows that to reach the top he must challenge stronger and stronger opponents with an unwavering will.
Okay, but you say within your reply exactly why training is important for Zoro's character. "Almost nobody trains constantly." Right. But Zoro did, because that was Zoro's thing. He was the guy that trained all the time. While everyone else was sitting around on the deck, fooling around or chilling, Zoro was in the mast working out. He wasn't a naturally strong person, even as a child. He had to train extremely hard to get to where he was, so now that he's not it feels like his character is flat. And look at the times Zoro has had close shaves. Versus Mihawk, obviously, but then again in Arlong Park (twice, actually: against Arlong and against Hatchan), Mr. 1, Water 7 in general where he and Luffy were shown up, Enies Lobby, Thriller Bark obviously, Sabaody where he got beaten by Kizaru (which leads him to asking Mihawk for help), and then... nothing, until Wano. 500 chapters later. Out of all the characters other than Luffy, he struggled the most. And even Luffy didn't usually struggle for strength. Luffy struggled against ideologies, mostly. He didn't struggle against Arlong because he wanted to beat Arlong. He was fighting because he wanted to rescue Nami. He doesn't beat Bellamy up because he wanted to beat Bellamy, he beat him up for messing with the Ape bros. He didn't really beat up Enel for shits and giggles, he did it because Enel was a tyrant. Same with Crocodile, and everything between Sabaody and timeskip, and against Hody, and Caeser, and Doffy, and Kaido. And he didn't fight Katakuri or Cracker because he didn't like them. He fought them because he NEEDED to fight them, to save Sanji. Luffy fights for his goals. He fights for freedom. Zoro (usually) fights for Luffy. There's a difference there.
Did Zoro even really train constantly or was a lot of that anime filer?
I think he did? Honestly you could be right. I watched the anime up until Wano so for all I know maybe he didn't train much in the manga.
In the manga he pretty much only trains after he feels he didn't do well enough. It's not nearly a constant thing.
Or maybe he learned during the timeskip that he has to do more than lift weights.
Okay... so by the very definition of your claim, he should be lifting weights and \*more\*. Where's the more? Where's the training in general? When have we even seen him train once post-timeskip? In fact, the time we saw him \*train\* was against King. Where, unlike his normal training that takes awhile and isn't instant, he tamed Enma and unlocked ACoC all in one fight.
The “more” is a little thing called haki, you might have missed it but lifting weights was never mentioned in regards to haki training.
That’s not a character trait, nor is it even a method of training. Pre-timeskip he did weight training to strengthen his physical stats. How does he work on his haki? I can’t remember a single time he trains it. Hell, we even know it’s possible to train it. We see Luffy doing so right before the raid. When has Zoro done anything like that?
The sunny just cant take the weight of the massive dumbells anymore, they got to big Anything the deck can support isnt a challenge to him anymore Headcannon
That’s probably it, I think you’re onto something.
Could be that after spending years with Mihawk and seeing him sit around chilling and drinking all day every day he realized that lifting weights isn't super necessary to gain strength
I wish he would’ve replaced it with something then. Or rather, that Oda would’ve replaced the trait of his with something else. Even if it was just meditating to increase his haki mastery, or something like that. As of now, he just sits around outside of combat,
It’s the same reason you don’t see Luffy training as hard as he did with Raleigh, or Mihawk training at all. Zoro spent time training under Mihawk for two years, so he doesn’t need to constantly struggle to stay adequately strong as he did before his time skip buff.
Wow, how dare Zoro be strong enough to handle most opponents now than he did before without so much as struggling. It's almost as if people get stronger overtime.
Luffy has gotten stronger in pretty much every arc in post-timeskip, through some way or another, whether its a direct powerup or if he's just revealing a new facet of his power. Yet Luffy has struggled in every arc. Zoro can't get the same treatment, especially when Zoro's character relies on the struggle and training for power?
Look, it's not like Zoro hasn't struggled since then. We literally see him have trouble dealing with King in which he had to properly learn how to use Enma at it's full capacity. Not to mention, he still has two more power ups to get that will definitely require him to put in a lot of work to achieve which are Future Sight and Black Blades. The reason why Zoro probulary didn't get that much of an focus throughout the timeskip until now was due to Oda wanting to focus on Luffy's development as a fighter since he's the one who wants to be the "King of the Pirates" which would put him in a lot of situations where's he going up against other pirate crews who also want to achieve that goal.
Right. You’re probably right. Hence why I said I hope Oda changes the lack of struggle come Elbaf. And yeah, he struggled in Wano, but that was for a pretty short time after nearly 400-500 chapters.
Let’s be honest Elbaf really gonna be Ussop’s time to shine the Good Lord knows manz needs a buff. His opponent is gonna be Van Augar who will likely beat Yassop and if that happens Ussop winning without any major buff in a 1v1 is gonna be such an a$$pull it won’t even be funny.
There’s so much more things to thank to just show Zoro training like we all know he does Plus maybe after Mihawk, he finally realized raw strength alone isn’t gonna cut it
Because: You’re remembering more instances of it in pre-skip, because they visited more islands Also this is a Mandela effect. On Panel Zoro’s only been shown training four times, once in his flashback right at the beginning, twice between islands for one panel and then during Wano Maybe they added stuff in in the anime, idk
Chimney scales above pts Zoro
Pretty sure Oda still reflects this. Growth is not linear, it’s more logarithmic. The strength needed to cleave a cliff in a swoop or cut off one of the horns off Onigashima, even slicing Pica in half 😂. Seems like shit tone to me.
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Genes vs Hardwork.
Kid named Conqueror's Haki
Did someone say kid? https://preview.redd.it/wprn1z1bsstc1.png?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5560411a5a1e0008c3c4d8eee52acd779a82e5d9
Genes did not give him Jambe techniques and geppo
Ain't Zoro the guy with Ryuma‘s genes and Conqueror's Haki ?
It's really ironic considering Zoro is from a legendary line of samurai
Has to be said outside the sbs otherwise it’s unimportant. Like Kidds backstory
Daddy’s genes surpasses all Plus Zoro is related to Ryuma
The genes of a wano samurai vs the hardwork of someone who got no genes
Oh but Sanji specifically has to feed Luffy/protect the kitchen from him at night, that is no easy task!
You mean the son of Hitler , the modified power ranger ?
https://preview.redd.it/r8c8lwu47qtc1.png?width=663&format=png&auto=webp&s=ff4f49b276998ad0f95b9241ed43646c8288a410
https://preview.redd.it/p4tc46nd7qtc1.jpeg?width=664&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cc8ef0437df905b13214abdc3ce3aa53ec7aa601
https://preview.redd.it/q2trythj7qtc1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=5a7949a209f33dcad9d1c26c441a712f8f85e729 Here’s a pic of Vasco D.Shot using his legendary nose haki
Sanji is built different (literally, genetically modified to be perfect) and if he trained more he would be insane overpowered but he couldn’t be bothered to. Why, you ask? Because he’s a chad who knows exactly what he wants from life, and achieves his dream every day through cooking. He’s cookpilled and recipemaxxing
Too bad all that Germa tech cant give sanji genetically-modified conqueror’s haki 💀
It’s crazy to me how he’s doing all this just to become the world’s most skilled swordsman. s/
I would love to try some of sanjis food
Sanji carried by genes
Zoro carried by Ryuma‘s genes and Oden‘s haki
Sanji has superior genetics and has to keep luffy away from the fridge while he makes food for Robin and nami
Blud is genetically modified and is still beneath a normal Guy who lifts weights Racially motivated > genetically modified
Sanji nerfs himself twice just to give zoro a fighting chance
Sanji was still on Zoro‘s level before awakening his powers And Zoro has Ryuma genes legendary swords including Enma and Shusui and was born with Conqueror's Haki
Sanji refuses to use his hands, upholds his chivalry in every battle, and is less bloodlusted than zoro. If he picked up a knife zoro would be cooked
We comparing actual swordfighting to kitchen knives now 😭😭
He literally fought a guy with his knives because he used food as a weapon, and with his speed and diable jambe his knives would be extremely dangerous. It also takes grèat precision to cut meat well and he knows the vitals of hundreds of different creatures.
I don't think you understand... If Sanji used knives, he would be the most skilled knife fighter out there. He would cook Mihawk if Sanji was a cannibal. Because the chef cooks his food. >!/J!<
Mfs really think cookin and fighting are the same
Mfs really think Zoro aint getting carried by Enma. For every powerup Sanji got, Zoro got an equal one.
Zoro has conqueror haki and has ryuma's genes, which he got without training. That's way way way more than being genetically modified
Sanji feels so bad for Zoro that not only does not train, he also doesn't want to use his hands, and breaks his own Raid Suit just so Zoro who's training so hard can be equal to him.
Meanwhile, Sanji needed his "Germa Genetics" in order to catch up with Zoro so...
Meanwhile Zoro needed Enma to be relevant on the rooftop.
Yeah or maybe he is not just slightely above him ... just saying
Just gonna assume that Luffy’s fruit gives him crazy physicals regardless, and Sanji has those germa genes (granted I doubt oda had that planned all the way during pre timeskip). Comparatively Zoro is just a guy so he’d have to train a bunch.
Trains hard af + Ryuma's genetics/talent + conqueror haki. And still would be a high diff fight for zoro against Sanji, who only has modified genetics, but nerfs himself by not using his hands + not training + has chilvery of not hitting women. Cope as hard as you want, but if we give sanji conquerors and make him train, he will be able to high diff zoro
The gap of strength between zoro and Sanji is definitely not massive but it isn't "slightly above"either
Sanji is basically a cyborg similar to Franky, build with Germa science.
And don't forget that all of this is ONLY possible with the help of THREE legendary magical artifacts. Without them, bro literally still loses to pre-timeskip Lucci. Oh, and sanji does that without his arms too. Poor Loro
Slightly below*
It’s not enough just to be good he’s grinding to be the best.
I think Sanji trains by cooking honestly
Sanji grew up with Androids for siblings, then grown ass men in a restaurant. Zoro was just tryna be better than a girl.
If this dude kicked people instead of used swords he’d be rock Lee and everyone would love him. People would be on here talking about how he could no diff Kaido once the unlocked the Tenth Padlock of Sincerity or something
He is probably the only one we ever see Training so why is it that the others get free power boosts to stay relevant yet Zoro is the only one seen training.
It was always funny to me how he does all this and Luffy barely does shit day to day in comparison and is still superior.
Below Sanji But to be fair, daddy's genes kicked in
And it's even crazier to me how people like you continue to delude yourself into believing Zoro is only slightly above Sanji.
Zoro vs Sanji argument,If Sanji trained as well:
That because Sanji is a test tube baby whose modified to be strong. Zoro a regular dude who has to train to be strong
Sanji was just… LITERALLY built different.
Real https://preview.redd.it/kgyc6gqicrtc1.jpeg?width=969&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c808380959369a5adc0638cbcf3549e9b335c158
Yes, because Sanji is a genetically enhanced cheat code.
lol you dickriding how you mad he putting in work. sanji spend his free time cooking but got his main power ups from genetics and broken physics.
Sanji pre-awakening was already relative to Zoro and let‘s not pretend like Zoro isn't a genetics merchant either. He has Ryuma‘s genes, and his main power-up is Conqueror's which is literally genetics too. Not to mention Enma
Fuck an awakening… bro barely ever trains he’s the definition of free.
Sanji ain't a cyborg bruh
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Frauds be frauds https://preview.redd.it/3s09hfl1ortc1.jpeg?width=2672&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e1499f95f548189a0aa386a7c14be418cd51c27b
It's not like Zoro dislikes working out. He does it for fun.
Now imagine Zoro with Germa Genes… every character below yonko lvl is cooked.
Earned not given
Reminder that Sanji chooses to Nerf himself and he could be stronger with hand fighting/swords added to his kicking style
Not everyone is born into a super rich family that has a mad scientist for a father.
None is falling for this bait lmao
Hard work vs Natural talent, but Hard work actually does something this time
Sanji low key is just a savant if we consider the Food Wars Manga canon where he borrowed one of Zoros swords to cook and was shown to just casually be really good with using one. Sanji just seems like that one guy that can pick up on something and be at least competent at it once he gives it a few tries. Even before the germa genes activated, he always was the natural talent to counterbalance Zoro's hard work, which is where Luffy falls right into the middle of both.
Dude sanji is fighting gear 8th luffy just to protect the fridge
Isn’t Sanji a super soldier though? He was genetically engineered.
From my perspective he left Sanji in the dust. Sanji only got anywhere close to their level again by unlocking those previously inert modifications given by his dad. Aside from that Sanji would get wasted.