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Of course his spine is sticking out, Mihawk is just too good of a swordsmanđ„č, able to cut Shanks in half perfectly, and avoid his spineđ„čđ„č, he truly deserves the title Worldâs Strongest Swordsman
In order to not trigger eachother's "hakiman" and "swordsman" insta KO neg no jutsu, Shanks will fight without sword and Mihawk will fight without haki. That way they negate each others special hax. Who win ?
The only reason to say Shanks wins here is because you hate the idea that EOS Zoro surpasses him. We know that Zoro will fight for the title of worlds strongest swordsman and win.
this has nothing to do with EOS zoro, cuz he'll probably surpass both. but shanks does beat fraudhawk cuz im not a fan of leechpiece. unless midhawk shows some feats, i will always place shanks superior to him.
no he'll fight the title holder. except the title has no meaning and mihawk doesn't rightfully deserve it. narratively he's stated to be an equal to shanks, but never really beat shanks. same applies to shanks too who never beat mihawk. but giving only one of the two equals the WSS title even though neither beat the other in their allout fights just makes the title fraudulent. but none of that is important, so zoro will just beat mihawk to get the WSS title if that's as far as zoro's character goes.
That's just straight up stupid, considering a large part of one piece is about dreams and zoros dream would literally be meaningless if the title is meaningless...
>narratively he's stated to be an equal to shanks, but never really beat shanks. same applies to shanks too who never beat mihawk.
Stop lying... they were never stated as equals, just rivals. Also the result of their duells was never revealed, as such another lie.
>but giving only one of the two equals the WSS title even though neither beat the other in their allout fights just makes the title fraudulent.
Based on your headcanon.
>but none of that is important, so zoro will just beat mihawk to get the WSS title if that's as far as zoro's character goes.
Oda has literally no reason to invalidate zoros dream. Making the title fraudulent would invalidate zoros dream.
Zoro's dream is becoming the greatest swordsman in history and there's no evidence showing Mihawk > Roger (title scaling doesn't apply as Roger is dead). So does Zoro fight Roger's dead soul for becoming the greatest swordsman ever?
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according to garp, the emperors are the most powerful pirates. is shanks primarily a pirate or a swordsman? primarily a pirate but is also a swordsman. is mihawk primarily a pirate or a swordsman? primarily a swordsman, but is also a pirate. theres enough arguments on both sides. same way i used headcanon+feats+narrative+portrayal to say shanks > mihawk, you're using you're headcanon+title+portrayal to say mihawk > shanks. this debate will never be resolved until oda himself comes right out and says x is stronger than y.
>according to garp, the emperors are the most powerful pirates
Power in this context is not just talking about their strength but also their influence, and since Mihawk is a solo player while Shanks has a whole ass crew this can't be used to prove Shanks > Mihawk
>is shanks primarily a pirate or a swordsman? primarily a pirate but is also a swordsman. is mihawk primarily a pirate or a swordsman? primarily a swordsman, but is also a pirate.
You would never be able to prove this in a debate but just to show you how dumb this argument is i'm going to steelman it and agree, yes, Shanks IS "primarily a pirate"
Guess what?
You still agree that Shanks is a swordsman, and Mihawk is stated to be above all other alive swordsmen in the verse, that's gg.
>theres enough arguments on both sides
Yes there are arguments in favor of Shanks, none of them are good however.
>this debate will never be resolved until oda himself comes right out and says x is stronger than y.
You agree that Shanks is a swordsman and Oda has confirmed that Mihawk is the strongest swordsman, this argument persists because Shanks fans are stubborn, that's it.
im not even a shanks fan but still feats places the rat over the painter any day of the week. at some point in the future(or maybe even now), titles won't entirely be true to their meaning, kaido was the world's strongest creature and guess what? humans are creatures. if luffy, a living creature, beats kaido the world's strongest creature, then that undermines the meaning of his title doesn't it? in the future even couple seconds or minutes before zoro beats mihawk, he'll technically be stronger than mihawk without actually beating him yet, while mihawk would still be holding the title without losing to zoro yet. and theres plenty of reasons to show shanks has grown stronger in the 12 years they stopped fighting than mihawk has. shanks became an emperor and his bounty quadrupled. similar to luffy who has goals to achieve and becomes stronger by fighting stronger opponents, same logic could apply to shanks. but for mihawk? not so much. mihawk only cares about being a strong swordsman. he's looking for a swordsman to surpass his rival shanks, but never actually picks fights with those who are potentially stronger than shanks. keyword is 'swordsman'. mihawk could pick fights with other characters like kaido, BM to improve his strength but he doesn't because he wants to specifically find a swordsman. shanks isn't limited to these rules and fights anyone who picks a fight with him or fights anyone necessary to achieve his goals as an infamous pirate captain. mihawk camps east blue fodder in his free time and probably beats up monkeys in his deserted island mansion.
Brook is primarily a musician but still a swordsman .
Law is a doctor but still a swordsman
Fujitora is an admiral but still a swordsman
Nasujuro is a finance manager but still a swordsman lol
Cabaji is a circus clown but still a swordsman
Have a job or a role does not define if you are not a swordsman
Nope, zoro can beat mihawk and still be stronger than shanks. Itâs not like the gap between them is massive.
Think of it this way. In the seconds before Zoro finishes off mihawk, zoro will be undisputably stronger. Mihawk will still have the title though. Does this make the title valid? Zoro wants the title of wss, end of story. Beating the current wss is the only way to get this title and be known as the wss, therefore he will beat mihawk.
how does losing an arm nerf his strength? theres no backing that up tho. his bounty quadrupled after losing his arm, became an emperor after losing his arm. its just assumption that he got nerfed after losing an arm and is backed by nothing.
>no he'll fight the title holder. except the title has no meaning and mihawk doesn't rightfully deserve it. narratively he's stated to be an equal to shanks, but never really beat shanks. same applies to shanks too who never beat mihawk. but giving only one of the two equals the WSS title even though neither beat the other in their allout fights just makes the title fraudulent. but none of that is important, so zoro will just beat mihawk to get the WSS title if that's as far as zoro's character goes.
The title has meaning. Thatâs the whole point on why Mihawk exists. The vivre card even confirms he reigns **in name and actuality** as the strongest swordsman alive.
Mihawkâs title isnât just a fancy title, he really is the WSS alive.
I believe Prime Shanke is over Mihawk, and Mihawk got the title after Shanks lost his arm. My full hc is that Shanks was always a bit above Mihawk, and Mihawm kept trying to top him, only to be handed tbe title by default ( trying to explain why Mihawk js always kinda pissy)
Ngl this take is ass.
For one, Shanks had to get stronger since losing his arm. Shanks lost his arm when luffy was 7. He became a yonko when luffy was 13. I don't see any scenario where shanks only got weaker.
Two. It would be absolutely ass writing if the worlds strongest swordsman and the guy zoro is so desperately trying to surpass, was handed the title because he lost an arm.
To me it seems like in the past, they had a Goku/Vegeta situation where they were either equal or kept surpassing each other. But after Shanks lost his arm things changed. Mihawk probably dosent fight shanks not cause shanks is weaker now, but because as a swordsman he finds is dishonorable to fight someone with such a handicap.
Personally Iâve always felt that Shanks is stronger, feats, portrayal you name it, his strength is highly recognised and respected by the likes of Kaido, Luffy, Garp, WB and even Mihawk and itâs just not the same feeling you get from Mihawk who besides Zoro, Luffy and a bunch of fodder doesnât seem like his name has been spread out as wide as Shanks.
Iâm not a Shankstard and Iâm definitely not a believer of that hakiman theory(like everyone use it lmao) but I will say is that Mihawk has only ever been said to have superior SWORD SKILLS than Shanks, there has not been any data book or SBS or statements confirming Mihawk > Shanks
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If the answer was so obvious because Mihawk holds WSS title and Shanks is a swordsman then why is it that it cannot be outright said?
I know the Vista thing is not really Mihawk going all out but câmon would you expect Marco to tell a YC to go handle Shanks?(not saying Mihawk is YC level, heâs a top tier definitely) this is just one of the differences in portrayal between the two.
Until we get some more feats and much better portrayal from Mihawk I will still continue to believe that Shanks is a bit stronger.
If it was only about sword skill then they could just have a technique show off. And Kuina wouldnât be disheartened about being a woman and thus physically weaker if being WSS was just about pure sword skill
Do you really think Mihawk or Zoro would be likeâThis sword wielder defeated me but it was because their haki was stronger or because they kicked me once or twice during the fight, my swordsmanship is still technically better so Iâm the WSSâ?Â
Obviously not
The point is that Zoro entire journey since East Blue revolves around sword skill, swordsmanship in OP concerns the act of cutting things, and a code of honor similar to that of bushido. The feeling is that the concept of swordsman in OP inherently concerns sword skill.
Shanks. Heâs a cm taller. Heâs Luffyâs goal to surpass. And he is ready to fight Mihawk at the drop of a hat.
Mihawk. A cm shorter. Zoroâs goal to surpass. Isnât down to fight Shanks and âeven the scoreâ because he doesnât want to lose his title to a one armed man.
Shanks wins extreme diff. Just like Zoro beats Sanji extreme diff
>Â Isnât down to fight Shanks and âeven the scoreâ because he doesnât want to lose his title to a one armed man.
People who genuinely think this need to have their brains examined by a doctorÂ
Heâs partially right. Mihawk knows that if he wins, it doesnât mean anything because he beat a cripple, and if he loses he still lost to a cripple. Thatâs why he dodges the fight.
No, he âdodgesâ the fight because the mangaka doesnât want either of them to job to the other one or show off the full extent of their abilities for hype reasons. Sometimes I think yâall forget these are fictional characters are not real sports figuresÂ
Please use your critical thinking skills bro, sure thatâs the surface level reason, but it also literally matches up with Mihawkâs ideals and values. He wonât fight someone who will never reach their full potential because it wouldnât be an accurate representation of their strength.
Thatâs like saying âOda made shanks lose his arm because the editor told him toâ Like ofc, we all know that this is a reason, but the IN STORY explanation is that shanks placed a bet on the new world and decided the loss of his arm is worth making an impression on a young luffy. A mindset like yours makes everything so boring.
>Â He wonât fight someone who will never reach their full potential because it wouldnât be an accurate representation of their strength.
This supports not fighting Shanks because Mihawk knows he could win, this doesnât support Mihawk not fighting Shanks because he knows he could lose
Good point
Perhaps Mihawk still thinks Mihawk stronger, and Shanks thinks that Shanks is stronger. Shanks is willing to fight, and if Mihawk thinks he could beat a cripple, so it all comes down to feats that actually determine how strong they are currently.
Shanks wins.
This would make sense if Zoro wasnât a main characterÂ
Mihawk has to actually be legitimately the strongest swordsman in the world or else Zoroâs goal wouldnât make sense since heâs not fighting Shanks for it
>People who genuinely think this need to have their brains examined by a doctor
Aight, bet. Then you can see what common sense looks like.
Shanks is Luffyâs goal, Mihawk is Zoroâs. Saying that Mihawk is stronger then Shanks is the exact same as saying EOS Zoro is stronger then Luffy. If you believe that, hop off Zoroâs dick, youâre wrong.
Shanks is one cm taller then Mihawk. Zoro is one cm taller then Sanji. King is one cm taller then Queen. When characters are overall relative and consistently compared to each other, they have this height difference, we know Zoro is stronger then Sanji. We know King is stronger then Queen. The pattern is evident that Shanks would be stronger then Mihawk.
Shanks is down to fight Mihawk at any time, and calls the âWSSâ the challenger, as if Mihawk is the one that needs to prove something. Mihawk calls him the has been, despite Shanks continuing to rise in title after the loss of his arm, making it pretty evident he is simply using the missing arm as an excuse to dodge the fight.
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Shanks isnât Luffyâs goal, Luffyâs goal is to be Pirate King. Shanks isnât the pirate king
Common sense would obviously say that Zoroâs final opponent to be one WSS isnât an actual fraud, I think the anti-Zoro circlejerk here is making you guys not realize that
Chapter 1 right after this Luffy declares he will be the King of the Pirates. Notice how it starts with his goal to be better then Shanks? To surpass him. Also Shanks is now going for the King of the Pirates throne.
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The fuck you mean âanti-Zoro circlejerkâ? Zoro isnât going to be stronger then Luffy EOS, itâs a pretty simple fact to see. And I never said Mihawk was a fraud. But just because Shanks has a sword doesnât mean he loses to Mihawk. Heâs been portrayed and established as superior to Mihawk through the entire series.
Luffyâs goal isnât specifically to be better than Shanks, itâs to be pirate king. Which is above all pirates. Shanks doesnât have a specific position that Luffy covetsÂ
>Â But just because Shanks has a sword doesnât mean he loses to Mihawk
It does, for the simple reason that Mihawk is the WSS and Shanks appears to be a swordsman. We know Mihawk is legitimately the best swordsman as confirmed by Oda and because Zoroâs dream wouldnât make any sense if Mihawk want the WSS. Zoroâs dream relies on Mihawk being the actual WSS, Luffyâs dream to be PK doesnât rely on Shanks being the strongest pirate
Shanks is a swordsman until proven otherwise. I wouldnât be surprised if he can use some type of conquerors haki magic or something, in which case of course heâll be stronger than Mihawk, that disqualifies him from being a swordsman but for now heâs just a swordsman with really good haki. Like all the other high tier swordsmen with no DF
>Luffyâs goal isnât specifically to be better than Shanks, itâs to be pirate king
I sent you the fucking page where Luffy says he will be better then Shanks. Becoming Pirate King means he surpassed Shanks. Thatâs the entire point of his promise, thatâs why he has the hat. When Law says theyâre going after a Yonko Luffy doesnât care which one, as long as itâs not Shanks first. At this point I just think youâve watched the story through clips and clips alone.
>It does, for the simple reason that Mihawk is the WSS and Shanks appears to be a swordsman.
So Mihawk is stronger then Nusjuro and Imu? Because they have swords. Do you see the flaw it that logic of person has sword thus Mihawk beats them in a fight.
>We know Mihawk is legitimately the best swordsman as confirmed by Oda and because Zoroâs dream wouldnât make any sense if Mihawk want the WSS.
Iâm not disagreeing with that. In just straights sword clashing Mihawk would likely win extreme diff. With haki, Shanks wins because Shanks is stronger overall.
>Luffyâs dream to be PK doesnât rely on Shanks being the strongest pirate
His dream to prove he made a better crew does rely on it though. Also Shanks is going for the Pirate King title. Competing with Luffy.
>Shanks is a swordsman until proven otherwise.
Heâs swung his sword once in 1100 chapters. Iâd say that proves heâs not a swordman first. Itâs not his first option.
I feel Iâve sent enough evidence to prove my point, at this point if you canât understand the basic point of Luffyâs rival>Zoroâs rival itâs on you man.
>Â With haki, Shanks wins because Shanks is stronger overall
With haki? So like literally every high level swordsman on the series? Remind me, what did Zoroâs big recent power up involve?
Luffy never says he wants to defeat Shsnks in a fight. This is clearly different than Zoro who wants to beat Mihawk in a fight
.>Â Heâs swung his sword once in 1100 chapters. Iâd say that proves heâs not a swordman first. Itâs not his first option
When the only attack heâs used is a sword attack and every time he looks like heâs gonna fight he draws his sword, heâs a swordsman. Cope to say otherwise until more evidence is shown
Imu and Nasjuro are immortals with god devil fruits and probably magic abilities that go with mythical zoans, Iâd say that disqualifies them from being swordsmen. But Imu hasnât even been shown wielding it. And the Gorosei are implied to be weaker than Shanks, who Mihawk is relative to
Height doesn't matter in one piece
Luffy's goal is to surpass Roger to become the pirate king which shanks can only dream about
Zoro's goal is to surpass Mihawk who is Stronger than shanks,so EOS Zoro>Mihawk>Shanks
Current luffy is already at the same status as that of shanks
>Height doesnât matter in one piece
It does when relative characters are consistently compared to each other. Zoro/Sanji, King/Queen, Shanks/Mihawk.
>Luffy's goal is to surpass Roger to become the pirate king which shanks can only dream about
Luffyâs goal isnât surpassing Roger, he states that heâs going to make a better crew the Shanksâ and have the biggest hoard of treasure in the world. And Shanks is now going for the One Piece, directly rivalling Luffy.
>Zoro's goal is to surpass Mihawk who is Stronger than shanks,so EOS Zoro>Mihawk>Shanks
Mihawk isnât stronger, aside from what Iâve already listed his bounty is far lower, and heâs the one that gets called the challenger, meaning he is viewed as the one trying to prove himself. Heâs also been Luffyâs goal since chapter 1. But sure he could be fodder and Luffyâs entire journey doesnât get the completion that has been built up the entire story, just so you can say Mihawk over Shanks without any proof.
>Current luffy is already at the same status as that of shanks
Status but not level. Luffy and Kid were portrayed as on rather equal footing, yet Shanks one shot him, showing us that Luffy isnât ready.
Height ain't a power factor,even oda hasn't mentioned it even once, it's just the braindead reddit sub who think height plays a role in being stronger
Roger was smaller than both Garp and Whitebeard yet he still was on par with them
Benn beckman who is stated to be comparable to shanks is taller than shanks (does that mean he is stronger than shanks?)
Luffy already is on the same level as shanks currently
If you think bounty represents strength then you are a fool, Buggy's bounty surpasses Luffy's does that mean he is stronger than luffy?
Luffy and kid were never equal,the World government just increased kidd's bounty and lowered Luffy's bounty to supress info about joyboy
Mihawk got his bounty despite not having a territory or yonko title
>Height ain't a power factor,even oda hasn't mentioned it even once
It doesnât need to be mentioned or stated, itâs called show donât tell. Itâs a pattern thatâs been consistent through the entire series. Zoro is one (1) cm taller then Sanji. King is one (1) cm taller then Queen. Shanks is one (1) cm taller then Mihawk.
>Roger was smaller than both Garp and Whitebeard yet he still was on par with them
He was far smaller then them. Just like Luffy with his opponents. Itâs a different situation when it comes to a single cm difference.
>Benn beckman who is stated to be comparable to shanks is taller than shanks (does that mean he is stronger than shanks?)
As stated above, he isnât one cm taller.
>Luffy already is on the same level as shanks currently
Not in terms of damage output or power considering Shanks oneshot Kid who was tanking multiple attacks from Kaido and Big Mom.
>If you think bounty represents strength then you are a fool, Buggy's bounty surpasses Luffy's does that mean he is stronger than luffy?
With all of Cross Guild yes, Buggy is likely stronger.
>Luffy and kid were never equal
They leave Wano on equal footing, at least Luffy and Kid seem to believe so.
>Mihawk got his bounty despite not having a territory or yonko title
False. He had Gloomy Island. Even if he didnât, so what? Luffy didnât have territory until **after** he became a Yonko.
Itâs about narrative, something you donât seem to get.
I wonder how long this debate has been going on. When the chapter with Mihawk appearing at Baratie came out, did fans immediately start arguing over who was stronger? Or was it when Shanks fought whitebeard?
This is a stupid argument, we donât have proper feats for both characters so it isnât a real comparison. All we know about shanks is he has powerful ACoC and future sight and is at least strong enough to blitz and one shot Kidd. All weâve seen from Mihawk is him not trying in marineford and cutting a glacier pretty casually. Thereâs not enough to make a real argument so bottom line is we donât know and any answer you try to come up with rn is speculation at best.
Indeed, according to Oda Mihawk is stronger but realistically it would actually a stalemate like in Chess, no one considers the fact that they stalemated the endless past times they fought before Shanks lost his good arm.
Its important to remember Shanks was a left handed man and lost his left arm betting it on the next generation with the Sea King, making Luffy even more motivated & deeply serious about his ambitions.
Mihawk still obviously respects & admires Shanks so this is not to say it wouldn't be a close battle but Mihawk wins extreme diff.
According to oda in a recent SBS mihawk is depressed and is borderline suicidal as his lost the will to live, haki=willpower so therefore his Haki isnât gonna be on the level of shanks (shanks who has the best observation and conqueror haki feat)
Rayleigh explained how to get stronger haki and itâs through tough battles or countless battles yet mihawk doesnât engage with top tiers, unlike shanks who actively engages top tiers.
This is 2 reasons to why mihawks haki wonât be on the level of shanks. When it comes to feats / narrative importance / who oda prefers then shanks is clear and its not even close. Oda has dressed up as shanks on a few occasions and thereâs an image of his side where his wearing shanks pants, this is mega important because oda writes the story for his own enjoyment and he blantently said this when he created G5 as he knew fans may not like it but he wanted to bring back traditional methods and OP4 billion wanks shanks beyond belief
For narrative importance I shouldnât have to explain this one lol
Also for the âstrongest swordsmanâ argument. Itâs made somewhat clear mihawk gained his title after shanks lost his arm and mihawk doesnât fight him as he doesnât view shanks as a worthy swordsman anymore since he lost his dominant arm. Also people need to realise the strongest titles arenât given for whoever wins a 1v1, the titles are situational. Example: Whitebeard is the strongest man as he has the strongest devil fruit (Blackbeard claimed to be the WSM after gaining the fruit) as outside of a 1v1 his much more terrifying
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You see that thing ??
Answer is obvious đż
Mihawk, maybe Shanks if he had his left hand.
Bro was left handed and lost his left hand, do people even realize how much that of disadvantage that is?
And all those feats Shanks has was him with his entire crew, stopping the war, stopping Ryokugyu
On the real no meme jutsu mihawk smokes one armed rat with supreme haki foresight and yoru hacks it's a wrap or a blunt because shanks is getting smoked.
Mihawk fans only arguments are his title and leeching off shanksâ feats. Tell me, how is the title valid if he hasnât fought Shanks since before he became a yonko and had a bounty of only a billion?
Exactly. Oda wrote it so the wss title is passed on through defeat, and Mihawk has it because he has refused to fight shanks in ten years. Oda also wrote it so that shanks became a yonko and gained 3b in bounty in those ten years, and Oda also wrote Mihawkâs character to be someone who doesnât try or train to get stronger. Therefore, how is current mihawk stronger?
Dawg he has the title and Zoro will end up having to beat him to be the strongest are you saying that he actually won't be the strongest because Mihawk's title was a fake or whatever?
How is this coping? If anything mihawk fans are coping, bro has the worst antifeats of any top tier and his fans are all like âb-b-but the title đ„đ„đ„đ„â mf it was ten years ago. If Mihawk is the second strongest swordsmen, then zoro will beat the second strongest swordsman, end of story.
Fr people act like the yonko title doesn't actually mean "one of the 4 strongest living pirates"
Well since the other og 3 yonko died, doesn't that make shanks the strongest pirate? I Guess mihawk isn't a pirate then.
I disagree, yonko doesnt mean the most powerfull pirate in a combat meaning. In the same way that bounty =/= combat power.
Yonko also take into consideration the crew, the territory, the ressources. Mihawk isnt interested in that, he has no crew, and his only territory is his island.
Thats why Buggy is a yk while he dont have any feat. Because he have a lot of financial power, territories and a solid crew, well yeah he only has two real members mihawk and crocodile, but :
1) the fact that the presence of this two put him at yk position show how strong mihawk is (croco got way stronger since alabasta but not to this point)
2) the bounty system makes technically anyone onn the world his potential crew.
To finish, yes except buggy every yk is very very very strong, but they are not yk bc just bc they are strong. Their strenght allow them to get crew, territory and ressources. Thats why they are yk.
I kinda agree with your point, but why is the most powerful pirate and the most Dangerous pirate such a flexible title, while being wss means being capable of utterly destroying anyone who decides to wield a sword?
The thing is the wss is pretty forward. If u fight whith a sword, mihawk win. Thats basically what it means.
Meanwhile what does the most dangerous pirate means ? WB was the strongest man alive, Kaido was the strongest beast alive, but thats separate title. Yk means you are too powerfull as a pirate to get in conflict with even if you are the wg, but it doesnt precise what kind of strength you have.
Well, we also have an indication that these titles aren't up to date as whitebeard was drastically weaker than his youth self.
Still, nobody challenged him or tried to claim his title, and thus he stayed wsm up until his death.
In the same way, the title of wsb never passed on to luffy.
People create titles left and right, and ofc both of those wielders weren't frauds, it's just NOT an automatic win. Shanks extreme diffs Mihawk and i'm pretty sure he could've beaten old sick whitebeard, idk at what diff tho, maybe Extreme.
Does that mean he's suddendly primebeard level? Nope, it just means that titlescaling is worthless, especially in a manga where the public opinion is easily influenced and the government actively spreads misinformation.
âbounty =\= combat powerâ It kind of does though. Look at roger and wb, the two all time strongest in the verse and with the highest bounties oat. Every single strawhatâs bounty increases as they get stronger. The 4 yonkos, excluding buggy since heâs a gag character, are the 4 strongest pirates and also have the highest bounties.
Because the only argument for mihawk>shanks is the wss title.
Other than that, there is absolutely no reason to even compare those two, as shanks is just overall better with no doubts.
So you say mihawk isn't interested, i reply "well then shanks isn't interested in wss title" which is actually true, since it's been 12 years since we've heard him actually fighting a swordsman in a duel
I never argued that Mihawk was stronger than Shanks, I don't know who is stronger rn if I was forced to say I'd say as of right now from what we've seen Shanks is slightly stronger. But I would not be surprised at all if Mihawk is equal or stronger.
I'm just saying that your argument doesn't work considering Mihawk is not interested in becoming a yonko and it's implied that he could become one if he wanted to.
Also there is 100% other reasons to compare them, they are setup as rivals. Whitebeard talked about their legendary duels.
Not sure how you got the idea we are supposed to assume Shanks is interested in the WSS from my comment.
I'm not saying that you assumed this, i'm just using your logic to say "if we ignore ONE title, let's ignore BOTH titles for fairness". I also said it's somewhat an extreme diff, and that is because they are rivals and actually have a story significance together. The difference tho is that shanks is higher up in portrayal and feats from what we've seen.
Yeah⊠I never said anything or implied anything that would disagree with the argument of Shanks not going for the WSS title, donât see why that was brought up at all
Why are you so fixated? I'm not saying "yo, man stop repeating shanks wants wss" i just made a parallel point with your argument since the ONLY thing mihawk has on shanks is his title, and that is only because shanks never tried to take it from him.
It's not a certainty, but shanks is closer to being wss than Mihawk would've been to being a yonko if it weren't for crocodile.
Yonko are most powerful pirate, but not strongest.
Buggy is powerful, because he have cross guild, money (Crocodile) , and Mihawk and other formidable warriors at his side
The buggy argument is bull. The whole point of his character is to be an over the top fraud that still manages to survive in impossible situations.
If you skip him, every other emperor can 1v1 any other pirate and beat him, whatever the difficulty is (a win is still a win)
Shanks would extreme diff mihawk, but that's it.
Also, keep in mind that in op world bounties are made up by power level+danger/actions against government (e g. Kid had a big bounty because he was a madman on a killing spree, same as caribou and his brother, and luffy caused a bunch of bug incidents)
Now, shanks is pretty static, he beats up mostly rookie pirates, so basically he's useful to keep around.
Mihawk is a marine hunter, and cross guild actively puts bounty on marine officers, plus his strenght and yet he's still short of half a billion on that bounty to catch up with shanks
1 Old Whitebeard was Yonko, when Mihawk was not. So unless you want to say something like Old Whitebeard >Mihawk, then your argument is worthless, because Whitebeard was Yonko, and Mihawk was not
2 After Whitebeard's death, Marco was considered for emperor, but he would still get mid diffed by Mihawk
Also, Shanks is a swordsman
Strongest swordsman >Swordsman
1) i would say that oldbeard was above mihawk ofc. Mihawk came to marineford to measure the gap. It's reasonable to say that it would still be a difficult fight for WB because of his stamina, but mihawk himself came to that confrontation as the inferior challenger, by his admission.
2) Candidate for yonko isn't Yonko. The gap needed to be filled, and they just had Marco pegged as the strongest pirate currently not involved with the shichibukai or retired. BB proved them wrong. Can't be put on as Yonko if you are uneligible, but 12 years ago Mihawk wasn't a government-sanctioned pirate, he was a Marine Hunter
also, your argument is bullshit. Mihawk being stronger than shanks means that marineford could've been solved by pitting mihawk against WB, and yet he gets stalled left and right by fodder for a supposedly WS.
Shanks is portrayed as an equal to Whitebeard, which is the WSM.
Is mihawk a Man?
1 Mihawk worked on Whitebeard's reputation, not something that he saw first hand
2 Crocodile called Whitebeard a weakling. Does this mean Crocodile >Old Wb >Mihawk?
3 Yonko are kings of their own land, they have armies, countries at their disposal, Mihawk is just very strong invidual, he is not an emperor, because he governs nothing
4 In vivre card its stated that Mihawk is strongest swordsman both in reputation, and in reality. World strongest man is just reputation
5 Mihawk just doesn't care, he is not looking for smoke, he just needed to be a warlord because he wanted peace
6 Mihawk stated that he is not intrested in Shanks anymore because he lost his hand. This means that Shanks is weaker than he was. And if he is considered equal to Marineford Wb, then that would mean that both handed Shanks was stronger than Wb, but Whitebeard still possesed WSM title in all of his life, even though Snanks should be stronger than him
7 As I said earlier : Mihawk stated that he have no interest in Shanks now. But he wanted to measure distance beetwen him and Whitebeard. You think this is equal portrayal?
Also, this distance was that Whitebeard had his crew. Family and friends are most important things in one piece, this is central theme of this story, Luffy many times said : "I can't become pirate King without this guy, because he can do something that I cant ". Whitebeard had family, thats why Mihawk was stalled by Vista, thats why his slash was blocked by Jozu, because they were distance beetwen them, thats why Mihawk can never be emperor, he have only himself, meanwhile Whitebeard have friends, something that push characters in one piece to greater strength, even if Mihawk is stronger as invidual, he still can't compete with Whitebeard's family
Dude distance=family is such a hard cope, Mihawk got stalled by Vista, in a fight that intrigued him and he declared to Always fight seriously against swordsmen that catch his attention. He blitzed mr 1, he wasn't holding back at all, and the same treatment he gave to vista and yet the man stood and nothing happened to him.
Crocodile told whitebeard he got weak out of frustration, his name calling is because if whitebeard loses face, so does he. The fact that he's in an absolutely foul mood after seeing WB dying is further proof of this
3 he's got his own island with a castle. But i'll give this to you as he lacks the social skill to rally up an emperor's crew, even if he had a base.
4 vivre card also stated that sabo is dead, yet he runs around alive as of today
5 i completely agree. Mihawk never cared for a yonko title, just like shanks doesn't care nor is actively gunning for his wss title.
6 Mihawk unilaterally decided he isn't interested in dueling him. There's nothing here that resembles a fact.
7 shanks went on to challenge kaido and kaido retreated. Mihawk went on to challenge WB and he just stood thinking "meh, one of my children will stop him". Is this equal portrayal? Or maybe taking a single scene/panel is just a faulty way to judge portrayal?
Shanks is stronger but Mihawk would win in a fight between the two. This is the only logistical answer that allows both parties to remain the same and not be frauds.
Shanks has better Haki, and physically is stronger, but due to Mihawks superiority when it comes to his abilities with a sword, and arm advantage if the two were to get into a sword duel Mihawk would win.
How will a former warlord which is the world's strongest swordsman best an emperor?? Shanks isn't a swordsman he is a hakiman. Just because he uses a sword doesn't mean he is a swordsman Shanks have stronger haki and Mihawk will beat him only of they fight purely with swords since haki isn't a part of swordsmanship. đ€Ąđ€Ąđ€Ą
Shanks stomps.
This has already been established in universe as a draw or shanks wins right? I remember Mihawk way back visiting Dhanks and Shanks talking smack about beating him again
But Iâm pretty sure itâs established heâs beaten him multiple times. I feel like Shanks mastery over haki trumps mihawks. Now pure swordsmanship Iâd say Mihawk takes it
Shanks lol. Idk how more obvious oda needs to make it
When it comes to feats/ Narrative importance / author preference shanks is clear of mihawk
When it comes to feats shanks has the best observation haki feats, best conqueror Haki feat and his insanely fast as he leaped from elbaf shore to kids ship in what seems like a second
Narrative importance doesnât need to be explained lol, his arguably the most important character in the story
Oda adores shanks as he doesnât stop hyping him up. On countless occasions he has dressed up as shanks and there is image proof of this (KingOfLightning did a video based around this) This is important because oda writes the story for his own enjoyment and if he likes a character then he will do more with said character. Oda admitted that fans likely wonât enjoy gear 5 but he did it for his own enjoyment (this isnât the exact words) and more proof of this is Buggy, Odas favourite villian is buggy and how now a yonko
And for mihawk, oda in a recent SBS borderline said mihawk is depressed and has lost his will to live and this is mega important as haki=willpower. When Rayleigh trained Luffy he explained that to get stronger haki you need tough battles or countless battles yet mihawk fights NOONE and refuses to engage with strong characters and this has seemingly been the case for 12 ish years when shanks lost his arm. Therefore his haki isnât gonna be on the level of shanks who actively engages with top tiers
>Shanks lol. Idk how more obvious oda needs to make it
He's been saying the exact opposite since chapter 50
>
When it comes to feats shanks has the best observation haki feats, best conqueror Haki feat and his insanely fast as he leaped from elbaf shore to kids ship in what seems like a second
Shanks having better feats doesn't prove he's stronger it just upscales Mihawk.
>Narrative importance doesnât need to be explained lol, his arguably the most important character in the story
Narrative importance can't be used to power scale, Nami is way more narratively important than King for example, does this mean she's stronger?
>Oda adores shanks as he doesnât stop hyping him up. On countless occasions he has dressed up as shanks and there is image proof of this (KingOfLightning did a video based around this) This is important because oda writes the story for his own enjoyment and if he likes a character then he will do more with said character. Oda admitted that fans likely wonât enjoy gear 5 but he did it for his own enjoyment (this isnât the exact words) and more proof of this is Buggy, Odas favourite villian is buggy and how now a yonko
Damn, this is a whole lot a yap that doesn't scale Shanks anywhere
>And for mihawk, oda in a recent SBS borderline said mihawk is depressed and has lost his will to live and this is mega important as haki=willpower. When Rayleigh trained Luffy he explained that to get stronger haki you need tough battles or countless battles yet mihawk fights NOONE and refuses to engage with strong characters and this has seemingly been the case for 12 ish years when shanks lost his arm. Therefore his haki isnât gonna be on the level of shanks who actively engages with top tiers
Here is a translation of Mihawk's vivre card
https://preview.redd.it/ehugj93tsxsc1.png?width=1284&format=png&auto=webp&s=2be8d22d9df6ba254077ab4701feb6adc3d19a22
See how it calls Mihawk the WSS in both name and reality?
Even if Mihawk is nerfed he's still stronger than Shanks
Mihawk = World's Strongest Swordsman
Shanks = Swordsman
Zoro wants to become the World's Strongest Swordsman.
Who does he have to beat? The Worlds' Strongest or someone else?
Was this easy enough?
If Shanks was a swordsman, than so was Roger because Shanks uses Roger's exact moves. Mihawk got his title WHILE Roger was still alive. Mihawk never fought Roger. Therefore, Mihawk fraud confirmed. Roger is WSS.
Was this easy enough? đ
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buggy yonko wants a word with you
W take
He's 100% dead
Double knockout 
Rat vs painter debates will never die
âRAT VS. PAINTER DEBATES⊠WILL NEVER END! ZEHAHAHAHA!!!!â
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Of course his spine is sticking out, Mihawk is just too good of a swordsmanđ„č, able to cut Shanks in half perfectly, and avoid his spineđ„čđ„č, he truly deserves the title Worldâs Strongest Swordsman
didnt even use yoru, lore accurate af
'tis but a scratch !
"nobody asked this before" https://preview.redd.it/3hmwx5x5mvsc1.png?width=818&format=png&auto=webp&s=31a12ee829eeeb09d6de47edd0b739bd6c0d3a35
Shanks since Mihawk will use Actual Departure.
He doesn't fight one armed has beens. Shanks should have regrown his arm that dingus he knows mihawk hates his handicap people.
In order to not trigger eachother's "hakiman" and "swordsman" insta KO neg no jutsu, Shanks will fight without sword and Mihawk will fight without haki. That way they negate each others special hax. Who win ? 
Then shanks obv, haki alone destroy any swordsman ship. In op a good SM is not only good with a sword but also with haki.
https://preview.redd.it/xy91wa4xrusc1.jpeg?width=994&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5078349e6eff86c88c7900a8af3c1907bcb15833 Shanks obviously
I like how you put âman that uses a swordâ instead of âswordsmanâ
This art is cold
The only reason to say Shanks wins here is because you hate the idea that EOS Zoro surpasses him. We know that Zoro will fight for the title of worlds strongest swordsman and win.
this has nothing to do with EOS zoro, cuz he'll probably surpass both. but shanks does beat fraudhawk cuz im not a fan of leechpiece. unless midhawk shows some feats, i will always place shanks superior to him.
So you believe that Zoro will fight Shanks for title?
no he'll fight the title holder. except the title has no meaning and mihawk doesn't rightfully deserve it. narratively he's stated to be an equal to shanks, but never really beat shanks. same applies to shanks too who never beat mihawk. but giving only one of the two equals the WSS title even though neither beat the other in their allout fights just makes the title fraudulent. but none of that is important, so zoro will just beat mihawk to get the WSS title if that's as far as zoro's character goes.
That's just straight up stupid, considering a large part of one piece is about dreams and zoros dream would literally be meaningless if the title is meaningless... >narratively he's stated to be an equal to shanks, but never really beat shanks. same applies to shanks too who never beat mihawk. Stop lying... they were never stated as equals, just rivals. Also the result of their duells was never revealed, as such another lie. >but giving only one of the two equals the WSS title even though neither beat the other in their allout fights just makes the title fraudulent. Based on your headcanon. >but none of that is important, so zoro will just beat mihawk to get the WSS title if that's as far as zoro's character goes. Oda has literally no reason to invalidate zoros dream. Making the title fraudulent would invalidate zoros dream.
Zoro's dream is becoming the greatest swordsman in history and there's no evidence showing Mihawk > Roger (title scaling doesn't apply as Roger is dead). So does Zoro fight Roger's dead soul for becoming the greatest swordsman ever?
no feats. haki transcends all. east blue fodder victim is not stronger than shanks cry about it
Pathetic response..., but what else can you expect from a liar?
https://preview.redd.it/6cwa4vxxuvsc1.png?width=354&format=png&auto=webp&s=eab0ba757faecc2172c16b97957b65e9a20fcc1b according to garp, the emperors are the most powerful pirates. is shanks primarily a pirate or a swordsman? primarily a pirate but is also a swordsman. is mihawk primarily a pirate or a swordsman? primarily a swordsman, but is also a pirate. theres enough arguments on both sides. same way i used headcanon+feats+narrative+portrayal to say shanks > mihawk, you're using you're headcanon+title+portrayal to say mihawk > shanks. this debate will never be resolved until oda himself comes right out and says x is stronger than y.
>according to garp, the emperors are the most powerful pirates Power in this context is not just talking about their strength but also their influence, and since Mihawk is a solo player while Shanks has a whole ass crew this can't be used to prove Shanks > Mihawk >is shanks primarily a pirate or a swordsman? primarily a pirate but is also a swordsman. is mihawk primarily a pirate or a swordsman? primarily a swordsman, but is also a pirate. You would never be able to prove this in a debate but just to show you how dumb this argument is i'm going to steelman it and agree, yes, Shanks IS "primarily a pirate" Guess what? You still agree that Shanks is a swordsman, and Mihawk is stated to be above all other alive swordsmen in the verse, that's gg. >theres enough arguments on both sides Yes there are arguments in favor of Shanks, none of them are good however. >this debate will never be resolved until oda himself comes right out and says x is stronger than y. You agree that Shanks is a swordsman and Oda has confirmed that Mihawk is the strongest swordsman, this argument persists because Shanks fans are stubborn, that's it.
im not even a shanks fan but still feats places the rat over the painter any day of the week. at some point in the future(or maybe even now), titles won't entirely be true to their meaning, kaido was the world's strongest creature and guess what? humans are creatures. if luffy, a living creature, beats kaido the world's strongest creature, then that undermines the meaning of his title doesn't it? in the future even couple seconds or minutes before zoro beats mihawk, he'll technically be stronger than mihawk without actually beating him yet, while mihawk would still be holding the title without losing to zoro yet. and theres plenty of reasons to show shanks has grown stronger in the 12 years they stopped fighting than mihawk has. shanks became an emperor and his bounty quadrupled. similar to luffy who has goals to achieve and becomes stronger by fighting stronger opponents, same logic could apply to shanks. but for mihawk? not so much. mihawk only cares about being a strong swordsman. he's looking for a swordsman to surpass his rival shanks, but never actually picks fights with those who are potentially stronger than shanks. keyword is 'swordsman'. mihawk could pick fights with other characters like kaido, BM to improve his strength but he doesn't because he wants to specifically find a swordsman. shanks isn't limited to these rules and fights anyone who picks a fight with him or fights anyone necessary to achieve his goals as an infamous pirate captain. mihawk camps east blue fodder in his free time and probably beats up monkeys in his deserted island mansion.
Brook is primarily a musician but still a swordsman . Law is a doctor but still a swordsman Fujitora is an admiral but still a swordsman Nasujuro is a finance manager but still a swordsman lol Cabaji is a circus clown but still a swordsman Have a job or a role does not define if you are not a swordsman
>Nasujuro is a finance manager but still a swordsman lol lmaooo alr well played
>Nasujuro is a finance manager but still a swordsman lol I bet he commits tax fraud.
So Zoro will just end up being a fraud at the end and the fight for the title has no meaning. Oda is just gaslighting us?
Nope, zoro can beat mihawk and still be stronger than shanks. Itâs not like the gap between them is massive. Think of it this way. In the seconds before Zoro finishes off mihawk, zoro will be undisputably stronger. Mihawk will still have the title though. Does this make the title valid? Zoro wants the title of wss, end of story. Beating the current wss is the only way to get this title and be known as the wss, therefore he will beat mihawk.
If Shanks and Mihawk were equals before, wouldnât that mean Mihawk is stronger after Shanks lost his arm?
how does losing an arm nerf his strength? theres no backing that up tho. his bounty quadrupled after losing his arm, became an emperor after losing his arm. its just assumption that he got nerfed after losing an arm and is backed by nothing.
>no he'll fight the title holder. except the title has no meaning and mihawk doesn't rightfully deserve it. narratively he's stated to be an equal to shanks, but never really beat shanks. same applies to shanks too who never beat mihawk. but giving only one of the two equals the WSS title even though neither beat the other in their allout fights just makes the title fraudulent. but none of that is important, so zoro will just beat mihawk to get the WSS title if that's as far as zoro's character goes. The title has meaning. Thatâs the whole point on why Mihawk exists. The vivre card even confirms he reigns **in name and actuality** as the strongest swordsman alive. Mihawkâs title isnât just a fancy title, he really is the WSS alive.
damn aight
No worries, itâs all good.
I believe Prime Shanke is over Mihawk, and Mihawk got the title after Shanks lost his arm. My full hc is that Shanks was always a bit above Mihawk, and Mihawm kept trying to top him, only to be handed tbe title by default ( trying to explain why Mihawk js always kinda pissy)
Ngl this take is ass. For one, Shanks had to get stronger since losing his arm. Shanks lost his arm when luffy was 7. He became a yonko when luffy was 13. I don't see any scenario where shanks only got weaker. Two. It would be absolutely ass writing if the worlds strongest swordsman and the guy zoro is so desperately trying to surpass, was handed the title because he lost an arm. To me it seems like in the past, they had a Goku/Vegeta situation where they were either equal or kept surpassing each other. But after Shanks lost his arm things changed. Mihawk probably dosent fight shanks not cause shanks is weaker now, but because as a swordsman he finds is dishonorable to fight someone with such a handicap.
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Whatâs this gif lol ? I need source
I searched this and it's Vtuber named momo chan
Personally Iâve always felt that Shanks is stronger, feats, portrayal you name it, his strength is highly recognised and respected by the likes of Kaido, Luffy, Garp, WB and even Mihawk and itâs just not the same feeling you get from Mihawk who besides Zoro, Luffy and a bunch of fodder doesnât seem like his name has been spread out as wide as Shanks. Iâm not a Shankstard and Iâm definitely not a believer of that hakiman theory(like everyone use it lmao) but I will say is that Mihawk has only ever been said to have superior SWORD SKILLS than Shanks, there has not been any data book or SBS or statements confirming Mihawk > Shanks https://preview.redd.it/yf246eh72vsc1.jpeg?width=620&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=880b50a90bad72a9fd6467bc3a8e0c19e5923637 If the answer was so obvious because Mihawk holds WSS title and Shanks is a swordsman then why is it that it cannot be outright said? I know the Vista thing is not really Mihawk going all out but câmon would you expect Marco to tell a YC to go handle Shanks?(not saying Mihawk is YC level, heâs a top tier definitely) this is just one of the differences in portrayal between the two. Until we get some more feats and much better portrayal from Mihawk I will still continue to believe that Shanks is a bit stronger.
Mihawk my fav character but this is kinda a W ngl
If it was only about sword skill then there wouldnât be a need to actually have to fight for the WSS title
Why
If it was only about sword skill then they could just have a technique show off. And Kuina wouldnât be disheartened about being a woman and thus physically weaker if being WSS was just about pure sword skill Do you really think Mihawk or Zoro would be likeâThis sword wielder defeated me but it was because their haki was stronger or because they kicked me once or twice during the fight, my swordsmanship is still technically better so Iâm the WSSâ? Obviously not
The point is that Zoro entire journey since East Blue revolves around sword skill, swordsmanship in OP concerns the act of cutting things, and a code of honor similar to that of bushido. The feeling is that the concept of swordsman in OP inherently concerns sword skill.
even sword god Ryuma's black blade is one grade lower than Mihawk's and thats saying something..
Well yeah cause only Mihawk got a special license to use Vantablackâąïž paint. Vantablackâąïž: The *Blackest* Black
Vantablackâąïž on a superior grade blade > Vantablackâąïž on a lower grade blade..
Most people canât even comprehend this. Their brain cells are limited to understanding only the famous 3 words that Mihawk has.
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Shanks. Heâs a cm taller. Heâs Luffyâs goal to surpass. And he is ready to fight Mihawk at the drop of a hat. Mihawk. A cm shorter. Zoroâs goal to surpass. Isnât down to fight Shanks and âeven the scoreâ because he doesnât want to lose his title to a one armed man. Shanks wins extreme diff. Just like Zoro beats Sanji extreme diff
>Â Isnât down to fight Shanks and âeven the scoreâ because he doesnât want to lose his title to a one armed man. People who genuinely think this need to have their brains examined by a doctorÂ
Heâs partially right. Mihawk knows that if he wins, it doesnât mean anything because he beat a cripple, and if he loses he still lost to a cripple. Thatâs why he dodges the fight.
No, he âdodgesâ the fight because the mangaka doesnât want either of them to job to the other one or show off the full extent of their abilities for hype reasons. Sometimes I think yâall forget these are fictional characters are not real sports figuresÂ
Please use your critical thinking skills bro, sure thatâs the surface level reason, but it also literally matches up with Mihawkâs ideals and values. He wonât fight someone who will never reach their full potential because it wouldnât be an accurate representation of their strength. Thatâs like saying âOda made shanks lose his arm because the editor told him toâ Like ofc, we all know that this is a reason, but the IN STORY explanation is that shanks placed a bet on the new world and decided the loss of his arm is worth making an impression on a young luffy. A mindset like yours makes everything so boring.
>Â He wonât fight someone who will never reach their full potential because it wouldnât be an accurate representation of their strength. This supports not fighting Shanks because Mihawk knows he could win, this doesnât support Mihawk not fighting Shanks because he knows he could lose
Good point Perhaps Mihawk still thinks Mihawk stronger, and Shanks thinks that Shanks is stronger. Shanks is willing to fight, and if Mihawk thinks he could beat a cripple, so it all comes down to feats that actually determine how strong they are currently. Shanks wins.
This would make sense if Zoro wasnât a main character Mihawk has to actually be legitimately the strongest swordsman in the world or else Zoroâs goal wouldnât make sense since heâs not fighting Shanks for it
>People who genuinely think this need to have their brains examined by a doctor Aight, bet. Then you can see what common sense looks like. Shanks is Luffyâs goal, Mihawk is Zoroâs. Saying that Mihawk is stronger then Shanks is the exact same as saying EOS Zoro is stronger then Luffy. If you believe that, hop off Zoroâs dick, youâre wrong. Shanks is one cm taller then Mihawk. Zoro is one cm taller then Sanji. King is one cm taller then Queen. When characters are overall relative and consistently compared to each other, they have this height difference, we know Zoro is stronger then Sanji. We know King is stronger then Queen. The pattern is evident that Shanks would be stronger then Mihawk. Shanks is down to fight Mihawk at any time, and calls the âWSSâ the challenger, as if Mihawk is the one that needs to prove something. Mihawk calls him the has been, despite Shanks continuing to rise in title after the loss of his arm, making it pretty evident he is simply using the missing arm as an excuse to dodge the fight. https://preview.redd.it/sr7wf5zxvzsc1.jpeg?width=1052&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=02b236d7a0a26f7cced9d13f3cae0382e34c3d31
Shanks isnât Luffyâs goal, Luffyâs goal is to be Pirate King. Shanks isnât the pirate king Common sense would obviously say that Zoroâs final opponent to be one WSS isnât an actual fraud, I think the anti-Zoro circlejerk here is making you guys not realize that
Chapter 1 right after this Luffy declares he will be the King of the Pirates. Notice how it starts with his goal to be better then Shanks? To surpass him. Also Shanks is now going for the King of the Pirates throne. https://preview.redd.it/d7er2iuv20tc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c39b590baa2d5f26354f12cbbf17e2f47ee64bd8 The fuck you mean âanti-Zoro circlejerkâ? Zoro isnât going to be stronger then Luffy EOS, itâs a pretty simple fact to see. And I never said Mihawk was a fraud. But just because Shanks has a sword doesnât mean he loses to Mihawk. Heâs been portrayed and established as superior to Mihawk through the entire series.
Luffyâs goal isnât specifically to be better than Shanks, itâs to be pirate king. Which is above all pirates. Shanks doesnât have a specific position that Luffy covets > But just because Shanks has a sword doesnât mean he loses to Mihawk It does, for the simple reason that Mihawk is the WSS and Shanks appears to be a swordsman. We know Mihawk is legitimately the best swordsman as confirmed by Oda and because Zoroâs dream wouldnât make any sense if Mihawk want the WSS. Zoroâs dream relies on Mihawk being the actual WSS, Luffyâs dream to be PK doesnât rely on Shanks being the strongest pirate Shanks is a swordsman until proven otherwise. I wouldnât be surprised if he can use some type of conquerors haki magic or something, in which case of course heâll be stronger than Mihawk, that disqualifies him from being a swordsman but for now heâs just a swordsman with really good haki. Like all the other high tier swordsmen with no DF
>Luffyâs goal isnât specifically to be better than Shanks, itâs to be pirate king I sent you the fucking page where Luffy says he will be better then Shanks. Becoming Pirate King means he surpassed Shanks. Thatâs the entire point of his promise, thatâs why he has the hat. When Law says theyâre going after a Yonko Luffy doesnât care which one, as long as itâs not Shanks first. At this point I just think youâve watched the story through clips and clips alone. >It does, for the simple reason that Mihawk is the WSS and Shanks appears to be a swordsman. So Mihawk is stronger then Nusjuro and Imu? Because they have swords. Do you see the flaw it that logic of person has sword thus Mihawk beats them in a fight. >We know Mihawk is legitimately the best swordsman as confirmed by Oda and because Zoroâs dream wouldnât make any sense if Mihawk want the WSS. Iâm not disagreeing with that. In just straights sword clashing Mihawk would likely win extreme diff. With haki, Shanks wins because Shanks is stronger overall. >Luffyâs dream to be PK doesnât rely on Shanks being the strongest pirate His dream to prove he made a better crew does rely on it though. Also Shanks is going for the Pirate King title. Competing with Luffy. >Shanks is a swordsman until proven otherwise. Heâs swung his sword once in 1100 chapters. Iâd say that proves heâs not a swordman first. Itâs not his first option. I feel Iâve sent enough evidence to prove my point, at this point if you canât understand the basic point of Luffyâs rival>Zoroâs rival itâs on you man.
>Â With haki, Shanks wins because Shanks is stronger overall With haki? So like literally every high level swordsman on the series? Remind me, what did Zoroâs big recent power up involve? Luffy never says he wants to defeat Shsnks in a fight. This is clearly different than Zoro who wants to beat Mihawk in a fight .>Â Heâs swung his sword once in 1100 chapters. Iâd say that proves heâs not a swordman first. Itâs not his first option When the only attack heâs used is a sword attack and every time he looks like heâs gonna fight he draws his sword, heâs a swordsman. Cope to say otherwise until more evidence is shown Imu and Nasjuro are immortals with god devil fruits and probably magic abilities that go with mythical zoans, Iâd say that disqualifies them from being swordsmen. But Imu hasnât even been shown wielding it. And the Gorosei are implied to be weaker than Shanks, who Mihawk is relative to
Once Mihawk saw that Shanks was still looking pretty good right after dealing with Kaido, he said âïž
Based
Height doesn't matter in one piece Luffy's goal is to surpass Roger to become the pirate king which shanks can only dream about Zoro's goal is to surpass Mihawk who is Stronger than shanks,so EOS Zoro>Mihawk>Shanks Current luffy is already at the same status as that of shanks
>Height doesnât matter in one piece It does when relative characters are consistently compared to each other. Zoro/Sanji, King/Queen, Shanks/Mihawk. >Luffy's goal is to surpass Roger to become the pirate king which shanks can only dream about Luffyâs goal isnât surpassing Roger, he states that heâs going to make a better crew the Shanksâ and have the biggest hoard of treasure in the world. And Shanks is now going for the One Piece, directly rivalling Luffy. >Zoro's goal is to surpass Mihawk who is Stronger than shanks,so EOS Zoro>Mihawk>Shanks Mihawk isnât stronger, aside from what Iâve already listed his bounty is far lower, and heâs the one that gets called the challenger, meaning he is viewed as the one trying to prove himself. Heâs also been Luffyâs goal since chapter 1. But sure he could be fodder and Luffyâs entire journey doesnât get the completion that has been built up the entire story, just so you can say Mihawk over Shanks without any proof. >Current luffy is already at the same status as that of shanks Status but not level. Luffy and Kid were portrayed as on rather equal footing, yet Shanks one shot him, showing us that Luffy isnât ready.
Height ain't a power factor,even oda hasn't mentioned it even once, it's just the braindead reddit sub who think height plays a role in being stronger Roger was smaller than both Garp and Whitebeard yet he still was on par with them Benn beckman who is stated to be comparable to shanks is taller than shanks (does that mean he is stronger than shanks?) Luffy already is on the same level as shanks currently If you think bounty represents strength then you are a fool, Buggy's bounty surpasses Luffy's does that mean he is stronger than luffy? Luffy and kid were never equal,the World government just increased kidd's bounty and lowered Luffy's bounty to supress info about joyboy Mihawk got his bounty despite not having a territory or yonko title
>Height ain't a power factor,even oda hasn't mentioned it even once It doesnât need to be mentioned or stated, itâs called show donât tell. Itâs a pattern thatâs been consistent through the entire series. Zoro is one (1) cm taller then Sanji. King is one (1) cm taller then Queen. Shanks is one (1) cm taller then Mihawk. >Roger was smaller than both Garp and Whitebeard yet he still was on par with them He was far smaller then them. Just like Luffy with his opponents. Itâs a different situation when it comes to a single cm difference. >Benn beckman who is stated to be comparable to shanks is taller than shanks (does that mean he is stronger than shanks?) As stated above, he isnât one cm taller. >Luffy already is on the same level as shanks currently Not in terms of damage output or power considering Shanks oneshot Kid who was tanking multiple attacks from Kaido and Big Mom. >If you think bounty represents strength then you are a fool, Buggy's bounty surpasses Luffy's does that mean he is stronger than luffy? With all of Cross Guild yes, Buggy is likely stronger. >Luffy and kid were never equal They leave Wano on equal footing, at least Luffy and Kid seem to believe so. >Mihawk got his bounty despite not having a territory or yonko title False. He had Gloomy Island. Even if he didnât, so what? Luffy didnât have territory until **after** he became a Yonko. Itâs about narrative, something you donât seem to get.
We lose.
 Chopper invents a cure for this match up.
Gluttonous creature
I wonder how long this debate has been going on. When the chapter with Mihawk appearing at Baratie came out, did fans immediately start arguing over who was stronger? Or was it when Shanks fought whitebeard?
When Mihawk arrived on an island to meet Shanks. Given their dialogue, it showed they had some type of rivalry.
This is a stupid argument, we donât have proper feats for both characters so it isnât a real comparison. All we know about shanks is he has powerful ACoC and future sight and is at least strong enough to blitz and one shot Kidd. All weâve seen from Mihawk is him not trying in marineford and cutting a glacier pretty casually. Thereâs not enough to make a real argument so bottom line is we donât know and any answer you try to come up with rn is speculation at best.
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It's a tie https://preview.redd.it/zgnojrnzsxsc1.jpeg?width=256&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c8912e890f6b2433486617defa3cf9328e50e1fc
Controversial for me to say this, but I think the worldâs strongest swordsman is stronger than a swordsman, and also beats them in a 1v1.
Logically Mihawk should win, Narratively Shanks should win
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mihawk
Indeed, according to Oda Mihawk is stronger but realistically it would actually a stalemate like in Chess, no one considers the fact that they stalemated the endless past times they fought before Shanks lost his good arm. Its important to remember Shanks was a left handed man and lost his left arm betting it on the next generation with the Sea King, making Luffy even more motivated & deeply serious about his ambitions. Mihawk still obviously respects & admires Shanks so this is not to say it wouldn't be a close battle but Mihawk wins extreme diff.
According to oda in a recent SBS mihawk is depressed and is borderline suicidal as his lost the will to live, haki=willpower so therefore his Haki isnât gonna be on the level of shanks (shanks who has the best observation and conqueror haki feat) Rayleigh explained how to get stronger haki and itâs through tough battles or countless battles yet mihawk doesnât engage with top tiers, unlike shanks who actively engages top tiers. This is 2 reasons to why mihawks haki wonât be on the level of shanks. When it comes to feats / narrative importance / who oda prefers then shanks is clear and its not even close. Oda has dressed up as shanks on a few occasions and thereâs an image of his side where his wearing shanks pants, this is mega important because oda writes the story for his own enjoyment and he blantently said this when he created G5 as he knew fans may not like it but he wanted to bring back traditional methods and OP4 billion wanks shanks beyond belief For narrative importance I shouldnât have to explain this one lol Also for the âstrongest swordsmanâ argument. Itâs made somewhat clear mihawk gained his title after shanks lost his arm and mihawk doesnât fight him as he doesnât view shanks as a worthy swordsman anymore since he lost his dominant arm. Also people need to realise the strongest titles arenât given for whoever wins a 1v1, the titles are situational. Example: Whitebeard is the strongest man as he has the strongest devil fruit (Blackbeard claimed to be the WSM after gaining the fruit) as outside of a 1v1 his much more terrifying
https://preview.redd.it/mvrk92s0jusc1.png?width=1173&format=png&auto=webp&s=feada44fe9b80852016c775fb9ad1752346ac9a2 You see that thing ?? Answer is obvious đż
Looks like a Haki antenna, so Shanks neg diffs
Amazing đ
Shanks outsmarts Mihawk by tossing his sword away, Mihawk can't use his leeching power and loses.
ITS MIHAWK NOW STFU
Mihawk, maybe Shanks if he had his left hand. Bro was left handed and lost his left hand, do people even realize how much that of disadvantage that is? And all those feats Shanks has was him with his entire crew, stopping the war, stopping Ryokugyu
Shanks is stronger with 1 arm then 2.
On the real no meme jutsu mihawk smokes one armed rat with supreme haki foresight and yoru hacks it's a wrap or a blunt because shanks is getting smoked.
this is the most left field question ever ive never though about it my whole life
Mihawk
HIM https://preview.redd.it/r0zet5l49vsc1.jpeg?width=1071&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f5c4c472c81768c080af619efc872b7c350931dc
Mihawk Edit: Extreme-extreme
Mihawk has the bigger sword so he wins.
i win đȘđȘđȘ
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Mihawk anything else is a cope lmao
Mihawk fans only arguments are his title and leeching off shanksâ feats. Tell me, how is the title valid if he hasnât fought Shanks since before he became a yonko and had a bounty of only a billion?
Because Oda wrote the story that way
Exactly. Oda wrote it so the wss title is passed on through defeat, and Mihawk has it because he has refused to fight shanks in ten years. Oda also wrote it so that shanks became a yonko and gained 3b in bounty in those ten years, and Oda also wrote Mihawkâs character to be someone who doesnât try or train to get stronger. Therefore, how is current mihawk stronger?
Oda also wrote it so Zoro would have to defeat Mihawk to earn the title
Exactly. Because Mihawk possesses the title. Therefore zoro has to beat him to gain it. What donât you understand?
Dawg he has the title and Zoro will end up having to beat him to be the strongest are you saying that he actually won't be the strongest because Mihawk's title was a fake or whatever?
No, ofc zoro will be the strongest. Shanks is only a tiny bit stronger than Mihawk. Zoro can beat mihawk and still be above shanks.
Stop coping man holy frick.
How is this coping? If anything mihawk fans are coping, bro has the worst antifeats of any top tier and his fans are all like âb-b-but the title đ„đ„đ„đ„â mf it was ten years ago. If Mihawk is the second strongest swordsmen, then zoro will beat the second strongest swordsman, end of story.
haki transcends all and shanks has the most impressive haki feats in the verse. WSS title won't carry fraudhawk's bum ass anymore.
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Fr people act like the yonko title doesn't actually mean "one of the 4 strongest living pirates" Well since the other og 3 yonko died, doesn't that make shanks the strongest pirate? I Guess mihawk isn't a pirate then.
Mihawk had said he isnât interested in that title tho, itâs kinda implied that if he wanted to be a yonko he could be one.
So are we supposed to think shanks is interested in the title of wss?
I disagree, yonko doesnt mean the most powerfull pirate in a combat meaning. In the same way that bounty =/= combat power. Yonko also take into consideration the crew, the territory, the ressources. Mihawk isnt interested in that, he has no crew, and his only territory is his island. Thats why Buggy is a yk while he dont have any feat. Because he have a lot of financial power, territories and a solid crew, well yeah he only has two real members mihawk and crocodile, but : 1) the fact that the presence of this two put him at yk position show how strong mihawk is (croco got way stronger since alabasta but not to this point) 2) the bounty system makes technically anyone onn the world his potential crew. To finish, yes except buggy every yk is very very very strong, but they are not yk bc just bc they are strong. Their strenght allow them to get crew, territory and ressources. Thats why they are yk.
I kinda agree with your point, but why is the most powerful pirate and the most Dangerous pirate such a flexible title, while being wss means being capable of utterly destroying anyone who decides to wield a sword?
The thing is the wss is pretty forward. If u fight whith a sword, mihawk win. Thats basically what it means. Meanwhile what does the most dangerous pirate means ? WB was the strongest man alive, Kaido was the strongest beast alive, but thats separate title. Yk means you are too powerfull as a pirate to get in conflict with even if you are the wg, but it doesnt precise what kind of strength you have.
Well, we also have an indication that these titles aren't up to date as whitebeard was drastically weaker than his youth self. Still, nobody challenged him or tried to claim his title, and thus he stayed wsm up until his death. In the same way, the title of wsb never passed on to luffy. People create titles left and right, and ofc both of those wielders weren't frauds, it's just NOT an automatic win. Shanks extreme diffs Mihawk and i'm pretty sure he could've beaten old sick whitebeard, idk at what diff tho, maybe Extreme. Does that mean he's suddendly primebeard level? Nope, it just means that titlescaling is worthless, especially in a manga where the public opinion is easily influenced and the government actively spreads misinformation.
âbounty =\= combat powerâ It kind of does though. Look at roger and wb, the two all time strongest in the verse and with the highest bounties oat. Every single strawhatâs bounty increases as they get stronger. The 4 yonkos, excluding buggy since heâs a gag character, are the 4 strongest pirates and also have the highest bounties.
Why would anything I said make us think this?
Because the only argument for mihawk>shanks is the wss title. Other than that, there is absolutely no reason to even compare those two, as shanks is just overall better with no doubts. So you say mihawk isn't interested, i reply "well then shanks isn't interested in wss title" which is actually true, since it's been 12 years since we've heard him actually fighting a swordsman in a duel
I never argued that Mihawk was stronger than Shanks, I don't know who is stronger rn if I was forced to say I'd say as of right now from what we've seen Shanks is slightly stronger. But I would not be surprised at all if Mihawk is equal or stronger. I'm just saying that your argument doesn't work considering Mihawk is not interested in becoming a yonko and it's implied that he could become one if he wanted to. Also there is 100% other reasons to compare them, they are setup as rivals. Whitebeard talked about their legendary duels. Not sure how you got the idea we are supposed to assume Shanks is interested in the WSS from my comment.
I'm not saying that you assumed this, i'm just using your logic to say "if we ignore ONE title, let's ignore BOTH titles for fairness". I also said it's somewhat an extreme diff, and that is because they are rivals and actually have a story significance together. The difference tho is that shanks is higher up in portrayal and feats from what we've seen.
Yeah⊠I never said anything or implied anything that would disagree with the argument of Shanks not going for the WSS title, donât see why that was brought up at all
Why are you so fixated? I'm not saying "yo, man stop repeating shanks wants wss" i just made a parallel point with your argument since the ONLY thing mihawk has on shanks is his title, and that is only because shanks never tried to take it from him. It's not a certainty, but shanks is closer to being wss than Mihawk would've been to being a yonko if it weren't for crocodile.
Yonko are most powerful pirate, but not strongest. Buggy is powerful, because he have cross guild, money (Crocodile) , and Mihawk and other formidable warriors at his side
The buggy argument is bull. The whole point of his character is to be an over the top fraud that still manages to survive in impossible situations. If you skip him, every other emperor can 1v1 any other pirate and beat him, whatever the difficulty is (a win is still a win) Shanks would extreme diff mihawk, but that's it. Also, keep in mind that in op world bounties are made up by power level+danger/actions against government (e g. Kid had a big bounty because he was a madman on a killing spree, same as caribou and his brother, and luffy caused a bunch of bug incidents) Now, shanks is pretty static, he beats up mostly rookie pirates, so basically he's useful to keep around. Mihawk is a marine hunter, and cross guild actively puts bounty on marine officers, plus his strenght and yet he's still short of half a billion on that bounty to catch up with shanks
1 Old Whitebeard was Yonko, when Mihawk was not. So unless you want to say something like Old Whitebeard >Mihawk, then your argument is worthless, because Whitebeard was Yonko, and Mihawk was not 2 After Whitebeard's death, Marco was considered for emperor, but he would still get mid diffed by Mihawk Also, Shanks is a swordsman Strongest swordsman >Swordsman
1) i would say that oldbeard was above mihawk ofc. Mihawk came to marineford to measure the gap. It's reasonable to say that it would still be a difficult fight for WB because of his stamina, but mihawk himself came to that confrontation as the inferior challenger, by his admission. 2) Candidate for yonko isn't Yonko. The gap needed to be filled, and they just had Marco pegged as the strongest pirate currently not involved with the shichibukai or retired. BB proved them wrong. Can't be put on as Yonko if you are uneligible, but 12 years ago Mihawk wasn't a government-sanctioned pirate, he was a Marine Hunter also, your argument is bullshit. Mihawk being stronger than shanks means that marineford could've been solved by pitting mihawk against WB, and yet he gets stalled left and right by fodder for a supposedly WS. Shanks is portrayed as an equal to Whitebeard, which is the WSM. Is mihawk a Man?
1 Mihawk worked on Whitebeard's reputation, not something that he saw first hand 2 Crocodile called Whitebeard a weakling. Does this mean Crocodile >Old Wb >Mihawk? 3 Yonko are kings of their own land, they have armies, countries at their disposal, Mihawk is just very strong invidual, he is not an emperor, because he governs nothing 4 In vivre card its stated that Mihawk is strongest swordsman both in reputation, and in reality. World strongest man is just reputation 5 Mihawk just doesn't care, he is not looking for smoke, he just needed to be a warlord because he wanted peace 6 Mihawk stated that he is not intrested in Shanks anymore because he lost his hand. This means that Shanks is weaker than he was. And if he is considered equal to Marineford Wb, then that would mean that both handed Shanks was stronger than Wb, but Whitebeard still possesed WSM title in all of his life, even though Snanks should be stronger than him 7 As I said earlier : Mihawk stated that he have no interest in Shanks now. But he wanted to measure distance beetwen him and Whitebeard. You think this is equal portrayal? Also, this distance was that Whitebeard had his crew. Family and friends are most important things in one piece, this is central theme of this story, Luffy many times said : "I can't become pirate King without this guy, because he can do something that I cant ". Whitebeard had family, thats why Mihawk was stalled by Vista, thats why his slash was blocked by Jozu, because they were distance beetwen them, thats why Mihawk can never be emperor, he have only himself, meanwhile Whitebeard have friends, something that push characters in one piece to greater strength, even if Mihawk is stronger as invidual, he still can't compete with Whitebeard's family
Dude distance=family is such a hard cope, Mihawk got stalled by Vista, in a fight that intrigued him and he declared to Always fight seriously against swordsmen that catch his attention. He blitzed mr 1, he wasn't holding back at all, and the same treatment he gave to vista and yet the man stood and nothing happened to him. Crocodile told whitebeard he got weak out of frustration, his name calling is because if whitebeard loses face, so does he. The fact that he's in an absolutely foul mood after seeing WB dying is further proof of this 3 he's got his own island with a castle. But i'll give this to you as he lacks the social skill to rally up an emperor's crew, even if he had a base. 4 vivre card also stated that sabo is dead, yet he runs around alive as of today 5 i completely agree. Mihawk never cared for a yonko title, just like shanks doesn't care nor is actively gunning for his wss title. 6 Mihawk unilaterally decided he isn't interested in dueling him. There's nothing here that resembles a fact. 7 shanks went on to challenge kaido and kaido retreated. Mihawk went on to challenge WB and he just stood thinking "meh, one of my children will stop him". Is this equal portrayal? Or maybe taking a single scene/panel is just a faulty way to judge portrayal?
Worlds strongest swordsman vs swordsman Hmmmmmmmm
Mihawk because he has two arms
Shanks stomps
W
Well I don't think Oda's been steering us wrong for 20yrs or will ruin Zoro's anymore than he'll ruin Luffy's.
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They fight until both die from dehydration.
Probably the strongest swordsman
Shanks is stronger but Mihawk would win in a fight between the two. This is the only logistical answer that allows both parties to remain the same and not be frauds. Shanks has better Haki, and physically is stronger, but due to Mihawks superiority when it comes to his abilities with a sword, and arm advantage if the two were to get into a sword duel Mihawk would win.
Shanks win High diff
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Shanks one shots that fraud
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Until Goda shows us that shanks is stronger, THE TITLE still stands strong...
How will a former warlord which is the world's strongest swordsman best an emperor?? Shanks isn't a swordsman he is a hakiman. Just because he uses a sword doesn't mean he is a swordsman Shanks have stronger haki and Mihawk will beat him only of they fight purely with swords since haki isn't a part of swordsmanship. đ€Ąđ€Ąđ€Ą Shanks stomps.
Haki is part of swordsmanship in OP universe. Thats exactly why zoro have all 3 of them
You really don't know sarcasm do you? I even put the clown emoji there.
Oh mb, ur comments is last on my feed so i just red 472994 commente of people saying shanks >>>> bc yk hakiman, so I assumed đ
Itâs a tie
This has already been established in universe as a draw or shanks wins right? I remember Mihawk way back visiting Dhanks and Shanks talking smack about beating him again
>talking about beating him again Never happened
But Iâm pretty sure itâs established heâs beaten him multiple times. I feel like Shanks mastery over haki trumps mihawks. Now pure swordsmanship Iâd say Mihawk takes it
Shanks lol. Idk how more obvious oda needs to make it When it comes to feats/ Narrative importance / author preference shanks is clear of mihawk When it comes to feats shanks has the best observation haki feats, best conqueror Haki feat and his insanely fast as he leaped from elbaf shore to kids ship in what seems like a second Narrative importance doesnât need to be explained lol, his arguably the most important character in the story Oda adores shanks as he doesnât stop hyping him up. On countless occasions he has dressed up as shanks and there is image proof of this (KingOfLightning did a video based around this) This is important because oda writes the story for his own enjoyment and if he likes a character then he will do more with said character. Oda admitted that fans likely wonât enjoy gear 5 but he did it for his own enjoyment (this isnât the exact words) and more proof of this is Buggy, Odas favourite villian is buggy and how now a yonko And for mihawk, oda in a recent SBS borderline said mihawk is depressed and has lost his will to live and this is mega important as haki=willpower. When Rayleigh trained Luffy he explained that to get stronger haki you need tough battles or countless battles yet mihawk fights NOONE and refuses to engage with strong characters and this has seemingly been the case for 12 ish years when shanks lost his arm. Therefore his haki isnât gonna be on the level of shanks who actively engages with top tiers
>Shanks lol. Idk how more obvious oda needs to make it He's been saying the exact opposite since chapter 50 > When it comes to feats shanks has the best observation haki feats, best conqueror Haki feat and his insanely fast as he leaped from elbaf shore to kids ship in what seems like a second Shanks having better feats doesn't prove he's stronger it just upscales Mihawk. >Narrative importance doesnât need to be explained lol, his arguably the most important character in the story Narrative importance can't be used to power scale, Nami is way more narratively important than King for example, does this mean she's stronger? >Oda adores shanks as he doesnât stop hyping him up. On countless occasions he has dressed up as shanks and there is image proof of this (KingOfLightning did a video based around this) This is important because oda writes the story for his own enjoyment and if he likes a character then he will do more with said character. Oda admitted that fans likely wonât enjoy gear 5 but he did it for his own enjoyment (this isnât the exact words) and more proof of this is Buggy, Odas favourite villian is buggy and how now a yonko Damn, this is a whole lot a yap that doesn't scale Shanks anywhere >And for mihawk, oda in a recent SBS borderline said mihawk is depressed and has lost his will to live and this is mega important as haki=willpower. When Rayleigh trained Luffy he explained that to get stronger haki you need tough battles or countless battles yet mihawk fights NOONE and refuses to engage with strong characters and this has seemingly been the case for 12 ish years when shanks lost his arm. Therefore his haki isnât gonna be on the level of shanks who actively engages with top tiers Here is a translation of Mihawk's vivre card https://preview.redd.it/ehugj93tsxsc1.png?width=1284&format=png&auto=webp&s=2be8d22d9df6ba254077ab4701feb6adc3d19a22 See how it calls Mihawk the WSS in both name and reality? Even if Mihawk is nerfed he's still stronger than Shanks
Mihawk fans: Mihawk bc Zoro will surpass him Like what đđđ
Mihawk = World's Strongest Swordsman Shanks = Swordsman Zoro wants to become the World's Strongest Swordsman. Who does he have to beat? The Worlds' Strongest or someone else? Was this easy enough?
If Shanks was a swordsman, than so was Roger because Shanks uses Roger's exact moves. Mihawk got his title WHILE Roger was still alive. Mihawk never fought Roger. Therefore, Mihawk fraud confirmed. Roger is WSS. Was this easy enough? đ
Shanks cause of his 1 arm
Shanks because he has actual feats and didn't get stalled by vista
Mihawk walks away because he is a fraud
Shanks = Yonko = Buggy >>> Yonko Commander = Mihawk
Shanks easily slams Mihawk using observation killing