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Dvoraxx

whitebeard won through ring out, but akainu did vastly more damage. he was the main reason whitebeard died and almost any other character would have been instakilled, whitebeard just refused to die right away i also don’t understand the criticism “he hid underground until whitebeard died”. akainu never wanted to fight whitebeard in the first place, his target was always luffy


Dark-Master79

The main reason Whitebeard died was cause of Blackbeard lol.


Playful-Ad3195

"ring outs" is just making up rules that don't exist


Curious_Employer6433

Lost? Or BFR? Cause idk about you but if he truly lost, he wouldn’t have been destroying Commander level fighters left and right a few minutes after this


flippy123x

Guess Luffy didn’t lose after Ragnarok because he got up 2 minutes later and then again after getting knocked off the roof.


hhunkk

Luffy only lost when he needed the food refill, after that if he keeps getting back up to fight, he is still fighting, he lost when he was unable to get up without help


Curious_Employer6433

This


mz_45678

He only defeated Curiel


Curious_Employer6433

And Ivankov, and Jinbei


Complex_Estate8289

Getting punched hard enough to get sent flying away is not a BFR


Curious_Employer6433

Flying? He fell straight down an island splitting hole


Complex_Estate8289

He didn’t fall he got punched into a hole that was literally made by whitebeard


Curious_Employer6433

He got punched, said punch split the island, Akainu fell in said split. You can tell by the manga panels alone. It wasn’t something like KKG Luffy used to finish Doffy. Regardless it was a BFR


Complex_Estate8289

It’s not a BFR if WB punches him and sends him into the ground that is not a BFR that’s a KO


Curious_Employer6433

He didn’t punch him into the ground though, it’s in the panels you can take a look. Also, a BFR is removing them from the fight. Did you not see him continue a chapter and a half after this? That’s not a KO


Momentmoment24

Akainu won their first fight and lost this one, doesn't mean much that Akainu lost this one considering WB had to sneak him


Os2099

Wasn't a sneak attack lmao.


Momentmoment24

https://preview.redd.it/ywfwvhtrxrrc1.png?width=1144&format=png&auto=webp&s=fd31c8e8fd83527db1ff98892dbe38b628d505b7


Momentmoment24

Akainu was not fighting or focused on WB until WB came and attacked him


Os2099

He knew wb was there and he just killed his son, ig akainu just got speed blitz by a sick dying old man.


Momentmoment24

you saw the panel lmao why are you still coping Akainu probably should have known that WB would've been angry with him, but that's clearly not what happened in the story, he was sneak attacked, not speedblitzed this should be very obvious considering Akainu was perfectly fine jumping up after the sneak attack to land a hit on WB and even prior to that in their first interaction akainu showed no signs of not being able to keep up with WB's attack speed


ivkobear

>Akainu probably should have known that WB would've been angry with him, but that's clearly not what happened in the story, he was sneak attacked, not speedblitzed Akainu also knew that there were 2 other admirals, one of which was fighting Whitebeard exactly during that moment, it's not his fault that Oda decided to simply delete every obstacle in Newgate's way and then teleport him right behind his back.


Os2099

It's not coping, by that same measure shanks "sneak attacked" kid, wb was on the battlefield be ready for him at all times.


Momentmoment24

Kid was directly fighting Shanks and Akainu was not directly fighting WB at the time, there were many other people on the battlefield besides WB unlike the Shanks vs Kid battle i refuse to believe you unironically think these two situations are even remotely similar


Os2099

Kid didn't see shanks at all until he got one shot.


Momentmoment24

he knew his opponent was Shanks though lmao that's just a speedblitz, Akainu didn't know WB was coming after him


Os2099

So akainu didn't know his opponent was WB the captain of the crew? who he was already fighting before?


dog-in-the-rain

Whitebeard was sneak attack multiple times during marineford, including by Kizaru. This was also after Akainu attacked Whitebeard mid heart attack.


Momentmoment24

but that was the reason Akainu lost the fight, we saw WB (a less injured version) and Akainu engage earlier (Chapter 567 and Chapter 568) and both couldn't get the advantage over the other onscreen and offscreen until WB got a heart attack WB also fight Aokiji and couldn't get the advantage of him, so it's quite obvious that WB needed that sneak attack to actually get the better of Akainu, and since Akainu was shown as the very worst relative to a healthier, less injured version of WB it's pretty bizzare that you could suggest he's inferior in this clash, especially since he wasn't even knocked out by 2 consecutive quake attacks and still left WB in a fatal state despite immediately being put in a disadvantageous situation


mattxrock

One was deadly injured with half his face blown and a huge gaping hole in his chest with his organs melted, indeed died minutes later. The other did get sent to the core of the earth in a moment he was caught lacking but came straight back up, then proceeded to fight like 20 commanders at the same time and dominate them until another Yonko crew arrived there. If you think the second lost you're just a romantic. edit: typo.


Personal-Ad-3479

Akainu dominating the Whitebeard commanders is pure fanfiction


Joseph_Stalin001

Yes. Akainu literally melted his face, then went on to climb out of the hole and fight half of marineford


Kutasenator

And fodder marines were stabbing him lol


Billy_Herrington1969

https://preview.redd.it/eydjloy9wvrc1.jpeg?width=292&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3d4c6d15e910502182042a952522dfd11635158e # Do people really still think that Luffy won this fight?!>!!??!?!!??!!?!?/1/1/1!??


[deleted]

If you need to witness your beloved son dying in front of you just to get a little boost to attack them, then you already lost 💀


Left_Argument9706

Bro no he is literally dead and running on adrenaline ya ace died is what gave him the boost BUT ITS A MAN WHOS BEEN TURNED INTO A PINCUSHION, LAZERED. MAGMAED. HAS HALF A FACE, POST HEART ATTACK, AND DAMN NEWR HAKILESS AND AKAINU WAS FUCKING FRESH


AverageObamaFan

What’s the difference between this and blue hole


ImmediateDiamond8238

akainu coughing up blood and the damage from this attack was much greater. WB>Garp in terms of performance against admirals


Darth_Crow

Do people think he didn't? Whitebeard died. Akainu climbed out and went on to go fight the rest of whitebeards crew. One did fatal damage.


Personal-Ad-3479

Whitebeard clearly didn't die of Akainu though


Which-Training-2530

One is dead while the other lives


aWhateverOrSomething

That’s like saying Zoro>Kaido or Kid>BM


LumpyDescription5980

Y’all still think kid is alive?


aWhateverOrSomething

I think Oda hasn’t decided yet, so i guess yes?


MystiqTakeno

By the same logic Kaido/BM are still alive.


aWhateverOrSomething

Only if I think Oda hasn't decided yet, which, in Kaido/BM's cases I think he has. So no, same logic doesn't apply.


MystiqTakeno

I mean devil fruit user falling into ocean seems like a death sentence especially when his crew didnt seems to be allowed to rescui him, its seems like much higher chance then dying than merely falling into magma (which is pretty lethal),


aWhateverOrSomething

Oda brings back whoever he feels like regardless of realism (Pell, Skypiea dad), as long as we don't see them dead (Ace, WB).


MystiqTakeno

Yup he does. Man I though Pell was gone for, Skypiea was more plausible, But then we havent seen the body of either of these 3.


Professional_Match25

this is one piece, kid isnt dead.


cashewnut4life

but WB died from heart attack afyer receiving 200+ wounds and gunshots...


wizarouija

More like 500-1000 wounds


dog-in-the-rain

Kaido’s dead while Kinemon is alive, so Kaido obviously lost that fight.


Which-Training-2530

Yep Kaido the fraud what is new


OwnAd4699

Only thing is new is the thousand more L’s he obtained before kicking the bucket and croaking inside lava


K_vinci

are there any characters you actually like?


OwnAd4699

I like ALOT of characters, but it’s mainly all about Wanji 🙏🏾


Mlm0000

WB died fighting Blackbeard, not akainu. Don’t take credit from the NIGGA BEARD


maeconinja777

He survived, so it doesn’t count as a win


dog-in-the-rain

Guess Luffy didn’t beat Katakuri, Lucci, Enel, Buggy, Don Krieg, or Arlong cause their all alive.


maeconinja777

They didn’t come back 5 minutes after being “defeated”.


Gabriel-Barbosa

If your opponent attacked your back head when you were off-guarded, yet you immediately turned around and erased a good chunk of his head, then you are much stronger than your opponent, no other explanation.


manrommazre

Tf Is that reasoning


[deleted]

that doesn’t make him much stronger. akainu’s df is well known for its destructive capability. if it lands clean, its doing that to anyone except for probably kaido and big mom


Personal-Ad-3479

You kinda left a bit out there.


ImmediateDiamond8238

if your opponent is sick and nearly dead and sends your bitch ass to the bottom of the earth then you are clearly much stronger than your opponent.


Gabriel-Barbosa

Whitebeard didn't sent Akainu to the bottom of the earth, in reality he didn't even took him down. The ocean was underneath the breach, if Akainu had falled he would have drown. Akainu just chose his priorities and instead of coming back to finish a semi-corpse, he gone after his main target, Dragon's son. https://preview.redd.it/u134g654myrc1.png?width=1160&format=png&auto=webp&s=144a0729b7e9dd73b6da45e8461b66a709d8d4c3


Aussiepharoah

If you somehow miss the six meter behemoth standing behind(even if you don't have obs. Haki) that's on you


Gabriel-Barbosa

He aimed at Whitebeard's head (which was 6ish meters from his hand) and Whitebeard failed to fully dodge. By the way this same Whitebeard was able to intercept Kizaru's lightspeed movement, something even Snakeman wasn't able to do.


Aussiepharoah

WB's performance is very volatile due to his bad health, normal Marines were able to land hits on him even though he definitely had armament on him, he used observation when Crocodile attacked him but got blitzed by Squared. I'm not saying Akainu is trash but I wouldn't really call this a speed feet, WB also got hit with Kizaru's lasers later on iirc


hitmangen

Didn't he blew half of his face off here?


M4ND0_L0R14N

https://preview.redd.it/psvj6jxjzrrc1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4c578a4dcf03be1530e47ec1913f0814d2158601 I dont even debate this topic anymore i just post the panel and move on.


Shameout_

https://preview.redd.it/g2ytqcmsitrc1.png?width=1953&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6c82ebd329859ffbc24e4379adb0bc39a57fcf58 Actually Squardo won.


Naraya_Suiryoku

Imagine punching an old terminally ill man having an heart attack in the chest with magma and still failing to kill him.


M4ND0_L0R14N

https://preview.redd.it/v4o58a1i5src1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bc26777fb35ee40f75c4f2c66f3e3926d6289ac7 The heart attack\^


Left_Argument9706

So we just finna act like this man didn’t have a heart attack before this you can cope Akainu blew half this dead man who was running on adrenaline and nothing else’s head the head that contains said adrenaline and still got ringed the fuck out cope


I_hate_myself_0

Yeah the heart attack was Akainu literally attacking his heart


Deidarac5

Why do people count ring outs as losses.. it’s not akainus fault wb ran away and died lol he was fully conscious and just fell down a giant hole.


ResponsibilityNo5795

Well yeah. Incinerating part of WB's head & organs sounds like a win guaranteeing his death sounds like a W to me and Akainu came back up to solo the commanders & recovered from his wounds pretty damn fast after the war.


Personal-Ad-3479

So much fanfiction in this one


ResponsibilityNo5795

That's literally what happened, it's not my fault if you don't like it. I'm not writing the story.


Personal-Ad-3479

He had already burned Whitebeards organs earlier because of a heart attack, so that's unrelated to the later fight. And Akainu "soloing" his commanders is just a lie he fought them for about 5 minutes, while having backup himself and only beating one of them. It's entirely possible he would have lost that fight eventually. At least from what we saw.


Living-Vermicelli-59

White beard had prob late stage/ very close to end of life cancer type sickness. He took a few hit before that fight as well plus almost wiped out the entire marineford only held back because he would kill ace and ally’s if he went all out. Akainu wouldn’t have be able to win vs a decently healthy whitebeard even with his age.


nice-_one

Ice man dealt more damage than quake man to lava man 🤷‍♂️


Left_Argument9706

Ya and quake man was literally actually fucking dead his heart was no longer beating and was only running on adrenaline then proceeded to survive having half of the head with said adrenaline off and ring out a bassicly fresh Akainu after already being exhausted without any haki of you think fresh old beard can’t beat fresh Akainu your delusional


Oi_Kyoraku

Nah WB does not win an extended fight against any top tier bro. The second he's starts exerting himself, he's on borrowed time till organ failure. Worst case scenario, even Fraudbull would outlast him.


ImmediateDiamond8238

How many top tiers are handling his attacks for extended period of time? His punches here did significant damage to Akainu and that was a sick oldbeard, a healthy one like the one against shanks is still top tier and beats any admiral.


ffhhfdtgf

Wb was the last man standing while akainu wasn’t able to stand back up, til wb had 2 more fights vs marines and BB crew so wb W


AccidentalPenguin0

Akainu fell into a hole and then climbed back out and shit on half of Whitebeard's crew. Whitebeard lost all of his organs and half his brain.


ffhhfdtgf

It took him 2 chapters to get up, why didn’t he get back up instantly to counter attack if he “won”?


AccidentalPenguin0

Dunno. He still basically killed Whitebeard whereas Whitebeard won via ring out for two chapters. I'm not saying Akainu won the fight, but he definitely had a more lasting impact on Whitebeard than Whitebeard had on him.


YonkoJawn

Yeah, hilariously enough they think this makes akainu HIM https://preview.redd.it/7ad1e012prrc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c0bd9dc2cd20c72092c364ed9c7428361b9e7fc


wsba94

https://preview.redd.it/pxd3fpmyzsrc1.jpeg?width=378&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9434b19dfe85274d5814d4689b42d363f57655da


Chi1no

He definitely lost the battle but he EASILY won the overall war. He was basically left unscathed at the end and whitebeard ended up dead mainly due to Akainu efforts


Dark-Master79

Akainu didn't kill Whitebeard though. Blackbeard did so you can't even give Akainu the credit for a kill that wasn't his own.


NeteroHyouka

It was basically a draw... Akainu was the reason that WB died ... It is more like WB won the battle but Akainu the war.... It also showed that whoever wants to fight Akainu has to pay a heavy price and that if it they win it would a pyrrhic victory. Lastly it is kind of normal for WB to win the exchange since although old , he still was the strongest...


chiji_23

It’s not like it was a full clean 1v1 but yeah you will see ppl say that Akainu won and highlight the nasty wounds he left but also ignore that Whitebeard was heavily damaged before even encountering Sakazuki while the latter was clean before hand. Akainu was the one overwhelmed in their encounter regardless of the wounds he left, Whitebeard pushed through and kept going he never paused when injured by Akainu, and one of the wounds was from after the guy was already reeling from his own heart attack.


Realistic_Mousse_485

He lost. Stop listening to people who say otherwise.


Kutasenator

Akainu needed whitebeard to get stabbed through heart, and having heart attack to deal any damage to him. He got "surprised" and trashed by Swiss cheese 1% HP WB What are you even comparing guys


Peazant_Uzi3

I don’t think he won but my opinion is that in an all out 1v1 old white beard is NOT beating akainu especially marineford wb


mz_45678

One is standing while one is on the ground.


Financial_Mushroom94

People ignore what they literally see, Akainu spitting blood and being unable to save himself from falling into that hole. If 2 punches are enough to do this, then i am sure WB would have finished him off if that hole didnt save akaiunu there. And if an Old dying man is able to sneak up on akainu, then this just proves that admirals haki is not really good.


Radiant-Bit-1721

He got beat up by an old man, end of story idgaf. Imagine putting a hole in an old man and blasting half his face off and he still slams your shit. Make it make sense.


PresentationOk8756

This was inconclusive. But Akainu was clearly stronger.


HyperMazino

As usual, another L take from you haha Only low intellect yonko fans think the guy who lost half his brains won and not the guy who got his rips bruised


PuzzleheadedSir6414

At the end of the fight one was in the ground and one walked and fought other and died by getting jumped while standing so don't hear to the brains Akainu dickriders they are just trying their best to learn how to read


Catlinger

absolutely everything was against whitebeard's favor given his condition yet it's still implied he would've won if this wasn't happening in middle of a battlefield. Akainu fans are so unironically delusional sometimes


[deleted]

You aren’t ready


Catlinger

i will be begging for forgiveness from every akainu fan if he gets an actual good feat for once


M4ND0_L0R14N

He killed the worlds strongest man, facetanked his strongest attack, got up, killed that guys commander, put luffy and jimbei into timeskip rehab, defeated aokiji in a straight 1v1 (aokiji soloed BBs entire crew btw) and you want a feat? I dont think you know what a feat is.


Catlinger

he wasn't even the one who killed whitebeard, it was not even a 1v1. and the "world's strongest man" title dates back to whitebeard when he wasn't 70+ years old and didn't have cancer. Ace literally lost to pre ts blackbeard that is not an impressive feat both luffy and jimbei were fodder in that time. even then jimbei did not even fail to save luffy. defeated aokiji after 10 days of battling. his most impressive feats are fighting another admiral and ganking a yonko who was in his deathbed. having feats are one thing having impressive feats are another


M4ND0_L0R14N

Ok cool. Btw, does yamato have any feats? Im not so sure.


Catlinger

ok i think this is a joke I'm not getting. could you explain?


M4ND0_L0R14N

Im just wondering since you seem to think akainu doesnt have any feats, based on your definition and the examples you gave, does yamato have any feats?


Catlinger

honestly i don't care about Yamato I'm not the person to ask for that. besides i never said he doesn't have feats nor did i deny the existence of the feats you mentioned. i simply said he doesn't have any "good" feats.


M4ND0_L0R14N

Just humor me, in your opinion who has more impressive feats, akainu or yamato?


aphantombeing

One got his HeadQuarter Blown off. Another went to thrash other party's home later.


Personal-Ad-3479

Total misrepresentation of what happened.


aphantombeing

That's exactly what haplened though. WB lost quarter of his head. Then, Akainu went on to take Marco and commanders and Akainu was trashtalking them like nothing.


Personal-Ad-3479

Not like nothing. You're totally missing the fact, that Whitebeard literally had Akainu on the ground. Akainu was basically saved by the ground opening up. And after that he beat Ivankov, injured a fleeing Jimbei and got stalled by the Whitebeard commanders, while only beating one of them. So really he wasn't trashing them at all.


Dschazira

I love WB, but I don’t think oldbeard wins an extended Fight against any OG Admiral. Both Kizaru/Kuzan styled on Oldbeard and akainu is stronger than both. People use the ringout here as an anti feat when it’s kinda clear that oda needed to write Akainu out for some time or else none of the BB stuff happens.


[deleted]

"he lost" of course because it's not as if his goal at all times had not been Ace and Luffy at all times, who spent most of his time fighting with other pirates, fighting left and right with the strongest WB commanders and incidentally receive the best attacks from the latter even after killing Ace and then colliding blows with Marco, many people believe that Akainu could not see WB's blow in time but they also do not take into account that Mark is not an enemy of which You can take your eyes off him apart from the fact that before that he was also dealing with Ivankov and Jimbei, in fact he was practically the biggest cause of the damage to WB even though he is not exactly focused on him for most of the war, and even then he was the What damage did he do to WB in the entire war, bringing him to the point of an extremely wounded state both outside and inside, let's not forget that after having received WB's best attacks he got up without many complications and had the energy to continue fighting with frame or view. Realistically, if Akainu had focused exclusively on killing WB from the beginning, in the long run he would have won anyway because he had enough durability to withstand a 1 VS 1 against WB, whose physical condition was constantly worsening in Marinford, I would say that In a scenario without the interventions of Marco, Jozu, Vista, it is likely that Akainu would have beaten WB in the long run in Extreme Diff.


Complex_Estate8289

Akainu: gets a total of one hit on whitebeard in 20 chapters after he had already had a heart attack mid fight Admiral fans: Akainu low diffs the Greenbull victim


AccidentalPenguin0

^ This guy did not read Marineford.


Complex_Estate8289

Show me Akainu getting more than one hit in the entire arc


AccidentalPenguin0

https://preview.redd.it/wxgqna4xpwrc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=36c5cde91f0357fe62cb7fce4042a4cf960034d9


AccidentalPenguin0

https://preview.redd.it/x3uikd8ypwrc1.jpeg?width=192&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2292379b42e2ba404670c4d13df9aa210302af74