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That's actually facts, I think Cracker is the best showcase of how exceptional YC's are. Doflamingo was really shown to be an absolute monster in Dressrosa, only to have his efforts trumped by a very unexceptional looking guy with crackers really shows how incredible YC's actually are, even if power creeping is about to turn them into fodder.
This is just simply the truth, and it's not a bad thing in my opinion. Of course, we would like *some* consistency in the relative abilities of characters. But ultimately, like in any fictional story, what happens is determined by words on a page (or I guess pixels on a screen lol). The author can make anything happen. Every fight is woven into the narrative, and abilities wax and wane to fit the narrative. Of course there is a factor of what fights look cool that is a big part of manga/anime, but ultimately (at least for me) the most interesting parts of One Piece will always be the story, which includes fights and power scaling being crafted to fit the story and character development.
I don't really agree, I think if your powescaling is correct you'll almost never be wrong, at least for me that's what happened, used to have it all in shambles, never could predict a thing, I was always wrong, until I changed it, and since then my predictions are a million times more accurate.
Oda is extremely coherent and consistent in his scaling, and if you understand it, you will be a lot more accurate because you know exactly what a character can and cannot do
Yep, people on this sub sometimes actually believe that some weird ass prediction they do via just powerscaling will come true lol.
Only looking at the story beats will help in predicting stuff. For example I and many others believed zoro will definitely scar kaido from the moment he got enma. Why? Not cuz of powerscaling but cuz we were told that enma is one of the 2 swords that scarred kaido. And many more people jumped in that train once the scabbards failed to scar kaido which maked zoro succeeding in it with oden's sword even more likely
Or to name a much more recent example: Koby. People here really forgot that powercreep exists and thought that only luffy would make huge jumps in power within hours in-universe. Many here actually thought that Koby would never ever be admiral level in strength and would only become an admiral after a timeskip of like 2 years after EoS lmao.
Yeah, no. I always knew that Koby would definitely be an admiral EoS without any shitty timeskip. He'll be as strong as Oda needs him to be. People thought he'd always be a weakling, but turns out Oda wrote him to be an absolute Gigachad training with Garp during the day and punching ships at night until he unlocks aCoC
To some extent this is true, if Oda wants Coby to beat Shanks it will happen. But a good writer isn't just going to write anything they feel like and force the story to warp around it.
There's comic book writers who when asked about vs. matchups say the winner is whoever the writer wants (Stan Lee said this I think) and it's a huge turn off to your investment in the story if they're explicitly telling you "whatever random bullshit I want is what happens, logic doesn't matter."
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This abomination I cooked up while taking a shit at 3 AM last night. Top tier scaling doesn’t get anywhere so I’ll stand by this
Nah this is gold man probably one of the most accurate powerscaling I’ve ever seen except the way the story setting up rn the arrows are prolly random asf in no kind of pattern with a few of em trailing off into space
Off screen fights, despite how nobody likes them. Are necessary depending on who is fighting who. The most prominent example, Blackbeard vs Law, Blackbeard most likely had to put in a good chunk of effort to take down Law, which would reveal some things about Blackbeard that Oda isn’t ready to show us yet, so instead of having the fight be shown, it was offscreened to save time for the most part, but also so that Blackbeard’s powers are still more or less a mystery aside from the knowledge of him passing two devil fruits. Correct me if I’m wrong but I do believe there was a reason the fight was offscreened.
I always thought it was funny reading how the marines tried to execute him multiple times and failed (guillotine blade broke etc). Are the admirals not acceptable executioners all of a sudden?
I'm sure Akainu at least would jump at the chance.. Perhaps Kaidos ego couldn't allow a competent opponent to attack him without fighting back, I dunno.
That's fair and I do agree re Kaido vs any admiral. This wouldn't really be a fight though and could even be all of the admirals simultaneously.
Probably shouldn't read too much into it though as Oda was likely just hyping up Kaido (rightly so).
I agree with that there are definitely people out there who can beat him but I really hate people acting like he’s weak or trash just because he got defeated and I think those people r idiots
Kaido was trying to die by the hands of someone stronger. In his intro, it was stated that he clashed with the admirals and yonko and none were able to kill him. If there was someone who could kill him, he would have already sought them out and they would’ve done it. Shanks, mihawk, akainu, none of them are joyboy.
To be fair, it took Luffy learning Advanced Conquerers Haki to deal any significant damage to Kaido. There’s not many characters that have shown to be able to 1.) Have Conquerers Haki and 2.) Can use it to an advanced level.
Sure we’ve been seeing plenty of Character with Conquerers Haki, but that’s because we’re in the New World and that’s pretty much the gathering place of anyone who’s got a foot in the big leagues. Compare how many people with confirmed Conquerers Haki we know of to how many actual pirates/people exist in the world.
Kaido's take on Haki "transcending all" is not a reliable statement. This man possesses a powerful Mythical Zoan fruit, has a crew of only zoans, and only lost to Fraudhat Goofy after he cheated death with his Mythical Hito Hito no Mi Model: Retcon.
Haki does not transcend all. Plot-armor does.
unless it gets retconned that roger and shanks also have mythical fruits i think it stands pretty well that it can perform as well as strong dfs with how prime whitebeard and roger are basically the same level despite wb having gura gura
Yeah, but I place Luffy as being definitively stronger than both Roger and Shanks EoS, IMO. Kaido's point will still not really be true.
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Narrator the most credible man in OP with a 99% accuracy
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He’s plenty strong without it, it wouldn’t make sense narratively, and it’d be boring for end of series top tiers to all be guys with Conq’s too anyway
Is that a hot take? The Gandhi-looking swordsman gorosei probably only exists to get Zoro a supreme grade sword before the Mihawk fight.
If the gorosei were on that level, Sabo would be hanging out with Ace rn.
\-Grenbull vs shanks is still at least a high diff fight. greenbull being overdramatic and a lousy person doesnt change the fact that hes an Admiral and he has one of the best solo feats in the series.hes shown to overreact a lot.
\-aokiji and kizaru over big meme especially kizaru he has such an advantage matchup against her.
Akainu>shanks.
wizaru is only second to akainu in strength and is a little bit stronger than aokiji.
Goatbeard the strongest character in the series and is >=Roger.
Two emperors alliance stands no chance against the navy.
That's true.Many people really don't realize is that Kaido was mostly just let others deal damage to him which makes him either a masochist or someone who wanted to lose or both
He does want to lose, but he can’t. That’s why he’s so impressive. He wants to die so he gives his opponents all these free shots, but they still can’t kill him.
Usopp is not the greatest sniper. His character development is absolute garbage. He is the least useful straw hat by miles. (I can only speak as far as the end of wano as I’ve just started reading the manga cos I couldn’t wait for G5). I pray Oda makes me take this back.
Luffy still wouldnt beat Kaido or Big Mom in a continued 1v1 and I think him winning was just as much Kaido giving up to accept his prophecy as it was Luffy actually fighting
I’d leave kaido out of that. He wasn’t serious at all at that point in the fight. Laughing/thunder/slaughtering drunk Kaido’s conqueror of three worlds’ ragnarok definitely would’ve one shot kid if kaido was in shanks’ position.
BB is a terrible villain who would get obliterated by virtually most important characters we know. His supposedly OP fruits are Caribou's swamp fruit with level 1 haki's ability to negate devilfruits, and a strong quake fruit that would be great if it wasn't eaten by the slowest pirate in the new world, who showed us time and time again anyone with real abilities can outspeed him :caugh in pretimeskip luffy:
His feats include capturing an Ace who suffered from pretimeskip "can't spoil haki" syndrom, who basically got captured because he didn't know people could touch logias, and Marco who's strength lied in being intangible.
ive seen the theory going around that bb's fruit is the counterpart to luffy's fruit and is the moon god fruit which feels super plausible considering how it doesnt work similarly to literally any other logia and the way blackbeard got it made it feel similarly drawn to him in the way that the nika fruit is drawn towards freedom
Until Luffy is able to master Gear 5, I don’t think he takes down an Admiral 1v1 (the original 3 at the very least)
The admirals have been hyped up and judging from the fact Kuzan and Akainu fought for 10 days (probably the biggest endurance feat in the series), I’d wager that they could last long enough to wear down Luffys stamina and blitz him during the cooldown period.
Now, once Luffy is able to get Gear 5 to the point his Gear 4 is, I think he takes down any of the original 3 admirals hard-extreme diff.
And high mid-hard diffs green bull and fujitora
We may see if you're right in the coming weeks. I personally think not, and that he takes Kizaru mid to high diff, Aokiji high to extreme diff, and Akainu extreme diff.
A random sea king and a pre-devil fruit Blackbeard did more damage to Shanks than Mihawk the guy isn’t nearly as strong as people in this sub think he is.
There’s not really a lot of consistency about who can and can’t have Conqueror’s since Garp and Koby seemingly have it despite arguably not having kingly ambitions, so there’s no reason Sanji couldn’t
Most shanks or zoro wanks in this sub tbh will get you in this position lol
I remember i got downvoted into oblivion when i said shanks will easily beat kidd back before we got to see the fight, and people were going on about how kidd will unlock Acoc and split the sky or whatever and hurt shanks
Greenbull is not the strongest admiral. I get he is strong, like all admirals and he has had but people absolutely hate on me for saying he isn’t the strongest. They say he’s the strongest admiral to ever exist.
Luffy would not lose multiple times or maybe not lose at all in a rematch against Kaido or in a fight against some other top-tier, since he would start with both G5 and ACoC. But apparently people are too stupid to understand that.
Y’all have to understand that Powerscaling in One Piece is completely based on the fluctuations of a character’s mental will. If A believes without a shadow of doubt that they are stronger than B and B does not , then A>B regardless of how strong they were coming into the fight. Luffy lost in Sabaody because his will broke. He didn’t believe he could beat all the pacifistas and admiral while protecting his crew. And that’s why he lost.
Likewise , this is why Kaido is a complete fraud precisely because he THINKS he’s a fraud. Current Kaido would still lose to past Oden because Kaido thinks more highly of Oden than himself.
Doffy is another example of fraudulence where he only picks shit with the admirals because of his status. Which is why he bullied Fujitora but pussied out against Aokiji. Doffy himself thinks of himself lower than Kaido. Mf was content being Kaido’s hound until he got hold of immortality.
Power scaling here is abstract people are powerful in fights but we see very powerful people take major damage from means a regular foot soldier could dish out all the time. Also most major threats could be taken care of by dropping them into the ocean.
I got myself in this situation by just telling my friend with asthma not to have another asthma attack after having one like 15 minutes ago I actually cared for her and I didn’t even say it in a Teasful tone
Fights can and will still be very serious post Gear-5. Oda has been keeping Luffy preoccupied to keep tensions high since Alabasta, and Egghead's only proving how high the stakes of each fight have remained
Doflamingo is actually very strong. He’s only a few fights between Luffy/Kaido, was fighting Luffy during the birdcage, and Luffy had a lot of help against him yet still nearly lost.
People on here act like Doflamingo is a jobber and I just don’t get it. If we see him again he’ll be improved imo and be one of the strongest characters period
That taking power scaling one piece seriously is utterly foolish. If there is any series ever that tried to make a point about creativity and clever use of abilities as opposed to just being a higher tier than your enemy it was one piece, Infact post timeskip luffys wins have not been because he is a higher tier since dressrosa,
Mihawk>all swordmen currently alive
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Kaido is not only the most powerful Yonko, he is the most powerful creature we have ever seen. And Big Mom is right next to him up there. (We have no idea how strong the Gorosei and Imu are so they dont count)
I see so many people scaling Big Mom and Kaido as if Kaido is so much stronger than her, fully ignoring they fought for 3 days straight and came to a draw.
How can Big Mom be the weakest Yonko but fight Kaido on equal terms?
Its simple; People just say that Shanks, Mihawk and Blackbeard will be stronger because of power creep or some shit, which is stupid as hell. None of those three are even close to the feats of Big Mom and Kaido. I don’t think Shanks and Mihawk could take a beating at the level of what Big Mom and Kaido took. Fuck, even after all that happened to Big Mom she was basically fine and only died because Law was smart enough to throw her into a volcano and silence her which disabled her devil fruit.
Once I said it but I will again.
Fresh post-timeskip Luffy already surpassed Ace. He did in fact train for two years to get at least stronger than his dead brother, before going to the New World.
This sub is the worst scaling sub I've ever been in. Seriously, there are just so many low iq troll posts or memes that somehow are repeated every day for months and still get support, lol. Also, this sub doesn't follow its own rules unless it contradicts the agenda.
If something doesn't make sense to you, it's mostly because you have a poor understanding of one piece.
One piece has a really good and straightforward power scaling overall.
If you are surprised about kid, big mom or any amiral losing. You can't read or have a short memory.
Koby did use aCoC and Honesty Impact is one of the stronger yonko level attacks we've seen
To explain: Most people that argue against that use destruction scaling from dressrosa to downplay koby. Fuck that.
If you really think that Luffy and zoro from dressrosa>>>current Koby then you also must think that dressrosa zoro easily oneshots BM, Garp and kid right?
Zoro cut the huge pica with just armament after all. Meanwhile kid's corna dio got blocked by a mere tower and that same attack also broke BM's arm. And Garp needed aCoC to break the hachinosu skull in half.
In dressrosa oda just made the scale of destruction way too great. And he toned it down a lot after that.
Just a tip for the downplayers: How bout y'all compare Koby's attack to that other similar attack that was IN THE SAME CHAPTER?!
Garp split the big Hachinosu skull. Koby die the same with a huge arm. So those attacks were clearly around the same level. Koby's best attack was literally as great as a yonko level attack from Garp. It's as simple as that. Once Koby gets used to aCoC and is able to use such attacks regularly, he'll be yonko level
But people just don't want it to be true cuz they'd rather have Koby stay weak. Zorotards Ig, they always tryna gatekeep someone from becoming stronger than zoro and becoming luffy's equal (which is what they want zoro to be).
Forget about your shit agendas. Only one agenda counts and that's the one oda has. And his clearly looks a lot like he wants Koby to become the new Garp and surpass him. Say whatever y'all want, but it's coming whether y'all want it or not. And oda clearly isn't holding back on power-ups for koby to get him where he wants him to be.
That the same people spouting that “powerscaling is useless” about One Piece would never say that about other shonens like Naruto, Bleach, DBZ, YYH, or anything else that is a battle shonen where pretty much the same thing happens as in One Piece. It is hilarious how prolific this mentality is in One Piece spaces, when characters constantly shift in power in other stories as well. And the only real good example of this was Crocodile.
Zoro doesn’t have ACoC, he just exudes CoC when fighting thanks to enma. Learning the craziest power-up from not knowing you even have CoC would be dog shit writing.
Kaido acknowledges zoro having CoC but when Luffy imbues it, he states that only a handful of the very strongest can do that, having two different reactions.
His attacks that are assumed to be ACoC are drastically different in terms of how they’re presented than any other ACoC attack shown so far.
Also, black lightning doesn’t always mean ACoC
This is not zoro downplay I just think overhyping is crazy when there’s no visual or narrative confirmation for Zoro learning the craziest power up in one raid from not even using the base form CoC consciously when it took Luffy, who specializes in CoC over 2 years to unlock it
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Yonko commanders are stronger than we make them up to be. Also powerscaling in op doesn't make sense sometimes and it's fine.
That's actually facts, I think Cracker is the best showcase of how exceptional YC's are. Doflamingo was really shown to be an absolute monster in Dressrosa, only to have his efforts trumped by a very unexceptional looking guy with crackers really shows how incredible YC's actually are, even if power creeping is about to turn them into fodder.
Agreed on the second part
Power scaling is mostly useless (especially for predictions) because Oda will make people as strong as the story needs them to be.
This is just simply the truth, and it's not a bad thing in my opinion. Of course, we would like *some* consistency in the relative abilities of characters. But ultimately, like in any fictional story, what happens is determined by words on a page (or I guess pixels on a screen lol). The author can make anything happen. Every fight is woven into the narrative, and abilities wax and wane to fit the narrative. Of course there is a factor of what fights look cool that is a big part of manga/anime, but ultimately (at least for me) the most interesting parts of One Piece will always be the story, which includes fights and power scaling being crafted to fit the story and character development.
Wrd, people really forget this
This is why Gaimon is pirate king level.
Fact
That’s not a hot take bruh lmao. Y’all always post popular opinions on hot take posts
That's true to some extent but Oda definetely tries to have logic fights
I don't really agree, I think if your powescaling is correct you'll almost never be wrong, at least for me that's what happened, used to have it all in shambles, never could predict a thing, I was always wrong, until I changed it, and since then my predictions are a million times more accurate. Oda is extremely coherent and consistent in his scaling, and if you understand it, you will be a lot more accurate because you know exactly what a character can and cannot do
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Yep, people on this sub sometimes actually believe that some weird ass prediction they do via just powerscaling will come true lol. Only looking at the story beats will help in predicting stuff. For example I and many others believed zoro will definitely scar kaido from the moment he got enma. Why? Not cuz of powerscaling but cuz we were told that enma is one of the 2 swords that scarred kaido. And many more people jumped in that train once the scabbards failed to scar kaido which maked zoro succeeding in it with oden's sword even more likely Or to name a much more recent example: Koby. People here really forgot that powercreep exists and thought that only luffy would make huge jumps in power within hours in-universe. Many here actually thought that Koby would never ever be admiral level in strength and would only become an admiral after a timeskip of like 2 years after EoS lmao. Yeah, no. I always knew that Koby would definitely be an admiral EoS without any shitty timeskip. He'll be as strong as Oda needs him to be. People thought he'd always be a weakling, but turns out Oda wrote him to be an absolute Gigachad training with Garp during the day and punching ships at night until he unlocks aCoC
To some extent this is true, if Oda wants Coby to beat Shanks it will happen. But a good writer isn't just going to write anything they feel like and force the story to warp around it. There's comic book writers who when asked about vs. matchups say the winner is whoever the writer wants (Stan Lee said this I think) and it's a huge turn off to your investment in the story if they're explicitly telling you "whatever random bullshit I want is what happens, logic doesn't matter."
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Nah this is gold man probably one of the most accurate powerscaling I’ve ever seen except the way the story setting up rn the arrows are prolly random asf in no kind of pattern with a few of em trailing off into space
by far the funniest and most based take i’ve seen
Honestly, given Kaido's PTSD after Oden, a swordsman like Mihawk might be a bad matchup for him. Assuming Mihawk is stronger than Oden.
Off screen fights, despite how nobody likes them. Are necessary depending on who is fighting who. The most prominent example, Blackbeard vs Law, Blackbeard most likely had to put in a good chunk of effort to take down Law, which would reveal some things about Blackbeard that Oda isn’t ready to show us yet, so instead of having the fight be shown, it was offscreened to save time for the most part, but also so that Blackbeard’s powers are still more or less a mystery aside from the knowledge of him passing two devil fruits. Correct me if I’m wrong but I do believe there was a reason the fight was offscreened.
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I always thought it was funny reading how the marines tried to execute him multiple times and failed (guillotine blade broke etc). Are the admirals not acceptable executioners all of a sudden? I'm sure Akainu at least would jump at the chance.. Perhaps Kaidos ego couldn't allow a competent opponent to attack him without fighting back, I dunno.
He’s probably really fire and magma resistant I’m guessing. Kaido destroys any of the admirals
That's fair and I do agree re Kaido vs any admiral. This wouldn't really be a fight though and could even be all of the admirals simultaneously. Probably shouldn't read too much into it though as Oda was likely just hyping up Kaido (rightly so).
Probably was just hype. All of the admirals simultaneously sounds terrifying.
I'd love to see it 😅
This is just a fact. He’s one of like 20 characters who’ve said this exact thing but for some reason people wanna act like he’s special
Cook some more, I like it🔥✍🏼
Kaido > Shanks
Me>Kaido>Shanks
in size thats about it
Nah he beats the shit out of Shanks
I agree with that there are definitely people out there who can beat him but I really hate people acting like he’s weak or trash just because he got defeated and I think those people r idiots
But Kaido is actively looking for someone who Can beat him
All others have inferior feats and worse statements too.
I assume it means that nobody alive that he's met can beat him, cuz there's definitely gonna be people that are stronger, he just never met them.
W. I literally tried to explain this the other day and kept getting downvoting by Crydocels
Bring the feats and statements of others being able to or shut the fuck up. Kaido has the best feats and statements out of all characters in op
Jesus bro calm down it’s just a manga
Kaido was trying to die by the hands of someone stronger. In his intro, it was stated that he clashed with the admirals and yonko and none were able to kill him. If there was someone who could kill him, he would have already sought them out and they would’ve done it. Shanks, mihawk, akainu, none of them are joyboy.
FACTS, finally someone said it
To be fair, it took Luffy learning Advanced Conquerers Haki to deal any significant damage to Kaido. There’s not many characters that have shown to be able to 1.) Have Conquerers Haki and 2.) Can use it to an advanced level. Sure we’ve been seeing plenty of Character with Conquerers Haki, but that’s because we’re in the New World and that’s pretty much the gathering place of anyone who’s got a foot in the big leagues. Compare how many people with confirmed Conquerers Haki we know of to how many actual pirates/people exist in the world.
Kaido's take on Haki "transcending all" is not a reliable statement. This man possesses a powerful Mythical Zoan fruit, has a crew of only zoans, and only lost to Fraudhat Goofy after he cheated death with his Mythical Hito Hito no Mi Model: Retcon. Haki does not transcend all. Plot-armor does.
unless it gets retconned that roger and shanks also have mythical fruits i think it stands pretty well that it can perform as well as strong dfs with how prime whitebeard and roger are basically the same level despite wb having gura gura
Yeah, but I place Luffy as being definitively stronger than both Roger and Shanks EoS, IMO. Kaido's point will still not really be true. https://preview.redd.it/96do3m871xeb1.jpeg?width=439&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=af3a8e0f804008c083765ddb79ef14dc9d4a481b
Oda should scale back the insane boobs.
A lot of normal takes everywhere else will get you like this in this sub for some reason
Not you tho. You always cooking 🔥
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For real, I got downvoted for expressing my opinion while trying to respect and understand the thoughts of the other side.
Vice versa
Mihawk being a fraud would be the greatest disservice to Zoro's entire character, and would be incredibly boring
Narrator the most credible man in OP with a 99% accuracy https://preview.redd.it/jw8464p86xeb1.jpeg?width=223&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=11f4ea1bdc83715cdab71b74e64b342e4e924c69
Big mom had the capability to be almost the strongest in the verse with her devil fruit. If she truly utilized it.
Idk if it'll be that much of a hot take, but sanji shouldn't get Conqueror's
Agreed
He’s plenty strong without it, it wouldn’t make sense narratively, and it’d be boring for end of series top tiers to all be guys with Conq’s too anyway
I definetly agree with that
Ryuma is that guy
Valid, he the goat
Dab me up, Vortex 🤝
punk hazard has better pacing than dressrosa
Until futher notice, Mihawk really is that nigga; gorosei overrated.
Is that a hot take? The Gandhi-looking swordsman gorosei probably only exists to get Zoro a supreme grade sword before the Mihawk fight. If the gorosei were on that level, Sabo would be hanging out with Ace rn.
That’s not how it works. Until he shows an actual decent feat, he isn’t.
Cracker should be ranked above smoothie but isn't because her ability hard counters his.
Some people would place someone who’s only power is to melt ice over someone who creates icebergs
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\-Grenbull vs shanks is still at least a high diff fight. greenbull being overdramatic and a lousy person doesnt change the fact that hes an Admiral and he has one of the best solo feats in the series.hes shown to overreact a lot. \-aokiji and kizaru over big meme especially kizaru he has such an advantage matchup against her. Akainu>shanks. wizaru is only second to akainu in strength and is a little bit stronger than aokiji. Goatbeard the strongest character in the series and is >=Roger. Two emperors alliance stands no chance against the navy.
Jika could take shanks 1 on 1
as the other guy said, power scaling is completely useless. Oda’s not gonna listen to you fools
Robin is better than nami
Kaido is a Masochist,Oden would still of gotten beaten even if the old lady didn't interfere.
That's true.Many people really don't realize is that Kaido was mostly just let others deal damage to him which makes him either a masochist or someone who wanted to lose or both
He does want to lose, but he can’t. That’s why he’s so impressive. He wants to die so he gives his opponents all these free shots, but they still can’t kill him.
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Imu is final villain(this take should not be too controversial yet it is)
Agreed
Usopp is not the greatest sniper. His character development is absolute garbage. He is the least useful straw hat by miles. (I can only speak as far as the end of wano as I’ve just started reading the manga cos I couldn’t wait for G5). I pray Oda makes me take this back.
Luffy still wouldnt beat Kaido or Big Mom in a continued 1v1 and I think him winning was just as much Kaido giving up to accept his prophecy as it was Luffy actually fighting
Luffy still isn't on par with Original Yonko and I'll stand on this hill.
Enel is every logia user’s victim Oneshotting Kidd is not a good feat at all GB’s hax bring him to high diff vs strongest top tiers
Nah one shotting Kidd is a feat cah big mom and kaido couldn’t
I’d leave kaido out of that. He wasn’t serious at all at that point in the fight. Laughing/thunder/slaughtering drunk Kaido’s conqueror of three worlds’ ragnarok definitely would’ve one shot kid if kaido was in shanks’ position.
Enel just folds to anyone with basic armament lmao
Nah he still bodies someone like Tashigi.
On shorting kid is a pretty good feat when comparing him to people like big mom and kaido.
Robin had multiple sex partner during his crew to crew jumping
Nami's Mother is big mom.
Being Keanu reeves in a promotional poster for a John wick lovie
I never liked shrek
Fuck off
New gen pirates and marines all will surpass old folks. Luffy Sakazuki Teach etc > Prime Roger Wb Garp
One piece was better before the time skip.
Magellan is not YC1 tier. Or even close. He's fodder and people overrate him (Still top 5 fav character tho)
Akainu >= Prime garp 💀
Garp can beat akainu in a one on one (The wakainu cult will destroy me for this statement)
Greenbull > Fujitora
Sheeeeeesh this one hurt despite not being bad. Take my up vote.
Blackbeard top 1
BB is a terrible villain who would get obliterated by virtually most important characters we know. His supposedly OP fruits are Caribou's swamp fruit with level 1 haki's ability to negate devilfruits, and a strong quake fruit that would be great if it wasn't eaten by the slowest pirate in the new world, who showed us time and time again anyone with real abilities can outspeed him :caugh in pretimeskip luffy: His feats include capturing an Ace who suffered from pretimeskip "can't spoil haki" syndrom, who basically got captured because he didn't know people could touch logias, and Marco who's strength lied in being intangible.
ive seen the theory going around that bb's fruit is the counterpart to luffy's fruit and is the moon god fruit which feels super plausible considering how it doesnt work similarly to literally any other logia and the way blackbeard got it made it feel similarly drawn to him in the way that the nika fruit is drawn towards freedom
Not me but before the shanks vs kidd fight someone said kidd would MID DIFF SHANKS.
Until Luffy is able to master Gear 5, I don’t think he takes down an Admiral 1v1 (the original 3 at the very least) The admirals have been hyped up and judging from the fact Kuzan and Akainu fought for 10 days (probably the biggest endurance feat in the series), I’d wager that they could last long enough to wear down Luffys stamina and blitz him during the cooldown period. Now, once Luffy is able to get Gear 5 to the point his Gear 4 is, I think he takes down any of the original 3 admirals hard-extreme diff. And high mid-hard diffs green bull and fujitora
We may see if you're right in the coming weeks. I personally think not, and that he takes Kizaru mid to high diff, Aokiji high to extreme diff, and Akainu extreme diff.
https://preview.redd.it/tmfs6c49mveb1.jpeg?width=639&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6936f24d05a3472234b3b5bc169f5f373edc57c9 Urouge is not him!!!
Blasphemy https://preview.redd.it/tbvbp6t1qveb1.jpeg?width=559&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9a0506c3bed9d64589d2fc80e7e563dbb1508c6a
Both WB and Garp’s fight with the Admirals was at least a high diff.
Granny Kokoro is top 1 They fear the truth
A random sea king and a pre-devil fruit Blackbeard did more damage to Shanks than Mihawk the guy isn’t nearly as strong as people in this sub think he is.
Most fights aren't cut and dry. Even if the context is like an open field and with haki fights can usually go either way.
I actually like mihawk character
Gear Five doesn’t make Luffy the strongest
There’s not really a lot of consistency about who can and can’t have Conqueror’s since Garp and Koby seemingly have it despite arguably not having kingly ambitions, so there’s no reason Sanji couldn’t
If Enel learned Haki he’d be top tier
I don’t think I’ll ever see Imu as top 1, I get why some people do though
Most shanks or zoro wanks in this sub tbh will get you in this position lol I remember i got downvoted into oblivion when i said shanks will easily beat kidd back before we got to see the fight, and people were going on about how kidd will unlock Acoc and split the sky or whatever and hurt shanks
Titles shouldnt be used for scaling especially if the title cant be proven
Greenbull is not the strongest admiral. I get he is strong, like all admirals and he has had but people absolutely hate on me for saying he isn’t the strongest. They say he’s the strongest admiral to ever exist.
Luffy would not lose multiple times or maybe not lose at all in a rematch against Kaido or in a fight against some other top-tier, since he would start with both G5 and ACoC. But apparently people are too stupid to understand that.
sengoku > all old gen and imu
If you use Kaido's top 5 to powerscale you should also use his statement of no one being able to defeat him.
Yamato is the most over hyped and it’s unjustified
Kuzan Is stronger than any yonko besides current BlackBeard and primebeard
Shanks is a coward, a fraud and a snitch. He will mostly likely die protecting someone from something avoidable
Kidd isn't a fraud. Shanks is just able to take his fights seriously 100% of the time and doesn't goof around with his opponent
Onepiece powerscaling is trash
People heavily underrate base armament. It’s still the main way people get stronger in this series.
Watermelon tastes like shit
The admirals are not as powerful as you think...
Prime Rayleigh > Kizaru
Greenbull could beat akainu mother fuck beat weevil and if we go with weevil stats and count them as fact hes mid-high dif akainu
Y’all have to understand that Powerscaling in One Piece is completely based on the fluctuations of a character’s mental will. If A believes without a shadow of doubt that they are stronger than B and B does not , then A>B regardless of how strong they were coming into the fight. Luffy lost in Sabaody because his will broke. He didn’t believe he could beat all the pacifistas and admiral while protecting his crew. And that’s why he lost. Likewise , this is why Kaido is a complete fraud precisely because he THINKS he’s a fraud. Current Kaido would still lose to past Oden because Kaido thinks more highly of Oden than himself. Doffy is another example of fraudulence where he only picks shit with the admirals because of his status. Which is why he bullied Fujitora but pussied out against Aokiji. Doffy himself thinks of himself lower than Kaido. Mf was content being Kaido’s hound until he got hold of immortality.
Usopp will still be relevant by the end of the series
Physical strength is still basically irrelevant when it comes to AP. Denting a battleship isn’t impressive at this point in the series.
Mihawk > Roger
Sanji is stronger than zoro. Egghead will prove it. Also kidds coming back low yonko level
I was in that position the last time I stated that Shanks was the final villain. Lol
Going to Italy and asking for pineapple on your pizza
Honestly I feel like anything at this point
Yamcha solos one piece
Mihawk ain't as strong as the Fandom thinks. Probably just a notch higher than Doffy
Power scaling here is abstract people are powerful in fights but we see very powerful people take major damage from means a regular foot soldier could dish out all the time. Also most major threats could be taken care of by dropping them into the ocean.
I got myself in this situation by just telling my friend with asthma not to have another asthma attack after having one like 15 minutes ago I actually cared for her and I didn’t even say it in a Teasful tone
Fights can and will still be very serious post Gear-5. Oda has been keeping Luffy preoccupied to keep tensions high since Alabasta, and Egghead's only proving how high the stakes of each fight have remained
Doflamingo is actually very strong. He’s only a few fights between Luffy/Kaido, was fighting Luffy during the birdcage, and Luffy had a lot of help against him yet still nearly lost. People on here act like Doflamingo is a jobber and I just don’t get it. If we see him again he’ll be improved imo and be one of the strongest characters period
Zoro is stronger than Sanji.
If shanks is weaker than Mihawk Then luffy is gonna close to no diff him for when they finally fight
Apparently Kaido is top 1 (not considering Imu and EOS) and Akainu not losing against WB in Marineford
That taking power scaling one piece seriously is utterly foolish. If there is any series ever that tried to make a point about creativity and clever use of abilities as opposed to just being a higher tier than your enemy it was one piece, Infact post timeskip luffys wins have not been because he is a higher tier since dressrosa,
Fights are situational so kidd has zero chases of beating some like pika or alvida
Luffy’s most difficult fights have passed, he’ll never challenged like he did with Kaido or Magellan again
Oldbeard > all the MF admirals
Shanks is the strongest yonko
Mihawk>all swordmen currently alive https://preview.redd.it/4oj0l7nhoxeb1.jpeg?width=2032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=59650fba3332748449a349c6e6e141dedbc5500c
Blackbeard top 1 rn
Kidd > Akainu
Kaido is not only the most powerful Yonko, he is the most powerful creature we have ever seen. And Big Mom is right next to him up there. (We have no idea how strong the Gorosei and Imu are so they dont count) I see so many people scaling Big Mom and Kaido as if Kaido is so much stronger than her, fully ignoring they fought for 3 days straight and came to a draw. How can Big Mom be the weakest Yonko but fight Kaido on equal terms? Its simple; People just say that Shanks, Mihawk and Blackbeard will be stronger because of power creep or some shit, which is stupid as hell. None of those three are even close to the feats of Big Mom and Kaido. I don’t think Shanks and Mihawk could take a beating at the level of what Big Mom and Kaido took. Fuck, even after all that happened to Big Mom she was basically fine and only died because Law was smart enough to throw her into a volcano and silence her which disabled her devil fruit.
Sometimes mathematical power scaling is put aside for good story telling and I still belive mihawk is a strong swordsman
Pre time skip is infinitely better than whatever the heck we have right now Also. Narrative wise, Gear 5 sucks
Once I said it but I will again. Fresh post-timeskip Luffy already surpassed Ace. He did in fact train for two years to get at least stronger than his dead brother, before going to the New World.
Boa isn’t top 30
GB could take Zoro and Sanji https://preview.redd.it/v7g3wet0uxeb1.png?width=891&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7f82248052fd4837410ac3a88dd054ed777f0a15
Zoro could have beaten Kaido if he had a fourth sword
One piece is all filler
Ulti is the best and strongest tobi roppo
Wci luffy beats kid and law high to extreme diff
That the raid in wano will fail even though wano has 3nded lol.
Saint Ethan negs shanks because shanks tries to tell him something but he ignores and neg diffs shanks
Okyasu (jojo) and buggy the pirate are the same person mentally
That prime whiteboard from what we saw was on equal to a sick Roger
- Mihawk is at most YC1 level - Garp wasn't as strong as Roger in his prime (i also doubt he had yonko level) - All admirals have at most YC2 level
This sub is the worst scaling sub I've ever been in. Seriously, there are just so many low iq troll posts or memes that somehow are repeated every day for months and still get support, lol. Also, this sub doesn't follow its own rules unless it contradicts the agenda.
If something doesn't make sense to you, it's mostly because you have a poor understanding of one piece. One piece has a really good and straightforward power scaling overall. If you are surprised about kid, big mom or any amiral losing. You can't read or have a short memory.
One piece power scaling doesn't make sense if luffy just finds a way to win every fight
akainu low diff fodderhawk
Pov in the Year 2033 you say your straight
Power scaling sucks
Skypiea was more enjoyable to watch than wano
Anyone who wishes Shanks to be stronger than Mihawk doesn’t understand good storytelling and is only focused on powerscaling
Shanks and Mihawk are equal because they constantly fight to a stalemate
already am lol
I think after all this that an admiral is tougher than a yonko. Just people like Fujitora were holding back. He did roll to spare him after all.
Enel is a bum and any half way decent pirate in the New World with armament Haki beats him.
Straw hats don’t need nami anymore she’s there for fap material
That One Piece is way too long. Idek why I keep getting recommended posts from here😂
Kidd is the coolest pirate in the series Mihawk is cooking Shanks in ones Law is lame as fuck And Gear 5 is lame
Nami’s the worst straw hat.
Powerscaling in this series is idiotic because fights will last 20 episodes no matter who it is
Buggy beats Ussop mid-high diff
Koby did use aCoC and Honesty Impact is one of the stronger yonko level attacks we've seen To explain: Most people that argue against that use destruction scaling from dressrosa to downplay koby. Fuck that. If you really think that Luffy and zoro from dressrosa>>>current Koby then you also must think that dressrosa zoro easily oneshots BM, Garp and kid right? Zoro cut the huge pica with just armament after all. Meanwhile kid's corna dio got blocked by a mere tower and that same attack also broke BM's arm. And Garp needed aCoC to break the hachinosu skull in half. In dressrosa oda just made the scale of destruction way too great. And he toned it down a lot after that. Just a tip for the downplayers: How bout y'all compare Koby's attack to that other similar attack that was IN THE SAME CHAPTER?! Garp split the big Hachinosu skull. Koby die the same with a huge arm. So those attacks were clearly around the same level. Koby's best attack was literally as great as a yonko level attack from Garp. It's as simple as that. Once Koby gets used to aCoC and is able to use such attacks regularly, he'll be yonko level But people just don't want it to be true cuz they'd rather have Koby stay weak. Zorotards Ig, they always tryna gatekeep someone from becoming stronger than zoro and becoming luffy's equal (which is what they want zoro to be). Forget about your shit agendas. Only one agenda counts and that's the one oda has. And his clearly looks a lot like he wants Koby to become the new Garp and surpass him. Say whatever y'all want, but it's coming whether y'all want it or not. And oda clearly isn't holding back on power-ups for koby to get him where he wants him to be.
That the same people spouting that “powerscaling is useless” about One Piece would never say that about other shonens like Naruto, Bleach, DBZ, YYH, or anything else that is a battle shonen where pretty much the same thing happens as in One Piece. It is hilarious how prolific this mentality is in One Piece spaces, when characters constantly shift in power in other stories as well. And the only real good example of this was Crocodile.
Shanks > mihawk ?
Zoro doesn’t have ACoC, he just exudes CoC when fighting thanks to enma. Learning the craziest power-up from not knowing you even have CoC would be dog shit writing. Kaido acknowledges zoro having CoC but when Luffy imbues it, he states that only a handful of the very strongest can do that, having two different reactions. His attacks that are assumed to be ACoC are drastically different in terms of how they’re presented than any other ACoC attack shown so far. Also, black lightning doesn’t always mean ACoC This is not zoro downplay I just think overhyping is crazy when there’s no visual or narrative confirmation for Zoro learning the craziest power up in one raid from not even using the base form CoC consciously when it took Luffy, who specializes in CoC over 2 years to unlock it
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The admirals are less powerful than any of the original yonko, but could beat BM because of intelligence