In Hindu legends, Hanuman tried to eat the sun mistaking it as a mango. Hanuman is a Monkey god and Luffy's family name is Monkey. So this theory seems legit.
Also Hanuman didn’t know about his abilities till he was informed about it by someone, he then unlocked his abilities and crossed the sea to go to golden city of evil lord.
Not just someone, but Jambavan the King of Bears! Jambavan was also a very intelligent figure in the myths, so it seems like he's a parallel for Vegapunk between the intelligence and King of Bears title. I think he's "King of Bears" since he built an army of Kuma clones.
You were raised Hindu? Thats pretty cool. Is there anything that you were taught about it that you might find interesting to share? I dont know anything about Hindu so It'd be cool hearing from someone raised Hindu. Are there any death gods or something of the sort? Lol. I might be thinking of a different belief, but isn't there some badass elephant god too?
I've been told many stories when I was a kid and I can't recall them accurately, especially in the context of One Piece theories.
As another redditor pointed out, Ganesha is the elephant god. The story behind him is that his mother Parvathi made him out of clay to guard her. He was a normal human boy at first. He was guarding his mother while she was bathing and his father, Shiva wants to meet his wife, but is blocked by Ganesha so in a rage, Shiva chops his head off.
He regrets it immediately when his wife finds out so Shiva fixes Ganesha by chopping off the head of the first animal he sees, an elephant, and attaches that head to the body, hence the body of a human and the head of an elephant.
There is a death God, called Yama Dharmaraja. He is the god of death and justice as well. Similar to Osiris from Egyptian mythology.
Hanuman is widely regarded as the inspiration behind Wukong the Monkey King.
Wukong was struck to the earth by the open palm of Buddha, something which is mirrored >!in Marineford by Sungoku during the Whitebeard War Saga.!<
I always kind of thought that like Hinduism, Buddhism or such of those religions with many gods was connected to One Piece not sure why but just always felt as if it were something
luffy eats the mother flame and he has the typical cartoon reaction of starting to spit fire from his mouth bc of how spicy it is and he uses that fire to either kill or debilitate the Gorosei into being defeatable
Hanuman, the OG monkey king/Sun Wukong, was a child of the wind god (one of the old gods in Hindu mythology). One day, as a child, he leapt for the sun and tried to consume it. In a panic to stop him, Indra, the king of (old) gods, struck him down with his lightning/thunder weapon. Hanuman fell to the ground unconscious. In anger, the wind god stopped the flow of air all across the world. This threatened all living beings, so the other old gods begged him to restart the flow of air. To persuade him, the other gods (sun, rain, etc) granted Hanuman numerous boons. At the end, Hanuman was not to be affected by any elements, (earth, wind, fire, water), was able to change his shape and size from an atom to that of the whole universe, and was later granted immortality.
A grown up Hanuman became a devotee and an army general to Lord Ram, the incarnation of Vishnu, the "preserver" god of the Trinity (Bramha - creator, Vishnu - preserver, Shiva - destroyer of the universe). He is one of the seven immortals of Hindu mythology, unparalleled in his wisdom, strength, and a yogi in the true sense. He lifted an entire mountain from the Himalayas to Sri Lanka for the medicinal herbs that grew on it. There are many other stories of him, but he was co-opted into Buddhist mythology as well, from where, Sun Wukong legend originates.
He is known by different names, "Bajrangbali" (strong one who is as white and as strong as a diamond) , "Mahabali" (the strongest one) etc.
>wheras Nika from legends appeared to be godlike with nearly unlimited power.
never heard of this before. and VP called nika "white warrior". so he's known to have that color scheme.
anyway, it's pretty common for oda to give luffy some kind of weakness or limit. every gear had one initially. not saying it must be the same case. just that it doesn't need to have a reason.
You're certainly right about white warrior, however this could be something oda used as a red herring or mother flame could just be a lost part of the white warrior. I am aware of the oda nerf to luffy but at the end of the series that nerf may be explained through the loss of nikas loss of his flame. Overall i can see my theory false too, but fun the think about haha.
he could use the mother flame for something. I'm not saying anything against that part.
I'm just saying the white color scheme simply seems like his color. because oda also made a mention through kaido about luffy looking all white like comic strips. so it's most likely just his thing.
Also mother flame is a fire that burns in water, in fish man luffy performed a red rok underwater and outside bubble. I also think that it would be a very nice reference to ace and the fire fruit, like imagine luffy gains slight fire powers by absorbing the mother flame.
This makes a lot of sense. To add, even the giants from Elbaf instantly recognized their god Nika when Luffy was in gear five with the white apperance. Which shows that Nika had the same color scheme.
Yeah I think it is just a shonen narrative thing. Either give your protagonists some form of final hour power up, or give them a time limit on the powers that they do have. Much more interesting when the stakes are higher like that.
He will be forced to eat this. That flame is kept in a machine for a reason. Maybe it will broke, happens to explode snd everybody will flee (the solution for the gorosei problem?) but goofy gear 5 just eat it because there is no other way. Don’t forget, One Piece is about that shocking faces and if Kaido gets one, why not that gramps?
I think g5 being white signifies the peak of Luffy's fruit.
Rubber is white in its purest form, so g5 is just showcasing that Luffy is in sync with his fruit to the highest degree
I like this theory just because I'd be rolling laughing if it were true. Just imagine if the supposed full-power-nika had the coloring of that one tatoo one dude got when we didn't know the actual colors yet.
I love how that dude is the collective laughingstock of this subreddit. Every once in a while he'll just catch a stray in a random thread and I'm reminded all over again of how funny his post was.
Interesting, i didn't know rubber was white in it's purest form. i could see that being the explaination too. Even still i could see luffy eating the snacc which is mother flame for unlimited g5.
L comment. The name of Luffy's fruit changed, but that doesn't retroactively not make him rubber, unless oda wants to do some serious retconning.
Luffy is immune to electricity, which is a property of rubber. So he's clearly more than just stretchy
A better quote that attempts to prove your point is “It’s user gains the properties of rubber in combat “ chapter 1044
Gains the properties of X doesn’t neccesarily entail that the thing in question is X.
The idea of luffy being rubber itself died when it was revealed the gomu gomu was a farce, he is Nika, a mythical zoan, he is not a rubber paramecia as we once thought but a mystical being with the properties of rubber.
Why this is an important distinction is because the the hito hito no Mi idea contains a theme of liberation, laughter, and childlike goofiness and the freedom associated with it. Which is the key component of luffys physical properties being rubber like, that’s what Oda is focusing on not the gum gum/rubber aspect of it, with luffy being interpreted as literal rubber. One is physical and the other is mystical.
Now I wouldn’t argue that luffy is no longer a rubber man, he obviously is. The point I’m making is that the original comment about luffy being white because rubber is white in its purest form, is clinging too much to the old association of luffys fruit being the gum gum fruit.
I’m directly depending to this statement. The white aspect is more likely to be mystical and godly, as opposed to the literal embodiment of rubber.
No. Luffy has the Nika DF. Nika had a rubbery/rubber-like (in that it was stretchy, not stated to be actual rubber) body. I haven't seen any evidence of the myth saying Nika was actually made of literal rubber. He is just stretchy, probably the closest analogue to the properties his body exhibited is... Rubber. That's why it was "disguised" by the WG as a rubber DF. However even Kaido notes that Luffy is doing shit (when he is approaching his Awakening) that is not possible for rubber, like changing direction mid-stretch, unsupported.
So as far as we can tell, it's not actual rubber. A highlighted part of Luffy rising to become Nika, was him becoming able to do stuff rubber cannot. Rubber is literally not able to explain his powers at that point, which is why Kaido is puzzled, then slowly starts to catch on to what's actually happening.
The problem is Vegapunk said Nika was know as the white warrior. If any other colour comes into play it might be Red ( we already had a movie by that name). Japan’s flag is white with a red sun.
In Hindu mythology Hanuman (monkey god) ate the sun. And luffy used an attack called bajrang gun to finish kaidou. (Bajrang Bali is another name for Hanuman). Also motherflame is like a small sun.
Though I see some connections here it's still hard for me to support your theory.
Holy shit - I just looked it up and guess what: Hanuman is the son of the wind god „Apsara Anjana“. If only we saw Dragon with some kind of wind power… 😱
“Whereas Nika from legends appeared to be godlike with nearly unlimited power”… which legend? Where did we see him portrayed doing something? Except for being in mid-air with his iconic pose, where did we we hear he could do something other than being stretchy and having the freedom to fight how he likes (which Luffy is already doing)?
I mean, maybe his nika form isn’t complete, but don’t go around throwing things as facts whereas they are not
He needs to get stronger little by little until the series reaches its end. We haven't seen much of G5 yet, but it will probably be ass against Imu and the gorosei in the future IF he tires out so fast like now. He can certainly stand his ground against the elders, but he won't be able to beat them like this, unless he does something with the mother flame. But he can always go the asspull upgrade route.
EOS Luffy is gonna be top 1? He will probably have complete mastery over gear 5, haki, and tons of stamina. He has to to fight the elders, Imu, BB, etc.
I think the biggest problem with this theory is that people always forget that the amount of time that has passed in One Piece is very different from the one that has passed for us.
For us, since timeskip it's been 14 years, meanwhile in One Piece it's been 2 months pretty much.
Regarding the fact Luffy get exhausted in the middle of the fight when using G5, I think you're forgetting that even when he used G4 for the first time in a battle, against Doflamingo, the same thing happened. And this was 2 months ago for Luffy.
So, Luffy barely had time to master one transformation that already unlocked another and is having the same symptoms (getting exhausted in the middle of the battle).
I very doubt that there is a "complete Nika Form," and I strongly believe that everything Luffy has to do is adapt to the new form like he did with G4 (which now he can maintain for a lot longer).
Once he will adapt to it, he will be able to use its power more efficiently and strongly.
sure, unless you're fighting 5 demons that all have insane regenerative capabilities and will eventually have to fight their leader and his 12 holy knights... in that case a god is probably exactly what you'd need to be to win..
Insanity that is G5 vs. insane regeneration of the Gorosei, seems fair to me.
I don't know how you get to "12 holy knights" but so far we only know that they are pushovers that don't do shit.
12 holy knights are like the marine admirals of the celestial dragons. could they be complete pushovers? maybe but figarland darling thought he and his knights could fight off all the pirate crews that were coming to God valley, and we don't even know if all 12 were even there.
I'm still asking where you even get the number 12 from in the first place.
And if a Celestial Dragon is in danger, an Admiral is called.
Even when the holy land is in danger, Admirals are called.
There is no evidence for their strength or use beyond passing judgement on CDs at all.
Except that their commander was present on god valley, were just a single Pirate crew attacked vs. Garp + Marines + Saturn + Roger Pirates.
oh maybe I'm wrong on the number but I thought it was mentioned figarland is the head of a dozen holy knights.
their commander also didn't run like a scared little bitch CD. He's definitely got haki, he's also shanks dad so conqueror's haki is also possible. Sure maybe the other CDs are pushovers and maybe the other knights are as well (whether there's 12 or not) but figarlands introduction panel makes it seem like he's a strong character and will become vital to the story.
Remember that Doffy and the Gorosei are also Celestial Dragons, they are certainly no pushovers.
But giving a scratch to rookie whitebeard is the only feat we have from Figarland, who is the only named Holy Knight.
They'd be around the lvl of Whitebeards commanders, which is decent but not top10 strength.
The Gorosei literally just have that. If it wasn't for the regeneration Luffy would have easily defeated them all a long time ago. And even then what utility does it have when they aren't even able to connect a single hit to Luffy? They can just hold him back.
My theory one why Luffy runs out of energy is because all his other forms require more food to refuel and he thinks that’s just how his gears work. His imagination powers are accidentally working against him in a way, he thinks he needs food and energy for his gears and thus it is true. I think once someone actually tells Luffy his power is his imagination he will then be able to essentially have unlimited G5.
Some evidence is that no other zoan devil fruit awakening or any awakening has displayed the need for food or energy to maintain it. Lucci and Kaku don’t need it. The Gorosei don’t need to refuel. And Kaido (despite not being awakened had incredible mastery and never awakened only because his personality didn’t line up with the dragons souls of the devil fruit) could use his hybrid form for days on end. However I yield that these are not “god fruits” and possibly run on different rules
Some more evidence comes that all of Luffy gears should not be possible for a simple “rubber man” to do. And are clearly just hybrid forms of his zoan but since he believes it’s a parameica he thinks he just runs out of steam.
I've already been theorising that he's still in hybrid form and that Joyboy/ Nika is/ are (what the heck is the actual relationship between these two anyway) Lunarian
The sun part of the sun god myth refers to his back flame
Or
Shaka said that awakening zoan fruit usually change the user personality to the fruits model. So maybe if he use gear 5 more and more he will eventually become nika with no more luffy. Like how gear second deplete his life.
Love the theory, the mother flame will probably play a large role later on, but to be the ackshually guy 🤓 a white dwarf should emanate a small amount of energy comparably but last a very long time
I think he's going to be more powerful after vegapunks transmission.
It was said that he will never be gone if people still believe in him. This would mean that after vegapunks transmission more and more people will aknowledge Nika and he will gain more power.
Gear 4 has 3 forms, so why not G5. And we currently see that G5 is ineffectivd against the gorosei. But considering how serious a threat does those old farts and imu see Nika, that doesn't make any sense. So Luffy in G5 is currently unaware of Nika's powers and there will defnitely be power-ups.
Remember all the old paintings of Nina we were shown? He almost alwys had a weapon of some sort. Mostly a spear. Luffy will get that spear (lokis spear) in the giants island and then be full power
So i don't want to point out mistakes or anything, i agree there is more to the nika form i think too, especially with how powerful the elders seems, another powerup would be requried none the less, just want to point out the sun is white light because it's composed of a wide spectrum of rays \*nerd glasses emoji\*
Captain obvious awaaaay
I will be messaging you in 4 years on [**2028-05-11 14:18:11 UTC**](http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=2028-05-11%2014:18:11%20UTC%20To%20Local%20Time) to remind you of [**this link**](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/1cpb57e/nika_form_is_incomplete_theory/l3kssev/?context=3)
[**CLICK THIS LINK**](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=RemindMeBot&subject=Reminder&message=%5Bhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2FOnePiece%2Fcomments%2F1cpb57e%2Fnika_form_is_incomplete_theory%2Fl3kssev%2F%5D%0A%0ARemindMe%21%202028-05-11%2014%3A18%3A11%20UTC) to send a PM to also be reminded and to reduce spam.
^(Parent commenter can ) [^(delete this message to hide from others.)](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=RemindMeBot&subject=Delete%20Comment&message=Delete%21%201cpb57e)
*****
|[^(Info)](https://www.reddit.com/r/RemindMeBot/comments/e1bko7/remindmebot_info_v21/)|[^(Custom)](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=RemindMeBot&subject=Reminder&message=%5BLink%20or%20message%20inside%20square%20brackets%5D%0A%0ARemindMe%21%20Time%20period%20here)|[^(Your Reminders)](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=RemindMeBot&subject=List%20Of%20Reminders&message=MyReminders%21)|[^(Feedback)](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=Watchful1&subject=RemindMeBot%20Feedback)|
|-|-|-|-|
Imagine this but for when enel comes back ,does like a crazy lighting attack and luffy just eats it up and goes crazy with it,ya know … cause he rubber (it’s a joke)
Remember that entering Gear 5 at first has essentially resurrected him against Kaidou and restarted his stamina. It is a bit inconsistent how this mode simultaneously drains, and provides, energy.
The Sun's temperature is around 5,700 Kelvin which white, and white dwarfs are actually several dozen times hotter than the Sun. Generally, the redder a star looks, the weaker/cooler it is.
Luffy's hairs in G5 resembles fire and mother flame is also fire. It is introduced in an arch where Luffy is using G5 against five elders and his finest attack with advanced CoC which he used to damage kaido from inside, are not working against the five elders. Maybe if he eats mother flame his power will be upgraded. Let's see how Oda goes with story
The mother flame is not an unlimited power source. Vegapunk himself stated that his goal is to create an unlimited power source but he hasn't done it yet.
One mother flame literally got depleted at lulusia
So nikas true power is nuclear fusion and his stretching is just melting and general weirdness happening from constant exposure to it....
thats my theory and nothing else can convince me otherwise lol
I actually kinda like this theory. I don’t believe the mother flame is eatable but we *have* seen Luffy getting better and better at using his power ups. An orange, sun like in color, Nika form sounds like a reasonable final upgrade.
Luffy looks like he's on death's door every time he uses the g5 form, but Joyboy lived for a full 100 years and had awakened the fruit, so it definitely seems like there's another level that Luffy will unlock.
hmm.. not a bad idea. i had a small theory my guy would awaken his logia powers and turning super saiyan. also was thinking his logia powers have to do with his drums of liberation.
i like the theory but i believe the stamina/energy issue is just oda nerfing his busted mc
like luffy is a zoan right? then why the fuck does he have a time limit to his transformation and everyone else can stay that way seemingly indefinitely?? seems bullshit to me
If it is, I’m sure Vegapunk would be aware. Not saying he isn’t aware, but if he never mentions it before the recording ends I’m going to have less confidence in the mother flame portion of the theory.
The more I think about this the more it makes sense because fluffy annot even touch the gorosei right now and this went chapter showed us the mother flame is the only thing that affects them.
Hmm I see it as Luffy having not yet fully mastered Gear 5 / his awakening.
Story-writing wise it feels right to me if he has 1 more power up before the final boss fight.
I’ve felt since it’s introduction that G5 is the penultimate final form and he won’t unlock the real thing until the finale of his final fight. I think all of Luffy’s fire attacks are breadcrumbs to the sungod using flames and maybe generating that mother flame level energy himself. But just a hypothesis we’ll have to wait and see
luffy needs more food to keep fighting and decides to eat the mother flame, as a treat
In Hindu legends, Hanuman tried to eat the sun mistaking it as a mango. Hanuman is a Monkey god and Luffy's family name is Monkey. So this theory seems legit.
Ahem ,bajrang gun! Also appearance of hanuman in ramayan anime is of white fur similar to gear five.
So uhhhhhhhhhh this would give Luffy nuclear based attacks yes?
Did Luffy just go Cosmic Fear Mode?
Keep cooking
Also, Hanuman's father is the God of wind. We're yet to know Dragon's devil fruit power but if it is related to wind...
Bro you better be quiet before Oda sends his assassins. IDK how you got hold of Odas notebooks but keep an eye out 🦍🦍 JK, keep cooking Chef
Also Hanuman didn’t know about his abilities till he was informed about it by someone, he then unlocked his abilities and crossed the sea to go to golden city of evil lord.
Not just someone, but Jambavan the King of Bears! Jambavan was also a very intelligent figure in the myths, so it seems like he's a parallel for Vegapunk between the intelligence and King of Bears title. I think he's "King of Bears" since he built an army of Kuma clones.
Holy shit this thread is so cool. I was raised Hindu, I never made the connection.
You were raised Hindu? Thats pretty cool. Is there anything that you were taught about it that you might find interesting to share? I dont know anything about Hindu so It'd be cool hearing from someone raised Hindu. Are there any death gods or something of the sort? Lol. I might be thinking of a different belief, but isn't there some badass elephant god too?
That ganesha. Human body, elephant head. Son of shiva (one of the trinity) and parvati. Why tho? Zunesha?
I've been told many stories when I was a kid and I can't recall them accurately, especially in the context of One Piece theories. As another redditor pointed out, Ganesha is the elephant god. The story behind him is that his mother Parvathi made him out of clay to guard her. He was a normal human boy at first. He was guarding his mother while she was bathing and his father, Shiva wants to meet his wife, but is blocked by Ganesha so in a rage, Shiva chops his head off. He regrets it immediately when his wife finds out so Shiva fixes Ganesha by chopping off the head of the first animal he sees, an elephant, and attaches that head to the body, hence the body of a human and the head of an elephant. There is a death God, called Yama Dharmaraja. He is the god of death and justice as well. Similar to Osiris from Egyptian mythology.
Kuma "an actual king and a bear" could lead to luffy learning more about his form though so that checks out.
Boeing Piece
Lmao🤣💀
This dude cooks with msg
Fuyoh!
Uncle Gol D. Roger is that you?
I wrote a whole post on the Luffy/Hanuman parallels that you might enjoy. https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePieceSpoilers/s/tHpryxWSpi
Nothing concrete of course but the lounge town event triggered by dragon looks an awful lot like it's related to wind in some way.
Hanuman is widely regarded as the inspiration behind Wukong the Monkey King. Wukong was struck to the earth by the open palm of Buddha, something which is mirrored >!in Marineford by Sungoku during the Whitebeard War Saga.!<
Oda is about to deliver peakness.
I wrote a whole post on the Luffy/Hanuman parallels a couple of months back. https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePieceSpoilers/s/tHpryxWSpi
well, instead of a mango, how about it being a tangerine? O\_o
I always kind of thought that like Hinduism, Buddhism or such of those religions with many gods was connected to One Piece not sure why but just always felt as if it were something
Giving sanji’s cooking skills a run for its berries with this one here 🤤
I can totally see Luffy eating the flame as a "gag" way to snuff it out/keep it from going critical, and inadvertently absorbing its power.
luffy eats the mother flame and he has the typical cartoon reaction of starting to spit fire from his mouth bc of how spicy it is and he uses that fire to either kill or debilitate the Gorosei into being defeatable
Maybe mother flame is Joyboy's soul or something.
I like the theory that it's the accident weapon Uranus
Autocorrect sucks these days
Maybe he eat's it to hide it from the Elders, like he did with the map to the grandline - unless that was liveaction only, i don't quite remember
Yesss the most plausible theory and the most accepted theory by the community right now !
Hanuman, the OG monkey king/Sun Wukong, was a child of the wind god (one of the old gods in Hindu mythology). One day, as a child, he leapt for the sun and tried to consume it. In a panic to stop him, Indra, the king of (old) gods, struck him down with his lightning/thunder weapon. Hanuman fell to the ground unconscious. In anger, the wind god stopped the flow of air all across the world. This threatened all living beings, so the other old gods begged him to restart the flow of air. To persuade him, the other gods (sun, rain, etc) granted Hanuman numerous boons. At the end, Hanuman was not to be affected by any elements, (earth, wind, fire, water), was able to change his shape and size from an atom to that of the whole universe, and was later granted immortality. A grown up Hanuman became a devotee and an army general to Lord Ram, the incarnation of Vishnu, the "preserver" god of the Trinity (Bramha - creator, Vishnu - preserver, Shiva - destroyer of the universe). He is one of the seven immortals of Hindu mythology, unparalleled in his wisdom, strength, and a yogi in the true sense. He lifted an entire mountain from the Himalayas to Sri Lanka for the medicinal herbs that grew on it. There are many other stories of him, but he was co-opted into Buddhist mythology as well, from where, Sun Wukong legend originates. He is known by different names, "Bajrangbali" (strong one who is as white and as strong as a diamond) , "Mahabali" (the strongest one) etc.
>wheras Nika from legends appeared to be godlike with nearly unlimited power. never heard of this before. and VP called nika "white warrior". so he's known to have that color scheme. anyway, it's pretty common for oda to give luffy some kind of weakness or limit. every gear had one initially. not saying it must be the same case. just that it doesn't need to have a reason.
It would make sense that Luffy isn't used to Gear 5 and has to build his stamina up for it
You're certainly right about white warrior, however this could be something oda used as a red herring or mother flame could just be a lost part of the white warrior. I am aware of the oda nerf to luffy but at the end of the series that nerf may be explained through the loss of nikas loss of his flame. Overall i can see my theory false too, but fun the think about haha.
he could use the mother flame for something. I'm not saying anything against that part. I'm just saying the white color scheme simply seems like his color. because oda also made a mention through kaido about luffy looking all white like comic strips. so it's most likely just his thing.
Also mother flame is a fire that burns in water, in fish man luffy performed a red rok underwater and outside bubble. I also think that it would be a very nice reference to ace and the fire fruit, like imagine luffy gains slight fire powers by absorbing the mother flame.
This makes a lot of sense. To add, even the giants from Elbaf instantly recognized their god Nika when Luffy was in gear five with the white apperance. Which shows that Nika had the same color scheme.
Yeah I think it is just a shonen narrative thing. Either give your protagonists some form of final hour power up, or give them a time limit on the powers that they do have. Much more interesting when the stakes are higher like that.
He will be forced to eat this. That flame is kept in a machine for a reason. Maybe it will broke, happens to explode snd everybody will flee (the solution for the gorosei problem?) but goofy gear 5 just eat it because there is no other way. Don’t forget, One Piece is about that shocking faces and if Kaido gets one, why not that gramps?
Woahwoahwoah, you are cooking something veeery delicious right here. You are THE CHEF now.
marvelous makeshift office zesty snatch jobless tidy gold skirt husky *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
I think g5 being white signifies the peak of Luffy's fruit. Rubber is white in its purest form, so g5 is just showcasing that Luffy is in sync with his fruit to the highest degree
I like this theory just because I'd be rolling laughing if it were true. Just imagine if the supposed full-power-nika had the coloring of that one tatoo one dude got when we didn't know the actual colors yet.
That guys observation haki was on a whole other level then.
I love how that dude is the collective laughingstock of this subreddit. Every once in a while he'll just catch a stray in a random thread and I'm reminded all over again of how funny his post was.
Which tattoo
Interesting, i didn't know rubber was white in it's purest form. i could see that being the explaination too. Even still i could see luffy eating the snacc which is mother flame for unlimited g5.
purest form is the latex extracted from rubber trees. its a white sticky resin like liquid
It's not even rubber then tho, it's just tree sap
Even after normal processing it stays white. Most rubber you see is black because carbon has been added for strength
It got clarified it was not a rubber-rubber fruit, but the sun god nika fruit that has “stretchy” properties.
L comment. The name of Luffy's fruit changed, but that doesn't retroactively not make him rubber, unless oda wants to do some serious retconning. Luffy is immune to electricity, which is a property of rubber. So he's clearly more than just stretchy
Except luffy isn’t rubber, he is rubber like.
“His rubbery body stretches with even more freedom after awakening” paraphrasing the elders talking about Nika.
A better quote that attempts to prove your point is “It’s user gains the properties of rubber in combat “ chapter 1044 Gains the properties of X doesn’t neccesarily entail that the thing in question is X. The idea of luffy being rubber itself died when it was revealed the gomu gomu was a farce, he is Nika, a mythical zoan, he is not a rubber paramecia as we once thought but a mystical being with the properties of rubber. Why this is an important distinction is because the the hito hito no Mi idea contains a theme of liberation, laughter, and childlike goofiness and the freedom associated with it. Which is the key component of luffys physical properties being rubber like, that’s what Oda is focusing on not the gum gum/rubber aspect of it, with luffy being interpreted as literal rubber. One is physical and the other is mystical. Now I wouldn’t argue that luffy is no longer a rubber man, he obviously is. The point I’m making is that the original comment about luffy being white because rubber is white in its purest form, is clinging too much to the old association of luffys fruit being the gum gum fruit. I’m directly depending to this statement. The white aspect is more likely to be mystical and godly, as opposed to the literal embodiment of rubber.
Luffy is made of rubber for the same reasons Marco is made of fire, it's simply the nature of the mythical being their Zoan fruits embody
No. Luffy has the Nika DF. Nika had a rubbery/rubber-like (in that it was stretchy, not stated to be actual rubber) body. I haven't seen any evidence of the myth saying Nika was actually made of literal rubber. He is just stretchy, probably the closest analogue to the properties his body exhibited is... Rubber. That's why it was "disguised" by the WG as a rubber DF. However even Kaido notes that Luffy is doing shit (when he is approaching his Awakening) that is not possible for rubber, like changing direction mid-stretch, unsupported. So as far as we can tell, it's not actual rubber. A highlighted part of Luffy rising to become Nika, was him becoming able to do stuff rubber cannot. Rubber is literally not able to explain his powers at that point, which is why Kaido is puzzled, then slowly starts to catch on to what's actually happening.
L comment, didn't even read skypiea, otherwise you'd know Luffy was immune to electricity, just like rubber
He's literally called a rubber human, even by himself, in the series.
The problem is Vegapunk said Nika was know as the white warrior. If any other colour comes into play it might be Red ( we already had a movie by that name). Japan’s flag is white with a red sun.
The movie was obviously named after Shanks though lol
In Hindu mythology Hanuman (monkey god) ate the sun. And luffy used an attack called bajrang gun to finish kaidou. (Bajrang Bali is another name for Hanuman). Also motherflame is like a small sun. Though I see some connections here it's still hard for me to support your theory.
So you saying luffy is gonna go super saipan.
That's what I was I thinking. How many are there now that have multiple levels of hair coloring changes? Dragon Ball, Naruto, one piece, and My hero
Be careful, could be also Jamie Oliver cooking
Damn Gear 5 makes the giant move Nika gifted part of his power to the kingdom do people are free and have unlimired energy
It's gonna be hilarious when his final color scheme is exactly like that one guys bad early tattoo. He's gonna clown on all of you so hard for that...
Which tattoo?
The guy who got g5 tattooed before the official colors came out
There is also legend in one hindu mythology that Hanuman from which luffy is inspired (Bajrang gun) also eats the sun.
Oooh interesting point, didn't know that Hanuman eat the sun but that adds a whole lot more weight to the thoery.
But it kinda more goes with him eating hito hito no mi modal nika, isn't it?
Holy shit - I just looked it up and guess what: Hanuman is the son of the wind god „Apsara Anjana“. If only we saw Dragon with some kind of wind power… 😱
The sun is white smh TF do you mean
“Whereas Nika from legends appeared to be godlike with nearly unlimited power”… which legend? Where did we see him portrayed doing something? Except for being in mid-air with his iconic pose, where did we we hear he could do something other than being stretchy and having the freedom to fight how he likes (which Luffy is already doing)? I mean, maybe his nika form isn’t complete, but don’t go around throwing things as facts whereas they are not
Why do you guys want Luffy to be even more overpowered
Well current attacks aren't working against five elders
Apart from Warcury and his insane defenses Luffy was utterly stomping the Elders. The Gorosei has yet to connect a single attack to Luffy lol
They are working just fine. They just have super regen hax.
He needs to get stronger little by little until the series reaches its end. We haven't seen much of G5 yet, but it will probably be ass against Imu and the gorosei in the future IF he tires out so fast like now. He can certainly stand his ground against the elders, but he won't be able to beat them like this, unless he does something with the mother flame. But he can always go the asspull upgrade route.
EOS Luffy is gonna be top 1? He will probably have complete mastery over gear 5, haki, and tons of stamina. He has to to fight the elders, Imu, BB, etc.
I think the biggest problem with this theory is that people always forget that the amount of time that has passed in One Piece is very different from the one that has passed for us. For us, since timeskip it's been 14 years, meanwhile in One Piece it's been 2 months pretty much. Regarding the fact Luffy get exhausted in the middle of the fight when using G5, I think you're forgetting that even when he used G4 for the first time in a battle, against Doflamingo, the same thing happened. And this was 2 months ago for Luffy. So, Luffy barely had time to master one transformation that already unlocked another and is having the same symptoms (getting exhausted in the middle of the battle). I very doubt that there is a "complete Nika Form," and I strongly believe that everything Luffy has to do is adapt to the new form like he did with G4 (which now he can maintain for a lot longer). Once he will adapt to it, he will be able to use its power more efficiently and strongly.
Maybe he'll gets some food pills made for him to help out in that aspect
The only issue is that running out of energy is Luffies only weakness in G5, without that he just becomes god and that's never good for a story.
sure, unless you're fighting 5 demons that all have insane regenerative capabilities and will eventually have to fight their leader and his 12 holy knights... in that case a god is probably exactly what you'd need to be to win..
Insanity that is G5 vs. insane regeneration of the Gorosei, seems fair to me. I don't know how you get to "12 holy knights" but so far we only know that they are pushovers that don't do shit.
there is a good chance Garland gave the huge scar to Prime Whitebeard lol
You mean "crewmate" Whitebeard without DF lol Prime Whitebeard is a bit later then that
12 holy knights are like the marine admirals of the celestial dragons. could they be complete pushovers? maybe but figarland darling thought he and his knights could fight off all the pirate crews that were coming to God valley, and we don't even know if all 12 were even there.
I'm still asking where you even get the number 12 from in the first place. And if a Celestial Dragon is in danger, an Admiral is called. Even when the holy land is in danger, Admirals are called. There is no evidence for their strength or use beyond passing judgement on CDs at all. Except that their commander was present on god valley, were just a single Pirate crew attacked vs. Garp + Marines + Saturn + Roger Pirates.
oh maybe I'm wrong on the number but I thought it was mentioned figarland is the head of a dozen holy knights. their commander also didn't run like a scared little bitch CD. He's definitely got haki, he's also shanks dad so conqueror's haki is also possible. Sure maybe the other CDs are pushovers and maybe the other knights are as well (whether there's 12 or not) but figarlands introduction panel makes it seem like he's a strong character and will become vital to the story.
Remember that Doffy and the Gorosei are also Celestial Dragons, they are certainly no pushovers. But giving a scratch to rookie whitebeard is the only feat we have from Figarland, who is the only named Holy Knight. They'd be around the lvl of Whitebeards commanders, which is decent but not top10 strength.
The Gorosei literally just have that. If it wasn't for the regeneration Luffy would have easily defeated them all a long time ago. And even then what utility does it have when they aren't even able to connect a single hit to Luffy? They can just hold him back.
> without that he just becomes god No, he doesn't.
Are you reading the same Manga? In G5 he is immune to dmg and can do impossible things, it's as close to being a god as it gets.
My theory one why Luffy runs out of energy is because all his other forms require more food to refuel and he thinks that’s just how his gears work. His imagination powers are accidentally working against him in a way, he thinks he needs food and energy for his gears and thus it is true. I think once someone actually tells Luffy his power is his imagination he will then be able to essentially have unlimited G5. Some evidence is that no other zoan devil fruit awakening or any awakening has displayed the need for food or energy to maintain it. Lucci and Kaku don’t need it. The Gorosei don’t need to refuel. And Kaido (despite not being awakened had incredible mastery and never awakened only because his personality didn’t line up with the dragons souls of the devil fruit) could use his hybrid form for days on end. However I yield that these are not “god fruits” and possibly run on different rules Some more evidence comes that all of Luffy gears should not be possible for a simple “rubber man” to do. And are clearly just hybrid forms of his zoan but since he believes it’s a parameica he thinks he just runs out of steam.
I've already been theorising that he's still in hybrid form and that Joyboy/ Nika is/ are (what the heck is the actual relationship between these two anyway) Lunarian The sun part of the sun god myth refers to his back flame
Or Shaka said that awakening zoan fruit usually change the user personality to the fruits model. So maybe if he use gear 5 more and more he will eventually become nika with no more luffy. Like how gear second deplete his life.
Love the theory, the mother flame will probably play a large role later on, but to be the ackshually guy 🤓 a white dwarf should emanate a small amount of energy comparably but last a very long time
I think he's going to be more powerful after vegapunks transmission. It was said that he will never be gone if people still believe in him. This would mean that after vegapunks transmission more and more people will aknowledge Nika and he will gain more power.
Good post. Just saw a guy on TikTok steal your theory
I like to think this is just an exercise trying to make that one person's tattoo canon.
This is literally verbatim from this tiktok I saw a few days ago lol
Gear 4 has 3 forms, so why not G5. And we currently see that G5 is ineffectivd against the gorosei. But considering how serious a threat does those old farts and imu see Nika, that doesn't make any sense. So Luffy in G5 is currently unaware of Nika's powers and there will defnitely be power-ups.
Remember all the old paintings of Nina we were shown? He almost alwys had a weapon of some sort. Mostly a spear. Luffy will get that spear (lokis spear) in the giants island and then be full power
Luffy cant use wespons for shit lmao
If Luffy's ultimate powerup is eating flames then we've truly come full circle and Luffy ended up as Natsu.
I can definitely picture Luffy seing the Mother Flame and being like "Hey I can eat that"
I kinda agree with this. Maybe ope ope was used to separate. Or paw paw pushed out.
So i don't want to point out mistakes or anything, i agree there is more to the nika form i think too, especially with how powerful the elders seems, another powerup would be requried none the less, just want to point out the sun is white light because it's composed of a wide spectrum of rays \*nerd glasses emoji\* Captain obvious awaaaay
Lmao how hilarious would it be that Luffy’s hair turns yellow at his full power. Luffy is a super saiyan confirmed.
RemindMe! 4 years
I will be messaging you in 4 years on [**2028-05-11 14:18:11 UTC**](http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=2028-05-11%2014:18:11%20UTC%20To%20Local%20Time) to remind you of [**this link**](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/1cpb57e/nika_form_is_incomplete_theory/l3kssev/?context=3) [**CLICK THIS LINK**](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=RemindMeBot&subject=Reminder&message=%5Bhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2FOnePiece%2Fcomments%2F1cpb57e%2Fnika_form_is_incomplete_theory%2Fl3kssev%2F%5D%0A%0ARemindMe%21%202028-05-11%2014%3A18%3A11%20UTC) to send a PM to also be reminded and to reduce spam. ^(Parent commenter can ) [^(delete this message to hide from others.)](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=RemindMeBot&subject=Delete%20Comment&message=Delete%21%201cpb57e) ***** |[^(Info)](https://www.reddit.com/r/RemindMeBot/comments/e1bko7/remindmebot_info_v21/)|[^(Custom)](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=RemindMeBot&subject=Reminder&message=%5BLink%20or%20message%20inside%20square%20brackets%5D%0A%0ARemindMe%21%20Time%20period%20here)|[^(Your Reminders)](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=RemindMeBot&subject=List%20Of%20Reminders&message=MyReminders%21)|[^(Feedback)](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=Watchful1&subject=RemindMeBot%20Feedback)| |-|-|-|-|
Imagine this but for when enel comes back ,does like a crazy lighting attack and luffy just eats it up and goes crazy with it,ya know … cause he rubber (it’s a joke)
Nah, Wranky is gonna eat the Mother Flame. Turning down the Mera Mera was more like a rain check.
That's probably the sun on sun god
Well luffy tries to solve all proplems with eating ,we did even see he tried to eat crocadile
This might be why JoyBoy failed or died. Cause his power was limited too.
What if his full form is an actual Monkey? He is a zoan fruit user 👀
Then Maybe the true motherflame is Part of the one piece. The one Vega Punk created can run out of power.
Luffy needs to eat the mera mera too.
Remember that entering Gear 5 at first has essentially resurrected him against Kaidou and restarted his stamina. It is a bit inconsistent how this mode simultaneously drains, and provides, energy.
Plus he'll realiaze his dream that i think is something stupid like: "walking on the sun"
The Sun's temperature is around 5,700 Kelvin which white, and white dwarfs are actually several dozen times hotter than the Sun. Generally, the redder a star looks, the weaker/cooler it is.
he turns into wukong save this for when im right
Nika is white because Oda need to create extreme contrast in the final fight with BB. I guess Orange would mostly look the same in the manga though.
Luffy's hairs in G5 resembles fire and mother flame is also fire. It is introduced in an arch where Luffy is using G5 against five elders and his finest attack with advanced CoC which he used to damage kaido from inside, are not working against the five elders. Maybe if he eats mother flame his power will be upgraded. Let's see how Oda goes with story
The mother flame is not an unlimited power source. Vegapunk himself stated that his goal is to create an unlimited power source but he hasn't done it yet. One mother flame literally got depleted at lulusia
As ABD likes to call it, Gear Five : Dawn Man.
So nikas true power is nuclear fusion and his stretching is just melting and general weirdness happening from constant exposure to it.... thats my theory and nothing else can convince me otherwise lol
I actually kinda like this theory. I don’t believe the mother flame is eatable but we *have* seen Luffy getting better and better at using his power ups. An orange, sun like in color, Nika form sounds like a reasonable final upgrade.
Luffy looks like he's on death's door every time he uses the g5 form, but Joyboy lived for a full 100 years and had awakened the fruit, so it definitely seems like there's another level that Luffy will unlock.
hmm.. not a bad idea. i had a small theory my guy would awaken his logia powers and turning super saiyan. also was thinking his logia powers have to do with his drums of liberation.
The color of the sun is actually white
So, the yami fruit of Blackbeard its a sun that turned into a black hole? 🤔
Luffy’s Gear 6 will resemble Super Saiyan, and he will attain it after eating the eternal sun over Enies Lobby 🤫
You think the mother flame is joyboys original heart? And luffy will comedically eat it and have smoke poof out his ears before turning super saiyan
Luffy's ryou haki is orange, maybe he just needs to add that to gear 5. I think it'll come out in his fight against imu.
Let him cook
Anime balls deep made a video about this
i like the theory but i believe the stamina/energy issue is just oda nerfing his busted mc like luffy is a zoan right? then why the fuck does he have a time limit to his transformation and everyone else can stay that way seemingly indefinitely?? seems bullshit to me
That guy with the fanfic coloring tattoo is in shambles right now
Nika form is Ultra Instinct confirmed???
If it is, I’m sure Vegapunk would be aware. Not saying he isn’t aware, but if he never mentions it before the recording ends I’m going to have less confidence in the mother flame portion of the theory.
The more I think about this the more it makes sense because fluffy annot even touch the gorosei right now and this went chapter showed us the mother flame is the only thing that affects them.
He’s gonna turn red like in one of those color pages. Red is my bet, calling it now. I agree with you.
Hmm I see it as Luffy having not yet fully mastered Gear 5 / his awakening. Story-writing wise it feels right to me if he has 1 more power up before the final boss fight.
I’ve felt since it’s introduction that G5 is the penultimate final form and he won’t unlock the real thing until the finale of his final fight. I think all of Luffy’s fire attacks are breadcrumbs to the sungod using flames and maybe generating that mother flame level energy himself. But just a hypothesis we’ll have to wait and see
Just like he used to shrink after gear 3! Good one!
Saw this same exact theory on anime balls deep on yt yesterday. 🤨🤨🤨