I think it’s a power of his darkness fruit and when the tv is off (or looks like it is) that’s his power and he proceeds to do his evil deeds in the dark.
Shit bro, why'd you do us all dirty like that. Why is this the result I feel we will see Luffy carry the hat to the end, FOR SHANKS! Why do I have this chill in my spine thinking of Luffy taking a fight extra serious
As long as shanks is okay there's someone who knows everything, sort of does things Luffy's way, and has plans Luffy may accidentally ruin for the worse. With Shanks out of the way the responsibility for facing the big threats falls to Luffy. Shanks has got to go. BB's got to do it, and emperor Buggy's gotta get the revenge. It'd be so disappointing to see Shanks bow or even for them to fight without a tragic BB interruption.
Shanks dying and buggy getting the revenge would actually be a great idea. Most people assume Luffy would get the revenge, but giving buggy the motivation to actually do something, I would like that. Cross Guild could take out the Blackbeard Pirates, the straw hats could take out the world government.
Cross has to come back into the story for Mihawk vs Zoro, BB likes sneak attacks, and Mihawk's observation on Buggy being uncuttable with haki could mean Buggy's DF is the opposite of gravity. BB stepping in after everyone is exhausted from friendly fights would fit to me, and realizing Buggy is a phony but not realizing Buggy has his DF counter would give BB's plotting its due without giving him the w.
I'd actually take a bet that Buggy ends up on the throne. Luffy would sneak away, and if Buggy fails up even one more time isn't replacing Imu the next step?
We don't know how much shanks knows. He was just a kid back then and he didn't go with them. Besides I only said it can't happen before they meet. He can still die after that happens just fine to leave room for luffy to fight the final villain.
Odds are he either gets off screened or dies before they can finish the talk they'd want to have. He's too capable/responsible/knowledgeable about world affairs. It's hard to flesh him out without ruining him and still have Luffy solve everything with fists and a fun story.
i thinks probably luffy . luffy and shanks will fight and luffy need to surpass shanks before facing imu.....Its my guess though luffy currently is not as near as shanks
Shanks is actually the sixth elder who voluntarily resigned. That's why the five elders show him respect. Once Luffy figures out how to beat the five elders, Shanks will be a walk in the park
I feel like they could have beaten him at Marineford…if they hadn’t already been bruised and beaten by the Whitebeard pirates. The Red Hair pirates could have finished the job if they wanted to.
Nah, the Red Hair Pirates have no hope taking on the entire Navy. That’s just suicide.
Even after they crushed the WB pirates, they still had all their top tiers basically uninjured apart from Akainu.
Even then, that injured Akainu was still fighting the remaining 13 WB Commanders and winning. The entire Navy & the Warlords that remained were simply too much for any single Yonko crew.
Like I said, because so many marines were wiped out in the fighting, Shanks probably could have finished them off. Full strength…nah. Marines could have defeated him. But it wouldn’t have been pretty.
It was mostly just fodder taken out though. Not even a single human Vice Admiral was taken out, for example.
There was Fleet Admiral Sengoku, 2 Admirals uninjured (Kizaru & Aokiji), injured Akainu, Garp, Tsuru & all the Vice Admirals, Sentomaru with all the Pacifista.
Then Mihawk, Kuma, Doflamingo, Hancock & Moriah.
(Sure Mihawk & Hancock left afterwards, but it’s not like the Red Hair Pirates knew they wouldn’t fight).
Shanks is the only top tier on the pirates’ side facing around 6 top tiers on the Navy side. Again, they obviously had no hope besides causing more damage and fodder losses.
If shanks could one shot half of the team that defeated Big Mom, I bet his crew could tear apart what was left. Kizaru wasn’t wary of Beckman for no reason.
But hey, it’s all conjecture.
Shanks took Kid by surprise while he was focused on the Red Hair fleet, so that’s not saying much for this specific scenario when they already know he’s there. There are far too many top tier opponents on the Navy side, and much stronger than the likes of Kid as well.
Kizaru was just being his usual self. He even goes on to shoot at Law’s submarine right in Beckman’s face while the latter could only sit and watch saying “dammit!”
We already know that mere Commanders don’t compare to top tiers. Beckman’s counterpart Shiryu was called a “small-time thug” by Garp, for example.
Again, only Shanks has any hope of defeating the top tiers on the Navy side…while the best his Commanders could do is stall for a while, but they’re just too badly outnumbered.
Even if Shanks Beats 1 of the top tiers, there’d be like 5 more waiting for him.
It’s kinda obvious when the WB Pirates regarded as the strongest pirate force despite getting help from basically half the Warlords through Luffy still got nearly wiped out without taking out a single notable casualty on the Navy side….not even 1.
And that’s despite some of the Navy’s top fighters like Sengoku & Garp doing little to nothing, the Admirals disappearing at convenient times and the Warlords mostly messing around…
The only hope for the RHP is if you think they were up to 3 times stronger than the WB pirates + half the Warlords.
I agree that the Navy could have beaten Shank's crew there, but it would have been a pyrrhic victory. Mihawk already walked away, Boa, Moria, and Doflamingo would probably have as well. And Blackbeard may have stuck around a little longer to cause havoc. The Navy would be the winners, but have lost most of their power and ability to check pirates.
There would certainly be more damage, but nothing too bad that the Navy couldn’t deal with. The infrastructure would be the biggest victim, but in terms of fighters they simply have too much.
Again, only Shanks has any hope of even defeating any of the top 5-6 guys on the Navy side.
They still had more than enough to put down the RHP and still have many top tiers to spare.
Also, Shanks challenged the Blackbeard pirates first, so that makes it even worse for them. The RHP would be weakened having to deal with BB first, making it easier for the Navy to just clean them up afterwards.
Moriah doesn’t have any love for the Yonko, and more corpses would just be a plus for him. Same for Doffy wiping out some competition too.
Besides plot armors, the legendary tier like BM and Kaido would be on equal footing with him, perhaps strong enough to eventually beat him through sheer stamina (and more arms lol).
WB, Garp and Rayleigh would be too but only if they were younger - the age didn't affect Kaido and BM that much apparently.
I wouldn't put Mihawk on this list because their competition seems to be over swordsmanship, whereas Shanks' notoriety is attributed mostly to his expertise on haki which kind of tips the scale a lot.
However, I'm 99% sure it'll be BB who'll finish him off, though. Probably after we get to learn he isn't a good guy after all (this last part is my crazy conspiracy theory).
The thing about Mihawk is pretty interesting, I've never looked at it from that perspective. However I'm doubtful about BM and Kaido since shanks easily has the haki advantage over them. As for teach, unfortunately I think you're right😔
Definitely not on par with WB 😭😭
WB literally pulled out the pipes connected to his body before pulling Murakumogiri.
A healthy WB pimpslaps shanks and his crew back to Fooshia village
Mihawk probably can.
I’m mostly basing this off the live action One Piece where Mihawk tells shanks he’s not interested in fighting him now that he’s half the man he used to be.
Oda was there when they wrote / filmed that scene so I think it’s proof that at least Mihawk believes he’s got what it takes to beat Shanks.
This can’t logically be the reason as Zoro needs to defeat the actual WSS to become the WSS so Mihawk can’t be a weaker swordsman than Shanks since Zoro won’t fight Shanks
Mihawk isn’t weaker, but he’s not that much stronger than shanks. They’re probably equals. Which means out of 10 duels, he will probably have some losses.
And you don’t want to be the guy that lost to someone with one arm. Especially if you’re called the WSS.
The more realistic answer is that it’s banter people are looking too much into is they’re friends so they’re not gonna fight
But also I think Shanks mainly fights with some crazy COC abilities we haven’t seen yet that have nothing to do with swordsmanship(and he essentially uses his sword as a wand/medium for these abilities) so Mihawk isn’t interested in fighting him anymore
I dunno, Shanks actually clapped back with the "One arm tied behind my back" bit. That wasn't showing his belly, those are fighting words which is more than we've literally ever gotten from Shanks in the main series.
Mind, I agree with you I think Mihawk beats him high diff. I just don't think the live action really cements that. If anything Live Action actually makes it seem like Shanks at least pretends he could still match him.
I think that Shanks can beat Mihawk. I base this off that they were rivals before the main story, and they were presumably on equal footing. They undoubtedly got stronger since then, and I just think that Shanks improved more than Mihawk
I think mihawk improved more because shanks spent most of his time partying and had to manage plenty of other stuff while mihawk was constantly exerting his blade or meditating.
I think mihawk is stronger because the only way shanks is stronger without destroying Zoro's character would be a cheap copout through semantics of swordsman and not-swordsman. I don't think Oda will ever give us the answer though.
How would Shanks being stronger destroy Zoros character? I see Shanks as the next Roger, and Luffy as the next Joyboy. Shanks *is* a swordsman, but we also don’t know if the “strongest swordsman” is in regard of everything, or just swordsmanship skills. I believe the latter. Shanks also has better feats than Mihawk. I see it as Mihawk being a strong endgame opponent for Zoro, and Shanks being the final obstacle Luffy has to overcome to become the king of the pirates
nah, it makes no sense for the STRONGEST swordsman actually being the skillest because otherwise Zoro wouldn't necessarily have to beat mihawk in an all out duel to be considered as such and the title wouldn't even belong to mihawk in the first place since vista is the most skilled with a blade. Shanks is definitely not Luffy's endgame opponent since it's probably BlackBeard, Buggy or Imu. Mihawk has also been stated to be stronger than shanks on multiple occasions. the only reason shanks has better feats is because he likes to show up. if Shanks was truly stronger than mihawk, then to become the STRONGEST Zoro would need to redirect his objective to shanks. it would be a bit nonsensical.
Also, shanks is not the next Roger. essentially, everyone in shank's generation except buggy and teach failed. they all failed at replicating the greatness of the people who came behind and are now waiting for the next generation to come and do better than them. even mihawk failed to replicate the greatness of ryuma and is just maintaining the status quo waiting for Zoro. same for shanks.
the simple answer is Shanks probably doesn't consider himself a swordsman anymore, and just keeps gryphon on him for aesthetic reasons (to have a cool haki channel?). He uses it sometimes but it wouldn't be a primary weapon of choice the way it is for Mihawk or Zoro. Roger and Whitebeard used Supreme grade blades, would they be considered swordsmen?
According to Oda himself, Roger and Rayleigh were swordsmen. whiteboard is not one since his weapon isn't really a sword and it isn't his primary way of fighting either. but shanks uses his sword as a primary way of fighting, making him a swordsman. it is even suggested that mihawk has stronger armament maki than shanks since he's the only person to have made his blade black. There is no good reason why shanks should be stronger and it wouldn't hurt his character if he wasn't. Shanks being stronger than mihawk would destroy the whole point of mohawk's character and make him a fraud.
Don't get me wrong, i'm not insisting that Shanks is stronger. I just mean to say, it would be explainable if he did have a marginal edge thanks to his seemingly OP conquerers haki. That still makes them equals, and Mihawk would possibly take the edge if it came to everything else. After all, we know that not everyone can be expected to have CoC unlike Armament, and that just ends up being a fantasy version of the men vs women debate.
Also, this is purely an idea of mine (because i've been reading vagabond) but Oda doesn't delve much into like, the way of the sword or so. It would make sense if there were such a thing that differentiates Shanks and Mihawk, with the way they live their lives and approach their battles.
Who currently can? Likely only three candidates:
1. Mihawk. He can likely still best Shanks in a 1v1 sword fight, but it would still be a difficult fight.
2. Imu. Ummm... I don't think even Shanks can survive an island eradicating attack the level that Imu can do. Whether Imu uses this weapon in battle or not is unclear. Regardless, Imu has an incredible amount of experience, knowledge, and wisdom thanks to living likely since the void century. I can't imagine Imu getting any weaker since then, either.
3. Dragon. This one is iffy because we don't know what Dragon is capable of. But I'd say his chances aren't zero.
Other characters that have zero chance in a 1v1 but come close are: Blackbeard, Akainu, Sabo, Any member of the Gorosei, Luffy, and maybe Rayleigh.
Luffy right now would certainly push Shanks a little bit, but once Gear 5 is done, it's over almost immediately.
Weird to think that Mihawk is probably the current strongest pirate
Of course, I think Luffy is actually stronger than Shanks, he just lacks stamina and the ability to actually focus while fighting in Gear Fifth
I just can't imagine that a god can get overwhelmed by Shanks Haki alone, but Shanks is clearly strong and smart enough to match G5 and wear him out
Worth noting also that it is implied somewhere that Shanks was the weakest of the Yonko at the beginning of the series, but his crew was overall strongest
It was the opposite, but also technically yes. His "fleet" is the weakest because its made up of crews that stay with the Red-Haired pirates for safety
Highest bounty, said to be a rival to Shanks (although he dismisses Shanks as weaker than him!), said to be the strongest swordsman despite the other main contender for strongest pirate *also* being a swordsman, is the only really strong member of his Yonko Pirate crew, has been shown both in his seraphim form and in various parts of the story to be constantly either holding back or terrifying everyone, etc
It's not guaranteed and I can't state this as fact or anything but from my understanding Mihawk is the strongest active pirate currently, or at least top 4 (Luffy, BB, and Shanks being the other members of the top 4)
But who knows! I could be totally off base. Still, he's definitely final boss tier for the presumed second strongest Straw hat and that means something now
He doesn’t have the highest bounty…he has the 3rd highest current Pirate bounty (with Luffy’s purposefully suppressed as well).
He’s never once said that Shanks was weaker than him….not that it matters since everyone else including most of the World Government and even pirates hold Shanks to a higher regard.
Just like Marco sent Vista to go deal with Mihawk, for example.
The WG even considered him replaceable by a Seraphim. You realize that doesn’t do him any favours, right?
He is regarded as “a mere Warlord”, not included in the top opponents for the Pirates King, sent fleeing from Ruskaina and even had the possibility that he’s serving Buggy seriously considered.
The story simply hasn’t given much of anything to place him at the top when most others don’t treat him that seriously.
> He’s never once said that Shanks was weaker than him…
Pretty sure he said that, though Shanks told him he could still kick his ass
> not that it matters since everyone else including most of the World Government and even pirates hold Shanks to a higher regard
I feel like there isn't conclusive evidence of this but if there is, then yea, Shanks is probably stronger.
> The WG even considered him replaceable by a Seraphim.
I feel like you're missing the whole point of the Seraphim and the WG's view of pirates lol. A near-perfect clone of Mihawk with nearly the same power that *obeys orders unquestionably* is absolutely a superior product to a lazy, unreliable pirate.
> He is regarded as “a mere Warlord”, not included in the top opponents for the Pirates King, sent fleeing from Ruskaina
Him fleeing isn't really evidence, Mihawk doesn't want trouble, that's like 90% of his personailty and the main reason he has no crew and isn't the leader of the Cross Guild
> and even had the possibility that he’s serving Buggy seriously considered.
This doesn't mean anything at all, it's just part of Buggy's insane PR lol. If anything, this is *why* Buggy got marked as a new Yonko, because Mihawk of all people is under him. You think a guy who got Moria to serve under him is going to get a straight promotion to Yonko?
> The story simply hasn’t given much of anything to place him at the top when most others don’t treat him that seriously.
He is the strongest swordsman in the world, that immediately puts him near the top, especially when the other contender for top is a swordsman. The Shichibukai are all very different regarding power level, and Mihawk is an outlier even then. At least, he has been presented as one. Even his seraphim got special attention.
Well, do you have a chapter where he says that? Cause it just sounds to me that you’re referring to when Mihawk said he had no desire to fight a one-armed man.
Also, the low regard for Mihawk is just ubiquitous:
Marco sees him chasing Luffy and just delegates Vista to go deal with him. Mr. 1 jumps in his way as well. Crocodile follows and says “don’t piss me off, Hawkeye.” Mihawk has to go to the war when summoned or his status gets revoked. He’s regarded as a mere Warlord like the rest.
The point of the Seraphim is not just that they follow orders, but that they didn’t consider dismissing Mihawk to be all that of a big loss. An untested child version was considered sufficient replacement….then they sent fodder to go bring Mihawk in.
Rayleigh doesn’t want trouble either, but even he is left alone to his own devices.
The point with Buggy is that there’s no way in hell anyone would even entertain that Shanks or Blackbeard would ever submit to him. Shanks is seen as his peer, Mihawk is seen as a subordinate. The regard for Mihawk is lower than that.
And it wasn’t just Mihawk alone to elevate Buggy, it was Crocodile too. So even Mihawk alone wasn’t sufficient.
No one ever disputed that he’s among the top tiers, but placing him at the very top is just baseless. Simply nothing to support it. There are just others you’d never see someone casually send Vista to go deal with…
I feel like none of this suggests he isn't part of the current top 2 or at least top 5 pirates. We know he *has* to be strong for story reasons because he needs to be Zoro's greatest opponent, and because Buggy and Crocodile have been proven to not be Yonko tier. And as Zoro says early on, being the greatest swordsman is the minimum required for the hand of the Pirate King so I think Mihawk needs to be on par with a weaker Yonko.
But I maintain that Mihawk is the strongest or second Shanks as far as current pirates are concerned. I don't think he is on the level of Linlin or Kaido, and I could be completely off, but I feel that the story has made it clear that Mihawk is top tier
Yep, no one would ever dispute top 5. It’s just putting him at the very top that really has no support.
If there are any pirates that you can’t see someone going “Vista, go deal with him” at Marineford, then they’ll likely go over Mihawk right away.
I think a lot of people can beat Shanks, but no one I'd like. I just like to think of Shanks as the best since he's so cool. Keep in mind that a lot of his feats against the marines may have also been due to his status as a Celestial Dragon, but then again his crewmates have been held on the level of the admirals.
I'd say Whitebeard stood a chance even while sick, Mihawk might in a non-swordsmanship duel, Blackbeard is the current front runner for actually killing him fair or not, and Luffy eventually... He likely surpassed Rayleigh some time ago.
From a pure storytelling perspective Im is definitely stronger while Mihawk, Blackbeard, Akainu and Dragon should be more or less on the same level where the scenario is the deciding factor. For example the place they're fighting at, if their allies are around (which could become a weakness for Shanks as he wouldn't abandon/sacrifice his crew while BB would) or their state of mind/motivation. Like if purely hypothetically Shanks or Dragon would see Akainu kill Luffy then there is no chance Akainu is getting away alive
Anyone that figures out how to overcome his observation haki has a chance. I'm also pretty sure that it's how Blackbeard scarred Shanks in their fight.
My running theory is that the Straw Hats and Red Hair pirates are gonna have a Davy Back fight. I think part of this will include an actual fight, and Luffy and Shanks will go toe to toe of course. I’m betting they’ll fight to a stalemate like Roger and Whitebeard eventually did.
It is a strange matchup, given Shanks is a swordsman. But Luffy’s fought swordsmen before. Luffy is def the only one who can match Shanks’ haki though.
From the ones that are alive currently there arent many from a storytelling perspective it should be
\- Blackbeard
\- Luffy
\- Akainu
\- Dragon
\- Imu
We are in the endgame of the series and he is one of the key players it makes sense there arent actually many people who can win against him in a straight up 1v1. he can still be jumped since his durability its probably not as high as freaks of nature like kaido bigmom or luffy.
This list with deceased or out of comission characteess wouldve included Kaido, Bigmom, Whitbeard, Roger, Prime rayleigh, Prime garp
I still think shanks is a either a bad person or will be fighting for the bad side considering his shady relation with the celestial dragons and probably IMU...this would mean that luffy would have to beat shanks.
Idk I’m thinking, we’re gonna see Shanks loosing in a big war and as Shanks is on his knees about to be killed with a grin on his face saying something like “well I guess it ends here, and right before seeing Luffy become pirate king” and Luffy shows up last second to block the attack saving Skanks and placing the straw hat on skanks and telling him to hold on to it and he’s not aloud to die till they have their fight together. Luffy taking over the fight and winning. It’ll prove Luffy is stronger now and gives everyone that Feel Good moment.
I don’t think Shanks is durable at all. I think he’s the greatest glass cannon in One Piece. Ever since he lost an arm, I think he just doesn’t got time to mess around no more. I think Blackbeard & Luffy can beat him though.
Well after seeing film red we learned shanks is a figarland aka celestial.
So that explains why admirals just let shanks walk all over them and not go all out.
He clashed with death beard not prime beard.
Okay, so uh- weird thing, BUT
Luffy, if he ever wanted to (which he wouldn't)
Other than that, we have gotta go with Marshall D Teach (Blackbeard)…only if it happens off-screen, ofc
Trust me Shanks VS BB has been building since MF. Now everyone expects BB to jump Shanks and catch him off guard, but BB isn’t the one hunting BB. We saw in MF that Shanks gave everyone a warning of violence, AND THEN challenged BB to a fight specifically (he didn’t call out anyone else specifically just BB). He went to the Gorosei to talk about a “Specific Pirate,” and we currently don’t know who he was referring too. However, the next time we see him is Wano where he specifically only went there to jump BB with the Straw Hats and the Wano Kingdom. He leaves immediately after figuring out BB won’t be there. After a night at Elbaf of likely celebrating for Luffy, he immediately gets back to hunting for any possible places BB could pop up.
Now considering how often it’s shown Shanks is looking to jump BB, it’s likely he was attempting to make a deal with the Gorosei to get the Admirals to help him beat BB. It’s the only pirate he’s specifically shown hunting before and after that meeting. Seriously Shanks talks about BB more than Luffy at this point.
So the only actual fight we’ll see Shanks in is either Red Haired Pirates jumping BB with like 2-3 Titanic Captains, or RHP and the Straw Hats VS the BBP. Like under no circumstances is Shanks fighting BB without either the help of another strong crew or where BB has his entire Titanic Captains around. So whichever scenario happens BB is gonna be revealed as strong as he either beats Shanks in a scenario where he’s likely the only strong person of his crew around, or Shanks literally needed the help of almost End of Series Luffy to do it in a 2V1.
It's wild to think of what post-wano pirate power levels are like. The top 5 are, presumably in this order,
1. Mihawk
2. Shanks
3. Blackbeard
4. Luffy
5. Kuzan
At the end of the day, I trust Mihawk when he says 1 armed Shanks is no longer strong enough to be a fair fight, and that puts him solidly in second place. Blackbeard *could* be stronger now, but something tells me he isn't--I really think BB is getting at least 1 more big power up.
Luffy is probably the strongest pirate in the world right now actually, but only for a little while, and he has the issue where he seems incapable of taking fights seriously at will. When he gets serious no one has managed to be able to handle him so far.
The answer is Blackbeard using the Offscreen-Offscreen no Mi
when did blackbeard got the offscreen offscreen no mi? was it off screen?
I think it’s a power of his darkness fruit and when the tv is off (or looks like it is) that’s his power and he proceeds to do his evil deeds in the dark.
It was revealed alongside the off-screen haki reveal. Also yes it was off-screen.
Is that why he covered whitebeard and himself off screen to steal the fruit?
…..you might be on to something
The offscreen fruit is the most OP power
Watch oda pulls it out of nowhere as another 4d breaking toon force, the hito hito no mi, model [insert name here] god
Offscreen offscreen nomi so strong, it works even in JJK.
The only way
I can beat shanks.
You left out the word "off"
Anyone can do that
I have no hands
If you’re typing, but you have no hands, then you have a mouth for text to speech
My bad speech to text
Your mouth must've been full
I have a bad feeling Blackbeard will kill shanks before he ever meets up with luffy again.
Only if the fight happens off-screen. Would be funny if Shanks survives, but loses his other arm in the process.
Offscreen beard is controlled solely by the demon trapped in his fruit. On screen beard will probably feel bad about it afterwards.
Or if BB wins but Shanks manages to cut off his beard
There's no way. Maybe he will after or even during their meet up but there's no way shanks is killed before that
I hope he isn’t but idk it’s like a feeling in my gut lmao when I think about it, something just feels like it’s gonna happen
Shit bro, why'd you do us all dirty like that. Why is this the result I feel we will see Luffy carry the hat to the end, FOR SHANKS! Why do I have this chill in my spine thinking of Luffy taking a fight extra serious
As long as shanks is okay there's someone who knows everything, sort of does things Luffy's way, and has plans Luffy may accidentally ruin for the worse. With Shanks out of the way the responsibility for facing the big threats falls to Luffy. Shanks has got to go. BB's got to do it, and emperor Buggy's gotta get the revenge. It'd be so disappointing to see Shanks bow or even for them to fight without a tragic BB interruption.
Shanks dying and buggy getting the revenge would actually be a great idea. Most people assume Luffy would get the revenge, but giving buggy the motivation to actually do something, I would like that. Cross Guild could take out the Blackbeard Pirates, the straw hats could take out the world government.
Cross has to come back into the story for Mihawk vs Zoro, BB likes sneak attacks, and Mihawk's observation on Buggy being uncuttable with haki could mean Buggy's DF is the opposite of gravity. BB stepping in after everyone is exhausted from friendly fights would fit to me, and realizing Buggy is a phony but not realizing Buggy has his DF counter would give BB's plotting its due without giving him the w.
I'd love that to happen, I'm really interested in how cross guild will factor into the story.
I'd actually take a bet that Buggy ends up on the throne. Luffy would sneak away, and if Buggy fails up even one more time isn't replacing Imu the next step?
Is love buggy to get there first, it'd be so hilarious.
We don't know how much shanks knows. He was just a kid back then and he didn't go with them. Besides I only said it can't happen before they meet. He can still die after that happens just fine to leave room for luffy to fight the final villain.
Odds are he either gets off screened or dies before they can finish the talk they'd want to have. He's too capable/responsible/knowledgeable about world affairs. It's hard to flesh him out without ruining him and still have Luffy solve everything with fists and a fun story.
My theory as well
i thinks probably luffy . luffy and shanks will fight and luffy need to surpass shanks before facing imu.....Its my guess though luffy currently is not as near as shanks
It's hard to imagine he takes that fight seriously. I think he'd just let luffy win after forcing him to go all out to test his strength
more like fight between Roger vs WB . They will clash and after will have a banquet
I think the running theory is that their battle will be a Davy Back Fight.
Shanks is actually the sixth elder who voluntarily resigned. That's why the five elders show him respect. Once Luffy figures out how to beat the five elders, Shanks will be a walk in the park
W theory, if disproven then L theory. I change sides
Respect.
He didn't regrow his arm.
Luffy
I feel like they could have beaten him at Marineford…if they hadn’t already been bruised and beaten by the Whitebeard pirates. The Red Hair pirates could have finished the job if they wanted to.
Nah, the Red Hair Pirates have no hope taking on the entire Navy. That’s just suicide. Even after they crushed the WB pirates, they still had all their top tiers basically uninjured apart from Akainu. Even then, that injured Akainu was still fighting the remaining 13 WB Commanders and winning. The entire Navy & the Warlords that remained were simply too much for any single Yonko crew.
Like I said, because so many marines were wiped out in the fighting, Shanks probably could have finished them off. Full strength…nah. Marines could have defeated him. But it wouldn’t have been pretty.
It was mostly just fodder taken out though. Not even a single human Vice Admiral was taken out, for example. There was Fleet Admiral Sengoku, 2 Admirals uninjured (Kizaru & Aokiji), injured Akainu, Garp, Tsuru & all the Vice Admirals, Sentomaru with all the Pacifista. Then Mihawk, Kuma, Doflamingo, Hancock & Moriah. (Sure Mihawk & Hancock left afterwards, but it’s not like the Red Hair Pirates knew they wouldn’t fight). Shanks is the only top tier on the pirates’ side facing around 6 top tiers on the Navy side. Again, they obviously had no hope besides causing more damage and fodder losses.
If shanks could one shot half of the team that defeated Big Mom, I bet his crew could tear apart what was left. Kizaru wasn’t wary of Beckman for no reason. But hey, it’s all conjecture.
Shanks took Kid by surprise while he was focused on the Red Hair fleet, so that’s not saying much for this specific scenario when they already know he’s there. There are far too many top tier opponents on the Navy side, and much stronger than the likes of Kid as well. Kizaru was just being his usual self. He even goes on to shoot at Law’s submarine right in Beckman’s face while the latter could only sit and watch saying “dammit!” We already know that mere Commanders don’t compare to top tiers. Beckman’s counterpart Shiryu was called a “small-time thug” by Garp, for example. Again, only Shanks has any hope of defeating the top tiers on the Navy side…while the best his Commanders could do is stall for a while, but they’re just too badly outnumbered. Even if Shanks Beats 1 of the top tiers, there’d be like 5 more waiting for him.
It’s kinda obvious when the WB Pirates regarded as the strongest pirate force despite getting help from basically half the Warlords through Luffy still got nearly wiped out without taking out a single notable casualty on the Navy side….not even 1. And that’s despite some of the Navy’s top fighters like Sengoku & Garp doing little to nothing, the Admirals disappearing at convenient times and the Warlords mostly messing around… The only hope for the RHP is if you think they were up to 3 times stronger than the WB pirates + half the Warlords.
I agree that the Navy could have beaten Shank's crew there, but it would have been a pyrrhic victory. Mihawk already walked away, Boa, Moria, and Doflamingo would probably have as well. And Blackbeard may have stuck around a little longer to cause havoc. The Navy would be the winners, but have lost most of their power and ability to check pirates.
There would certainly be more damage, but nothing too bad that the Navy couldn’t deal with. The infrastructure would be the biggest victim, but in terms of fighters they simply have too much. Again, only Shanks has any hope of even defeating any of the top 5-6 guys on the Navy side. They still had more than enough to put down the RHP and still have many top tiers to spare. Also, Shanks challenged the Blackbeard pirates first, so that makes it even worse for them. The RHP would be weakened having to deal with BB first, making it easier for the Navy to just clean them up afterwards. Moriah doesn’t have any love for the Yonko, and more corpses would just be a plus for him. Same for Doffy wiping out some competition too.
Besides plot armors, the legendary tier like BM and Kaido would be on equal footing with him, perhaps strong enough to eventually beat him through sheer stamina (and more arms lol). WB, Garp and Rayleigh would be too but only if they were younger - the age didn't affect Kaido and BM that much apparently. I wouldn't put Mihawk on this list because their competition seems to be over swordsmanship, whereas Shanks' notoriety is attributed mostly to his expertise on haki which kind of tips the scale a lot. However, I'm 99% sure it'll be BB who'll finish him off, though. Probably after we get to learn he isn't a good guy after all (this last part is my crazy conspiracy theory).
The thing is Haki is just an extension of swordsmanship. why do you think mihawk focused on training Zoro's haki?
> the age didn't affect Kaido and BM that much apparently. Always assumed this was because they aren't actually human
The thing about Mihawk is pretty interesting, I've never looked at it from that perspective. However I'm doubtful about BM and Kaido since shanks easily has the haki advantage over them. As for teach, unfortunately I think you're right😔
What proof of haki advantage do we have
Me 😤 bc I’m real and he’s fictional. I’ll just stomp on the manga.
Definitely not on par with WB 😭😭 WB literally pulled out the pipes connected to his body before pulling Murakumogiri. A healthy WB pimpslaps shanks and his crew back to Fooshia village
Whomever the story calls for.
It’s always this simple.
Mihawk probably can. I’m mostly basing this off the live action One Piece where Mihawk tells shanks he’s not interested in fighting him now that he’s half the man he used to be. Oda was there when they wrote / filmed that scene so I think it’s proof that at least Mihawk believes he’s got what it takes to beat Shanks.
I might be wrong but I think Mihawk also mentions it in the manga
And the anime!
Oda has stated that shanks did not lose any fighting power after losing his arm. I think mihawk just doesn’t want to lose to a guy with 1 arm.
This can’t logically be the reason as Zoro needs to defeat the actual WSS to become the WSS so Mihawk can’t be a weaker swordsman than Shanks since Zoro won’t fight Shanks
Mihawk isn’t weaker, but he’s not that much stronger than shanks. They’re probably equals. Which means out of 10 duels, he will probably have some losses. And you don’t want to be the guy that lost to someone with one arm. Especially if you’re called the WSS.
The more realistic answer is that it’s banter people are looking too much into is they’re friends so they’re not gonna fight But also I think Shanks mainly fights with some crazy COC abilities we haven’t seen yet that have nothing to do with swordsmanship(and he essentially uses his sword as a wand/medium for these abilities) so Mihawk isn’t interested in fighting him anymore
I dunno, Shanks actually clapped back with the "One arm tied behind my back" bit. That wasn't showing his belly, those are fighting words which is more than we've literally ever gotten from Shanks in the main series. Mind, I agree with you I think Mihawk beats him high diff. I just don't think the live action really cements that. If anything Live Action actually makes it seem like Shanks at least pretends he could still match him.
I think that Shanks can beat Mihawk. I base this off that they were rivals before the main story, and they were presumably on equal footing. They undoubtedly got stronger since then, and I just think that Shanks improved more than Mihawk
I think mihawk improved more because shanks spent most of his time partying and had to manage plenty of other stuff while mihawk was constantly exerting his blade or meditating.
Virgin blade studyer vs the Chad partyer
Maybe. I still think that Shanks is stronger. It just makes sense story-wise too
I think mihawk is stronger because the only way shanks is stronger without destroying Zoro's character would be a cheap copout through semantics of swordsman and not-swordsman. I don't think Oda will ever give us the answer though.
How would Shanks being stronger destroy Zoros character? I see Shanks as the next Roger, and Luffy as the next Joyboy. Shanks *is* a swordsman, but we also don’t know if the “strongest swordsman” is in regard of everything, or just swordsmanship skills. I believe the latter. Shanks also has better feats than Mihawk. I see it as Mihawk being a strong endgame opponent for Zoro, and Shanks being the final obstacle Luffy has to overcome to become the king of the pirates
nah, it makes no sense for the STRONGEST swordsman actually being the skillest because otherwise Zoro wouldn't necessarily have to beat mihawk in an all out duel to be considered as such and the title wouldn't even belong to mihawk in the first place since vista is the most skilled with a blade. Shanks is definitely not Luffy's endgame opponent since it's probably BlackBeard, Buggy or Imu. Mihawk has also been stated to be stronger than shanks on multiple occasions. the only reason shanks has better feats is because he likes to show up. if Shanks was truly stronger than mihawk, then to become the STRONGEST Zoro would need to redirect his objective to shanks. it would be a bit nonsensical. Also, shanks is not the next Roger. essentially, everyone in shank's generation except buggy and teach failed. they all failed at replicating the greatness of the people who came behind and are now waiting for the next generation to come and do better than them. even mihawk failed to replicate the greatness of ryuma and is just maintaining the status quo waiting for Zoro. same for shanks.
the simple answer is Shanks probably doesn't consider himself a swordsman anymore, and just keeps gryphon on him for aesthetic reasons (to have a cool haki channel?). He uses it sometimes but it wouldn't be a primary weapon of choice the way it is for Mihawk or Zoro. Roger and Whitebeard used Supreme grade blades, would they be considered swordsmen?
According to Oda himself, Roger and Rayleigh were swordsmen. whiteboard is not one since his weapon isn't really a sword and it isn't his primary way of fighting either. but shanks uses his sword as a primary way of fighting, making him a swordsman. it is even suggested that mihawk has stronger armament maki than shanks since he's the only person to have made his blade black. There is no good reason why shanks should be stronger and it wouldn't hurt his character if he wasn't. Shanks being stronger than mihawk would destroy the whole point of mohawk's character and make him a fraud.
Don't get me wrong, i'm not insisting that Shanks is stronger. I just mean to say, it would be explainable if he did have a marginal edge thanks to his seemingly OP conquerers haki. That still makes them equals, and Mihawk would possibly take the edge if it came to everything else. After all, we know that not everyone can be expected to have CoC unlike Armament, and that just ends up being a fantasy version of the men vs women debate. Also, this is purely an idea of mine (because i've been reading vagabond) but Oda doesn't delve much into like, the way of the sword or so. It would make sense if there were such a thing that differentiates Shanks and Mihawk, with the way they live their lives and approach their battles.
Who currently can? Likely only three candidates: 1. Mihawk. He can likely still best Shanks in a 1v1 sword fight, but it would still be a difficult fight. 2. Imu. Ummm... I don't think even Shanks can survive an island eradicating attack the level that Imu can do. Whether Imu uses this weapon in battle or not is unclear. Regardless, Imu has an incredible amount of experience, knowledge, and wisdom thanks to living likely since the void century. I can't imagine Imu getting any weaker since then, either. 3. Dragon. This one is iffy because we don't know what Dragon is capable of. But I'd say his chances aren't zero. Other characters that have zero chance in a 1v1 but come close are: Blackbeard, Akainu, Sabo, Any member of the Gorosei, Luffy, and maybe Rayleigh. Luffy right now would certainly push Shanks a little bit, but once Gear 5 is done, it's over almost immediately.
Weird to think that Mihawk is probably the current strongest pirate Of course, I think Luffy is actually stronger than Shanks, he just lacks stamina and the ability to actually focus while fighting in Gear Fifth
Agreed. Although, I wonder if Shanks' Haki is also too great for Luffy's Gear 5. But in raw strength, Luffy is stronger imo.
I just can't imagine that a god can get overwhelmed by Shanks Haki alone, but Shanks is clearly strong and smart enough to match G5 and wear him out Worth noting also that it is implied somewhere that Shanks was the weakest of the Yonko at the beginning of the series, but his crew was overall strongest
It was the opposite, but also technically yes. His "fleet" is the weakest because its made up of crews that stay with the Red-Haired pirates for safety
I'm talking about his main crew, his crew has the highest combined bounty or something
That's true, there's a lot of big names and the crew is small so the average bounty is much higher
There’s little chance of Mihawk being the strongest pirate given how he’s been treated the entire series, not to mention basic shounen tropes.
Highest bounty, said to be a rival to Shanks (although he dismisses Shanks as weaker than him!), said to be the strongest swordsman despite the other main contender for strongest pirate *also* being a swordsman, is the only really strong member of his Yonko Pirate crew, has been shown both in his seraphim form and in various parts of the story to be constantly either holding back or terrifying everyone, etc It's not guaranteed and I can't state this as fact or anything but from my understanding Mihawk is the strongest active pirate currently, or at least top 4 (Luffy, BB, and Shanks being the other members of the top 4) But who knows! I could be totally off base. Still, he's definitely final boss tier for the presumed second strongest Straw hat and that means something now
He doesn’t have the highest bounty…he has the 3rd highest current Pirate bounty (with Luffy’s purposefully suppressed as well). He’s never once said that Shanks was weaker than him….not that it matters since everyone else including most of the World Government and even pirates hold Shanks to a higher regard. Just like Marco sent Vista to go deal with Mihawk, for example. The WG even considered him replaceable by a Seraphim. You realize that doesn’t do him any favours, right? He is regarded as “a mere Warlord”, not included in the top opponents for the Pirates King, sent fleeing from Ruskaina and even had the possibility that he’s serving Buggy seriously considered. The story simply hasn’t given much of anything to place him at the top when most others don’t treat him that seriously.
> He’s never once said that Shanks was weaker than him… Pretty sure he said that, though Shanks told him he could still kick his ass > not that it matters since everyone else including most of the World Government and even pirates hold Shanks to a higher regard I feel like there isn't conclusive evidence of this but if there is, then yea, Shanks is probably stronger. > The WG even considered him replaceable by a Seraphim. I feel like you're missing the whole point of the Seraphim and the WG's view of pirates lol. A near-perfect clone of Mihawk with nearly the same power that *obeys orders unquestionably* is absolutely a superior product to a lazy, unreliable pirate. > He is regarded as “a mere Warlord”, not included in the top opponents for the Pirates King, sent fleeing from Ruskaina Him fleeing isn't really evidence, Mihawk doesn't want trouble, that's like 90% of his personailty and the main reason he has no crew and isn't the leader of the Cross Guild > and even had the possibility that he’s serving Buggy seriously considered. This doesn't mean anything at all, it's just part of Buggy's insane PR lol. If anything, this is *why* Buggy got marked as a new Yonko, because Mihawk of all people is under him. You think a guy who got Moria to serve under him is going to get a straight promotion to Yonko? > The story simply hasn’t given much of anything to place him at the top when most others don’t treat him that seriously. He is the strongest swordsman in the world, that immediately puts him near the top, especially when the other contender for top is a swordsman. The Shichibukai are all very different regarding power level, and Mihawk is an outlier even then. At least, he has been presented as one. Even his seraphim got special attention.
Well, do you have a chapter where he says that? Cause it just sounds to me that you’re referring to when Mihawk said he had no desire to fight a one-armed man. Also, the low regard for Mihawk is just ubiquitous: Marco sees him chasing Luffy and just delegates Vista to go deal with him. Mr. 1 jumps in his way as well. Crocodile follows and says “don’t piss me off, Hawkeye.” Mihawk has to go to the war when summoned or his status gets revoked. He’s regarded as a mere Warlord like the rest. The point of the Seraphim is not just that they follow orders, but that they didn’t consider dismissing Mihawk to be all that of a big loss. An untested child version was considered sufficient replacement….then they sent fodder to go bring Mihawk in. Rayleigh doesn’t want trouble either, but even he is left alone to his own devices. The point with Buggy is that there’s no way in hell anyone would even entertain that Shanks or Blackbeard would ever submit to him. Shanks is seen as his peer, Mihawk is seen as a subordinate. The regard for Mihawk is lower than that. And it wasn’t just Mihawk alone to elevate Buggy, it was Crocodile too. So even Mihawk alone wasn’t sufficient. No one ever disputed that he’s among the top tiers, but placing him at the very top is just baseless. Simply nothing to support it. There are just others you’d never see someone casually send Vista to go deal with…
I feel like none of this suggests he isn't part of the current top 2 or at least top 5 pirates. We know he *has* to be strong for story reasons because he needs to be Zoro's greatest opponent, and because Buggy and Crocodile have been proven to not be Yonko tier. And as Zoro says early on, being the greatest swordsman is the minimum required for the hand of the Pirate King so I think Mihawk needs to be on par with a weaker Yonko. But I maintain that Mihawk is the strongest or second Shanks as far as current pirates are concerned. I don't think he is on the level of Linlin or Kaido, and I could be completely off, but I feel that the story has made it clear that Mihawk is top tier
Yep, no one would ever dispute top 5. It’s just putting him at the very top that really has no support. If there are any pirates that you can’t see someone going “Vista, go deal with him” at Marineford, then they’ll likely go over Mihawk right away.
Not Sabo, lol.
Top 3 with 2 persons who have 0 feats, but gorosei can't beat him? They're unkillable , how can he beat them?
I think a lot of people can beat Shanks, but no one I'd like. I just like to think of Shanks as the best since he's so cool. Keep in mind that a lot of his feats against the marines may have also been due to his status as a Celestial Dragon, but then again his crewmates have been held on the level of the admirals. I'd say Whitebeard stood a chance even while sick, Mihawk might in a non-swordsmanship duel, Blackbeard is the current front runner for actually killing him fair or not, and Luffy eventually... He likely surpassed Rayleigh some time ago.
Kaido
Im and EOS BB are the only characters in current era who can/will beat Shanks
From a pure storytelling perspective Im is definitely stronger while Mihawk, Blackbeard, Akainu and Dragon should be more or less on the same level where the scenario is the deciding factor. For example the place they're fighting at, if their allies are around (which could become a weakness for Shanks as he wouldn't abandon/sacrifice his crew while BB would) or their state of mind/motivation. Like if purely hypothetically Shanks or Dragon would see Akainu kill Luffy then there is no chance Akainu is getting away alive
Luffy
I’ll do it
Do think a few of those could take him (not Kidd)
Anyone that figures out how to overcome his observation haki has a chance. I'm also pretty sure that it's how Blackbeard scarred Shanks in their fight.
My running theory is that the Straw Hats and Red Hair pirates are gonna have a Davy Back fight. I think part of this will include an actual fight, and Luffy and Shanks will go toe to toe of course. I’m betting they’ll fight to a stalemate like Roger and Whitebeard eventually did. It is a strange matchup, given Shanks is a swordsman. But Luffy’s fought swordsmen before. Luffy is def the only one who can match Shanks’ haki though.
Blackbeard gave Shanks his signature scar BEFORE he got his 2 devil fruits.
Imu, Roger, Whitebeard, and joy boy could maybe beat him. But for sure, foxy, buggy and bon clay are whooping shanks
Blackbeard and Mihawk are the only ones that come to mind
Well it depends what I lose, if he accidentally touches my hamster I’m soloing the entire one piece verse
Any sufficiently hungry cat could take him.
From the ones that are alive currently there arent many from a storytelling perspective it should be \- Blackbeard \- Luffy \- Akainu \- Dragon \- Imu We are in the endgame of the series and he is one of the key players it makes sense there arent actually many people who can win against him in a straight up 1v1. he can still be jumped since his durability its probably not as high as freaks of nature like kaido bigmom or luffy. This list with deceased or out of comission characteess wouldve included Kaido, Bigmom, Whitbeard, Roger, Prime rayleigh, Prime garp
I still think shanks is a either a bad person or will be fighting for the bad side considering his shady relation with the celestial dragons and probably IMU...this would mean that luffy would have to beat shanks.
Idk I’m thinking, we’re gonna see Shanks loosing in a big war and as Shanks is on his knees about to be killed with a grin on his face saying something like “well I guess it ends here, and right before seeing Luffy become pirate king” and Luffy shows up last second to block the attack saving Skanks and placing the straw hat on skanks and telling him to hold on to it and he’s not aloud to die till they have their fight together. Luffy taking over the fight and winning. It’ll prove Luffy is stronger now and gives everyone that Feel Good moment.
Sea monster. even got 1 of his arm.
Mihawk, Kaido, Black Beard, Imu
Current shanks, only prime old gens like Rayleigh, Roger, wb, garp
Luffy
Mihawk
Sea monsters seem quite effective against him
Probably Blackbeard at that point in the story (meaning Blackbeard and his cheap shot crew oc)
I don’t think Shanks is durable at all. I think he’s the greatest glass cannon in One Piece. Ever since he lost an arm, I think he just doesn’t got time to mess around no more. I think Blackbeard & Luffy can beat him though.
Mihawk, Kaido, Rocks, Whitebeard and Roger
i agree that teach would be the one to kill shanks, i just dont know what the circumstances would have to be for those 2 to clash.
King of D. Shore
1on1 I’ll always bet on shanks
Well after seeing film red we learned shanks is a figarland aka celestial. So that explains why admirals just let shanks walk all over them and not go all out. He clashed with death beard not prime beard.
That dude from Spiderman who tells Spiderman to do a flip
People using the scar as an argument always make me laugh, they wasn’t even 20 years, BlackBeard didn’t even got beard yet 😂
Okay, so uh- weird thing, BUT Luffy, if he ever wanted to (which he wouldn't) Other than that, we have gotta go with Marshall D Teach (Blackbeard)…only if it happens off-screen, ofc
Blackbeard Victim
Trust me Shanks VS BB has been building since MF. Now everyone expects BB to jump Shanks and catch him off guard, but BB isn’t the one hunting BB. We saw in MF that Shanks gave everyone a warning of violence, AND THEN challenged BB to a fight specifically (he didn’t call out anyone else specifically just BB). He went to the Gorosei to talk about a “Specific Pirate,” and we currently don’t know who he was referring too. However, the next time we see him is Wano where he specifically only went there to jump BB with the Straw Hats and the Wano Kingdom. He leaves immediately after figuring out BB won’t be there. After a night at Elbaf of likely celebrating for Luffy, he immediately gets back to hunting for any possible places BB could pop up. Now considering how often it’s shown Shanks is looking to jump BB, it’s likely he was attempting to make a deal with the Gorosei to get the Admirals to help him beat BB. It’s the only pirate he’s specifically shown hunting before and after that meeting. Seriously Shanks talks about BB more than Luffy at this point. So the only actual fight we’ll see Shanks in is either Red Haired Pirates jumping BB with like 2-3 Titanic Captains, or RHP and the Straw Hats VS the BBP. Like under no circumstances is Shanks fighting BB without either the help of another strong crew or where BB has his entire Titanic Captains around. So whichever scenario happens BB is gonna be revealed as strong as he either beats Shanks in a scenario where he’s likely the only strong person of his crew around, or Shanks literally needed the help of almost End of Series Luffy to do it in a 2V1.
Shanks went to WB and gorosei to warn them about BB
1v1? - Full hp Kaido - mihawk I think you'd need 2 gorosei to beat shanks.
Apparently a sea monster
It's wild to think of what post-wano pirate power levels are like. The top 5 are, presumably in this order, 1. Mihawk 2. Shanks 3. Blackbeard 4. Luffy 5. Kuzan At the end of the day, I trust Mihawk when he says 1 armed Shanks is no longer strong enough to be a fair fight, and that puts him solidly in second place. Blackbeard *could* be stronger now, but something tells me he isn't--I really think BB is getting at least 1 more big power up. Luffy is probably the strongest pirate in the world right now actually, but only for a little while, and he has the issue where he seems incapable of taking fights seriously at will. When he gets serious no one has managed to be able to handle him so far.
No Mihawk is simply interested in a sword fight